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Speaker 1: You're listening to a mother Mia podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges

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Speaker 2: I'm Grace Rubray. This is mumam is twice daily news

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Speaker 2: podcast The Quickie. When it comes to pain, women are

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Speaker 2: often dismissed or told they're being dramatic, especially when that

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Speaker 2: pain is period related. But it's not just the pain

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Speaker 2: that's silenced. Periods themselves are still stigmatized. So to challenge

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Speaker 2: that and open up the conversation that's long overdue, we

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Speaker 2: decided to put men's pain tolerance to the test. Plus,

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Speaker 2: are you worried about how to keep your kids safe

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Speaker 2: on their phones without totally invading their privacy? Finding that

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Speaker 2: balance between protection and trust can feel impossible, but experts

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Speaker 2: say there are three simple phone settings that can make

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Speaker 2: a big difference Before we get there. Here's Claire Murphy

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Speaker 2: with the latest from The Quickie newsroom for Wednesday, April

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Speaker 1: Thanks Grace, Opposition leader Peter Dutton was narrowly declared the

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Speaker 1: winner of the third Leader's debate. Overnight, Prime Minister anthen

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Speaker 1: Albinezi emphasize the need for stability following the uncertainty from

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Speaker 1: US President Donald Trump's policies that are impacting the world,

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Speaker 1: including a slew of tariffs that have seen the global

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Speaker 1: stock market take a plunge and many Australian businesses impacted,

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Speaker 1: saying complacency and the uncertain world that we inherit is

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Speaker 1: the last time where you'd want to take a risk.

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Speaker 1: Mister Dutton doubled down on the coalition's plan to follow

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Speaker 1: in Trump's footsteps with a policy to crack down on

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Speaker 1: government spending waste, saying they'll look at the budget and

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Speaker 1: see where the government is wasting money. Labour unvalued that

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Speaker 1: they will set aside seventy eight million dollars to fast

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Speaker 1: track training for six thousand tradees to help build homes,

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Speaker 1: Treasurer Jim Chalmers saying they are tackling the housing shortage

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Speaker 1: from every responsible angle to build more homes more quickly

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Speaker 1: and in all parts of Australia. Labour has also promised

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Speaker 1: to help protect women from financial abuse, saying they'll prevent

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Speaker 1: domestic violence perpetrators from from using the tax and corporate

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Speaker 1: systems to create debts in their victim's name, making them

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Speaker 1: also look into stopping a coercive control perpetrator from receiving

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Speaker 1: a victim's superanuation after death. They've also committed eight point

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Speaker 1: six million dollars to boost domestic violence perpetrator responses such

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Speaker 1: as electronic monitoring and ankle bracelets, and intensive behavioral change programs.

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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton and the Coalition have pledged to spend twenty

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Speaker 1: Dutton says the money would go towards reinstating a fourth

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Speaker 1: Joint Strike Fighter squadron, but didn't specify where the rest

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Speaker 1: Albanizi will be campaigning in Sydney today while mister Dutton

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Speaker 1: will head to Perth. A four point six magnitude earthquake

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Speaker 1: recorded it as a five point one magnitude quake at

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Speaker 1: a shallow depth of around ten kilometers. There were no

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Speaker 1: immediate reports of damage, but more than two thousand, six

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Speaker 1: website by four am. The Joint Australian Tsunami Warning Center

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Speaker 1: islands or territories. The Pope will lay in state from

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Speaker 1: today for Catholics to visit and pay their final respects

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Speaker 1: The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, the body

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, why are women's pain levels so often

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Speaker 3: It's normal, you're being dramatic. Just go on birth control,

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Speaker 2: Pery, These were the dismissive responses she heard for two

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Speaker 2: decades or struggling with what would eventually be diagnosed as endometriosis.

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Speaker 2: Like many of the one in nine Australian women living

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Speaker 2: Told that the excruciating pain that left her bed ridden

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Speaker 2: Mamma Maya decided to test men's pain tolerance using simulators

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Speaker 2: that replicate periods and endometriosis pain. The results were revealing.

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Speaker 3: Ah, help me, my god, this has pain.

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Speaker 1: We're superior. Call in ages agoic too.

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Speaker 2: Some men were surprisingly empathetic they'd witnessed their partners struggle

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Speaker 3: Torture.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, just give me a minute or an apaturial

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Speaker 3: Imagine you're going through what you're going through right now,

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Speaker 2: Not that bad. But perhaps the most interesting finding was

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Speaker 2: who menstraight, and that drive is at the heart of

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Speaker 2: everything she does. Her latest venture as the owner of Awa,

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Speaker 2: It's a mission to dismantle a stigma that somehow in

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Speaker 2: Despite being a natural, regular, biological function experienced by half

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Speaker 3: So essentially, Awa was founded by a Maudi woman in

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Speaker 3: company was to be able to reindigenize periods, so to

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Speaker 2: When there is so much conversation and there is so

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Speaker 2: And that idea of shame or anxiety around periods is

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Speaker 3: and now you have these boxers with this name on it.

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Speaker 2: Right now, across Australia, parents are letting their kids indulge

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Speaker 4: Okay, So the first basic step is that you need

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Speaker 4: official unofficial title Nudity Blocker. It's like a digital bodyguard,

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Speaker 2: So there's really so many safeguards in place before that

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Speaker 4: I think as parents, one of the scariest things is

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Speaker 2: It's picking up flesh of some kind. There's an ask

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent? You know, I am a parent of

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Speaker 2: In these conversations, are other parents worried about controlling too

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Speaker 4: Definitely. I think people grapple with their kids right to

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Speaker 2: How do you start that conversation with your kids to say,

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Speaker 4: It's all about communicating right from before getting the device.

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Speaker 4: I've also heard advice which I think is good that

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Speaker 2: Just one for the technologically illiterate parents that might be listening.

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Speaker 2: Are these safeguards easy to install and manage? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Because I am not a techie person, But that's why

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Speaker 4: I wrote this article. It's literally got a step by

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The Quickie is produced by me Grace Rubray

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