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Speaker 1: the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy are not the same thing.

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Speaker 1: a lawyer turned unentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels

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Speaker 1: is a series of conversations on finding a life you

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Speaker 1: To kick off twenty twenty three, we are chasing our

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Speaker 1: Like are there things you don't do because you're like

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00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: my fingers might get Yeah, so insurance, so insurance for fingers.

429
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: They'll they'll tell you like what you can encope do

430
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 1: for instance, like I'm like I'm not day Loo's bum

431
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: but but almost but yeah, so like no basketball, Like

432
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: my piano teacher in when I was in year eleven,

433
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: for instance, she was like, you can't play tennis anymore?

434
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: And that like broke my heart because She's like, you're risks.

435
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: It's too risky. It's too risky, and it's true. So

436
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: do you have to do any particular like moisturizing now,

437
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: like do you cramp? Like how do you train your fingers?

438
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: I guess that's just the practice, right, like, because I

439
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: actually do compare musicians to athletes because it's literally if

440
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: you don't train consist then you go into doing an

441
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: hour and a half show like yeah, and you'll have

442
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: and you'll get you know RSI or yeahs like is

443
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: the piano elbow? No, but it's basically like RSI or tendonitis.

444
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: It's notorious pianists get them all the time. It's so

445
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: up here, the paint up here, joints here. What do

446
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: you do about it? Like rehab or like pilates. Yeah,

447
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: there's a lot apparently luckily north Wood. Yeah, I've not

448
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: had it, but yeah, a lot of people go through

449
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: it and it's really sad. Wow. Yeah, and then God

450
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: forbid arthritis later on, and you see that a lot

451
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: in sort of older musicians. But yeah, I think the consistency,

452
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: and I saw this a lot through the pandemic, is

453
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: that some musicians just kind of sat back and was like, Oh,

454
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: I don't have any gigs, I'm not going to do anything.

455
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: But then once things opened up and they went slammed

456
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: into like back to back shows, that's, of course you're

457
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: going to injure yourself, which is the set. Yeah, the

458
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: same as anything is. If you're out of practice, you

459
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: can't expect to perform that at the same level that

460
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: you have before. Exactly. I'm so fascinated by also, like

461
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: the really fine distinction between loving something and learning to

462
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: be good at it through practice, and also being born

463
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: with an innate talent, particularly in the arts, because I

464
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: think there are people who are not necessarily the technically best,

465
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: but who have the most heart when they perform, and

466
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: then vice versa, and then there are people who don't

467
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: read sheet music but can play by ear and also

468
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: the reverse. Do you think that you were born with

469
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: an amazing musical ability and then have honed it or

470
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: do you think you learned it? Do you read sheet

471
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: music innately? Do you play without it? Like how has

472
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: your repertoire built itself? And now if you hear a song,

473
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: could you just like sit down and play it or

474
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: dold you need the sheet music? I can definitely just

475
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: play it from just hearing it. Yeah, it's a little

476
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: fun party trick when you press like a cord and

477
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: then I'll be like, yep, that's GF shops. Yeah, your

478
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: brain just does that, and it always like was it

479
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: easy for you when you were younger? So I really

480
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: believe that this So with that kind of stuff like

481
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: being called perfect pitch, that I think you're born with it,

482
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: but you have to have had someone develop it, otherwise

483
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: it just sits there dormant. Yes, So I was lucky

484
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: enough for my parents to just nurture all of that.

485
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: And I'm the oldest of three and I'm kind of

486
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: I was like the guinea pig, right, Mum was like,

487
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: let's see what we can do. Yeah, you know, so

488
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: I think I was lucky enough with that. But at

489
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: the same time, I love those diagrams where it's like

490
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: how much of it is talent, how much of it

491
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: is hard work, and how much of it is luck

492
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: And it has to be a combination of the three.

493
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: I think the hard like talent is great, but if

494
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: you don't work with on your talent, like it's just

495
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: going to go to waste. I think, yeah, it will

496
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: only get you so far. As well. So true, And

497
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: I think luck is the same, like people off and

498
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: attribute too much to like they're like, oh, I was

499
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: so lucky to get here, And it's like maybe that

500
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: pushed you a third of the way, but without talent,

501
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: but also the you know, dedication and hard work in

502
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: the hours and bloodsweat and tears like it does. It

503
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: takes all three of those things so much. And I

504
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: don't think we think about that as much, no, I think,

505
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: And it's a constant struggle for classical musicians. I think

506
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: because there's so many talented musicians out there, and I

507
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: get frustrated seeing some of these talented musicians. I'm like,

508
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: but why aren't they like biggest stars, you know, why

509
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: aren't they doing the world tour. It's like, you're so

510
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: freaking talented. But it's the networking as well, yeah, you know,

511
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: and I hate to say it, but it's it's compulsory, yeah,

512
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: like engracing your profile as well as your technical proficiency.

513
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: I think that's the same with a lot of people.

514
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: They find like they hate social media, oh yeah, and

515
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: they get resentful. But then it's like, well, if you

516
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: harnessed it, and I know that it feels like a

517
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: distraction from what you're doing, But it's actually really complementary

518
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: to what you're doing, because no one knows about your

519
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: talent unless you promote the talent. Like, even though it

520
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 1: feels weird, it's so necessary. Yeah, and then they're like,

521
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, but now I'm like commercial and you're

522
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: hardly commercial, darling. You're not making any money's commercial. But

523
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: it's like kind of old conservative, classical mentality, and I

524
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: just it's really tough. Yeah, hard to see. What is

525
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: your favorite kind of performance and favorite composer to perform

526
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: or favorite genre? Like do you prefer the big auditorium

527
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: or do you prefer the intimate? Do you prefer like tonight,

528
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: I'm so excited tonight we get to come and see

529
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: you play Disney. Like what is your ultimate dream? If

530
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: you had no money, expectations, no time restraints, nothing, what

531
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: would you do? That's a dream question. It's such an

532
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 1: interesting one too, because of course other things come into play,

533
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: But if you could just do you know, one thing

534
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: over and over again, what would it be? So I

535
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: have this concert series that is called Perfect Pairings where

536
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: I pair music with wine. Oh my god, why would

537
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: I come to that? Yeah? I know it's really hard

538
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: to put on though. So essentially I started in twenty fifteen,

539
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: and I have a very keen interest in wine, Like

540
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: my dad fed me wine from when I was twelve

541
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: years old. Like that's why I'm so good a piano,

542
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: because I've wasted all the time. I don't deal with nerves.

543
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm just drunk. Yeah, it counts the nerves. Yeah. So essentially,

544
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: because of this love of wine and then this love

545
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: of piano, I wanted to put it together and in

546
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: a way where the language and the words you use

547
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: to describe wine is very similar to how you describe

548
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: certain pieces, And so I would take people journey and

549
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: so you think, like champagne is like bubbly, so like

550
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: you'd play something light and bubbly, and then you take

551
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: them on that journey of a wine tasting flight, and

552
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: you go into the whites a bit heaviert, lighter reds,

553
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: heavier reds, and so you take them on a journey.

554
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: It's the same way I would create a concert without

555
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: the wine, with or without, but this now is adding

556
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: that extra element of sense of taste, right, not just

557
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: listening and watching, but it's taste as well. So I'd

558
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: work with some alias, i'd work with chefs, And since

559
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: then we've done six different countries in vineyards and then

560
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: in like cellar doors and that kind of thing. Oh

561
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: my god, but that's that's literally my dream job because

562
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: I get to drink on the no because it's like that,

563
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: that's my love language. That's amazing. Yeah. So I have

564
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: this big thing on this show that not only do

565
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 1: most people have more than one passion or more than

566
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: one joy, but someone out there is looking for exactly

567
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: what you have. Like even if the combination of your

568
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: two passions is kind of weird or they don't necessarily

569
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: automatically go together, someone out there wants you to combine

570
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 1: them in a way that's really unique and different. And

571
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: I think often we think, well, wine doesn't help my music,

572
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: or music doesn't help my wine, So unless it's related

573
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: to my job and it's going to make me more successful,

574
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: like I won't waste time. Whereas I think, like, put

575
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: them together and find a way to unite them, because

576
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: that makes you so happy, it makes you. I think

577
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: it's like being more conscious as well, because for instance,

578
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: if you were cooking at home, yeah, you turn music on, right,

579
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, one hundred percent would your poor glass

580
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: of wine the Valdie right, Oh amazing, there you go.

581
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: So then and once you sit down like shit in

582
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: the pan ya that's me summer. And then you sit down,

583
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: you might change your music and then you have dessert

584
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 1: or like at the end of the night, you might

585
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: change your music again and you change your wine. But

586
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: this is done subconsciously. Yes, I think for the most part.

587
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to generalize, but you just turn it on,

588
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: like what am I feeling right now? But once you

589
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: make it a conscious thing by marrying the two things together,

590
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: it changes how you listen, It changes how you taste things. Wow.

591
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: So okay, follow on to that question about like dream scenarios.

592
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: If there was anyone you could play with if he's listening,

593
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: like dead or alive or even just sit with, who

594
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: would be like the five composers or musicians who you

595
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: would love to do either a collab with or just

596
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: be or learn from or be around or to play

597
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: Who are your favorite people to play? Marry Well Chopin's

598
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: my favorite classical composer because he pretty much dedicated his

599
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: entire life writing music just for the piano. So I

600
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: think that's so unique and he only lived for thirty

601
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: nine years, so really yeah, he was really sick a

602
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: lot of the time. So you know, just to think

603
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: like what he gave us and what he could have

604
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: for maybe another thirty years given us. So I find

605
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: that fascinating, Like I'd love to sit down with him

606
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: John Legend, as I mentioned, because I'm literally going to

607
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: try and get this into his ears somehow, like the

608
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: six groes of Separation. I'm like, if they don't collaborate,

609
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: I have failed. We're putting it up, we are putting

610
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: a manifestation. Yes, yeah, And then I think Lang Lung

611
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: as a pianist is just he's ticked everything, Like he's

612
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: done everything. He's played with John Legend. Okay, so yeah,

613
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: you together, you do a little trick exactly piano six hands,

614
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: It's okay. Yeah. I just think he is incredible as

615
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: a pianist and everything he has done in business wise

616
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: as well. You know, he's got his own line of pianos,

617
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just cool. That is so cool.

618
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: The reach that he has been able to create with

619
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: classical music is amazing to see. Wow. So that's three.

620
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: So do you find that one of the things we

621
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: talk about a lot. There's a section called playta, which

622
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: is the idea that even if you love your job,

623
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: maybe especially if you love your job, you still have

624
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: to always have some kind of joy or play or

625
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: hobby or whatever you want to call it that's not

626
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: related to in your case, music, because otherwise you get

627
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: all consumed, you can't get distanced, you don't remain fresh.

628
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: But also then if everything is about work, you know

629
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: you'll burn out. And there's you know, you're not meant

630
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: to even if you love what you do, We're not

631
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: here to just work and die. There's meant to be

632
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: a place where you're just you know, totally forget what

633
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: time it is or where you're just doing things for enjoyment.

634
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: But because music is everywhere, like I imagine even watching movies,

635
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: you'd be tuned into the score in a way that

636
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: other people aren't. So how do you wind down from

637
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: not thinking about music? And what do you do just

638
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: for fun other than play the piano? Drinking wine is

639
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, like going to vinyards. Yes, yeah, I

640
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: don't have a drinking problem process, no problematic, normal level drinking,

641
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: like actually spending time in vineyards. I think I'm talking

642
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: to again, it's the I love the process. Yeah, I

643
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: love the making process. I honestly, I couldn't care about

644
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: the end result. Once you get there, it's done. But

645
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: for me, it's the process and the challenges the whole way.

646
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: Like that brings me so much. I don't know, it's

647
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: not gratification. It's just like the struggle. I love the struggle,

648
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: and I love seeing it in others as well and

649
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: learning from that. I know it's still work related when

650
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm learning things, but I really enjoy I don't know,

651
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: vineyards for me are it's a happy place. Beaches. Love

652
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: the beach, So that's also like clears my head for sure.

653
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: And then actually after like doing a concert or being

654
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: in the studio for so long, I actually don't turn

655
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: on any music in the car. Yeah. You just need quiet,

656
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: like absolute silence, and it's like a crazy person, but

657
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: like you're a psychopathic no, Yeah, it's amazing. We need

658
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: to sit in stillness more often. Yeah, Like and sometimes

659
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: I just sit in the car silently, not driving, just

660
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: over by myself, just sitting in the car. Yeah. I know,

661
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: now I sound really crazy, but not at all, especially

662
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: given that sound is your everything. Yeah, like the idea

663
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: of not having sound stimulation is probably your brain's way

664
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: of just like chilling out, It's true, Yeah, like you

665
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: just subconsciously analyze everything. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like

666
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: once like whatever you love, whatever that happens to be,

667
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: you start seeing that in the world everywhere around you.

668
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: And so unless the world is never going to go

669
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: by the way, here is a way for you to

670
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: switch off. You actually have to choose to block it out.

671
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: Otherwise you could continue being stimulated forever and never come

672
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: down from that high. So I feel like for you

673
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: that would be cutting off music. Otherwise your brain would

674
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: just be like yes, yeah, sometimes, I mean sometimes I

675
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: try to listen to other genres of music, but even

676
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: then I'm like analyzing it. Yeah, how can you think this? Yeah,

677
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: or be like, oh, that's an interesting sound. I'll add

678
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: that to the next light production. So yeah, so what

679
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: is next for you? What is like I was looking

680
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: at a schedule before, and you literally have a different

681
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: state every like day and a half. Then are on

682
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: a boat, then a back, then you're back in Melbourne.

683
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: You're doing the Candlelight series. Is I went to for

684
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: Valdi four seasons, so it was the first one I

685
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: went to and that was a string quartet. But tonight

686
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: we're coming to see you for Disney and you're doing

687
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: a series of those. What else is coming up? What

688
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: else do you hope? Like, is there any big bucket

689
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: list item in your career or in life that twenty

690
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: twenty three holds for you? Like, so it's very much.

691
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean, the Candle Light series is continuing and I

692
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: do that throughout Australia and over in the States as well,

693
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: So this is light but everywhere, don't they? Yeah? Yeah,

694
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: it kind of like started in Madrid. Funnily enough, it's

695
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: started in Spain, but then they have their American company

696
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: and then it's spread to Australia. But it's Fever. Is

697
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: that the company? Yes, yeah, right, yeah, so that's kind

698
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: of the platform. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, So yeah, a

699
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: couple of those. There's a really big actually a big

700
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: free one that they don't like to advertise. But what

701
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: is that fed square on Valentine's Day? Gosh, it's really beautiful.

702
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: There's like I actually think there's ten thousand candles out there. WHOA.

703
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: We did it last year and it was wild. It

704
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: is for anyone who doesn't know what these are it's

705
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: a series of concerts all around the world in different

706
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: locations like at the Athename Theater. I think I went

707
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: to one at the State Light as well. Yeah, tonight's

708
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: is the National Theater. Like they're all over the place

709
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: and they're done by candlelight. And in Australia because of oterness,

710
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: they're done by not real candles. No, no really, yep,

711
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: they're all they're all the flickering LEDs. I think because

712
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: I was like typical Australia Europe that just be like

713
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: oh no, but it feels like real. It would be

714
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: in flames my dress. Yeah, yeah, I have not so

715
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: many of us. It's so magical, the know, like lights light,

716
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: normal lighting. Yeah, again it changes how you listen. But yeah,

717
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: then then there's different programs. It's classical programs and then

718
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: there's sort of more tribute programs like last week I

719
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: did Fleetwood Mac Friends. Yeah, and it's like it's super

720
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: nice and just to be able to create instrumental versions

721
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: of these songs, I think for me again, it's that

722
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: cross pollination of classical upbringing and learning these instruments, but

723
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: trying to emulate like a band or trying to emulate

724
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: a vocal line, you know, So creating interesting versions and

725
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: arrangements of these songs is what you write them all for?

726
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: These rite for a lot of well for my shows definitely,

727
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: oh yes, because I enjoke because then again it's sort

728
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: of of me that they're hearing. Yeah, I can totally

729
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: play someone else's arrangement, and I have done that for

730
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: various other shows, but part of the enjoyment is putting

731
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: a part of me in it. Yeah. Oh, I'm even

732
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: more excited. Yeah. So these arrangements yeah, which then, funnily enough,

733
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: translated into the Princess and the Piano album which came

734
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: out last sight. Yeah, and that is what else is

735
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: coming and unnamed as yet fourth album with Universal, Yes,

736
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: which is coming out. When is that I think we're aiming. Yeah,

737
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: so I'm starting to kind of demo ideas and play

738
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: around with arrangements, yeah, and just creating. So essentially the

739
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: idea behind it is creating a Lullabis album, but we

740
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: don't want to do the traditional lullabies, you know, we

741
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: want to again make it a little more relevant, but

742
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: create classical mellow versions of late nineties and early two

743
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: thousand R and B tunes. Oh my gods so excited. Yeah, yeah,

744
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: or the mummas, can you sing along to their babies

745
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: or not? Just play for yourself, just by myself my

746
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: car at the side of the road. You're silent on

747
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: one side of the road. I'm on the other side.

748
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: Does it just come to you, like will you just

749
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 1: be in the shower and suddenly you're like, I hear

750
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: the composition for this particular R and B song in

751
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: Lalla by form on the piano, like, how do you

752
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: convert it? Definitely some more melodic and lyrical ones. I

753
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: always try to find those, because like, you do need

754
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: the melody there in the first place. But that's why

755
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: the nineties and two thousands are great. It's that I

756
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: find R and B these days is very different, Like

757
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: it's really like one note you just be on the Yeah,

758
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: so slightly different. But then I definitely have to sit

759
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: at the piano to flesh it out. And yeah, so

760
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: like Neo's so Sick, for instance, It's like that works

761
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: for sure, I'm so excited, so yeah, just flashing it out,

762
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: And that's that's the thing. It does take time. You

763
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: can't just sit at a piano and suddenly be like, oh,

764
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: I have a free hour. Let's do this because your

765
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: brain also might not be inspired at that point. Yes,

766
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: So if I've got a lot on my plate with shows,

767
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: it's again, yeah, it's It's definitely a juggle. But I'm

768
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: very passionate about this album and I can't wait for

769
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: it to come out. So it will come out hopefully

770
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: by the middle if not, yeah, middle of this year,

771
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: or we'll be following along closely. I'm so excited too. Well.

772
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: Second last question for you, just to finish up, what

773
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: are three interesting things about you that don't normally come

774
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: up in conversation. Oh my gosh, only someone who lived

775
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: with you would know, Like, weird habits, middle names, quirky

776
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: like party tricks other than being out of player without

777
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: reading the sheet music. I set my alarm clock at

778
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: really weird times. Yeah, like eight forty two. Oh yeah,

779
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: all nervous. I'm like a round number gap. Oh really yeah? Yeah,

780
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: even my volume has to be on an even number.

781
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah, are you superstitious? No, it's not

782
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: even for that reason. It just looks gross, Like I'm

783
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: just like very mildly OCD. Sometimes, like if someone leaves

784
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: it at like forty seven, I'm like, oh no, no,

785
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: I can't do that. But I kind of like trick

786
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: my own brain. I'm like, if I set my alarm

787
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: at eight forty two, it means I've got three more

788
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: minutes to just hang to, just just chill, just snoop

789
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: in the bed. Three minute. Yeah, I get it. Like

790
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: if it's if I say I'll do something at seven o'clock, yeah,

791
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: but it gets to like seven o three, I'll be like,

792
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: oh I have to do it at eight o'clock. Like

793
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: I'll just wait, stop it. I'm like very even, like

794
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: round numbers. Yeah, how weird. Yeah, kind of odd. Okay,

795
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: that's a good one. That's but I feel like I'm

796
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: generally like quite organized, and you know, like, yeah, but

797
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: that's that's an odd one. Are you good at languages?

798
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: Because of music? So I learned German? Right, yeah? And

799
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: I did it for my HSC again because I thought

800
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: it would be handy for music to All great composers

801
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: were German, right yeah. So I thought I actually thought

802
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: I would end up in Vienna to study. And so

803
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, let's get ahead. I love me

804
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: just organized. Do you speak Vietnamese? I do? I don't

805
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: speak read and write actually you have to speak anti Vietnamese.

806
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: No way, Oh I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, you

807
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: guys can have a chat later. Ah yeah, my mom again,

808
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: she's amazing. She's a teacher, right, she's got all the

809
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: patients in the world. So in our school holidays, she

810
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: she had a great way of like getting us to learn.

811
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: She'd be like, Okay, so we'll learn Vietnamese today, and

812
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: then I want you to write an email to your

813
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: uncles and aunts in Vietnam and for every hundred words,

814
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: I'll give you a dollar. And I was like, oh, sweet,

815
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: smart lady. That's like, that's how I'm going to earn

816
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: my puppet money. It's all about incentivization. That's all you

817
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: need to do. Put some food or money and I'll

818
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: do anything. Yeah. Absolutely, so yeah that was That was

819
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: in our school holidays. That's what we do. And like

820
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: for the third thing, this is a random question that

821
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: I actually should have asked earlier. I just didn't think

822
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: of it until now. Did you find when you were

823
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: younger that there was any particularly because you did music

824
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: from such a young age. Was there, ever, did you

825
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: ever experience any racism when you were younger for being

826
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: like the typical Vietnamese with Tiger parents learning piano or

827
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: doing classical music, Like it's so stereotypical. Did you ever

828
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: find growing up in Sydney hard in that respect? So

829
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: this is the wild thing. And because I guess this

830
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: conversation is definitely in the forefront in the last couple

831
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: of years, I find with Asian hate and whatnot that

832
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: I had to question myself and then I asked my

833
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: parents as well. I said, did we experience any bullying

834
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: or racism? And the answer is actually no, not until

835
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: I was joining a cruise ship in Perth, sadly, but

836
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: after school, oh yes, well and truly oh yeah. And

837
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: we grew up in a very white Australia area. We

838
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: were the only Vietnamese kids in the school. But it

839
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: was never did I feel polarized or never do. It

840
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: really was beautiful, like especially having heard other people's stories,

841
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 1: and never like oh, she just plays piano, she's a freak,

842
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: like you know, none of that either. I felt really

843
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: lucky for somehow magically we I don't know, dodged it.

844
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: But I also think that's beautiful because I think because

845
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: it's become such a big conversation as well, it's almost

846
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: like everyone's not says that it happened, but it's almost

847
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Speaker 1: like you feel like it should have happened because everyone

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Speaker 1: else said it happened. So it's like even though you

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Speaker 1: said you had to dodge it, yeah, like it should

850
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: be that way. Yeah, you shouldn't have had that experience.

851
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: But it's unusual for someone, I think, to say, actually, no,

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Speaker 1: I didn't when I was. I did in high school

853
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Speaker 1: when any kind of difference was, you know, something that

854
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Speaker 1: we were all trying to suppress and all look the

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Speaker 1: same whatever. But primary school kids just don't even I

856
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: don't even notice. And I love that about young children

857
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: that don't see. And I think I even till now,

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Speaker 1: I'm I don't really notice if you're the only Asian

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00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: in the room, Like I don't that the sage're not

860
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: aware of it. Men, Yeah, until someone points it out

861
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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, yeah, I guess it doesn't

862
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: have to be a big part of your identity and experience. Yeah,

863
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: but for sure, I'm proud to be Vietnamese, and I'm

864
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: even more proud now, like when I see, you know,

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Speaker 1: the representation that is out there, Like I'm the biggest

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Speaker 1: campaigner for it, you know, but I do feel super

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Speaker 1: lucky that that was how I was raised and I

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Speaker 1: had beautiful, full friends around me and support. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh wonderful. Well, very last question, because I love quotes

870
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: so much, what is your favorite quote if you have on?

871
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I should have thought about this coming

872
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: on to here, because you are the queen of quotes.

873
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: Only if you have one, or even just like a

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Speaker 1: philosophy or a motto, gosh, I actually don't, and I

875
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: read them every day, you know, and I get inspired

876
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: by them every day. But I wouldn't say I have.

877
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: I guess the philosophy that I love to go by

878
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: is like, nothing's impossible, and don't be afraid of the

879
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: word no, like if rejection love, Yeah, just don't be

880
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: afraid of it. I love that. I always say, rejection

881
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: is simply redirection. Yes, it's amazing. Yeah, it's usually like

882
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: that actually, just wasn't meant for you, right, go on

883
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: to that other thing, right right? And yeah, and don't

884
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: be afraid to cold email someone and they don't reply.

885
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: It's okay. Also, you know, not replying is rejection, but

886
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: it's okay. It's not like no one knows. Yeah, it's

887
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: not that embarrassing. Yes, that's fine. Yeah, we're so scared

888
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: of that feeling of looking silly. Yes, just do it. Yeah,

889
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me so fascinating and

890
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about that. I will be. If you

891
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: hear some random singing in the broad or dancing or

892
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: like coming out, It'll be like, oh my god, get

893
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Speaker 1: that chick out of the back row. Love it. Make

894
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: sure to include the links to everything your website, your pages,

895
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: tickets to your shows whenever your album comes out, or

896
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Speaker 1: make sure to share with the neighborhood. Thank you so

897
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: much for joining. Thank you what an amazing woman with

898
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: such a special talent. As promised, I will put the

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Speaker 1: links to van AND's pages and upcoming shows too for

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Speaker 1: anyone interested. As usual, please shower van And with some

901
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: neighborhood love. Were so generously giving us her time, especially

902
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: just hours before a double show, tagging at van an

903
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Speaker 1: official and us so we can keep growing the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: as far and wide as possible. Meanwhile, Melbourne family, our

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00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: first sold out IRL date is coming up next week

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Speaker 1: and I'm so excited to meet you all. And Sydney.

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Speaker 1: As promised, we are coming up the week after and

908
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Speaker 1: there are only a few tickets left for that. I

909
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: think that's maybe only two or three at the time

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Speaker 1: of recording this for Friday, February twenty fourth, so don't

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Speaker 1: miss out on snatching those last tickets out. We are

912
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: so excited and already have done way more in the

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Speaker 1: first two months of this year than we did all

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Speaker 1: of last year. So we're up and up at the moment.

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Speaker 1: The state that makes the most noise is the one

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Speaker 1: that we will visit next. Oh my god, I'm starting

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Speaker 1: a fight, So start pestering us if you're keen for

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Speaker 1: a neighborhood catch up near you, if we haven't booked

919
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Speaker 1: your city already. In the meantime, I hope you're all

920
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Speaker 1: having a wonderful week and are seizing your yay