1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 1: People do things for money most of the time. That's 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: the thing that's I think that's a big mistake. They 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: make decisions based on money and how they can get 4 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: more money, and they'll work the whole life to get 5 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: more money and then don't really get to use it 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: that much. When that promise gods to go and play 7 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: handball with all them and their mates right through to 8 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: when the bell started and they go, you know, so 9 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: by the time I don't have to race off to work. 10 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: That's what I was chasing and that's what I wanted, 11 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: so my success I achieved it. 12 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the YA Podcast. Busy and happy 13 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what 14 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but 15 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than 16 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: one way. So this is a platform to hear and 17 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore 18 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day 19 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm 20 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned 21 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: fu entrepreneur whos wapped the suits and heels to co 22 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: found matcha Maiden and Matcham Milk bark cz The Ya 23 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: is a series of comfort on finding a life you 24 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: love and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment 25 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: along the way. Lovely Neighborhood. This week, we have a 26 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: voice in your ears that needs no introduction. His music 27 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: has been a formative part of so many of our lives, 28 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: and I'm pinching myself to have him here for you today. 29 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: I'm talking, of course, about multi platinum selling singer and 30 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: songwriter Pete Murray. My husband Nick doesn't fangirl many people, 31 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 2: if anybody, but as an OG follower who had Pete's 32 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: very first original independent EP, the only person more excited 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: about this interview than I was was Nick. I pretty 34 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: much had to lock him out of the room, and 35 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: that never happens. Pete's incredible career, selling over one point 36 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: two million albums, releasing three ARIA chart topping albums, and 37 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: having seventeen ARIA nominations is no secret, but perhaps even 38 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: more so than any guest we've had on before, it's 39 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: what came before that that's so powerful in reminding us 40 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: all that not only nothing happen overnight, some magic strikes 41 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: later in life. Than you'd expect. While twenty one years 42 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: old isn't old by any normal standards, I would never 43 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: have guessed that this was the first time Pete ever 44 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: picked up a guitar, let alone started writing music after 45 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: his earlier years, showing every indication of a career in sport. 46 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: I loved learning about Pete's younger years, all the stuff 47 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: that you don't hear about as much as his musical career, 48 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: his process for writing songs, how he defines success. He's 49 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: fascinating combination of self doubt and self belief, which I 50 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: think a lot of us can identify with, and everything 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: in between. With fresh new music and a new tour 52 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: about to kick off, we had plenty to talk about 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: and I hope you all enjoy. Pete Murray, Welcome to CZZA. 54 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and nice to be here, Nice to chat. 55 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I mean, your voice is not new 56 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: to anybody, but it's new to me. For it to 57 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: be in real time. This is such a great privilege 58 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: to be sitting down with you, so I'm so grateful 59 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: for your time. 60 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to you as well. 61 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: And as I mentioned, my husband, people listening will know 62 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: he doesn't fan girl many people, but He was one 63 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: of the very, very og followers of yours back in 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: I think, as you mentioned, the first independent ep D day, 65 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: and you've been a formative part of so many of 66 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: our lives. So yeah, it's just amazing to be sitting 67 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: down with you. But one thing I heard you on 68 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: the project the other day, and one of the things 69 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: on this show that I love to talk about is 70 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: the fact that now we all know the whole nation 71 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: and people all around the world know Pete Murray, multi 72 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: platinum selling artist, one point two million albums, sold three 73 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: ARIA chart topping albums. I think you've had seventeen ARIA nominations. 74 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: It would be easy to assume you were born with 75 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: a guitar in your hand. You always knew what you 76 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: wanted to do. But it blew me away that you 77 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: didn't start until your twenties. 78 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was twenty one or twenty two, I think 79 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: when I first picked up a guitar. I had there 80 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: was a friend. Did I say it on the project? 81 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: I can't remember what we spoke about on the project 82 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: the other night, but yeah, the story goes I was 83 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: living with a made of mine. He was studying teaching 84 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: and I was doing natural medicine, and he just came 85 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: into a room one day was really excited, like, I'm 86 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: going to go get a guitarist and I've always wanted 87 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: to do it, so I'm going to go and do it. 88 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: And I thought to himself, far, that sounds really cool. 89 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: I've never thought about doing that because my whole background 90 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,119 Speaker 1: was kind of sport. I loved being involved in sport, 91 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: and you know, even doing the studies was heading down 92 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: that path of still staying involved with sport. But when 93 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned that, I was like, Okay, that sounds really cool. 94 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll go get a guitar. Listen too. So we 95 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, let's go and do it. And it 96 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: turns out that I did it and he didn't, so 97 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: which was it was the reason that I started, you know, 98 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: And sadly, a couple of years later he passed away. 99 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: It was only thirty two at that stage. I was 100 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: twenty two, so we were really good mates for a 101 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: couple of years there and then he passed away. But 102 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: I can't you know, I really believe in fate and 103 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: I believe I was meant to meet him, and he 104 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: was the guy that sort of got me on this 105 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: journey and I named my first son after him, Charlie 106 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: as well. 107 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: So well, I'm a big believer in fate as well, 108 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: and the fact that even if you start off on 109 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: a path that maybe isn't the one for you, it's 110 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: really hard when you're in that moment to believe that 111 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: it will all work out. And I think that's why 112 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: I love going back to the very beginning of people's journey. 113 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: So you mentioned that like you had a whole life 114 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: plan for yourself before you even knew music, that you 115 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: even had talent, let alone the talent that you ended 116 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: up having. And I love to go through the very 117 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: early bits to remind people how many years you didn't 118 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: know that was going to happen before. So, like, let's 119 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: go back all the way to Chinchilla, Humble Chinchilla, the birthplace, 120 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: moving to Brisy. Like you said, I was reading your 121 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: school years and none of it was music. It was 122 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: all sport. You played club rugby like you were going 123 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: to do sports medicine. You had this whole other pathway 124 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: And it just is so fascinating to me that you 125 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: don't have to wake up when you're five and know 126 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: what you're going to do. 127 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: Oh, No, life changes you know, and that's the thing 128 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: that I guess I tell my kids and a lot 129 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: of other people too, like, you know, you don't have 130 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: to do the same job or you know, your whole life. 131 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: That's the beauty of life. You change, I think from 132 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: twenty to thirty it's such a big change from who 133 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: you start at twenty a week who end up, you know, 134 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: as at thirty and every decade you seem to kind 135 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: of change a little bit. But early life was just yeah, 136 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 1: I was brought up swimming in athletics. Athletics is probably 137 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: my real big passion when I was younger than I 138 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: played started playing a bit of football later, but as 139 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: I left school, I really sort of still followed athletics 140 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: for a while. I had goals of running the come 141 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: off Games or Olympics, and I kind of got to 142 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: the age where I was twenty one, I think, and 143 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: I was at that point of like, you know, either 144 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: I keep doing athletics, but it was a really hard slog. 145 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: There's no money unless you want to go on my Olympics, 146 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: and I was running eight hundreds was kind of my race, 147 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: and you know, I just there was a lot of 148 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: work involved in that, and I thought I don't really 149 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: have the passion for it any more. So I went 150 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: back and played rugby for a bit and loved playing footy. 151 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: That was that was great. It's more social. You can 152 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: have a beer afterwards and you can have some fun. 153 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: So that was kind of my life, a sport, you know, 154 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: and music just happened to be fall into my lap. 155 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: And you know, even when I had had three lessons, 156 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: I didn't learn much from those lessons because I knew 157 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: nothing about it. But I borrowed the guy's book back then, 158 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: because there's no internet, I borrowed the guy's book, the 159 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: teacher's book, and I learned taught myself how to play, 160 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: and then traveled overseas and met buskers and learned more. 161 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: I told I came back home, I was really enjoying 162 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: playing music and just playing covers on the guitar. Really 163 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: And before I came home, I was living in a 164 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: two better inflat in London with nineteen other Aussies. What 165 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: that's what we kind of did when you're backpacking. No 166 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: one had any money, so we were just were sleeping 167 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: on floors and chairs and mattresses, and it was myself 168 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: and Angus McDonald from sneaky sound system where were mates 169 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: and bed by mates from you know, rugby days and 170 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: thanks is always always done music for you know, his 171 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: whole life and learning how to play and write his 172 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: own stuff, and I just kind of started late. So 173 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: we would have this one night where he was playing 174 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: one of his original songs and I'd play a cover 175 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: and you played original play cover, and one of the 176 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: girls that was living there with the said, well, plays 177 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: one of your songs. I was like, I don't write songs, 178 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: and she said why not, and I said, I don't know, 179 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: I just don't and she said, well you should. That 180 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: was the first time where okay, well maybe I will. 181 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: So that's really the first time I started to think, 182 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: well maybe I should. So I tried to do that then, 183 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: and that's when I came back home became a little 184 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: bit more passionate about it. But I was still just 185 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: doing the covers thing for a while. So you know, 186 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: that's just faked how things kind of happened, and you 187 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: know you got to, I guess, listen to the signals 188 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: and where you should be going. 189 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 2: Totally. I'm a big believer in like the sliding doors 190 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: moment and how you can't necessarily bring them on. You 191 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: don't know when you're going to meet that person or 192 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: when that opportunity is going to come up, but you 193 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: just have to be ready for the fact that when 194 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: it does, you don't let it pass you by because 195 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: you didn't have to listen to any of that advice 196 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: or explore that new interest in you. And I think 197 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: the really big thing that happens to a lot of 198 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: people is they think it's too late. That's kind of 199 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 2: the ongoing narrative. It's too late. I didn't start on time. 200 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to catch up. 201 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't think age should get in the way of anyone, 202 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, I mean physically, Yeah, there's some things you 203 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: can't do physically, but you know, there's a lot of 204 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: things you can achieve. Doesn't matter how old you are. 205 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: You can really just set your mind. If that's what 206 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: we want to do, we go, because you're going to 207 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: get one life. Well we might get multiplized, you know. 208 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm still you know, who knows. 209 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 2: The jury is still out on that one. 210 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: There's probably another chance you might come back, but not 211 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: as us, you know, So this is a life as 212 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: we are now, and you've got to make the most 213 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: of that and make sure that that you're doing what 214 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: you want to do and not and you're not unhappy. 215 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 2: And I think that's even more why this show is 216 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: called Sees the AA and not Seize the Day, is 217 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: that there's so much of just trying to seize opportunities 218 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: without even knowing if you care about them or if 219 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: they if you enjoy them at all. And I love 220 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 2: that you, Yeah, you stumbled upon this new passion and 221 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: then able to turn it into something amazing. And a 222 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 2: lot of people wouldn't learn a new instrument kind of 223 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: in their twenties, let alone then learn to write music, 224 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: which is an entirely different thing, and then turn it 225 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: into a career is like a whole new a new level. 226 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: Falling on from what you're saying there, you know, trying 227 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: to learn an instrument and play and write songs, that's 228 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: one thing. But then I was getting to the age 229 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: where I was I was thirty and I was recording 230 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: my first independent album. Like that's pretty old, you know, 231 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: when you're in the music industry and you're doing your 232 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: first independ album. And I remember that was a lot 233 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: of pressure on myself to go, what am I doing? 234 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: And like this is I should be going back and 235 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: finishing my studies and getting a real job. But I 236 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: thought I've always been a big liver in doing what 237 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: makes you happy and what you wanted to really, not 238 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: sort of going and doing something that you know you 239 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: don't want to be doing. And for me, even the 240 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 1: natural medicine would have been great, but it would have 241 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: been a lot of time probably in a room working 242 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: on people's injuries and things like that. So I just 243 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: didn't want to be doing that. I wanted to find 244 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: a job that would take me around the world and 245 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: give me different experiences, and that's what I was looking for. 246 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: So it was a lifestyle choice. 247 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my gosh. See I love this because I 248 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: think we do spend, particularly in our early years, time 249 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 2: making decisions not based on the lifestyle it involves. It's 250 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: just the title you mentioned, like what you should do 251 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: what society thinks that you should do. Obviously, if you 252 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: show prowess in Australia in sport, it's sort of like, well, 253 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: of course you do that. Why would you go into 254 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: the arts, which is it's so hard to make it, 255 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 2: you know, the odds are so small and it's really 256 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: hard to listen to your inner voice that's telling you, actually, 257 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: I think I could do something with this. But one 258 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: of the things we talk about a lot on the 259 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: show is the concept of like self doubt and imposter syndrome, 260 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: even if you're not a late comer, so to speak, 261 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: in your industry. And I've heard you say that even 262 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: though FeelA has become an album that is not only 263 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: like a multi million copy selling album but formative for 264 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: it's ironic that you talked about your twenties and thirties. 265 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 2: I think it's been formative for so many of our 266 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: twenties to thirties. It's that you didn't re listen to 267 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: it for eight years because you didn't think it was good. Like, 268 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 2: how's that for imposter syndrome? 269 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's something that can happen when you're very 270 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: close to your own music, because you're too busy pulling 271 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: it apart and going what I don't like about it 272 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: rather than going what do I like about it? And 273 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: I think it was a very difficult time because I 274 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: just couldn't listen to it. I didn't think it was 275 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: going to work. I thought it was going to fail, 276 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, this is I've bomb my chance 277 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: of trying to do this, you know, and I was 278 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: very I was shocked when things started to work and 279 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't hear the beauty of that album until eight 280 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: years later, and I got a text from Darren Middleton 281 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: from Powderfinger, going, mate, just listen to feel like, what 282 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: a great album. And I'm thinking, is it you know, Like, 283 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: so I'm sitting here, going, I'm confinding myself it must be. 284 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: It must be someth good about this because people love it, 285 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, and it's just it's been around the world 286 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: and it's done its thing. I've just got to listen 287 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: to this and let it play from start to finish 288 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: and don't stop it, because I'd always stop it and go, 289 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: I don't stop working. I don't like it, and I'd 290 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: get frustrated. And so I sat there and I put 291 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: it on and was like, I don't turn it off, 292 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: headphones on. I listened to it start to finish, and 293 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: I was so surprised. I went, Wow, that's actually a 294 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: really good album. 295 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: It took you like a decade. 296 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, almost a decade to do that, And you know, 297 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: I felt sorry for Paul mccursher, who produced it, because 298 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: I think I just struggled with it, you know, and 299 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: I just struggled, probably even praising him for what he did, 300 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: you know, but he really did a great job on 301 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: keeping that album how it was, and keeping that from 302 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: start to finish how it should have felt, and getting 303 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: that feeling in it. And I talked to him about 304 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: that to go, look, man, I'm sorry, but I couldn't 305 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: hear it. It's great, and then he did a really 306 00:13:59,000 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: good job on that. 307 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: It's one of the very few albums that you can 308 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: actually play from start to finish and there's no lull, 309 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: there's no sort of banger at the start, banger at 310 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 2: the end, and then this random babble in the middle 311 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: where you're kind of skipping through them. It's just brilliant. 312 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: I've just I'm an independent artist now and I've just 313 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: recorded my second independent album because my first in an 314 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: album is The Game back in two thousand and one. 315 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: So with the new album, the people that have heard 316 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: that are really excited. It feels it sort of feels 317 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: like feeler from starting to finish. It's so solid with 318 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: the songs, good songs. I feel really happy with it. 319 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: So I'm really interested to see what people think of 320 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: it when it comes out and everyone's saying the same thing. 321 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: It's from start to finish, there's just great song up, 322 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: the great song. It's really solid. So hopefully you will 323 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: be saying the same thing about that one when you 324 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: hear it. 325 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait to hear it, and that Actually, 326 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: it's really interesting to me that you're the way you 327 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: even word that, saying I hope that when it comes 328 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: out people enjoy it. It's interesting that, as with FeelA, 329 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: you didn't know before it came out that it was 330 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: going to go well, Like it's so fascinating that you're 331 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: not sure, like it's come out of your brain and 332 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: you're not sure how good it's going to go. So 333 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: I'd love to go back before we get into the 334 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: new album and the tour, just sort of at the 335 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: very beginning. Obviously, when you did start writing songs, you 336 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: knew there was enough talent there to keep going. Whether 337 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: or not you knew you could do it full time, 338 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: something must have come out of your head and you 339 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 2: were like, oh, I can actually write a song, like 340 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: do you hear the lyrics first? Do you hear the 341 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: tune first? And then how do you know you're onto one? 342 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think a lot of times it's music and 343 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: melody first and then you put the lyrics to it 344 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: after that. But I just remember thinking, you know, getting 345 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: a few close friends' opinions when I started to write 346 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: some songs and they started to read the lyrics and 347 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: a few things. I remember, you know, So Beautiful was 348 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: one of the songs i'd just written, and a friend 349 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: of an at the time came over and the lyrics 350 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: were just there, you know, and they read it and 351 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: went who wrote this? And I was like almost embarrassed 352 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: to go, oh, this is it a positive thing or negative? 353 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: I was like I did, and they're like, wow, that's 354 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: really good, and I'm like, okay, so I think it's 355 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: your conference bills when you get a bit of confirmation 356 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: on some other people saying yeah, look this is good, 357 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, and it starts to build yeah, oh my gosh. 358 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: And so, for example, so Beautiful it's a song that 359 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: like everyone's heard it. How long does it take to 360 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: form in your brain? Like do you get like a 361 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: little earwig and then you sort of pick at it 362 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: and then it takes like does it take you months? 363 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: Is it weeks? 364 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: Is it a day that was reasonably fast? I had 365 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: the music parts kind of down for that for the verse, 366 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: I think, and then I and a bit of the chorus, 367 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: so kind of the music there. And then I remember 368 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: I did a gig in the valley in Brisbane and 369 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: I was meeting some friends at just a hotel down 370 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: the road and a group of really arrogant, pretentious people 371 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: came in and I just don't have any time for that, 372 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: and it was like I was so annoyed us waiting 373 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: for a friend. I just couldn't even wait for the friend. 374 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: I had to leave because it just annoyed me. And 375 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: I basically got home and just started writing these feelings 376 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: that I had, you know that from meeting those people. 377 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: And the first and second verse came out that night, 378 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: and then the chorus I think pretty much was half done. 379 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: I finished about three am and then went to bed. 380 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: And then the next day it was the friend came 381 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: around and went, you know, the pad was still open. 382 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: I was writing the lyrics and I was like, who 383 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: did this? That was that? And then so I might 384 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: have taken another couple of weeks to sort of put 385 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: the rest together, just to all final touches, but it 386 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: came relatively quickly and some of the good songs come 387 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: relatively quickly. They just seemed to work that way. It's 388 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: when you're struggling with this song, then it's not me 389 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: probably not good enough. It takes a long time to 390 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: get that together. 391 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so fascinating, I mean so interesting to hear 392 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: the process and then once you did sort of start obviously, 393 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: I think now it looks like becomes so easily to you. 394 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 2: It's so easy to assume everyone's an overnight success. I mean, 395 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: obviously it took you eight years to even realize that 396 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: the incredible, incredible album that everyone else had already caught 397 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: on too, that you still weren't on board with it, 398 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: with it being as good as it was. What helps you, 399 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: like in those early days when you were just like, 400 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: am I going to make it? I'm sure? Like it's 401 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: not financially rewarding immediately, Like it takes a little while. 402 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: What keeps you going when you're like, I've just got 403 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: to stick at it, it will get bigger because I 404 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: think people give up really early. 405 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: My sporting background and the determination that I had from 406 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: sporting background, I just took that into this and just 407 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: went like, this is something that for me to make 408 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: this work. It's going to have to happen, you know, 409 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: like I've got to just keep working out otherwise it's 410 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: not going to go. And I believe that there's a 411 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: self belief that you know, this is going to work 412 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: to some degree, even though at times you do doubt 413 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: that you're going you know, appecially as the longer it 414 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: goes on and you're not getting that success and it's like, Okay, 415 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: maybe this isn't going to work. You know, you doubt it, 416 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: But there's part of me that always believes that, yes, 417 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: this is going to work, and what I'm writing is 418 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: good enough. And there's some you know, I think a 419 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: lot of really good songs that other people connect to, 420 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: and I try to do that. So you write these 421 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: songs that people can connect to them and they part 422 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: it becomes part of their life opportunities and we talk 423 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: about the opportunities and that that song in particular is 424 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: just lyrically just connected to people. So I think you 425 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: know in your mind that some things are good, but 426 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: whether it's going to happen till you don't know, like 427 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: it's really hot, you know, I do say a lot 428 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: of times when you think you've got to hit you 429 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: don't and you don't think you've got to hit you 430 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: do you can't tell you, you can't tell what people 431 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: Like I said before, I hope you like the new 432 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: album when it comes out. You know, I think it's 433 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 1: really great. But that doesn't mean you're going to but 434 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: you know, you'd like to think that you will, but 435 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: people to have different tastes. Yeah. Wow. 436 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: So once Feeler came out and then it just you know, 437 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: propelled onto the sort of global stage, how did your 438 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 2: definition of success change? Because I think there's a really 439 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 2: interesting relationship between happiness and success. That's a big part 440 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 2: of the show. That we chase success for a lot 441 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 2: of our lives and then suddenly you realize it doesn't 442 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: actually make you happy. It's like it's a good metric, 443 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 2: but it's not the only one. How did you sort 444 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: of you know, you got success and then did it 445 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: make you happy? And then were you sort of like 446 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: what's next? 447 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: Success is different for everyone. So for me this I 448 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: mentioned to you earlier. I did this for lifestyle. So 449 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: because when I was eighteen, my dad died. He was 450 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: forty seven, and I saw him work his whole life 451 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: and he sold his business. Is what to make a jeweler, 452 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: sold his business, worked for the guy who he sold 453 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: the business too, literally finished working for that god just 454 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: to sort of asical he transitioned with him over and 455 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: help him out. For that twelve months, Mum and dad 456 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: bought a caravan. We're about to travel around Australia and 457 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: just enjoy the time together, you know, and have a 458 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: bit of a holiday and probably going to live up 459 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: Unshine Coast and you know, kind of semi retire up there. 460 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: That was their goal. And before that could happen, he had, 461 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: I think a month after he'd finished the work, he 462 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: had a heart attack and died. So for me, I 463 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: was like that was a massive lesson for me, and 464 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: I thought, that's not going to happen to me. What 465 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: I want is time, and I want a lifestyle that 466 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: I don't work my whole life doing something that you know, 467 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: like it's I mean, Dad still enjoyed his job, but 468 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, I want something that I want to enjoy 469 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: it now whatever the job is. So it's not a 470 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: job you know and travel the world and what is 471 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: this job that I was going to fight and know 472 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: what it was at time, But for me that was 473 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: really important to have lifestyle and have time. It wasn't 474 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: about money, it wasn't about being the most fake, it 475 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: was nothing about fame, to be honest, It's just about 476 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: time and obviously being financial enough that you had time. 477 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: So the work that you're doing was fun, you loved it. 478 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: There's no question about, Okay, I want to do something 479 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: else because it sucks. And having that lifestyle that I 480 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: have time with my kids so that we have a 481 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: lot of time together and they're growing up and I'm 482 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: part of their life. Because Dad was always working for me. 483 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: It was always in the shop working and we didn't 484 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: forget to hang out much. And I was I just 485 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: had my eighteenth birthday two months before he died. It's 486 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: the first time I really got to know him a 487 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: little bit as a as a friend or as an adult. 488 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: You know. Before that was just he was always busy 489 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: working and we just didn't have that. We had a 490 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: good relationship, but just didn't know him that well, you know. 491 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: So for me, I was like, this is lifestyle I 492 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: want to have. I want to grow up with my kids. 493 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we I'm part of 494 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: their life, that I'm going to go to all their 495 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: events and just I used to go to school with 496 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: boys who are a bit old, and our Charlie turns 497 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: twenty one soon and Pedro seventeen. When that PRIMI school, 498 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: I used to go and play handball with all them 499 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: and their mates right through to when the bell started 500 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: and that go, you know, so that I had time 501 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: to do it. I didn't have to race off to work. 502 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: That's what I was chasing, and that's what I wanted. 503 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: So my success, I achieved it and I've still achieved it. 504 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: So that's the thing that I have a lifestyle. I 505 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: don't have to go and work as such on an 506 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: hourly rate for someone else, you know, to try and 507 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: go and get that done. And that's where I had 508 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: a conversation with dad early on. And you see, when 509 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: I just lef school, he said, what do you want 510 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: to do? And I just wasn't too sure at that stage, 511 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: or I hadn't left scholled, this stage wasn't too short, 512 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: and he said, we'll just make sure you work for yourself, 513 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: because that's better. If you work for someone else, it's 514 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: just hard to sort of get what you're doing. Work 515 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: for yourself, your own you're your own boss. You can 516 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: do what you want, and it was just good advice 517 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: to do that. So so for me, that's that was 518 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 1: my success, you know, and fame couldn't care less about it. 519 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: This is something that you know, I used to get 520 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: invited to all the openings and the red carpets and things, 521 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: and I just didn't want to go to them, you know, 522 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: it just wasn't I'm happy not to sort of be 523 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: that person. 524 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry that you lost your father at such 525 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 2: a formative age in your life, and obviously it's such 526 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: a time where you just started a really beautiful relationship. 527 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: But it's beautiful how that lesson came to you about 528 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: time being the commodity that's far more important than anything else. 529 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: Money is important to buy your time or to change 530 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: the quality of your time. That you got it so 531 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 2: early in life, because I think people do take a 532 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: very very long time to kind of reach that realization, 533 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: and often it is too late. They've made decisions that 534 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: maybe they regret. 535 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: People chase money, people do things for money most of 536 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: the time. That's the thing that's I think that's a 537 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 1: big mistake. They make decisions based on money and how 538 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: they can get more money. And I'll work the whole 539 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: life to get more money and then don't really get 540 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: to use it that much, you know, and it's the time. 541 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: Like a friend who is as a barrister, and I 542 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: was talking him one day and talking about this exact thing, 543 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: how I had time and I spent my time with 544 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: my kids. I'd spent so much time with my kids 545 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: and I still love doing it. He started crying. He 546 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: had tears. Andy's eyes going, you know what, You've really 547 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: hit a nerve there, Like he said, I'll go to 548 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: work at seven and I don't come home toil like 549 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: nine o'clock at night time. My girl's now turning twenty 550 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: and twenty one, and I've missed most of the life. 551 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: I was like, like, well, time to think about that change, 552 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: isn't it, you know, like you and people miss it 553 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: because they's kind of doing you know, they're caught up 554 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: in work and it works like I don't want to work. 555 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: You know, Look this is that's not like you want 556 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: to do something of the life. I think we've got 557 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 1: it all wrong the way the whole thing's set up 558 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: and can't change it now. It is what it is. 559 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: But and there's another story. A guy I knew how 560 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: to boat went over to Balle and was met one 561 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: of the locals there on the beach, and the guy said, 562 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, you guys have got it all wrong. You 563 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: guys work your whole life and whole life and then 564 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: you don't still don't have much and you die and 565 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: that's it. Well, we don't have much, but we have 566 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: this life that we just live and we enjoy. And 567 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: there's something in that, you know. I mean, every day 568 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: these guys aren't wanting more and more and more, and 569 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: when they're just like happy doing their own thing and 570 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: they're living their life where how many people go jump 571 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: on a train, sit there for a while and get 572 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: off and go to work and sit in the same 573 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: office for forty years and just like, you know, that's it. 574 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: And I remember reading something else that a lot of 575 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: men the biggest regret they had on their deathbed was 576 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: that they didn't spend enough time with the kids. 577 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting. I used to be a merchants 578 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: and acquisitions lawyer, so I had that exact realization, and 579 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: I feel very lucky that I had it before I 580 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 2: became a mum, so that by the time I did 581 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 2: get to this stage of my life, i'd kind of 582 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: reorganized my priority so I didn't miss a minute, and 583 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 2: I had learned that you can't take it with you, like, 584 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: what's the point in waiting. I'll enjoy it when assuming 585 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: that you get time, but you don't know how long 586 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: you have. So I love that lesson and it seems 587 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: like you. I mean, now, I've seen you playing music 588 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 2: with your son, so I love that you've got this 589 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: beautiful family kind of weaved into your passion, which is 590 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: also your job. It's this beautiful mix of everything. 591 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: It is good. Yeah, I mean, look, my goal would 592 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: be to have We've got four kids now, so have 593 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: them all playing in the band one time. 594 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: You know, are they into music? 595 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: What Charlie elst one is Pedro seventeen year old, not 596 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: yet so hopefully will we but not yet. He hasn't 597 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: any sort of got into it. And then the two 598 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: girls kind of they love singing, dancing, and so I 599 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: think that they will. Now every time we get the 600 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: guitar out there strumming it and trying to play it, 601 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: and so I feel that they will. But yeah, it'd 602 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: be pretty cool to have it like the Muzzer Band. 603 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 2: I think Charlie maybe was in the audience at the 604 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 2: project and you somehow embarrassed him with some corny photo 605 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: or something. Do they know how famous you are? Like 606 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 2: do they have a bar of you or not? 607 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: Well, as a kid, they don't. They don't realize really 608 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: much about it. But I do remember Pedro when he 609 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: was a little wild time and I was somewhere and 610 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: I just had people kept up going, we must be 611 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: at the footy somewhere and people can come, so can 612 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: they get a photo? Can you sign this? That's right 613 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: signing stuff? You can sign this, sign that. And then 614 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: Pedro said to me, Dad, why do people want you 615 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: to squiggle on a piece of paper for me? And 616 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know some people like that. He 617 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: just you thought that was a weird concept. Here I'm 618 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: just scribbling on a piece of paper. So they don't 619 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: really As they get older they understand it, of course, 620 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: you know. And I think that that. You know. The 621 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: girls are six and three, so they've been to a 622 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: couple shows now and they'll sort of watch and then 623 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: just sort of color in beside stage and then but 624 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: I did one show in West australiaere they both came 625 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: out and I held them both up and the crowd 626 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: love it, you know, like it was, and I'd love 627 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: the two LEAs that have come out waves of the 628 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: crowd and stuff, so they get a bit of a 629 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: buzz out. Yes, I think they know that I'm a 630 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: singer and performer and stuff, so yes, it's it's good fun. 631 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 2: It's funny to think that you're like, you know, have 632 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: long been part of the definition of cool and that 633 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 2: you have kids that know that you're famous. But I mean, 634 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: I'm sure the boys are just like, oh, Dad, like, don't. 635 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: Never been like that? 636 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: Really, that's so nice. 637 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: They're all like, yeah, it's kind of nice because they 638 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: don't see me as that uncool person. I guess, uncol Dad. 639 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you're Pete Murray, you are pretty cool. 640 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: But I treat them like, you know, my kids, but 641 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: with respect and we have fun together. And I've had 642 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: that close with them too, you know, so you know, 643 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: I guess they were just close. So there's never been 644 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: anything where and I'm pretty cool, like in the way 645 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: that I don't lose it if they do something wrong 646 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: because they've got to learn from that, you know, and 647 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: they probably know they can get away a few things 648 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: with me. But there's a limit. There's a limit that 649 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: you know what I will put up with as well. Well. 650 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 2: You sound very well adjusted. So the new single, wouldn't 651 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 2: It Be Good? Is the first independent single in twenty years, 652 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: and you're about to go on a national tour. I 653 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 2: think you're doing some amazing regional visits as well. I 654 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: would love to know when do you know it's time 655 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: for a new album? Like when are you? Just like, 656 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: I've got enough in my brain for a whole new 657 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: release and we're going to get on the road this. 658 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: Album coming out. I definitely felt like we needed some 659 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: new music. I think they had two EPs that came 660 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: out during COVID, and I think it just kind of 661 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: COVID was a tough time to really get your music herd. 662 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: It was difficult, so and I think that just kind 663 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: of slipped under the radar, the two EPs. I remember 664 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: talking to some people that are going, we didn't even 665 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: know you had something come out. 666 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: It's like, wow, my bad. 667 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: Some great songs on those EPs, which I did turn 668 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: into an album anyway, But definitely felt like I needed 669 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: some new music. And I've been, you know, playing the 670 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: old songs for a long time, so I still play 671 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: those songs, but I definitely felt like we needed some 672 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: new songs out there that I was definitely due for 673 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: a really good album. That's what I felt, and so 674 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: i've you know, I've had some of these songs have 675 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: been self started writing and about twenty fourteen and demoing 676 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: and sort of you know, there's some older ones there 677 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: that've been hanging around for a while that just needed 678 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: to be finished off. But sometimes that happens. You know, 679 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: some things aren't ready for a particular album, and you 680 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: know at the right time they will be. So there's 681 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,239 Speaker 1: some real sort of a bit of nostalgia I think 682 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: in this because this is reminds me of Feeler in 683 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: the way that feel It took time to write Feeler. 684 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: I did The Game and then you know, plenty of 685 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: demoing in that period, and then when I got signed, 686 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: we took five songs off The Game and put on 687 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: to Feeler. So this album as well, has been pretty 688 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: much done over ten years. If I go back and 689 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: look at all the songs, because I keep all the songs, 690 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: and when it's the right time for the right album, 691 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: I think I'll put that out, then they'll be there. 692 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: So there's a body of work there over ten years. 693 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: That's what makes this new album great. I think that 694 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: you've just got It's not just written in two years 695 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: and thrown out just because I need to get one 696 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, there's nostalgia in this stuff, and there's 697 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: some good songs and it feels great. So yeah, definitely, 698 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: right now I'm due, And now I've got a lot 699 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: of other stuff just backed up that I'm just going 700 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:42,479 Speaker 1: to keep putting stuff out. I've actually re recorded some 701 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 1: of the old songs now too, because I can do that, 702 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: and I'm going to put them out again. So my 703 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: versions of those so pulling a swifty I call it, 704 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, like a tailor. Swift has done that, so 705 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: she's led the way, and I think it's you know, 706 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: for me, I wanted to record I guess how I 707 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: played those songs now out lives. There's a little bit 708 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: more energy in some of them, and you're just over time, 709 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: you just start to do things a little differently, so 710 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: they're still similar than what the old versions are, but 711 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: they're just got that fresher sound to them. 712 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: I love that you use the word nostalgia as well, 713 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 2: because I feel like one of the reasons why so 714 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: many of your songs do hit people in the fields 715 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 2: is because you hear them and it transports them to 716 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: a time in their life that's so significant, and you like, 717 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: there's so much feeling in it that you remember everything 718 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: you felt in that moment. I have songs, and a 719 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: couple of yours are like this where I almost can't 720 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 2: turn them on if I'm not emotionally in a good spot, 721 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 2: because they're so it's like a visceral reaction. You just 722 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: get so overwhelmed by that nostalgia. Like I've always wondered 723 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: and I've never had the chance to ask anyone. I 724 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: can imagine it's so much more intense when you wrote 725 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 2: the song, Like do you hear those songs and it 726 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: transports you back to who you were when you wrote them? 727 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 2: And are there moments where you're like, I can't even 728 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 2: listen to that song? 729 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: Oh look, it's incredible now, because you know, I've played 730 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: a festival of a couple weeks ago called Handpicked down 731 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: in Adelaide, and virtually it's like a bunch of twenty 732 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: year olds. They're like the younger generation, and so I 733 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: was like a little bit nervous. I've done two shows, 734 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: which has been kind of the twenty year old crowd. 735 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: There was one in New Zealand last year, of course 736 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: snow Machine, and then hand picked a couple weeks ago, 737 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: and that younger demographic from my fan base. I guess 738 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: that have grown up with me. I was kind of nervous, thinking, 739 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: will they know me, will they know the songs? Will 740 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: they be kind of going, who's this old fellow? You know? 741 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: So I just didn't know, like it's just twenty year olds. 742 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: So and came on and played the set and they 743 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: sang word for word. They were like so pumped up 744 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: and it was incredible. So it's on my Instagram of 745 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: people going and check it, which is Pete Murray Music, 746 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: Go and check out that. There's there's some footage of 747 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: those young crowd, like just belt in the lyrics out 748 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: said songs like Opportunity, better Days, so beautiful. They're just 749 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: singing these songs because these were the songs that really 750 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: meant something to you know, their parents or their older siblings, 751 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: and they've grown up with these songs now. So you know, 752 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 1: when I was walking back from stage to the green room, 753 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: you have to go past the crowd, So everyone was 754 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: coming up the fence and they going, look, this is 755 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: so good. To see you play, and we grew up 756 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: with these songs. You know, these songs, they're pretty much 757 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: mean as much to these guys as they do for 758 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: their parents and older siblings. So it's kind of like, 759 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: I guess it's a sign of a good song that 760 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: goes down in generations and stays with people and still 761 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,399 Speaker 1: have that same feeling. And hopefully these guys will grow 762 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: up in the next ten years and still come to 763 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: more contents and just you know, get into that. So 764 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, we'll see, but it's been great to see. 765 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 2: That before we finish. Though. One of the big things 766 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: about happiness, I think is that even if you love 767 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 2: your job and it doesn't feel like work like for you, 768 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 2: music is obviously something that doesn't feel like going to 769 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 2: an office and sitting down. I think you stay fresh 770 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 2: and passionate if you have hobbies or passions that are 771 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 2: outside of that. So when you're not playing music, like 772 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 2: maybe in between albums downtime, when you're not listening to 773 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 2: other people's music, is there anything you love doing that's 774 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 2: just like your guilty pleasure? Like do you crochet? Do 775 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 2: you surf? 776 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: Like? What are you? 777 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 2: What are your things? 778 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: Look grabbing that much of chances. I do like surfing, 779 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: but having that much of chance to serfl because just 780 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: the kids have been two young kids against something. So 781 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: at home quite a bit, I like hanging with family, 782 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, and hanging out with the kids and just 783 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: doing that stuff. For like going to the beach. I 784 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: like being outdoors. That's really nice. Going to the beach 785 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: and hanging out there is quite nice. And just going 786 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: out with those guys and playing in the park, and 787 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of a nice thing because really, 788 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: like you know, doing music is I get a lot 789 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: of enjoyment out of that. So you go on tour 790 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: and play with her mates. It's really I'm blessed that 791 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: I can do that because that's fun for me. It's 792 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: it's really just once again, you know, it's doing those 793 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: things that my dad missed, you know, like being with family, 794 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: being with kids and doing those things that's really important. 795 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 2: Oh that's so beautiful. It really comes through that being 796 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 2: a dad is such a big part of your life 797 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 2: and it's not like work is two percent and then 798 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: everything else has to fit in like the ten percent 799 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 2: that's leftover. 800 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: So wrong that people do that and one or. 801 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 2: Two guilty pleasure questions for me is just what's your 802 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 2: two favorite songs that aren't your own, two or three 803 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 2: from any era? 804 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: Yep, okay, Neil Young Bob Dylan. So they're two my 805 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: favorite artists. Bob Dylan positively Fourth Street. I love that 806 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: track the way he sings it, and it's just having 807 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: to go with all the people that have had to 808 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: go with him over the time. He does it lyrically, 809 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: it's fantastic. Neil Young. There's probably heaps of Neil Young songs. 810 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 1: I could mention, Oh, do you hard to pick one? Gosh, 811 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: there's so many. Expecting to Fly is a really nice 812 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: song that people have made not know, but it was 813 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: something that when dad died, I remember listening to that 814 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: song quite a bit, very powerful song. And Third, I've 815 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: always said, you know a song that I wish I 816 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: could write was ever Long by the Food. Oh, that's 817 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: just a great song. 818 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 2: I love it so much. 819 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: Melody. That's the song that people said, what if you 820 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: could have written a song, what was it like? Well, 821 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: that would be That's just such a great song. 822 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 2: Is there anyone that you would love to play with 823 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 2: at any point in your life? Do you do? Have 824 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 2: you ever released a joint single like a jewet. 825 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, but there's a song, a new song that's 826 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: coming out actually has a bit of a country flavored 827 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: to it and do that with maybe a female country singer. 828 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: So we just we're just kind of looking for for 829 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: that at the moment. I probably did like my own 830 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: version anyway, but have another version where we can do 831 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: like a duwet thing with the country female artists. 832 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. Well, Pete, thank you so much for your time. 833 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 2: I'm so so excited for the whole new album. Where 834 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 2: does it come out? When can we get it? 835 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: It'll be out in the bed October next year. So 836 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of songs kind of you know, every 837 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: six weeks or so, will be coming out singles. The 838 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: first one's out now, the second one comes out on 839 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: the sixth of February, and then after that it'll be 840 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: sort of every six weeks. We'll probably low you know, 841 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: thybe six songs coming out before the album drops. 842 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 2: Well, A'll be listening along keenly, wouldn't it be good? 843 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 2: Is out now? 844 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: Guys? 845 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,240 Speaker 2: I will include a link for you to listen along 846 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 2: and get a taste of what is to come. Pete, 847 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 2: congratulations and thank you so much for joining us. 848 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,479 Speaker 1: Thank you, and i's to talk to you as well. 849 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 2: Honestly, Pete's songs transport me so vividly to parts of 850 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 2: my life. What an absolute dream to chat with him 851 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 2: about how it all unraveled, and such an amazing reminder 852 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 2: for all of us that it is never too late 853 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 2: to stumble upon something new that you love, that you 854 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 2: never knew that you loved, or that you were good at. 855 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: As promised, I will pop links to everything in the 856 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 2: show notes, of course, share the episode and tag at 857 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 2: Pete murray music as well if you enjoyed to let 858 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 2: him know what you think, maybe tell him your favorite song. 859 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 2: And in the meantime, I hope you're all having a 860 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 2: wonderful week and are seizing your yaman femmininmon