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Speaker 3: You live for fashion.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear the podcast. It

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Speaker 2: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,

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Speaker 2: and every week I chat to an expert who helps

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Speaker 2: us work out how to get more out of the

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Speaker 2: isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Now, today's bit sad

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Speaker 2: because we're saying goodbye to a friend. We're actually saying

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Speaker 2: goodbye to four friends. Sex and the City hit our

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Speaker 2: screens almost thirty years ago, and since then, with a

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Speaker 2: few breaks, these four women and their friends have influenced

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Speaker 2: our lives in ways we don't even realize. Whether you

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Speaker 2: were a fan or not, or a late coming to

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Speaker 2: the show. Sex and the City and then, and just

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Speaker 2: like that, have revolutionized the way women talk about relationships, careers,

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Speaker 2: Laura Brodnick. There is no one better to help me

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Speaker 2: a fashion lens. She is the head of entertainment here

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Speaker 2: her brain is an encyclopedia of TV and movies.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how she fits it all in.

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Speaker 2: She's got some incredible insights about how these four women

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Speaker 2: and to them and to the world. Lovely Laura, welcome

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Speaker 2: to Nothing to Wear. You are on ten thousand other podcasts,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think I've had you on Nothing to Wear,

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Speaker 2: So welcome.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I'm happy to be here as a listener.

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Speaker 2: Soon, but let me start with our questions we ask

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Speaker 2: Women have a wardrobe full of clothes, whether that's a

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Speaker 1: When the City launched in nineteen ninety eight, so I

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to carry for a second, because you

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Speaker 2: Think we don't realize how much permission that show gave

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Speaker 2: them out and mix and match them and just because

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00:18:22,505 --> 00:18:24,985
Speaker 2: they're not Manalo Blanik or whatever she's wearing.

437
00:18:25,145 --> 00:18:27,705
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, that vibe right, exactly. It's not about the

438
00:18:27,745 --> 00:18:30,225
Speaker 4: designer clothes, it's the way she puts them together. And

439
00:18:30,265 --> 00:18:32,185
Speaker 4: I feel like that's when I first started to get

440
00:18:32,225 --> 00:18:34,185
Speaker 4: a bit interested in fashion, when I was a teenager

441
00:18:34,225 --> 00:18:37,265
Speaker 4: watching Sex and the City. And again, I'm living in Townsville,

442
00:18:37,305 --> 00:18:39,865
Speaker 4: which is tropical North Queensland. Could not be further away

443
00:18:39,905 --> 00:18:40,585
Speaker 4: from the streets of me.

444
00:18:40,705 --> 00:18:42,225
Speaker 1: Or do you even own like a jacket or anything?

445
00:18:42,745 --> 00:18:44,585
Speaker 4: No, because there's't bey one day a week in towns All.

446
00:18:44,585 --> 00:18:46,585
Speaker 4: We can wear a jacket when it's cool enough the rest.

447
00:18:46,465 --> 00:18:47,625
Speaker 1: Of the mean a whole year.

448
00:18:47,745 --> 00:18:50,065
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much, it's tropical all year round, which is

449
00:18:50,065 --> 00:18:52,145
Speaker 4: be't great for me, but I would save up all

450
00:18:52,185 --> 00:18:54,785
Speaker 4: my pennies from working at the cash register a Kmart

451
00:18:55,025 --> 00:18:57,665
Speaker 4: and go and buy like a pearl necklace or a

452
00:18:57,785 --> 00:19:00,305
Speaker 4: lace skirt to put over something, or cowboy boots. And

453
00:19:00,505 --> 00:19:02,145
Speaker 4: again I had literally no where to go. I cannot

454
00:19:02,145 --> 00:19:03,665
Speaker 4: say that enough. I was going to like walk around

455
00:19:03,665 --> 00:19:05,185
Speaker 4: the shopping center with my friends or going to the

456
00:19:05,225 --> 00:19:07,425
Speaker 4: movies or something, because when you're sixteen, like you want

457
00:19:07,465 --> 00:19:09,385
Speaker 4: to go somewhere, but you have nowhere to go. And

458
00:19:09,425 --> 00:19:11,665
Speaker 4: I've felt like every day I would be putting these

459
00:19:11,665 --> 00:19:14,425
Speaker 4: outfits together on my bed and the accessories and things,

460
00:19:14,425 --> 00:19:16,265
Speaker 4: and I would wear heels out. Again at sixteen, I

461
00:19:16,345 --> 00:19:18,985
Speaker 4: had nowhere to go. But it's almost like Carrie Bradshaw

462
00:19:19,025 --> 00:19:21,785
Speaker 4: gave you permission to live in a fantasy. And even

463
00:19:21,825 --> 00:19:25,985
Speaker 4: if your fantasy things came from Target and Valley Girls,

464
00:19:26,065 --> 00:19:28,345
Speaker 4: lots of Valley Girls staff couldn't even afford Sports Girl

465
00:19:28,865 --> 00:19:30,945
Speaker 4: got it. And I think that stayed lay By now

466
00:19:31,665 --> 00:19:34,385
Speaker 4: exactly exactly for God. I had that six week payment

467
00:19:34,425 --> 00:19:37,305
Speaker 4: place because I needed it. And I think sometimes now

468
00:19:37,305 --> 00:19:39,505
Speaker 4: when I find myself also now that I kind of

469
00:19:39,585 --> 00:19:40,985
Speaker 4: have the job I fantasize at.

470
00:19:40,945 --> 00:19:44,025
Speaker 1: The time, kind of we both semi have a carried out.

471
00:19:43,985 --> 00:19:46,025
Speaker 4: I feel like so many people in our industry do.

472
00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,665
Speaker 4: Sometimes I think to myself, like living in the big city,

473
00:19:48,825 --> 00:19:51,265
Speaker 4: working in this glamorous job, and sometimes when I get

474
00:19:51,305 --> 00:19:52,785
Speaker 4: really tired and I feel like I just want to

475
00:19:52,825 --> 00:19:56,025
Speaker 4: pull on a whatever outfit, I think, what would sixteen

476
00:19:56,065 --> 00:19:58,105
Speaker 4: year old you think when she was watching Sex in

477
00:19:58,145 --> 00:19:59,785
Speaker 4: the City that you were leaving the house like that

478
00:19:59,825 --> 00:20:01,425
Speaker 4: when you finally have somewhere to go?

479
00:20:01,625 --> 00:20:04,865
Speaker 2: Yes, totally, I love that, but I think you know, yes,

480
00:20:04,905 --> 00:20:08,225
Speaker 2: you had nowhere to go. But sixteen year old you,

481
00:20:08,225 --> 00:20:10,385
Speaker 2: you clearly were a creative person. Look where you've landed

482
00:20:10,385 --> 00:20:12,105
Speaker 2: in your career, and so it was an outlet for

483
00:20:12,225 --> 00:20:13,305
Speaker 2: creativity exactly.

484
00:20:13,465 --> 00:20:14,305
Speaker 1: But then a lot of our.

485
00:20:14,225 --> 00:20:16,945
Speaker 2: Listeners don't have somewhere to go, is you know, as

486
00:20:16,985 --> 00:20:19,025
Speaker 2: a mother and as someone who works here part time.

487
00:20:19,065 --> 00:20:23,665
Speaker 2: But otherwise I'm schlepping around doing very mundane things. I'm

488
00:20:23,665 --> 00:20:26,945
Speaker 2: really trying not to save my special things and nowhere

489
00:20:27,025 --> 00:20:29,265
Speaker 2: to go. Sure I'm not wearing a ball gown and

490
00:20:29,545 --> 00:20:32,465
Speaker 2: definitely not at my age wearing six inch heels, but

491
00:20:32,625 --> 00:20:34,425
Speaker 2: I will wear something a little bit fish, you know.

492
00:20:34,585 --> 00:20:36,225
Speaker 4: And I think that's what Sex and the City has

493
00:20:36,265 --> 00:20:38,185
Speaker 4: taught us, because look at like some of Carrie's best

494
00:20:38,185 --> 00:20:40,865
Speaker 4: outfits is sitting at the diner having breakfast with their

495
00:20:40,905 --> 00:20:43,105
Speaker 4: friends on a Saturday even. I feel like one of

496
00:20:43,105 --> 00:20:45,345
Speaker 4: the moments that got the most ridiculed from the new

497
00:20:45,385 --> 00:20:48,265
Speaker 4: And just like that is where she's staying the night

498
00:20:48,305 --> 00:20:51,225
Speaker 4: at her apartment after BIG's death and she wakes up

499
00:20:51,225 --> 00:20:53,505
Speaker 4: in the morning and her coffee machine is broken, and

500
00:20:53,545 --> 00:20:55,465
Speaker 4: so she goes down the road to literally just grab

501
00:20:55,545 --> 00:20:58,065
Speaker 4: a coffee from a bodega and she's wearing a full

502
00:20:58,305 --> 00:21:02,625
Speaker 4: like chul maxi skirt with a train and a glittery bag.

503
00:21:02,705 --> 00:21:04,545
Speaker 4: And I just think that is what she would wear

504
00:21:04,545 --> 00:21:05,345
Speaker 4: to go get a coffee.

505
00:21:05,385 --> 00:21:06,825
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is what she because of her.

506
00:21:06,665 --> 00:21:08,625
Speaker 4: Comfort outfit and she felt good in it, and she

507
00:21:08,705 --> 00:21:10,465
Speaker 4: felt like that was her for the day.

508
00:21:10,745 --> 00:21:12,905
Speaker 2: And do you think because that occurred now, you know,

509
00:21:12,945 --> 00:21:15,305
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, did you see any online

510
00:21:15,305 --> 00:21:17,545
Speaker 2: discourse saying someone grieving wouldn't do that?

511
00:21:17,785 --> 00:21:19,825
Speaker 4: There was so much I feel like people had forgotten

512
00:21:19,865 --> 00:21:21,705
Speaker 4: the world that they had craved to go back into.

513
00:21:21,825 --> 00:21:23,585
Speaker 4: Like everyone wanted to go back into the sextant City,

514
00:21:23,785 --> 00:21:25,145
Speaker 4: and when it came back, we're like, oh, she would

515
00:21:25,185 --> 00:21:27,305
Speaker 4: never wear that. First of all, if you go to

516
00:21:27,345 --> 00:21:29,425
Speaker 4: New York and walk around like the West Village and stuff.

517
00:21:29,425 --> 00:21:31,945
Speaker 4: You do see characters like that who were quintessentially New

518
00:21:32,025 --> 00:21:34,745
Speaker 4: York who live in these rent controlled apartments that they

519
00:21:34,785 --> 00:21:37,825
Speaker 4: could never afford, who buy these crazy clothes and they

520
00:21:37,865 --> 00:21:40,025
Speaker 4: do wear stuff like that to get coffee. And I'm like,

521
00:21:40,025 --> 00:21:42,465
Speaker 4: that's Carrie Bradshaw. She's you think of her as this

522
00:21:42,545 --> 00:21:44,705
Speaker 4: like fancy girl on TV, but at her heart, she

523
00:21:44,825 --> 00:21:47,225
Speaker 4: is just an eccentric New York woman with too much

524
00:21:47,225 --> 00:21:48,745
Speaker 4: time and money, and we love her for.

525
00:21:48,625 --> 00:21:50,665
Speaker 2: That and her ten percent. You know, she probably grabbed

526
00:21:50,665 --> 00:21:52,345
Speaker 2: her what was closest to the door. She doesn't have

527
00:21:52,385 --> 00:21:54,705
Speaker 2: old Lillu lemon leggings and so hould up track is

528
00:21:54,705 --> 00:21:56,425
Speaker 2: that's what she's got in her ten percent?

529
00:21:56,625 --> 00:21:58,825
Speaker 4: She'd have to go dig for the flats to find them.

530
00:21:58,945 --> 00:22:01,225
Speaker 4: She puts on her walking heels, as she says, I know,

531
00:22:01,465 --> 00:22:02,505
Speaker 4: and she walks a lot.

532
00:22:03,305 --> 00:22:05,105
Speaker 2: I had. I didn't know this, so if you can

533
00:22:05,145 --> 00:22:08,185
Speaker 2: tell me about it. Sarah Disika Barker has confirmed that

534
00:22:08,225 --> 00:22:10,025
Speaker 2: she had a clause in her country.

535
00:22:09,865 --> 00:22:12,465
Speaker 1: That allowed her to keep the outfits. Is this true?

536
00:22:12,545 --> 00:22:14,865
Speaker 4: That is one hundred percent true? So this yeah, yeah,

537
00:22:14,865 --> 00:22:17,705
Speaker 4: she has all of them. In an archive, and she

538
00:22:17,945 --> 00:22:22,225
Speaker 4: does loan them out every soften to events and movies

539
00:22:22,265 --> 00:22:23,905
Speaker 4: and things, and she says she's keeping them for her

540
00:22:23,905 --> 00:22:25,345
Speaker 4: twin daughters and so jealous of those.

541
00:22:25,385 --> 00:22:26,945
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they better make a museum.

542
00:22:27,185 --> 00:22:30,345
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And so all those archival pieces that you

543
00:22:30,465 --> 00:22:32,865
Speaker 4: see in and just like that where that's why they

544
00:22:32,865 --> 00:22:34,625
Speaker 4: have all the clothing racks out where she says she's

545
00:22:34,625 --> 00:22:36,745
Speaker 4: sorting her clothes, and so you can see all the

546
00:22:36,785 --> 00:22:38,785
Speaker 4: pieces and they're all from her personal archive.

547
00:22:39,305 --> 00:22:40,385
Speaker 1: No way, isn't that just?

548
00:22:40,425 --> 00:22:42,705
Speaker 4: I also do feel that clause was potentially put in

549
00:22:42,745 --> 00:22:44,865
Speaker 4: before the big designers loaning Clay.

550
00:22:45,345 --> 00:22:46,145
Speaker 1: She is a baller.

551
00:22:46,185 --> 00:22:47,705
Speaker 2: I know she wanted to get out at the start,

552
00:22:47,745 --> 00:22:49,625
Speaker 2: but now that is so smart.

553
00:22:49,745 --> 00:22:52,065
Speaker 4: But once the show became so cultural elevant, then she

554
00:22:52,185 --> 00:22:54,625
Speaker 4: leaned in in a huge way and you became a

555
00:22:54,625 --> 00:22:56,785
Speaker 4: producer on the show and became all that sort of stuff.

556
00:22:56,825 --> 00:22:58,945
Speaker 4: And yeah, she had that clause written in. I think

557
00:22:58,985 --> 00:23:00,825
Speaker 4: it was again to kind of sweeten the deal because

558
00:23:00,865 --> 00:23:03,145
Speaker 4: she did want to leave. Yeah, and then once all

559
00:23:03,145 --> 00:23:05,825
Speaker 4: the designers started being like where are stuff? Yes, it

560
00:23:05,945 --> 00:23:06,785
Speaker 4: was just like the game.

561
00:23:07,945 --> 00:23:10,425
Speaker 1: I can't imagine anyone else playing but her.

562
00:23:10,585 --> 00:23:11,225
Speaker 4: No, not at all.

563
00:23:11,385 --> 00:23:12,145
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny how that.

564
00:23:12,345 --> 00:23:14,705
Speaker 2: Was like exciting doors moments you're just so glad that

565
00:23:14,705 --> 00:23:18,025
Speaker 2: they happened. I have to admit something, I have only

566
00:23:18,025 --> 00:23:20,505
Speaker 2: watched the first two seasons, even just like that, I

567
00:23:20,545 --> 00:23:23,145
Speaker 2: haven't watched the third one. I was in a panic

568
00:23:23,185 --> 00:23:24,665
Speaker 2: to catch up. But now that we know it's the

569
00:23:24,745 --> 00:23:27,665
Speaker 2: last I'm kind of savoring it, like that that chocolate

570
00:23:27,745 --> 00:23:29,065
Speaker 2: clear in the back of the fridge, or you know

571
00:23:29,185 --> 00:23:32,065
Speaker 2: that really good book you're saving for holidays. Yes, talk

572
00:23:32,105 --> 00:23:34,385
Speaker 2: to me about the last season and what have I missed,

573
00:23:34,585 --> 00:23:36,825
Speaker 2: and maybe some spoilers for people that haven't caught up,

574
00:23:36,825 --> 00:23:38,305
Speaker 2: But this is from a fashion perspective.

575
00:23:38,385 --> 00:23:40,145
Speaker 4: Yes, I won't go into sort of deep spoilers and

576
00:23:40,145 --> 00:23:41,785
Speaker 4: firs all, I think it's the right thing for you.

577
00:23:41,745 --> 00:23:43,905
Speaker 1: To save it because I'm excited now.

578
00:23:43,945 --> 00:23:45,425
Speaker 4: It's like Chillian glass of wine. We're not in the

579
00:23:45,425 --> 00:23:45,785
Speaker 4: mood for it.

580
00:23:45,825 --> 00:23:47,985
Speaker 2: You're not going to enjoy that, but you don't want

581
00:23:47,985 --> 00:23:49,385
Speaker 2: to open the bottle until you're ready.

582
00:23:49,465 --> 00:23:51,305
Speaker 4: Exactly one day you're going to reach for that treat

583
00:23:51,305 --> 00:23:53,145
Speaker 4: and it's going to be the perfect time. Yes. So

584
00:23:53,345 --> 00:23:55,505
Speaker 4: this season was a bit of a divisive one because

585
00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:57,785
Speaker 4: Carrie's outfits we're getting if we're going to talk from

586
00:23:57,785 --> 00:24:00,905
Speaker 4: a fashion yes, have been very pulled apart. I don't

587
00:24:00,905 --> 00:24:02,385
Speaker 4: know if you saw the images of her like out

588
00:24:02,385 --> 00:24:04,465
Speaker 4: and about having ice cream with Seama with a huge

589
00:24:04,545 --> 00:24:05,585
Speaker 4: kind of opulent hat.

590
00:24:05,705 --> 00:24:07,705
Speaker 1: Yes, that hat was a lot looked like a marshmallow

591
00:24:07,705 --> 00:24:07,985
Speaker 1: from it.

592
00:24:07,865 --> 00:24:10,705
Speaker 4: It was a huge I do think Sarah Jessica Parker,

593
00:24:10,785 --> 00:24:12,665
Speaker 4: like she takes a lot of criticism on the chin

594
00:24:12,745 --> 00:24:14,545
Speaker 4: for the show with that, she was not having it.

595
00:24:14,585 --> 00:24:16,945
Speaker 4: She's like that hat came from an artist. It is

596
00:24:16,985 --> 00:24:18,025
Speaker 4: a piece of art.

597
00:24:17,945 --> 00:24:22,225
Speaker 2: And she's really elevated, like she's made some designers whole career.

598
00:24:21,945 --> 00:24:24,745
Speaker 4: Is exactly I mean, even with Monolo's and stuff like,

599
00:24:24,785 --> 00:24:26,025
Speaker 4: she was the one who were like these are the

600
00:24:26,065 --> 00:24:28,585
Speaker 4: shoes I'm gonna or like the Fendi bagats and stuff like,

601
00:24:28,665 --> 00:24:30,545
Speaker 4: she was the one who picked them and brought them

602
00:24:30,585 --> 00:24:32,545
Speaker 4: into a bit more mainstream, which means more people were

603
00:24:32,545 --> 00:24:35,065
Speaker 4: buying them. But I do think that she's just in

604
00:24:35,105 --> 00:24:37,145
Speaker 4: a different place in her life from their original sex

605
00:24:37,185 --> 00:24:39,185
Speaker 4: and the city, and so her clothes should reflect that.

606
00:24:39,705 --> 00:24:42,825
Speaker 4: She is a multi multi millionaire woman because she has

607
00:24:42,865 --> 00:24:45,425
Speaker 4: the money from her books, but also all of B's

608
00:24:45,425 --> 00:24:47,545
Speaker 4: money in including the money that he was meant to

609
00:24:47,585 --> 00:24:50,065
Speaker 4: give to Natasha, which then carry kept, which is fair enough.

610
00:24:50,025 --> 00:24:52,065
Speaker 1: Cour she I mean, I half feel bad for Natasha.

611
00:24:52,065 --> 00:24:52,545
Speaker 1: She felt.

612
00:24:54,025 --> 00:24:55,705
Speaker 4: She doesn't need any Yeah, she has her own money,

613
00:24:55,745 --> 00:24:57,665
Speaker 4: as she said on the show. So I think we're

614
00:24:57,705 --> 00:25:00,305
Speaker 4: looking at this woman who's living in this mansion and

615
00:25:00,545 --> 00:25:04,145
Speaker 4: who has unlimited money, unlimited time, and her clothes should

616
00:25:04,185 --> 00:25:05,985
Speaker 4: reflect that. Just think if you had nothing but time

617
00:25:06,025 --> 00:25:08,705
Speaker 4: to sit around your huge house with unlimited money.

618
00:25:08,585 --> 00:25:11,225
Speaker 1: Yes, and it was already part of you, you do

619
00:25:11,385 --> 00:25:12,065
Speaker 1: your expression.

620
00:25:12,265 --> 00:25:14,465
Speaker 4: And I think it still kind of shows like in

621
00:25:14,505 --> 00:25:17,865
Speaker 4: this new season, we do see Carrie like attaching significance

622
00:25:17,905 --> 00:25:20,505
Speaker 4: to like a Vivian Westwood dress that she thought was

623
00:25:20,545 --> 00:25:22,945
Speaker 4: too special to wear, and then she wears when she

624
00:25:22,985 --> 00:25:24,585
Speaker 4: wants to go meet this writer she's got a crush

625
00:25:24,625 --> 00:25:25,105
Speaker 4: on because.

626
00:25:24,905 --> 00:25:27,065
Speaker 1: She she's learned the life is sure, yeah, and.

627
00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:29,945
Speaker 4: She's ready for the moment. And you see her again

628
00:25:29,985 --> 00:25:32,025
Speaker 4: go off in these like beautiful gowns to meet her

629
00:25:32,065 --> 00:25:34,665
Speaker 4: friends and very kind of big on the accessories, And

630
00:25:35,025 --> 00:25:37,105
Speaker 4: it does feel like it stays true to the Carrie

631
00:25:37,145 --> 00:25:39,385
Speaker 4: Bradshaw's style. It's just reflecting where she is now.

632
00:25:39,545 --> 00:25:41,785
Speaker 2: Right exactly and me as mid forties. Trust me, you

633
00:25:41,785 --> 00:25:43,745
Speaker 2: get to a point where you give zero FUCKX that

634
00:25:43,865 --> 00:25:46,785
Speaker 2: goes both ways. Sometimes it's literally attracksit that hasn't been

635
00:25:46,825 --> 00:25:48,345
Speaker 2: wa washed for three months, that I had a spraytang

636
00:25:48,385 --> 00:25:50,345
Speaker 2: in it. And sometimes it is a ball gown in

637
00:25:50,465 --> 00:25:53,185
Speaker 2: very coffee And I kind of like that. Before we

638
00:25:53,225 --> 00:25:55,745
Speaker 2: get into bougie and budget, can I ask you, did

639
00:25:55,785 --> 00:25:58,145
Speaker 2: you have a favorite character or do you have a

640
00:25:58,185 --> 00:26:01,225
Speaker 2: favorite character and has it changed through their thirty years?

641
00:26:01,425 --> 00:26:04,985
Speaker 4: Oh? I mean it's hard because I loved all of

642
00:26:05,025 --> 00:26:07,665
Speaker 4: them from the start, which I feel is like just

643
00:26:07,745 --> 00:26:10,465
Speaker 4: maybe like a goody two shoes answer that I loved.

644
00:26:10,665 --> 00:26:13,785
Speaker 4: I loved like Charlotte's romanticism for the world. I love

645
00:26:13,825 --> 00:26:16,865
Speaker 4: Miranda's smarts. And again, I think Samantha is the best

646
00:26:16,865 --> 00:26:19,865
Speaker 4: friend you could have. But I do relate to carry

647
00:26:20,145 --> 00:26:20,745
Speaker 4: the most.

648
00:26:20,945 --> 00:26:22,345
Speaker 1: But about fashion wise.

649
00:26:22,225 --> 00:26:24,945
Speaker 4: Passion wise, oh I wish. I mean again, I've tried

650
00:26:24,985 --> 00:26:26,825
Speaker 4: to dress like Carry over the years in a way,

651
00:26:27,145 --> 00:26:29,025
Speaker 4: I don't think my taste is that eclectic. I think

652
00:26:29,025 --> 00:26:31,505
Speaker 4: more of a Samantha. I think it's like power Blazer, Yeah,

653
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Speaker 4: I see that for series. I think that kind of

654
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Speaker 4: power dressing is what I relate to the most, and

655
00:26:37,425 --> 00:26:38,985
Speaker 4: also at the end of the day most comfortable. She's

656
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Speaker 4: often in a suit and I was like, that woman can.

657
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Speaker 2: Move, Yeah, totally, and a bold accessory you added on

658
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Speaker 2: and it looks like you put so much effort. Mine has

659
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Speaker 2: to be Miranda, not in just like that, not because

660
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Speaker 2: of everything that happened with her then, but in Sex

661
00:26:52,265 --> 00:26:54,305
Speaker 2: and the City. I just and maybe now because that

662
00:26:54,505 --> 00:26:57,985
Speaker 2: whole kind of nineties and Hite two K's having a resurgence.

663
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Speaker 2: It maybe was a bit daggy back then, but I

664
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Speaker 2: don't know, Like it's just I just loved Miranda, and

665
00:27:04,745 --> 00:27:07,025
Speaker 2: I love what you are and I will always love her.

666
00:27:07,265 --> 00:27:07,665
Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 4: I love that Miranda had a puge Riss surgeons with

668
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Speaker 4: that we should like with every outfit girls writing that

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Speaker 4: we shall be Miranda's and all of a sudden everyone

670
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Speaker 4: loved her. Do you have a favorite Miranda look or

671
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Speaker 4: a favorite season?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean I love I just love Steve.

673
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Speaker 1: I think, I just like, I.

674
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Speaker 4: Actually just want to be Miranda and marry Steve.

675
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Speaker 2: I know, but then do I And then he gets

676
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Speaker 2: really fit. She's I can't remember exactly what it was,

677
00:27:28,425 --> 00:27:30,705
Speaker 2: but there was a few kind of brown blazes she

678
00:27:30,785 --> 00:27:33,785
Speaker 2: wore just from what I remember, some good knits.

679
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Speaker 1: Like you said as.

680
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Speaker 4: Well, I just autumn tone. She always looks gorgeous.

681
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Speaker 2: Look if I could play with any of their wardrobes,

682
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say no.

683
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it's very expensive. How wondre.

684
00:27:56,865 --> 00:27:59,985
Speaker 2: Onto boogie and budget, my friend? So our vibe for

685
00:28:00,065 --> 00:28:03,185
Speaker 2: this episode is Sex and the City. Inspired something we

686
00:28:03,265 --> 00:28:05,705
Speaker 2: might have bought in the past, or looking at, or

687
00:28:05,785 --> 00:28:09,105
Speaker 2: just something that you know, Like you say, inspired by

688
00:28:09,105 --> 00:28:11,025
Speaker 2: Sex and the City, you can get to your fancy

689
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Speaker 2: events after work.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with your bougie or your budget.

691
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Speaker 4: I stuff my budget because I'll say, my bougie is

692
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Speaker 4: like the dessert. Yes, love it.

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Speaker 1: What's your budget?

694
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Speaker 4: So it's a skirt that I've recently purchased a second

695
00:28:22,305 --> 00:28:24,625
Speaker 4: one off. So I bought this skirt a few years ago.

696
00:28:24,945 --> 00:28:26,865
Speaker 4: And talking about the ten percent that you reached for

697
00:28:26,905 --> 00:28:29,185
Speaker 4: in your closet, I've reached this multiple times a day

698
00:28:29,465 --> 00:28:31,985
Speaker 4: to the point where when I do have to wash it,

699
00:28:32,025 --> 00:28:34,385
Speaker 4: I'm sometimes in a panic. So recently the other day

700
00:28:34,425 --> 00:28:35,865
Speaker 4: I bought another one. I'm also like, what if it

701
00:28:35,865 --> 00:28:37,465
Speaker 4: gets lost on a plane or something, and I.

702
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Speaker 3: Don't have it.

703
00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:40,625
Speaker 4: So it's the Solar skirt. So it's a long black

704
00:28:40,665 --> 00:28:44,505
Speaker 4: Maxi skirt from an Australian label called Fate very Size Inclusive.

705
00:28:44,505 --> 00:28:46,265
Speaker 4: They got to a size twenty four. Their stuff is

706
00:28:46,305 --> 00:28:48,865
Speaker 4: lovely and at the outset you might think like, oh,

707
00:28:48,865 --> 00:28:51,385
Speaker 4: a black Maxi skirt, that's not that Sex and the City.

708
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Speaker 4: But why I kind of And I guess it's also

709
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Speaker 4: something that all the different characters would wear. But the

710
00:28:56,225 --> 00:28:58,425
Speaker 4: reason I call it my Sex and the City piece

711
00:28:58,585 --> 00:29:00,945
Speaker 4: is that I use it to layer. It's almost not

712
00:29:01,025 --> 00:29:03,145
Speaker 4: those pieces that kind of fades away to nothing where

713
00:29:03,185 --> 00:29:05,785
Speaker 4: I layer, like the really fancy tops and the glittery

714
00:29:05,825 --> 00:29:08,705
Speaker 4: heels and the blazing right foundation. It's the foundation piece.

715
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Speaker 2: So yes, for your job, I have to just tell you.

716
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Speaker 2: There's an Australian brand called Dirt. It's kind of like

717
00:29:14,345 --> 00:29:17,545
Speaker 2: a fabreeze, but it's fancier and it smells like perfume.

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00:29:17,865 --> 00:29:18,585
Speaker 4: I don't know about that.

719
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Speaker 2: And it's antibacterial as well. It's meant to be a

720
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Speaker 2: travel spray for when you want to weave you go again.

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Speaker 2: Everything of mine is dirted. It doesn't sound very sexy

722
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Speaker 2: as a brand. We'll put a link in the show

723
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Speaker 2: notes the amount of jackets I disprayed the pits or something.

724
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Speaker 2: You know. I pull it up a wash and I go, oh,

725
00:29:32,505 --> 00:29:34,265
Speaker 2: need to like it's filthy.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, we just in one more. You just in

727
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Speaker 4: one more wear.

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Speaker 2: That will change your life. Add that to your work order.

729
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Speaker 2: Will Oh, yeah, it's very good. Good tip, all right,

730
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Speaker 2: my budget. Look, it's not that cheap, but it was

731
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Speaker 2: worn by Carrie in season two. She wore a very

732
00:29:48,705 --> 00:29:53,945
Speaker 2: iconic light blue, one shoulder kind of rouchey dress. The

733
00:29:54,105 --> 00:29:57,185
Speaker 2: designer is normal Kmalie, and you can get it in

734
00:29:57,665 --> 00:30:00,705
Speaker 2: literally any color. About eight years ago, I bought it

735
00:30:00,745 --> 00:30:03,625
Speaker 2: on the out net when was on sale in lime green.

736
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Speaker 2: Don't ask me why. I think that color is particularly discounted,

737
00:30:07,705 --> 00:30:08,985
Speaker 2: and that's all I could afford at the time.

738
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Speaker 1: But it's still around.

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Speaker 2: You can get it for about one hundred and fifty

740
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Speaker 2: bucks on the outmet. It's on Netaporter at the moment.

741
00:30:15,825 --> 00:30:19,065
Speaker 2: They make it every single season in a jersey and

742
00:30:19,105 --> 00:30:20,745
Speaker 2: then sort of more of a slinky one. You can

743
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Speaker 2: even get it in a leather. So originally it's about

744
00:30:23,225 --> 00:30:25,585
Speaker 2: four hundred, you can get for like one hundred one hundred.

745
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Speaker 1: And fifty dollars. I've still got it.

746
00:30:27,505 --> 00:30:31,025
Speaker 2: It's got a built in body suit leg thingy, not

747
00:30:31,145 --> 00:30:34,385
Speaker 2: size inclusive. From what I believe, it's French sizing, but

748
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Speaker 2: I'll have it forever. I've actually tried to wear it

749
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Speaker 2: recently again, but then I don't know. Maybe now that

750
00:30:39,665 --> 00:30:41,745
Speaker 2: we're back in this vibe, I love it. I just

751
00:30:41,785 --> 00:30:43,345
Speaker 2: we shouldn't get the green. But she wore it in

752
00:30:43,385 --> 00:30:46,785
Speaker 2: season two, which would have been washed nineteen ninety eight. Yes,

753
00:30:47,105 --> 00:30:49,025
Speaker 2: and normal Kamali is still making it. Oh.

754
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Speaker 4: I love that. A truly timeless fashion.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to put in my archive, like with three

756
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Speaker 2: other things like sjp's massive archive.

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Speaker 1: All right, what's your bougie.

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Speaker 4: This is a new brand that's only come out in

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Speaker 4: the last year and it's called a Range and I

760
00:31:01,425 --> 00:31:04,025
Speaker 4: buy it fire asos, so unfortunately you can't try it on.

761
00:31:04,305 --> 00:31:06,505
Speaker 4: It's a UK brand, but it is the first time

762
00:31:06,505 --> 00:31:08,865
Speaker 4: I found a brand of plus size and they do

763
00:31:08,865 --> 00:31:11,185
Speaker 4: street sizing twos so through from a six to a thirty.

764
00:31:11,345 --> 00:31:13,545
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's impressive and just very these.

765
00:31:13,465 --> 00:31:18,105
Speaker 4: Very opulent fashion moments like beautiful studded gowns, lace scowns,

766
00:31:18,425 --> 00:31:20,905
Speaker 4: sequence skirts, so It's a very opulent range, and the

767
00:31:20,905 --> 00:31:23,345
Speaker 4: first time I've seen sort of Sex and the City

768
00:31:23,425 --> 00:31:26,585
Speaker 4: inspired clothes from a size six through to a size

769
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Speaker 4: thirty at a fairly reasonable price point from what it is.

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00:31:30,665 --> 00:31:32,265
Speaker 4: You know, some of the pieces are at four hundred,

771
00:31:32,345 --> 00:31:34,265
Speaker 4: five hundred dollars and then some of them more around

772
00:31:34,265 --> 00:31:37,025
Speaker 4: one hundred dollars range. But they have these like beautiful

773
00:31:37,105 --> 00:31:40,425
Speaker 4: kind of studded gowns and like silk gowns and beautiful

774
00:31:40,505 --> 00:31:44,945
Speaker 4: lace tops, and this gold sequence skirt that is just

775
00:31:45,305 --> 00:31:47,545
Speaker 4: the this Sex and the City dream. I've always had

776
00:31:47,585 --> 00:31:49,985
Speaker 4: to wear something that opulent behind it.

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00:31:50,105 --> 00:31:52,905
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you've bought a dress, I gonna buy the skirt.

778
00:31:53,145 --> 00:31:55,585
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna buy the skirt. It's so wildly

779
00:31:55,625 --> 00:31:58,345
Speaker 4: and practical. But I also just think I'm gonna wear

780
00:31:58,345 --> 00:32:00,425
Speaker 4: it to the office with like a white T shirt.

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00:32:00,505 --> 00:32:01,745
Speaker 1: You have the most glamorous job.

782
00:32:02,625 --> 00:32:04,225
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna wear it to my next Don could

783
00:32:04,225 --> 00:32:06,185
Speaker 4: be more dressed up than the movie star I'm chatting to.

784
00:32:06,385 --> 00:32:08,825
Speaker 4: So again, they have really beautiful basics and things, but

785
00:32:08,865 --> 00:32:11,745
Speaker 4: I think it is the I bought this like studded

786
00:32:11,865 --> 00:32:15,585
Speaker 4: kind of like a lime green long sleeved gown and

787
00:32:15,665 --> 00:32:18,545
Speaker 4: all of these just really beautiful pieces that just weren't available.

788
00:32:18,705 --> 00:32:21,065
Speaker 4: So and I'm finding the quality from the pieces I

789
00:32:21,145 --> 00:32:22,905
Speaker 4: bought so far from that I've bought like a lace

790
00:32:22,945 --> 00:32:25,785
Speaker 4: top and a lace stress. The quality really beautiful, the

791
00:32:25,825 --> 00:32:28,545
Speaker 4: fit really beautiful. It's lovely to be able to size

792
00:32:28,585 --> 00:32:30,265
Speaker 4: up and down if you need, and just to like

793
00:32:30,305 --> 00:32:33,105
Speaker 4: wear something so special that feels like it came from

794
00:32:33,145 --> 00:32:34,065
Speaker 4: a designer showroom.

795
00:32:34,145 --> 00:32:34,425
Speaker 1: Yeah.

796
00:32:34,505 --> 00:32:35,665
Speaker 4: So Arrange is the.

797
00:32:35,585 --> 00:32:38,385
Speaker 2: Brand change and it's on Aesos. Yes, amazing. Oh my god,

798
00:32:38,385 --> 00:32:39,345
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to have a look. I mean, you

799
00:32:39,345 --> 00:32:40,105
Speaker 2: show me a few pictures.

800
00:32:40,145 --> 00:32:41,825
Speaker 4: I need to see that. I got too excited.

801
00:32:42,025 --> 00:32:42,745
Speaker 1: No, I love it.

802
00:32:42,825 --> 00:32:46,025
Speaker 2: Okay, my bougie, I would never buy, but I just

803
00:32:46,785 --> 00:32:49,825
Speaker 2: am fascinated and loved it. And it's horrific and awful

804
00:32:49,865 --> 00:32:50,465
Speaker 2: and so ugly.

805
00:32:51,065 --> 00:32:51,905
Speaker 1: The J. W.

806
00:32:52,065 --> 00:32:57,145
Speaker 2: Anderson Pigeon clutch. Yes, so Kerry had this in season

807
00:32:57,225 --> 00:32:58,985
Speaker 2: two and just like that.

808
00:32:59,505 --> 00:33:01,345
Speaker 1: I love J. W. Andison.

809
00:33:01,385 --> 00:33:03,865
Speaker 2: He is a phenomenal designer and I have a few

810
00:33:03,905 --> 00:33:07,985
Speaker 2: bags of his before he became cool. When they're about

811
00:33:08,025 --> 00:33:09,665
Speaker 2: six hundred dollars, but then I'd wait for them to

812
00:33:09,785 --> 00:33:11,545
Speaker 2: on the outnet and by the color. No one onted

813
00:33:11,905 --> 00:33:15,545
Speaker 2: with freeh then she you know he's now he's the

814
00:33:15,625 --> 00:33:17,505
Speaker 2: designer of Dior or something. Now one of the big

815
00:33:17,545 --> 00:33:20,985
Speaker 2: ones often does a collaboration with Uniclow there's one at

816
00:33:20,985 --> 00:33:25,145
Speaker 2: the moment. But this pigeon bag is exactly as it sounds,

817
00:33:25,185 --> 00:33:29,385
Speaker 2: a small, hard, almost like statue of a pigeon with

818
00:33:29,425 --> 00:33:31,345
Speaker 2: a small little bit that opens and you can put

819
00:33:31,385 --> 00:33:33,825
Speaker 2: like one key and maybe a left liner in it.

820
00:33:33,985 --> 00:33:37,585
Speaker 2: So impractical, but I think it speaks to where Carrie

821
00:33:37,705 --> 00:33:40,545
Speaker 2: was at that point, Like, you know, she had lots

822
00:33:40,585 --> 00:33:42,905
Speaker 2: of money, she didn't really need to carry anything. Carrie

823
00:33:42,905 --> 00:33:44,785
Speaker 2: famously never really liked a phone. She didn't have to

824
00:33:44,785 --> 00:33:46,945
Speaker 2: fit a phone in there. No, but it's you know,

825
00:33:47,145 --> 00:33:51,265
Speaker 2: well over a thousand dollars. Then, strangely, given the name JWP,

826
00:33:51,825 --> 00:33:54,265
Speaker 2: which is another designer I like that makes more affordable bags,

827
00:33:54,265 --> 00:33:57,185
Speaker 2: has done an almost exact tube for a couple of

828
00:33:57,305 --> 00:34:01,905
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. Confusing, there's two JW's there, and also does

829
00:34:02,185 --> 00:34:06,305
Speaker 2: a cat, a unicorn. You know, lots of different strange

830
00:34:06,345 --> 00:34:09,265
Speaker 2: animal bags, but we're seeing a huge resurgence of these

831
00:34:09,905 --> 00:34:13,385
Speaker 2: almost fantastical character to of bags and it's just a

832
00:34:13,385 --> 00:34:16,705
Speaker 2: bit of joy after you know, a lot of seriousness

833
00:34:16,705 --> 00:34:19,265
Speaker 2: in the world, and you know the quiet luxury trend,

834
00:34:19,305 --> 00:34:22,185
Speaker 2: which was lovely and I, you know, I dress quite classically,

835
00:34:22,185 --> 00:34:24,225
Speaker 2: but it's a bit boring. I just love looking at

836
00:34:24,265 --> 00:34:26,785
Speaker 2: these things exactly. I'm never gonna buy it. I just

837
00:34:26,825 --> 00:34:30,185
Speaker 2: think it's kind of ridiculous, But I love that there's

838
00:34:30,425 --> 00:34:33,145
Speaker 2: art out there in fashion. And if you don't want

839
00:34:33,185 --> 00:34:34,945
Speaker 2: either of those, but you want to get on the

840
00:34:34,945 --> 00:34:38,385
Speaker 2: bag charm trend because everyone's wearing sort of bag charms,

841
00:34:38,545 --> 00:34:40,345
Speaker 2: get your regular good old black bag.

842
00:34:40,465 --> 00:34:41,785
Speaker 1: And then there's this really.

843
00:34:41,585 --> 00:34:44,305
Speaker 2: Cute pigeon caring on Amazon and it's cheapest chips. So

844
00:34:44,305 --> 00:34:46,185
Speaker 2: we're gonna put all of those in the show notes.

845
00:34:46,225 --> 00:34:49,905
Speaker 2: But if you want a pigeon to carry in some form,

846
00:34:49,985 --> 00:34:50,945
Speaker 2: you've got three options.

847
00:34:50,985 --> 00:34:54,465
Speaker 4: Well I kind of do now. Well, so much joy

848
00:34:54,545 --> 00:34:56,585
Speaker 4: to carry a tiny pigeon in your hands.

849
00:34:56,825 --> 00:34:59,105
Speaker 2: As long as it's not a life like that woman

850
00:34:59,105 --> 00:35:02,585
Speaker 2: who kidnapped Love Seagull. Yeah, Laura, Oh my gosh, it's

851
00:35:02,625 --> 00:35:04,465
Speaker 2: such a wealth of knowledge. I do not know how

852
00:35:04,505 --> 00:35:06,585
Speaker 2: you fit all of that in your brain for every

853
00:35:06,665 --> 00:35:09,225
Speaker 2: show and movie, and it's just phenomenal. So thank you

854
00:35:09,265 --> 00:35:10,465
Speaker 2: for joining. That was awesome.

855
00:35:10,465 --> 00:35:12,505
Speaker 4: Oh thanks for having me to talk about the greatest

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00:35:12,505 --> 00:35:13,225
Speaker 4: show on TV.

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00:35:14,025 --> 00:35:16,225
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me, and don't forget.

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Speaker 2: If you want more fashion, you can follow us on

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Speaker 2: Instagram and we have our very own nothing to a

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