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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: From Mom and MEA.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm

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Speaker 3: Laura Brodney and I'm m Venham. And coming up later

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Speaker 3: in the show, the US Bachelorette has had a very

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Speaker 3: dramatic week. Something I've never seen before that I couldn't

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Speaker 3: predicted is that they've canceled the entire season as was

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Speaker 3: about to kick off because of their very famous leading

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Speaker 3: lady and a video that resurfaced.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get into that, but first, I.

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Speaker 3: Never thought I would be looking at a former soccer

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Speaker 3: star's Instagram stories with such attention to detail.

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Speaker 2: But here we are, Here we are.

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Speaker 4: This is like I feel like our bread and butter. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the kind of gossip that you just want to hear

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Speaker 4: all sides of the story and you want to keep

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Speaker 4: believing a different person every time.

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Speaker 1: I am so obsessed with this story. Yes, so former

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Speaker 1: soccer star Georgina Frello.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just saying to him, I'm not I

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Speaker 3: can say his name, but I thought you're a sports girl.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he is an ex Arsenal midfielder. Oh wow, very

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Speaker 4: very big, very very famous, very very talented.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, well, easy to see whose side you're on.

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Speaker 3: So Georgina posted something interesting to his stories over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: So he says his wife and daughter were staying at

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Speaker 3: a hotel in cel Pallo. He says daughter at A

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Speaker 3: lot of publications are saying that, which is fair enough

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Speaker 3: because he calls her his daughter. But it's come out

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Speaker 3: that it's actually Aid of Law, who is the daughter

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Speaker 3: of actor Jude Law and Catherine Harding, who is now

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Speaker 3: with the Soccerman.

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Speaker 2: So that's how it all is. To get step daughter.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and for all intents and purposes, his daughter is

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Speaker 3: what he was getting to in the post. So they

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Speaker 3: were in the same hotel as Chapel Roone in cell

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Speaker 3: Paalo for Lola Palooza, which Chapel Roone was performing it

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Speaker 3: that weekend, and she'd been posting about it and it

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Speaker 3: was a really big deal. So he says his daughter,

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Speaker 3: who he doesn't name in the post, they were saying

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Speaker 3: the hotel, they were at breakfast, and he said that

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Speaker 3: she is just the biggest Chapel Roone fan. Loves her music.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, a girl after our heart. We

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Speaker 3: all have a bit of Chapel music.

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Speaker 1: Meteo girl yeah, I was.

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Speaker 2: Done the same thing.

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Speaker 3: He's like, she was so excited she made a sign class. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so she was so excited. We do think her age

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Speaker 2: We're dealing with.

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Speaker 1: A little girl, just a little girl.

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Speaker 3: So apparently she was at breakfast in this hotel with

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Speaker 3: quite sure was Chapel Rone, her favorite musician, walk past

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Speaker 3: the table, and she wanted to know if it was

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Speaker 3: definitely her. So he said that she got up, she

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Speaker 3: she came back to the table really excited because she

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Speaker 3: had seen her favorite singer and knew she was in

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Speaker 3: the hotel. The next minute, this is how the allegation

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Speaker 3: security guards apparently approached the table and started going mad

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Speaker 2: How dares she walk past?

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Speaker 3: Say he was going to make a complaint, And apparently

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Speaker 3: posted this to his Interim Stories tag Chapel ron and

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Speaker 3: was ba basically like, how dare you do this to

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Speaker 3: This is really disgusting behavior.

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Speaker 4: He literally tagged Chapel Roane saying without your fans, you

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Speaker 4: deserve your affection. Yes, so very very angry. When this

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Speaker 4: Chapel has not been having a good time recently.

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Speaker 2: No, And this got picked up so quickly like a

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Speaker 3: Every different news outlet ran the story and people were

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, oh my god, the real Digeneira was

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Speaker 4: like I think he boasted on X and he was like,

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Speaker 4: Chapel will never perform at real Digenia, And I think

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Speaker 4: he said something like Shakira would never have done yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean like probably Shakia would never have done that,

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Speaker 3: but she's done some crazy shit her as well.

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Speaker 2: We don't know.

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Speaker 3: So that all blew up and I was interested if

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Speaker 3: and something that was interesting is that she gave a

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Speaker 3: shout out to her security on did you say that? No, well,

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Speaker 3: she was shouting out everyone, and she was like, I

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Speaker 3: I want to thank my team, I said, and she

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Speaker 3: said her security whether or not that was pointed or not,

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Speaker 3: and then she posted this to her Instagram stories as

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Speaker 3: her response.

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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna tell my half of the story of

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Speaker 5: what happened today with a mother and child who were

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Speaker 5: involved with a security guard who is my personal security.

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Speaker 5: I didn't even see I didn't even see a woman

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Speaker 5: up to me, no one bothered me, like I was

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Speaker 5: just sitting at breakfast in my hotel. I think these

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Speaker 5: people were saying at the hotel as well. For the

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Speaker 5: fact that, like a security guard who was I did

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Speaker 5: not ask the security guard to go up and talk

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Speaker 5: to this mother and child. I did not.

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Speaker 1: They did not come up to me. They weren't doing anything.

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Speaker 5: It's unfair for security to just assume someone doesn't have

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Speaker 5: there's no action even taken. Like, I do not hate

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Speaker 5: people who are fans of my music. I do not

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Speaker 5: hate children like that is crazy. I am sorry to

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Speaker 5: the mother and child that that someone was assuming something,

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Speaker 5: that you would do something, and that if you felt uncomfortable.

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Speaker 5: That makes me really sad. You did not deserve that.

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Speaker 4: I just know that right now TMZ and Daily Mail

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Speaker 1: Yes it's the hotel.

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Speaker 4: Oh my, I need to see because after she posted this,

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Speaker 4: I think it was like a day later where Catherine

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Speaker 4: posted on her Instagram stories. So the mom her side

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Speaker 4: definitely not the hotels. She alleged that the security was

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Speaker 4: not the hotel security. So we need to know who

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Speaker 4: this man belongs to a security guard?

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Speaker 1: Is he just a random math?

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Speaker 2: He's a roguechapel her own fan. That's just jumped in.

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Speaker 4: Because I was thinking about this and that little girl.

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Speaker 4: Her stepdad is a famous, famous footballer.

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Speaker 1: Her dad is Jude Law.

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Speaker 4: She knows celebrity like she understands the intensity of being

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Speaker 3: She's probably been sitting at breakfast with her all different

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Speaker 3: of stuff like that probably wasn't even strange to her.

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Speaker 4: So I do believe, my personal opinion that all she

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Speaker 5: World.

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Speaker 3: And we've all done a little walk past the table,

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Speaker 3: whether you just want to know, whether it's like an

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Speaker 2: We've all done little walk past.

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Speaker 1: I've done more than that. I've done like a full

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Speaker 4: So I just want to know who the security guard is,

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Speaker 4: who does he belong to, and why hy yelling at.

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Speaker 1: A little girl.

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Speaker 4: I feel like from my experiences with security, not like

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Speaker 3: I mean that's us every time we go to a premiere.

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Speaker 3: It's like you're getting yelled at by security. Not do

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Speaker 2: They get very intense. I mean, their job is to

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Speaker 3: If you were in that tense all day and job

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Speaker 3: I mean I was gonna say I never pictured Chapel

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Speaker 3: Rowan like lying in her bed recording a video that

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Speaker 3: she doesn't hate children, but to be honest, the way

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Speaker 3: I know that's what she does and also fair enough.

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Speaker 2: That's her downtime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am obviously like two wildly different sides of

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Speaker 3: But it's interesting also how much people just jumped on

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Speaker 4: The fact that the mayor of real Jiteniica involved is insane.

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Speaker 3: But also, like the fan comments, there were opinion pieces

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Speaker 3: and I think it's because we were already quite primed

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Speaker 4: And also, like sports fans are very intense in general.

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Speaker 1: Like they love like sports stars.

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Speaker 4: And I think this is a glimpse of like celebrity

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if this was just a random.

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Speaker 4: say something that's so intense, yeah, like you would be

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Speaker 4: nothing without your fans, to like a whole sea.

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Speaker 1: Of people, like the whole world. Yeah, but I just

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Speaker 3: I also just think that he's also probably aware of

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Speaker 3: the conversation that's been happening around Chapel, which has really

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Speaker 3: changed in the last few years. Obviously, she's been performing

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Speaker 3: to remember few years ago she put that video to

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Speaker 3: her fans being like, leave me alone, stop following in

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Speaker 3: my parents' house. And I think in that moment, collectively,

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Speaker 3: because we were just like, that sounds crazy. People grabbing

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Speaker 4: It was like also when she like just shot up

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Speaker 3: So she was going in and out of fashion shows

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Speaker 3: many fans waiting and you went and took photos with

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00:18:17,394 --> 00:18:19,834
Speaker 3: them all and to time their autographs and she's like, oh, yeah,

441
00:18:19,834 --> 00:18:21,394
Speaker 3: it's so hard to be me, like as a big

442
00:18:21,394 --> 00:18:23,874
Speaker 3: celebrity coming to Australia and having people who buy my

443
00:18:23,954 --> 00:18:26,714
Speaker 3: music excited to see me. Of course I stopped for

444
00:18:26,754 --> 00:18:30,314
Speaker 3: them and the hosts were like, yeah, but most people don't.

445
00:18:30,354 --> 00:18:32,513
Speaker 3: And she was like, well, those people don't deserve their fans.

446
00:18:32,834 --> 00:18:34,634
Speaker 3: And she said that so many years ago, but now

447
00:18:34,754 --> 00:18:37,834
Speaker 3: that's been kind of likened to Chapel of People saying

448
00:18:37,834 --> 00:18:39,314
Speaker 3: that I know and also.

449
00:18:39,314 --> 00:18:41,274
Speaker 1: Went through this legal dispud with the other Katy Perry.

450
00:18:41,394 --> 00:18:42,834
Speaker 2: I know she's got a lot going on also.

451
00:18:42,874 --> 00:18:45,834
Speaker 3: I'm sure she's also had run ins with fans and paparazzi. Like,

452
00:18:45,834 --> 00:18:47,114
Speaker 3: no one's perfect, but no one.

453
00:18:46,994 --> 00:18:49,394
Speaker 4: Wants to stitch that video together because it doesn't show

454
00:18:49,394 --> 00:18:49,914
Speaker 4: the narrative.

455
00:18:50,154 --> 00:18:52,194
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's this whole thing of like, here's

456
00:18:52,194 --> 00:18:54,793
Speaker 3: the good pop girls, and it's like Taylor Swift, Katy Perry,

457
00:18:54,994 --> 00:18:57,714
Speaker 3: Sabrina Carpenter, Delivery of Rodrigo, all these people, like they're

458
00:18:57,794 --> 00:18:59,874
Speaker 3: showing them being like nice to fans, and that's like

459
00:18:59,954 --> 00:19:03,434
Speaker 3: Chapel is this violent outlier. Is kind of how she's

460
00:19:03,474 --> 00:19:06,033
Speaker 3: being portrayed. She obviously said the video She's like, I

461
00:19:06,034 --> 00:19:09,474
Speaker 3: don't hate people who'd my music, which as a celebrity

462
00:19:09,474 --> 00:19:12,513
Speaker 3: you should never have to say I don't, But she

463
00:19:12,554 --> 00:19:14,474
Speaker 3: needed to make it because that is the rhetoric at

464
00:19:14,474 --> 00:19:16,474
Speaker 3: the moment people think she hates her like I.

465
00:19:16,434 --> 00:19:18,514
Speaker 1: Don't hate children.

466
00:19:18,274 --> 00:19:21,593
Speaker 3: Children, I don't hate children. I don't hate people who

467
00:19:21,634 --> 00:19:23,794
Speaker 3: come to my concerts. I don't hate people who buy

468
00:19:23,794 --> 00:19:27,594
Speaker 3: my music. Like it's a bizarre, but like that's where.

469
00:19:27,354 --> 00:19:28,314
Speaker 2: We're at with her now.

470
00:19:28,714 --> 00:19:30,874
Speaker 3: I know some voices on the internet are louder than others,

471
00:19:30,914 --> 00:19:33,194
Speaker 3: but right now I think definitely the biggest voices are

472
00:19:33,754 --> 00:19:36,034
Speaker 3: people are sort of just saying like, well, don't be famous,

473
00:19:36,274 --> 00:19:37,594
Speaker 3: and then we don't want to, like.

474
00:19:37,754 --> 00:19:40,354
Speaker 4: We can't because then what we're just not going to

475
00:19:40,434 --> 00:19:42,514
Speaker 4: have hot to go.

476
00:19:44,074 --> 00:19:45,074
Speaker 2: I can't live in that world.

477
00:19:45,034 --> 00:19:46,994
Speaker 1: Absolute. Well, here's the thing that's the.

478
00:19:47,034 --> 00:19:47,634
Speaker 2: Question for you.

479
00:19:47,674 --> 00:19:49,154
Speaker 3: Move on to our next topic is do you think

480
00:19:49,154 --> 00:19:51,313
Speaker 3: this is going to have a role on effect with

481
00:19:51,354 --> 00:19:53,114
Speaker 3: her career, like a negative effect.

482
00:19:53,154 --> 00:19:56,073
Speaker 4: I really hope not the way that she's still putting

483
00:19:56,074 --> 00:19:59,834
Speaker 4: out statements via her TikTok like lying in bed. I

484
00:19:59,874 --> 00:20:02,474
Speaker 4: think she's taking it all in stride, Like I genuinely

485
00:20:02,554 --> 00:20:06,994
Speaker 4: think that she is making it work for her and

486
00:20:07,274 --> 00:20:08,754
Speaker 4: I just don't want it to get to a spot

487
00:20:08,754 --> 00:20:09,914
Speaker 4: where she feels like she.

488
00:20:09,834 --> 00:20:10,834
Speaker 1: Can't do it anymore.

489
00:20:10,914 --> 00:20:11,834
Speaker 2: Yeah.

490
00:20:11,874 --> 00:20:14,354
Speaker 4: God, she makes some great music, she really does. She's

491
00:20:14,434 --> 00:20:16,754
Speaker 4: just like I miss fun, I miss Popp being fun,

492
00:20:16,874 --> 00:20:18,754
Speaker 4: and she's being really fun right now. I know.

493
00:20:18,874 --> 00:20:21,114
Speaker 3: That's the thing, is like I don't want to like

494
00:20:21,194 --> 00:20:22,994
Speaker 3: not have her music, And to be honest, I don't

495
00:20:22,994 --> 00:20:24,314
Speaker 3: think it's gonna hurt her in the way of I

496
00:20:24,354 --> 00:20:27,074
Speaker 3: don't think anyone's gonna not buy a Chapel ticket like

497
00:20:27,114 --> 00:20:29,434
Speaker 3: her tickets sellers so fast, Like she she comes to

498
00:20:29,474 --> 00:20:32,594
Speaker 3: Australian plays like those smaller festivals, but she could fill

499
00:20:32,594 --> 00:20:35,194
Speaker 3: a stadium easily if she wanted to. So I don't

500
00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:37,114
Speaker 3: think that that's gonna have an effect on her music,

501
00:20:37,114 --> 00:20:38,914
Speaker 3: but I think it's sort of like attached itself to

502
00:20:38,954 --> 00:20:42,394
Speaker 3: her reputation forever. Whether people are just like there's plenty

503
00:20:42,394 --> 00:20:44,194
Speaker 3: of musicians that we are like, they're not good people,

504
00:20:44,234 --> 00:20:46,914
Speaker 3: be like their music. But I think we just expect

505
00:20:47,074 --> 00:20:50,154
Speaker 3: more of not just like women, but like women in

506
00:20:50,194 --> 00:20:51,394
Speaker 3: pop music for some reason.

507
00:20:51,514 --> 00:20:53,994
Speaker 1: Yeah, we expect them to be like a perfect princess.

508
00:20:54,194 --> 00:20:57,354
Speaker 3: Yes, like like rock stars, jazz any all those other things.

509
00:20:57,554 --> 00:21:00,074
Speaker 3: There's so many other different like music areas and artists

510
00:21:00,074 --> 00:21:02,114
Speaker 3: who I think that's maybe the interesting thing is that

511
00:21:02,154 --> 00:21:04,114
Speaker 3: there's so many other areas where you're just like, that

512
00:21:04,154 --> 00:21:06,754
Speaker 3: guy's a jerk, especially if it's a man, that guy's

513
00:21:06,754 --> 00:21:07,114
Speaker 3: a jerk.

514
00:21:07,274 --> 00:21:08,354
Speaker 2: But we love the music.

515
00:21:08,674 --> 00:21:11,273
Speaker 3: But pop girls, we really expect them to be like,

516
00:21:11,354 --> 00:21:15,154
Speaker 3: as you said, perfect princesses, always behaving correctly, like other

517
00:21:15,234 --> 00:21:17,914
Speaker 3: worldly figures. And she doesn't want to be a perfect

518
00:21:17,994 --> 00:21:21,034
Speaker 3: pop princess as she should and she shouldn't.

519
00:21:21,114 --> 00:21:22,314
Speaker 2: But also, don't youell little liven.

520
00:21:22,234 --> 00:21:23,794
Speaker 3: Year oals if it happens, I don't know, we want

521
00:21:23,794 --> 00:21:24,834
Speaker 3: the security guard to come forward.

522
00:21:24,914 --> 00:21:25,914
Speaker 2: Someone find that man.

523
00:21:26,114 --> 00:21:28,273
Speaker 1: Come and find that man. We'd love to interview him

524
00:21:28,314 --> 00:21:29,954
Speaker 1: at this will thank you so much.

525
00:21:31,554 --> 00:21:34,513
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of shocking celebrity news over the weekend, and

526
00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:38,394
Speaker 3: I was genuinely shocked to see this. Is that The Bachelorettees,

527
00:21:38,434 --> 00:21:39,994
Speaker 3: or the US version of The Bachelor, the main one

528
00:21:39,994 --> 00:21:42,314
Speaker 3: that all the spinots come off, was about to launch

529
00:21:42,354 --> 00:21:45,714
Speaker 3: their new season this week. They're very highly anticipated new

530
00:21:45,754 --> 00:21:48,594
Speaker 3: season because they had done a bit of stunt casting

531
00:21:48,634 --> 00:21:50,714
Speaker 3: in a way they never have before, and they had

532
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Speaker 3: cast Taylor Frankie Paul. Yes, are you aware of that name?

533
00:21:54,034 --> 00:21:55,354
Speaker 1: I am aware of that name.

534
00:21:55,514 --> 00:21:58,634
Speaker 4: She is like the star from the Secret Lives, the

535
00:21:58,714 --> 00:22:00,394
Speaker 4: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

536
00:22:00,394 --> 00:22:00,874
Speaker 2: That's correct.

537
00:22:01,274 --> 00:22:02,954
Speaker 1: Clearly we are both fans of that show.

538
00:22:02,994 --> 00:22:04,834
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could never I know if everyone loves that show,

539
00:22:04,874 --> 00:22:06,513
Speaker 3: and I know it just big numbers, it just not

540
00:22:06,634 --> 00:22:07,074
Speaker 3: really for me.

541
00:22:07,474 --> 00:22:08,634
Speaker 2: The thing is, it's one.

542
00:22:08,474 --> 00:22:11,394
Speaker 4: Of those shows that I know, if I watch, that

543
00:22:11,434 --> 00:22:13,714
Speaker 4: will end up being my whole life, really and then

544
00:22:13,834 --> 00:22:15,954
Speaker 4: every weekend watch episode we do, I'll be like I

545
00:22:15,954 --> 00:22:17,834
Speaker 4: have nothing this week because I just watch it.

546
00:22:18,474 --> 00:22:19,994
Speaker 3: All right, Well, don't you watch that then, because that's

547
00:22:20,034 --> 00:22:22,234
Speaker 3: going to cause a roof between us. I did try

548
00:22:22,274 --> 00:22:24,274
Speaker 3: and watch it, but I'm not a reality TV out

549
00:22:24,274 --> 00:22:26,434
Speaker 3: the best of times, and I couldn't like but again,

550
00:22:26,474 --> 00:22:29,034
Speaker 3: I know see people love it and she's really Grace.

551
00:22:28,794 --> 00:22:31,274
Speaker 4: Who used to host this show, has famously said that's

552
00:22:31,274 --> 00:22:32,154
Speaker 4: like your one floor.

553
00:22:32,514 --> 00:22:34,474
Speaker 3: She's like, oh my god, she didn't say that was

554
00:22:34,474 --> 00:22:35,154
Speaker 3: my biggest WLA.

555
00:22:35,314 --> 00:22:37,714
Speaker 1: She's like, otherwise your purpose, you would be so perfect.

556
00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:39,554
Speaker 1: Just this one thing, just one thing.

557
00:22:39,594 --> 00:22:42,274
Speaker 3: And I tried to fix it, like just can't it's

558
00:22:42,314 --> 00:22:44,714
Speaker 3: Cardushians or nothing or somehow you.

559
00:22:44,674 --> 00:22:46,474
Speaker 1: Know, oh you do love something.

560
00:22:46,554 --> 00:22:51,594
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just talk about that. We have to talk. Yes,

561
00:22:51,714 --> 00:22:53,593
Speaker 2: So Taylor Frankie Paul, well, she was part of that

562
00:22:53,714 --> 00:22:54,634
Speaker 2: mum Talk group.

563
00:22:54,754 --> 00:22:59,354
Speaker 4: She started Mumtalk, so she started she really really famous

564
00:22:59,434 --> 00:23:03,274
Speaker 4: on TikTok because she started mum Talk posting like dances

565
00:23:03,434 --> 00:23:05,474
Speaker 4: showing like a glimpse of what it's like to be

566
00:23:05,514 --> 00:23:08,033
Speaker 4: a Mormon why, And that's how the show started. So

567
00:23:08,034 --> 00:23:10,114
Speaker 4: she's pretty much the star of Mormon Wives.

568
00:23:10,234 --> 00:23:10,474
Speaker 5: Yes.

569
00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:13,314
Speaker 3: And so she had a huge following, breakout star both

570
00:23:13,314 --> 00:23:16,714
Speaker 3: from her TikTok and from Mormon Wives TV show. And

571
00:23:16,794 --> 00:23:19,554
Speaker 3: so when she was cast as a bachelorette, everyone was like, wow,

572
00:23:19,594 --> 00:23:22,594
Speaker 3: that's you know a huge piece of like stunt casting.

573
00:23:22,634 --> 00:23:25,634
Speaker 3: But also people were really invested in her journey because

574
00:23:25,634 --> 00:23:28,154
Speaker 3: she's got three kids with two different men, and she'd

575
00:23:28,154 --> 00:23:31,954
Speaker 3: had like a volatile relationship with especially like Dakota, her ex,

576
00:23:31,994 --> 00:23:33,754
Speaker 3: who will get to because he's like heavily involved in

577
00:23:33,754 --> 00:23:36,754
Speaker 3: the whole situation. And there was this idea of, like,

578
00:23:37,114 --> 00:23:39,194
Speaker 3: you know, she's a single mom of three kids. She's

579
00:23:39,194 --> 00:23:41,954
Speaker 3: been through a lot of drama and scandal. She's admitted

580
00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:44,194
Speaker 3: to making like a lot of different mistakes and things,

581
00:23:44,274 --> 00:23:46,474
Speaker 3: and so I mean there's a whole we can't we

582
00:23:46,474 --> 00:23:48,434
Speaker 3: can't get into her whole backstory. So much has happened,

583
00:23:48,434 --> 00:23:51,033
Speaker 3: but she's lived, she's lived a life in the public eye,

584
00:23:51,154 --> 00:23:53,074
Speaker 3: and people love her, people hate her. There's a kind

585
00:23:53,114 --> 00:23:55,834
Speaker 3: of real mix set. And so there was this idea

586
00:23:55,874 --> 00:23:58,513
Speaker 3: of like watching her then fall in love on TV

587
00:23:58,714 --> 00:24:01,714
Speaker 3: after everything she's been through and how invested people are.

588
00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:04,634
Speaker 3: Everyone thought that it would be a huge ratings win

589
00:24:04,834 --> 00:24:05,514
Speaker 3: for the network.

590
00:24:05,594 --> 00:24:09,194
Speaker 4: Yeah, including the network, because she yeah, so so famous

591
00:24:09,274 --> 00:24:12,794
Speaker 4: and like I think the perfect formula for reality TV.

592
00:24:13,274 --> 00:24:16,313
Speaker 4: So famous but also so controversial. Yeah, so you're going

593
00:24:16,354 --> 00:24:18,234
Speaker 4: to have people who love her watching it, people who

594
00:24:18,274 --> 00:24:21,434
Speaker 4: hate her watching it. And then this whole show was

595
00:24:21,514 --> 00:24:24,394
Speaker 4: ready to go. But then three days before.

596
00:24:24,394 --> 00:24:26,994
Speaker 3: That is crazy to me to have a whole show filmed,

597
00:24:26,994 --> 00:24:30,114
Speaker 3: and a primetime show at that the promo had been huge.

598
00:24:30,154 --> 00:24:32,234
Speaker 3: I even think that Taylor Frankie Paul, like, if my

599
00:24:32,274 --> 00:24:34,594
Speaker 3: memory serves correctly, like she went on call her daddy

600
00:24:34,634 --> 00:24:36,634
Speaker 3: to announce it. Yeah, like that's how she was. The

601
00:24:36,674 --> 00:24:37,754
Speaker 3: whole thing rests.

602
00:24:37,514 --> 00:24:39,474
Speaker 1: For it, Like she was doing press right up until

603
00:24:39,634 --> 00:24:41,354
Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, it happened.

604
00:24:41,634 --> 00:24:44,314
Speaker 3: So ADCA, who is a network who runs The Bachelorette

605
00:24:44,314 --> 00:24:46,234
Speaker 3: in the US, three days before the show was set

606
00:24:46,274 --> 00:24:50,353
Speaker 3: to premiere, said that they were canceling it, and in

607
00:24:50,394 --> 00:24:53,194
Speaker 3: a statement, they said, in light of a newly released

608
00:24:53,274 --> 00:24:55,273
Speaker 3: video that has just surfaced today, we have made the

609
00:24:55,314 --> 00:24:57,354
Speaker 3: decision to not move forward with the new season of

610
00:24:57,394 --> 00:25:00,793
Speaker 3: The Bachelorette at this time and focus on supporting the family.

611
00:25:01,314 --> 00:25:03,674
Speaker 3: So what they're referring to is the day or so

612
00:25:03,794 --> 00:25:07,513
Speaker 3: before that, TMZ Always in the Mix had published video

613
00:25:07,594 --> 00:25:11,114
Speaker 3: from twenty twenty three that showed Taylor Frankie Paul throwing

614
00:25:11,234 --> 00:25:15,234
Speaker 3: chairs at her ex Dakota Mortensen while a child was nearby.

615
00:25:15,754 --> 00:25:18,354
Speaker 3: And if you watch the video, which I mean, I

616
00:25:18,354 --> 00:25:20,194
Speaker 3: wish I hadn't seen it, but yeah, it's very inten

617
00:25:20,394 --> 00:25:21,754
Speaker 3: I did watch it for this, but also it was

618
00:25:21,754 --> 00:25:24,714
Speaker 3: it's just everywhere, like you can't not see it, throwing chairs,

619
00:25:24,794 --> 00:25:27,674
Speaker 3: yelling a chair like looks like it hits a child.

620
00:25:27,914 --> 00:25:28,273
Speaker 5: It's all.

621
00:25:28,474 --> 00:25:31,714
Speaker 3: It's a very messy, upsetting video which would have been

622
00:25:31,714 --> 00:25:35,034
Speaker 3: messy and upsetting, but is made so much worse also

623
00:25:35,034 --> 00:25:37,794
Speaker 3: becoming such a legal issue because there was a child involved,

624
00:25:38,114 --> 00:25:38,553
Speaker 3: and it's.

625
00:25:38,434 --> 00:25:42,793
Speaker 4: Also seeing it because people who knew her knew that

626
00:25:42,914 --> 00:25:46,234
Speaker 4: this has happened, because this happened in twenty twenty three

627
00:25:46,754 --> 00:25:50,554
Speaker 4: where she was charged for aggravated assault and other charges

628
00:25:50,674 --> 00:25:54,073
Speaker 4: which include domestic violence and presence of a child. And

629
00:25:54,114 --> 00:25:58,034
Speaker 4: this was with her ex partner Dakota, and that was

630
00:25:58,114 --> 00:26:01,234
Speaker 4: kind of the pilot for Mormon Wives, Like the first episode,

631
00:26:01,314 --> 00:26:05,994
Speaker 4: they leant into this quote unquote storyline, yeah about the charges.

632
00:26:06,234 --> 00:26:09,394
Speaker 4: So this was no by the network from casting.

633
00:26:09,554 --> 00:26:10,074
Speaker 2: Oh yes.

634
00:26:10,154 --> 00:26:12,994
Speaker 3: And so a spokesperson for the Draper City Police Department,

635
00:26:12,994 --> 00:26:16,514
Speaker 3: which is the police department, like who is overseeing this investigation,

636
00:26:17,074 --> 00:26:18,954
Speaker 3: just gave a statement this week saying that there is

637
00:26:18,994 --> 00:26:23,674
Speaker 3: an open domestic assault investigation regarding both Taylor, Frankie Paul

638
00:26:23,754 --> 00:26:27,354
Speaker 3: and Dakota Mortenson. And they said allegations have been made

639
00:26:27,474 --> 00:26:31,154
Speaker 3: in both directions, but this has been an ongoing issue.

640
00:26:31,314 --> 00:26:34,194
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the timeline is kind of like people knew

641
00:26:34,234 --> 00:26:37,074
Speaker 4: about the charges in twenty twenty three when it happened

642
00:26:37,154 --> 00:26:41,994
Speaker 4: Mormon Wives got massive. The police department came out with

643
00:26:42,034 --> 00:26:44,954
Speaker 4: that statement. I think season five of Mormon Wives was

644
00:26:44,994 --> 00:26:46,474
Speaker 4: paused because of that statement.

645
00:26:46,634 --> 00:26:48,474
Speaker 3: Yes, so all the cast members have come out who

646
00:26:48,514 --> 00:26:50,034
Speaker 3: are in the midst of filming the new season of

647
00:26:50,074 --> 00:26:52,593
Speaker 3: Mormon Wives and said that something so intense is and

648
00:26:52,634 --> 00:26:54,394
Speaker 3: like upsetting is happening in their real life.

649
00:26:54,394 --> 00:26:55,874
Speaker 2: They've had to pause filming.

650
00:26:55,754 --> 00:26:57,634
Speaker 3: Which for shows like this, especially when someone like this

651
00:26:57,674 --> 00:27:00,114
Speaker 3: is happening with content, it's very strange for them to

652
00:27:00,434 --> 00:27:02,874
Speaker 3: pause filming. But all the women involved said it was

653
00:27:02,914 --> 00:27:04,914
Speaker 3: their decision that they just had to pull the plug.

654
00:27:04,994 --> 00:27:05,194
Speaker 5: Yeah.

655
00:27:05,194 --> 00:27:10,073
Speaker 4: But then after the police statement, the actual video leaked

656
00:27:10,874 --> 00:27:14,474
Speaker 4: via a TMZ, which is what everyone's seen now, And

657
00:27:14,514 --> 00:27:17,754
Speaker 4: then three days before the Bachelorette was meant to air,

658
00:27:17,954 --> 00:27:20,234
Speaker 4: Disney came out with that statement saying they're pulling the

659
00:27:20,234 --> 00:27:22,994
Speaker 4: whole show. It's been reported by Forbes that they will

660
00:27:23,074 --> 00:27:26,513
Speaker 4: be losing at least sixty million usd dolls. Oh, I

661
00:27:26,514 --> 00:27:29,914
Speaker 4: would believe it just from production costs, all the ad costs.

662
00:27:29,994 --> 00:27:32,154
Speaker 4: I think they're playing for day that it's meant to

663
00:27:32,194 --> 00:27:36,513
Speaker 4: go live. They're playing a rerun of American Idol episode.

664
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Speaker 2: It's just not going to bring this same is bringing

665
00:27:38,754 --> 00:27:39,594
Speaker 2: the same numbers.

666
00:27:39,634 --> 00:27:40,874
Speaker 1: But this is huge.

667
00:27:40,914 --> 00:27:44,273
Speaker 4: So a spokesperson from Taylor's camp has come out to

668
00:27:44,394 --> 00:27:48,434
Speaker 4: both Variety and People and they said Taylor is very

669
00:27:48,474 --> 00:27:52,234
Speaker 4: grateful for ABC support as she prioritizes her family safety

670
00:27:52,274 --> 00:27:56,474
Speaker 4: and security. After years of silently suffering extensive mental and

671
00:27:56,514 --> 00:27:59,954
Speaker 4: physical abuse, as well as threats of retaliation, Taylor is

672
00:27:59,994 --> 00:28:02,714
Speaker 4: finally gaining the strength to face her accuser and taking

673
00:28:02,754 --> 00:28:05,594
Speaker 4: steps to ensure that she and her children are protected

674
00:28:05,674 --> 00:28:08,554
Speaker 4: from any further harm. There are too many women who

675
00:28:08,554 --> 00:28:11,634
Speaker 4: are suffering in silence as they survive aggressive, jealous ex

676
00:28:11,674 --> 00:28:14,354
Speaker 4: partners who refuse to let them move on with their lives.

677
00:28:14,994 --> 00:28:17,154
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's very much framing it as like this

678
00:28:17,194 --> 00:28:19,634
Speaker 3: is almost like an attack, or this is something that's

679
00:28:19,674 --> 00:28:22,274
Speaker 3: happened to her and she's had to keep her family's safety.

680
00:28:22,834 --> 00:28:24,834
Speaker 3: I mean, look, there's a lot to sort of consider here.

681
00:28:24,994 --> 00:28:25,154
Speaker 5: One.

682
00:28:25,194 --> 00:28:27,033
Speaker 3: I think the conversation that a lot of people have

683
00:28:27,194 --> 00:28:30,474
Speaker 3: brought up is that ABC went ahead with casting her

684
00:28:30,594 --> 00:28:33,714
Speaker 3: as the lead of The Bachelorette, which very famously a

685
00:28:33,794 --> 00:28:38,754
Speaker 3: franchised that is very not about like hugely controversy or

686
00:28:38,954 --> 00:28:40,594
Speaker 3: it's meant to be a love story, like you're meant

687
00:28:40,594 --> 00:28:43,314
Speaker 3: to be rooting for the woman at the center to

688
00:28:43,394 --> 00:28:45,314
Speaker 3: find her person and fall in love. So they were like,

689
00:28:45,354 --> 00:28:47,554
Speaker 3: why did you cast her if you knew everything about

690
00:28:47,594 --> 00:28:50,194
Speaker 3: her and now you're punishing her for information that you

691
00:28:50,234 --> 00:28:52,994
Speaker 3: already had. And then the other side of it is like, well,

692
00:28:53,154 --> 00:28:54,834
Speaker 3: now that this has blown up and the video is

693
00:28:54,834 --> 00:28:57,834
Speaker 3: out there, how can you then be promoting this love

694
00:28:57,914 --> 00:29:00,754
Speaker 3: story that was filmed months ago and have this story

695
00:29:00,874 --> 00:29:03,994
Speaker 3: kind of playing alongside of it. You just can't have

696
00:29:04,074 --> 00:29:04,954
Speaker 3: that content out there.

697
00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:07,714
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I kind of like agree with the first

698
00:29:07,714 --> 00:29:10,874
Speaker 4: side of that because they pretty much showed their cards

699
00:29:10,914 --> 00:29:13,314
Speaker 4: ABC because they knew all of this stuff happened, like

700
00:29:13,354 --> 00:29:15,514
Speaker 4: it happened in twenty twenty three. Yeah, it was like

701
00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:18,434
Speaker 4: the catalyst for Mormon Wives, so they knew it happened.

702
00:29:18,674 --> 00:29:20,474
Speaker 4: But it's like when the rest of the world knows

703
00:29:20,474 --> 00:29:22,554
Speaker 4: what happens, then they're like, oh, we can't do the

704
00:29:22,594 --> 00:29:23,314
Speaker 4: same exactly.

705
00:29:23,314 --> 00:29:25,714
Speaker 3: It's too much it's so interesting, Like the amount of

706
00:29:25,754 --> 00:29:27,794
Speaker 3: money that they're losing is crazy. But also I can't

707
00:29:27,834 --> 00:29:30,034
Speaker 3: understand how they can't put on their screens. It's so

708
00:29:30,114 --> 00:29:33,354
Speaker 3: interesting with TV production because not that it's exactly the same,

709
00:29:33,394 --> 00:29:35,714
Speaker 3: but like with movies, you have to have insurance for

710
00:29:35,754 --> 00:29:38,474
Speaker 3: your So if your lead actor can't be insured, if

711
00:29:38,474 --> 00:29:41,154
Speaker 3: they had like a drug problem or more a sort

712
00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:43,114
Speaker 3: of a history of something and they can't be insured,

713
00:29:43,274 --> 00:29:45,114
Speaker 3: then they can't be in the movie. And I don't

714
00:29:45,114 --> 00:29:47,354
Speaker 3: think that's exactly the same thing here, but it's kind

715
00:29:47,354 --> 00:29:50,114
Speaker 3: of interesting that there's no sort of insurance or anything.

716
00:29:50,154 --> 00:29:51,154
Speaker 2: That would save them.

717
00:29:51,354 --> 00:29:53,474
Speaker 3: But I guess they pulled it because of a moral reason,

718
00:29:53,554 --> 00:29:55,354
Speaker 3: not because it was not physically able to go ahead

719
00:29:55,434 --> 00:29:56,154
Speaker 3: or anything like that.

720
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Speaker 4: And I also wonder, because we do talk about in

721
00:29:58,234 --> 00:30:02,234
Speaker 4: reality TV, like the curated storylines that happened, and I

722
00:30:02,274 --> 00:30:05,474
Speaker 4: wonder if there's anything that happened in the filming and

723
00:30:05,474 --> 00:30:08,314
Speaker 4: the production of The Bachelorette that kind of just made

724
00:30:08,354 --> 00:30:11,714
Speaker 4: the whole thing seem like blew up in a way publicly.

725
00:30:11,834 --> 00:30:11,994
Speaker 2: Yees.

726
00:30:12,034 --> 00:30:15,154
Speaker 3: So here's all the whispers behind the scenes, the leaked emails,

727
00:30:15,234 --> 00:30:16,994
Speaker 3: the dou noirs posts, all that sort of stuff. So

728
00:30:17,034 --> 00:30:19,834
Speaker 3: now we're getting into allegations. Okay, so everything else we've

729
00:30:19,834 --> 00:30:23,194
Speaker 3: just said statements, police reports, facts, we're getting into allegations now.

730
00:30:23,514 --> 00:30:26,594
Speaker 3: Is that yes, ABC was like worried about The Bachelorette's ratings.

731
00:30:26,714 --> 00:30:29,754
Speaker 3: They took a big swing with having like a personality

732
00:30:29,794 --> 00:30:32,314
Speaker 3: who you know, it was very polarizing come in and

733
00:30:32,354 --> 00:30:34,954
Speaker 3: then once they actually filmed the season, apparently it didn't

734
00:30:34,994 --> 00:30:38,034
Speaker 3: pay off. So and again these are just allegations. The

735
00:30:38,154 --> 00:30:42,154
Speaker 3: rumors are that people were already not happy with the

736
00:30:42,154 --> 00:30:45,074
Speaker 3: whole idea of like a mother leaving her three kids,

737
00:30:45,474 --> 00:30:47,394
Speaker 3: which I mean, I'm not getting in the wags with that.

738
00:30:47,394 --> 00:30:48,034
Speaker 2: They have dads.

739
00:30:48,114 --> 00:30:50,234
Speaker 3: I mean men go off and do and work and stuff.

740
00:30:50,274 --> 00:30:51,834
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know about that. We don't know

741
00:30:51,874 --> 00:30:53,874
Speaker 3: how it affected the kids. But there was a very

742
00:30:53,874 --> 00:30:56,594
Speaker 3: public perception of like, this woman is off dating all

743
00:30:56,594 --> 00:30:58,474
Speaker 3: these men in a house and dressing up in gowns

744
00:30:58,474 --> 00:31:00,714
Speaker 3: and stuff, and where are her kids, which is something

745
00:31:00,714 --> 00:31:02,594
Speaker 3: that mothers always get hit with. So there was that

746
00:31:02,674 --> 00:31:04,594
Speaker 3: thing of like they hadn't thought about how that was

747
00:31:04,634 --> 00:31:06,714
Speaker 3: going to play to the audience, and early kind of

748
00:31:06,754 --> 00:31:09,714
Speaker 3: whisper was that it was playing badly The other thing

749
00:31:09,794 --> 00:31:12,714
Speaker 3: is that apparently she didn't have any again allegations, but

750
00:31:12,874 --> 00:31:16,274
Speaker 3: interesting to know that she didn't have any chemistry with

751
00:31:16,354 --> 00:31:18,474
Speaker 3: anyone who was with any of the men. That's like

752
00:31:18,474 --> 00:31:21,034
Speaker 3: twenty two of then, I know, but also twenty two duds,

753
00:31:21,034 --> 00:31:22,034
Speaker 3: you know, I know, and like.

754
00:31:22,274 --> 00:31:24,074
Speaker 4: A little bit all of their faces together, I'm like,

755
00:31:24,074 --> 00:31:25,074
Speaker 4: this is the same man.

756
00:31:25,194 --> 00:31:27,594
Speaker 3: That's the same man, And it'd be like watching this

757
00:31:27,594 --> 00:31:29,234
Speaker 3: season of marrit at first sight, like they all look

758
00:31:29,274 --> 00:31:31,394
Speaker 3: the same. And so apparently there was no like sort

759
00:31:31,434 --> 00:31:33,434
Speaker 3: of chemistry. There was no big love story, and so

760
00:31:33,794 --> 00:31:37,514
Speaker 3: there wasn't even that opportunity for people to forget about

761
00:31:37,554 --> 00:31:40,114
Speaker 3: like the allegations, forget about things that she's done to

762
00:31:40,114 --> 00:31:42,114
Speaker 3: her coastars, forget about her kids being out of the house.

763
00:31:42,354 --> 00:31:43,274
Speaker 2: There wasn't enough of.

764
00:31:43,194 --> 00:31:45,074
Speaker 3: A love story to bring people in, so they worried

765
00:31:45,074 --> 00:31:47,394
Speaker 3: it was going to fall flat. The other allegation is

766
00:31:47,434 --> 00:31:49,874
Speaker 3: that she very quickly broke up with the person that

767
00:31:49,954 --> 00:31:52,474
Speaker 3: she chose at the end, and it was quite publicly

768
00:31:52,554 --> 00:31:54,914
Speaker 3: known that had happened, So it's like, how were we

769
00:31:54,994 --> 00:31:57,754
Speaker 3: gonna well, Apparently like like one of the guys had

770
00:31:57,794 --> 00:32:00,114
Speaker 3: been seen out with another girl. She'd been seen like

771
00:32:00,674 --> 00:32:02,434
Speaker 3: back around her ex or you know, there was all

772
00:32:02,434 --> 00:32:04,274
Speaker 3: this stuff and then people were leaking. They're just like, oh,

773
00:32:04,274 --> 00:32:07,314
Speaker 3: they barely lasted like three weeks after filming, and so

774
00:32:07,434 --> 00:32:09,314
Speaker 3: obviously they would have tried to keep that under wraps.

775
00:32:09,354 --> 00:32:11,034
Speaker 3: But you're not going to watch a show like that

776
00:32:11,114 --> 00:32:12,754
Speaker 3: and be so invested in it if you know that

777
00:32:12,794 --> 00:32:15,394
Speaker 3: she ends up with no one. Yeah, and so all

778
00:32:15,434 --> 00:32:17,954
Speaker 3: these allegations have come together, and the idea is like

779
00:32:18,194 --> 00:32:20,554
Speaker 3: the network was really quick to pull it and happy

780
00:32:20,594 --> 00:32:22,114
Speaker 3: to pull it because they knew it was going to

781
00:32:22,154 --> 00:32:24,274
Speaker 3: be a dud. But my thinking on that is like

782
00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:28,234
Speaker 3: you lose way more money from pulling it than having

783
00:32:28,234 --> 00:32:29,154
Speaker 3: a dud season go out.

784
00:32:29,234 --> 00:32:31,714
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, because I still like die hard Bachelorette fan,

785
00:32:32,074 --> 00:32:32,834
Speaker 4: and people sort of.

786
00:32:32,754 --> 00:32:33,754
Speaker 2: Watched it for the drama.

787
00:32:33,954 --> 00:32:36,114
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I do think it just came down to

788
00:32:36,154 --> 00:32:38,114
Speaker 3: the fact that these allegations were out there and then

789
00:32:38,194 --> 00:32:39,674
Speaker 3: like how can you have her getting out of the

790
00:32:39,674 --> 00:32:42,394
Speaker 3: car and the wet dress and like classic fairytale music

791
00:32:42,434 --> 00:32:44,754
Speaker 3: playing and then the next thing be like a news

792
00:32:44,794 --> 00:32:46,674
Speaker 3: and you know, cut from that to like a news

793
00:32:46,674 --> 00:32:49,874
Speaker 3: bulletin about like her domestic violence charges like it.

794
00:32:50,274 --> 00:32:52,474
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was like such a like I

795
00:32:52,474 --> 00:32:54,594
Speaker 4: don't know with ABC, like they already have like they

796
00:32:54,674 --> 00:32:58,234
Speaker 4: have so much money ABC US, and they could have

797
00:32:58,274 --> 00:33:01,274
Speaker 4: avoided all of this by just having someone else. They

798
00:33:01,314 --> 00:33:04,354
Speaker 4: really took a risk having her as a bachelor, I.

799
00:33:04,314 --> 00:33:05,514
Speaker 2: Know, but I just think they would like.

800
00:33:05,714 --> 00:33:09,994
Speaker 3: The announcement of her being the Bachelorette was huge. I rememberly,

801
00:33:10,034 --> 00:33:11,994
Speaker 3: even people in this office because everyone here loves Mormon

802
00:33:12,034 --> 00:33:14,394
Speaker 3: wives and stuff. People in the office were excited about it.

803
00:33:14,434 --> 00:33:14,714
Speaker 2: Heaps.

804
00:33:14,714 --> 00:33:16,714
Speaker 3: People I know who I didn't even realize liked her

805
00:33:16,714 --> 00:33:18,834
Speaker 3: and watch the show were posting about in their socials.

806
00:33:19,034 --> 00:33:19,914
Speaker 2: Again, she did that big.

807
00:33:19,954 --> 00:33:22,194
Speaker 3: She went on Call Her Daddy, which is a huge podcast,

808
00:33:22,714 --> 00:33:26,234
Speaker 3: to do the announcement, and like Alex Cooper was hyping it,

809
00:33:26,274 --> 00:33:28,714
Speaker 3: like everyone was all in on this casting. It was

810
00:33:28,794 --> 00:33:30,914
Speaker 3: such a huge thing and if it had paid off

811
00:33:30,954 --> 00:33:33,474
Speaker 3: for them, it would have been massive. And now people

812
00:33:33,514 --> 00:33:35,794
Speaker 3: are saying it's the death of the Bachelorette franchise in

813
00:33:35,834 --> 00:33:39,234
Speaker 3: the US, Like that's where we're at now.

814
00:33:38,354 --> 00:33:40,234
Speaker 1: Because it's already kind of died here, Hawsn't that?

815
00:33:40,434 --> 00:33:40,754
Speaker 5: Yeah?

816
00:33:40,834 --> 00:33:42,994
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's the thing I think sometimes, like in

817
00:33:42,994 --> 00:33:45,994
Speaker 3: Australia when it worked the best, I mean, early seasons,

818
00:33:45,994 --> 00:33:48,114
Speaker 3: we were just so happy with like any lovely young

819
00:33:48,114 --> 00:33:49,954
Speaker 3: woman who was going to find love. But then as

820
00:33:49,954 --> 00:33:51,994
Speaker 3: it went on, they almost did need a little bit

821
00:33:52,034 --> 00:33:54,154
Speaker 3: of stunt casting, like a Sophie mon cren Angie Kent,

822
00:33:54,194 --> 00:33:56,354
Speaker 3: someone who the audience already knew and was invested in,

823
00:33:56,514 --> 00:33:58,474
Speaker 3: And I think those worked quite well.

824
00:33:58,514 --> 00:34:01,314
Speaker 1: But also they were also like liked people like.

825
00:34:01,434 --> 00:34:04,634
Speaker 4: I think what THEIRBC also had to consider is because

826
00:34:04,634 --> 00:34:08,594
Speaker 4: it's in the primetime slot, it has to be family friendly.

827
00:34:08,913 --> 00:34:11,274
Speaker 4: It has to be family friendly TV because this is

828
00:34:11,354 --> 00:34:13,834
Speaker 4: the TV show that families are going to wash together

829
00:34:13,873 --> 00:34:15,834
Speaker 4: while they're having dinner and stuff, So it can't be

830
00:34:15,954 --> 00:34:17,873
Speaker 4: someone that So the fact that they even chose her

831
00:34:17,874 --> 00:34:19,834
Speaker 4: in the first place, knowing that this is the slot

832
00:34:19,834 --> 00:34:20,953
Speaker 4: it's going into.

833
00:34:20,874 --> 00:34:21,553
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.

834
00:34:21,634 --> 00:34:23,114
Speaker 3: And that's what a lot of people are say now

835
00:34:23,114 --> 00:34:25,354
Speaker 3: that they're backtracking realizing they've made a mistake. But the

836
00:34:25,354 --> 00:34:27,074
Speaker 3: thing is, I guess it could have been such a

837
00:34:27,074 --> 00:34:29,513
Speaker 3: big win if the season, if like all of these

838
00:34:29,554 --> 00:34:33,034
Speaker 3: allegations hadn't resurfaced, the video hadn't been read shared, there

839
00:34:33,114 --> 00:34:36,514
Speaker 3: wasn't renewed interest in like the potential charges against and

840
00:34:36,554 --> 00:34:38,393
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff. And she had filmed a

841
00:34:38,394 --> 00:34:41,154
Speaker 3: good season and she'd fallen in love with some unexpected guy.

842
00:34:41,554 --> 00:34:44,274
Speaker 3: So apparently like the network's looking into like what they

843
00:34:44,354 --> 00:34:47,073
Speaker 3: can do legally. Apparently Taylor Frankie Paul is also looking

844
00:34:47,074 --> 00:34:48,754
Speaker 3: into what she can do, but then she's also got

845
00:34:49,074 --> 00:34:51,874
Speaker 3: the other legal stuff around the domestic violence charges happening.

846
00:34:51,874 --> 00:34:54,194
Speaker 3: But apparently the other allegation is that their men on

847
00:34:54,274 --> 00:34:56,674
Speaker 3: the show are also looking if they can sue or

848
00:34:56,714 --> 00:34:59,114
Speaker 3: something because they filmed for months.

849
00:34:59,154 --> 00:35:00,553
Speaker 1: So I actually feel really bad.

850
00:35:00,674 --> 00:35:04,433
Speaker 3: Do you please those poor little entrepreneurs slash male models.

851
00:35:04,274 --> 00:35:06,993
Speaker 1: Beautiful influences? What are they gonna do?

852
00:35:07,234 --> 00:35:09,354
Speaker 4: I also feel bad for, like the people who would

853
00:35:09,354 --> 00:35:11,354
Speaker 4: have worked on the production of the shirt. I don't

854
00:35:11,354 --> 00:35:13,514
Speaker 4: feel bad for the network as a whole. In generally,

855
00:35:13,554 --> 00:35:16,594
Speaker 4: I feel bad for like the videographers and the producers

856
00:35:16,634 --> 00:35:19,234
Speaker 4: and the stylists. Like there are so many people who

857
00:35:19,234 --> 00:35:21,754
Speaker 4: get like their first big break and these shows and

858
00:35:21,834 --> 00:35:23,674
Speaker 4: having their names and the credits and being able to

859
00:35:24,114 --> 00:35:26,794
Speaker 4: use it in their portfolio that's just never going to

860
00:35:26,834 --> 00:35:28,473
Speaker 4: see the light of day, which is really sad.

861
00:35:28,474 --> 00:35:30,154
Speaker 3: At least those people have got paid by right then

862
00:35:30,154 --> 00:35:32,474
Speaker 3: they don't have their work on display, But Yeah, with

863
00:35:32,514 --> 00:35:35,234
Speaker 3: the contestants. It's interesting because obviously I'm not sure how

864
00:35:35,274 --> 00:35:37,594
Speaker 3: different it is in the US to Australia, but you

865
00:35:37,634 --> 00:35:40,394
Speaker 3: do get paid, like some money to be on the show.

866
00:35:40,794 --> 00:35:42,274
Speaker 3: So what the whispers are is are like, I gave

867
00:35:42,354 --> 00:35:43,914
Speaker 3: up my job for this, like I moved.

868
00:35:44,034 --> 00:35:45,873
Speaker 1: They're not doing it to get paid. They're doing it

869
00:35:45,914 --> 00:35:46,433
Speaker 1: to be seen.

870
00:35:46,474 --> 00:35:48,674
Speaker 3: They're doing it to be seen and to get famous.

871
00:35:48,714 --> 00:35:51,593
Speaker 3: And so they went through the whole ringmarole of filming when.

872
00:35:51,474 --> 00:35:53,393
Speaker 1: You're allowed to be famous if you want.

873
00:35:53,474 --> 00:35:56,074
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you go on a reality show. Those

874
00:35:56,114 --> 00:35:57,754
Speaker 2: men knew they probably weren't going to find love, and

875
00:35:57,954 --> 00:35:58,433
Speaker 2: they would have.

876
00:35:58,394 --> 00:36:03,834
Speaker 1: Been like working out and on diets because I always

877
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Speaker 1: have the shirts off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also actually such so apparently they're looking if

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Speaker 3: they can sue or not.

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Speaker 2: So I mean that's just an allegation, do you guys.

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Speaker 1: Chick in rickister as well? Can we jump in on this?

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00:36:14,554 --> 00:36:16,754
Speaker 2: Stop in? Can we get it on any lawsuit doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: But also I don't know if it's gonna help them,

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Speaker 3: because yes, I get some money, but also I don't

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Speaker 3: think you can sue if your show doesn't air.

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Speaker 2: Again, I'm not a lawyer. Don't quote me, I haven't

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Speaker 2: seen any contracts.

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Speaker 1: Don't these an they're gonna start contacting you.

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Speaker 3: No, I I'll be like, Okay, I've done one one

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Speaker 3: grade twelve semester of legal studies.

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Speaker 2: I can do this.

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Speaker 3: But also, like, obviously, like that's a whole kind of

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00:36:35,914 --> 00:36:38,314
Speaker 3: like craziness asiety, But the really serious thing is that

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Speaker 3: there's domestic violence charges here and children are involved, and

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Speaker 3: so in that case, I think it definitely was the

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00:36:44,194 --> 00:36:46,274
Speaker 3: right thing for them to pull the show. And like

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Speaker 3: that families already under so much public scrutiny for something

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Speaker 3: so like upsetting for those poor kids, and so having

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Speaker 3: this happening at the same time, it was definitely the

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00:36:55,514 --> 00:36:57,674
Speaker 3: right thing to pull it. But I don't think the

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00:36:57,714 --> 00:36:59,714
Speaker 3: scrutiny is gonna go away. I'm interested to see if,

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00:36:59,754 --> 00:37:02,754
Speaker 3: like Mormon Wives, like where they pick up filming and

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00:37:02,794 --> 00:37:04,913
Speaker 3: what happens, and like how much she is still like

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Speaker 3: the center of that show.

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Speaker 2: With what's happening.

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Speaker 3: And the last thing I'll say is, obviously I don't

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Speaker 3: condone any of Taylor Frankie Paul's behavior in the video

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Speaker 3: or anything that's happened with this sort of stuff around her.

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Speaker 2: Kids.

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Speaker 3: But I will just say that she's being crucified a

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Speaker 3: lot more than like a man would in this situation.

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Speaker 3: There's heaps of men who have domestic violence charges. Again,

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Speaker 3: so we give them oscars and we go to their

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Speaker 3: movie premieres and we make them president of countries, and like,

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Speaker 3: I just yeah, there's been a lot of men the

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Speaker 3: public guy who have had pretty terrible allegations out against

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Speaker 3: them who don't get like a fraction of this anger.

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Speaker 3: So not condoning her behavior, but also being like, we

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Speaker 3: just treat men and women in this situation very different.

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Speaker 4: And I think that also brings into the point of

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Speaker 4: the difference of like reading what happens in like court

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Speaker 4: documents versus seeing it.

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Speaker 1: In a video. Yeah, Like, I think.

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Speaker 4: The video was the catalyst that really made it blow up,

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Speaker 4: even though this is something that we've known collectively from

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Speaker 4: like years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So that is at the time of recording.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure more statements and things will come out, but

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Speaker 3: no Bachelorette. But I guess if you want to watch

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Speaker 3: a rerun of a strain Idol got Parma.

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