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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to MoMA Mia out Loud. It's what

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Speaker 3: women are actually talking about on Friday, the twenty sixth

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Speaker 3: of September. My name is hollyween Wright.

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Speaker 1: I am Jesse Stevens and I'm em Vernon.

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Speaker 3: And here's what's made our agenda for today. Forget high Jewelry,

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Speaker 3: unlimited edition La boo boos, the status Simple We're all

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Speaker 3: Chasing is our very own Netflix documentary from Charlie Sheen

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Speaker 3: to Bonnie Blue to Victoria Beckham. Everybody gets on now

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Speaker 3: and we unpack why.

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Speaker 1: Plus what do you do at night?

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Speaker 4: It's a question in the out Louders Facebook group we

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Speaker 4: cannot stop thinking about.

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Speaker 2: And some trashy things to watch and some smart things

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Speaker 3: It is our weekly raggers.

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Speaker 4: And some news to end today's show. If you think

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Speaker 4: you've guessed it, I bet you haven't.

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Speaker 2: But first, in case you missed it, there are two

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Speaker 2: fashion trends that I'm making a comeback, and I have

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Speaker 2: to let both of you know so you don't get

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Speaker 2: left behind.

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Speaker 1: You know you know we're not across it.

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Speaker 2: So the first one I want to talk about is eyeshadow.

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Speaker 2: Have you noticed eyeshadow went missing for a few years.

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Speaker 3: Jesse was upset about it.

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Speaker 4: I was really upset. So I have so do um.

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Speaker 4: We have real estate. We have real estate.

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Speaker 3: A lot of eyelids have a lot of eye, and

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Speaker 3: some of us eyelids have been retreating to the back

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Speaker 3: of our head for a while, like a shy toddler

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Speaker 4: I always think I just look a bit weird, a

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Speaker 4: little bit. Some might say googly if I don't have

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Speaker 4: eyeshadow on. So I mastered the art of it when

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Speaker 4: I was, you know, fifteen, and on YouTube you're very good,

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Speaker 4: and then the world decides that it's no longer in.

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Speaker 3: It's that kind of part of that clean girl thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was a cranirl no makeup, no makeup.

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Speaker 2: Even though when I was doing the makeup no makeup trend,

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Speaker 2: I realized there was way more effort than doing a

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Speaker 4: I just look on well and a slip back bunn

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Speaker 4: has never ever suited me. So are you telling me

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Speaker 2: So I shadow went away for a few years, and

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Speaker 2: that's mainly because runways weren't doing models with a lot

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Speaker 2: of makeup. They were doing no eye shadow. But this

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Speaker 2: year it's been reported that New York Fashion Week all

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Speaker 2: the models are wearing eyeshadow again, which means that we're

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Speaker 2: gonna start wearing eyeshadow again, which is great for my pigmentation.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I need my eye shadow.

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Speaker 4: I have so many eye shadow palettes that have been

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Speaker 3: And they're still good. Like I've been using my eyeshadow

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Speaker 3: palette from like twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they never go off, so.

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Speaker 3: True and doctors income I know me as I'm recovering

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Speaker 3: from a star right now, I need like, you know,

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Speaker 3: Kim Kardashian must have designed this like a thing to

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Speaker 3: hold my eyelids up. I'm sure there are because as

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Speaker 3: you get older and your eyes get more hooded, and

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Speaker 3: some people always have hooded eyes. And of course, but like,

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Speaker 3: there are lots of makeup tutorials about how to put

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Speaker 3: eyeshadow when you basically eyelids have retreated, but they all

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Speaker 3: basically involve this, so it's like you need.

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Speaker 2: There is tape though, so like some people on the side, yeah, don't.

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Speaker 3: She wears it all the time, and she.

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Speaker 2: Wears it like out in about where's You're meant to

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Speaker 2: wear it while you do your makeup and then you're

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Speaker 2: meant to like blend it in and hide it.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, I kind.

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Speaker 3: Of love that. See.

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Speaker 1: I reckonhooded eyes though.

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Speaker 4: You only need a tiny little bit to make a

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Speaker 1: It's quite a sixties look. It's quite euphorios. Not the age.

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Speaker 3: Got it taking notes Roger that what else?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so there is another trend that's making a comeback

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Speaker 3: To be very excited about this. I'm across this.

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Speaker 2: So this was outlined by TikToker named the Balders Bitch,

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Speaker 5: Girl, I need you to be getting on this. Britis

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Speaker 5: Boe just posted pictures from a dinner they did for

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Speaker 5: London Fashion Week and ladies get ready. Jean's in a

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Speaker 5: not just that, No, it's jeez, it's a nice top

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Speaker 5: and it's a pointy heel. Ah, the golden age of

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Speaker 5: British fashion is back. You can be casual from the

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Speaker 5: bum down and the tits can still be glitter ring.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy for you.

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Speaker 5: I know the world's going to hell and a handbasket,

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Speaker 5: but at least we've got jeans in a nice top.

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Speaker 3: Some of us never let this guy. I'll just say

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Speaker 3: my dms blew up with this video. It tells me

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Speaker 3: get loads of dms on Instagram when David Beckham does

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Speaker 3: anything anything take is in his garden, lots and lots

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Speaker 3: and lots, a little bit of brad pit, but jeans

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Speaker 3: in a nice top.

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Speaker 4: Action Just but Holly, I've said this before, I'll say

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Speaker 4: it again. What top, because I just feel like I

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Speaker 4: don't know what top? And some of these tops, I

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Speaker 4: would argue in this TikTok video not a nice.

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Speaker 3: Talk, Okay.

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Speaker 2: A nice top is classified as something that's a tiny

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Speaker 3: In the going out top. You've got to have a

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Speaker 3: going out top, right, It's like a silk it might

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Speaker 3: be sleeveless if you can do that kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: It might be strapless. If you can do that kind

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Speaker 3: then you can wear the same jeans that you would

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Speaker 3: wear just with a T shirt. The pointy pump is

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Speaker 3: very exciting development because this is something we were doing

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Speaker 1: You have pointy pup.

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of points of pumps, and again

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Speaker 3: I haven't really let them go, which just goes to

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Speaker 3: again before you know I missed it.

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Speaker 2: I went clubbing recently and I felt so out of

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Speaker 3: People wearing jeans and the nice people.

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Speaker 2: Were wearing jeans, like the younger girls were wearing jean Firstly,

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Speaker 3: Baggy jeans, skinny jeans. What kind of jeans are with

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Speaker 2: And the top was either a white or black top,

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Speaker 1: It's quite nineties that long.

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Speaker 2: I'm all the tops, tiny teeny tiny tops, baggy jeans

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Speaker 2: and like a white sneaker.

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Speaker 1: And what were you wearing?

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Speaker 3: It's embarrassing. I was wearing a little.

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Speaker 6: Black dress, arrogable little dress usually whatever, a little black

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Speaker 3: I think that I looked geriatric. It was bad. I

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Speaker 3: People thought I was that miserable cow that never smiled

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Speaker 3: that I do. Don't be shocked.

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Speaker 7: How do I present this with any class?

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Speaker 5: I think we're past that.

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Speaker 2: We're past that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, when you got a lot of shame about a

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Speaker 7: lot of stuff, shame, shame is suffocating. I lit the fuse,

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Speaker 4: You just listened to snippets from the Victoria Beckham documentary

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Speaker 4: trailer and the Charlie Sheen documentary trailer. Holly, are you

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Speaker 4: aware that there's a new documentary coming to Netflix.

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Speaker 3: I have all the alarms.

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Speaker 1: About our good friend VICKI about.

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Speaker 3: Vicky Beckham, who I just want it on the record.

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Speaker 3: I've never met Victoria Beckham, which is one of the

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Speaker 3: who has ever met Victoria Beckham says she is a

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Speaker 3: complete vibe. She's fine, funny, apparently very funny, very self

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Speaker 3: deprecating and funny. Well is that a surprise? Well, the

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Speaker 3: as it turns out, as we're all about to find out.

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Speaker 3: But why, Jesse, why are we about to find out?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 4: So, the celebrity documentary you may have noticed, is the

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Speaker 3: Which is what documentaries are meant to be.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what documentaries are meant to be.

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Speaker 3: So, but there's a trick.

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Speaker 1: There's a trick.

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Speaker 4: Last week we spoke about aka Charlie Sheen. Have you

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Speaker 3: I've watched it. I loved it. But it was very

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Speaker 3: clearly made by Charlie she Yes.

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Speaker 4: So it's a three part series on the actor who

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Speaker 4: has a long and complicated history with drag and alcohol abuse,

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Speaker 4: not to mention the women and children who bought the

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Speaker 1: And he spoke about that as little or of as

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Speaker 4: It skirted over the parts that he didn't want to

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Speaker 4: delve into. So did he assault his ex wife?

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Speaker 1: Did he want to talk too much about what happened

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Speaker 4: But instead he delivered us the revelations he felt comfortable with.

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Speaker 4: So one of the headlines was that he has engaged

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Speaker 4: in sex with other men. He is now sober, his

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Speaker 4: son lives with him, he's on good terms with those

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Speaker 4: ex'es and that's all that matters.

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Speaker 7: Yea.

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Speaker 3: And crucially the thing is is that one of the

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Speaker 3: tricks of these kind of docos as we're going to

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Speaker 3: get into, which is that they look on the surface

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Speaker 3: because they're not entirely glowing like you know, you still

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Speaker 3: found out about all Charlie Sheen's addiction to sex workers

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Speaker 3: and the copious amounts of drugs he was taking, and

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Speaker 3: the fact that he was a terrible father at lots

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Speaker 3: of points, like that's all covered. It's not like the

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Speaker 3: whole thing was like, no, you've got it all wrong.

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Speaker 3: Charlie Sheen had never touched crack, Like it wasn't that.

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Speaker 3: But crucially, everybody involved has Charlie's blessing to be involved, right,

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Speaker 3: so you're kind of going to get a particular picture.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be a hit piss.

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Speaker 4: was that the day after the documentary came out, he

434
00:19:48,061 --> 00:19:51,182
Speaker 4: released a book which has become subsequently a New York

435
00:19:51,182 --> 00:19:54,581
Speaker 4: Times bestseller. So I think because he had disappeared for

436
00:19:54,581 --> 00:19:57,821
Speaker 4: a little while, he needed this reemergence to kind of

437
00:19:57,861 --> 00:20:00,702
Speaker 4: be this big publicity campaign to put Charlie Sheen back

438
00:20:00,702 --> 00:20:04,061
Speaker 4: in the spotlight. Buy my book, come to my book tour,

439
00:20:04,141 --> 00:20:07,302
Speaker 4: Bye bye bye. There's money there for him somehow, But

440
00:20:07,381 --> 00:20:09,461
Speaker 4: if you are going to invest in doing a document

441
00:20:10,422 --> 00:20:12,821
Speaker 4: it's like what's in it for you?

442
00:20:12,942 --> 00:20:14,742
Speaker 1: I suppose, like, what are you going to sell?

443
00:20:14,821 --> 00:20:18,222
Speaker 2: That's why I was confused with the Bonnie Blue documentary

444
00:20:18,302 --> 00:20:22,782
Speaker 2: because from what I seen and heard, it's mainly women

445
00:20:23,302 --> 00:20:27,942
Speaker 2: watching the documentary. And I knowed deep down that those

446
00:20:27,982 --> 00:20:29,821
Speaker 2: men who were standing in line to have sex with

447
00:20:29,861 --> 00:20:32,302
Speaker 2: her do not care about a documentary about Bonny Blue.

448
00:20:32,341 --> 00:20:34,061
Speaker 4: Okay, so I have the answer for you because I

449
00:20:34,101 --> 00:20:37,782
Speaker 4: wanted this too, And halfway through that documentary, I went,

450
00:20:38,581 --> 00:20:40,461
Speaker 4: she is going to make so much money off this,

451
00:20:40,621 --> 00:20:43,022
Speaker 4: and the reason why is because her strategy is.

452
00:20:43,581 --> 00:20:44,821
Speaker 1: Piss off the wives.

453
00:20:45,381 --> 00:20:48,661
Speaker 4: Piss off the wives so much that the wives go

454
00:20:48,742 --> 00:20:51,022
Speaker 4: home and bitch to their husbands, and if they bitch

455
00:20:51,061 --> 00:20:54,742
Speaker 4: to their husbands, their husbands google Bonnie Blue and subscribe.

456
00:20:55,182 --> 00:20:58,341
Speaker 1: And so her model is like fame.

457
00:20:58,462 --> 00:20:59,302
Speaker 3: The model is a tag.

458
00:20:59,502 --> 00:21:00,181
Speaker 1: It's just fame.

459
00:21:00,222 --> 00:21:02,582
Speaker 4: And so she posts up to two hundred videos across

460
00:21:02,621 --> 00:21:05,862
Speaker 4: social media every day. Those accounts are getting shut down

461
00:21:05,901 --> 00:21:08,422
Speaker 4: all the time. Only fans remember the petting zoo thing

462
00:21:08,462 --> 00:21:10,141
Speaker 4: that she was going to do, where she was going

463
00:21:10,182 --> 00:21:11,981
Speaker 4: to be in a glass box and let men do

464
00:21:12,061 --> 00:21:14,182
Speaker 4: whatever they want to her and stream it on only

465
00:21:14,222 --> 00:21:17,741
Speaker 4: fans only. Fans went too far, You're off our platform, ye.

466
00:21:18,061 --> 00:21:22,022
Speaker 4: Now her relationship with platforms is interesting because she does

467
00:21:22,101 --> 00:21:24,462
Speaker 4: need the platform as much as they sort of need her.

468
00:21:24,861 --> 00:21:27,581
Speaker 4: So she moves to a different platform, which is named

469
00:21:27,581 --> 00:21:31,421
Speaker 4: in the documentary, it actually shows it's a Channel four documentary,

470
00:21:31,422 --> 00:21:32,222
Speaker 4: which is quite.

471
00:21:32,061 --> 00:21:36,061
Speaker 3: A like relatively prestigious in mainstream the UK.

472
00:21:36,302 --> 00:21:38,861
Speaker 4: And yes there's a documentary maker who we never see,

473
00:21:38,861 --> 00:21:40,462
Speaker 4: but we hear her voice and she says.

474
00:21:40,341 --> 00:21:41,861
Speaker 3: It's a female documentary maker.

475
00:21:41,942 --> 00:21:44,302
Speaker 4: I'm worried about my daughter, my fifteen year old daughter,

476
00:21:44,381 --> 00:21:48,341
Speaker 4: seeing this stuff like Bonnie Blue doesn't care about the

477
00:21:48,381 --> 00:21:51,061
Speaker 4: moral judgment. What's happened is every time you go onto

478
00:21:51,141 --> 00:21:54,661
Speaker 4: Channel four or STAN, which is where it's streaming in Australia,

479
00:21:54,821 --> 00:21:58,142
Speaker 4: you see Bonnie Blue's face. That name goes everywhere, and

480
00:21:58,581 --> 00:22:02,421
Speaker 4: she's making millions of dollars a month as people just

481
00:22:02,581 --> 00:22:05,742
Speaker 4: look her up. And even in that doco you see

482
00:22:05,901 --> 00:22:09,542
Speaker 4: her naked body, you see snippets of some of those videos.

483
00:22:10,422 --> 00:22:12,141
Speaker 1: You understand what content she gives you.

484
00:22:12,462 --> 00:22:16,222
Speaker 4: It was a genius move by Bonnie Blue to agree

485
00:22:16,341 --> 00:22:17,302
Speaker 4: to make this documentary.

486
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Speaker 3: Well, the interesting thing about her and other creators of

487
00:22:20,462 --> 00:22:22,461
Speaker 3: her ilk is that you have to exist on a

488
00:22:22,462 --> 00:22:25,502
Speaker 3: few different planes. So if you follow some of those

489
00:22:25,542 --> 00:22:27,821
Speaker 3: women on Instagram, you wouldn't actually have any idea of

490
00:22:27,821 --> 00:22:30,502
Speaker 3: what they do, Like it'll be there, get ready with me,

491
00:22:30,661 --> 00:22:32,942
Speaker 3: Come get coffee with me before I go to my shoe,

492
00:22:33,222 --> 00:22:34,982
Speaker 3: you know, like it could be any influencer, it could

493
00:22:34,982 --> 00:22:37,502
Speaker 3: be a health influencer. To get to the understanding of

494
00:22:37,542 --> 00:22:40,101
Speaker 3: what they're actually doing and selling, you have to go

495
00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:41,501
Speaker 3: to a place that a lot of the women who

496
00:22:41,542 --> 00:22:43,101
Speaker 3: are looking at that stuff aren't going to go to,

497
00:22:43,302 --> 00:22:45,942
Speaker 3: you know. But it's about fame and attention. The thing

498
00:22:45,942 --> 00:22:48,861
Speaker 3: that's interesting that you raise is whether or not these

499
00:22:48,942 --> 00:22:51,462
Speaker 3: docos are docos and whether or not that matters. That's

500
00:22:51,502 --> 00:22:56,262
Speaker 3: an interesting point, right because really prestigious documentary makers, like

501
00:22:56,422 --> 00:22:59,582
Speaker 3: this very famous guy called Ken Burns, he said, no,

502
00:22:59,621 --> 00:23:01,982
Speaker 3: they're not. He's like, if they're influencing the very fact

503
00:23:02,022 --> 00:23:04,502
Speaker 3: of getting these made, it means certain aspects that you

504
00:23:04,502 --> 00:23:06,941
Speaker 3: don't necessarily want in aren't going to be in their period.

505
00:23:06,982 --> 00:23:08,901
Speaker 3: And that's not the way you do journalism, and it's

506
00:23:08,942 --> 00:23:12,381
Speaker 3: not the way you do history. That is true. But

507
00:23:12,661 --> 00:23:15,022
Speaker 3: so what like, I don't think that anyone is suggesting

508
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:17,941
Speaker 3: that Beckham compares to blackfish. They're saying there should be

509
00:23:17,982 --> 00:23:19,821
Speaker 3: a new term for it because it's not reality TV.

510
00:23:20,262 --> 00:23:24,141
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily documentary making. I think it's just they

511
00:23:24,222 --> 00:23:26,621
Speaker 3: say it's called nonfiction entertainment and that's what it should

512
00:23:26,661 --> 00:23:29,302
Speaker 3: be called, right. But the thing is is there's something

513
00:23:29,341 --> 00:23:31,661
Speaker 3: a bit pearl clutchy. I think about people going, well,

514
00:23:31,702 --> 00:23:33,982
Speaker 3: it's not really a documentary when it actually is letting

515
00:23:34,022 --> 00:23:37,861
Speaker 3: documentary makers make lots of money because Fisher Stephen says

516
00:23:37,982 --> 00:23:40,341
Speaker 3: he learned about the power of celebrity when he made

517
00:23:40,341 --> 00:23:42,502
Speaker 3: a climate change docer and it was his third one,

518
00:23:42,942 --> 00:23:45,622
Speaker 3: and Leonardo DiCaprio appeared in it, not for the whole thing,

519
00:23:45,661 --> 00:23:47,701
Speaker 3: but he was and that was the one, of course,

520
00:23:47,782 --> 00:23:50,901
Speaker 3: that got the streaming deal, that got the distribution, because

521
00:23:50,901 --> 00:23:53,222
Speaker 3: the power of celebrity gets your message out there. And

522
00:23:53,262 --> 00:23:56,102
Speaker 3: he says that since Beckham, his phone just rings constantly

523
00:23:56,141 --> 00:23:57,701
Speaker 3: with celebrity saying we make one of those about me,

524
00:23:57,782 --> 00:23:59,861
Speaker 3: or you make one of those about me. It's not

525
00:23:59,901 --> 00:24:04,182
Speaker 3: necessarily a puff piece. It's somewhere in between. And when

526
00:24:04,182 --> 00:24:06,381
Speaker 3: you think about it, in an age where celebrities and

527
00:24:06,381 --> 00:24:09,262
Speaker 3: powerful people completely own their message. Look at Taylor Swifts

528
00:24:09,262 --> 00:24:12,861
Speaker 3: going on Boyfriend's podcast right to launch her album. Celebrities

529
00:24:12,901 --> 00:24:15,382
Speaker 3: have learned and are used to owning their message through

530
00:24:15,381 --> 00:24:19,102
Speaker 3: social media. Why would they subject themselves? I mean our

531
00:24:19,381 --> 00:24:21,581
Speaker 3: wonderful co host, Amelia Lestra. I remember she said, I'm

532
00:24:21,581 --> 00:24:23,502
Speaker 3: not going to listen to that Travis Kelsey interview with

533
00:24:23,542 --> 00:24:26,581
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift because I don't like interviews not done by journalists.

534
00:24:27,222 --> 00:24:31,421
Speaker 3: And that's a really interesting line, because I'd almost forgotten

535
00:24:32,101 --> 00:24:35,542
Speaker 3: most of the people doing the long form celebrity interviews

536
00:24:35,542 --> 00:24:37,902
Speaker 3: that we're listening to now. Of course they're not journalists.

537
00:24:38,222 --> 00:24:40,542
Speaker 3: That's not what this is. It's something different, and it

538
00:24:40,542 --> 00:24:42,582
Speaker 3: does feel a little bit like not I don't mean

539
00:24:42,581 --> 00:24:46,021
Speaker 3: this about Amelia, but like in being a bit too

540
00:24:46,542 --> 00:24:49,702
Speaker 3: oh well, these aren't really documentaries. If I still get

541
00:24:49,702 --> 00:24:54,702
Speaker 3: a glimpse into somebody powerful and far removed from me's life,

542
00:24:55,141 --> 00:24:56,981
Speaker 3: I'm still getting something from it. Like I got a

543
00:24:57,022 --> 00:24:59,421
Speaker 3: lot from that Beckham documentary. I loved it. I've watched

544
00:24:59,422 --> 00:25:01,981
Speaker 3: it twice. I would watch it again. And it doesn't

545
00:25:01,982 --> 00:25:04,461
Speaker 3: mean I'm it was gritty and real. It's just like

546
00:25:04,821 --> 00:25:06,142
Speaker 3: I learned a lot about Beckham.

547
00:25:06,341 --> 00:25:08,542
Speaker 4: I just wonder if, in a world where we all

548
00:25:08,581 --> 00:25:12,821
Speaker 4: have our own platform, if any time we make something with.

549
00:25:12,821 --> 00:25:15,782
Speaker 1: A distributor it is an ad like and it is.

550
00:25:15,942 --> 00:25:16,261
Speaker 3: It is.

551
00:25:16,381 --> 00:25:19,941
Speaker 4: Even Taylor on Travis's podcast, It's like that was not

552
00:25:20,302 --> 00:25:22,422
Speaker 4: for her album, which is totally fine, but.

553
00:25:22,742 --> 00:25:25,102
Speaker 3: Because why would you reveal yourself otherwise these days?

554
00:25:25,101 --> 00:25:28,742
Speaker 2: If you're not getting out of it.

555
00:25:27,462 --> 00:25:29,621
Speaker 3: Out Louders in a moment, what the hell do you

556
00:25:29,661 --> 00:25:32,382
Speaker 3: do at night? Do you have a routine? We need

557
00:25:32,422 --> 00:25:38,782
Speaker 3: to discuss it sometimes, I would suggestingly all the time.

558
00:25:38,982 --> 00:25:42,101
Speaker 3: The Outlouders are just iconic, right the people who listen

559
00:25:42,182 --> 00:25:45,702
Speaker 3: to this show, and never more so, I think than

560
00:25:45,742 --> 00:25:49,302
Speaker 3: when one of our wonderful out Louders, Renee Patricia, jumped

561
00:25:49,302 --> 00:25:51,341
Speaker 3: into the out Louders group when I was sick, I

562
00:25:51,341 --> 00:25:54,422
Speaker 3: think the week before last maybe asked this question, what

563
00:25:54,502 --> 00:25:57,342
Speaker 3: do people do at night? I was like, Yes, what

564
00:25:57,381 --> 00:25:59,701
Speaker 3: the hell do people do at night? She went on

565
00:25:59,782 --> 00:26:03,302
Speaker 3: to say, I'm sick of mindless Netflix and scrolling on

566
00:26:03,422 --> 00:26:05,982
Speaker 3: my phone. My husband and I are in the same

567
00:26:06,061 --> 00:26:10,901
Speaker 3: room but aren't really interacting. What's the alternative chess puzzles?

568
00:26:11,101 --> 00:26:17,022
Speaker 3: What does everyone else do? Q? Hundreds and hundreds of answers.

569
00:26:17,182 --> 00:26:18,022
Speaker 1: What do people do?

570
00:26:18,222 --> 00:26:20,901
Speaker 3: Okay, here's a few examples, and then we've got to

571
00:26:20,901 --> 00:26:23,182
Speaker 3: get to why this is such a very interesting question

572
00:26:24,022 --> 00:26:26,502
Speaker 3: because obviously this is hitting a lot of people because

573
00:26:26,542 --> 00:26:28,742
Speaker 3: they are all especially if they're in couples or they're

574
00:26:28,782 --> 00:26:31,462
Speaker 3: in families. They're like, we just sit and watch TV

575
00:26:31,542 --> 00:26:33,542
Speaker 3: and we we should be doing something else or not.

576
00:26:33,661 --> 00:26:35,101
Speaker 3: We don't sit and watch TV, but we all do

577
00:26:35,182 --> 00:26:37,902
Speaker 3: something different. We're not connecting. That's what people panic about, right.

578
00:26:38,621 --> 00:26:41,182
Speaker 3: So Helen says that her husband has gone holdheartedly into

579
00:26:41,182 --> 00:26:43,702
Speaker 3: buying vinyl albums. That is what you call a classic

580
00:26:43,821 --> 00:26:46,462
Speaker 3: midlife hobby. I believe that in midlife we all get

581
00:26:46,462 --> 00:26:49,381
Speaker 3: assigned a hobby. We don't necessarily choose it. It just comes.

582
00:26:49,782 --> 00:26:51,701
Speaker 3: For me. It was gardening, as many out loud as know.

583
00:26:51,861 --> 00:26:55,982
Speaker 3: So some others it may be bike riding, triathlons. Oh,

584
00:26:56,182 --> 00:26:58,222
Speaker 3: sour dough. I know a lot of dads on bike. Yeah.

585
00:26:58,901 --> 00:27:02,581
Speaker 3: Obviously Helen's husband, he's been assigned vinyl. Oh that's good

586
00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:04,341
Speaker 3: because then he didn't have to like recale. He would

587
00:27:04,341 --> 00:27:06,782
Speaker 3: have had the collection. It's true, so she says, when

588
00:27:06,782 --> 00:27:08,502
Speaker 3: he puts an album on instead of wondering off to

589
00:27:08,502 --> 00:27:10,221
Speaker 3: watch TV or do my own thing and making an

590
00:27:10,302 --> 00:27:12,461
Speaker 3: effort to potter around him and stay in the space

591
00:27:12,502 --> 00:27:12,782
Speaker 3: with him.

592
00:27:12,782 --> 00:27:13,262
Speaker 1: Oh bless.

593
00:27:13,621 --> 00:27:16,141
Speaker 3: Quite a few people are playing board games. We played chess,

594
00:27:16,182 --> 00:27:19,262
Speaker 3: We played banana grams or scrabble with a wine, says Alex.

595
00:27:19,661 --> 00:27:22,621
Speaker 3: Claire says. We play wordle, Connections strands, the mini crosswords.

596
00:27:22,661 --> 00:27:24,461
Speaker 3: Brent and I did that. We do wordle every night

597
00:27:24,462 --> 00:27:26,861
Speaker 3: before we get a bed. Some people are buying magazines.

598
00:27:26,901 --> 00:27:29,861
Speaker 3: People are getting quite retro. Some people are going to

599
00:27:29,982 --> 00:27:34,662
Speaker 3: salsa classes. Someone's going twilight sailing. That sounds fancy. Ali says.

600
00:27:34,742 --> 00:27:36,981
Speaker 3: Our nights are filled with technology, but we try to

601
00:27:37,022 --> 00:27:39,701
Speaker 3: do it together. We'll watch the same show together, or

602
00:27:39,702 --> 00:27:42,462
Speaker 3: decide we're going to have a mindless scroll sesh. Apparently

603
00:27:42,462 --> 00:27:45,381
Speaker 3: you're allowed to have a mindless scroll sessh if.

604
00:27:45,782 --> 00:27:50,381
Speaker 2: This is great pr for relationships, right, we're like, oh please,

605
00:27:50,542 --> 00:27:51,181
Speaker 2: let's be at it.

606
00:27:51,702 --> 00:27:53,941
Speaker 3: And some people do things like the thirty six questions

607
00:27:53,982 --> 00:27:56,462
Speaker 3: that lead to level you know, those that we take

608
00:27:56,502 --> 00:28:00,462
Speaker 3: turns making cocktails mocktails. Now I need to know this

609
00:28:00,581 --> 00:28:02,421
Speaker 3: was quite a couple specific, because that was what the

610
00:28:02,502 --> 00:28:04,941
Speaker 3: question was about, was kind of like what do we

611
00:28:05,022 --> 00:28:08,581
Speaker 3: do now? It's basically the question, but I think it's

612
00:28:08,581 --> 00:28:11,421
Speaker 3: broader for everybody different phases in their life, like what

613
00:28:11,581 --> 00:28:14,621
Speaker 3: do we do at night? And vernon, what do you

614
00:28:14,702 --> 00:28:15,542
Speaker 3: do at night?

615
00:28:15,742 --> 00:28:18,902
Speaker 2: I've fallen down this big TikTok rabbit hole of this

616
00:28:19,022 --> 00:28:22,142
Speaker 2: trend that's called my five to nine after my nine

617
00:28:22,141 --> 00:28:25,941
Speaker 2: to five, And I've seen basically these girls post and

618
00:28:25,942 --> 00:28:28,182
Speaker 2: it's usually a girl who works in a corporate job.

619
00:28:28,621 --> 00:28:30,742
Speaker 2: She usually logs off at like six thirty or seven,

620
00:28:31,182 --> 00:28:33,942
Speaker 2: and then she just gets so much stuff done, like

621
00:28:34,182 --> 00:28:36,341
Speaker 2: like what like what? So she has to take the

622
00:28:36,422 --> 00:28:39,262
Speaker 2: train home, and then she gets home, she feeds the dog,

623
00:28:39,302 --> 00:28:41,622
Speaker 2: and then she's out again. She's going to go to

624
00:28:41,661 --> 00:28:43,942
Speaker 2: the gym. She's back home, she plays with the dog.

625
00:28:44,022 --> 00:28:46,862
Speaker 2: She's out again, she's meeting friends for drinks. She's back home,

626
00:28:46,942 --> 00:28:49,701
Speaker 2: she's watching TV, she's doing her nighttime routine.

627
00:28:49,742 --> 00:28:53,342
Speaker 3: I'm like, I do not understand how she does that.

628
00:28:53,382 --> 00:28:55,902
Speaker 3: When I was in my more in my going out years,

629
00:28:55,902 --> 00:28:57,741
Speaker 3: which obviously I'm not these days because I live in

630
00:28:57,742 --> 00:28:59,582
Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere and I have other things to do,

631
00:28:59,661 --> 00:29:02,102
Speaker 3: but I used to hate going home and then going

632
00:29:02,102 --> 00:29:04,102
Speaker 3: out again. Yeah, for me, it was like, am either

633
00:29:04,262 --> 00:29:07,222
Speaker 3: out or I'm home, but that's very impressive. Going home

634
00:29:07,262 --> 00:29:08,822
Speaker 3: to feed the dog and go to the gym and

635
00:29:08,862 --> 00:29:11,022
Speaker 3: then go back then go out again. That's impressive.

636
00:29:11,102 --> 00:29:13,342
Speaker 4: So what would most of your nights look like like?

637
00:29:13,422 --> 00:29:16,142
Speaker 4: You finish up at work, finish up at ordinary night.

638
00:29:16,022 --> 00:29:19,661
Speaker 2: Look like I'll usually have a work event after work

639
00:29:19,782 --> 00:29:22,222
Speaker 2: which will end around nine pm.

640
00:29:22,382 --> 00:29:24,382
Speaker 3: How many of those do you like to have a week?

641
00:29:24,422 --> 00:29:26,262
Speaker 3: Because I know you don't necessarily get to choose, but

642
00:29:26,302 --> 00:29:28,622
Speaker 3: you don't have to accept every invitation because some much

643
00:29:28,661 --> 00:29:30,782
Speaker 3: louders might not know this, but obviously Emily Venham is

644
00:29:30,822 --> 00:29:32,701
Speaker 3: also on the spill and she gets invited to a

645
00:29:32,742 --> 00:29:35,421
Speaker 3: lot of movies and TV launches.

646
00:29:35,142 --> 00:29:38,702
Speaker 2: Beauty launches, beauty events. Back in my heyday, I feel

647
00:29:38,702 --> 00:29:40,502
Speaker 2: like when I a few years ago, I would go

648
00:29:40,582 --> 00:29:43,622
Speaker 2: to three to four a week. Now it's probably one

649
00:29:43,661 --> 00:29:46,022
Speaker 2: to two a week, and that's like an easy week.

650
00:29:46,062 --> 00:29:48,742
Speaker 2: But then my other days will be filled with going

651
00:29:48,742 --> 00:29:51,422
Speaker 2: out to drinks with friends or catching up with someone,

652
00:29:51,742 --> 00:29:55,862
Speaker 2: going to the movies, going to eat. But I inhaled

653
00:29:55,942 --> 00:29:59,142
Speaker 2: this thread in the out loudest because I actually don't

654
00:29:59,182 --> 00:30:02,062
Speaker 2: do anything when I have nothing on after work, and

655
00:30:02,142 --> 00:30:03,981
Speaker 2: I struggle to find something to do.

656
00:30:03,902 --> 00:30:05,542
Speaker 3: And what does that look like? What does not doing

657
00:30:05,582 --> 00:30:06,382
Speaker 3: anything look like?

658
00:30:06,622 --> 00:30:11,342
Speaker 2: Literally going home, getting uber eat, it's going to bed.

659
00:30:11,582 --> 00:30:15,142
Speaker 2: That's literally a night for me. And there's a lot

660
00:30:15,142 --> 00:30:17,702
Speaker 2: of people in the thread that they were saying, I

661
00:30:17,902 --> 00:30:19,941
Speaker 2: watch TV or I do this, and I feel like

662
00:30:20,062 --> 00:30:22,502
Speaker 2: it's better when you have someone with you because you

663
00:30:22,542 --> 00:30:25,461
Speaker 2: can't feel as guilty. Whenever I go home and I

664
00:30:25,502 --> 00:30:28,661
Speaker 2: just watch a TV show by myself, I feel really depressed.

665
00:30:29,142 --> 00:30:31,262
Speaker 3: Dude, Yeah, I get really sad.

666
00:30:31,382 --> 00:30:34,661
Speaker 4: Another person holds you to account to the activity you're

667
00:30:34,702 --> 00:30:37,221
Speaker 4: committed to. So if I'm at home and Luke's not

668
00:30:37,262 --> 00:30:39,022
Speaker 4: at home, then I put the show on and I'm

669
00:30:39,022 --> 00:30:41,461
Speaker 4: also scrolling my phone and I'm distracted, and it's not

670
00:30:41,542 --> 00:30:46,502
Speaker 4: really a fun activity, whereas when it's shared, where both

671
00:30:46,542 --> 00:30:48,982
Speaker 4: engaged and we're talking about it, which feels a little

672
00:30:48,982 --> 00:30:49,782
Speaker 4: bit more social.

673
00:30:49,982 --> 00:30:51,941
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. What do you do at night?

674
00:30:52,022 --> 00:30:52,782
Speaker 3: Jesse Stevens.

675
00:30:52,982 --> 00:30:55,102
Speaker 4: I go to the gym a couple of times a week.

676
00:30:55,182 --> 00:30:57,461
Speaker 4: I'm a nighttime gym person because I'm not a morning

677
00:30:57,661 --> 00:30:58,221
Speaker 4: gym person.

678
00:30:58,262 --> 00:30:59,462
Speaker 3: What time do you go to the gym?

679
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Speaker 1: I will go to the gym at about six point

680
00:31:01,142 --> 00:31:01,782
Speaker 1: thirty seven old.

681
00:31:01,822 --> 00:31:03,741
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I've always been in awe of people in

682
00:31:03,742 --> 00:31:06,142
Speaker 3: the gym at night, because when I've been gym person,

683
00:31:06,182 --> 00:31:08,302
Speaker 3: I'm a morning gym person. And when I walk past

684
00:31:08,302 --> 00:31:09,862
Speaker 3: the gym and I see it full at life eight

685
00:31:09,902 --> 00:31:10,982
Speaker 3: pm or whatever, I'm like.

686
00:31:11,062 --> 00:31:13,462
Speaker 1: What, Yeah, I'm sure it's probably not good for you

687
00:31:13,502 --> 00:31:14,342
Speaker 1: sleep or any Do you.

688
00:31:14,342 --> 00:31:16,421
Speaker 3: Get energy at that time or is it just something

689
00:31:16,422 --> 00:31:16,981
Speaker 3: like I have to do.

690
00:31:17,302 --> 00:31:19,741
Speaker 4: That's when I will get a peek and energy in

691
00:31:19,782 --> 00:31:21,262
Speaker 4: a way that if I went in the morning, I

692
00:31:21,262 --> 00:31:23,702
Speaker 4: would just be feeling really sluggish. I feel as though

693
00:31:23,702 --> 00:31:26,461
Speaker 4: by that time I've been eating all day, like I

694
00:31:26,502 --> 00:31:28,382
Speaker 4: feel fine to do it. So I'll go and do

695
00:31:28,462 --> 00:31:31,622
Speaker 4: that a few nights a week, which Luca will put

696
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Speaker 4: Luna down.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a good habit because it stops you

698
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Speaker 3: from doing other things like eating ice cream or drinking wine. Oh,

699
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Speaker 3: I was gonna save No, there's anything wrong with eating

700
00:31:39,422 --> 00:31:40,502
Speaker 3: ice cream and drinking wine.

701
00:31:40,542 --> 00:31:42,622
Speaker 4: But you know, well, you can also do that when

702
00:31:42,622 --> 00:31:45,422
Speaker 4: you get home from So then we get home and

703
00:31:45,862 --> 00:31:49,262
Speaker 4: we every night have our TV show and we'll talk

704
00:31:49,302 --> 00:31:50,222
Speaker 4: about it during the day.

705
00:31:50,782 --> 00:31:53,302
Speaker 1: We will send each other links to things.

706
00:31:53,942 --> 00:31:56,102
Speaker 4: That is the thing that we look most forward to

707
00:31:56,742 --> 00:31:59,902
Speaker 4: and we also like Luna goes to bed and then

708
00:32:00,142 --> 00:32:02,102
Speaker 4: we do dinner and show.

709
00:32:02,382 --> 00:32:04,582
Speaker 2: And is it like you guys are strict on like

710
00:32:04,661 --> 00:32:07,102
Speaker 2: one or two episodes. You're not in a rabbit hole

711
00:32:07,102 --> 00:32:08,262
Speaker 2: of like binge watching.

712
00:32:08,142 --> 00:32:11,582
Speaker 4: Yes, and phone away because that was annoying us, I think,

713
00:32:12,062 --> 00:32:14,461
Speaker 4: And I've heard people say. I've had like a psychologist say,

714
00:32:14,942 --> 00:32:16,502
Speaker 4: are you going to spend your whole life sitting on

715
00:32:16,542 --> 00:32:17,582
Speaker 4: the couch watching shows?

716
00:32:17,622 --> 00:32:19,221
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's what I feel like doing, like

717
00:32:19,222 --> 00:32:19,902
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted.

718
00:32:19,942 --> 00:32:22,701
Speaker 4: And then when we get into bed, I don't like

719
00:32:22,782 --> 00:32:27,262
Speaker 4: mindlessly scrolling TikTok. So Luca has his algorithm set for

720
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Speaker 4: us and then he harvests. That's what he says.

721
00:32:29,582 --> 00:32:31,062
Speaker 1: He says, I'm going to go out to the fields

722
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Speaker 1: for us. It's got the softest hands because he's never

723
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Speaker 1: harvested in his life.

724
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Speaker 4: So he goes out to the field and then he

725
00:32:37,862 --> 00:32:39,702
Speaker 4: likes a bunch, and then he says, I have a

726
00:32:39,742 --> 00:32:41,822
Speaker 4: plentiful Oh curate.

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00:32:41,582 --> 00:32:46,422
Speaker 3: Excuse me, excuse me. Your pre bed scrolling has been

728
00:32:46,502 --> 00:32:50,742
Speaker 3: curated by your husband. We organized and is there like

729
00:32:50,782 --> 00:32:52,862
Speaker 3: an end where it stops? And also do you watch

730
00:32:52,902 --> 00:32:53,342
Speaker 3: it together?

731
00:32:53,542 --> 00:32:53,822
Speaker 1: Yes?

732
00:32:53,942 --> 00:32:55,862
Speaker 4: So then he's found a bunch, which is we have

733
00:32:56,102 --> 00:32:59,981
Speaker 4: very similar humor interests, and like, he'll just find a

734
00:32:59,982 --> 00:33:02,542
Speaker 4: bunch that he knows we like, and then he'll go,

735
00:33:02,702 --> 00:33:04,421
Speaker 4: I have funny tiktoks to show you, and then we

736
00:33:04,502 --> 00:33:06,662
Speaker 4: lay there and he might have ten. And if it's

737
00:33:06,661 --> 00:33:09,221
Speaker 4: not a plentiful harvest, sometimes it's three. It's very disappointing.

738
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Speaker 3: Are you also judging his selection?

739
00:33:11,022 --> 00:33:12,622
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sometimes I look at it and I'm like, was

740
00:33:12,661 --> 00:33:13,302
Speaker 1: that an accident?

741
00:33:14,582 --> 00:33:16,222
Speaker 4: And then we watch it together and then at least

742
00:33:16,222 --> 00:33:18,622
Speaker 4: this thing that can be really sad is kind of

743
00:33:18,702 --> 00:33:22,822
Speaker 4: shared like, which feels less. And also there's an end point, right, yeah,

744
00:33:22,862 --> 00:33:26,221
Speaker 4: there at that point I'm not too going like me, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

745
00:33:26,422 --> 00:33:28,022
Speaker 3: I feel sick if I scroll too long.

746
00:33:28,062 --> 00:33:30,822
Speaker 1: Oh and I always read. I always read before bed.

747
00:33:30,822 --> 00:33:33,421
Speaker 4: But we're talking about this recently, Holly, I'm only getting

748
00:33:33,422 --> 00:33:35,742
Speaker 4: in ten minutes before I fall asleep at the moment, which.

749
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Speaker 1: Is it's not satisfying.

750
00:33:38,262 --> 00:33:40,902
Speaker 3: It's very different different stages in your life obviously, right.

751
00:33:41,022 --> 00:33:43,582
Speaker 3: So I definitely had a phase in my life, quite

752
00:33:43,582 --> 00:33:45,221
Speaker 3: a long phase in my life where I had a

753
00:33:45,262 --> 00:33:47,262
Speaker 3: literal diary and it would have had something in it

754
00:33:47,302 --> 00:33:49,662
Speaker 3: every night, either a work thing or a friend's thing,

755
00:33:49,782 --> 00:33:51,421
Speaker 3: or drinks with so and so thing, or dinner with

756
00:33:51,462 --> 00:33:53,661
Speaker 3: so and so thing. I call this my m era.

757
00:33:55,542 --> 00:33:58,221
Speaker 3: And then there was the many years, the decade or

758
00:33:58,302 --> 00:34:01,542
Speaker 3: so where everything you did at night was all around bedtime.

759
00:34:02,102 --> 00:34:04,501
Speaker 3: This is my Jester Stephen's era. Yeah, so it's like

760
00:34:04,582 --> 00:34:08,142
Speaker 3: you are everything's good around that seven seven point thirty

761
00:34:08,542 --> 00:34:11,142
Speaker 3: when the kids go down or the kid goes down

762
00:34:11,302 --> 00:34:13,862
Speaker 3: and you get to go and collapse on the couch.

763
00:34:14,102 --> 00:34:16,741
Speaker 3: We have to give ourselves grace for different rules in

764
00:34:16,782 --> 00:34:19,622
Speaker 3: different phase of your life. Because our out louders who's

765
00:34:19,661 --> 00:34:23,261
Speaker 3: worried about connection with her partner is a very real thing,

766
00:34:23,302 --> 00:34:24,821
Speaker 3: but it's like, I don't think you have to worry

767
00:34:24,862 --> 00:34:27,902
Speaker 3: about that necessarily so much when you're in that little kid,

768
00:34:28,302 --> 00:34:30,661
Speaker 3: give yourself a bit of grace. If you're on a

769
00:34:30,701 --> 00:34:32,462
Speaker 3: lie and scroll your TikTok on your own, I think

770
00:34:32,462 --> 00:34:35,142
Speaker 3: you're allowed. And equally, I think that if you're going

771
00:34:35,181 --> 00:34:36,861
Speaker 3: out every night and you love it, and you are

772
00:34:36,902 --> 00:34:38,701
Speaker 3: allowed to watch a TV showever, I want to give

773
00:34:38,701 --> 00:34:41,461
Speaker 3: you permission. You think you're so social and you work hard,

774
00:34:41,502 --> 00:34:43,741
Speaker 3: and you're allowed to watch a TV show Anyway, I

775
00:34:43,741 --> 00:34:46,422
Speaker 3: think we digrece. But these days I'm in a different

776
00:34:46,422 --> 00:34:50,062
Speaker 3: phase again because my kids are older, bedtime isn't so

777
00:34:50,142 --> 00:34:51,982
Speaker 3: much of a thing, and my daughter in particular is

778
00:34:52,022 --> 00:34:54,182
Speaker 3: up blad than I am often and so that changes

779
00:34:54,221 --> 00:34:57,742
Speaker 3: everything again, right, So we have different routines for different

780
00:34:57,781 --> 00:35:00,742
Speaker 3: nights of the week. Week nights, dinner at the table,

781
00:35:00,942 --> 00:35:02,741
Speaker 3: and I'm not always home because often I'm here. But

782
00:35:02,741 --> 00:35:05,941
Speaker 3: if I'm dinner at the table, always together, and then

783
00:35:06,302 --> 00:35:08,741
Speaker 3: like half an hour to an hour of like family TV,

784
00:35:08,902 --> 00:35:10,422
Speaker 3: viewing something we're watching together.

785
00:35:10,462 --> 00:35:11,422
Speaker 1: What are you watching at the moment?

786
00:35:11,622 --> 00:35:14,142
Speaker 3: So we might be watching Lego Masters. We might be

787
00:35:14,302 --> 00:35:17,861
Speaker 3: watching a movie that we'll watch in bits over a week,

788
00:35:17,982 --> 00:35:19,421
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. We'll watch half an hour

789
00:35:19,462 --> 00:35:21,221
Speaker 3: of it tonight, half an hour of it tomorrow night.

790
00:35:21,261 --> 00:35:24,942
Speaker 3: We might watch I don't know. They sometimes docos and things,

791
00:35:24,982 --> 00:35:27,222
Speaker 3: but it's getting harder and harder to find things everybody

792
00:35:27,221 --> 00:35:27,622
Speaker 3: wants to watch.

793
00:35:27,622 --> 00:35:31,542
Speaker 4: Bodny Blue is a fun one for the my god,

794
00:35:32,062 --> 00:35:34,741
Speaker 4: Brent and Billy have been watching adolescents actually, which I

795
00:35:34,741 --> 00:35:36,422
Speaker 4: think is quite a good thing for Billy to be

796
00:35:36,422 --> 00:35:38,781
Speaker 4: watching at his age with adult supervision.

797
00:35:39,142 --> 00:35:41,741
Speaker 3: But then on the weekends it's different. Thursday nights as

798
00:35:41,862 --> 00:35:44,701
Speaker 3: out Loud is no Trivia night, Brent Night, that's our

799
00:35:44,781 --> 00:35:46,542
Speaker 3: date night and ver commas. What do the kids do

800
00:35:46,622 --> 00:35:48,661
Speaker 3: on date night? They stay home. They love it because

801
00:35:48,661 --> 00:35:50,502
Speaker 3: they're old enough to stay home, and they love it

802
00:35:50,502 --> 00:35:52,861
Speaker 3: because it means basically, Billy will get to players video

803
00:35:52,902 --> 00:35:55,622
Speaker 3: games until we come home, as opposed to me being

804
00:35:55,622 --> 00:35:59,381
Speaker 3: there and being good to Ben. Weekends, Brent Night will

805
00:35:59,502 --> 00:36:01,982
Speaker 3: usually go and have a drink early in the evening,

806
00:36:02,022 --> 00:36:05,982
Speaker 3: like five o'clock sundown, drink together, a little catch up,

807
00:36:05,982 --> 00:36:07,821
Speaker 3: and then dinner with the family and a movie like

808
00:36:07,862 --> 00:36:10,981
Speaker 3: it's very wholesome, but it's like and it just set

809
00:36:11,102 --> 00:36:14,422
Speaker 3: these rules out. We didn't set them out.

810
00:36:14,462 --> 00:36:14,542
Speaker 7: Like.

811
00:36:14,622 --> 00:36:17,261
Speaker 3: Our lives have changed a lot, obviously. Moving where we live,

812
00:36:17,342 --> 00:36:20,421
Speaker 3: there isn't like lots of social stuff to do and

813
00:36:20,462 --> 00:36:23,582
Speaker 3: our friends we are more likely to socialize in the

814
00:36:23,701 --> 00:36:27,102
Speaker 3: afternoons or the daytime than nighttime very often because everyone's

815
00:36:27,142 --> 00:36:30,301
Speaker 3: a drive away. Like, it's just very different. Living in

816
00:36:30,342 --> 00:36:33,861
Speaker 3: a small town. Everything closes early, Everything closes early. There

817
00:36:33,862 --> 00:36:35,582
Speaker 3: aren't very many places to go out for dinner, so

818
00:36:35,622 --> 00:36:37,942
Speaker 3: obviously we do do that, but we're more likely to

819
00:36:37,982 --> 00:36:40,102
Speaker 3: do it in the afternoons. I used to work at

820
00:36:40,181 --> 00:36:42,661
Speaker 3: night a lot when the kids were smaller. I wrote

821
00:36:42,661 --> 00:36:44,422
Speaker 3: two books I Reckon between the hours of eight and ten.

822
00:36:44,542 --> 00:36:46,582
Speaker 3: Like the kids go to bed, I'd go to bed

823
00:36:46,622 --> 00:36:48,542
Speaker 3: with my laptop. But now they don't go to bed,

824
00:36:48,582 --> 00:36:50,901
Speaker 3: so that's shifted. So I might still go to bed

825
00:36:50,982 --> 00:36:52,582
Speaker 3: with my laptop, but it's more likely that one of

826
00:36:52,582 --> 00:36:54,341
Speaker 3: them will come in and lie down and insist on

827
00:36:54,342 --> 00:36:55,942
Speaker 3: this and that and whatever, and you're like, hunt, you're

828
00:36:55,942 --> 00:36:58,781
Speaker 3: a teenager, on you fucking what are you doing here?

829
00:36:59,462 --> 00:37:00,582
Speaker 1: There's something sacred.

830
00:37:01,102 --> 00:37:02,981
Speaker 3: I used to work at night, and I actually don't

831
00:37:02,982 --> 00:37:05,462
Speaker 3: work at night so much anymore. I've changed me neither.

832
00:37:05,942 --> 00:37:10,062
Speaker 4: I decided that having that period as something to look

833
00:37:10,102 --> 00:37:13,062
Speaker 4: forward to throughout the day, Like I have chocolate every night, Yeah,

834
00:37:13,062 --> 00:37:13,381
Speaker 4: and I.

835
00:37:13,382 --> 00:37:15,022
Speaker 1: Go when you have your dinner, you.

836
00:37:14,982 --> 00:37:17,382
Speaker 4: Get your chocolate, and I just get so excited and

837
00:37:17,622 --> 00:37:20,221
Speaker 4: like sit there and it's just the little glimmers that

838
00:37:20,422 --> 00:37:21,181
Speaker 4: just make me.

839
00:37:21,102 --> 00:37:24,661
Speaker 3: Feel there's glimmers. It's definitely glimmers. I know that if

840
00:37:24,701 --> 00:37:28,062
Speaker 3: I let myself scroll, particularly if I'm in the city

841
00:37:28,062 --> 00:37:30,542
Speaker 3: and I'm on my own to your point before m

842
00:37:31,181 --> 00:37:33,862
Speaker 3: I can get a bit sad. Yeah, And I think

843
00:37:33,902 --> 00:37:36,941
Speaker 3: that watching a TV show that I've chosen to watch,

844
00:37:36,942 --> 00:37:38,861
Speaker 3: and I'm putting the phone away. To your point, Jesse

845
00:37:39,102 --> 00:37:39,822
Speaker 3: feels different.

846
00:37:40,261 --> 00:37:44,182
Speaker 4: So on parenting out Loud, we talked about using your phone,

847
00:37:44,382 --> 00:37:47,382
Speaker 4: turning it into a landline, so plugging it in, and

848
00:37:47,422 --> 00:37:49,302
Speaker 4: that's where the phone lives when you're at home, because

849
00:37:49,342 --> 00:37:52,982
Speaker 4: if it's within hand distance, it's just all bets are off,

850
00:37:53,022 --> 00:37:55,781
Speaker 4: and that's the thing that's zapping the connection to me,

851
00:37:56,342 --> 00:37:58,142
Speaker 4: like more so than anything else.

852
00:37:58,261 --> 00:37:59,741
Speaker 3: I want to know. I'd have one more thing to

853
00:37:59,741 --> 00:38:02,661
Speaker 3: ask you about this because somebody in this thread said,

854
00:38:03,502 --> 00:38:06,302
Speaker 3: for Fox's sake or you boring married people, why aren't

855
00:38:06,302 --> 00:38:06,982
Speaker 3: you having sex?

856
00:38:07,261 --> 00:38:10,142
Speaker 1: I actually one person.

857
00:38:10,422 --> 00:38:13,862
Speaker 3: It's like, not one person in any of these couples

858
00:38:13,862 --> 00:38:16,302
Speaker 3: said they were having sex. And somebody said, I'm single.

859
00:38:16,382 --> 00:38:18,102
Speaker 3: And when I look at all these people who have

860
00:38:18,181 --> 00:38:21,902
Speaker 3: sex on tap and they're like wordling and doing scrabble,

861
00:38:22,462 --> 00:38:24,861
Speaker 3: It's like, why aren't you?

862
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine that people were having sex every Now you.

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Speaker 2: Know how hard it is as a single person to

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Speaker 2: have sex. It feels like you have an opportunity that

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Speaker 2: you're not taking advantage of it.

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Speaker 1: That's a part that makes it fun, that it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit hard.

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Speaker 3: That is not the part of fun.

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Speaker 2: I actually did think that when I was scrolling on

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Speaker 2: her people exploring salsal classes.

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Speaker 3: You're more going to go to salsal classes and to

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Speaker 3: a out loud as eternal defense. She said, we have teenagers,

873
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Speaker 3: which is true. It's very hard to have sex in

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Speaker 3: a house with teenagers. They just wander around and open

875
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Speaker 3: doors and everyone can hear everything. It's very complicated. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: out loud as, what do you do at night? Who's

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Speaker 3: got the best ideas? Give some habits, some good habits.

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Speaker 2: After the break, we bring you our Friday recods, including

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Speaker 3: Vibes ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun.

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Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation.

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Speaker 2: It is Friday, and we want to help set up

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Speaker 2: your weekend with our very best recommendation.

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Speaker 4: Jesse. Okay, I have two ooh, I have a TV

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Speaker 4: show called The Girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: Has anyone heard.

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Speaker 3: Us, so you recommended it, and I watched the first

893
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Speaker 3: one last night, and my goodness, it is good ripping.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: So do remember the Perfect Couple that I think was

896
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Speaker 4: on Netflix with Nicole Pitman.

897
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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 4: It reminds me tonally of that, right is it? It's

899
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Speaker 4: this kind of psychological thriller, family drama thing, but it's

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Speaker 4: got Robin Wright who plays the mum and she's also

901
00:40:18,062 --> 00:40:22,702
Speaker 4: the director, and basically it is her and her son's

902
00:40:22,741 --> 00:40:26,942
Speaker 4: girlfriend and it flips perspectives, so it goes from Laura

903
00:40:27,022 --> 00:40:30,702
Speaker 4: the mum to Cherry the girlfriend, and it just ramps

904
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Speaker 4: up and up and you don't know who to believe

905
00:40:32,701 --> 00:40:36,622
Speaker 4: in terms of what happened. So suspenseful, so fun. It's

906
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Speaker 4: on Prime video, so.

907
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Speaker 3: It's also got some excellent and at least the first

908
00:40:40,701 --> 00:40:44,421
Speaker 3: episode some excellent house porn in it, because it's set

909
00:40:44,422 --> 00:40:46,781
Speaker 3: in London and these people live in this like I've

910
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Speaker 3: never I don't even know people live. Then they go

911
00:40:48,862 --> 00:40:52,942
Speaker 3: to Spain and the houses and the fashion and so

912
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Speaker 3: very very fun, so fun.

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Speaker 4: And look, I realize I've been going a bit heavy

914
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Speaker 4: on the TV, particularly the documentary is lately, so I

915
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Speaker 4: wanted to throw in a very smart book that will

916
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Speaker 4: make you feel good about the world. It is called

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Speaker 4: Nature's Last Dance Tales of Wonder in an Age of

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Speaker 4: Extinction by Natalie Karaku. She's an environmentalist and this book

919
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Speaker 4: is an antidote to the feeling of despair we all

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Speaker 4: have when it comes to the climate. And I have

921
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Speaker 4: found myself not able to read the news about the

922
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Speaker 4: state of the world, like the anxiety I get from

923
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Speaker 4: natural disasters.

924
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Speaker 1: All of that.

925
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Speaker 4: This book, the whole point of this book is going

926
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Speaker 4: look up and look around. If we have any chance

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Speaker 4: of saving this, we need to fall back in love

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Speaker 4: with nature.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And so.

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Speaker 4: It's about hope, and it's about stories of human resilience

931
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Speaker 4: and things that they've done to save local wildlife. It's

932
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Speaker 4: about what we can learn from certain animal populations like matriarchies.

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Speaker 1: Is it sad, No, that's the thing is it's so

934
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Speaker 1: so hopeful. And I went to her book.

935
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Speaker 3: Launch The Last Dance, but it makes me a bit sad.

936
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But the reason she calls it that is because she's like,

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Speaker 4: when nature is under this amount of stress, it starts

939
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Speaker 4: to do really unusual things that are incredible.

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Speaker 1: And what we start to do.

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Speaker 4: I remember hearing this about the Great Barrier Reef that

942
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Speaker 4: the word thing you can do to the Great Barrier

943
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Speaker 4: Reef is go, well, it's all dead now and everyone

944
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Speaker 4: stops going and you pull the.

945
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Speaker 1: Life support out. It's not dead.

946
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Speaker 4: It's still beautiful and we all need to just like

947
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Speaker 4: invest in it and work out how we can visit

948
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Speaker 4: and support so that it continues to sustain itself. But

949
00:42:25,582 --> 00:42:29,142
Speaker 4: it's all about hope and basically making sure that we

950
00:42:29,302 --> 00:42:32,821
Speaker 4: raise our kids to go outside and look around and go.

951
00:42:33,221 --> 00:42:35,542
Speaker 4: We should just be feeling awe and wonder every single

952
00:42:35,622 --> 00:42:37,982
Speaker 4: day at what's around us in order to go this

953
00:42:38,022 --> 00:42:40,102
Speaker 4: is all worth fighting for. So it's a stunning book.

954
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Speaker 4: You can listen audiobook as well. But it's funny and

955
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Speaker 4: it's really really well written. It is called Nature's Last Dance.

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Speaker 4: M what's your recommendation?

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00:42:48,942 --> 00:42:52,462
Speaker 2: So I'm recommending a show called gen V. It's on

958
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Speaker 2: Prime Video.

959
00:42:53,502 --> 00:42:57,302
Speaker 3: Have you wa aout you at Generation?

960
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Speaker 2: It is a spin off show from the show called

961
00:43:01,982 --> 00:43:03,622
Speaker 2: The Boys, which is also.

962
00:43:03,422 --> 00:43:05,661
Speaker 3: On Prime Video. I think I recommend it on the.

963
00:43:05,661 --> 00:43:08,381
Speaker 2: Podcast a few years ago. It's like a superhero show.

964
00:43:08,422 --> 00:43:11,062
Speaker 2: It's a superhero show. So The Boys for me is

965
00:43:11,102 --> 00:43:14,342
Speaker 2: a show that if superheroes.

966
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Speaker 3: Were real in the real world.

967
00:43:15,062 --> 00:43:18,341
Speaker 2: This is the most accurately represented way superheroes can be seen.

968
00:43:18,582 --> 00:43:19,661
Speaker 3: It is so.

969
00:43:19,741 --> 00:43:23,301
Speaker 2: Gruesome, so gory, very r rated. It is not a

970
00:43:23,422 --> 00:43:27,182
Speaker 2: kid's show. Gen V is a spinoff show. So GENV

971
00:43:27,302 --> 00:43:30,261
Speaker 2: is about the next generation of superheroes and they're all

972
00:43:30,302 --> 00:43:33,982
Speaker 2: at this big university. And in the university, it's all

973
00:43:34,022 --> 00:43:36,502
Speaker 2: these soups learning their powers. They're called soups learning their

974
00:43:36,542 --> 00:43:39,741
Speaker 2: powers and they get ranked on the most powerful and

975
00:43:39,781 --> 00:43:42,181
Speaker 2: whoever's the most powerful get to make it into the Seven,

976
00:43:42,181 --> 00:43:44,022
Speaker 2: which is kind of like the Avengers, so like the

977
00:43:44,062 --> 00:43:48,021
Speaker 2: superheroes of the world. It is so so good because

978
00:43:48,062 --> 00:43:51,462
Speaker 2: it's just so realistic, especially with the political climate that

979
00:43:51,502 --> 00:43:54,302
Speaker 2: happening in the US right now, and it just shows

980
00:43:54,422 --> 00:43:57,701
Speaker 2: like if these men had superpowers, there's no way they'd

981
00:43:57,741 --> 00:44:00,181
Speaker 2: be a Captain America. There's no way they'd be an

982
00:44:00,181 --> 00:44:04,221
Speaker 2: Iron Men. They'd be like these crazy, dangerous, scary men.

983
00:44:04,701 --> 00:44:06,661
Speaker 1: Oh wow. And they wouldn't use it for good.

984
00:44:06,781 --> 00:44:09,341
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no one is using their powers for good.

985
00:44:09,382 --> 00:44:11,342
Speaker 3: And it's just so well done.

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Speaker 1: Is it something that they could watch from their kids?

987
00:44:13,221 --> 00:44:15,582
Speaker 2: Is it something I can't watch it? You guys can

988
00:44:15,622 --> 00:44:18,462
Speaker 2: watch it, but it's fad with your partners. But jenv

989
00:44:18,701 --> 00:44:21,822
Speaker 2: Season two has just come out really sadly after season

990
00:44:21,942 --> 00:44:25,221
Speaker 2: one came out, one of the main actors, Chance Perdomo,

991
00:44:25,342 --> 00:44:27,022
Speaker 2: he passed away in a motorcycle accident.

992
00:44:27,062 --> 00:44:28,782
Speaker 3: He was one of the biggest cast members.

993
00:44:28,862 --> 00:44:31,622
Speaker 2: He was brilliant and I think they've done his storyline

994
00:44:31,701 --> 00:44:33,901
Speaker 2: very tastefully in season two.

995
00:44:34,022 --> 00:44:35,261
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a spinoff.

996
00:44:34,942 --> 00:44:36,261
Speaker 2: Show that's part of the main show, but it's not

997
00:44:36,261 --> 00:44:38,661
Speaker 2: one of those spinoff shows where you feel like you

998
00:44:38,701 --> 00:44:40,341
Speaker 2: don't need to watch it. Like if you don't watch

999
00:44:40,342 --> 00:44:42,341
Speaker 2: a spinoff show, the main show the next season won't

1000
00:44:42,382 --> 00:44:45,902
Speaker 2: make sense. They're very connected. But it's just so good,

1001
00:44:45,982 --> 00:44:47,341
Speaker 2: Like I need everyone to watch it because I can't

1002
00:44:47,342 --> 00:44:48,462
Speaker 2: talk to anyone about it because no.

1003
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Speaker 3: One's watching it love it. Oddly, my recommendation is kind

1004
00:44:52,902 --> 00:44:55,341
Speaker 3: of connected to what Jesse just talked about about or

1005
00:44:55,422 --> 00:44:59,422
Speaker 3: in Nature, because I'm recommending a piece that Julia bad

1006
00:44:59,462 --> 00:45:02,341
Speaker 3: wrote in the nine newspapers this week. Everybody knows who

1007
00:45:02,422 --> 00:45:07,461
Speaker 3: Juliabad is. She is an amazing Australian writer, podcaster, journalist, author, etc.

1008
00:45:07,781 --> 00:45:10,062
Speaker 3: And she writes and talks a lot about it or

1009
00:45:10,502 --> 00:45:14,342
Speaker 3: and this week she had a column that was about

1010
00:45:14,462 --> 00:45:17,181
Speaker 3: a list of all the tiny things in life that

1011
00:45:17,221 --> 00:45:21,942
Speaker 3: you love. And that might sound sort of twee and

1012
00:45:22,302 --> 00:45:27,262
Speaker 3: unimportant and like a bit saccering somehow, but it really

1013
00:45:27,302 --> 00:45:30,821
Speaker 3: connected with me and I'm sure many many many other

1014
00:45:30,862 --> 00:45:35,542
Speaker 3: people because gestures around the state of the world right Like,

1015
00:45:36,181 --> 00:45:39,062
Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting in any way that we should be

1016
00:45:39,102 --> 00:45:41,341
Speaker 3: putting our heads in the sand about some of the

1017
00:45:41,382 --> 00:45:44,221
Speaker 3: really scary shit that is going on everywhere. I think

1018
00:45:44,261 --> 00:45:47,462
Speaker 3: that's obviously a very privileged position, and I think that

1019
00:45:47,502 --> 00:45:50,022
Speaker 3: we should all be doing whatever we need to do

1020
00:45:50,142 --> 00:45:52,502
Speaker 3: to make ourselves feel right about that, in terms of

1021
00:45:52,542 --> 00:45:55,982
Speaker 3: donating our time, campaigning to our politicians, all of that stuff.

1022
00:45:56,462 --> 00:45:58,741
Speaker 3: But I also catch myself, and I know I'm not

1023
00:45:58,781 --> 00:46:01,261
Speaker 3: alone in this listening to the news or scrolling my

1024
00:46:01,302 --> 00:46:05,701
Speaker 3: phone lately, and every story then spins me into an

1025
00:46:05,701 --> 00:46:10,381
Speaker 3: existential angst that will go into my children. But the

1026
00:46:10,422 --> 00:46:13,062
Speaker 3: world but this, but that, and I just like find

1027
00:46:13,062 --> 00:46:16,341
Speaker 3: myself spinning. And I know so many other people do

1028
00:46:16,422 --> 00:46:19,862
Speaker 3: that too. And the point of this list that Julia

1029
00:46:19,862 --> 00:46:23,062
Speaker 3: Baird writes about, and she was inspired by Andrea Gibson,

1030
00:46:23,062 --> 00:46:25,181
Speaker 3: who's an amazing American poet who passed away.

1031
00:46:25,221 --> 00:46:28,221
Speaker 1: I've been reading their poetry is incredible.

1032
00:46:27,942 --> 00:46:31,622
Speaker 3: Yes, because one of their final substack poems I guess

1033
00:46:31,661 --> 00:46:35,821
Speaker 3: before they passed, was about this, about holding onto the

1034
00:46:35,822 --> 00:46:39,502
Speaker 3: little things you love. It's not about ignoring the big stuff.

1035
00:46:39,502 --> 00:46:42,902
Speaker 3: It's about grounding yourself in what matters. And obviously, Julia

1036
00:46:42,902 --> 00:46:46,181
Speaker 3: Baird is a beautiful writer. Her list is gorgeous, and

1037
00:46:46,221 --> 00:46:49,462
Speaker 3: it's so interesting because actually, when you think about writing

1038
00:46:49,462 --> 00:46:51,301
Speaker 3: your own list of this, I think a lot of us,

1039
00:46:51,462 --> 00:46:53,301
Speaker 3: they would be very similar. Yeah, and a lot of

1040
00:46:53,382 --> 00:46:55,181
Speaker 3: it for her is about nature. It would be for

1041
00:46:55,261 --> 00:46:58,501
Speaker 3: me too. But she writes about I love autumn leaves,

1042
00:46:58,502 --> 00:47:00,381
Speaker 3: I love libraries. I love the way old men blow

1043
00:47:00,422 --> 00:47:02,822
Speaker 3: their noses in a way a novice might blow a tuba.

1044
00:47:03,342 --> 00:47:05,221
Speaker 3: I love the way dogs stare up at us, the

1045
00:47:05,261 --> 00:47:07,822
Speaker 3: way we stare at the moon. I love the chaos

1046
00:47:07,902 --> 00:47:10,821
Speaker 3: and freedom and disruption of street art. I love people

1047
00:47:10,822 --> 00:47:13,062
Speaker 3: who go on social media and tell strangers they're proud

1048
00:47:13,102 --> 00:47:16,102
Speaker 3: of them. I love knitters of beaners and bears. And

1049
00:47:16,142 --> 00:47:18,662
Speaker 3: it just is so beautiful the way that she writes

1050
00:47:18,661 --> 00:47:22,142
Speaker 3: about this, and then it encouraged me to literally write

1051
00:47:22,142 --> 00:47:23,502
Speaker 3: my own list and I'm not going to go on

1052
00:47:23,542 --> 00:47:25,622
Speaker 3: about that. Maybe I'll put it in the substack or something,

1053
00:47:25,622 --> 00:47:28,462
Speaker 3: but you know, for me, it was things like I

1054
00:47:28,462 --> 00:47:30,582
Speaker 3: said before about when Brent and I walk to have

1055
00:47:30,661 --> 00:47:33,261
Speaker 3: our drink five o'clock on a Saturday, and the way

1056
00:47:33,302 --> 00:47:37,221
Speaker 3: the sky's changing with the trees behind it and the

1057
00:47:37,261 --> 00:47:39,942
Speaker 3: soil and the all those things. The smell of my dog's,

1058
00:47:40,582 --> 00:47:41,622
Speaker 3: my kid's skin.

1059
00:47:41,982 --> 00:47:44,142
Speaker 4: Like the other day I walked out of our house

1060
00:47:44,181 --> 00:47:45,822
Speaker 4: and I went, oh, smells like spray.

1061
00:47:45,942 --> 00:47:48,381
Speaker 1: Yes, that smell in the air where it changes.

1062
00:47:48,181 --> 00:47:50,622
Speaker 3: The smell of the seasonal change. I love that. I

1063
00:47:50,622 --> 00:47:52,422
Speaker 3: love it when it tips into winter and you suddenly

1064
00:47:52,462 --> 00:47:56,382
Speaker 3: get that edge like it's about noticing the little things,

1065
00:47:56,422 --> 00:47:58,142
Speaker 3: and we can call them glimmers, we can call it

1066
00:47:58,181 --> 00:48:01,582
Speaker 3: all hunting. I think it's probably really useful, not as

1067
00:48:01,582 --> 00:48:04,821
Speaker 3: an escape, but as like a bolstering somehow. So we'll

1068
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Speaker 3: put a link in the show notes to Julia's beautiful

1069
00:48:06,902 --> 00:48:09,901
Speaker 3: piece about it. Her headline on it was, what are

1070
00:48:09,902 --> 00:48:12,421
Speaker 3: the tiny things in life that I love? I've made

1071
00:48:12,422 --> 00:48:13,542
Speaker 3: a list, and that's.

1072
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Speaker 1: Before we go.

1073
00:48:16,422 --> 00:48:20,221
Speaker 4: We like to surprise each other. Sprinkles a little glimmers,

1074
00:48:20,221 --> 00:48:22,582
Speaker 4: even on this show. I have some news to share

1075
00:48:22,622 --> 00:48:23,022
Speaker 4: with you both.

1076
00:48:23,102 --> 00:48:26,342
Speaker 1: Oh please tell me I am pregnant.

1077
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Speaker 4: Stop it?

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Speaker 3: Are you actually twins? No, you're not, You're not You're

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00:48:32,582 --> 00:48:35,422
Speaker 3: actually not? I am you actually are?

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00:48:35,701 --> 00:48:36,622
Speaker 2: Are?

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00:48:40,102 --> 00:48:40,822
Speaker 3: My God?

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00:48:41,942 --> 00:48:44,142
Speaker 1: Are you?

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00:48:45,502 --> 00:48:46,022
Speaker 3: Did you know?

1084
00:48:47,342 --> 00:48:51,542
Speaker 4: I haven't told you I'm.

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00:48:54,982 --> 00:49:01,781
Speaker 1: A millionaires. I have so much to tell you both

1086
00:49:02,261 --> 00:49:02,781
Speaker 1: that I have.

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00:49:03,382 --> 00:49:04,342
Speaker 3: I'm like shaking.

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Speaker 4: Stop.

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00:49:07,862 --> 00:49:10,221
Speaker 3: I'm so happy about this.

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Speaker 1: I have so much to tell you. Tell us, tell us,

1091
00:49:13,781 --> 00:49:14,342
Speaker 1: tell us.

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00:49:14,422 --> 00:49:18,181
Speaker 4: So I spoke on this podcast about losing a pregnancy.

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00:49:18,701 --> 00:49:20,861
Speaker 3: In fact, I'll tell you what. The tarot card reader

1094
00:49:20,902 --> 00:49:25,542
Speaker 3: did not see that anymore. Okay, I'm shutting.

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00:49:25,261 --> 00:49:27,702
Speaker 4: Up there that I want to revisit from that tarot

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00:49:27,741 --> 00:49:29,502
Speaker 4: card reader that I kept saying to the producers, you

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00:49:29,502 --> 00:49:32,142
Speaker 4: know what, don't delete that, just leave that bit because

1098
00:49:32,142 --> 00:49:34,502
Speaker 4: there's some bits I would like to revisit. Anyway, I

1099
00:49:34,502 --> 00:49:36,582
Speaker 4: was like six seven weeks whenever you go for the

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00:49:36,661 --> 00:49:41,102
Speaker 4: dating scan, and I'm laying there and she she does

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00:49:41,102 --> 00:49:43,422
Speaker 4: my stomach, and then she goes, I'm going to do

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Speaker 4: an internal one just to double check.

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Speaker 3: And then you must have been really nervous because what

1104
00:49:47,741 --> 00:49:48,422
Speaker 3: you've been through.

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00:49:48,542 --> 00:49:50,221
Speaker 4: Yes, So she goes, I'm gonna do an internal one.

1106
00:49:50,261 --> 00:49:52,102
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have a little look, then I'm going to

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00:49:52,142 --> 00:49:53,381
Speaker 4: tell you what I can see. And she just goes

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00:49:53,422 --> 00:49:55,582
Speaker 4: silent for like five minutes, and I was like, Okay,

1109
00:49:55,661 --> 00:49:56,662
Speaker 4: this is not good news.

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Speaker 1: But then she turns the thing around.

1111
00:49:58,062 --> 00:50:01,022
Speaker 4: She goes, there's your little baby with the heartbeat, and

1112
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Speaker 4: then she just moves it and goes and there's.

1113
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Speaker 1: Another little baby. And I just burst out into here

1114
00:50:09,781 --> 00:50:14,422
Speaker 1: like joy shock. Everything going on with three children?

1115
00:50:14,701 --> 00:50:17,661
Speaker 4: Yes, And so anyway, Luca, who's in the middle of

1116
00:50:17,701 --> 00:50:19,942
Speaker 4: a meeting, is going do you check it?

1117
00:50:20,022 --> 00:50:21,542
Speaker 1: Is there a heartbeat? And I was like, is there

1118
00:50:21,582 --> 00:50:26,142
Speaker 1: a heartbeat? Is there? Are there is a There are

1119
00:50:26,181 --> 00:50:26,742
Speaker 1: heart beats?

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Speaker 4: So I told him and it was just the funniest reaction.

1121
00:50:31,701 --> 00:50:35,701
Speaker 4: Told my mum, who you can imagine, like she just

1122
00:50:36,142 --> 00:50:39,382
Speaker 4: lost it because I'm an identical twin right now. The

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00:50:39,462 --> 00:50:42,661
Speaker 4: way that works is the egg split. I thought I

1124
00:50:42,741 --> 00:50:45,462
Speaker 4: was at no greater chance of having twins because it's

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Speaker 4: a completely spontaneous thing that happens inside it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, so that's not genetic.

1127
00:50:50,181 --> 00:50:52,982
Speaker 4: Identical twins are not genetic. Fraternal twins are genetic, and

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Speaker 4: I'm an identical twin. My brothers are identical twins, and

1129
00:50:58,022 --> 00:51:01,661
Speaker 4: these I have the lowest risk. So it's called die

1130
00:51:01,661 --> 00:51:03,661
Speaker 4: die twins, which is they have their own sex and

1131
00:51:03,661 --> 00:51:05,421
Speaker 4: their own placentas, so they.

1132
00:51:05,382 --> 00:51:08,342
Speaker 3: Have their own little room. They have their twins, means

1133
00:51:08,622 --> 00:51:12,062
Speaker 3: they're not going to be able to Well, you and

1134
00:51:12,342 --> 00:51:14,502
Speaker 3: your mind told you and Clare that you were identical

1135
00:51:14,582 --> 00:51:15,582
Speaker 3: for thirty years.

1136
00:51:15,422 --> 00:51:17,542
Speaker 4: And for ages, everyone thought if you have your own

1137
00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:21,022
Speaker 4: sack in your own placenta, then that means you're fraternal.

1138
00:51:21,062 --> 00:51:22,941
Speaker 4: But what they've realized now is it about thirty percent

1139
00:51:22,982 --> 00:51:24,181
Speaker 4: of those actually are identical.

1140
00:51:24,181 --> 00:51:26,022
Speaker 1: They just split early, which is what happened to me.

1141
00:51:26,422 --> 00:51:27,422
Speaker 3: So they are identical.

1142
00:51:27,542 --> 00:51:30,062
Speaker 4: Well, we don't know until they're born, unless I find

1143
00:51:30,062 --> 00:51:31,421
Speaker 4: out that they're a boy and a girl, in which

1144
00:51:31,422 --> 00:51:32,342
Speaker 4: case they're not identical.

1145
00:51:32,502 --> 00:51:34,341
Speaker 1: And I haven't found out gender yet, but I know

1146
00:51:34,462 --> 00:51:35,902
Speaker 1: in my heart that it's two boys.

1147
00:51:36,382 --> 00:51:37,982
Speaker 3: Really, I know it.

1148
00:51:38,181 --> 00:51:40,981
Speaker 1: And Holly, how have you not noticed for the last I.

1149
00:51:40,902 --> 00:51:43,301
Speaker 3: Have noticed that. I'm not saying anything because I'm a

1150
00:51:43,342 --> 00:51:45,742
Speaker 3: grown up. We went out for dinner the other.

1151
00:51:45,622 --> 00:51:48,142
Speaker 1: Week and I couldn't have a glass of wine.

1152
00:51:47,902 --> 00:51:50,142
Speaker 3: But I but like, I know what you've been through,

1153
00:51:50,261 --> 00:51:52,822
Speaker 3: and I am not that person who goes you're pregnant,

1154
00:51:52,862 --> 00:51:54,982
Speaker 3: you're pregnant. You're pregnant, but in the back of my

1155
00:51:55,142 --> 00:51:58,622
Speaker 3: mind a little alarmed. I've been filing away. I think

1156
00:51:58,701 --> 00:52:00,902
Speaker 3: Jesse's pregnant, and I'm so happy for her, but I

1157
00:52:00,942 --> 00:52:02,582
Speaker 3: will be patient.

1158
00:52:02,661 --> 00:52:05,622
Speaker 4: Because I have been disappearing. We have our meetings at

1159
00:52:05,942 --> 00:52:09,742
Speaker 4: eight thirty. Yeah, and then I've been disappearing because I

1160
00:52:10,382 --> 00:52:11,102
Speaker 4: and I sit there.

1161
00:52:11,181 --> 00:52:15,502
Speaker 1: Jesse eleven meals a day, like my appetite for three. Now,

1162
00:52:15,582 --> 00:52:16,422
Speaker 1: I'm meaning for three.

1163
00:52:16,542 --> 00:52:19,301
Speaker 4: I get up, I eat, I have two lunches, I

1164
00:52:19,342 --> 00:52:20,262
Speaker 4: have three dinners.

1165
00:52:20,382 --> 00:52:23,461
Speaker 3: I like, it's just her feeling. Are you feeling good?

1166
00:52:23,462 --> 00:52:25,982
Speaker 1: Are you feeling a little bit nauseous? But fine?

1167
00:52:26,302 --> 00:52:29,622
Speaker 4: So I am just about twelve weeks hopefully.

1168
00:52:29,622 --> 00:52:32,701
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Jesse's.

1169
00:52:31,822 --> 00:52:33,382
Speaker 3: Like the best news.

1170
00:52:33,902 --> 00:52:36,622
Speaker 1: Guys. I'm going to be so big. Can you imagine?

1171
00:52:36,661 --> 00:52:37,542
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's gonna be.

1172
00:52:37,701 --> 00:52:39,221
Speaker 1: Race, It's gonna be We're gonna.

1173
00:52:38,982 --> 00:52:41,702
Speaker 3: Have big of the studio. But she's gonna be sitting

1174
00:52:41,822 --> 00:52:44,981
Speaker 3: all the way. Yeah, and we're gonna need a long

1175
00:52:45,102 --> 00:52:45,502
Speaker 3: arm my.

1176
00:52:46,382 --> 00:52:49,622
Speaker 4: I keep looking at beautiful M who is having a baby.

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00:52:49,661 --> 00:52:52,422
Speaker 3: In five minutes, our producer M sits in with us,

1178
00:52:52,462 --> 00:52:55,622
Speaker 3: and she's very, very pregnant with her beautiful bump, and

1179
00:52:55,661 --> 00:52:57,462
Speaker 3: I just keep going, you look so good, You look

1180
00:52:57,542 --> 00:52:58,582
Speaker 3: so good because she's got one.

1181
00:52:58,622 --> 00:52:59,542
Speaker 1: You should only have one.

1182
00:52:59,582 --> 00:53:02,301
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so excited for you because I know you

1183
00:53:02,342 --> 00:53:04,741
Speaker 3: want a big family, right. I reckon people who are

1184
00:53:04,741 --> 00:53:07,062
Speaker 3: not in twin families like me, i'd be like, oh

1185
00:53:07,062 --> 00:53:08,702
Speaker 3: my god, this is so daunting.

1186
00:53:08,342 --> 00:53:12,502
Speaker 4: But you know, I think it will still be daunting.

1187
00:53:12,661 --> 00:53:15,302
Speaker 4: It's incredibly daunting. And it's like waking up at two am,

1188
00:53:15,342 --> 00:53:16,221
Speaker 4: going how.

1189
00:53:16,142 --> 00:53:18,502
Speaker 1: Will I feed them? Wait? When will I sleep?

1190
00:53:18,822 --> 00:53:18,902
Speaker 5: Like?

1191
00:53:19,582 --> 00:53:20,622
Speaker 1: Where will they sleep?

1192
00:53:20,661 --> 00:53:20,741
Speaker 5: Like?

1193
00:53:20,781 --> 00:53:22,181
Speaker 1: It's incredibly overwhelming.

1194
00:53:22,422 --> 00:53:26,502
Speaker 4: They are due so officially it's meant to be early April,

1195
00:53:26,502 --> 00:53:29,502
Speaker 4: but because twins come early, they have an earlier God.

1196
00:53:29,422 --> 00:53:33,341
Speaker 1: That's not that away. Going to be in two seconds?

1197
00:53:33,342 --> 00:53:38,422
Speaker 3: Shit, oh Jesse, that is the best Friday all time.

1198
00:53:38,542 --> 00:53:39,942
Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to tell the out louders.

1199
00:53:39,942 --> 00:53:41,981
Speaker 4: And the reason I was like needing to tell people

1200
00:53:42,062 --> 00:53:43,782
Speaker 4: is because I look visibly pregnant.

1201
00:53:44,221 --> 00:53:46,542
Speaker 3: I know you've been wearing the bag you got the

1202
00:53:46,542 --> 00:53:47,221
Speaker 3: baggy shirt on.

1203
00:53:47,342 --> 00:53:49,221
Speaker 4: She's not going to waste and I'm like, gods, I

1204
00:53:49,302 --> 00:53:50,982
Speaker 4: got to let the gut out. I got to do

1205
00:53:51,022 --> 00:53:53,221
Speaker 4: my Megan Markle rub of my tummy because that's what

1206
00:53:53,221 --> 00:53:53,942
Speaker 4: I feel like doing.

1207
00:53:54,622 --> 00:53:56,982
Speaker 1: Told me that woman is so.

1208
00:53:56,982 --> 00:53:59,502
Speaker 3: Excited, Oh my god, she would be. I'm surprised she

1209
00:53:59,542 --> 00:54:02,022
Speaker 3: still went away. The chaos that is going to rain

1210
00:54:02,102 --> 00:54:05,422
Speaker 3: in your house for several years is just going to

1211
00:54:05,462 --> 00:54:06,462
Speaker 3: be the most fun.

1212
00:54:06,622 --> 00:54:11,701
Speaker 4: We've got more more little out louders coming happy, very exciting.

1213
00:54:12,102 --> 00:54:14,142
Speaker 3: I don't know how we all get together after that.

1214
00:54:14,462 --> 00:54:17,341
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be telling you about parenting out Loud, which,

1215
00:54:17,382 --> 00:54:19,381
Speaker 3: as you all know, but God, you're really gonna need

1216
00:54:19,382 --> 00:54:21,341
Speaker 3: that show. Yeah I am, which now has its own

1217
00:54:21,382 --> 00:54:23,542
Speaker 3: own feed, so go and search and find it if

1218
00:54:23,542 --> 00:54:25,902
Speaker 3: you're into that. Thank you to all of you for

1219
00:54:25,942 --> 00:54:28,262
Speaker 3: being with us this week and for sharing Jesse's beautiful

1220
00:54:28,302 --> 00:54:31,582
Speaker 3: news with us. Jesse M. Thank our amazing team. A

1221
00:54:31,582 --> 00:54:32,862
Speaker 3: big thank you to our team.

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00:54:32,942 --> 00:54:36,742
Speaker 2: Our group executive producer Rude Devine, our executive producers Emiline

1223
00:54:36,741 --> 00:54:38,182
Speaker 2: Gazillas and Sashatanic.

1224
00:54:38,462 --> 00:54:42,062
Speaker 4: Our senior audio producer is Leah Porgies. Our video producer

1225
00:54:42,181 --> 00:54:44,582
Speaker 4: is Josh Green. Fun fact about Josh Green before we go,

1226
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Speaker 4: I think, get my coffee from a new place. Speaking

1227
00:54:47,422 --> 00:54:49,421
Speaker 4: of glimmers and just things that make your life good.

1228
00:54:49,462 --> 00:54:51,542
Speaker 4: You know, Josh Green goes every morning and just sits

1229
00:54:51,542 --> 00:54:54,262
Speaker 4: in a cafe and reads a book paperback every morning.

1230
00:54:54,261 --> 00:54:55,942
Speaker 4: I see him and I go, that's the most wholesome

1231
00:54:55,982 --> 00:54:58,622
Speaker 4: shit I have said. Loved that you're doing life for

1232
00:54:58,942 --> 00:54:59,341
Speaker 4: that man.

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Speaker 3: It's also a really good drummer, is he Yeah? He plays.

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Speaker 3: This is the thing. I want to be one of

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00:55:03,982 --> 00:55:06,422
Speaker 3: those people with lots of interests. Yes, that seems like

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00:55:06,622 --> 00:55:08,502
Speaker 3: what does he do at night? But he plays? I

1237
00:55:08,582 --> 00:55:10,062
Speaker 3: bet that's doing so much.

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00:55:10,462 --> 00:55:13,942
Speaker 1: He doesn't scroll. He doesn't scroll. And our junior content

1239
00:55:13,982 --> 00:55:15,782
Speaker 1: producers are Coco and Tessa.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye on this floor this week.

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Speaker 1: By goodbye.

1242
00:55:20,502 --> 00:55:23,382
Speaker 3: Shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you

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00:55:23,542 --> 00:55:26,421
Speaker 3: love the show and you want to support us, subscribing

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