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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but it's all me and Andy.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about what are you going to do to

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Speaker 3: What have you got coming up and tell.

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Speaker 1: The people tell you we can't beat you at your game.

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Speaker 1: I'll just keep refreshing it till we get back there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well done.

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Speaker 2: Who was that Jesse was so referring to Hamish?

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Speaker 4: Blake has finally released a statement conceded.

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Speaker 5: Regarding our victory in the podcast Ranker where we did

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Speaker 5: beat Hamish Nandy. They are usually number one. We got

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Speaker 5: number one. It's of course completely irrelevant that they are

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Speaker 5: on holidays, but.

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Speaker 2: They haven't really been releasing them.

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Speaker 5: No, and that Hamish has probably been laying by a

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I heard when I heard that?

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Speaker 3: I heard a scared man.

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Speaker 5: I heard a scared man too. I mean it was

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Speaker 5: it was diplomatic. He'd clearly prepared that statement and really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's clearly true that he and Andy spoke of

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Speaker 2: nothing else.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and it's clear that that certainly wasn't the.

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Speaker 4: First he'd heard of the fact we beat him in

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Speaker 4: I would say he is a dignified loser.

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Speaker 2: He's a dignified loser, and you're in our thoughts, Hamish.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, better luck next month. Actually, I don't even think

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Speaker 5: decide to come back for five minutes and you smash her.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, out Loud as Welcome to Australia's number one podcast.

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Speaker 5: We keep saying that until Hamish is our annual needs

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Speaker 5: back to work.

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Speaker 2: This is Mama Mire out Loud and it's what women

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Speaker 2: are actually talking about. On Monday, the twenty third of February.

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Speaker 4: I'm Holly Wayne Wright, I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Amelia Lester and here's.

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Speaker 2: What's on our agenda for today. So Prince William was

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Speaker 2: just at the bafter's right. Just happened just before we

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Speaker 2: Hamnet and he gave a very understandable response to that.

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Speaker 2: That suggests he's had maybe other things on his mind.

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Speaker 4: He's not maybe in the mental yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like I think perhaps the fact that his uncle may

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Speaker 5: Plus, we finally know what replaced the girl boss feminism

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Speaker 5: of the twenty tens. It is the burnout feminism of

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Speaker 5: the twenty twenties. But we want to know if that

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Speaker 3: And we all think we know what happened last week

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Speaker 1: But the truth is a little bit more complicated.

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Speaker 2: But first, so as I say, Prince William, Princess Catherine,

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Speaker 2: of Catherine's health. Right, so this is a triumphant return

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Speaker 2: to the red carpet, as the tablelats would say. She

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Speaker 2: I know she's recycling it, which is ace. But unlike

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Speaker 2: you miss it all over William if you're don't about

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Speaker 2: It's very sad emotional movie. I know lots of people

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Speaker 2: who share Prince William's sentiment on this. He said, I

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Speaker 5: I listened to an emergency episode of Mummy out loud

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Speaker 3: If you look at Charles's statement that he released after

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Speaker 2: So the reason is this didn't come from nowhere. This

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Speaker 2: There is a journalist and an author called Andrew Lowney

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Speaker 6: I have counterless stories in my book entitled in My Research,

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Speaker 6: This is a problem that goes way back. And Andrew

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Speaker 3: Wow, the fact that he's saying that Andrew Lowney really

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Speaker 1: But that's a very credible source.

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Speaker 2: anymore of whatever you're going to do. And that was

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Speaker 2: there is an enormous public dissatisfaction with obviously Andrew's actions,

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Speaker 2: So this is the thing, right, is that one of

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Speaker 4: A fun fact to end on.

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Speaker 5: Did you know that fourteen years ago a member of

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Speaker 5: Princess Anne pled guilty after her dog, a three year

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Speaker 4: Any fine Andrew's gotten. But you know, Princess Anne did

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Speaker 5: There's an article in Bloomberg this week about how burnout

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but this decade, the twenty twenties, is all about

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Speaker 5: wrote a very successful book and substack and all of that,

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00:20:52,474 --> 00:20:54,834
Speaker 5: but basically she was like, this burns me out and

440
00:20:54,874 --> 00:20:57,114
Speaker 5: it makes me not happy, and she started this movement.

441
00:20:57,874 --> 00:21:01,594
Speaker 5: There's even one book called Life After Ambition, which sums

442
00:21:01,674 --> 00:21:05,194
Speaker 5: up a lot about this genre. For some women, having

443
00:21:05,234 --> 00:21:09,914
Speaker 5: babies is the breaking point, and for others it was

444
00:21:10,234 --> 00:21:13,114
Speaker 5: discovering that despite their one hundred and thirty hour work weeks,

445
00:21:13,154 --> 00:21:14,554
Speaker 5: they were still getting paid less.

446
00:21:14,394 --> 00:21:17,754
Speaker 4: Than the men they worked alongside. Amelia.

447
00:21:17,874 --> 00:21:21,634
Speaker 5: There are definitely some parts of burnout feminism to be

448
00:21:21,954 --> 00:21:25,474
Speaker 5: celebrated in terms of us all going this is too much,

449
00:21:25,474 --> 00:21:29,754
Speaker 5: I can't do it. But should we be worried about

450
00:21:29,754 --> 00:21:32,994
Speaker 5: this kind of shaming of female ambition. There's this idea

451
00:21:33,114 --> 00:21:39,274
Speaker 5: that the new trend is that we've all got to

452
00:21:39,354 --> 00:21:45,474
Speaker 5: pretend like work life balance, hobbies, not striving too much

453
00:21:45,514 --> 00:21:48,514
Speaker 5: is what we really want, and I'm not seeing maybe

454
00:21:48,754 --> 00:21:50,594
Speaker 5: men being pressured the same.

455
00:21:50,394 --> 00:21:51,354
Speaker 1: Way use the problem.

456
00:21:51,434 --> 00:21:54,434
Speaker 3: Men aren't leaning out, Men are still just at that

457
00:21:54,514 --> 00:21:58,594
Speaker 3: table leaning in yes, And that tells me that there's

458
00:21:58,634 --> 00:22:01,033
Speaker 3: something awry with this trend.

459
00:22:01,434 --> 00:22:02,754
Speaker 1: If this article actually made me.

460
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Speaker 3: Quite sad, the idea that it says that for all

461
00:22:06,114 --> 00:22:10,434
Speaker 3: of human history women's ambition has been condemned except for

462
00:22:10,474 --> 00:22:13,314
Speaker 3: this brief period between twenty thirteen and twenty twenty.

463
00:22:13,354 --> 00:22:15,274
Speaker 1: That really hit home for me because.

464
00:22:15,074 --> 00:22:18,074
Speaker 5: It's true, and there's so much hatred towards the women

465
00:22:18,074 --> 00:22:19,194
Speaker 5: who led that girl bus.

466
00:22:19,114 --> 00:22:21,074
Speaker 4: Here are like so much vitriol.

467
00:22:20,634 --> 00:22:24,314
Speaker 3: True, And I just think that it's also a little

468
00:22:24,354 --> 00:22:28,314
Speaker 3: disingenuous for all these authors that are cited in here

469
00:22:28,354 --> 00:22:31,073
Speaker 3: to tell us how they're just so lazy now and

470
00:22:31,114 --> 00:22:32,793
Speaker 3: they do nothing to eat banana bread.

471
00:22:33,034 --> 00:22:35,154
Speaker 1: But I'm reading this in books they've written.

472
00:22:35,194 --> 00:22:37,793
Speaker 3: Now. I've never written a book, but I think that

473
00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:41,034
Speaker 3: they're quite time consuming, is what I've heard, and they're

474
00:22:41,114 --> 00:22:44,074
Speaker 3: quite impressive achievements. So do tell me how lazy you

475
00:22:44,114 --> 00:22:45,674
Speaker 3: are when I'm reading it in a book you.

476
00:22:45,634 --> 00:22:48,513
Speaker 5: Wrote, Rebsolutely, nothing burns you out like writing a book.

477
00:22:49,314 --> 00:22:52,234
Speaker 5: I'm not seeing these people disappear. It's like I see

478
00:22:52,234 --> 00:22:57,354
Speaker 5: the reinvention. I mean, it's just rebranding, right, it's rebranding.

479
00:22:57,434 --> 00:23:01,434
Speaker 5: And it's like, is there something unpopular now about going well,

480
00:23:01,434 --> 00:23:02,394
Speaker 5: I want to be the boss?

481
00:23:02,754 --> 00:23:03,994
Speaker 4: Like is that kind of Well?

482
00:23:04,034 --> 00:23:07,394
Speaker 2: It's interesting, isn't it? Because maybe it's just splintering because

483
00:23:07,394 --> 00:23:09,034
Speaker 2: there is still a lot of what you would call

484
00:23:09,114 --> 00:23:11,154
Speaker 2: girl bossing on the internet. Look at Emma Greed. We

485
00:23:11,154 --> 00:23:13,074
Speaker 2: talk about her all the time, right, she's boss lady

486
00:23:13,074 --> 00:23:15,874
Speaker 2: at Skins. Look at all every Kardashian. Look that these

487
00:23:15,874 --> 00:23:18,354
Speaker 2: are not lazy people. These are not that any of

488
00:23:18,354 --> 00:23:19,714
Speaker 2: these women are lazy, but you know what I mean,

489
00:23:19,754 --> 00:23:23,234
Speaker 2: they're not celebrating not working. They are work bitch, right,

490
00:23:23,954 --> 00:23:27,114
Speaker 2: And I think that this is a pushback to that

491
00:23:28,154 --> 00:23:31,674
Speaker 2: because it's an interesting question about the men. Are men

492
00:23:31,754 --> 00:23:33,794
Speaker 2: allowed to burn out? I don't know that they are,

493
00:23:34,154 --> 00:23:35,754
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like, I think that

494
00:23:35,834 --> 00:23:39,674
Speaker 2: the culture we expect men to work, work, work, work, work,

495
00:23:39,714 --> 00:23:41,834
Speaker 2: and if they were to say I'm burnt out and

496
00:23:41,834 --> 00:23:44,194
Speaker 2: I need to stop, we'd probably everyone would probably be

497
00:23:44,274 --> 00:23:46,714
Speaker 2: quite mocking of them. Are we seeing like a splintering

498
00:23:46,794 --> 00:23:50,754
Speaker 2: of different groups because the girl boss world doesn't suit everybody,

499
00:23:51,194 --> 00:23:54,194
Speaker 2: doesn't make them happy, doesn't make them feel fulfilled. Nor

500
00:23:54,274 --> 00:23:56,634
Speaker 2: does the soft life as they call it, suit everybody.

501
00:23:56,714 --> 00:23:59,074
Speaker 2: So are we not just seeing a broader range?

502
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Speaker 5: Because or was the issue though that we were being

503
00:24:03,074 --> 00:24:07,674
Speaker 5: yelled at to lean in while our home lives mark

504
00:24:08,074 --> 00:24:11,234
Speaker 5: in terms of who was looking after our children.

505
00:24:12,194 --> 00:24:15,914
Speaker 2: We were all that's exactly the reaction to that, you know,

506
00:24:15,954 --> 00:24:17,594
Speaker 2: which is the fact that, well, you can girl boss

507
00:24:17,674 --> 00:24:19,274
Speaker 2: or you want, but when you get home, you're still

508
00:24:19,474 --> 00:24:21,394
Speaker 2: mopping the floor and cooking the dinner and try.

509
00:24:21,554 --> 00:24:23,394
Speaker 5: And a man can lean in if the woman is

510
00:24:23,434 --> 00:24:26,394
Speaker 5: still doing the majority of the domestic load, which I

511
00:24:26,434 --> 00:24:29,314
Speaker 5: think was that contributing to the burner.

512
00:24:29,474 --> 00:24:31,754
Speaker 3: Look, I hate to be doing this, but I'm going

513
00:24:31,834 --> 00:24:33,234
Speaker 3: to defend Cheryl Samberg.

514
00:24:33,434 --> 00:24:34,833
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I have to.

515
00:24:35,074 --> 00:24:38,314
Speaker 3: I do think that the whole lean In idea got

516
00:24:38,354 --> 00:24:42,594
Speaker 3: completely misunderstood by everyone. The whole idea was that you

517
00:24:42,674 --> 00:24:45,513
Speaker 3: meant to instead of preemptively saying, well, I want to

518
00:24:45,514 --> 00:24:48,674
Speaker 3: have kids, therefore I'm not going to work as hard

519
00:24:49,034 --> 00:24:51,634
Speaker 3: just in preparation for that. She's like, no, just keep

520
00:24:51,674 --> 00:24:54,434
Speaker 3: working hard until the point that you want to have kids,

521
00:24:54,474 --> 00:24:56,354
Speaker 3: and then you can reassess. That was all she was

522
00:24:56,394 --> 00:24:58,874
Speaker 3: saying with lean In she was saying, lean in until

523
00:24:58,874 --> 00:25:00,514
Speaker 3: you can't lean in anymore.

524
00:25:00,114 --> 00:25:02,834
Speaker 2: And you'll be in a good position take break now.

525
00:25:02,874 --> 00:25:04,234
Speaker 1: It is not bad advice.

526
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Speaker 3: And I recently went to speak at my high school,

527
00:25:07,554 --> 00:25:09,834
Speaker 3: as I know you did, Jesse, and I was sent

528
00:25:09,874 --> 00:25:13,154
Speaker 3: a list of sample questions by the high school students

529
00:25:13,194 --> 00:25:16,554
Speaker 3: who invited me, and one of the questions was how

530
00:25:16,594 --> 00:25:20,154
Speaker 3: do you achieve work life balance? And I just thought,

531
00:25:20,394 --> 00:25:25,114
Speaker 3: how insane at seventeen to be worried about that about

532
00:25:25,234 --> 00:25:28,194
Speaker 3: work life balance. I just don't think they need to

533
00:25:28,234 --> 00:25:31,434
Speaker 3: worry about that, And that was Cheryl's point. So I

534
00:25:31,554 --> 00:25:34,513
Speaker 3: kind of worry that by telling us all not to

535
00:25:34,594 --> 00:25:36,874
Speaker 3: work so hard, not to worry so much, there's a

536
00:25:36,874 --> 00:25:40,154
Speaker 3: bit of a nefarious conservative agenda underneath it, because it's

537
00:25:40,194 --> 00:25:42,954
Speaker 3: basically saying like, you don't need money, and the fact

538
00:25:42,994 --> 00:25:45,714
Speaker 3: is women need money. The pay gap is widening again

539
00:25:45,954 --> 00:25:48,434
Speaker 3: for the first time in a while, and it's because

540
00:25:48,554 --> 00:25:51,474
Speaker 3: women are being told that actually their financial future and

541
00:25:51,514 --> 00:25:52,874
Speaker 3: security is not important.

542
00:25:53,034 --> 00:25:54,273
Speaker 1: Okay, who benefits from that?

543
00:25:54,514 --> 00:25:57,114
Speaker 2: But I agree with you entirely. But also, and I

544
00:25:57,194 --> 00:25:59,793
Speaker 2: think I've told this story before, so throw something at

545
00:25:59,794 --> 00:26:01,793
Speaker 2: my head. That's the case. But so I had a

546
00:26:01,874 --> 00:26:06,274
Speaker 2: significant episode of burnout in the mid twenty teens when

547
00:26:06,314 --> 00:26:08,754
Speaker 2: my kids were little, and I remember very clearly being

548
00:26:08,754 --> 00:26:11,513
Speaker 2: at the doctor and like having it was very similar

549
00:26:11,514 --> 00:26:14,353
Speaker 2: to the way that Emma Gannon explains it. And I

550
00:26:14,394 --> 00:26:15,874
Speaker 2: was crying at the doctor and I was trying to

551
00:26:15,874 --> 00:26:17,754
Speaker 2: explain to her what was wrong with me. And this doctor,

552
00:26:17,794 --> 00:26:20,354
Speaker 2: who was much younger than me and very glamorous, she

553
00:26:20,474 --> 00:26:23,194
Speaker 2: said to me, Oh, I see women like you all

554
00:26:23,234 --> 00:26:25,354
Speaker 2: the time. She said, women trying to have it all.

555
00:26:25,634 --> 00:26:26,594
Speaker 2: That's what she said to me.

556
00:26:26,714 --> 00:26:31,154
Speaker 5: And the doctor said, doctor, and I diagnose you with

557
00:26:31,234 --> 00:26:32,754
Speaker 5: trying to have it I.

558
00:26:32,674 --> 00:26:34,594
Speaker 2: Diagnosed you with trying to have it all. And I

559
00:26:34,634 --> 00:26:37,434
Speaker 2: was busy having my burnout meltdown, which apparently was right

560
00:26:37,474 --> 00:26:39,634
Speaker 2: on schedule exactly what it was.

561
00:26:39,914 --> 00:26:42,994
Speaker 3: Well, this doctor is obviously just slacking away. Didn't go

562
00:26:43,074 --> 00:26:43,594
Speaker 3: through medical.

563
00:26:43,874 --> 00:26:46,914
Speaker 2: Yes, I was like trying to have it all, like

564
00:26:46,994 --> 00:26:48,593
Speaker 2: have a job and have a family like those.

565
00:26:48,754 --> 00:26:51,074
Speaker 5: You were also trying to run a marathon, which you

566
00:26:51,154 --> 00:26:52,313
Speaker 5: do talk about often.

567
00:26:52,474 --> 00:26:56,114
Speaker 2: Well I did. That was possibly my mistake. But the

568
00:26:56,154 --> 00:26:58,714
Speaker 2: thing is is I can't bear my view on this

569
00:26:58,874 --> 00:27:02,514
Speaker 2: is that it is true that we absolutely fetishized busyness

570
00:27:02,514 --> 00:27:04,314
Speaker 2: for a while there, and I think we're pulling back

571
00:27:04,354 --> 00:27:05,914
Speaker 2: from that, that whole thing of like how are you

572
00:27:05,954 --> 00:27:06,314
Speaker 2: and busy?

573
00:27:06,314 --> 00:27:07,034
Speaker 1: How I'm going?

574
00:27:07,234 --> 00:27:11,034
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And I think that there is a sort

575
00:27:11,034 --> 00:27:13,554
Speaker 2: of for a high achieving woman, but I'm sure it's

576
00:27:13,594 --> 00:27:16,314
Speaker 2: probably true of a hygiene man. I don't know. If

577
00:27:16,354 --> 00:27:19,513
Speaker 2: we're not completely stretched all the time and doing twenty

578
00:27:19,514 --> 00:27:21,074
Speaker 2: five things all the time and we get a moment

579
00:27:21,114 --> 00:27:23,994
Speaker 2: to breathe, we panic, we feel guilty, we feel lazy,

580
00:27:24,114 --> 00:27:27,273
Speaker 2: we feel like we're panicking. I'm supposed to be constantly

581
00:27:27,274 --> 00:27:31,313
Speaker 2: in a state of hustle, of hustle, of stress, of

582
00:27:31,474 --> 00:27:33,353
Speaker 2: too many places to be, too many things to do,

583
00:27:33,394 --> 00:27:36,554
Speaker 2: and if I'm not in that state, I'm doing life wrong.

584
00:27:36,594 --> 00:27:39,313
Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely true that that became fetishized and

585
00:27:39,354 --> 00:27:41,474
Speaker 2: normalized to a point. And so if you do say

586
00:27:41,554 --> 00:27:43,754
Speaker 2: and people like how are you and you're like, I'm fine.

587
00:27:43,794 --> 00:27:46,434
Speaker 2: I spent the weekend, you know, I don't know, watching

588
00:27:46,474 --> 00:27:49,834
Speaker 2: TV in my garden baking a cake, people be like, oh,

589
00:27:49,874 --> 00:27:53,474
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be constantly optimizing. So I think that

590
00:27:53,554 --> 00:27:58,314
Speaker 2: if burnout feminism acknowledge is that everybody's nervous system isn't

591
00:27:58,314 --> 00:28:01,234
Speaker 2: created for that, not everybody's preferences aren't created for that,

592
00:28:01,234 --> 00:28:04,593
Speaker 2: then that's fine. But we are to your point, Emelia,

593
00:28:04,634 --> 00:28:06,874
Speaker 2: about the young women asking you that question, It's like

594
00:28:06,874 --> 00:28:10,793
Speaker 2: we're preloading them with this idea that you can't handle it.

595
00:28:11,354 --> 00:28:14,234
Speaker 2: You cannot handle the life that will come at you

596
00:28:14,274 --> 00:28:15,194
Speaker 2: if you want to work hard?

597
00:28:15,594 --> 00:28:15,754
Speaker 3: Is that?

598
00:28:16,434 --> 00:28:17,314
Speaker 1: Is that true? Though?

599
00:28:17,594 --> 00:28:18,594
Speaker 2: I don't think it's true.

600
00:28:18,714 --> 00:28:19,034
Speaker 1: Is it?

601
00:28:19,114 --> 00:28:20,474
Speaker 2: Men have breakdowns? Just you know?

602
00:28:21,154 --> 00:28:25,314
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder if the setup, though, was unsustainable. It's

603
00:28:25,314 --> 00:28:28,313
Speaker 5: like the one hundred and thirty hours a week is

604
00:28:28,314 --> 00:28:33,313
Speaker 5: completely unsustainable. And remember when Arianna Huffington discovered sleep and

605
00:28:33,394 --> 00:28:35,954
Speaker 5: she was like, everyone, there's this thing that you should

606
00:28:35,994 --> 00:28:37,874
Speaker 5: do for a few hours every night and it makes

607
00:28:37,914 --> 00:28:40,674
Speaker 5: you feel great. And it was like that was a

608
00:28:40,714 --> 00:28:44,554
Speaker 5: weird time, that was ripe for parody like that, there

609
00:28:44,594 --> 00:28:46,514
Speaker 5: was something kind of ridiculous about that. But then at

610
00:28:46,554 --> 00:28:50,634
Speaker 5: the same time to transition into this burnout feminism.

611
00:28:50,634 --> 00:28:53,754
Speaker 4: And I hate to kind of use this word.

612
00:28:53,554 --> 00:28:56,434
Speaker 5: All the time, but there is such an inherent privilege

613
00:28:56,434 --> 00:28:59,714
Speaker 5: in it, right, because not everyone gets to fall in

614
00:28:59,754 --> 00:29:02,314
Speaker 5: a heap, and not everyone gets to take a year

615
00:29:02,354 --> 00:29:05,074
Speaker 5: off because you're tired. I think about my Nan who

616
00:29:05,154 --> 00:29:07,394
Speaker 5: had she had seven kids. She had a husband who

617
00:29:07,434 --> 00:29:10,794
Speaker 5: was a war veteran and was in a wheelchair, and

618
00:29:11,154 --> 00:29:13,434
Speaker 5: she looked after the kids, and then she went overnight

619
00:29:13,674 --> 00:29:15,594
Speaker 5: and cleaned offices.

620
00:29:15,794 --> 00:29:17,194
Speaker 4: Right, she had to do that.

621
00:29:17,514 --> 00:29:21,714
Speaker 5: If you told that woman that having a hobby and

622
00:29:21,754 --> 00:29:25,314
Speaker 5: getting a good night sleep and work life balance was important,

623
00:29:25,314 --> 00:29:28,074
Speaker 5: she would have spat in your face because that was

624
00:29:28,114 --> 00:29:29,394
Speaker 5: not something that was possible.

625
00:29:29,434 --> 00:29:32,194
Speaker 2: But equally, why are we telling women, and I know

626
00:29:32,274 --> 00:29:35,594
Speaker 2: this is my particular favorite soapbox, that if you have

627
00:29:35,794 --> 00:29:38,154
Speaker 2: a job that fulfills you, you will also do all

628
00:29:38,154 --> 00:29:39,794
Speaker 2: the load at home and you just have to deal

629
00:29:39,834 --> 00:29:42,394
Speaker 2: with it. That isn't actually true. You could actually set

630
00:29:42,434 --> 00:29:45,194
Speaker 2: up a much more equal partnership if you're in whatever

631
00:29:45,274 --> 00:29:47,874
Speaker 2: kind of relationship you're in, if you're in one same

632
00:29:47,954 --> 00:29:51,314
Speaker 2: sex or straight relationship where you're not doing everything, it's

633
00:29:51,354 --> 00:29:53,634
Speaker 2: just like we almost accept that as well. That's the diffault.

634
00:29:53,714 --> 00:29:56,394
Speaker 2: So we're telling girls from the beginning, you'll be set

635
00:29:56,434 --> 00:29:58,314
Speaker 2: up to fail because you'll have to do all the

636
00:29:58,314 --> 00:30:00,394
Speaker 2: work at home, You'll have to do all the work

637
00:30:00,394 --> 00:30:03,594
Speaker 2: at work. You'll burnen yourself out. And I think there

638
00:30:03,634 --> 00:30:05,874
Speaker 2: are other options. I saw a mug I really wanted

639
00:30:05,874 --> 00:30:07,474
Speaker 2: to buy on the Internet the other day that said

640
00:30:07,794 --> 00:30:09,874
Speaker 2: earn your own money, marry someone funny.

641
00:30:11,154 --> 00:30:12,754
Speaker 4: Yes, I like that a lot.

642
00:30:13,154 --> 00:30:15,954
Speaker 3: After the break the Australian reporter who went viral for

643
00:30:16,074 --> 00:30:18,714
Speaker 3: being drunk on air, it turns out there's something we

644
00:30:18,754 --> 00:30:28,714
Speaker 3: all missed in this story. So we all think we

645
00:30:28,834 --> 00:30:32,074
Speaker 3: know what happened last week when Channel nine reporter Danika

646
00:30:32,074 --> 00:30:35,794
Speaker 3: Mason appeared drunk on air in a live cross to

647
00:30:35,874 --> 00:30:37,074
Speaker 3: the Today Show from Milan.

648
00:30:37,234 --> 00:30:39,314
Speaker 1: We've seen the clip. Everyone in the whole world saw

649
00:30:39,314 --> 00:30:39,714
Speaker 1: the clip.

650
00:30:40,154 --> 00:30:44,274
Speaker 3: Even Anthony Albanezi wait in he described himself as pro Danika.

651
00:30:44,834 --> 00:30:47,634
Speaker 3: The general vibe online and around the world seemed to

652
00:30:47,634 --> 00:30:50,554
Speaker 3: be onya. People thought it was funny. She gave a

653
00:30:50,674 --> 00:30:55,234
Speaker 3: very fulsome and gracious apology afterwards. But when I started

654
00:30:55,234 --> 00:30:58,874
Speaker 3: looking into it today, I realized that it's like so

655
00:30:59,034 --> 00:31:02,274
Speaker 3: many Internet stories. You think you know what happened from

656
00:31:02,354 --> 00:31:03,834
Speaker 3: the TikTok that you saw.

657
00:31:04,034 --> 00:31:07,154
Speaker 1: But actually the real story of what happened is so

658
00:31:07,274 --> 00:31:08,914
Speaker 1: much more interesting and it.

659
00:31:08,874 --> 00:31:13,394
Speaker 3: Really sheds light on how internet stories get created.

660
00:31:13,474 --> 00:31:16,314
Speaker 1: Let me explain. Okay, here's what I pitched.

661
00:31:16,234 --> 00:31:19,834
Speaker 3: It happened before she went on air drunk last Wednesday.

662
00:31:20,474 --> 00:31:23,594
Speaker 3: I think that she went out to a pub in Milan,

663
00:31:23,914 --> 00:31:25,914
Speaker 3: or she had a lot of negronies while she was

664
00:31:25,954 --> 00:31:28,514
Speaker 3: having great fun all evening and then all of a sudden,

665
00:31:28,554 --> 00:31:30,514
Speaker 3: remember she had to be on air, was pulled back

666
00:31:30,514 --> 00:31:32,514
Speaker 3: in front of the camera and was drunk. And that's

667
00:31:32,634 --> 00:31:35,634
Speaker 3: very irresponsible, right, because who would do that. Well, what

668
00:31:35,674 --> 00:31:39,314
Speaker 3: I didn't realize is that was her sixth appearance on

669
00:31:39,514 --> 00:31:40,554
Speaker 3: air that evening.

670
00:31:40,674 --> 00:31:41,914
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say that was her

671
00:31:41,954 --> 00:31:44,634
Speaker 2: sixth LAGRONI oh, it probably was that too.

672
00:31:44,834 --> 00:31:46,074
Speaker 4: That needs a lot of negroments.

673
00:31:46,114 --> 00:31:47,794
Speaker 2: Actually, she had been working.

674
00:31:48,074 --> 00:31:53,194
Speaker 3: She had been working all night in minus six degree temperatures,

675
00:31:53,594 --> 00:31:56,834
Speaker 3: so she had been doing these crosses to morning TV

676
00:31:56,914 --> 00:32:00,194
Speaker 3: in Australia, but it was evening in Milan, and basically

677
00:32:00,234 --> 00:32:03,074
Speaker 3: the first one she's absolutely fine, the second one she's

678
00:32:03,114 --> 00:32:05,634
Speaker 3: absolutely fine. Again, it's very cold out there. She's had

679
00:32:05,634 --> 00:32:08,834
Speaker 3: a very busy day at work. Third appearance starting to

680
00:32:08,954 --> 00:32:12,794
Speaker 3: appear a little looser. Fourth appearance starts to slur her words.

681
00:32:12,874 --> 00:32:14,034
Speaker 1: Oh my fifth.

682
00:32:13,874 --> 00:32:16,554
Speaker 3: Appearance gets worse, and then there's the sixth appearance. And

683
00:32:16,594 --> 00:32:18,314
Speaker 3: by the way, she was going to be on for

684
00:32:18,394 --> 00:32:21,554
Speaker 3: a seventh appearance, it's speculated, but they pulled her from that.

685
00:32:21,594 --> 00:32:24,194
Speaker 2: I think she's been hustling too hard. She needs to

686
00:32:24,194 --> 00:32:25,034
Speaker 2: get into the burn out.

687
00:32:26,274 --> 00:32:28,834
Speaker 3: So let's have a listen to the particular clip which

688
00:32:28,834 --> 00:32:30,754
Speaker 3: went viral, because I'm going to tell you some more

689
00:32:30,754 --> 00:32:32,554
Speaker 3: context about that that's going to change how you think

690
00:32:32,554 --> 00:32:32,954
Speaker 3: about it.

691
00:32:34,074 --> 00:32:37,194
Speaker 1: Like the price of coffee over here is actually fine.

692
00:32:37,714 --> 00:32:40,314
Speaker 1: It's more the price of coffee in the US that

693
00:32:40,394 --> 00:32:42,754
Speaker 1: we are going to have to get used to. I'm

694
00:32:42,754 --> 00:32:44,714
Speaker 1: not sure that the IAS.

695
00:32:44,834 --> 00:32:47,754
Speaker 3: I don't watch morning TV, and I came across this

696
00:32:47,874 --> 00:32:50,754
Speaker 3: exact clip and I thought, oh no, why is she

697
00:32:50,794 --> 00:32:52,634
Speaker 3: talking about the price of coffee in the US.

698
00:32:52,834 --> 00:32:57,074
Speaker 1: Why is she talking about iguanas? And the reason is

699
00:32:57,274 --> 00:32:58,234
Speaker 1: very sensible.

700
00:32:58,394 --> 00:33:02,154
Speaker 3: In her previous five or six appearances on The Today Show,

701
00:33:02,234 --> 00:33:04,914
Speaker 3: Karl Stefanovic had been talking to her about the fact

702
00:33:04,914 --> 00:33:06,794
Speaker 3: that she's soon about to go to Vegas for the

703
00:33:06,794 --> 00:33:10,794
Speaker 3: Annil's Games there, so she was referring back to their

704
00:33:10,834 --> 00:33:14,754
Speaker 3: previous five conversations about her upcoming US trip, and then

705
00:33:14,834 --> 00:33:17,514
Speaker 3: the iguana bit, which I think everyone around the world

706
00:33:17,594 --> 00:33:19,834
Speaker 3: just thought was so surreal and off the wall, is

707
00:33:19,834 --> 00:33:23,954
Speaker 3: because literally throwing to her, Carl compares her to an iguana,

708
00:33:24,074 --> 00:33:26,274
Speaker 3: which by the way, makes no sense. He was by

709
00:33:26,274 --> 00:33:28,994
Speaker 3: all accounts sober, but in his throwing to her on air,

710
00:33:29,074 --> 00:33:31,834
Speaker 3: he compares her to an iguana, and she's live in

711
00:33:31,874 --> 00:33:36,034
Speaker 3: really hot She's naturally very confused by the comparison.

712
00:33:36,594 --> 00:33:39,194
Speaker 1: So it was just a reminder that nothing on the

713
00:33:39,194 --> 00:33:40,594
Speaker 1: internet is as it seems.

714
00:33:40,754 --> 00:33:44,034
Speaker 5: No, And I think as well when she made her apology,

715
00:33:44,034 --> 00:33:46,074
Speaker 5: which I thought was incredibly can I.

716
00:33:46,074 --> 00:33:48,314
Speaker 2: Just say just two sets back, did she say in

717
00:33:48,314 --> 00:33:50,034
Speaker 2: her apology that she had been drinking?

718
00:33:50,074 --> 00:33:52,554
Speaker 1: Yes, wasn't drunk.

719
00:33:52,874 --> 00:33:54,914
Speaker 5: And I think that's part of the good will, is

720
00:33:54,954 --> 00:33:58,794
Speaker 5: that she didn't try and make it like about anything else.

721
00:33:58,834 --> 00:34:00,434
Speaker 4: She went, yeah, I had a drink.

722
00:34:00,194 --> 00:34:03,794
Speaker 3: And Carl tried like when he first when this happened,

723
00:34:03,994 --> 00:34:07,754
Speaker 3: his immediate reaction was to say, oh, it's very hold there.

724
00:34:07,874 --> 00:34:10,634
Speaker 3: And when I was reporting from Washington, DC, my mouth

725
00:34:10,674 --> 00:34:13,194
Speaker 3: didn't move properly because it was too cold. Carl, of course,

726
00:34:13,234 --> 00:34:15,154
Speaker 3: has been drunk on their himself, and it was arguably

727
00:34:15,154 --> 00:34:15,953
Speaker 3: the main him.

728
00:34:16,034 --> 00:34:17,873
Speaker 5: If anyone is going to interview you drunk, you want

729
00:34:17,874 --> 00:34:19,274
Speaker 5: it to be Carl because he's going to try and

730
00:34:19,314 --> 00:34:19,873
Speaker 5: cover for you.

731
00:34:20,034 --> 00:34:21,354
Speaker 4: That was Krlay's best.

732
00:34:21,954 --> 00:34:25,274
Speaker 5: But she said altitude, She said I had a drink,

733
00:34:25,314 --> 00:34:28,674
Speaker 5: on nepty's stomach. I mean throw in sleep deprivation if

734
00:34:28,674 --> 00:34:31,554
Speaker 5: she's doing these night crosses. And I can't imagine the

735
00:34:31,594 --> 00:34:34,314
Speaker 5: kind of hours that she's doing. We all know the

736
00:34:34,354 --> 00:34:36,473
Speaker 5: experience of having one or two drinks and it hits

737
00:34:36,474 --> 00:34:40,314
Speaker 5: you harder because of a myriad of factors. But what

738
00:34:40,394 --> 00:34:43,433
Speaker 5: I have found so interesting about this story is that

739
00:34:43,554 --> 00:34:46,554
Speaker 5: it seems to be the one thing that the Internet

740
00:34:46,594 --> 00:34:49,393
Speaker 5: can agree on, which is like, all power to.

741
00:34:49,594 --> 00:34:52,514
Speaker 2: Isn't that nice? And it's nice for it is a

742
00:34:52,554 --> 00:34:55,834
Speaker 2: surprise because I thought the Internet would be outraged. No

743
00:34:55,874 --> 00:34:58,514
Speaker 2: one is out right, lady at work, it's happening, and

744
00:34:58,634 --> 00:35:00,474
Speaker 2: you can't trust the ladies with the alcohol.

745
00:35:00,554 --> 00:35:03,434
Speaker 5: Everyone's like, oh well, we can't get drunk on television anymore.

746
00:35:04,234 --> 00:35:05,314
Speaker 4: I really like it.

747
00:35:05,554 --> 00:35:07,634
Speaker 2: There are probably some whales as who are like, we

748
00:35:07,674 --> 00:35:10,834
Speaker 2: shouldn't be celebrating the drunk lady. Because what I wondered

749
00:35:10,874 --> 00:35:13,274
Speaker 2: when I first saw it was I wonder what this

750
00:35:13,394 --> 00:35:17,114
Speaker 2: does to your career ongoing, like as in it's good lolls,

751
00:35:17,834 --> 00:35:20,514
Speaker 2: but will she always be known for this? And I

752
00:35:20,554 --> 00:35:23,234
Speaker 2: bet that she is probably beating herself up about that

753
00:35:23,314 --> 00:35:25,754
Speaker 2: a little bit. But also I didn't know who she

754
00:35:25,914 --> 00:35:27,674
Speaker 2: was before this story came out. And now I'm really

755
00:35:27,714 --> 00:35:29,954
Speaker 2: impressed with her because I know she had seven crosses

756
00:35:30,874 --> 00:35:31,634
Speaker 2: too outpointed.

757
00:35:31,834 --> 00:35:35,433
Speaker 5: People who have been watching religiously have said she's a

758
00:35:35,474 --> 00:35:37,513
Speaker 5: brilliant reporter. So I think a lot of the good

759
00:35:37,514 --> 00:35:39,993
Speaker 5: will has come from the fact she's actually really good

760
00:35:39,994 --> 00:35:42,393
Speaker 5: at her job. She's been great at her job for

761
00:35:42,434 --> 00:35:47,114
Speaker 5: this entire period. She had this one moment that she's gone, oh,

762
00:35:47,194 --> 00:35:48,473
Speaker 5: I'm mortified, I'm actually really.

763
00:35:48,514 --> 00:35:50,834
Speaker 3: Bad and that job is so much more demanding than

764
00:35:50,874 --> 00:35:54,674
Speaker 3: I realized. I mean, seven or eight crosses in one evening,

765
00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:56,274
Speaker 3: when I'm sure she does have to wake up very

766
00:35:56,314 --> 00:35:58,314
Speaker 3: early the next morning to cover that. I just had

767
00:35:58,394 --> 00:35:59,913
Speaker 3: no idea that morning TV was that.

768
00:35:59,874 --> 00:36:03,594
Speaker 5: Brutal Can I ask you a question earlier because I

769
00:36:03,634 --> 00:36:07,234
Speaker 5: wondered if this was a uniquely Australian cultural thing that

770
00:36:07,394 --> 00:36:10,114
Speaker 5: was like we kind of loved when Karl was drunk

771
00:36:10,154 --> 00:36:10,433
Speaker 5: on air.

772
00:36:10,954 --> 00:36:12,634
Speaker 2: We do talk about it a lot, we do talk

773
00:36:12,674 --> 00:36:13,674
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago it.

774
00:36:13,754 --> 00:36:16,554
Speaker 1: Was, but arguably it was his making, right, It's.

775
00:36:16,474 --> 00:36:19,274
Speaker 5: Kind of his making because it was like Alarican Australia's

776
00:36:19,314 --> 00:36:21,993
Speaker 5: the authenticity. It's like seeing your friend have a few

777
00:36:21,994 --> 00:36:24,913
Speaker 5: too many at a party or whatever. How would this

778
00:36:24,954 --> 00:36:28,074
Speaker 5: go down in the States. I'm wondering about the cultural difference.

779
00:36:28,154 --> 00:36:31,074
Speaker 5: If this was a US reporter, do you think that

780
00:36:31,594 --> 00:36:34,954
Speaker 5: viewers would be as accepting and gracious or do you

781
00:36:34,994 --> 00:36:35,913
Speaker 5: think they'd be like I.

782
00:36:35,834 --> 00:36:38,354
Speaker 3: Think the reason why everyone in the world forgave her

783
00:36:38,514 --> 00:36:42,314
Speaker 3: is because it does tap into what people, rightly or wrongly,

784
00:36:42,394 --> 00:36:44,953
Speaker 3: for better or for worse, think of Australians, which is.

785
00:36:44,914 --> 00:36:46,794
Speaker 1: That they travel the world, they have.

786
00:36:46,794 --> 00:36:50,034
Speaker 3: A good time doing it, and they let loose and

787
00:36:50,074 --> 00:36:52,954
Speaker 3: that is a national stereotype that has been exported. So

788
00:36:53,034 --> 00:36:55,754
Speaker 3: when people saw that, they were relieved that Australians were

789
00:36:55,794 --> 00:36:56,553
Speaker 3: exactly as they.

790
00:36:56,434 --> 00:36:57,194
Speaker 1: Imagine them to be.

791
00:36:58,434 --> 00:36:59,394
Speaker 2: And they're not wrong.

792
00:36:59,794 --> 00:37:00,433
Speaker 1: They're not wrong.

793
00:37:00,514 --> 00:37:02,954
Speaker 2: Lemonchella, that's what she would have been drinking, right, Milan,

794
00:37:03,114 --> 00:37:04,074
Speaker 2: that would be surely.

795
00:37:04,234 --> 00:37:07,433
Speaker 5: And we've all had We've done live shows or I've

796
00:37:07,514 --> 00:37:11,554
Speaker 5: done live television where no, no, no, where people have

797
00:37:11,674 --> 00:37:13,873
Speaker 5: been offered a drink before and someone's had a beer

798
00:37:13,994 --> 00:37:16,274
Speaker 5: or a wine or whatever, and I've been like, that

799
00:37:16,514 --> 00:37:17,234
Speaker 5: is dangerous.

800
00:37:17,354 --> 00:37:19,234
Speaker 2: Oh Graham Norton show, they always have wine.

801
00:37:19,314 --> 00:37:21,194
Speaker 5: I'm like, I would not put it on my tongue

802
00:37:21,234 --> 00:37:23,674
Speaker 5: because I just know I would forget.

803
00:37:23,674 --> 00:37:26,274
Speaker 2: I was on antibiotics or something.

804
00:37:25,954 --> 00:37:28,354
Speaker 5: And then it would react and then I do something

805
00:37:28,354 --> 00:37:29,954
Speaker 5: really weird.

806
00:37:30,914 --> 00:37:33,594
Speaker 3: Bar soap is dying, and I, for one, I'm not

807
00:37:33,594 --> 00:37:35,393
Speaker 3: happy about it. First of all, I need to know,

808
00:37:35,554 --> 00:37:37,913
Speaker 3: are you a bar soap or a liquid soap user?

809
00:37:37,994 --> 00:37:39,593
Speaker 4: Jesse, I love me a bar soap.

810
00:37:39,874 --> 00:37:41,554
Speaker 1: Oh good, Okay, I do, Polly.

811
00:37:42,034 --> 00:37:44,754
Speaker 2: I have very strong opinions about the divide bar soap

812
00:37:44,834 --> 00:37:46,234
Speaker 2: for shower, hand soap for sink.

813
00:37:46,674 --> 00:37:48,593
Speaker 1: Oh interesting. I want to hear more about that well.

814
00:37:48,754 --> 00:37:51,474
Speaker 3: Over the coming decade, bar soap is projected to become

815
00:37:51,714 --> 00:37:53,034
Speaker 3: near extinct, which.

816
00:37:52,874 --> 00:37:54,194
Speaker 1: I feel very sad about.

817
00:37:54,594 --> 00:37:57,714
Speaker 3: Body wash has come to dominate the personal hygiene market,

818
00:37:57,754 --> 00:38:00,714
Speaker 3: and this is in part because bar soap uses skew

819
00:38:00,874 --> 00:38:05,194
Speaker 3: Old people over fifty five love some bar soap, whereas

820
00:38:05,274 --> 00:38:07,114
Speaker 3: eighteen to thirty four year olds think.

821
00:38:06,954 --> 00:38:10,154
Speaker 1: That it's dirty and which it's not, which it's not.

822
00:38:10,634 --> 00:38:13,473
Speaker 3: I need to play you a grab that I think

823
00:38:13,594 --> 00:38:16,234
Speaker 3: is to blame for why young people think that soap

824
00:38:16,314 --> 00:38:18,754
Speaker 3: is dirty and awful. And it comes from a show

825
00:38:18,794 --> 00:38:21,473
Speaker 3: called Friends. You may have heard of it. And here

826
00:38:21,554 --> 00:38:25,714
Speaker 3: is Joey spreading lies about bar soap to Chandler.

827
00:38:26,034 --> 00:38:28,514
Speaker 7: Why can't we use the same toothbrush, but we can.

828
00:38:28,434 --> 00:38:29,914
Speaker 3: Use the same soap.

829
00:38:30,154 --> 00:38:33,274
Speaker 8: Because soap is soap, it's self cleaning.

830
00:38:34,914 --> 00:38:36,993
Speaker 5: All right, Well, next time you take a shower, think

831
00:38:36,994 --> 00:38:39,354
Speaker 5: about the last thing I wash, and the first thing

832
00:38:39,434 --> 00:38:40,034
Speaker 5: you wash.

833
00:38:41,194 --> 00:38:43,834
Speaker 1: Soap is soap. Chandler is exactly right.

834
00:38:43,914 --> 00:38:46,194
Speaker 3: Some scientists with too much time on their hands put

835
00:38:46,234 --> 00:38:49,554
Speaker 3: some e coli, some actual e coli, on soap to

836
00:38:49,594 --> 00:38:52,074
Speaker 3: see whether it would get contaminated when people used it

837
00:38:52,114 --> 00:38:52,553
Speaker 3: on their hands.

838
00:38:52,554 --> 00:38:55,393
Speaker 1: Guess what, it didn't. Because soap is soap.

839
00:38:55,194 --> 00:38:57,114
Speaker 4: It is self cleaning. It can't grow.

840
00:38:57,154 --> 00:38:59,514
Speaker 1: It's like vaginas and ovens. It's self cleaning.

841
00:38:59,674 --> 00:39:02,394
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly right. Isn't it funny?

842
00:39:02,394 --> 00:39:02,554
Speaker 6: Though?

843
00:39:02,594 --> 00:39:06,314
Speaker 5: Because I kind of agree with Holly. There in the shower.

844
00:39:07,514 --> 00:39:08,314
Speaker 1: A bar of soap.

845
00:39:08,594 --> 00:39:12,873
Speaker 5: That is, because I have a sense that it's the

846
00:39:12,914 --> 00:39:14,554
Speaker 5: most efficient way to get clean. Yeah.

847
00:39:14,634 --> 00:39:17,314
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't use the bar of soap on

848
00:39:17,354 --> 00:39:19,114
Speaker 2: my body. I lather it up in my hands to

849
00:39:19,154 --> 00:39:21,393
Speaker 2: get a really good lather going. And it's such an

850
00:39:21,434 --> 00:39:24,674
Speaker 2: elegant des like it literally disappears when it's finished. Yes,

851
00:39:24,994 --> 00:39:27,074
Speaker 2: be better. But when you're washing your hands, which you

852
00:39:27,114 --> 00:39:30,074
Speaker 2: do more often generally speaking, at the sink was I

853
00:39:30,114 --> 00:39:32,913
Speaker 2: don't want to be always reaching and it always goes

854
00:39:32,914 --> 00:39:34,154
Speaker 2: a bit smaggy on the side of.

855
00:39:34,154 --> 00:39:35,634
Speaker 1: The thing it does make.

856
00:39:35,794 --> 00:39:38,514
Speaker 5: But then I was reading that if you have even

857
00:39:38,554 --> 00:39:42,433
Speaker 5: like your fancy soap with your pump, apparently pump way

858
00:39:42,474 --> 00:39:46,194
Speaker 5: dirtier than yourself cleaning soap because you've got your germs.

859
00:39:45,834 --> 00:39:52,154
Speaker 3: On that don't tell all the people with very sop soapsp.

860
00:39:50,154 --> 00:39:52,194
Speaker 2: Bottle with some gamart soap inside.

861
00:39:53,434 --> 00:39:56,674
Speaker 5: But even like environmentally, the idea that we've all gone

862
00:39:56,794 --> 00:39:59,994
Speaker 5: to these kind of plastic tubs.

863
00:39:59,634 --> 00:40:02,474
Speaker 1: Petro chemicals slash, yes.

864
00:40:02,674 --> 00:40:04,354
Speaker 4: We just except now are in the shower.

865
00:40:04,874 --> 00:40:06,794
Speaker 5: This article that we read about it, which for some

866
00:40:06,874 --> 00:40:08,474
Speaker 5: reason and was ten thousand words.

867
00:40:08,274 --> 00:40:12,873
Speaker 2: I was like, this is the longest dissertation on bar

868
00:40:13,074 --> 00:40:14,154
Speaker 2: so It went into.

869
00:40:13,914 --> 00:40:16,114
Speaker 5: The history of bar soap, and I was like, look,

870
00:40:16,154 --> 00:40:17,194
Speaker 5: I just have a feeling about it.

871
00:40:17,194 --> 00:40:18,794
Speaker 1: I don't need the history. It was in sleeate if

872
00:40:18,834 --> 00:40:19,913
Speaker 1: anyone wants to read it.

873
00:40:19,994 --> 00:40:22,674
Speaker 5: But it was saying even at hotels they don't have

874
00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:23,714
Speaker 5: it anymore.

875
00:40:23,794 --> 00:40:25,554
Speaker 4: A lot of places just have it on the wall.

876
00:40:25,634 --> 00:40:28,714
Speaker 3: Now hotels are apparently building in that kind of bolted

877
00:40:28,794 --> 00:40:29,394
Speaker 3: on soap.

878
00:40:29,434 --> 00:40:30,994
Speaker 1: That makes me feel like I'm in a prison.

879
00:40:31,554 --> 00:40:33,194
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you don't know how it smells to you.

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00:40:33,234 --> 00:40:33,634
Speaker 1: Pump it?

881
00:40:33,834 --> 00:40:36,154
Speaker 4: No, I like with a I can smell it before

882
00:40:36,154 --> 00:40:36,473
Speaker 4: I run.

883
00:40:36,554 --> 00:40:39,433
Speaker 2: Okay, but here's the obvious, the obvious pushback to soap

884
00:40:39,434 --> 00:40:41,474
Speaker 2: in the shower right now, if you live with someone

885
00:40:41,474 --> 00:40:44,873
Speaker 2: grubby or people who are grubby, it's the hair that

886
00:40:45,074 --> 00:40:47,553
Speaker 2: is the thing that people get upset about. And there

887
00:40:47,554 --> 00:40:49,634
Speaker 2: are people in the world, and I believe that most

888
00:40:49,634 --> 00:40:52,154
Speaker 2: of them possibly called men. I don't want a stereotype

889
00:40:52,234 --> 00:40:54,594
Speaker 2: who might well use the bar on their body, who

890
00:40:54,634 --> 00:40:57,714
Speaker 2: get air or dirt in it, and then it feels icky, right,

891
00:40:58,114 --> 00:41:00,914
Speaker 2: And if you're living with people you're not that intimate

892
00:41:00,954 --> 00:41:04,873
Speaker 2: with to Joey's point, it does feel a bit like

893
00:41:04,914 --> 00:41:06,634
Speaker 2: sharing a toothbrush, even though it isn't.

894
00:41:07,154 --> 00:41:10,473
Speaker 5: That is why the secret is that you need your

895
00:41:10,474 --> 00:41:12,594
Speaker 5: own bar of soap, even though it's not.

896
00:41:12,594 --> 00:41:13,473
Speaker 2: With your name on it.

897
00:41:13,554 --> 00:41:17,834
Speaker 5: Well, we have always used separate soap because I agree

898
00:41:17,874 --> 00:41:18,194
Speaker 5: that the.

899
00:41:19,674 --> 00:41:21,434
Speaker 4: Separate soap like a bar.

900
00:41:21,674 --> 00:41:24,274
Speaker 3: Two separate bar soaps, or are you in a bar

901
00:41:24,394 --> 00:41:25,834
Speaker 3: soap liquid soapole?

902
00:41:25,914 --> 00:41:28,433
Speaker 5: We are in two separate bars. And when we buy it,

903
00:41:28,434 --> 00:41:30,433
Speaker 5: it's like, here's your bar of soap, and this is

904
00:41:32,634 --> 00:41:36,513
Speaker 5: it's not it just isn't covered in hair, so it's

905
00:41:36,594 --> 00:41:40,034
Speaker 5: like mine will sit somewhere different. I know that that's mine,

906
00:41:40,554 --> 00:41:42,034
Speaker 5: but I don't want to pick up like the little

907
00:41:42,074 --> 00:41:43,993
Speaker 5: slither with like just.

908
00:41:44,114 --> 00:41:45,434
Speaker 4: A little round hairs on it.

909
00:41:46,274 --> 00:41:49,834
Speaker 2: That there's that guy like he will open the toothpaste tube.

910
00:41:51,314 --> 00:41:54,154
Speaker 4: Mate, you can afford you.

911
00:41:55,034 --> 00:41:58,234
Speaker 2: I do appreciate the free galley. It never goes astray.

912
00:41:58,274 --> 00:42:01,394
Speaker 8: But things aren't actually that bad, and so I'm often

913
00:42:01,434 --> 00:42:06,594
Speaker 8: going into the bathroom the tastes they got everywhere. The

914
00:42:06,714 --> 00:42:09,594
Speaker 8: kids are like, why does that do that?

915
00:42:14,234 --> 00:42:16,114
Speaker 2: I believe that is all we have time for on

916
00:42:16,114 --> 00:42:18,634
Speaker 2: this Monday's when we are out loud on the number

917
00:42:18,634 --> 00:42:19,953
Speaker 2: one podcast in the nation.

918
00:42:21,794 --> 00:42:22,274
Speaker 1: Do you think.

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00:42:22,154 --> 00:42:25,554
Speaker 3: Hamish is a sparal liquid so so true?

920
00:42:25,834 --> 00:42:27,634
Speaker 1: I mean he's always in his house, so they've got

921
00:42:27,634 --> 00:42:28,754
Speaker 1: the fancy it's.

922
00:42:28,954 --> 00:42:30,953
Speaker 2: Nice bar soap. It smells great, right.

923
00:42:31,914 --> 00:42:34,954
Speaker 4: I think you can get like designer bars a state.

924
00:42:35,114 --> 00:42:38,714
Speaker 3: Do you know that brand fancy? It's Australian and California.

925
00:42:38,754 --> 00:42:41,314
Speaker 3: It's very fancy. And I went to his estate for

926
00:42:41,354 --> 00:42:44,513
Speaker 3: a story and he started his very fancy brand making

927
00:42:44,554 --> 00:42:47,834
Speaker 3: the most beautiful bar soaps from just herbs he'd gathered

928
00:42:47,834 --> 00:42:48,354
Speaker 3: in the garden.

929
00:42:48,874 --> 00:42:52,154
Speaker 5: That should be Maybe our treat for being number one

930
00:42:52,194 --> 00:42:56,274
Speaker 5: now is that maybe we don't need the home brand generic.

931
00:42:57,314 --> 00:43:00,554
Speaker 5: Maybe we should buy ourselves and really fancy bodies.

932
00:43:00,834 --> 00:43:03,434
Speaker 1: What about like a branded Muma. You're out loud soap?

933
00:43:03,554 --> 00:43:06,994
Speaker 2: Oh yes, bring it on, Haron.

934
00:43:07,274 --> 00:43:11,674
Speaker 4: That can be my maternity leave project. Yes, yes, yes,

935
00:43:11,794 --> 00:43:12,154
Speaker 4: I like that.

936
00:43:12,394 --> 00:43:13,674
Speaker 1: You needed a project.

937
00:43:14,514 --> 00:43:16,114
Speaker 2: We can call it don't want to get bored. We

938
00:43:16,154 --> 00:43:20,634
Speaker 2: can call it number one. So anyway, thank you out

939
00:43:20,674 --> 00:43:22,594
Speaker 2: louders for being here with us this Monday, and thank

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00:43:22,634 --> 00:43:24,194
Speaker 2: you to our amazing team for helping us put the

941
00:43:24,234 --> 00:43:26,393
Speaker 2: show together. As you've heard from me and She and

942
00:43:26,434 --> 00:43:28,354
Speaker 2: Amelia will be back in your ears tomorrow with a

943
00:43:28,434 --> 00:43:31,474
Speaker 2: very special subscriber episode. Jesse and I, we'll see you

944
00:43:31,474 --> 00:43:32,074
Speaker 2: on Wednesday.

945
00:43:32,314 --> 00:43:34,594
Speaker 1: Bye bye.

946
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Speaker 5: Mamma Mayer acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on

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Speaker 5: which we have recorded this podcast.