WEBVTT - 9 Essential Evening Wear Items 0:00:10.745 --> 0:00:15.425 You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges the 0:00:15.465 --> 0:00:18.545 traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 0:00:18.585 --> 0:00:23.065 recorded on, what's the difference between elevated cocktail and resort cocktail, 0:00:23.505 --> 0:00:26.705 formal and black tie? And should you wear heels or 0:00:26.745 --> 0:00:29.945 ballet flats? In this episode of Nothing to Wear, from 0:00:29.945 --> 0:00:33.825 the archives, Paula Joy and iChat about all things evening wear. 0:00:34.265 --> 0:00:40.225 Spoiler Smart Casual is canceled. Whoever said orange is a 0:00:40.265 --> 0:00:41.905 new pink with seriously. 0:00:41.505 --> 0:00:45.905 Disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have. 0:00:46.025 --> 0:00:46.505 To do it. 0:00:46.585 --> 0:00:47.825 You lived for fashion. 0:00:49.385 --> 0:00:52.305 Hello and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 0:00:52.425 --> 0:00:56.185 solves fashion problems no matter your age, size or budget. 0:00:56.865 --> 0:01:00.145 I'm Lee Campbell and today I'm joined by Paula Joy, 0:01:00.625 --> 0:01:04.025 magazine editor turned digital creator and the author of the 0:01:04.025 --> 0:01:08.145 book Glow Up, which is coming out really soon. Fun fact, 0:01:08.225 --> 0:01:11.105 Paula Joy gave me my first job in magazines when 0:01:11.105 --> 0:01:13.985 I was a little work experienced girl over twenty years ago, 0:01:14.105 --> 0:01:17.265 so I have known the stylish Paula for many decades. 0:01:17.945 --> 0:01:20.585 In this episode, we are going to help solve one 0:01:20.625 --> 0:01:23.385 of the fashion problems that can cause the most drama 0:01:23.465 --> 0:01:25.785 and most stress in our wardrobes, what to wed to 0:01:25.865 --> 0:01:29.385 or wedding, a party or an occasion that's a bit elevated. 0:01:30.385 --> 0:01:32.225 And at the end of the episode, I'm going to 0:01:32.305 --> 0:01:34.985 give you an insider view of all the fashion at 0:01:35.025 --> 0:01:38.665 Melbourne Fashion Week. So, Paula, the first thing I like 0:01:38.705 --> 0:01:41.185 to do with new guests is asked them to describe 0:01:41.225 --> 0:01:43.385 their style in three words. 0:01:43.585 --> 0:01:45.745 Can you do that three words? 0:01:45.865 --> 0:01:52.185 I am classic, simple, twisted, twisted. 0:01:52.185 --> 0:01:53.865 I love because I was just thinking in my head. 0:01:53.905 --> 0:01:56.265 But you're adventurous, so there's always a bit of a twist. 0:01:56.385 --> 0:01:57.545 I'm like a martini. 0:01:57.825 --> 0:01:59.345 Yes, you are a Martini. 0:01:59.545 --> 0:02:00.385 I'm a Martini. 0:02:00.425 --> 0:02:02.825 Now one more question before we get into the theme 0:02:02.865 --> 0:02:05.985 of the show. There's a theory that rings pretty true 0:02:06.025 --> 0:02:09.465 that women often wear ten percent of their wardrobe nine 0:02:09.665 --> 0:02:11.825 percent of the time. What do you have on high 0:02:11.945 --> 0:02:14.465 rotation that generally makes up your ten percent? You're always 0:02:14.465 --> 0:02:15.025 reaching full? 0:02:15.145 --> 0:02:18.545 Yeah, everyone's got a uniform. I think it's very true. Blazer, 0:02:19.105 --> 0:02:22.585 T shirt, jeans, that was very easy for you to 0:02:22.585 --> 0:02:26.225 come and train it and door sling back, Okay, slingback 0:02:26.225 --> 0:02:29.065 that it side down. Oh I need to get a 0:02:29.105 --> 0:02:33.385 good slingback. I'm forever reselling the slingbacks. I think, I like, Okay, 0:02:33.505 --> 0:02:36.345 it is events season, so maybe people are invited to 0:02:36.345 --> 0:02:39.945 a wedding, cocktail party, work Christmas parties. When you're in 0:02:39.985 --> 0:02:42.545 wedding season, it seems like theyre's seven thousand of them. 0:02:42.625 --> 0:02:45.185 I just went through the fortieth so there's been a 0:02:45.225 --> 0:02:47.585 lot on it once and oftentimes this time of year 0:02:47.625 --> 0:02:50.025 is when it happens for everyone. We need to talk 0:02:50.065 --> 0:02:52.865 dress codes because they are confusing and in twenty twenty three, 0:02:52.865 --> 0:02:56.065 in twenty twenty four, what do they even mean? So 0:02:57.025 --> 0:03:00.385 I want to talk about firstly, smart casual. What is 0:03:00.505 --> 0:03:04.265 smart casual to you? Where can that start and end? 0:03:04.305 --> 0:03:09.465 Do you think I hate smart casual? Smart casual is rude. 0:03:09.785 --> 0:03:13.145 Smart casual is so effing vague. 0:03:13.425 --> 0:03:15.625 It's vague, right, It is so vague. 0:03:15.785 --> 0:03:21.865 It is so open to miss interpretation, and it means nothing. 0:03:22.145 --> 0:03:22.465 Okay. 0:03:22.585 --> 0:03:24.945 It is like having a dress code when you're not 0:03:25.065 --> 0:03:25.905 having a dress code. 0:03:25.985 --> 0:03:28.625 Yeah, because to me, it happens people get told to 0:03:28.665 --> 0:03:29.465 wear smart casual. 0:03:29.545 --> 0:03:31.505 So time super Australian. 0:03:31.585 --> 0:03:34.225 I think it was made for men originally, like don't 0:03:34.225 --> 0:03:36.905 wear a suit, right, wear. 0:03:36.825 --> 0:03:38.225 A shirt and long pants. 0:03:38.345 --> 0:03:41.625 Yes, it's like, don't say smart casual because you'll get 0:03:41.665 --> 0:03:43.145 guys in board shorts. 0:03:42.785 --> 0:03:43.545 And T shirt. 0:03:43.825 --> 0:03:46.225 It's so true, that's what will happen. And what does 0:03:46.265 --> 0:03:50.625 smart casual mean for a woman? Pants and a nice top. Okay, 0:03:50.905 --> 0:03:53.665 a sun dress, but that depends on what time of 0:03:53.745 --> 0:03:56.145 day it is. And then if it's nighttime and you 0:03:56.185 --> 0:03:58.785 wear a dress, does that then tip it into cocktail? 0:03:59.145 --> 0:04:03.865 Yes? So for me, smart casual is pants and a top. 0:04:04.025 --> 0:04:06.625 Yeah, so maybe this season like a linen pant, like 0:04:06.745 --> 0:04:07.385 not jeans. 0:04:07.545 --> 0:04:08.545 I think jeans. 0:04:08.705 --> 0:04:11.945 No. To me, smart casual means yeah, don't wear a 0:04:11.985 --> 0:04:14.985 ball gown, but not your jeans and your thongs. 0:04:15.185 --> 0:04:18.305 No, you can be a tailored pant of some kind 0:04:18.785 --> 0:04:21.185 and a pretty top. Your top could be a little 0:04:21.225 --> 0:04:24.585 bit extra if you're wearing pants, so it's sort of 0:04:24.665 --> 0:04:27.105 you could be carry up top, corporate, down the box. 0:04:27.145 --> 0:04:28.105 Okay, I like that. 0:04:28.785 --> 0:04:32.585 Now, cocktail, I don't mind the dress code cocktail, but 0:04:32.625 --> 0:04:35.945 it's also pretty broad. I guess generally to me it 0:04:35.985 --> 0:04:39.105 means sort of a knee length dress. But what do 0:04:39.145 --> 0:04:40.345 you think cocktail means? 0:04:40.825 --> 0:04:41.185 Now? 0:04:41.385 --> 0:04:43.225 And then how far can we take that? 0:04:43.505 --> 0:04:47.225 Cocktail is very much is length, So I think it's 0:04:47.305 --> 0:04:50.225 like that tea length that like Prima Ballerina lengths. 0:04:50.865 --> 0:04:55.225 Knee length mini also fine good, I'm glad to say that. Yes, 0:04:55.545 --> 0:04:56.425 definitely mini. 0:04:56.545 --> 0:04:59.425 But do we have to wear a dress? 0:04:59.785 --> 0:05:00.425 No? 0:05:00.425 --> 0:05:02.945 No, you could easily wear like I love, like a 0:05:02.985 --> 0:05:07.505 tuxedo pant that's like a grazes the ankle, nice flat 0:05:07.545 --> 0:05:09.545 front head with a bit of a satin stripe, and 0:05:09.745 --> 0:05:13.585 even a beautiful white shirt, something sparkly at the neck, 0:05:14.065 --> 0:05:15.905 hair like yours is now red. 0:05:16.825 --> 0:05:23.065 Yeah okay. Footwear for cocktail hi? Hi? Yes, what if 0:05:23.065 --> 0:05:26.185 we hate a high shoe or we've got sore feet, 0:05:27.305 --> 0:05:28.705 a ballet flo this is fashion. 0:05:28.825 --> 0:05:33.025 No, ballet flat's are back, they are, but proportionately with dresses. 0:05:34.065 --> 0:05:36.545 A little here, like just a little heel, like I'm 0:05:36.545 --> 0:05:38.065 wearing a block heel at the moment. 0:05:38.145 --> 0:05:39.465 It's my new friend. 0:05:39.545 --> 0:05:42.425 I find a kitten heel, tough yea the older I 0:05:42.465 --> 0:05:44.705 get block hill, a stack heel, a wedge. 0:05:44.745 --> 0:05:46.665 Okay, So it doesn't have to be a giant stiletto 0:05:46.705 --> 0:05:48.905 when you say high heel, just something with a bit 0:05:48.945 --> 0:05:51.185 of dressiness to it's dressy, right? Yeah? 0:05:51.785 --> 0:05:54.585 Black tie? What does black tyming? Black tie is a 0:05:54.585 --> 0:05:58.865 tuxedo and a ball gown and ballgown is probably defined by. 0:05:58.825 --> 0:06:01.785 Length, so floor length is usually black tie. I think, 0:06:01.865 --> 0:06:04.705 so okay, can we wear a fancy suit to black tie? 0:06:04.705 --> 0:06:05.585 Do you think kiss? 0:06:05.665 --> 0:06:08.985 Absolutely totally you can. You can wear a tuxedo as 0:06:09.025 --> 0:06:09.425 a woman. 0:06:09.505 --> 0:06:10.105 I love that. 0:06:10.225 --> 0:06:12.585 In fact, yes, you do a do a suit very well. 0:06:12.945 --> 0:06:15.425 They're the general dress codes. But what do you do 0:06:15.465 --> 0:06:17.705 when you get one of those weird like I've got 0:06:17.705 --> 0:06:20.785 one come out called it says elevated cocktail. I mean, 0:06:21.105 --> 0:06:23.985 what's the difference in that? And sometimes you get like 0:06:24.145 --> 0:06:27.585 resort cocktail or you know, there's all these hybrids. What 0:06:27.665 --> 0:06:30.585 do you recommend to wear or do you ask the 0:06:30.665 --> 0:06:33.145 invitee elevated cocktail? 0:06:33.305 --> 0:06:34.865 That's enough to make you not want to go. 0:06:35.025 --> 0:06:37.185 It's enough to make me nervous, that's for sure. 0:06:37.465 --> 0:06:40.225 Oh my goodness. I mean that's just adding another layer. 0:06:40.545 --> 0:06:43.705 It's Australia. I'm guessing it's soon, so it's summer. 0:06:44.225 --> 0:06:46.145 What time of day is it? Evening? Evening? 0:06:46.225 --> 0:06:48.665 So you might be tempted to go beach to bar, 0:06:48.905 --> 0:06:50.905 but I want it to be more than that. I'm 0:06:50.985 --> 0:06:54.025 not making you wear black tie, like if you came 0:06:54.065 --> 0:06:56.665 in a ball gown. So I think they're the moments 0:06:56.705 --> 0:06:59.625 where you can go floor length but like a silk 0:07:00.145 --> 0:07:02.705 long dress for the shoestring strap, and you could wear 0:07:02.705 --> 0:07:06.305 a what you'd wear in Hawaii in a barmie sort 0:07:06.305 --> 0:07:08.745 of place, you know, to a lovely restaurant. I think 0:07:08.745 --> 0:07:11.825 you can do that for alevated cocktail. But elevated also 0:07:11.985 --> 0:07:14.385 means to me like push the fashion envelope. 0:07:14.545 --> 0:07:16.545 Yes, okay, you can have a bit of fun and 0:07:16.585 --> 0:07:18.145 don't whip out that old black dress. 0:07:18.265 --> 0:07:18.865 Yeah I want too. 0:07:18.985 --> 0:07:22.345 Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned nighttime. So when we're given 0:07:22.585 --> 0:07:26.345 a dress code, do you think it's important And I 0:07:26.425 --> 0:07:28.385 sometimes forget to do this, but you factor in the 0:07:28.465 --> 0:07:32.145 details of the invites, So the location the time, does 0:07:32.185 --> 0:07:34.825 that kind of indicate more about the dress code. 0:07:34.985 --> 0:07:37.585 Definitely, yes, for sure. 0:07:37.705 --> 0:07:39.705 If you're on the beach, if you're on the grass, 0:07:39.705 --> 0:07:42.545 if you're inside, if it's at eight o'clock at night, 0:07:42.665 --> 0:07:46.065 if it's at twelve o'clock in the day, you definitely. 0:07:46.145 --> 0:07:47.865 The lighting is so important to me. 0:07:48.545 --> 0:07:53.065 Lighting is super key to what I'm wearing because, particularly 0:07:53.065 --> 0:07:55.345 over a certain age, I would wear. 0:07:55.225 --> 0:07:59.065 A mini dress like a mini skirt still in the night. 0:07:59.305 --> 0:08:02.025 Sure in the day, I'm not doing that. 0:08:02.145 --> 0:08:04.625 Okay. So the key is in the details, not just 0:08:04.665 --> 0:08:06.865 the dress code of where you're being. Yes, I think 0:08:06.905 --> 0:08:09.105 it's also a confidence thing. I've tried things on it 0:08:09.185 --> 0:08:11.265 to change where I'm standing stiffly, and I think, oh, 0:08:11.305 --> 0:08:12.905 this looks great, and then I pop it on at 0:08:12.905 --> 0:08:15.185 home an hour before I go out, and I've walked 0:08:15.185 --> 0:08:17.425 around the house for now going I've actually not comfortable. 0:08:17.465 --> 0:08:19.465 I'm not going to have a good time. I'm self conscious. 0:08:19.505 --> 0:08:22.785 So I think it's making sure you enjoy wearing the item, 0:08:22.825 --> 0:08:23.985 not letting the item wear you. 0:08:24.345 --> 0:08:24.785 That's right. 0:08:24.865 --> 0:08:29.305 Confidence is your best accessory, no question. That is definitely 0:08:29.345 --> 0:08:32.625 what will make you look best, like not looking at 0:08:32.665 --> 0:08:35.145 trends and just sort of working within the dress codes. 0:08:35.345 --> 0:08:37.585 It's what looks good on you is going to make 0:08:37.945 --> 0:08:39.785 you be remembered, not the dress. 0:08:39.945 --> 0:08:42.545 I have a great time. Colors to a wedding, This 0:08:42.625 --> 0:08:45.665 is interesting. Can you wear white? No? 0:08:45.825 --> 0:08:48.225 Unless you're the bride. You cannot, unless you are a 0:08:48.265 --> 0:08:49.705 crazy askue. 0:08:49.265 --> 0:08:53.825 Stalker who wants to be mistaken for as a guest 0:08:54.025 --> 0:08:56.745 nay black to a wedding as a guest. Yes, I 0:08:56.785 --> 0:08:59.625 think you can. Twenty so you can. Yeah, But it 0:08:59.745 --> 0:09:00.945 used to be a bit frowned upon. 0:09:00.985 --> 0:09:03.545 Didn't it? It did, but that was you know, yeah, 0:09:03.665 --> 0:09:04.945 nineteen fifty fourths rule. 0:09:05.065 --> 0:09:07.265 Well, my bridesmaids were black jumpsuits and I think that 0:09:07.345 --> 0:09:10.665 were fabulous, So yeah, I'm all about black. Now, the 0:09:10.745 --> 0:09:14.265 average person doesn't want to buy a new dress for 0:09:14.345 --> 0:09:18.825 every event. I think that's incredibly normal. We've already talked about. Firstly, 0:09:18.905 --> 0:09:20.745 doesn't have to be a dressed. So what are the 0:09:20.785 --> 0:09:22.145 other options women can wear? 0:09:22.505 --> 0:09:29.425 Definitely separates like skirt, pants, top, jacket. I mean, if 0:09:29.465 --> 0:09:32.625 you build a wardrobe of separates that sort of can 0:09:32.705 --> 0:09:35.705 work at nighttime, even a cocktail dress with a blazer 0:09:35.745 --> 0:09:38.665 over the shoulders, things that sort of work back with 0:09:38.785 --> 0:09:41.145 each other. And you know a great pair of black 0:09:41.185 --> 0:09:43.145 pants that you can then just do I call them 0:09:43.145 --> 0:09:46.865 Saturday night toops. Just inexpensive tops that you can put 0:09:46.865 --> 0:09:50.985 with that fantastic well cut trouser and it looks different. 0:09:50.745 --> 0:09:51.825 Again and again and again. 0:09:51.985 --> 0:09:52.145 Yep. 0:09:52.225 --> 0:09:54.745 I know, classic pieces, I think, and a skirt in 0:09:54.785 --> 0:09:55.025 the toop. 0:09:55.105 --> 0:09:56.545 I never think of a skirt and a top for 0:09:56.665 --> 0:09:58.425 an event, but that's so true. It can look like 0:09:58.465 --> 0:10:00.265 a dress and then you've got separates to mix a 0:10:00.305 --> 0:10:02.905 match later. So if someone does want to buy a 0:10:02.985 --> 0:10:05.825 dress for this party? Seats and what style and color 0:10:05.865 --> 0:10:09.465 of jress would you look at? Obviously this is so individual. 0:10:09.705 --> 0:10:12.185 What are you seeing in stores now or that's hitting 0:10:12.185 --> 0:10:14.945 stores for this season that they could wear. 0:10:15.145 --> 0:10:19.905 It's a lot of bold color, neon color prints because 0:10:20.225 --> 0:10:23.785 every time spring rolls around, the fashion industry decides to 0:10:23.825 --> 0:10:25.185 throw a flower on a dress. 0:10:25.265 --> 0:10:30.345 Yeah, groundbreaking, groundbreaking. There's big sleeves are still there? 0:10:30.905 --> 0:10:34.665 Mini skirts again, the hemline's definitely gotten a lot higher, 0:10:34.825 --> 0:10:36.985 a lot of pink, a lot of yellow, lot of 0:10:37.065 --> 0:10:43.065 cobalt blue, almost like a Strayla sky bright bright blue netting. 0:10:43.585 --> 0:10:43.985 Netting. 0:10:44.225 --> 0:10:48.505 Yes, crochet, I saw the crochet. I don't know if 0:10:48.545 --> 0:10:50.865 I'm wearing the crochet. So out of all those trends, 0:10:50.905 --> 0:10:52.705 say someone thinking, yeah, I'll buy a dress, but I've 0:10:52.745 --> 0:10:55.705 got three events, what kind of trend or color would 0:10:55.745 --> 0:10:57.785 you suggest they go for so they can then try 0:10:57.825 --> 0:10:59.865 and make it different for each event. 0:11:00.065 --> 0:11:02.945 I think the best thing to do is choose a 0:11:03.025 --> 0:11:06.985 block color and one that isn't like neon yellow. You 0:11:07.025 --> 0:11:09.305 could take a pink or a blue, or a navy 0:11:09.385 --> 0:11:13.065 or a or a brown or black and change that 0:11:13.145 --> 0:11:15.745 with the shoes that you're wearing accessories in your hair, 0:11:15.945 --> 0:11:20.185 jewelry jacket, but prints or a real gold or something 0:11:20.185 --> 0:11:21.505 that's super obvious. 0:11:21.985 --> 0:11:24.025 You're not gonna get the same Miley Judtle. 0:11:24.145 --> 0:11:25.945 Yeah, and you're feel like, oh, that's that dress everyone 0:11:25.945 --> 0:11:28.625 knows I WI all that time exactly. Okay, what's your 0:11:28.705 --> 0:11:31.225 go to outfit that you know you can wear to 0:11:31.265 --> 0:11:33.825 almost any fancy event. So you've been invited to a 0:11:33.905 --> 0:11:35.985 last minute event, or you forgot to pick up what 0:11:36.025 --> 0:11:37.465 you thought you were gonna wear from the dry cleaner. 0:11:37.585 --> 0:11:39.905 What's in your wardrobe that you just grab and go? 0:11:40.065 --> 0:11:41.665 I know I can wear this and feel good and 0:11:41.785 --> 0:11:45.705 fit into the dress code. Black jumpsuit, black jumpsuit, jumpsuit. 0:11:45.985 --> 0:11:46.585 Interesting. 0:11:46.825 --> 0:11:52.065 Carla Zampatti really taught me about how to wear a jumpsuit. 0:11:51.545 --> 0:11:54.025 And how it's almost like wearing a dress. 0:11:54.025 --> 0:11:58.105 It's the combo, the hybrid between the suit and the 0:11:58.225 --> 0:12:02.585 little black dress. Has to be well tailored in something 0:12:02.625 --> 0:12:05.625 like a crape, so it's got a nice fall to it. 0:12:05.705 --> 0:12:07.465 Yeah, but it doesn't crease for travelers. 0:12:07.665 --> 0:12:09.585 Great for travel You can put a blazer with it, 0:12:09.665 --> 0:12:11.385 you can put a three quarter coat with it, and 0:12:11.385 --> 0:12:12.985 you can put a high heel with it a flat 0:12:12.985 --> 0:12:15.865 with it, you can change it just by your necklace 0:12:16.385 --> 0:12:16.665 like that. 0:12:17.025 --> 0:12:18.785 For me, is it I need to add a black 0:12:18.865 --> 0:12:21.585 jump soit mine is a satin. No, it's not satin. 0:12:21.625 --> 0:12:23.985 I think it might be real silk slip dress. And 0:12:24.025 --> 0:12:27.185 it's like a deep burgundy color. And I bought it. God, 0:12:27.465 --> 0:12:29.185 it's from Country Road. I must have bought it about 0:12:29.225 --> 0:12:31.265 eight years ago. And I've worn it with trainers and 0:12:31.625 --> 0:12:33.585 a denim blazer and I've worn it to a couple 0:12:33.585 --> 0:12:36.585 of weddings with big dangle earrings and matching like deep lip. 0:12:36.945 --> 0:12:39.625 It's the most versatile dress that if I ever have 0:12:39.785 --> 0:12:41.985 to pass it on, I'll be devastated. But never did 0:12:42.025 --> 0:12:43.825 I think when I bought it it would be that 0:12:43.865 --> 0:12:44.505 go to dress. 0:12:44.545 --> 0:12:45.505 No, but it's a classic. 0:12:45.505 --> 0:12:47.665 And also I think when you use something like a 0:12:47.705 --> 0:12:50.665 burgundy as a neutral, very powerful. 0:12:50.705 --> 0:12:52.745 Yeah, that's it. And my tip with slip dress is 0:12:52.785 --> 0:12:54.625 to always size up because they're cut on the bias. 0:12:54.665 --> 0:12:56.745 They're great on the body, but if you size up, 0:12:56.785 --> 0:12:58.345 they're just kind of a bit more effortless. 0:12:58.585 --> 0:13:06.025 Definitely love it. 0:13:09.185 --> 0:13:12.385 Okay footwear, we've touched it, but we're going to go there. 0:13:12.705 --> 0:13:16.265 It's an important decision. To make. Is there a style 0:13:16.345 --> 0:13:19.145 of shoe that people can get lots of wear out 0:13:19.185 --> 0:13:23.385 of that could be their go to four formal events. 0:13:23.545 --> 0:13:25.985 Let's talk spring summer. So I mean it could be 0:13:26.025 --> 0:13:28.585 closed in. But what shoe do you immediately think of? 0:13:28.745 --> 0:13:29.705 Pointy toad pump. 0:13:29.825 --> 0:13:32.185 Pointy toad pump for sure, that's. 0:13:32.025 --> 0:13:36.425 Just the classic. Because toes can sometimes be ugly. 0:13:37.305 --> 0:13:39.945 They can distract an outfit, like particularly in a floor 0:13:40.025 --> 0:13:40.625 length gown. 0:13:40.745 --> 0:13:43.345 Like I see brides walking down the aisle and the 0:13:43.425 --> 0:13:45.505 toes are coming before the dress and I'm like, that 0:13:45.625 --> 0:13:46.225 is a mistake. 0:13:46.345 --> 0:13:48.905 Yeah, you need a closed toes. 0:13:49.025 --> 0:13:52.865 So I think sounds are beautiful, But to me, a 0:13:53.265 --> 0:13:55.785 closed toe pump goes with a pant, it goes with 0:13:55.825 --> 0:13:58.665 a gene, it goes with any length dress. 0:13:59.025 --> 0:14:00.865 You'll get a lot of mileage out of there. That's true, 0:14:00.905 --> 0:14:01.145 isn't it? 0:14:01.185 --> 0:14:03.105 And maybe you haven't had time to get your petty 0:14:03.145 --> 0:14:07.065 done exactly hiding exactly right. Rosy Huntington Whitely does the 0:14:07.065 --> 0:14:10.065 most amazing pump with every outfit, And whenever I need inspiration, 0:14:10.105 --> 0:14:11.745 I just look at her on Pinterest and she's done 0:14:11.785 --> 0:14:13.905 it with casual and with formal, and it's always a 0:14:13.905 --> 0:14:14.585 pointy pump. 0:14:14.625 --> 0:14:16.025 It's always a pointed pump. 0:14:16.305 --> 0:14:19.385 Can you get away with flats to something fancy? 0:14:19.865 --> 0:14:22.625 Of course she can, Okay, of course she can. But 0:14:22.665 --> 0:14:26.105 then it needs to be the right dress or pant. 0:14:26.305 --> 0:14:28.425 And when we're talking flats, we're not talking haavyannas. 0:14:29.465 --> 0:14:32.505 We are not talking haavyannas. I've been wearing satin ballet 0:14:32.585 --> 0:14:38.185 slippers lately. That's been really something gorgeous and unexpected like that, 0:14:38.785 --> 0:14:43.865 or a really beautiful sandal that is good quality and minimal. 0:14:44.585 --> 0:14:46.585 You can, Yes, of course she can wear flats. 0:14:46.265 --> 0:14:50.265 Of course, my archers. Thank you. Now, as we said, 0:14:50.265 --> 0:14:52.505 going to a lot of events is expensive, what about 0:14:52.505 --> 0:14:56.625 renting outfits that took off a lot what maybe five 0:14:56.705 --> 0:14:59.785 years ago? Do you still think that's a viable option. Absolutely. 0:14:59.825 --> 0:15:03.305 I mean I've got two daughters that routinely do it. 0:15:03.305 --> 0:15:07.505 It's so sensible because they are going to so many events. 0:15:08.025 --> 0:15:11.065 And yes, I think it's great. Should have been around. Yeah, 0:15:11.225 --> 0:15:14.145 when I was in the market for it. In fact, 0:15:14.225 --> 0:15:16.065 I would do it. Actually I would do it now. 0:15:16.065 --> 0:15:16.905 I think it's genius. 0:15:16.905 --> 0:15:18.785 But back when we worked in magazines together and had 0:15:18.785 --> 0:15:21.705 maybe five events a week, that would have been helpful and. 0:15:21.945 --> 0:15:25.265 It's actually sustainable, and there's thousands of reasons that it's 0:15:25.305 --> 0:15:26.265 economically good. 0:15:26.345 --> 0:15:27.105 It's good for the. 0:15:27.145 --> 0:15:29.745 Environment, it's great, and it's also a great way to 0:15:29.785 --> 0:15:33.025 try styles that you maybe wouldn't wear and particularly not purchase. 0:15:33.065 --> 0:15:35.705 If it's that statement dress that's like, wow, she wore 0:15:35.745 --> 0:15:36.665 that to that event. 0:15:36.945 --> 0:15:38.905 Totally, you won and done totally. 0:15:39.025 --> 0:15:43.825 Okay, let's stock accessories bags. Can you take your normal handbag? 0:15:44.345 --> 0:15:48.985 No? Not if it's as jumbo as mine. No. Okay. 0:15:49.425 --> 0:15:52.825 So let's say you want to have a kind of 0:15:52.905 --> 0:15:55.825 go to special bag that you wear to things, but 0:15:55.865 --> 0:15:57.945 you still need it to be versatile. Some people needed 0:15:57.985 --> 0:16:00.625 to fit their reading glasses. My new iPhone's almost the 0:16:00.625 --> 0:16:03.345 size of a laptop. What's a bag that we can 0:16:03.425 --> 0:16:05.785 kind of go to that will get more mileage in 0:16:05.825 --> 0:16:07.585 our wardrobe, not just to that one event. 0:16:08.065 --> 0:16:10.665 I think a shop a bag. 0:16:10.465 --> 0:16:14.025 That's about twenty centimeters or something like that with a 0:16:14.025 --> 0:16:18.225 detachable strap so that it can be a clutch, or 0:16:18.425 --> 0:16:20.825 it can be used cross body, yes, or it can 0:16:20.865 --> 0:16:21.985 be used over your shoulder. 0:16:22.105 --> 0:16:22.505 That's clever. 0:16:22.705 --> 0:16:26.425 You want to have something that is multipurpose in that way. 0:16:26.545 --> 0:16:29.225 Yeah, I never detach my straps. You are so smart. 0:16:29.585 --> 0:16:31.825 I've got a thousand clutches in my wardrobe just by 0:16:31.945 --> 0:16:32.985 taking the straps off. 0:16:33.545 --> 0:16:35.025 That's right, it's not that I love it. 0:16:36.225 --> 0:16:39.505 Advice or tips just to finish this segment on how 0:16:39.545 --> 0:16:41.785 to help someone feel more comfortable dressing up for an 0:16:41.785 --> 0:16:44.265 event if they're not an event person, because a lot 0:16:44.265 --> 0:16:45.905 of people aren't. You know, a lot of us are 0:16:45.905 --> 0:16:47.785 just living our day to day in our comfies and 0:16:47.825 --> 0:16:50.985 then we get invited to that wedding or that fancy 0:16:51.065 --> 0:16:52.385 Christmas party. 0:16:52.585 --> 0:16:53.505 Where do we start? 0:16:54.185 --> 0:16:57.345 Everybody, first of all, is scared about walking into a room. 0:16:57.705 --> 0:17:01.385 Every single person, even the most confident, best dressed person 0:17:01.465 --> 0:17:03.065 you know, has that fear. 0:17:03.185 --> 0:17:05.865 It's totally natural, so know that first. 0:17:06.385 --> 0:17:08.585 But the thing that is going to make you have 0:17:08.665 --> 0:17:10.945 the best time and look the best and feel the 0:17:10.985 --> 0:17:15.145 best is knowing what suits your body. There's some fabulous 0:17:15.145 --> 0:17:17.945 outfit out there to suit every single one of. 0:17:17.825 --> 0:17:21.225 Our fabulous different body shapes. But we're not all the same. 0:17:21.585 --> 0:17:24.545 We're not cookie cutters, and you have to spend the time. 0:17:24.745 --> 0:17:27.425 Yeah you actually, I think department stores are fantastic for that. 0:17:27.505 --> 0:17:29.145 Go in, try lots of different things. 0:17:29.145 --> 0:17:31.665 One you can try on twenty brands in Munchain exactly. 0:17:31.745 --> 0:17:34.625 Don't leave it to the last minute. If you're learning, 0:17:34.825 --> 0:17:38.705 start with neutrals. I think, like, start with black and 0:17:39.145 --> 0:17:40.505 work up your confidence from there. 0:17:40.585 --> 0:17:40.785 Yeah. 0:17:40.825 --> 0:17:42.425 I think that's a great tip. Also, if you are 0:17:42.465 --> 0:17:44.185 going to go in store and try stuff on, which 0:17:44.305 --> 0:17:46.145 I will, you know, maybe you've done a bit of 0:17:46.145 --> 0:17:48.505 a gradual tan, or have some masca on, or have 0:17:48.585 --> 0:17:51.705 my hair just semi decent, because I feel a bit 0:17:51.785 --> 0:17:54.865 better trying stuff on if I don't look at what 0:17:54.945 --> 0:17:56.825 I look like most days, which is just running after 0:17:56.865 --> 0:17:59.625 a toddler with a dirty bum. So I think that 0:17:59.665 --> 0:18:00.865 little tip is just you know. 0:18:00.985 --> 0:18:02.945 That's a really good tip. Yeah, I think I think 0:18:02.945 --> 0:18:03.825 that's a really good tip. 0:18:03.865 --> 0:18:06.305 And also if you need to have a strapless bra 0:18:06.465 --> 0:18:09.505 with you or even shapewear, take. 0:18:09.385 --> 0:18:11.505 It, yes, And if you've got the shoes already, take 0:18:11.505 --> 0:18:12.505 them with you totally. 0:18:12.625 --> 0:18:15.425 Yeah, so you can get the whole vibe. Get the vibe. 0:18:15.465 --> 0:18:15.985 I love it. 0:18:16.505 --> 0:18:19.145 And as we know, podcast is not a visual medium, 0:18:19.185 --> 0:18:21.865 and so if you want more, I have put together 0:18:22.025 --> 0:18:25.385 the nine best slip dresses that will take you literally anywhere. 0:18:25.465 --> 0:18:28.505