1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:15,385 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges the 2 00:00:15,425 --> 00:00:18,545 Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 3 00:00:18,585 --> 00:00:22,505 Speaker 1: recorded on. Hey you busily here popping into your feed 4 00:00:22,505 --> 00:00:24,345 Speaker 1: because I want to tell you about an episode of 5 00:00:24,385 --> 00:00:28,305 Speaker 1: Nothing to Wear that I received so so many dms about, 6 00:00:28,745 --> 00:00:31,145 Speaker 1: and I chat to an incredible expert about body shapes, 7 00:00:31,225 --> 00:00:33,345 Speaker 1: not in the old school way you think from magazines, 8 00:00:33,385 --> 00:00:35,825 Speaker 1: but how your body changes as you age or you 9 00:00:35,905 --> 00:00:38,065 Speaker 1: go through life stages, and how you can make little 10 00:00:38,065 --> 00:00:40,425 Speaker 1: tweaks with your wardrobe and how you style your clothes 11 00:00:40,465 --> 00:00:43,465 Speaker 1: to feel absolutely fabulous. So we're popping the episode here. 12 00:00:45,425 --> 00:00:48,225 Speaker 1: Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously. 13 00:00:47,825 --> 00:00:50,745 Speaker 2: Disturved laurels for spraying groundbreaking? 14 00:00:51,025 --> 00:00:52,865 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you have to do it. 15 00:00:52,905 --> 00:00:54,145 Speaker 2: You live for fashion. 16 00:00:55,585 --> 00:00:58,625 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 17 00:00:58,705 --> 00:01:02,705 Speaker 1: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, 18 00:01:02,745 --> 00:01:05,465 Speaker 1: and every week I talk to an expert who helps 19 00:01:05,545 --> 00:01:07,105 Speaker 1: us work out how to get more out of the 20 00:01:07,185 --> 00:01:10,065 Speaker 1: clothes we already own and tells us exactly what is 21 00:01:10,145 --> 00:01:14,185 Speaker 1: and importantly what isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. We 22 00:01:14,225 --> 00:01:19,425 Speaker 1: will all face it eventually, perimenopause and menopause. As I 23 00:01:19,625 --> 00:01:24,185 Speaker 1: enter my own experience, I'm learning just how many symptoms 24 00:01:24,305 --> 00:01:27,345 Speaker 1: can come along with the transition. For a full rundown 25 00:01:27,425 --> 00:01:30,505 Speaker 1: on perimenopause and menopause and this whole life stage. I 26 00:01:30,545 --> 00:01:34,025 Speaker 1: could not recommend more. Hollywaen Wrts podcast mid It's a 27 00:01:34,025 --> 00:01:36,665 Speaker 1: deep dive on that whole life stage. Here, though, we're 28 00:01:36,705 --> 00:01:40,145 Speaker 1: focusing on how these changes impact our body because there's 29 00:01:40,185 --> 00:01:43,065 Speaker 1: a body type and a body shape, and hormones like 30 00:01:43,105 --> 00:01:45,545 Speaker 1: to mess with all of that, and in turn that 31 00:01:45,625 --> 00:01:49,425 Speaker 1: might change our fashion choices. I've brought back stylist and 32 00:01:49,505 --> 00:01:52,625 Speaker 1: color expert Kim Crowley to explain how our body shapes 33 00:01:52,705 --> 00:01:55,225 Speaker 1: evolve and how we can dress in harmony with these 34 00:01:55,305 --> 00:01:59,065 Speaker 1: changes rather than fighting against them. So, Kim, first you 35 00:01:59,145 --> 00:02:01,505 Speaker 1: came and blew our mind with color. Now we're going 36 00:02:01,545 --> 00:02:04,105 Speaker 1: to talk about body shapes, particularly how they relate to 37 00:02:04,185 --> 00:02:09,185 Speaker 1: dressing for perimenopause and menopause. I am at the opening 38 00:02:09,785 --> 00:02:13,425 Speaker 1: cave of tunnel of parity and I'm feeling all kinds 39 00:02:13,465 --> 00:02:16,505 Speaker 1: of ways. So you want to talk about how our 40 00:02:16,545 --> 00:02:19,225 Speaker 1: bodies change, how to understand our body shape, how to 41 00:02:19,385 --> 00:02:22,985 Speaker 1: dress for that, what flattering even means when we say flattering, 42 00:02:23,025 --> 00:02:26,025 Speaker 1: because things have changed a lot and language is changing 43 00:02:26,025 --> 00:02:28,625 Speaker 1: in the industry, which is good. Absolutely, talk to me 44 00:02:28,665 --> 00:02:31,265 Speaker 1: about shapes, silhouettes, tell me everything. You know. 45 00:02:32,625 --> 00:02:34,625 Speaker 2: We might have a here a while, But I do 46 00:02:34,745 --> 00:02:37,545 Speaker 2: premise this chat by saying that I have these conversations 47 00:02:37,545 --> 00:02:41,945 Speaker 2: with menopausal women, but it's all the dressing strategies and 48 00:02:42,025 --> 00:02:45,385 Speaker 2: concepts are relevant for any woman who's struggling to flatter 49 00:02:45,425 --> 00:02:48,425 Speaker 2: her body, to work out what she feels good in she. 50 00:02:48,425 --> 00:02:51,105 Speaker 1: Feels good exactly, Because Mia talks a lot about when 51 00:02:51,145 --> 00:02:53,505 Speaker 1: she started to go through menopause. She said, her body's 52 00:02:53,545 --> 00:02:54,545 Speaker 1: trying to become a circle. 53 00:02:54,665 --> 00:02:55,705 Speaker 2: Yes, is that common book? 54 00:02:55,785 --> 00:02:55,985 Speaker 1: Yes? 55 00:02:56,265 --> 00:03:00,185 Speaker 2: Absolutely, that blob, that circle, that rounding, that's what we're 56 00:03:00,185 --> 00:03:01,785 Speaker 2: going to get to. So we're gonna hover over that 57 00:03:01,865 --> 00:03:02,945 Speaker 2: body shape quite a lot. 58 00:03:03,065 --> 00:03:04,985 Speaker 1: Okay, gosh, we've got a lot to look forward to, 59 00:03:05,105 --> 00:03:08,545 Speaker 1: don't we. All right, so can you begin by describing 60 00:03:08,905 --> 00:03:11,385 Speaker 1: the term or the different body shapes to women, because 61 00:03:11,385 --> 00:03:13,225 Speaker 1: back when I worked in magazines, gosh, there was apples 62 00:03:13,265 --> 00:03:15,505 Speaker 1: and peers and yeah, you're probably bringing the perspective of 63 00:03:15,545 --> 00:03:17,105 Speaker 1: creating clothes for women. 64 00:03:16,985 --> 00:03:19,305 Speaker 2: Exactly, and the different shapes of women and That's why 65 00:03:19,385 --> 00:03:22,065 Speaker 2: being able to give some guidelines around body type is 66 00:03:22,105 --> 00:03:24,465 Speaker 2: brilliant because then it helps with the kind of guidelines 67 00:03:24,505 --> 00:03:27,425 Speaker 2: to what will suit one shape versus another, because obviously 68 00:03:27,465 --> 00:03:31,105 Speaker 2: we're all different. Yes, so generally there's five different female 69 00:03:31,105 --> 00:03:34,065 Speaker 2: body types which are often compared to fruit or geometric 70 00:03:34,105 --> 00:03:36,745 Speaker 2: shapes and all the beautiful things that we're compared to 71 00:03:36,785 --> 00:03:39,825 Speaker 2: as women. Yes, however, I have a sixth which we'll 72 00:03:39,825 --> 00:03:41,545 Speaker 2: talk about as well as we kind of go through. 73 00:03:41,745 --> 00:03:44,225 Speaker 2: But the way I measure body type is much more 74 00:03:44,305 --> 00:03:47,265 Speaker 2: by I rather than with the tape measure. 75 00:03:47,505 --> 00:03:50,505 Speaker 1: That gets very scientific and also you can sometimes just 76 00:03:50,585 --> 00:03:52,385 Speaker 1: don't feel great getting out the measuring tape. 77 00:03:52,505 --> 00:03:56,185 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't put a measure tacher in a body's body. Basically, 78 00:03:56,385 --> 00:03:59,905 Speaker 2: the way I measure is to compare our bodies horizontally, okay, 79 00:04:00,225 --> 00:04:02,465 Speaker 2: on the horizontal and then on the vertical, like as 80 00:04:02,465 --> 00:04:06,545 Speaker 2: if I was lying down you mean looking, yes, looking 81 00:04:06,585 --> 00:04:10,425 Speaker 2: outside to side, Okay, So horizontally, that about our two 82 00:04:10,545 --> 00:04:12,945 Speaker 2: widest parts we might have as women. So number one 83 00:04:13,105 --> 00:04:16,025 Speaker 2: is shoulder and orbust to this upper region as I 84 00:04:16,145 --> 00:04:18,785 Speaker 2: call it, and then number two is hip and or 85 00:04:18,865 --> 00:04:20,985 Speaker 2: fight lower region as I call it, And that's how 86 00:04:21,065 --> 00:04:24,025 Speaker 2: I'll refer to it. Upper region body lower region, okay, 87 00:04:24,065 --> 00:04:27,865 Speaker 2: And our body type is how balanced or unbalanced those 88 00:04:27,865 --> 00:04:30,705 Speaker 2: two areas are. That's a lot of what basically when 89 00:04:30,745 --> 00:04:32,785 Speaker 2: we're judging it and we're trying to define it, that's 90 00:04:32,825 --> 00:04:33,985 Speaker 2: what we're kind of looking at. 91 00:04:34,065 --> 00:04:36,145 Speaker 1: So women can kind of work this out by looking 92 00:04:36,145 --> 00:04:40,545 Speaker 1: in the mirror and figuring or something no tape measure. 93 00:04:40,345 --> 00:04:45,545 Speaker 2: Ideally in your undies ideally because they're flatter generally, Yeah, 94 00:04:45,585 --> 00:04:47,945 Speaker 2: you can get a bit more of a kind of understanding, okay. 95 00:04:48,425 --> 00:04:50,905 Speaker 2: And often we get confused because a lot of female 96 00:04:50,905 --> 00:04:53,745 Speaker 2: body types are combination of two, and that's when it 97 00:04:53,745 --> 00:04:55,145 Speaker 2: gets complicated. 98 00:04:54,705 --> 00:04:56,985 Speaker 1: And or has changed. So you used to be this, 99 00:04:57,505 --> 00:04:59,945 Speaker 1: now your body's this one, and that's why the clothes 100 00:05:00,025 --> 00:05:01,745 Speaker 1: you used to love don't feel the thing. 101 00:05:01,785 --> 00:05:04,425 Speaker 2: And this is why it's hard, because we might have 102 00:05:04,545 --> 00:05:06,385 Speaker 2: nailed what we used to be, but oh yeah, I've 103 00:05:06,385 --> 00:05:09,385 Speaker 2: got this look, and then fashion changes, or our body changes, 104 00:05:09,465 --> 00:05:12,665 Speaker 2: or our likes and dislikes changes, all of all the exactly, 105 00:05:12,745 --> 00:05:14,665 Speaker 2: all at the same time. It feels like over the 106 00:05:14,665 --> 00:05:16,225 Speaker 2: same week, and then you're coming out there and. 107 00:05:16,225 --> 00:05:18,665 Speaker 1: Going, oh, got nothing to wear exactly. That's what you're 108 00:05:18,745 --> 00:05:23,465 Speaker 1: here exactly? Okay, So we're gonna learn how to work 109 00:05:23,505 --> 00:05:25,505 Speaker 1: out our proportions and then work out what makes us 110 00:05:25,545 --> 00:05:27,665 Speaker 1: feel great. Can you kick things off with the first 111 00:05:27,665 --> 00:05:31,545 Speaker 1: body type? So a rectangle slash athletic? Yes, what is this? 112 00:05:31,625 --> 00:05:33,625 Speaker 2: So this is when you're pretty balanced from your top 113 00:05:33,625 --> 00:05:36,065 Speaker 2: region to your bottom region and with very little curved 114 00:05:36,105 --> 00:05:38,625 Speaker 2: through your body, so you resemble more of a rectangle 115 00:05:38,745 --> 00:05:42,025 Speaker 2: basically from shoulder to hip. Generally you're pretty lean, you 116 00:05:42,025 --> 00:05:44,545 Speaker 2: don't tend to put on weight very easily, otherwise known 117 00:05:44,585 --> 00:05:46,705 Speaker 2: as an ectomorph, and this is actually one of the 118 00:05:46,785 --> 00:05:48,065 Speaker 2: most common body types. 119 00:05:48,185 --> 00:05:52,705 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, interesting triangle, rectangle, Sorry, tangle, I'm not very 120 00:05:52,745 --> 00:05:54,985 Speaker 1: good with my shapes. What's number two? Am I getting 121 00:05:54,985 --> 00:05:55,825 Speaker 1: ahead of myself? 122 00:05:57,185 --> 00:06:00,145 Speaker 2: Inverted triangle? That is exactly the next one inverted, So 123 00:06:00,345 --> 00:06:02,785 Speaker 2: inverted triangle, so the point is at the bottom, so 124 00:06:02,825 --> 00:06:04,225 Speaker 2: an upside down capital a. 125 00:06:04,585 --> 00:06:05,745 Speaker 1: Okay, I like it. 126 00:06:05,945 --> 00:06:08,585 Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is when you're broadest at your top region. 127 00:06:08,625 --> 00:06:11,065 Speaker 2: Then you taper to all your hip and thigh otherwise 128 00:06:11,065 --> 00:06:12,785 Speaker 2: known as a mesomorph. You want to get scientific, but 129 00:06:12,825 --> 00:06:14,945 Speaker 2: we don't have to know. You can have a tendency 130 00:06:14,985 --> 00:06:18,105 Speaker 2: to feel top heavy because your shoulder and your bust 131 00:06:18,145 --> 00:06:21,425 Speaker 2: is your widest part. Generally, your legs your best feature. 132 00:06:22,025 --> 00:06:24,425 Speaker 2: So that's often what we want to kind of show off. 133 00:06:24,545 --> 00:06:28,745 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's a upside down triangle. Number three. A 134 00:06:28,825 --> 00:06:32,705 Speaker 1: pair Okay, yes, so a pair a lot of women appears. 135 00:06:32,785 --> 00:06:35,585 Speaker 1: Quite a lot of women are reproductive stuff happening. 136 00:06:35,745 --> 00:06:37,705 Speaker 2: Yes, But the thing is, we're not often as big 137 00:06:37,785 --> 00:06:39,465 Speaker 2: or as heavy down there as often we might think. 138 00:06:39,545 --> 00:06:42,225 Speaker 2: So sometimes we feel heavy down there, but actually when 139 00:06:42,265 --> 00:06:44,185 Speaker 2: we look at ourselves, I'm not. Actually you're not a pair, 140 00:06:44,225 --> 00:06:45,865 Speaker 2: because when you look in front of the mirror, your 141 00:06:45,865 --> 00:06:50,025 Speaker 2: shoulder and your hip or thigh actually balance out beautifully. 142 00:06:50,505 --> 00:06:51,305 Speaker 2: Do you see what I mean? 143 00:06:51,545 --> 00:06:53,065 Speaker 1: Yes, but no, I want to take all my clothes 144 00:06:53,105 --> 00:06:54,945 Speaker 1: off a look in the mirror, but I won't right now, 145 00:06:54,985 --> 00:06:58,065 Speaker 1: But I don't. But that's interesting. 146 00:06:58,385 --> 00:07:01,265 Speaker 2: Often they can be a lot more balanced than we think. Okay, yeah, 147 00:07:01,305 --> 00:07:05,145 Speaker 2: it's really interesting. Okay, So a pair is more she's 148 00:07:05,185 --> 00:07:07,305 Speaker 2: basically the complete opposite to number two, Opposite to the 149 00:07:07,385 --> 00:07:09,985 Speaker 2: inverted triangle. She is more of a capital a shape. 150 00:07:10,785 --> 00:07:15,225 Speaker 2: She is heavier around the thigh and the bottom and 151 00:07:15,265 --> 00:07:19,385 Speaker 2: then tapers towards the shoulder. Okay, so basically, lots of 152 00:07:19,385 --> 00:07:22,225 Speaker 2: my pear shapes are very slim waists in comparison to 153 00:07:22,265 --> 00:07:25,305 Speaker 2: their widest parts, so they're often emphasizing that waist, and 154 00:07:25,345 --> 00:07:28,025 Speaker 2: then they have a beautiful curve out and over the hip, 155 00:07:28,305 --> 00:07:30,345 Speaker 2: so you see them and they just look very feminine 156 00:07:30,345 --> 00:07:32,705 Speaker 2: and quite gorgeous. We're looking at a horizontal, but we're 157 00:07:32,705 --> 00:07:34,825 Speaker 2: also looking at a vertical. So what I mean by 158 00:07:34,825 --> 00:07:38,745 Speaker 2: that when I'm talking vertical is your torso length versus 159 00:07:38,785 --> 00:07:39,465 Speaker 2: your leg. 160 00:07:39,385 --> 00:07:42,745 Speaker 1: Length, okay, and kind of cutting out body in half 161 00:07:43,385 --> 00:07:43,865 Speaker 1: the top and then. 162 00:07:43,785 --> 00:07:46,105 Speaker 2: The bottom exactly, so it's about four had lengths on 163 00:07:46,145 --> 00:07:48,905 Speaker 2: the top and then four on the bottom. Okay. And 164 00:07:48,985 --> 00:07:51,425 Speaker 2: so basically what generally happens as a pair, if you're 165 00:07:51,465 --> 00:07:53,665 Speaker 2: putting most of your weight on on your bottom of body, 166 00:07:53,705 --> 00:07:56,865 Speaker 2: generally that's where you're the shortest. So often my pairs 167 00:07:56,985 --> 00:08:01,105 Speaker 2: will have longer torsos and then because they have shorter legs, 168 00:08:01,185 --> 00:08:03,585 Speaker 2: that's where they'll put on their weight. Okay, does that 169 00:08:03,625 --> 00:08:06,945 Speaker 2: make sense? And that's often the case. Obviously I'm generalizing 170 00:08:06,985 --> 00:08:10,705 Speaker 2: a bit, yea. If we've got a longer torso, we're 171 00:08:10,745 --> 00:08:14,625 Speaker 2: spreading out our weight over a longer space and our 172 00:08:14,665 --> 00:08:17,225 Speaker 2: bottom of body is our shortest and that's where we 173 00:08:17,305 --> 00:08:19,785 Speaker 2: put on weight and we feel heavier in those areas. 174 00:08:19,945 --> 00:08:24,385 Speaker 1: That makes sense, Okay, So what's number four is. 175 00:08:24,305 --> 00:08:28,145 Speaker 2: An hour glass? Okay, because when we're talking about our glass, 176 00:08:28,185 --> 00:08:31,185 Speaker 2: our glasses, when we're basically two triangles, comes in at 177 00:08:31,225 --> 00:08:33,985 Speaker 2: the waist. So basically her top region is a similar 178 00:08:34,065 --> 00:08:37,425 Speaker 2: dress size to the bottom region, but curving in considerably 179 00:08:37,625 --> 00:08:39,625 Speaker 2: at the waist. Okay, So if we don't use like 180 00:08:39,625 --> 00:08:41,705 Speaker 2: the old school measurement of defining an our glass, you 181 00:08:41,705 --> 00:08:43,225 Speaker 2: have to be something like, I think it's nine inches 182 00:08:43,305 --> 00:08:44,945 Speaker 2: or something different between. 183 00:08:45,665 --> 00:08:49,705 Speaker 1: Like specific measurements. Oh yes, wow, that's very prescriptive. 184 00:08:49,745 --> 00:08:53,225 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly, and because you know, back along it 185 00:08:53,305 --> 00:08:56,345 Speaker 2: might have been that obviously, you know, we were particular shapes, 186 00:08:56,385 --> 00:08:58,585 Speaker 2: but nowadays, I mean, diet has changed, the way we 187 00:08:58,625 --> 00:09:00,745 Speaker 2: live has changed a lot. So that's why I mean 188 00:09:00,785 --> 00:09:02,345 Speaker 2: more often a combination of two. 189 00:09:02,465 --> 00:09:07,105 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you know, we're celebrating individuality in exactly fully 190 00:09:07,145 --> 00:09:08,545 Speaker 1: putting everyone in these buckets. 191 00:09:08,745 --> 00:09:11,585 Speaker 2: This is a general guar absolutely, and we kind of 192 00:09:11,665 --> 00:09:13,465 Speaker 2: need guides in a way to be able to put 193 00:09:13,505 --> 00:09:16,385 Speaker 2: guidelines because a lot of my pairs might not feel 194 00:09:16,505 --> 00:09:19,425 Speaker 2: very comfortable in a pencil skirt, but they would feel 195 00:09:19,425 --> 00:09:21,545 Speaker 2: more happy in an a line skirt that works with 196 00:09:21,665 --> 00:09:22,865 Speaker 2: their beautiful body shapes. 197 00:09:23,305 --> 00:09:25,665 Speaker 1: Does that make sense totally? So it helps cut out 198 00:09:25,705 --> 00:09:27,385 Speaker 1: a lot of the clutter to start with, and you 199 00:09:27,465 --> 00:09:29,545 Speaker 1: start looking for particular shapes and you think you're going 200 00:09:29,545 --> 00:09:30,225 Speaker 1: to feel good in. 201 00:09:30,305 --> 00:09:33,665 Speaker 2: It's all about flipping script. It's about emphasizing and enjoying 202 00:09:33,665 --> 00:09:36,065 Speaker 2: our best bits rather than going, oh my worst bit 203 00:09:36,145 --> 00:09:38,545 Speaker 2: is this, and I'm do you know what I mean? 204 00:09:37,785 --> 00:09:42,225 Speaker 2: We're flipping it and thinking, actually, I love my long 205 00:09:42,305 --> 00:09:45,625 Speaker 2: legs for example, with avertri triangle for example. And so 206 00:09:45,745 --> 00:09:48,385 Speaker 2: they'll enjoy that and they'll wear and buy garments that 207 00:09:48,505 --> 00:09:49,585 Speaker 2: emphasize that, and. 208 00:09:49,505 --> 00:09:51,305 Speaker 1: Then it just helps to go shopping or once you 209 00:09:51,345 --> 00:09:54,385 Speaker 1: know this information, reassess what's in your order and you're like, oh, 210 00:09:54,465 --> 00:09:54,745 Speaker 1: that's what. 211 00:09:56,505 --> 00:09:59,065 Speaker 2: Those exactly, because it's actually putting a bit of science 212 00:09:59,065 --> 00:10:01,825 Speaker 2: around it and why those geometric shapes. Although I hate 213 00:10:01,865 --> 00:10:03,785 Speaker 2: you using a lot of those fruit and the shapes, 214 00:10:04,065 --> 00:10:05,585 Speaker 2: it kind of does give us a visual and then 215 00:10:05,625 --> 00:10:07,625 Speaker 2: you can kind of understand what you put the science 216 00:10:07,665 --> 00:10:10,185 Speaker 2: behind it, and it will makes sense you. Ah, that's 217 00:10:10,265 --> 00:10:10,705 Speaker 2: why I. 218 00:10:10,665 --> 00:10:13,665 Speaker 1: Go for that neckliine exactly. I've avoided that exactly. 219 00:10:13,745 --> 00:10:16,225 Speaker 2: So a lot of my inverted triangles that feel broader 220 00:10:16,225 --> 00:10:18,505 Speaker 2: across their shoulder. I think it is an amazing thing. 221 00:10:18,705 --> 00:10:20,785 Speaker 2: Your look is stronger in all the respite. But they 222 00:10:20,865 --> 00:10:23,265 Speaker 2: might not want to look even wider, so they avoid 223 00:10:23,305 --> 00:10:26,265 Speaker 2: puffs in their sleeves, they avoid heavy shoulder. 224 00:10:26,305 --> 00:10:28,705 Speaker 1: But perhaps I haven't really even known why they're drawn 225 00:10:28,745 --> 00:10:32,065 Speaker 1: to certain styles. Okay, yes, because it's important, I guess 226 00:10:32,105 --> 00:10:35,865 Speaker 1: also to point out that these shapes can be any size. 227 00:10:36,185 --> 00:10:38,825 Speaker 1: Size six, can be sized twenty sixs size. 228 00:10:38,865 --> 00:10:40,625 Speaker 2: It's not about size at all. You know what I 229 00:10:40,665 --> 00:10:42,385 Speaker 2: do here and really upsets me is a lot of 230 00:10:42,425 --> 00:10:44,265 Speaker 2: women come to me and they're like, oh, I'm sorry, 231 00:10:44,305 --> 00:10:46,825 Speaker 2: but I'm a size twenty. I'm like, why are you 232 00:10:46,905 --> 00:10:49,305 Speaker 2: apologizing to me? I don't care what size you are. 233 00:10:49,385 --> 00:10:51,265 Speaker 2: Don I just care that you know how to wear 234 00:10:51,345 --> 00:10:53,305 Speaker 2: the clothes that are meant for you, because certain clothes 235 00:10:53,305 --> 00:10:55,065 Speaker 2: aren't meant for you. It's the same mccolor. 236 00:10:55,105 --> 00:10:56,505 Speaker 1: I just know how to find stuff that makes it 237 00:10:56,545 --> 00:10:57,345 Speaker 1: feel absolutely. 238 00:10:57,385 --> 00:10:59,065 Speaker 2: I want to introduce you to brands, want to introduce 239 00:10:59,145 --> 00:11:01,785 Speaker 2: to styles. I want to introduce you to fabrics, cuts, 240 00:11:02,025 --> 00:11:05,505 Speaker 2: and also little design details that mean that you're gonna 241 00:11:05,625 --> 00:11:06,985 Speaker 2: love and wear this. 242 00:11:06,945 --> 00:11:10,345 Speaker 1: Garment and look forward to getting drinkly exactly. Yes, it's 243 00:11:10,465 --> 00:11:11,625 Speaker 1: not about size. 244 00:11:11,745 --> 00:11:13,185 Speaker 2: I like outsize at all. 245 00:11:23,465 --> 00:11:26,025 Speaker 1: Flattering. We hear this is very flattering on this person 246 00:11:26,105 --> 00:11:29,785 Speaker 1: that person. Flattering is an interesting word, and it's been 247 00:11:30,185 --> 00:11:36,345 Speaker 1: evaluated because I could wear a giant, puffy balloon shape 248 00:11:36,465 --> 00:11:40,225 Speaker 1: that's not quote unquote flattering If it makes me feel fabulous. Yep, 249 00:11:40,385 --> 00:11:42,385 Speaker 1: I feel confident. I go about my day or my 250 00:11:42,665 --> 00:11:45,305 Speaker 1: vent or whatever, and that's good. So what are your 251 00:11:45,345 --> 00:11:46,985 Speaker 1: thoughts on the word flattering while we're here. 252 00:11:47,065 --> 00:11:49,305 Speaker 2: I think that's a really really interesting word. The way 253 00:11:49,345 --> 00:11:51,585 Speaker 2: I define two kind of looks that gen and I 254 00:11:51,585 --> 00:11:54,745 Speaker 2: deal with and I encourage women to dress into is 255 00:11:54,785 --> 00:11:57,105 Speaker 2: either flattering, so flattering your body shape. So once you 256 00:11:57,185 --> 00:12:00,665 Speaker 2: understand your best bits, let's emphasize them, let's go for it, 257 00:12:00,705 --> 00:12:02,905 Speaker 2: and let's make a real thing of showing them off, 258 00:12:03,185 --> 00:12:06,185 Speaker 2: or we do fashion. Often fashion can be more oversized, 259 00:12:06,265 --> 00:12:09,105 Speaker 2: it can be baggier clothes. It can be for example, 260 00:12:09,185 --> 00:12:11,585 Speaker 2: oversized lasers. Right, go for. 261 00:12:11,585 --> 00:12:13,945 Speaker 1: Fashion or go for flattering, so you'll find out what 262 00:12:13,985 --> 00:12:17,105 Speaker 1: that particular client's trying to achieve. Yes, exactly, and we'll 263 00:12:17,145 --> 00:12:19,905 Speaker 1: put them on this makeshift barometer, right, flattering at one end, 264 00:12:20,105 --> 00:12:20,825 Speaker 1: fashion at the other. 265 00:12:21,865 --> 00:12:24,945 Speaker 2: But when we start playing with clothes and we're creating 266 00:12:24,985 --> 00:12:27,665 Speaker 2: looks that aren't flattering us our shape, you know, they 267 00:12:27,705 --> 00:12:30,785 Speaker 2: don't show off our beautiful button waiste and whatever, and 268 00:12:30,825 --> 00:12:33,865 Speaker 2: they're not fashion either. They're mediocre. They're the ones that 269 00:12:33,905 --> 00:12:35,985 Speaker 2: slip down the middle and they're boring. And so it's 270 00:12:35,985 --> 00:12:37,345 Speaker 2: really easy because if you if. 271 00:12:37,225 --> 00:12:39,665 Speaker 1: You're trying to strike both and you're striking nothing or 272 00:12:39,665 --> 00:12:40,505 Speaker 1: you don't really know. 273 00:12:40,665 --> 00:12:43,585 Speaker 2: Yes exactly exactly, you're not. Yeah, you're trying to strike both. 274 00:12:43,785 --> 00:12:46,665 Speaker 2: Because sometimes there's things that are flattering and fashion, like 275 00:12:46,705 --> 00:12:48,865 Speaker 2: a white sneaker, Right, how has that been in fashion? 276 00:12:50,265 --> 00:12:52,785 Speaker 1: You're going to use them really quote unquote cool. 277 00:12:52,985 --> 00:12:54,825 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they work for everybody, you know, we wear 278 00:12:54,825 --> 00:12:57,505 Speaker 2: them daily. They're comfortable, they tick so many boxes. So 279 00:12:57,585 --> 00:13:01,345 Speaker 2: that's something that's flattering and fashionable. Okay, But often things 280 00:13:01,385 --> 00:13:03,905 Speaker 2: are one or the other. And when we're throwing on 281 00:13:03,945 --> 00:13:06,745 Speaker 2: that old gray oversized top that because we're not really 282 00:13:06,745 --> 00:13:08,385 Speaker 2: sure what to wear with, you know, we've often put 283 00:13:08,425 --> 00:13:11,105 Speaker 2: on a bit of weight. That's the time when we're like, oh, 284 00:13:11,265 --> 00:13:13,585 Speaker 2: feel a bit nah in this, Yeah, feel a bit mediocre. 285 00:13:13,665 --> 00:13:15,665 Speaker 2: We look at ourselves in the mirror. And I mentioned 286 00:13:15,665 --> 00:13:18,665 Speaker 2: this on you know, our shopping podcast Spiral, where we 287 00:13:18,705 --> 00:13:20,545 Speaker 2: look in the mirror we're like, oh, feel a bit 288 00:13:20,625 --> 00:13:22,825 Speaker 2: naph in this. I think I'm putting on weight. And 289 00:13:22,865 --> 00:13:25,145 Speaker 2: we wear the garment that makes us look like we've 290 00:13:25,145 --> 00:13:27,185 Speaker 2: put on weight. So we look at ourselves in the 291 00:13:27,225 --> 00:13:29,705 Speaker 2: mirror like, oh, don't feel great, I'm going to exist 292 00:13:29,745 --> 00:13:30,425 Speaker 2: on small. 293 00:13:30,545 --> 00:13:32,625 Speaker 1: It's just we shrink back exactly. 294 00:13:32,825 --> 00:13:35,185 Speaker 2: We how we don't smile when it stand up, we're not, 295 00:13:35,225 --> 00:13:38,145 Speaker 2: you know, and all that internal narrative is different because 296 00:13:38,145 --> 00:13:40,145 Speaker 2: we're looking at ourselves and it's validating the fact that 297 00:13:40,145 --> 00:13:42,865 Speaker 2: we might have put me and we might all that's fine, 298 00:13:42,865 --> 00:13:45,345 Speaker 2: but we'd want to dress to enjoy our body rather 299 00:13:45,385 --> 00:13:47,745 Speaker 2: than cover it in a big blanket or sheet that 300 00:13:47,865 --> 00:13:50,145 Speaker 2: often we do soon as we put on a bit 301 00:13:50,185 --> 00:13:51,945 Speaker 2: of weight. And that's what's really interesting about like the 302 00:13:52,025 --> 00:13:53,385 Speaker 2: menopause side. 303 00:13:53,145 --> 00:13:56,225 Speaker 1: Of things, because traditionally women do put on weight, and 304 00:13:56,265 --> 00:13:57,585 Speaker 1: particularly how the middle. 305 00:13:57,425 --> 00:14:00,945 Speaker 2: But putting on something that is so big and swamps 306 00:14:01,025 --> 00:14:04,265 Speaker 2: us is the worst thing you can do for your confidence. Yeah, okay, 307 00:14:04,345 --> 00:14:05,145 Speaker 2: the trouble This. 308 00:14:05,065 --> 00:14:06,545 Speaker 1: Is where I think a lot of women just don't 309 00:14:06,545 --> 00:14:08,825 Speaker 1: know what to do at this live state. Absolutely back 310 00:14:08,865 --> 00:14:11,065 Speaker 1: to out of glass. I mean, I'm thinking, Marilyn Monroe. 311 00:14:11,145 --> 00:14:15,185 Speaker 1: I'm absolutely exactly whether or not that's achieved naturally or not. 312 00:14:15,905 --> 00:14:18,105 Speaker 1: How many of us are actual hour glasses? 313 00:14:18,465 --> 00:14:21,785 Speaker 2: A very small amount. Oh so only about nine percent 314 00:14:21,825 --> 00:14:23,625 Speaker 2: if you get all scientific, is about nine percent. I 315 00:14:23,625 --> 00:14:25,785 Speaker 2: mean it's ridiculously small. But as I said, I just 316 00:14:25,785 --> 00:14:27,625 Speaker 2: look at a woman. If she's balanced from her top 317 00:14:27,665 --> 00:14:30,345 Speaker 2: region to her bottom, and she curves in significantly at 318 00:14:30,385 --> 00:14:32,345 Speaker 2: the waist, she can't be a size six, shed can't 319 00:14:32,345 --> 00:14:34,265 Speaker 2: be a size twenty six, don't care. But she's now 320 00:14:34,345 --> 00:14:35,265 Speaker 2: our glass exactly. 321 00:14:35,305 --> 00:14:36,825 Speaker 1: If there's not that curve in the middle, she's a 322 00:14:36,825 --> 00:14:37,865 Speaker 1: rectangle exactly. 323 00:14:38,185 --> 00:14:41,025 Speaker 2: Well, what's really interesting, Right when I first started spending 324 00:14:41,025 --> 00:14:43,545 Speaker 2: obviously more time in fitting rooms with women, I was 325 00:14:43,625 --> 00:14:46,265 Speaker 2: putting different shapes on different women. Can be tool, you 326 00:14:46,305 --> 00:14:48,905 Speaker 2: can be fatique. That's the other part of this conversation, 327 00:14:49,065 --> 00:14:53,025 Speaker 2: which complicates our body shape and our body type. But 328 00:14:53,305 --> 00:14:54,825 Speaker 2: what I was putting on a lot of the time 329 00:14:54,945 --> 00:14:57,465 Speaker 2: was actually our glass shape. So basically pyramid on the 330 00:14:57,465 --> 00:15:00,025 Speaker 2: bottom and then upside down pyramid on the top. Okay, 331 00:15:00,305 --> 00:15:02,985 Speaker 2: in terms of say address, so you've got addressed, maybe 332 00:15:03,025 --> 00:15:04,905 Speaker 2: with a bit of a puff sleeve. You've got a 333 00:15:04,905 --> 00:15:07,465 Speaker 2: beautiful bit of fit under the bust, and then it 334 00:15:07,465 --> 00:15:11,145 Speaker 2: comes out again an a shape the hen and a 335 00:15:11,185 --> 00:15:13,105 Speaker 2: lot of my clients and a lot of them don't 336 00:15:13,105 --> 00:15:15,225 Speaker 2: feel that comfortable with their body, and they're really trying 337 00:15:15,265 --> 00:15:18,345 Speaker 2: to seek out what would work better someone more confident. Absolutely, 338 00:15:18,465 --> 00:15:21,065 Speaker 2: there's a range. But often i'd put an hourglass dress 339 00:15:21,065 --> 00:15:22,865 Speaker 2: shape on a client and they would look up and 340 00:15:23,065 --> 00:15:25,625 Speaker 2: look in the mirror and oh and like look themselves 341 00:15:25,705 --> 00:15:30,305 Speaker 2: up exactly. Oh, I like what I look like in this? 342 00:15:30,465 --> 00:15:32,265 Speaker 2: What have you done? And I'm like, I've just put 343 00:15:32,265 --> 00:15:34,665 Speaker 2: an hourglass shaped dress on you, so let me talk 344 00:15:34,705 --> 00:15:36,185 Speaker 2: you through the science. And I kind of talk them 345 00:15:36,225 --> 00:15:38,225 Speaker 2: through and like, oh, oh yeah, the colors is coming. 346 00:15:38,225 --> 00:15:39,625 Speaker 2: I might take too. I love it. What shoes can 347 00:15:39,665 --> 00:15:41,505 Speaker 2: I wear? Oh? How can I access? Oh? This is great? 348 00:15:41,505 --> 00:15:44,825 Speaker 2: What's the jacket? And suddenly they're like something fits me, 349 00:15:44,905 --> 00:15:48,225 Speaker 2: something makes me feel fantastic, and it's that old school 350 00:15:48,305 --> 00:15:51,465 Speaker 2: hourglass shape. And I was really shocked to think, when 351 00:15:51,545 --> 00:15:53,065 Speaker 2: you know, because I thought we'd moved on from this 352 00:15:53,105 --> 00:15:54,865 Speaker 2: but what it feels like we haven't with a lot 353 00:15:54,905 --> 00:15:57,945 Speaker 2: of the women I see that is still such a beautiful, 354 00:15:58,025 --> 00:16:00,305 Speaker 2: powerful shape, is feminine and it's. 355 00:16:00,305 --> 00:16:03,865 Speaker 1: It's powerful fashion so oversize and like kind of androgynous 356 00:16:03,865 --> 00:16:06,505 Speaker 1: at the moment. Yeah, parts of the fashion world that, yes, 357 00:16:06,705 --> 00:16:09,465 Speaker 1: we forget that sometimes going back to something that's quite 358 00:16:09,745 --> 00:16:12,985 Speaker 1: quite flattering, and by that we mean you feel fabulous 359 00:16:13,065 --> 00:16:13,505 Speaker 1: in it. 360 00:16:13,625 --> 00:16:15,225 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah. 361 00:16:14,945 --> 00:16:17,305 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you know, a timeless in a way. 362 00:16:17,145 --> 00:16:19,905 Speaker 2: Because it's always going to fit your body and that's 363 00:16:19,945 --> 00:16:22,065 Speaker 2: always going to make you feel good. Does that makes sense? 364 00:16:22,105 --> 00:16:22,705 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 365 00:16:22,825 --> 00:16:24,785 Speaker 2: And so it's interesting with the oversized thing. You know, 366 00:16:24,785 --> 00:16:26,505 Speaker 2: a lot of my clients are right, I'm experimenting with 367 00:16:26,545 --> 00:16:28,665 Speaker 2: over sized blazers. They look really cool, but then they 368 00:16:28,665 --> 00:16:30,305 Speaker 2: took a photo of themselves. Oh my god, I look 369 00:16:30,345 --> 00:16:32,465 Speaker 2: like a tent. Yeah, but your body's not a tent. 370 00:16:32,545 --> 00:16:34,105 Speaker 2: It's the garment that's the tent. 371 00:16:34,385 --> 00:16:37,905 Speaker 1: Stop cleans. Going back to flattering, yes, yeah, exactly. 372 00:16:37,945 --> 00:16:41,665 Speaker 2: But because they see a tent like thing on themselves, 373 00:16:41,745 --> 00:16:44,025 Speaker 2: they think they've got that big to look more like 374 00:16:44,025 --> 00:16:45,825 Speaker 2: a tent. Yeah, I know, you've got a gorgeous body 375 00:16:45,865 --> 00:16:48,465 Speaker 2: under there, don't matter what size is, but it's still gorgeous. Yeah, 376 00:16:48,465 --> 00:16:50,305 Speaker 2: but the tent you're putting on, you can take that off. 377 00:16:50,345 --> 00:16:52,385 Speaker 2: You can choose. You see what I mean totally? 378 00:16:52,665 --> 00:16:54,785 Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the fifth body type and apple 379 00:16:54,905 --> 00:16:56,825 Speaker 1: or a circle, because I feel like as we head 380 00:16:56,825 --> 00:16:59,145 Speaker 1: into menopause, this is what a lot of women feel 381 00:16:59,145 --> 00:17:00,385 Speaker 1: like their body is morphing into. 382 00:17:00,545 --> 00:17:02,545 Speaker 2: That's why I put it the end because a lot 383 00:17:02,585 --> 00:17:04,745 Speaker 2: of us feel like there is a real rounding of 384 00:17:04,785 --> 00:17:06,745 Speaker 2: the body. And it's so interesting because a lot of 385 00:17:06,745 --> 00:17:09,425 Speaker 2: my clients, regardless of their body type. So body type 386 00:17:09,505 --> 00:17:12,945 Speaker 2: is what our genetics are. Body shape is often the 387 00:17:12,985 --> 00:17:15,025 Speaker 2: shape that we think we are, depending on the clothes 388 00:17:15,065 --> 00:17:18,025 Speaker 2: we're wearing. Interesting, that's the way I define them. Body 389 00:17:18,025 --> 00:17:21,425 Speaker 2: type is one thing. Body shape. Do you see what 390 00:17:21,425 --> 00:17:23,145 Speaker 2: I do? I do because you are the shape you 391 00:17:23,145 --> 00:17:23,545 Speaker 2: put on. 392 00:17:24,905 --> 00:17:29,425 Speaker 1: Our body critically and trying to hide massively. See you 393 00:17:29,505 --> 00:17:31,345 Speaker 1: look at the mirror your undies, which sounds daunting, and 394 00:17:31,385 --> 00:17:32,585 Speaker 1: you go, I want to hide. I want to hide that. 395 00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:34,545 Speaker 1: And so actually really like my sholders. I really like 396 00:17:35,225 --> 00:17:37,425 Speaker 1: or I've got a really great rack. 397 00:17:37,625 --> 00:17:41,625 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly exactly, that's exactly what it's. Okay, So the apple, Yes, 398 00:17:41,705 --> 00:17:43,985 Speaker 2: when we're going a bit more rounded. So basically, you 399 00:17:43,985 --> 00:17:46,865 Speaker 2: know that's often our bust and our tummy, which, regardless 400 00:17:46,865 --> 00:17:48,665 Speaker 2: of what body type we are, often we are going 401 00:17:48,665 --> 00:17:49,985 Speaker 2: to put on a bit of weight through our middle 402 00:17:49,985 --> 00:17:51,905 Speaker 2: as we age. It's hormones and all those things. 403 00:17:51,985 --> 00:17:54,625 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to happen to all of us, yes. 404 00:17:54,745 --> 00:17:57,905 Speaker 2: But it's how we feel about becoming a bit rounder. 405 00:17:58,385 --> 00:18:00,145 Speaker 2: And what's really interesting, a lot of my can't say, 406 00:18:00,225 --> 00:18:03,425 Speaker 2: Kim help me, I've lost my waist. Okay, you haven't 407 00:18:03,465 --> 00:18:05,665 Speaker 2: lost your waist. If you're becoming more apple, your waist 408 00:18:05,665 --> 00:18:09,225 Speaker 2: has just moved up under your bust. It's empire line, 409 00:18:09,225 --> 00:18:11,905 Speaker 2: you know, that kind of bit under our bust. Yeah, 410 00:18:11,985 --> 00:18:14,625 Speaker 2: so when a lot of women go, I've lost my femininity, 411 00:18:14,665 --> 00:18:16,265 Speaker 2: I've lost my waist, it's like, no, you haven't done. 412 00:18:16,265 --> 00:18:19,585 Speaker 2: It's just moved us. And that's a really nice way 413 00:18:19,585 --> 00:18:21,745 Speaker 2: to think about it, because that is kind of prime 414 00:18:21,785 --> 00:18:24,665 Speaker 2: real estate under our bust. But we often overlook it 415 00:18:24,705 --> 00:18:27,185 Speaker 2: because we're too busy hating on our waist. So what 416 00:18:27,305 --> 00:18:31,025 Speaker 2: kind of shapes then, so more an empire line hourglass, 417 00:18:31,145 --> 00:18:34,905 Speaker 2: So basically that hourglass shape of a triangle and a triangle, 418 00:18:35,265 --> 00:18:38,265 Speaker 2: but with more of a band or some definition under the. 419 00:18:38,225 --> 00:18:40,225 Speaker 1: Right under the I mean even if you're not that, 420 00:18:40,305 --> 00:18:42,105 Speaker 1: I don't want anything really tired across my lowers. 421 00:18:42,105 --> 00:18:42,345 Speaker 2: How many? 422 00:18:42,385 --> 00:18:45,305 Speaker 1: Because I like to breathe and eat, yes, not feel restricted. 423 00:18:45,385 --> 00:18:47,265 Speaker 2: Yeah, well a lot of the time Nowly it's great. 424 00:18:47,345 --> 00:18:49,625 Speaker 2: There's so many dresses and even top styles that have 425 00:18:49,665 --> 00:18:52,225 Speaker 2: got elastic at the back that will allow you to eat, 426 00:18:52,265 --> 00:18:54,185 Speaker 2: drink and be merry. Because if you can't be merry 427 00:18:54,185 --> 00:18:55,265 Speaker 2: in your clothes, then don't get them. 428 00:18:55,345 --> 00:18:57,425 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what size or shape you are if 429 00:18:57,465 --> 00:18:59,625 Speaker 1: you're not comfortable exactly. 430 00:18:59,705 --> 00:19:02,305 Speaker 2: So that's why looking out for these design details, such 431 00:19:02,305 --> 00:19:04,665 Speaker 2: as a bit of elastic across the back or stretch 432 00:19:04,665 --> 00:19:07,945 Speaker 2: you fabrics just allows you through the month to always 433 00:19:07,985 --> 00:19:08,705 Speaker 2: fit in your clothes. 434 00:19:08,785 --> 00:19:10,785 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think is a really import especially when things 435 00:19:10,785 --> 00:19:13,985 Speaker 1: are fluctuatinging and going great exactly. So tell me more 436 00:19:14,025 --> 00:19:16,905 Speaker 1: about Empire line because I'm finding this interesting and I'm 437 00:19:16,945 --> 00:19:20,105 Speaker 1: also having some like weird flashbacks. Now I'm fluttering, but 438 00:19:20,265 --> 00:19:23,985 Speaker 1: just like downy things I used to wear, that's sort 439 00:19:23,985 --> 00:19:26,305 Speaker 1: of form who I think of Empire. So give me more. 440 00:19:26,465 --> 00:19:27,985 Speaker 2: Yes, So often they can look really go like a 441 00:19:28,025 --> 00:19:30,505 Speaker 2: mister Zimmy does lots of Empire dresses. You know, Spell 442 00:19:30,625 --> 00:19:34,505 Speaker 2: does them. You know, like because I like. 443 00:19:34,465 --> 00:19:35,985 Speaker 1: My arms, I mean I like all of me. I 444 00:19:35,985 --> 00:19:37,065 Speaker 1: shouldn't say that, but. 445 00:19:36,985 --> 00:19:38,985 Speaker 2: Like, you can put a belt there if you want. 446 00:19:39,265 --> 00:19:42,745 Speaker 2: But having that shape in that garment already is really 447 00:19:42,825 --> 00:19:44,905 Speaker 2: nice because then you can just literally chuck it on. 448 00:19:44,945 --> 00:19:47,385 Speaker 2: You don't have to accessorize or overthink it basically. 449 00:19:47,705 --> 00:19:49,385 Speaker 1: But you do that with a top and pants are 450 00:19:49,465 --> 00:19:50,545 Speaker 1: or separates, can you? 451 00:19:50,545 --> 00:19:53,065 Speaker 2: You can? But it's a bit harder. It's a bit 452 00:19:53,105 --> 00:19:54,745 Speaker 2: easier with the dress, but you still can. It's just 453 00:19:54,785 --> 00:19:57,465 Speaker 2: getting tops with from shaping. And that's the whole point, right, 454 00:19:57,665 --> 00:20:00,865 Speaker 2: rather than wearing boxy square tops or tops that are 455 00:20:00,905 --> 00:20:04,265 Speaker 2: more trapees that are meant more for true apples that 456 00:20:04,345 --> 00:20:07,145 Speaker 2: are rounder, because a true apple is defined that basically, 457 00:20:07,185 --> 00:20:10,865 Speaker 2: her tummy is her widest parts. But the reason I 458 00:20:10,945 --> 00:20:13,945 Speaker 2: come up with a sixth body type, which is a 459 00:20:13,985 --> 00:20:15,105 Speaker 2: slim apple. 460 00:20:18,825 --> 00:20:20,865 Speaker 1: Call it that I'm trying to think of her fruit, 461 00:20:20,905 --> 00:20:21,265 Speaker 1: I don't know. 462 00:20:21,585 --> 00:20:24,345 Speaker 2: It was more about client feedback rather than you know 463 00:20:24,385 --> 00:20:26,825 Speaker 2: that fashion dictates a few different body types. But I 464 00:20:26,865 --> 00:20:29,225 Speaker 2: found that a slim apple, so she sits between a 465 00:20:29,225 --> 00:20:33,265 Speaker 2: circle like an apple and a rectangle, so she holds 466 00:20:33,305 --> 00:20:35,345 Speaker 2: her weight through her belly as a lot of us do, 467 00:20:35,465 --> 00:20:37,745 Speaker 2: but she's not as lean as a rectangle, but she's 468 00:20:37,785 --> 00:20:40,505 Speaker 2: not as round as an apple. Does that make a 469 00:20:40,505 --> 00:20:42,905 Speaker 2: s end? Yes, yes, yes, there's a little bit of 470 00:20:42,905 --> 00:20:44,945 Speaker 2: a roundness of the tummy, but it's not round like 471 00:20:44,985 --> 00:20:48,025 Speaker 2: a circle where we need to wear trapeze shapes. A 472 00:20:48,065 --> 00:20:51,145 Speaker 2: lot of the problem is we actually turn into slim apples, 473 00:20:51,625 --> 00:20:54,585 Speaker 2: not true apples, but we wear the clothes that belong 474 00:20:54,625 --> 00:20:57,385 Speaker 2: to a true apple, which is more trapeze, which is 475 00:20:57,425 --> 00:21:00,545 Speaker 2: more garments that come out from the bus to cover 476 00:21:00,665 --> 00:21:04,145 Speaker 2: and skim the tummy. But they have so much fabric 477 00:21:04,465 --> 00:21:06,545 Speaker 2: that when your slim apple, which many more of my 478 00:21:06,545 --> 00:21:09,305 Speaker 2: clients are than a true apple, is making us look bigger. 479 00:21:09,665 --> 00:21:12,185 Speaker 1: A lot of these body shapes that bras and bust 480 00:21:12,545 --> 00:21:13,425 Speaker 1: makes a big. 481 00:21:13,265 --> 00:21:14,265 Speaker 2: Oh my god, my difference. 482 00:21:14,425 --> 00:21:15,945 Speaker 1: Right Like I can wear a bra that makes me 483 00:21:15,985 --> 00:21:17,545 Speaker 1: looks like I've got bazookas, and then I can wear 484 00:21:17,545 --> 00:21:18,945 Speaker 1: a brother that makes me look like I've got nothing. 485 00:21:19,025 --> 00:21:21,505 Speaker 2: Yep, they're powerful, So talk to me. 486 00:21:21,465 --> 00:21:24,385 Speaker 1: About bras and brass straps and all that kind of stuff. 487 00:21:24,385 --> 00:21:25,785 Speaker 1: Because also your boobs change in. 488 00:21:25,745 --> 00:21:29,305 Speaker 2: Perimen absolutely absolutely. And actually my client I just had 489 00:21:29,305 --> 00:21:31,185 Speaker 2: this morning, we were talking through this because you know, 490 00:21:31,225 --> 00:21:32,985 Speaker 2: a lot of the brass straps that we buy are 491 00:21:33,025 --> 00:21:36,585 Speaker 2: a bit more satin because there are sometime exactly but 492 00:21:36,625 --> 00:21:39,265 Speaker 2: they slip, right, the clips will slip, So we really 493 00:21:39,265 --> 00:21:41,905 Speaker 2: need to tighten them every so often because obviously they're 494 00:21:41,905 --> 00:21:43,185 Speaker 2: going through quite a lot every day. 495 00:21:43,225 --> 00:21:45,665 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the wash and support exactly. 496 00:21:45,625 --> 00:21:47,945 Speaker 2: So being able to then lift them that bit, because 497 00:21:47,945 --> 00:21:49,745 Speaker 2: then that lifts our bus points. So your bus point 498 00:21:49,785 --> 00:21:51,825 Speaker 2: is the widest part of your bust, and if we 499 00:21:51,865 --> 00:21:53,185 Speaker 2: can lift it a little bit. 500 00:21:53,025 --> 00:21:57,585 Speaker 1: Where your nipples are, yep, facing south like not at 501 00:21:57,585 --> 00:21:58,625 Speaker 1: that age. 502 00:21:59,545 --> 00:22:03,465 Speaker 2: Your nipples aren't always nowadays the widest. 503 00:22:02,945 --> 00:22:04,625 Speaker 1: Silent to close their eyes, but it's. 504 00:22:07,425 --> 00:22:10,625 Speaker 2: But it's lifting that bust that bit through adjusting your 505 00:22:10,625 --> 00:22:13,225 Speaker 2: brass straps to shorten them so that the whole bus 506 00:22:13,345 --> 00:22:16,345 Speaker 2: lifts a little bit. And that's where difference too. 507 00:22:16,385 --> 00:22:18,265 Speaker 1: Sometimes when I'm just like, oh, that's annoying, I do 508 00:22:18,345 --> 00:22:21,505 Speaker 1: that all, that's where it's meant to be exactly. 509 00:22:21,865 --> 00:22:24,185 Speaker 2: Exactly, Especially when we've got a fuller bust, you have 510 00:22:24,265 --> 00:22:26,545 Speaker 2: to do that a little bit more regularly. But my god, 511 00:22:26,665 --> 00:22:28,865 Speaker 2: it changes so much of how often we feel about 512 00:22:28,865 --> 00:22:31,865 Speaker 2: ourselves because we feel perkier, but we also have released 513 00:22:31,865 --> 00:22:34,985 Speaker 2: that prim real estate under our bust that's often our waste, 514 00:22:34,985 --> 00:22:38,025 Speaker 2: that highwaist area that's no longer the slimm ist part 515 00:22:38,145 --> 00:22:39,905 Speaker 2: that used to be around sorry, the belly button in 516 00:22:39,945 --> 00:22:42,345 Speaker 2: the slimm's part, but is now our slimmers part gone 517 00:22:42,385 --> 00:22:45,825 Speaker 2: to the underbust. Does that make sense? And so often 518 00:22:45,865 --> 00:22:48,705 Speaker 2: it's just choosing shapes of tops that come in just 519 00:22:48,825 --> 00:22:51,625 Speaker 2: a little bit rather than go outwards. 520 00:22:51,865 --> 00:22:52,425 Speaker 1: Okay. 521 00:22:52,785 --> 00:22:54,625 Speaker 2: One of the biggest things I say to my clients, 522 00:22:54,665 --> 00:22:56,905 Speaker 2: one of the key things I talk a lot about 523 00:22:57,225 --> 00:22:59,505 Speaker 2: is the silhouette of the garment, how it fits your 524 00:22:59,545 --> 00:23:02,385 Speaker 2: body rather than swamping your body. And you know, when 525 00:23:02,385 --> 00:23:03,625 Speaker 2: we look in the mirror and we're like, oh my god, 526 00:23:03,625 --> 00:23:05,785 Speaker 2: I've turned to the tent type of conversations that a 527 00:23:05,825 --> 00:23:08,305 Speaker 2: lot of my clients will talk to me about. It's 528 00:23:08,345 --> 00:23:12,065 Speaker 2: about garments that skim your body skim okay, because we 529 00:23:12,105 --> 00:23:14,345 Speaker 2: think in really binary terms. I think, don't be with fit. 530 00:23:14,385 --> 00:23:15,025 Speaker 2: It's either got. 531 00:23:16,465 --> 00:23:22,785 Speaker 1: That's exactly sim oversize. Yes, But you're so right. Sometimes 532 00:23:22,785 --> 00:23:24,905 Speaker 1: the joy is in the middle and it can still 533 00:23:24,905 --> 00:23:26,705 Speaker 1: sort of fit into a trend without. 534 00:23:26,785 --> 00:23:31,505 Speaker 2: Oh totally, you can start really modern for it. I 535 00:23:31,625 --> 00:23:33,505 Speaker 2: you know, I talk a lot about contemporary classics a 536 00:23:33,545 --> 00:23:35,105 Speaker 2: lot of the time, and then we might sprinkle on 537 00:23:35,145 --> 00:23:37,745 Speaker 2: a few edgy fashion bits. Absolutely now we can buy that. 538 00:23:37,745 --> 00:23:40,625 Speaker 2: It's absolutely up to every individual. But being able to 539 00:23:40,745 --> 00:23:43,945 Speaker 2: choose clothes that skim your body brilliant. Like you know, 540 00:23:43,985 --> 00:23:45,785 Speaker 2: someone can't say I don't like my bottom it's big. 541 00:23:45,825 --> 00:23:48,105 Speaker 2: I'm like, your bottom is gorgeous, but you're wearing low 542 00:23:48,185 --> 00:23:51,225 Speaker 2: slung drop crotch pants in the wrong kind of fabric. 543 00:23:52,545 --> 00:23:54,905 Speaker 2: So let's skim your body. And I'm like, your booty 544 00:23:54,985 --> 00:23:57,625 Speaker 2: is gorgeous, and they're looking oh oh, actually, and I've 545 00:23:57,705 --> 00:23:58,665 Speaker 2: changed their underwear. 546 00:23:59,145 --> 00:24:00,305 Speaker 1: Okay, tell me about that. 547 00:24:00,305 --> 00:24:02,185 Speaker 2: Because if you've got a high rise pant or a 548 00:24:02,225 --> 00:24:05,825 Speaker 2: high rise skirt, you need a high rise knicker otherwise 549 00:24:05,825 --> 00:24:09,545 Speaker 2: you can see your Okay, it's because we don't wear 550 00:24:09,905 --> 00:24:12,425 Speaker 2: mentally in my underwear draw Yeah, because we don't want 551 00:24:12,425 --> 00:24:13,625 Speaker 2: to wear it or like. 552 00:24:13,585 --> 00:24:15,785 Speaker 1: The boi leg or the full brief if you're gonna 553 00:24:15,865 --> 00:24:17,465 Speaker 1: if it's skimming and you can sort. 554 00:24:17,265 --> 00:24:19,825 Speaker 2: Of see your body. Yeah, but you don't need a spanks. 555 00:24:19,865 --> 00:24:21,945 Speaker 2: That's not what it's about. That's not it. But we 556 00:24:22,065 --> 00:24:25,625 Speaker 2: just want a bigger knicker that sits and hugs your 557 00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:26,945 Speaker 2: waist at the same point that you're closed to. 558 00:24:27,425 --> 00:24:29,225 Speaker 1: Sometimes you just feel more secure. It's almost like a 559 00:24:29,225 --> 00:24:31,545 Speaker 1: bra for your bum, like when you've got the right yeah, 560 00:24:31,665 --> 00:24:35,505 Speaker 1: underwear on just make everything just feel a bit more secure. 561 00:24:35,905 --> 00:24:38,385 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And a lot of us have moved up in 562 00:24:38,465 --> 00:24:41,105 Speaker 2: terms of the waistline going higher waisted, but we haven't 563 00:24:41,105 --> 00:24:43,225 Speaker 2: moved our knickers up. Yeah, does that make sense? 564 00:24:43,265 --> 00:24:47,785 Speaker 1: Yeah? Everything, absolutely anything else we need to know about 565 00:24:48,025 --> 00:24:50,945 Speaker 1: perimenopause and menopause or changing body shapes before we get 566 00:24:50,985 --> 00:24:51,865 Speaker 1: into Bougian budget. 567 00:24:51,985 --> 00:24:53,785 Speaker 2: So I understand that a lot of us have very 568 00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:57,465 Speaker 2: complicated relationships with our bodies and therefore our wardrobes. But 569 00:24:57,545 --> 00:24:59,825 Speaker 2: that only intensifies as well when we might gain a 570 00:24:59,825 --> 00:25:01,705 Speaker 2: bit of weight. And I know that a lot of 571 00:25:01,745 --> 00:25:04,905 Speaker 2: clients won't love their body overnight, but to stop hating 572 00:25:05,025 --> 00:25:08,585 Speaker 2: on bits and become more body neutral, that's quite a 573 00:25:08,625 --> 00:25:11,665 Speaker 2: profound shift tidally, And there's a group of women in 574 00:25:11,705 --> 00:25:13,145 Speaker 2: the world, you know, if we could be a bit 575 00:25:13,185 --> 00:25:15,385 Speaker 2: happier in our clothes, it would free up a lot 576 00:25:15,385 --> 00:25:19,825 Speaker 2: of mental space. I so agree, and that is ideally 577 00:25:19,905 --> 00:25:22,905 Speaker 2: what a lot of the guidelines I give clients are for, 578 00:25:23,385 --> 00:25:24,985 Speaker 2: so that they can block out a lot of the 579 00:25:25,585 --> 00:25:28,345 Speaker 2: rubbish that's not going to work for them and start 580 00:25:28,425 --> 00:25:30,705 Speaker 2: honing in on what works for them. Create a few 581 00:25:30,745 --> 00:25:33,825 Speaker 2: formulas and what they like, and then their gold and 582 00:25:33,825 --> 00:25:36,385 Speaker 2: they're safe. They know they've got an outfit for every occasion, 583 00:25:36,385 --> 00:25:38,065 Speaker 2: and a wardrobe is going to work with them, not 584 00:25:38,145 --> 00:25:39,225 Speaker 2: against them, and let them down. 585 00:25:39,225 --> 00:25:42,225 Speaker 1: They can start mentally torturing themselves about their body. Particularly 586 00:25:42,385 --> 00:25:44,985 Speaker 1: changing is going to happen to all us women. 587 00:25:45,105 --> 00:25:45,585 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 588 00:25:45,665 --> 00:25:47,785 Speaker 1: I think a lot of you change clothes, not your body. 589 00:25:47,625 --> 00:25:50,105 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, That's exactly it, because I think a lot 590 00:25:50,105 --> 00:25:51,825 Speaker 2: of hormones rushing around our body. As soon as we 591 00:25:51,865 --> 00:25:53,385 Speaker 2: put on a bit of weight, we're like, oh my god, 592 00:25:53,425 --> 00:25:55,185 Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm so much bigger than I am. 593 00:25:55,705 --> 00:25:58,145 Speaker 2: But actually a lot of the time, you know, dress 594 00:25:58,145 --> 00:26:00,105 Speaker 2: nearly a thousand women, nearly all women are a lot 595 00:26:00,185 --> 00:26:02,745 Speaker 2: less round in reality than their clothes might suggest. 596 00:26:15,265 --> 00:26:22,505 Speaker 1: It's very expensive. Howl Kim. I think we have to 597 00:26:22,545 --> 00:26:25,065 Speaker 1: do a part two because we haven't talked about fabric types. 598 00:26:25,505 --> 00:26:29,465 Speaker 1: And as a perimenopausal woman, I'm hot yea that's gonna 599 00:26:29,505 --> 00:26:31,385 Speaker 1: have to be part two. But I've brought Bougian budget 600 00:26:31,785 --> 00:26:34,985 Speaker 1: colp fabrics that I can wear. Yes, because I'm hot, flushing, 601 00:26:35,025 --> 00:26:37,825 Speaker 1: I'm sweating at night. Yep, I'm getting all those first 602 00:26:37,825 --> 00:26:40,625 Speaker 1: early symptoms. But firstly, let's start with your budget. 603 00:26:40,785 --> 00:26:45,785 Speaker 2: Okay, my budget is a Portman's denim dress and forever. 604 00:26:46,105 --> 00:26:49,625 Speaker 2: It's brilliant. It's this beautiful dark denim. 605 00:26:49,905 --> 00:26:50,625 Speaker 1: Oh that's good. 606 00:26:50,785 --> 00:26:52,745 Speaker 2: So it's got this beautiful erglass shape to it because 607 00:26:52,745 --> 00:26:54,225 Speaker 2: it's got a bit of a puff sleeve, so it's 608 00:26:54,265 --> 00:26:57,625 Speaker 2: exaggerating the shoulder a little bit more. It's got beautiful 609 00:26:57,905 --> 00:27:00,665 Speaker 2: shaping and seaming down it to me, but not too 610 00:27:00,705 --> 00:27:04,265 Speaker 2: d exactly, so beautiful flattering on the bust. It's got 611 00:27:04,265 --> 00:27:05,905 Speaker 2: the seeming that comes down, and then it's got the 612 00:27:05,905 --> 00:27:09,065 Speaker 2: stitching down the seams to really elongate the body. And 613 00:27:09,105 --> 00:27:12,025 Speaker 2: then it's got a beautiful belt and all these gold detailing. 614 00:27:12,065 --> 00:27:14,105 Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't look like Portman's. It looks like Age. 615 00:27:14,185 --> 00:27:15,825 Speaker 1: I was gonna say it looks like Age. Yeah, it's 616 00:27:15,825 --> 00:27:17,185 Speaker 1: studying in the belt and then you could take the 617 00:27:17,185 --> 00:27:18,625 Speaker 1: belt off and absolutely. 618 00:27:18,785 --> 00:27:22,105 Speaker 2: It's currently one hundred and fifty dollars, which is really good. Obviously, 619 00:27:22,105 --> 00:27:24,745 Speaker 2: it's a bit more breathable because it's cotton. Predominantly pop 620 00:27:24,745 --> 00:27:27,465 Speaker 2: into Portman's. I haven't done Portman's real quiet a while. Yeah, 621 00:27:27,505 --> 00:27:29,665 Speaker 2: and they're doing better cotton lot. I know Portman's isn't 622 00:27:29,705 --> 00:27:32,385 Speaker 2: the most sustainable of brands, but they are doing better cotton. 623 00:27:32,825 --> 00:27:35,985 Speaker 1: My budget is from linter Coo. They're called the Linen 624 00:27:36,065 --> 00:27:40,065 Speaker 1: Simple button fly down Trousers because when I really just 625 00:27:40,185 --> 00:27:41,705 Speaker 1: take it back to what I wear all the time, 626 00:27:41,705 --> 00:27:44,145 Speaker 1: it's jeans and a T shirt. So these aren't jeans. 627 00:27:44,145 --> 00:27:47,585 Speaker 1: They're coming a thousand different colors, ninety one dollars. They've 628 00:27:47,625 --> 00:27:49,305 Speaker 1: got like a little they're kind of like a mix 629 00:27:49,385 --> 00:27:53,225 Speaker 1: between a cargo and a Chino and a jean, and 630 00:27:53,225 --> 00:27:55,745 Speaker 1: they're one hundred percent linen. 631 00:27:55,945 --> 00:27:57,065 Speaker 2: They really edgy. I love them. 632 00:27:57,065 --> 00:27:58,625 Speaker 1: Well they are, aren't they? But then you could just 633 00:27:58,665 --> 00:28:00,225 Speaker 1: like you chuck on a song, or you can put 634 00:28:00,265 --> 00:28:02,225 Speaker 1: a heel on a cami. Yeah that's the dusty blue. 635 00:28:02,265 --> 00:28:05,145 Speaker 1: But they've got like ten different colors, colors, size extra 636 00:28:05,185 --> 00:28:08,145 Speaker 1: small to triple XL brilliant, and one hundred percent linen. So 637 00:28:08,465 --> 00:28:11,505 Speaker 1: while I'm hot and sweat, the imperiment of pausal I'm 638 00:28:11,545 --> 00:28:13,785 Speaker 1: trying to go from one natural fiber more so on 639 00:28:13,825 --> 00:28:15,305 Speaker 1: the top, but I thought i'd bring a natural on 640 00:28:15,425 --> 00:28:17,505 Speaker 1: a bottle good on the bottom as well, because it, yea, 641 00:28:17,505 --> 00:28:19,705 Speaker 1: it's a bit well, I'm fitzy in summer even when 642 00:28:19,705 --> 00:28:22,065 Speaker 1: I'm not hormonal. What's your bougie. 643 00:28:22,225 --> 00:28:24,585 Speaker 2: It's the age version. You probably know how to pronounce 644 00:28:24,585 --> 00:28:28,425 Speaker 2: this bad age. Yes, it's the Colorado Deni mini dress, 645 00:28:28,465 --> 00:28:30,945 Speaker 2: and it's also gorgeous. Version is gorgeous and it's got 646 00:28:31,025 --> 00:28:33,185 Speaker 2: very similar styling, So it's a dupe. Portman's is a 647 00:28:33,265 --> 00:28:34,585 Speaker 2: dupe for this pretty much. 648 00:28:35,225 --> 00:28:37,385 Speaker 1: ASI one is beautiful, and I'll let you finish describing it, 649 00:28:37,385 --> 00:28:39,825 Speaker 1: but I reckon the Portman one's more flattering that buttons 650 00:28:39,905 --> 00:28:41,825 Speaker 1: up almost like a denim shirt, whereas, yeah, the other 651 00:28:41,865 --> 00:28:42,865 Speaker 1: one has a bit of a. 652 00:28:42,865 --> 00:28:45,265 Speaker 2: V yeah, bit more open. But obviously you can open 653 00:28:45,265 --> 00:28:47,865 Speaker 2: this because it's a tue a shirt dress. Yes, and 654 00:28:48,025 --> 00:28:49,945 Speaker 2: it's got a lot of the gold detailing, so that 655 00:28:49,985 --> 00:28:52,585 Speaker 2: obviously elevates. So it means that these kind of dresses 656 00:28:52,625 --> 00:28:55,465 Speaker 2: you can wear to so many different places because it's 657 00:28:55,505 --> 00:28:57,505 Speaker 2: already got a bit of glam on it because of 658 00:28:57,545 --> 00:28:57,945 Speaker 2: the gold. 659 00:28:59,225 --> 00:29:01,865 Speaker 1: Absolutely you can check that on with flats and go 660 00:29:01,985 --> 00:29:03,745 Speaker 1: to kind of a barbecue or you could dress it up. 661 00:29:03,985 --> 00:29:07,345 Speaker 2: And so this one is size four to sixteen and 662 00:29:07,385 --> 00:29:09,625 Speaker 2: the price is five hundred and twenty five, so it's 663 00:29:09,785 --> 00:29:11,905 Speaker 2: quite a lot. Obviously it's cotton, it's more breathable, but 664 00:29:11,905 --> 00:29:13,705 Speaker 2: it's beautiful. It's quite expensive. 665 00:29:13,905 --> 00:29:16,185 Speaker 1: There's also a really good age outlet in Sydney. But 666 00:29:16,265 --> 00:29:21,585 Speaker 1: if you're not from my bougie, isn't very expensive. So 667 00:29:21,625 --> 00:29:25,345 Speaker 1: it's from the brand Forecast. It's on the iconic Manhattan 668 00:29:25,385 --> 00:29:28,465 Speaker 1: stripe cotton shirt one hundred percent cotton. So you know 669 00:29:28,465 --> 00:29:31,225 Speaker 1: how those stripey oversized men's shirts are really cool, But 670 00:29:31,305 --> 00:29:32,745 Speaker 1: see how this isn't too oversized. 671 00:29:32,865 --> 00:29:34,025 Speaker 2: Yes, that's perfect. 672 00:29:34,065 --> 00:29:37,665 Speaker 1: So it's clearly for a woman's shape. I believe it's 673 00:29:37,825 --> 00:29:40,185 Speaker 1: slouching oversize, but not like you went and put your 674 00:29:40,265 --> 00:29:44,385 Speaker 1: dad's shirt on size four to sixteen. And it also 675 00:29:44,425 --> 00:29:46,665 Speaker 1: comes into green. But I just love the blue stripe. 676 00:29:46,705 --> 00:29:49,745 Speaker 1: I'm just loving that with summer whites. One hundred percent cotton. 677 00:29:49,745 --> 00:29:51,505 Speaker 1: Because I have to say, last week I wore a 678 00:29:51,585 --> 00:29:54,585 Speaker 1: synthetic long sleeve shirt. I just gotta leave my synthetics 679 00:29:54,625 --> 00:29:55,865 Speaker 1: for the dead of winter, I think, or. 680 00:29:56,105 --> 00:29:57,865 Speaker 2: But This is what's interesting as well about why I 681 00:29:57,865 --> 00:30:00,065 Speaker 2: think a lot of women and them wearing oversize because 682 00:30:00,105 --> 00:30:02,425 Speaker 2: some of their fabric choices aren't quite right, and so 683 00:30:02,505 --> 00:30:04,785 Speaker 2: they're like, I want this armhole to sit away from 684 00:30:04,785 --> 00:30:06,665 Speaker 2: my body before it get really really cunny. 685 00:30:06,745 --> 00:30:08,585 Speaker 1: You're going to have to do a part two on fabric. 686 00:30:08,985 --> 00:30:11,345 Speaker 1: Now we know what apes to go for. You've alreadynailed 687 00:30:11,385 --> 00:30:15,265 Speaker 1: the colors. Yep, fabrics comes next. Care your wealth of knowledge. 688 00:30:15,305 --> 00:30:19,585 Speaker 1: I appreciate you bringing all your accumulated wisdom from designing 689 00:30:19,625 --> 00:30:21,825 Speaker 1: and then styling and helping women. So thank you so 690 00:30:21,905 --> 00:30:26,305 Speaker 1: much for Jay, Thank you Lee, thank you, thank you 691 00:30:26,385 --> 00:30:28,745 Speaker 1: for listening to Nothing to Wear. Don't forget to sign 692 00:30:28,825 --> 00:30:31,065 Speaker 1: up to the Nothing to Wear newsletter. It's free and 693 00:30:31,105 --> 00:30:33,585 Speaker 1: there's a link in the show notes. And if you 694 00:30:33,585 --> 00:30:36,385 Speaker 1: want to understand more about sizing in Australia, we've done 695 00:30:36,385 --> 00:30:39,305 Speaker 1: a whole deep dive on that. 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