1 00:00:05,646 --> 00:00:11,485 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom with Me podcast. Hi, it's 2 00:00:11,486 --> 00:00:14,726 Speaker 1: Cassenne Lukage here, host of Diary of a Birth, and 3 00:00:14,806 --> 00:00:18,166 Speaker 1: this summer we've curated your delivery room playlist to bring 4 00:00:18,206 --> 00:00:21,846 Speaker 1: you even more unmissable birth stories. This summer, we're bringing 5 00:00:21,886 --> 00:00:24,726 Speaker 1: you our favorite episodes of Diary of a Birth right 6 00:00:24,806 --> 00:00:28,446 Speaker 1: here in your feet. That's your holiday listening sorded And 7 00:00:28,526 --> 00:00:31,006 Speaker 1: if you're looking for more to listen to, Every Mum 8 00:00:31,046 --> 00:00:34,566 Speaker 1: and mea podcast is curating your summer listening right across 9 00:00:34,606 --> 00:00:38,565 Speaker 1: our network. From pop culture to beauty to powerful interviews, 10 00:00:38,726 --> 00:00:41,126 Speaker 1: there's something for everyone. Check out the link in the 11 00:00:41,126 --> 00:00:48,885 Speaker 1: show notes. Hi, I'm CASSENNEA Lukicic and this is Diary 12 00:00:49,006 --> 00:00:52,645 Speaker 1: of a Birth. Giving birth is a team sport. We 13 00:00:52,726 --> 00:00:56,406 Speaker 1: need a support system, people to bring water, snacks, check 14 00:00:56,446 --> 00:01:00,206 Speaker 1: on bub and of course the dedicated punching bag. But 15 00:01:00,406 --> 00:01:05,126 Speaker 1: imagine giving birth alone in the shower. Today's mum faced 16 00:01:05,166 --> 00:01:09,886 Speaker 1: this exact scenario. Fortunately, she's one of the most relaxed 17 00:01:09,886 --> 00:01:13,446 Speaker 1: women I've ever spoken to, and she tackled this ordeal 18 00:01:13,966 --> 00:01:16,606 Speaker 1: with an amount of chill I will never possess. 19 00:01:20,006 --> 00:01:23,526 Speaker 2: And Georgia Retails. Is quite funny that I just looked 20 00:01:23,606 --> 00:01:25,646 Speaker 2: up at her and was like, oh, do you to 21 00:01:25,886 --> 00:01:27,166 Speaker 2: like call an ambulance? 22 00:01:28,406 --> 00:01:30,246 Speaker 1: So let's meet today's mum. 23 00:01:30,766 --> 00:01:33,406 Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Kate and this is the diary of my 24 00:01:33,486 --> 00:01:34,366 Speaker 2: birth with Jesse. 25 00:01:38,086 --> 00:01:42,046 Speaker 1: So Jesse was your second birth, Yes, okay, so tell 26 00:01:42,086 --> 00:01:45,366 Speaker 1: me about what life was like before you fell pregnant 27 00:01:45,406 --> 00:01:45,806 Speaker 1: with Jesse. 28 00:01:46,526 --> 00:01:50,606 Speaker 2: So I had a three year old daughter and working 29 00:01:50,606 --> 00:01:56,486 Speaker 2: full time in Melbourne. My daughter's birth was relatively straightforward 30 00:01:56,486 --> 00:02:01,086 Speaker 2: as well. My waters broke, but I didn't go into labor, 31 00:02:01,166 --> 00:02:03,806 Speaker 2: so I did take myself off to hospital on the tram. 32 00:02:05,046 --> 00:02:07,446 Speaker 2: They monitored me for about a day or so, but 33 00:02:07,486 --> 00:02:11,126 Speaker 2: then ended up inducing me because I didn't go into 34 00:02:11,446 --> 00:02:15,805 Speaker 2: labor on my own, so had whatever the induction medication 35 00:02:16,286 --> 00:02:19,125 Speaker 2: is to make that happen. And so her birth. 36 00:02:19,046 --> 00:02:22,566 Speaker 3: Was pretty straightforward all over in about three hours, so 37 00:02:23,046 --> 00:02:28,645 Speaker 3: fairly quick as well, and everything was fine there and yeah, 38 00:02:28,766 --> 00:02:31,365 Speaker 3: got through the newborn phase and I thought I'm never 39 00:02:31,405 --> 00:02:32,006 Speaker 3: doing this again. 40 00:02:32,085 --> 00:02:34,126 Speaker 2: That was crazy. But then when she was about one, 41 00:02:34,365 --> 00:02:36,726 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, it'd be really nice to have 42 00:02:36,766 --> 00:02:44,486 Speaker 2: another baby. Yeah. Felt pregnant with Jesse. Both pregnancies relatively straightforward. 43 00:02:44,525 --> 00:02:48,245 Speaker 2: I felt really good, felt very lucky about that wasn't 44 00:02:48,286 --> 00:02:52,326 Speaker 2: sick at all, no complications. The only thing with Jesse 45 00:02:52,726 --> 00:02:55,365 Speaker 2: was that I didn't feel him moving all that much. 46 00:02:56,125 --> 00:02:59,686 Speaker 2: So I think about three times throughout that pregnancy I 47 00:02:59,685 --> 00:03:02,645 Speaker 2: did take myself off to hospital just being paranoid and 48 00:03:02,886 --> 00:03:06,525 Speaker 2: asking them to check everything was okay. They're always very 49 00:03:07,006 --> 00:03:10,406 Speaker 2: accommodating and amazing and would chuck a monitor on and 50 00:03:10,525 --> 00:03:13,206 Speaker 2: he's fine, don't worry. And so I think he was 51 00:03:13,245 --> 00:03:14,246 Speaker 2: just not that active. 52 00:03:15,046 --> 00:03:16,925 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, is there any particular 53 00:03:16,965 --> 00:03:20,246 Speaker 1: reason that they thought that he wasn't moving very much? 54 00:03:20,965 --> 00:03:23,925 Speaker 2: No, no reason. I don't know if I maybe it 55 00:03:24,046 --> 00:03:27,206 Speaker 2: was just busier too, with a working full time and 56 00:03:27,245 --> 00:03:30,525 Speaker 2: with a toddler, so wasn't as focused as you are 57 00:03:30,566 --> 00:03:33,645 Speaker 2: with the first child, where you'd like, notice everything and 58 00:03:33,685 --> 00:03:36,446 Speaker 2: you're really on top of Oh, they're the size of 59 00:03:36,486 --> 00:03:39,526 Speaker 2: a blueberry today, and they're the size of an apple today, 60 00:03:39,566 --> 00:03:41,606 Speaker 2: whereas the second one you're like, I don't even know 61 00:03:41,606 --> 00:03:43,725 Speaker 2: how many weeks pregnant, too busy. 62 00:03:43,886 --> 00:03:46,846 Speaker 1: The exhaustion of being pregnant with a toddler is I 63 00:03:46,926 --> 00:03:50,326 Speaker 1: think worse than being pregnant but having a newborn totally. 64 00:03:51,406 --> 00:03:54,566 Speaker 1: Did you have any kind of birth plan going into 65 00:03:54,686 --> 00:03:57,726 Speaker 1: it with Jesse, like, did you know how you wanted 66 00:03:57,766 --> 00:03:58,726 Speaker 1: your birth to look? 67 00:03:59,406 --> 00:04:02,926 Speaker 2: Yeah, So with Henny, I wrote out a birth plan. 68 00:04:03,246 --> 00:04:06,246 Speaker 2: I wanted to be dark and everyone to just speak 69 00:04:06,286 --> 00:04:09,725 Speaker 2: to me really nicely. He's the music, all that stuff. 70 00:04:09,766 --> 00:04:12,606 Speaker 2: And then because her birth was kind of like I 71 00:04:12,686 --> 00:04:15,206 Speaker 2: ended up being induced and you kind of just go 72 00:04:15,326 --> 00:04:18,126 Speaker 2: with the flow. I thought the birth plan thing for 73 00:04:18,206 --> 00:04:20,566 Speaker 2: the second child was a bit out the window because 74 00:04:20,566 --> 00:04:22,726 Speaker 2: I was like, it is what it's going to be, 75 00:04:22,765 --> 00:04:25,286 Speaker 2: and there's not really much control I can have over it. 76 00:04:25,325 --> 00:04:28,005 Speaker 2: But the plan was to have him in the hospital. 77 00:04:28,046 --> 00:04:30,246 Speaker 2: That's kind of where I felt safe to do it. 78 00:04:30,406 --> 00:04:32,966 Speaker 2: My partner was going to be there, my best friend 79 00:04:33,046 --> 00:04:37,166 Speaker 2: who's also a dueler was going to be there, and yeah, 80 00:04:37,206 --> 00:04:40,005 Speaker 2: my mum was going to stay home and look after Kenny, 81 00:04:40,126 --> 00:04:42,725 Speaker 2: my daughter. So yeah, that was the plan. 82 00:04:42,926 --> 00:04:46,046 Speaker 1: Did you end up having an epidural with your first birth? No, 83 00:04:46,526 --> 00:04:51,405 Speaker 1: you were induced and delivered unmedicated. Yes, yeah, how is 84 00:04:51,406 --> 00:04:55,166 Speaker 1: that because induction contractions are different to normal contractions, Because 85 00:04:55,166 --> 00:04:56,445 Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll be able to test to. 86 00:04:57,046 --> 00:05:00,806 Speaker 2: It was weirdly alright, like it was three hours and 87 00:05:01,366 --> 00:05:03,686 Speaker 2: it did hurt, but I don't know it wasn't too bad. 88 00:05:03,885 --> 00:05:05,486 Speaker 2: Like I don't know, the whole time I was pregnant, 89 00:05:05,486 --> 00:05:07,965 Speaker 2: and I just felt like it was horror story, horror story, pain, 90 00:05:08,046 --> 00:05:11,246 Speaker 2: pain pain. But there was one colleague of mine at 91 00:05:11,246 --> 00:05:14,085 Speaker 2: work who'd recently had a baby, and she said to me, 92 00:05:14,206 --> 00:05:17,005 Speaker 2: She's like, it's not that bad. And I kind of 93 00:05:17,046 --> 00:05:19,806 Speaker 2: just held onto that, and while I was having any 94 00:05:20,286 --> 00:05:22,565 Speaker 2: induced I was like, it's just not going to be 95 00:05:22,606 --> 00:05:26,205 Speaker 2: that bad. So they kept telling myself. And I'd also 96 00:05:26,846 --> 00:05:28,926 Speaker 2: had this sort of mantra that I said over and over, 97 00:05:29,005 --> 00:05:32,405 Speaker 2: which was labor pain is healthy pain, and so I 98 00:05:32,646 --> 00:05:34,246 Speaker 2: just kind of tried to focus on that. 99 00:05:34,606 --> 00:05:37,726 Speaker 1: I love that labor pain is healthy pain. Anything you 100 00:05:37,765 --> 00:05:42,046 Speaker 1: can do to just convince yourself that this is fine exactly. Yeah, 101 00:05:42,166 --> 00:05:46,046 Speaker 1: everything's cool. You get towards the end of your pregnancy, 102 00:05:46,366 --> 00:05:50,366 Speaker 1: are you feeling any braxton Hicks, any sort of niggles, pain, 103 00:05:50,686 --> 00:05:51,486 Speaker 1: anything like that. 104 00:05:51,926 --> 00:05:55,286 Speaker 2: No, not at all. I wasn't feeling him moving A 105 00:05:55,325 --> 00:05:58,085 Speaker 2: couple of times throughout the pregnancy, and at about thirty 106 00:05:58,086 --> 00:06:02,085 Speaker 2: eight or thirty nine weeks, I stopped feeling Jesse moving again, 107 00:06:02,486 --> 00:06:05,085 Speaker 2: and so I took myself off to hospital. I sort 108 00:06:05,086 --> 00:06:07,686 Speaker 2: of never told anyone because I just thought I was 109 00:06:07,686 --> 00:06:09,966 Speaker 2: being silly and whatever. So anyway, I took myself off 110 00:06:10,005 --> 00:06:12,325 Speaker 2: to the hospital and they put me on the monitor 111 00:06:12,325 --> 00:06:14,765 Speaker 2: straight away and everything was fine. But I think because 112 00:06:14,806 --> 00:06:18,246 Speaker 2: I was approaching full term or for whatever reason, I 113 00:06:18,286 --> 00:06:21,006 Speaker 2: had to stay overnight, and so I stayed overnight. It 114 00:06:21,086 --> 00:06:24,205 Speaker 2: was all fine. They sent me back home that morning, 115 00:06:24,846 --> 00:06:27,046 Speaker 2: so I went back home on the tram. I don't drive, 116 00:06:27,526 --> 00:06:30,126 Speaker 2: so I went back home on the tram. My daughter 117 00:06:30,166 --> 00:06:33,406 Speaker 2: was at daycare, so was walking to go and pick 118 00:06:33,445 --> 00:06:36,606 Speaker 2: her up at about midday. I suppose got kind of 119 00:06:36,966 --> 00:06:39,166 Speaker 2: halfway down the street and I was like, oh, you know, 120 00:06:39,406 --> 00:06:41,005 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm going to wet my pants. I 121 00:06:41,005 --> 00:06:43,126 Speaker 2: don't think today's the day I need to be walking 122 00:06:43,246 --> 00:06:46,405 Speaker 2: to pick her up. So I messaged my partner and 123 00:06:46,445 --> 00:06:48,286 Speaker 2: just said, look, can you pick her up after work 124 00:06:48,366 --> 00:06:51,126 Speaker 2: because I'm not feeling it today. So I wandered back 125 00:06:51,126 --> 00:06:54,686 Speaker 2: home and got home and my waters broke. 126 00:06:55,686 --> 00:06:58,806 Speaker 1: Was it a big gush? The trickle? What did you have? 127 00:06:59,325 --> 00:07:01,846 Speaker 2: It was more of a gush this time than the 128 00:07:01,846 --> 00:07:04,486 Speaker 2: first one. Was more of a trickle vibe where I 129 00:07:04,526 --> 00:07:07,205 Speaker 2: didn't even really know what it was. Yeah, it was 130 00:07:07,246 --> 00:07:10,166 Speaker 2: more of a gush, and so I called the hospital. 131 00:07:10,286 --> 00:07:11,766 Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of funny because I had 132 00:07:11,846 --> 00:07:15,526 Speaker 2: just left the hospital but called the hospital. So, my 133 00:07:15,566 --> 00:07:18,006 Speaker 2: waters have just broken, second baby, what do you think? 134 00:07:18,006 --> 00:07:20,486 Speaker 2: And they just said, chill out. You haven't even had 135 00:07:20,486 --> 00:07:23,886 Speaker 2: any contractions yetisode it'll be hours, so no stress. Call 136 00:07:24,006 --> 00:07:28,686 Speaker 2: us tonight. So I messaged my partner and my mom 137 00:07:28,726 --> 00:07:30,806 Speaker 2: and my best friend and I said, just say no, 138 00:07:30,886 --> 00:07:33,966 Speaker 2: my waters are broken, but no need to rush yet. 139 00:07:34,206 --> 00:07:37,846 Speaker 2: But I reckon tonight, maybe we'll go in. So I 140 00:07:37,926 --> 00:07:39,606 Speaker 2: had to get my mum ready to take care of 141 00:07:39,646 --> 00:07:41,246 Speaker 2: my toddler and all that stuff. 142 00:07:41,326 --> 00:07:44,166 Speaker 1: And so after your waters have broken, you've told everyone 143 00:07:44,966 --> 00:07:48,006 Speaker 1: you're kind of just walking around the house. You're clinging. 144 00:07:48,046 --> 00:07:49,045 Speaker 1: What are you doing? 145 00:07:49,726 --> 00:07:52,206 Speaker 2: Yeah, just walking around the house. I live in an 146 00:07:52,246 --> 00:07:55,406 Speaker 2: apartment building and there are a bunch of other mums 147 00:07:55,446 --> 00:07:57,926 Speaker 2: in the building and we've got quite the little community. 148 00:07:58,166 --> 00:08:00,766 Speaker 2: So I had a WhatsApp chet going with the two 149 00:08:00,846 --> 00:08:04,606 Speaker 2: mums that lived downstairs from me, Georgia and Ellie. They've 150 00:08:04,646 --> 00:08:08,166 Speaker 2: got kids at the same age, and Georgia actually happens 151 00:08:08,166 --> 00:08:12,046 Speaker 2: to be a door as well. We're constantly on the 152 00:08:12,046 --> 00:08:15,326 Speaker 2: group chat being like, who's kids sleeping? Or who has 153 00:08:15,446 --> 00:08:18,086 Speaker 2: bear panadol or nappies or whatever, or who wants to 154 00:08:18,126 --> 00:08:21,046 Speaker 2: go and get a coffee or whatever. So I messaged 155 00:08:21,086 --> 00:08:23,606 Speaker 2: them and just said, hey, waters are broken, like see 156 00:08:23,646 --> 00:08:25,366 Speaker 2: you on the other side, and they were like, good 157 00:08:25,446 --> 00:08:28,126 Speaker 2: luck and all that sort of stuff. Walking around the 158 00:08:28,126 --> 00:08:32,046 Speaker 2: house kind of made sure my bag was packed and thought, well, 159 00:08:32,086 --> 00:08:35,446 Speaker 2: I'll probably have a shower to clean up this water business. 160 00:08:35,486 --> 00:08:39,086 Speaker 1: And Kate, you were so killed, like the most chilled 161 00:08:39,126 --> 00:08:40,285 Speaker 1: woman I've ever spoken to. 162 00:08:41,045 --> 00:08:43,966 Speaker 2: I love this, especially. 163 00:08:43,646 --> 00:08:45,646 Speaker 1: Where because I know where this story is going. 164 00:08:47,526 --> 00:08:50,366 Speaker 2: Well, because my daughter was induced, I kind of didn't 165 00:08:50,405 --> 00:08:53,766 Speaker 2: really know what a natural labor would feel like, so 166 00:08:54,285 --> 00:08:56,126 Speaker 2: I just sort of was going with the flow. 167 00:08:56,526 --> 00:08:58,566 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you jump in the shower, you starting 168 00:08:58,606 --> 00:08:59,685 Speaker 1: to have some contractions. 169 00:08:59,966 --> 00:09:02,566 Speaker 2: I was feeling just like a little bit period painting, 170 00:09:02,886 --> 00:09:06,966 Speaker 2: but nothing to what I thought was contraction. I did 171 00:09:07,045 --> 00:09:08,726 Speaker 2: have my phone with me in the shower because I 172 00:09:08,726 --> 00:09:11,726 Speaker 2: had downloaded a contraction app for that reason that I 173 00:09:11,766 --> 00:09:15,126 Speaker 2: didn't really understand how contractions work, so I thought, I'll 174 00:09:15,326 --> 00:09:17,806 Speaker 2: tap this button when the contraction starts, and so that 175 00:09:17,926 --> 00:09:21,166 Speaker 2: was kind of next to me in the shower. Yeah, 176 00:09:21,165 --> 00:09:23,366 Speaker 2: and so I'm in the shower, and then like it 177 00:09:23,405 --> 00:09:26,446 Speaker 2: did start getting quite painful, and I sort of thought, 178 00:09:26,446 --> 00:09:29,646 Speaker 2: oh God, if this is early labor, like a natural 179 00:09:29,686 --> 00:09:32,606 Speaker 2: early labor, not induced, I think I probably will need 180 00:09:32,646 --> 00:09:36,566 Speaker 2: some drugs this time because it's really hurting. I kind 181 00:09:36,606 --> 00:09:38,486 Speaker 2: of got to a point in the shower where I 182 00:09:38,526 --> 00:09:40,046 Speaker 2: was sort of in so much pain that I got 183 00:09:40,045 --> 00:09:42,686 Speaker 2: down on all fours and then looked down and his 184 00:09:42,846 --> 00:09:44,565 Speaker 2: whole head was outside. 185 00:09:44,846 --> 00:09:47,886 Speaker 1: Did you feel that him crowning or did you just 186 00:09:47,966 --> 00:09:49,566 Speaker 1: kind of well o into so much prain you were 187 00:09:49,606 --> 00:09:52,526 Speaker 1: so focused on the contraction that you didn't quite realize. 188 00:09:52,846 --> 00:09:55,606 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't quite realize. I think I just didn't 189 00:09:55,646 --> 00:09:58,646 Speaker 2: know what to expect because of an induced birth versus 190 00:09:58,646 --> 00:10:01,285 Speaker 2: a natural birth. And yeah, just in a lot of 191 00:10:01,326 --> 00:10:03,806 Speaker 2: pain to the point where I couldn't stand up anymore, 192 00:10:03,846 --> 00:10:06,406 Speaker 2: so had to get on all fours and then his 193 00:10:06,566 --> 00:10:10,046 Speaker 2: whole head was out, and so my phone was there, 194 00:10:10,285 --> 00:10:13,206 Speaker 2: and so I messaged the mum's downstairs, who I knew 195 00:10:13,206 --> 00:10:15,405 Speaker 2: are home because they were home with young kids, and 196 00:10:15,446 --> 00:10:18,405 Speaker 2: I just wrote help. And I've actually got a copy 197 00:10:18,446 --> 00:10:21,726 Speaker 2: of the messages. It's really funny because one of them says, 198 00:10:22,006 --> 00:10:24,326 Speaker 2: do you need help? And then all of my next 199 00:10:24,326 --> 00:10:26,766 Speaker 2: messages just make no sense. I think I was trying 200 00:10:26,806 --> 00:10:29,445 Speaker 2: to type yes, but it was like a dollar sign, 201 00:10:29,526 --> 00:10:32,846 Speaker 2: and then I did manage to write head out. 202 00:10:34,006 --> 00:10:37,285 Speaker 1: Okay, so the heads out, you'll buy yourself, Yes, in 203 00:10:37,326 --> 00:10:38,045 Speaker 1: your apartment? 204 00:10:38,446 --> 00:10:38,686 Speaker 2: Yes? 205 00:10:39,086 --> 00:10:41,165 Speaker 1: Have you been able to call your husband at this. 206 00:10:41,246 --> 00:10:43,966 Speaker 2: Time or well, I'd already kind of told him like 207 00:10:44,285 --> 00:10:46,805 Speaker 2: maybe you know, make your way home because it'll probably 208 00:10:46,846 --> 00:10:49,526 Speaker 2: be tonight, and then that's all he knew. And same 209 00:10:49,566 --> 00:10:52,526 Speaker 2: with my mum and my best friend because I just 210 00:10:52,566 --> 00:10:54,526 Speaker 2: thought I'm just going to have a shower to clean 211 00:10:54,606 --> 00:10:58,006 Speaker 2: up the waters. I didn't know it was going to 212 00:10:58,326 --> 00:10:59,446 Speaker 2: crown in the shower. 213 00:11:00,446 --> 00:11:03,566 Speaker 1: Okay, so his head's out and then I'm imagining the 214 00:11:03,606 --> 00:11:06,406 Speaker 1: rest of it was fairly straightforward in terms of coming out. 215 00:11:06,886 --> 00:11:10,366 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the two mums who I was whatsapping, Georgia 216 00:11:10,446 --> 00:11:14,566 Speaker 2: and Ellie, they came upstairs and by that point I'm 217 00:11:14,566 --> 00:11:16,926 Speaker 2: in the shower like holding him in my arm, so 218 00:11:16,966 --> 00:11:21,726 Speaker 2: he's all the way up and Georgia retails. Is quite 219 00:11:21,726 --> 00:11:23,926 Speaker 2: funny that I just looked up at her and was like, 220 00:11:24,405 --> 00:11:25,846 Speaker 2: do you think we should have like call. 221 00:11:25,726 --> 00:11:28,846 Speaker 1: An ambulance coming up next? 222 00:11:29,326 --> 00:11:31,366 Speaker 2: Yeah? I guess I just want people to know that 223 00:11:31,486 --> 00:11:34,166 Speaker 2: birth cannot be that bad, Like it doesn't have to 224 00:11:34,206 --> 00:11:36,846 Speaker 2: be really really painful and you shouldn't be scared. 225 00:11:43,326 --> 00:11:46,206 Speaker 1: So was he still attached to the umbilical court, like 226 00:11:46,246 --> 00:11:48,726 Speaker 1: because you said that the placenta was still inside. Yes, 227 00:11:49,086 --> 00:11:51,325 Speaker 1: so you're on the ground in the shower to paint 228 00:11:51,366 --> 00:11:51,886 Speaker 1: me a picture. 229 00:11:52,086 --> 00:11:55,565 Speaker 2: Yes, so on the ground in the shower, shower, still going. 230 00:11:56,285 --> 00:11:58,486 Speaker 2: I'm like totally naked in front of my neighbors at 231 00:11:58,486 --> 00:12:02,405 Speaker 2: this point holding a baby, but umbilical court still in 232 00:12:02,526 --> 00:12:07,086 Speaker 2: the placenta still in shower, running Georgia and Ellie rushing. 233 00:12:07,526 --> 00:12:10,966 Speaker 2: Georgia wrapped us up in a towel and kind of 234 00:12:11,045 --> 00:12:14,606 Speaker 2: somehow got us into my bed and like put towers down. 235 00:12:14,686 --> 00:12:18,566 Speaker 2: She was very business and Ellie meanwhile jumped on Triple 236 00:12:18,606 --> 00:12:22,046 Speaker 2: O and called an ambulance. And it felt very quick, 237 00:12:22,326 --> 00:12:26,686 Speaker 2: and I think because everything was totally okay with him 238 00:12:26,926 --> 00:12:30,566 Speaker 2: and me, I didn't even have time to really feel scared, 239 00:12:30,886 --> 00:12:35,086 Speaker 2: like it was just all fine and done. It felt 240 00:12:35,086 --> 00:12:37,646 Speaker 2: like the ambulance was there in about two seconds as well, 241 00:12:37,646 --> 00:12:39,726 Speaker 2: Like I don't know how long it was, maybe ten minutes, 242 00:12:39,766 --> 00:12:43,326 Speaker 2: but they were very fast, and so I kind of 243 00:12:43,566 --> 00:12:46,086 Speaker 2: felt very supported for. 244 00:12:46,086 --> 00:12:49,045 Speaker 1: The ambulance, come in. You're in the bed. At this point, 245 00:12:49,446 --> 00:12:53,486 Speaker 1: Bob's is laying with you. Have you birth the placenti yet? 246 00:12:54,006 --> 00:12:57,846 Speaker 2: No? And I actually didn't until I got to the hospital. 247 00:12:57,926 --> 00:13:01,726 Speaker 2: So after you know, getting wheeled out in the whatever 248 00:13:01,806 --> 00:13:04,966 Speaker 2: those beds are called, in the ambulance, down the road 249 00:13:05,006 --> 00:13:07,206 Speaker 2: into those and I had to stand up and then 250 00:13:07,246 --> 00:13:08,566 Speaker 2: the placenda just fell out. 251 00:13:09,566 --> 00:13:11,926 Speaker 1: So when did you tell your partner and your mom 252 00:13:12,045 --> 00:13:13,966 Speaker 1: that you had had the baby? 253 00:13:14,366 --> 00:13:17,726 Speaker 2: He was already making his way home from the messages 254 00:13:17,766 --> 00:13:21,486 Speaker 2: that I'd sent, and about fifteen minutes later, after the 255 00:13:21,526 --> 00:13:25,086 Speaker 2: ambulance got there, he arrived home with my daughter, who 256 00:13:25,326 --> 00:13:29,685 Speaker 2: couldn't care less. She was just like, whatever, let's watch 257 00:13:29,766 --> 00:13:33,126 Speaker 2: cartoons and can I have an icy pole? But my 258 00:13:33,285 --> 00:13:36,325 Speaker 2: mom tells the story that she was walking down the 259 00:13:36,326 --> 00:13:38,925 Speaker 2: street and saw the ambulance outside my house and absolutely 260 00:13:38,926 --> 00:13:41,806 Speaker 2: panicked and so came running, and so she arrived about 261 00:13:41,846 --> 00:13:43,925 Speaker 2: the same time as did my best friend, so they 262 00:13:44,006 --> 00:13:47,165 Speaker 2: all kind of missed it by about twenty minutes. And 263 00:13:47,206 --> 00:13:51,246 Speaker 2: then yeah, my partner and I and the baby got 264 00:13:51,246 --> 00:13:53,445 Speaker 2: into the ambulance and off we went, and my mom 265 00:13:53,486 --> 00:13:56,246 Speaker 2: stayed home with my daughter, and yeah, what was his 266 00:13:56,285 --> 00:13:59,566 Speaker 2: response when he walked in shock? But also I think 267 00:13:59,606 --> 00:14:01,165 Speaker 2: he was kind of happy that he didn't have to 268 00:14:01,206 --> 00:14:03,685 Speaker 2: hang around the hospital for thirty eight hours. 269 00:14:04,405 --> 00:14:05,806 Speaker 1: How long were you in the hospit at all? 270 00:14:05,806 --> 00:14:08,806 Speaker 2: Four? Yeah, so I went into hospital just to get 271 00:14:08,846 --> 00:14:11,766 Speaker 2: everything checked out, and everything was completely fine, except that 272 00:14:11,846 --> 00:14:14,926 Speaker 2: I had high blood pressure, which I think they told 273 00:14:14,926 --> 00:14:18,806 Speaker 2: me was maybe from shock, and so I ended up 274 00:14:18,846 --> 00:14:21,486 Speaker 2: actually staying for a longer amount of time than I 275 00:14:21,526 --> 00:14:24,206 Speaker 2: did with my first born, just to get that blood 276 00:14:24,246 --> 00:14:28,086 Speaker 2: pressure down. But yeah, otherwise everything was fine. He was 277 00:14:28,286 --> 00:14:30,526 Speaker 2: exactly the same weight as my firstborn. 278 00:14:30,806 --> 00:14:32,486 Speaker 1: And what was your mom's response? 279 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:36,246 Speaker 2: Yeah, she I think was a bit in all probably, 280 00:14:36,326 --> 00:14:39,966 Speaker 2: and then just she bless her, just went straight into 281 00:14:40,286 --> 00:14:42,886 Speaker 2: looking after my daughter mode. My daughter did get a 282 00:14:42,886 --> 00:14:45,526 Speaker 2: bit upset when I was taken away in the ambulance. 283 00:14:45,566 --> 00:14:47,646 Speaker 2: She was sort of didn't understand what was happening, and 284 00:14:47,686 --> 00:14:50,566 Speaker 2: so Mum was great and looked after her and made 285 00:14:50,606 --> 00:14:53,966 Speaker 2: sure she was happy and comfortable and excited for her 286 00:14:54,006 --> 00:14:58,086 Speaker 2: baby brother. And yeah, she's a great big sister. Oh 287 00:14:58,126 --> 00:14:59,646 Speaker 2: my gosh, it. 288 00:14:59,606 --> 00:15:01,486 Speaker 1: Sounds like a kind of a dream birth. I mean, 289 00:15:01,486 --> 00:15:03,766 Speaker 1: I know that you will buy yourself alone in the shower, 290 00:15:03,966 --> 00:15:07,806 Speaker 1: but it all seem to have just happened very quote 291 00:15:07,846 --> 00:15:08,606 Speaker 1: unquote easily. 292 00:15:09,006 --> 00:15:12,006 Speaker 2: Yeah. Very lucky that nothing was wrong, because it would 293 00:15:12,006 --> 00:15:15,486 Speaker 2: have been a very different story if anything had been 294 00:15:15,646 --> 00:15:21,046 Speaker 2: wrong with Jesse or me. But because it was no complications, 295 00:15:21,246 --> 00:15:24,086 Speaker 2: I feel really lucky that it happened at home and 296 00:15:24,326 --> 00:15:24,846 Speaker 2: was fast. 297 00:15:25,206 --> 00:15:28,806 Speaker 1: When his head first came out, did you feel fear 298 00:15:29,006 --> 00:15:32,006 Speaker 1: or was it shock or was it just like it 299 00:15:32,166 --> 00:15:34,606 Speaker 1: sort of reciting yourself to the fact that this is 300 00:15:34,646 --> 00:15:35,446 Speaker 1: what was happening. 301 00:15:35,806 --> 00:15:39,206 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that this is what was happening. Let's 302 00:15:39,326 --> 00:15:42,406 Speaker 2: get on with it all right, there's ahead here. Really 303 00:15:42,446 --> 00:15:45,686 Speaker 2: grateful to the two mums that were living downstairs, because 304 00:15:45,726 --> 00:15:49,206 Speaker 2: I think if I'd been in a standalone house on 305 00:15:49,246 --> 00:15:51,406 Speaker 2: my own with no one around, like, what would I 306 00:15:51,406 --> 00:15:53,686 Speaker 2: have done. I'm not too sure. I don't know if 307 00:15:53,726 --> 00:15:56,886 Speaker 2: I could have stood up by myself to get a 308 00:15:56,886 --> 00:15:59,766 Speaker 2: phone or I don't know. So I feel really grateful 309 00:15:59,766 --> 00:16:02,126 Speaker 2: that they were there and were home, and that my 310 00:16:02,166 --> 00:16:04,406 Speaker 2: front door was open and they could just barge in 311 00:16:04,566 --> 00:16:05,446 Speaker 2: and help me out. 312 00:16:05,806 --> 00:16:08,806 Speaker 1: If you were to have another child, would you be 313 00:16:08,926 --> 00:16:10,606 Speaker 1: staying very close to the hospital or would you. 314 00:16:10,606 --> 00:16:11,926 Speaker 2: Be like, I'm just going to have a home birth. 315 00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:14,486 Speaker 2: I think I probably would try to have a home birth. 316 00:16:14,766 --> 00:16:17,566 Speaker 2: I've got nothing against hospitals either. I feel very safe 317 00:16:17,606 --> 00:16:21,806 Speaker 2: in a hospital with experts around me, but I feel 318 00:16:21,846 --> 00:16:25,205 Speaker 2: like maybe being at home, I felt relaxed and comfortable 319 00:16:25,326 --> 00:16:28,366 Speaker 2: enough to just birth. And actually, when I got to 320 00:16:28,406 --> 00:16:31,366 Speaker 2: the hospital, they did question me as to whether I 321 00:16:31,486 --> 00:16:34,406 Speaker 2: was trying to do a free birth on my own 322 00:16:35,286 --> 00:16:37,686 Speaker 2: without kind of telling anyone, and I'm like, no, no, no, 323 00:16:37,766 --> 00:16:39,486 Speaker 2: My plan was to be here. I mean, I was 324 00:16:39,486 --> 00:16:40,326 Speaker 2: here this morning. 325 00:16:41,246 --> 00:16:43,926 Speaker 1: It's a pretty remarkable story because I think about both 326 00:16:43,966 --> 00:16:47,006 Speaker 1: of my births and they were very long from when 327 00:16:47,086 --> 00:16:50,726 Speaker 1: your water broke to when he was born. How long 328 00:16:50,886 --> 00:16:51,166 Speaker 1: was that? 329 00:16:51,686 --> 00:16:55,046 Speaker 2: I think like half an hour, because yeah, I got 330 00:16:55,046 --> 00:16:58,126 Speaker 2: into the shower pretty quickly, and to be honest, like, 331 00:16:58,166 --> 00:17:01,326 Speaker 2: I don't even really remember feeling proper contraction. It was 332 00:17:01,366 --> 00:17:03,406 Speaker 2: just like, oh, I mean, heaps of pain, and if 333 00:17:03,446 --> 00:17:06,926 Speaker 2: this is early labor, no, thank you. But then I 334 00:17:06,966 --> 00:17:08,406 Speaker 2: guess that was crowning. 335 00:17:08,686 --> 00:17:11,606 Speaker 1: I'm just really flawed. Did you have any of the 336 00:17:11,686 --> 00:17:15,886 Speaker 1: doctors or midwives or anyone tell you why this has happened, 337 00:17:16,006 --> 00:17:18,166 Speaker 1: or any any insight into it or just the way 338 00:17:18,166 --> 00:17:19,126 Speaker 1: that you labor. 339 00:17:19,166 --> 00:17:21,046 Speaker 2: I think it's just the way that I labor. I mean, 340 00:17:21,086 --> 00:17:24,326 Speaker 2: the first one was pretty good too, and maybe it's 341 00:17:24,406 --> 00:17:26,846 Speaker 2: just that cheeky, so that can maybe, like I feel 342 00:17:26,926 --> 00:17:28,126 Speaker 2: like they're often quite quick. 343 00:17:28,526 --> 00:17:30,206 Speaker 1: What an amazing story, Kate. 344 00:17:30,806 --> 00:17:34,406 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel very lucky, and I feel like I 345 00:17:34,446 --> 00:17:36,806 Speaker 2: didn't have any control over it. It's not like I 346 00:17:36,886 --> 00:17:39,126 Speaker 2: chose for that to happen. It just happened to me, 347 00:17:39,406 --> 00:17:42,806 Speaker 2: and I'm grateful, really grateful that it all went okay. 348 00:17:43,046 --> 00:17:44,446 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that you said to 349 00:17:44,446 --> 00:17:46,206 Speaker 1: me that I really liked was that, even though it 350 00:17:46,246 --> 00:17:48,606 Speaker 1: was a crazy story, you wanted to give a positive 351 00:17:49,246 --> 00:17:51,766 Speaker 1: impression of how birthing could be. 352 00:17:52,126 --> 00:17:55,086 Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like while I was pregnant, it was 353 00:17:55,206 --> 00:17:58,406 Speaker 2: just a lot of horror stories about how painful birth 354 00:17:58,446 --> 00:18:02,846 Speaker 2: can be and it's, you know, the worst day ever. Yeah, 355 00:18:02,886 --> 00:18:05,086 Speaker 2: I guess I just want people to know that birth 356 00:18:05,126 --> 00:18:07,726 Speaker 2: cannot be about that, Like, it doesn't have to be 357 00:18:07,886 --> 00:18:11,046 Speaker 2: really really painful and you shouldn't be scared. But I 358 00:18:11,126 --> 00:18:14,926 Speaker 2: do recognize that I come from a flucky position where 359 00:18:14,966 --> 00:18:17,646 Speaker 2: nothing went wrong, and I know that every birth is 360 00:18:17,766 --> 00:18:20,086 Speaker 2: very different, and yeah, I'm. 361 00:18:20,126 --> 00:18:23,806 Speaker 1: Grateful for that. You're a unicorn Berth Okay, Well, you know, 362 00:18:24,966 --> 00:18:28,166 Speaker 1: it really says a lot about how much the mind 363 00:18:28,726 --> 00:18:29,366 Speaker 1: can help you. 364 00:18:29,646 --> 00:18:30,406 Speaker 2: And totally like that. 365 00:18:30,446 --> 00:18:32,046 Speaker 1: I think the fact that you were able to stay 366 00:18:32,086 --> 00:18:35,406 Speaker 1: calm and just in that fight or flight moment kind 367 00:18:35,406 --> 00:18:37,446 Speaker 1: of go I'm going to fight, I'm going to stay calm, 368 00:18:37,486 --> 00:18:39,366 Speaker 1: and I'm just going to do it. Yeah, because it 369 00:18:39,366 --> 00:18:41,326 Speaker 1: probably would have been a slightly different outcome if you 370 00:18:41,366 --> 00:18:42,006 Speaker 1: had panicked. 371 00:18:42,446 --> 00:18:45,646 Speaker 2: Totally yeah. And I think because it was everything was 372 00:18:45,686 --> 00:18:48,806 Speaker 2: so fast, I didn't have time to panic. I didn't 373 00:18:48,806 --> 00:18:51,326 Speaker 2: have time to get scared. Like if it had been 374 00:18:51,366 --> 00:18:54,726 Speaker 2: a long time with his head out and not his body, 375 00:18:54,766 --> 00:18:56,846 Speaker 2: maybe I would have freaked out. But I guess it 376 00:18:56,886 --> 00:18:58,726 Speaker 2: was one more push and he was all the way out. 377 00:18:58,806 --> 00:19:01,166 Speaker 2: It's a bit of a blur. And then my neighbors 378 00:19:01,166 --> 00:19:03,446 Speaker 2: were there within what felt like two seconds, and then 379 00:19:03,486 --> 00:19:06,846 Speaker 2: the ambulance was there within two so it all felt 380 00:19:07,126 --> 00:19:10,126 Speaker 2: very kind of supported. And yeah, I didn't have time 381 00:19:10,166 --> 00:19:10,926 Speaker 2: to freak out. 382 00:19:11,006 --> 00:19:13,246 Speaker 1: I just got this image in my head of your 383 00:19:13,366 --> 00:19:17,006 Speaker 1: girlfriends walking in the front door and walking into the 384 00:19:17,006 --> 00:19:20,406 Speaker 1: bathroom with you just on the floor with the shower 385 00:19:20,486 --> 00:19:24,046 Speaker 1: running and a baby in neural arms. Yeah. O, Kate, 386 00:19:24,126 --> 00:19:26,846 Speaker 1: thank you so much. For sharing your story. So Jesse 387 00:19:27,086 --> 00:19:28,286 Speaker 1: is now five. 388 00:19:28,526 --> 00:19:31,686 Speaker 2: Yes, just out of prep. Yeah, that's exciting. 389 00:19:31,926 --> 00:19:35,366 Speaker 1: And then Hanny is seven now yes. Now does Jesse 390 00:19:35,566 --> 00:19:37,006 Speaker 1: know that he was born in the shower? 391 00:19:37,286 --> 00:19:40,205 Speaker 2: I have told him that he's like the cheeky shower baby, 392 00:19:40,246 --> 00:19:42,246 Speaker 2: and we do chat about it, the three of us. 393 00:19:42,326 --> 00:19:45,006 Speaker 2: He's only kind of just realized what that means in 394 00:19:45,246 --> 00:19:47,686 Speaker 2: the last year or so. And Henny really likes that 395 00:19:47,766 --> 00:19:49,846 Speaker 2: story too, I bet. 396 00:19:50,206 --> 00:19:53,286 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Kate, I am just blown away 397 00:19:53,326 --> 00:20:02,646 Speaker 1: by you now. Thanks to talk us through some of 398 00:20:02,646 --> 00:20:06,846 Speaker 1: the medical specifics. This week we have obstitcty and kynecologist 399 00:20:06,966 --> 00:20:10,206 Speaker 1: doctor Broumin Divine. I wanted to know why does some 400 00:20:10,366 --> 00:20:12,965 Speaker 1: babies move more than others in the womb. 401 00:20:13,406 --> 00:20:17,246 Speaker 4: The commonest reason for people not feeling one bub move 402 00:20:17,366 --> 00:20:20,846 Speaker 4: as much as an earlier pregnancy. The commonest reason for 403 00:20:20,886 --> 00:20:22,926 Speaker 4: that would be the position of the placenter. So if 404 00:20:22,926 --> 00:20:25,726 Speaker 4: the placenters in the front wall, you'll have a bit 405 00:20:25,766 --> 00:20:29,526 Speaker 4: of a buffer between the fetal movements and what you 406 00:20:29,526 --> 00:20:33,126 Speaker 4: can perceive through your abdominal wall. So people who have 407 00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:37,206 Speaker 4: an anterior percenter a front wall percenter often feel movements 408 00:20:37,286 --> 00:20:39,326 Speaker 4: much less than if people have the percenter on the 409 00:20:39,366 --> 00:20:42,446 Speaker 4: back wall, and you've got baby, then a little bit 410 00:20:42,446 --> 00:20:45,206 Speaker 4: of ambiotic fluid, then uterus, then abdominal wall. So you'll 411 00:20:45,206 --> 00:20:48,246 Speaker 4: feel the baby a lot more if it's closer to 412 00:20:48,286 --> 00:20:51,646 Speaker 4: your tummy, well closer to your abdominal wall. So that's 413 00:20:51,686 --> 00:20:55,446 Speaker 4: the commonest reason for feeling one baby move more than 414 00:20:55,446 --> 00:20:58,486 Speaker 4: another in terms of you know, serial pregnancy. So like 415 00:20:58,726 --> 00:21:01,646 Speaker 4: your first pregnancy, this baby is really active. Second pregnancy, 416 00:21:01,646 --> 00:21:03,686 Speaker 4: we're not quite as active. The commonest reason of that 417 00:21:03,806 --> 00:21:06,646 Speaker 4: is just the position of the placenter. But some babies 418 00:21:06,646 --> 00:21:09,006 Speaker 4: are very active at certain times. You know, some babies 419 00:21:09,006 --> 00:21:11,166 Speaker 4: are very active at night. Are the ones that are 420 00:21:11,166 --> 00:21:14,846 Speaker 4: more active during the day. And certainly, you know, some 421 00:21:14,966 --> 00:21:18,606 Speaker 4: women say, you know, this baby's crazy active, but you know, 422 00:21:18,686 --> 00:21:21,846 Speaker 4: my second child definitely didn't feel as much. And it 423 00:21:21,886 --> 00:21:24,966 Speaker 4: may not be related to the position of the percenter, 424 00:21:25,366 --> 00:21:27,686 Speaker 4: but certainly the position of the percenter would be the 425 00:21:27,966 --> 00:21:32,006 Speaker 4: commonest factor in determining how much people feel their movements. 426 00:21:32,286 --> 00:21:34,806 Speaker 4: And some people just say, this kid just nice and 427 00:21:34,846 --> 00:21:38,246 Speaker 4: relaxed on these other kids always moving around. So and 428 00:21:38,286 --> 00:21:40,446 Speaker 4: I think when we talk to people about their movements, 429 00:21:40,446 --> 00:21:44,646 Speaker 4: because we use movements as an indicator of fetal well being, 430 00:21:44,726 --> 00:21:46,926 Speaker 4: and we say to people all the time, just keep 431 00:21:46,966 --> 00:21:47,846 Speaker 4: an eye on your movements. 432 00:21:47,926 --> 00:21:50,086 Speaker 2: Let us know if you're concerned about your movements. 433 00:21:50,566 --> 00:21:53,286 Speaker 4: People do get a sort of an idea about how 434 00:21:53,406 --> 00:21:56,606 Speaker 4: much their baby moves and that baby's pattern of movement. 435 00:21:56,726 --> 00:21:59,686 Speaker 4: So what we're asking them to do is not necessarily 436 00:21:59,846 --> 00:22:03,726 Speaker 4: count a certain number of movements for every baby, but 437 00:22:03,926 --> 00:22:05,926 Speaker 4: just to have a bit of a perception of what 438 00:22:06,046 --> 00:22:09,406 Speaker 4: their own babies movement pattern is like and whether that 439 00:22:09,566 --> 00:22:10,846 Speaker 4: changes significantly. 440 00:22:14,846 --> 00:22:17,406 Speaker 1: Diary of a Birth was hosted by me Cassennu Lukitch, 441 00:22:17,446 --> 00:22:20,646 Speaker 1: with expert input from doctor Bromlin Devine. If you have 442 00:22:20,726 --> 00:22:23,606 Speaker 1: a birth story, we'd love to hear from you. Details 443 00:22:23,606 --> 00:22:26,606 Speaker 1: are in the show notes. This episode was produced by 444 00:22:26,686 --> 00:22:31,086 Speaker 1: Tina Mattalov and myself Cassenya Lukic, with audio production by 445 00:22:31,206 --> 00:22:32,006 Speaker 1: Leah Porges. 446 00:22:40,446 --> 00:22:43,766 Speaker 2: Mamma Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. We 447 00:22:43,846 --> 00:22:47,246 Speaker 2: have recorded this podcast on the Gadigul people of the 448 00:22:47,246 --> 00:22:48,046 Speaker 2: Eor nation. 449 00:22:48,766 --> 00:22:51,566 Speaker 1: We pay our respects to their elders past and present, 450 00:22:52,006 --> 00:22:55,286 Speaker 1: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and torres Rate 451 00:22:55,326 --> 00:22:56,286 Speaker 1: islander cultures.