WEBVTT - Pete Murray // On slower starts, self doubt and sliding doors moments 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.760 People do things for money most of the time. That's 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:03.680 the thing that's I think that's a big mistake. They 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:05.760 make decisions based on money and how they can get 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:08.400 more money, and they'll work the whole life to get 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.760 more money and then don't really get to use it 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:12.559 that much. When that promise gods to go and play 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:14.480 handball with all them and their mates right through to 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:16.400 when the bell started and they go, you know, so 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.720 by the time I don't have to race off to work. 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:20.720 That's what I was chasing and that's what I wanted, 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:22.680 so my success I achieved it. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:26.640 Welcome to the Sees the YA Podcast. Busy and happy 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.720 are not the same thing. We too rarely question what 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.519 makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.800 rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.600 one way. So this is a platform to hear and 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.120 explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.960 the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:49.640 will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.000 Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.400 fu entrepreneur whos wapped the suits and heels to co 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.800 found matcha Maiden and Matcham Milk bark cz The Ya 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.560 is a series of comfort on finding a life you 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.560 love and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:11.240 along the way. Lovely Neighborhood. This week, we have a 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.640 voice in your ears that needs no introduction. His music 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.160 has been a formative part of so many of our lives, 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.920 and I'm pinching myself to have him here for you today. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.840 I'm talking, of course, about multi platinum selling singer and 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.880 songwriter Pete Murray. My husband Nick doesn't fangirl many people, 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.959 if anybody, but as an OG follower who had Pete's 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.720 very first original independent EP, the only person more excited 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.040 about this interview than I was was Nick. I pretty 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:38.480 much had to lock him out of the room, and 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:43.360 that never happens. Pete's incredible career, selling over one point 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.920 two million albums, releasing three ARIA chart topping albums, and 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:53.440 having seventeen ARIA nominations is no secret, but perhaps even 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.600 more so than any guest we've had on before, it's 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.040 what came before that that's so powerful in reminding us 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.840 all that not only nothing happen overnight, some magic strikes 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.040 later in life. Than you'd expect. While twenty one years 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.080 old isn't old by any normal standards, I would never 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.200 have guessed that this was the first time Pete ever 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.320 picked up a guitar, let alone started writing music after 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.200 his earlier years, showing every indication of a career in sport. 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:25.080 I loved learning about Pete's younger years, all the stuff 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.639 that you don't hear about as much as his musical career, 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.760 his process for writing songs, how he defines success. He's 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.920 fascinating combination of self doubt and self belief, which I 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.320 think a lot of us can identify with, and everything 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.400 in between. With fresh new music and a new tour 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.919 about to kick off, we had plenty to talk about 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:47.560 and I hope you all enjoy. Pete Murray, Welcome to CZZA. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:49.800 Yeah, and nice to be here, Nice to chat. 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.760 Oh my gosh. I mean, your voice is not new 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:54.600 to anybody, but it's new to me. For it to 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.600 be in real time. This is such a great privilege 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.480 to be sitting down with you, so I'm so grateful 0:02:58.520 --> 0:02:59.040 for your time. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:00.760 Yeah, talk to you as well. 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.080 And as I mentioned, my husband, people listening will know 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.120 he doesn't fan girl many people, but He was one 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.120 of the very, very og followers of yours back in 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.320 I think, as you mentioned, the first independent ep D day, 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.160 and you've been a formative part of so many of 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.840 our lives. So yeah, it's just amazing to be sitting 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:21.640 down with you. But one thing I heard you on 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.040 the project the other day, and one of the things 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:25.480 on this show that I love to talk about is 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.280 the fact that now we all know the whole nation 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.920 and people all around the world know Pete Murray, multi 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.480 platinum selling artist, one point two million albums, sold three 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.360 ARIA chart topping albums. I think you've had seventeen ARIA nominations. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.080 It would be easy to assume you were born with 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.040 a guitar in your hand. You always knew what you 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:44.920 wanted to do. But it blew me away that you 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:46.480 didn't start until your twenties. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.800 Yeah, I was twenty one or twenty two, I think 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.320 when I first picked up a guitar. I had there 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.280 was a friend. Did I say it on the project? 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.120 I can't remember what we spoke about on the project 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.760 the other night, but yeah, the story goes I was 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.800 living with a made of mine. He was studying teaching 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.600 and I was doing natural medicine, and he just came 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.400 into a room one day was really excited, like, I'm 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:09.880 going to go get a guitarist and I've always wanted 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.080 to do it, so I'm going to go and do it. 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.080 And I thought to himself, far, that sounds really cool. 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.360 I've never thought about doing that because my whole background 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.119 was kind of sport. I loved being involved in sport, 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.920 and you know, even doing the studies was heading down 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:25.000 that path of still staying involved with sport. But when 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.960 you mentioned that, I was like, Okay, that sounds really cool. 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.479 Maybe I'll go get a guitar. Listen too. So we 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.560 were like, yeah, let's go and do it. And it 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.760 turns out that I did it and he didn't, so 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.800 which was it was the reason that I started, you know, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.520 And sadly, a couple of years later he passed away. 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.680 It was only thirty two at that stage. I was 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.320 twenty two, so we were really good mates for a 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.880 couple of years there and then he passed away. But 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.720 I can't you know, I really believe in fate and 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.800 I believe I was meant to meet him, and he 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.800 was the guy that sort of got me on this 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.640 journey and I named my first son after him, Charlie 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:57.000 as well. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.960 So well, I'm a big believer in fate as well, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:01.640 and the fact that even if you start off on 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.960 a path that maybe isn't the one for you, it's 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.000 really hard when you're in that moment to believe that 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:07.839 it will all work out. And I think that's why 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:09.960 I love going back to the very beginning of people's journey. 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:13.000 So you mentioned that like you had a whole life 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.320 plan for yourself before you even knew music, that you 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.800 even had talent, let alone the talent that you ended 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.760 up having. And I love to go through the very 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.080 early bits to remind people how many years you didn't 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.839 know that was going to happen before. So, like, let's 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:31.680 go back all the way to Chinchilla, Humble Chinchilla, the birthplace, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:35.040 moving to Brisy. Like you said, I was reading your 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:37.440 school years and none of it was music. It was 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.880 all sport. You played club rugby like you were going 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.720 to do sports medicine. You had this whole other pathway 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.480 And it just is so fascinating to me that you 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.560 don't have to wake up when you're five and know 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:51.200 what you're going to do. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.600 Oh, No, life changes you know, and that's the thing 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.480 that I guess I tell my kids and a lot 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.919 of other people too, like, you know, you don't have 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.880 to do the same job or you know, your whole life. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.279 That's the beauty of life. You change, I think from 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.680 twenty to thirty it's such a big change from who 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.520 you start at twenty a week who end up, you know, 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.040 as at thirty and every decade you seem to kind 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.680 of change a little bit. But early life was just yeah, 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:23.239 I was brought up swimming in athletics. Athletics is probably 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.800 my real big passion when I was younger than I 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.800 played started playing a bit of football later, but as 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.440 I left school, I really sort of still followed athletics 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.440 for a while. I had goals of running the come 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.200 off Games or Olympics, and I kind of got to 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.240 the age where I was twenty one, I think, and 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.800 I was at that point of like, you know, either 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.000 I keep doing athletics, but it was a really hard slog. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.760 There's no money unless you want to go on my Olympics, 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.920 and I was running eight hundreds was kind of my race, 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.400 and you know, I just there was a lot of 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.080 work involved in that, and I thought I don't really 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:00.640 have the passion for it any more. So I went 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:04.719 back and played rugby for a bit and loved playing footy. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.920 That was that was great. It's more social. You can 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:08.840 have a beer afterwards and you can have some fun. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.440 So that was kind of my life, a sport, you know, 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.960 and music just happened to be fall into my lap. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.760 And you know, even when I had had three lessons, 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.160 I didn't learn much from those lessons because I knew 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.240 nothing about it. But I borrowed the guy's book back then, 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.720 because there's no internet, I borrowed the guy's book, the 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.080 teacher's book, and I learned taught myself how to play, 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.200 and then traveled overseas and met buskers and learned more. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.160 I told I came back home, I was really enjoying 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.320 playing music and just playing covers on the guitar. Really 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.000 And before I came home, I was living in a 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.960 two better inflat in London with nineteen other Aussies. What 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.240 that's what we kind of did when you're backpacking. No 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:48.800 one had any money, so we were just were sleeping 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:53.680 on floors and chairs and mattresses, and it was myself 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:58.160 and Angus McDonald from sneaky sound system where were mates 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:01.480 and bed by mates from you know, rugby days and 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.400 thanks is always always done music for you know, his 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:09.280 whole life and learning how to play and write his 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:10.920 own stuff, and I just kind of started late. So 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.400 we would have this one night where he was playing 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.840 one of his original songs and I'd play a cover 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.320 and you played original play cover, and one of the 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:18.960 girls that was living there with the said, well, plays 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.640 one of your songs. I was like, I don't write songs, 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.080 and she said why not, and I said, I don't know, 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.160 I just don't and she said, well you should. That 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.280 was the first time where okay, well maybe I will. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.440 So that's really the first time I started to think, 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.400 well maybe I should. So I tried to do that then, 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.800 and that's when I came back home became a little 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.199 bit more passionate about it. But I was still just 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:39.960 doing the covers thing for a while. So you know, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.800 that's just faked how things kind of happened, and you 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.120 know you got to, I guess, listen to the signals 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:46.760 and where you should be going. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.319 Totally. I'm a big believer in like the sliding doors 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.200 moment and how you can't necessarily bring them on. You 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.160 don't know when you're going to meet that person or 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:56.800 when that opportunity is going to come up, but you 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.160 just have to be ready for the fact that when 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.280 it does, you don't let it pass you by because 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.080 you didn't have to listen to any of that advice 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.400 or explore that new interest in you. And I think 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.440 the really big thing that happens to a lot of 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.240 people is they think it's too late. That's kind of 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.319 the ongoing narrative. It's too late. I didn't start on time. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:14.839 I'm not going to be able to catch up. 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:17.600 I don't think age should get in the way of anyone, 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.400 you know, I mean physically, Yeah, there's some things you 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.920 can't do physically, but you know, there's a lot of 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.199 things you can achieve. Doesn't matter how old you are. 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:26.719 You can really just set your mind. If that's what 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.680 we want to do, we go, because you're going to 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.360 get one life. Well we might get multiplized, you know. 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:33.920 I'm still you know, who knows. 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.439 The jury is still out on that one. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.400 There's probably another chance you might come back, but not 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.400 as us, you know, So this is a life as 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.040 we are now, and you've got to make the most 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.080 of that and make sure that that you're doing what 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:46.880 you want to do and not and you're not unhappy. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.679 And I think that's even more why this show is 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.000 called Sees the AA and not Seize the Day, is 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.520 that there's so much of just trying to seize opportunities 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.960 without even knowing if you care about them or if 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.240 they if you enjoy them at all. And I love 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.839 that you, Yeah, you stumbled upon this new passion and 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.160 then able to turn it into something amazing. And a 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.719 lot of people wouldn't learn a new instrument kind of 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.080 in their twenties, let alone then learn to write music, 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.960 which is an entirely different thing, and then turn it 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:17.280 into a career is like a whole new a new level. 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.640 Falling on from what you're saying there, you know, trying 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.120 to learn an instrument and play and write songs, that's 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:23.600 one thing. But then I was getting to the age 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.920 where I was I was thirty and I was recording 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:31.040 my first independent album. Like that's pretty old, you know, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.320 when you're in the music industry and you're doing your 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.719 first independ album. And I remember that was a lot 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.800 of pressure on myself to go, what am I doing? 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.280 And like this is I should be going back and 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.320 finishing my studies and getting a real job. But I 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.240 thought I've always been a big liver in doing what 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.520 makes you happy and what you wanted to really, not 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.320 sort of going and doing something that you know you 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.040 don't want to be doing. And for me, even the 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.599 natural medicine would have been great, but it would have 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.680 been a lot of time probably in a room working 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.560 on people's injuries and things like that. So I just 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.040 didn't want to be doing that. I wanted to find 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.200 a job that would take me around the world and 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.400 give me different experiences, and that's what I was looking for. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.400 So it was a lifestyle choice. 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.120 Yes, Oh my gosh. See I love this because I 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.040 think we do spend, particularly in our early years, time 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.319 making decisions not based on the lifestyle it involves. It's 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.240 just the title you mentioned, like what you should do 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.800 what society thinks that you should do. Obviously, if you 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.600 show prowess in Australia in sport, it's sort of like, well, 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.400 of course you do that. Why would you go into 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.480 the arts, which is it's so hard to make it, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.680 you know, the odds are so small and it's really 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.439 hard to listen to your inner voice that's telling you, actually, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.120 I think I could do something with this. But one 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:41.280 of the things we talk about a lot on the 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:45.480 show is the concept of like self doubt and imposter syndrome, 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.280 even if you're not a late comer, so to speak, 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.800 in your industry. And I've heard you say that even 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:56.720 though FeelA has become an album that is not only 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:02.400 like a multi million copy selling album but formative for 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.360 it's ironic that you talked about your twenties and thirties. 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:05.959 I think it's been formative for so many of our 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:10.480 twenties to thirties. It's that you didn't re listen to 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.840 it for eight years because you didn't think it was good. Like, 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:15.679 how's that for imposter syndrome? 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.480 Yeah, And that's something that can happen when you're very 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:24.080 close to your own music, because you're too busy pulling 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.640 it apart and going what I don't like about it 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.000 rather than going what do I like about it? And 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.000 I think it was a very difficult time because I 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.199 just couldn't listen to it. I didn't think it was 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:35.440 going to work. I thought it was going to fail, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.559 and I thought, oh, this is I've bomb my chance 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:38.959 of trying to do this, you know, and I was 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.560 very I was shocked when things started to work and 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:47.360 I couldn't hear the beauty of that album until eight 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.600 years later, and I got a text from Darren Middleton 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:51.840 from Powderfinger, going, mate, just listen to feel like, what 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.000 a great album. And I'm thinking, is it you know, Like, 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.719 so I'm sitting here, going, I'm confinding myself it must be. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.880 It must be someth good about this because people love it, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.560 you know, and it's just it's been around the world 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:05.880 and it's done its thing. I've just got to listen 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:07.800 to this and let it play from start to finish 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.520 and don't stop it, because I'd always stop it and go, 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.200 I don't stop working. I don't like it, and I'd 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:17.200 get frustrated. And so I sat there and I put 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.240 it on and was like, I don't turn it off, 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.480 headphones on. I listened to it start to finish, and 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.959 I was so surprised. I went, Wow, that's actually a 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:26.760 really good album. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.080 It took you like a decade. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.320 Yeah, almost a decade to do that, And you know, 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.600 I felt sorry for Paul mccursher, who produced it, because 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.120 I think I just struggled with it, you know, and 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:42.520 I just struggled, probably even praising him for what he did, 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.640 you know, but he really did a great job on 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:49.000 keeping that album how it was, and keeping that from 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.720 start to finish how it should have felt, and getting 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.200 that feeling in it. And I talked to him about 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.760 that to go, look, man, I'm sorry, but I couldn't 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.000 hear it. It's great, and then he did a really 0:13:59.000 --> 0:13:59.679 good job on that. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.920 It's one of the very few albums that you can 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.280 actually play from start to finish and there's no lull, 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.840 there's no sort of banger at the start, banger at 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:10.559 the end, and then this random babble in the middle 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.800 where you're kind of skipping through them. It's just brilliant. 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.600 I've just I'm an independent artist now and I've just 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:20.320 recorded my second independent album because my first in an 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.240 album is The Game back in two thousand and one. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.520 So with the new album, the people that have heard 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.240 that are really excited. It feels it sort of feels 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.440 like feeler from starting to finish. It's so solid with 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.840 the songs, good songs. I feel really happy with it. 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.800 So I'm really interested to see what people think of 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.720 it when it comes out and everyone's saying the same thing. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.960 It's from start to finish, there's just great song up, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.880 the great song. It's really solid. So hopefully you will 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.800 be saying the same thing about that one when you 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:47.160 hear it. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.600 Oh, I can't wait to hear it, and that Actually, 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.760 it's really interesting to me that you're the way you 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.640 even word that, saying I hope that when it comes 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.560 out people enjoy it. It's interesting that, as with FeelA, 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.520 you didn't know before it came out that it was 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.480 going to go well, Like it's so fascinating that you're 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.040 not sure, like it's come out of your brain and 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.080 you're not sure how good it's going to go. So 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.240 I'd love to go back before we get into the 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.120 new album and the tour, just sort of at the 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.960 very beginning. Obviously, when you did start writing songs, you 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.560 knew there was enough talent there to keep going. Whether 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.160 or not you knew you could do it full time, 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.400 something must have come out of your head and you 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.320 were like, oh, I can actually write a song, like 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.400 do you hear the lyrics first? Do you hear the 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.280 tune first? And then how do you know you're onto one? 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.560 Yeah? I think a lot of times it's music and 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.440 melody first and then you put the lyrics to it 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.320 after that. But I just remember thinking, you know, getting 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.960 a few close friends' opinions when I started to write 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.800 some songs and they started to read the lyrics and 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.400 a few things. I remember, you know, So Beautiful was 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.520 one of the songs i'd just written, and a friend 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.800 of an at the time came over and the lyrics 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.240 were just there, you know, and they read it and 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.640 went who wrote this? And I was like almost embarrassed 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.120 to go, oh, this is it a positive thing or negative? 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.240 I was like I did, and they're like, wow, that's 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.240 really good, and I'm like, okay, so I think it's 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.560 your conference bills when you get a bit of confirmation 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.000 on some other people saying yeah, look this is good, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.120 you know, and it starts to build yeah, oh my gosh. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.480 And so, for example, so Beautiful it's a song that 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.600 like everyone's heard it. How long does it take to 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.960 form in your brain? Like do you get like a 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.280 little earwig and then you sort of pick at it 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:34.840 and then it takes like does it take you months? 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.400 Is it weeks? 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.720 Is it a day that was reasonably fast? I had 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:44.040 the music parts kind of down for that for the verse, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.520 I think, and then I and a bit of the chorus, 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.960 so kind of the music there. And then I remember 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.240 I did a gig in the valley in Brisbane and 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.440 I was meeting some friends at just a hotel down 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.480 the road and a group of really arrogant, pretentious people 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.720 came in and I just don't have any time for that, 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.840 and it was like I was so annoyed us waiting 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.160 for a friend. I just couldn't even wait for the friend. 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.159 I had to leave because it just annoyed me. And 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:14.600 I basically got home and just started writing these feelings 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.000 that I had, you know that from meeting those people. 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.840 And the first and second verse came out that night, 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.800 and then the chorus I think pretty much was half done. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.680 I finished about three am and then went to bed. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.199 And then the next day it was the friend came 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.400 around and went, you know, the pad was still open. 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.920 I was writing the lyrics and I was like, who 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.120 did this? That was that? And then so I might 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:38.800 have taken another couple of weeks to sort of put 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.879 the rest together, just to all final touches, but it 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.159 came relatively quickly and some of the good songs come 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.320 relatively quickly. They just seemed to work that way. It's 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.040 when you're struggling with this song, then it's not me 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.159 probably not good enough. It takes a long time to 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:52.840 get that together. 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.560 Yeah, that's so fascinating, I mean so interesting to hear 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:00.000 the process and then once you did sort of start obviously, 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.800 I think now it looks like becomes so easily to you. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.719 It's so easy to assume everyone's an overnight success. I mean, 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.840 obviously it took you eight years to even realize that 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.560 the incredible, incredible album that everyone else had already caught 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:16.600 on too, that you still weren't on board with it, 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.960 with it being as good as it was. What helps you, 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:21.840 like in those early days when you were just like, 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:23.920 am I going to make it? I'm sure? Like it's 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.480