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Speaker 1: the final episode of caste eas for this Blood Versus

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Speaker 1: Water edition of Survivor Australia. I'm so excited to have

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Speaker 1: with me this soul Survivor Mark Wales's husband to my

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Speaker 1: dear friend Sammy Gash, with some background contributions from their

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Speaker 1: beautiful son Harry MARKI welcome back to Cca.

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Speaker 2: It's been a little while, hasn't it. Oh my, it's

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Speaker 2: been a hot minute since we last chatted.

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Speaker 1: Such a hot minute, such a full hot minute, since

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Speaker 1: episode forty six guys in twenty nineteen. If you want

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Speaker 1: to hear Mark's full story, go back and listen to it.

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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite episodes ever. We go into

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Speaker 1: all of the background that led you to this moment,

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Speaker 1: but obviously, like you have become the cel survivor since Sana,

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Speaker 2: It only took me five years of but we finally

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Speaker 2: as well, but you know, we finally have it. I

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Speaker 2: can't believe that was twenty nineteen when we last did this.

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Speaker 1: I know. It's bananas, bananas.

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Speaker 2: Actually that was when because we're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 2: the brandom stuff I've been up to in my previous careers,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, I remember saying I should write it.

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Speaker 2: You absolutely need to write about it, And that was

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's right. Yeah, remember, Yeah, I was like, dude,

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Speaker 1: how do you not have like a book, a movie,

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Speaker 1: for anyone who hasn't already realized, Mark's book is actually

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Speaker 1: called Survivor, which is just a beautiful full circle.

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Speaker 2: I think I was manifesting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's been just over a week literally since

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Speaker 1: your second season of Survivor came to an end and

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Speaker 1: Like We've just been talking a little bit on air

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Speaker 2: Bit or not really, not really, because you have the

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Speaker 2: then the final two episodes just went really quick. It

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Speaker 1: That's so wild. I kind of imagine like that dissonance

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Speaker 2: It's crazy how much it takes out of your life.

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Speaker 1: And I was just saying to you before we started

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's kind of a fairy tale ending to

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Speaker 2: I reckon you'll see Sammy again. But for us as

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Speaker 2: Gryll said this. He's like, you have a dream. He goes,

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Speaker 2: there's always a like a dream, and there's the death

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Speaker 2: And I feel like that's kind of what happened here.

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Speaker 1: Probably you definitely had unfinished business there. And I think

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Speaker 1: to start with. Sharena Marina great name, asked, did you

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Speaker 2: So the way they do it is that you got

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Speaker 2: I'm like, we actually doing this now, are we? Because

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Speaker 2: normally they have a reunion episode or there's something else.

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Speaker 2: But they like started going through the votes and they

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Speaker 1: Harry is telling what his vote was. Okay, I know

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Speaker 1: you were on the TV too, Harry.

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Speaker 1: So much air time. I love it. He's a star

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Speaker 2: Oh it's crazy. And they said we won, and then

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Speaker 2: We were recording three endings and we're going to do

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Speaker 2: We're going to go back. It's going to be reunion episode.

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Speaker 2: But there wasn't. They filmed it. They told us the

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Speaker 2: We met the execs up there and had great lunch

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Speaker 2: And I was really proud of that. I didn't know,

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Speaker 1: My god, that is extraordinary. Like, I had no idea

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Speaker 2: Then yeah, they had we recognized votes from previous tribal

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. And so then so just because I

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Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy?

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Speaker 1: So the second part of that from Katie Kilgore was

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Speaker 2: So firstly, I wasn't expecting to get all the votes

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Speaker 2: think COVID really threw it into disarray because ordinarily they

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Speaker 1: Oh little by, And of course Sammy's back at Larapinta.

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Speaker 2: We didn't care about whether it was viewable TV or not.

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Speaker 2: That's what I thought. There's kind of two ways I

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Speaker 1: I was just trying to dull my hotness down, you know.

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Speaker 2: of that, But also the part that I felt a

435
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 2: bit bad about was with Chrissy and Shay and also Josh.

436
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 2: Zero votes doesn't mean zero game. They did play a

437
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: really good game. I feel like I just had them

438
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 2: in a couple of other categories that collectively made for

439
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 2: an easier vote, and they each played really, really strongly

440
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 2: in their own fields. Chrissy played probably the best social

441
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 2: game that Australians have ever seen. Shay was the same.

442
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,959
Speaker 2: I think she won four individual communities.

443
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: She's a weapon.

444
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: Just doing my head in whinning all the challenges. God

445
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 2: did you see my face when I.

446
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, that is not okay. He's not okay today,

447
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: cranky face. That is not Mark's happy face. I also

448
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: was so proud of Chrissy because like, I don't even

449
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: know her, but because in the first episode she was like,

450
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: do we go to tribal Council now? And I was like, babe,

451
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't watch reality TV. I only watch it when

452
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: my friends are on it, and like it is a

453
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: full time job to watch the show. But even I

454
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: know more about when like Tribal Council is coming and

455
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: dry Villa is coming. So she went came such a

456
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: long way.

457
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where she was good and I can't

458
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: pick this up early. I'm like, yeah, she doesn't fully

459
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: know the game, but she's also really clever and she's

460
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 2: a fast learner, and she's not as goofy as she

461
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 2: makes out. She's smart, she's hard working, she reads situations well,

462
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: she reads people well, she gets a lot of information,

463
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 2: so sheation a lot of information she knew was going

464
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: on for the most part, So she did really well

465
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: in a bunch of other areas. And I feel like

466
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: if she had been able to articulate that with a

467
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: bit more as though her game is more deliberate. She

468
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: would have picked up more boats for sure, because she

469
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 2: did play a better game than what she explained.

470
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,400
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484
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: experience because you were just there for like forty seven

485
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 1: days or whatever it was. Stacy Young asked specifically, did

486
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: you pitch more about the two idols than what was shown?

487
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: But also just in general Are there any things other

488
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: than you mentioned, like some of your social game that

489
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: didn't get shown that you thought would in the Final

490
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: Trouble or just generally.

491
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so definitely the social game that I'd had

492
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: wasn't shown. The relationship that I'd had with Josh and

493
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: Chrissy wasn't shown, which I feel like if they'd done

494
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: that early, just for a little bit, it would have

495
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: made the end game a bit more interesting. And then

496
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: what else wasn't shown? In Tribal Council. I did a

497
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: lot of work on being conciliatory and like saying to

498
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: them all, like I haven't spoken to you for weeks,

499
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 2: Like I want to speak to each one of you,

500
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: and I talk to each person just briefly to talk

501
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 2: about what they meant to me during the game and

502
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: how I thought thread or and I just feel like it.

503
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: People liked being acknowledged because they played equally well. They

504
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: wanted to be sitting where I was, but for whatever reason,

505
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: they weren't, and that I think people just want to

506
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: be acknowledged, So that helped. And it was also I

507
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: also high the flaws in my game. I was like, look,

508
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: I made a lot of mistakes. I played that second aisle.

509
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: It was a total dud play. I offended half the jury,

510
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: you know, I was attacked people. You know, I said

511
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: all sorts of things that I wasn't proud of during

512
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: the game, just because you're exhausted in you, you know,

513
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 2: And that's how it kind of unfolds. But I explained

514
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: that to them, like I didn't play a perfect game,

515
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: but here are the things I did do that I

516
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: can claim ownership of, and just listed those out.

517
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: What about the fact. So this, this is most interesting

518
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: to me because I think this is why I would

519
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: be a terrible candidate for the game, is that you know,

520
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm like a so bad at confrontation. I will avoid

521
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: confrontation at all It's like at all costs, Like, no

522
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: matter what I'm sacrificing in the process, I will avoid

523
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: any kind of awkwardness.

524
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: Just run underwater.

525
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'd just be like I quit like bye on

526
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: day one, Likes when Andy got voted out with Andy

527
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: who got voted out on like day one, I cried,

528
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: don't even know him, don't even care, just was like

529
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: you vulnerable, Like I couldn't do with it. So it's

530
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: how did you cope with? Like and particularly when it came.

531
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: You probably avoided straight up lying until the very end

532
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: with Josh, when you were like, naw, I got this,

533
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: how do you do that? Like, I know everyone's like, oh,

534
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: it's a game, but like in the moment, it's not

535
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: a game. In the moment, they're the only people you're seeing.

536
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: And then also post purgatory, when all these people who

537
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: just like you thought had gone come back, like how

538
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: did you right? Like I would literally I think I'd

539
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: explode on fire, Like I think I'd combust my whole being.

540
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: Wouldn't cope with it, just be like, oh yay, I'm

541
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: going how do you deal with that?

542
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: I think at the start it's really awkward because you're

543
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: getting used to the game. You haven't been out there

544
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: as long, you haven't shed off some of the old

545
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: behaviors that you've got in the in the real world.

546
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: And I think once you play for a bit and

547
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: you see a few people get cut and you you know,

548
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: some of your mates get cut, then you're like, oh, no,

549
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: let's play. I'm happy to play. And then you start

550
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: getting a bit more underhanded, I think, and you're not

551
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: as you don't have as many issues with it because

552
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: you know people are doing it to you. And so

553
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: that's where, like you see people started to come to

554
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: life and be like, oh no, I'm going to take

555
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: you guys out. And I saw that, you know, I

556
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: saw that with different characters like Kja's Juicy Dave, they

557
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: all like started to coming to life. I'm like, all right,

558
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: let's get them right.

559
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: Like it's weird. I don't know, Like I don't know

560
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: how your brain adjusted to like, yes, it's a game,

561
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: but also it's all you've got when you're there, because

562
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: like everything else in your life is removed, So it's

563
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: not really a game while you're there, because.

564
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 2: It is. You've got a lot of time thinks. It's

565
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: kind of everything to the people that you're tied with,

566
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: they're your real friends. They're your real friends even in

567
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: the game. And for me, I spent ages thinking what

568
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 2: happens if I have to go against Josh. I'm just

569
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: going to have to I'm just going to have to

570
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: do what I don't really want to do. Otherwise, why

571
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: have I've been here for six weeks you know what

572
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: I mean? Or eight weeks away from Harry. Yeah, And

573
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: that's what I kept taking it back to. I'm like

574
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: the reason you played this game was because you wanted

575
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: to win. You hear you're away from Harry Sam's game

576
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: has also been given up, so you've just got to

577
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: do it. I would have been doing a disservice to

578
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: to definitely to myself but to my family too if

579
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: I hadn't have just bitten the bullet and done the

580
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: hard thing at the wrong time.

581
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: What did you enjoy the most and what did you

582
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: hate the most? Like what was your hardest challenge or

583
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: what were the most Yeah, because particularly things that didn't

584
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: really make it onto the show, like off camera, the.

585
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: Best bits was just the span to call over the challenges.

586
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: They were so they were so big, they were so terrifying,

587
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: they were so much fun that when you stand there

588
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: and see me, you're like, wow, it's just full on

589
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: and it's inspiring because you see people doing things they

590
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: didn't think they could do. You know, for me, I

591
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: can kind of do this stuff. I've done the train before,

592
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: but some people have just never seen it, and you

593
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: see them doing things that they just like like, oh,

594
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: I'd never thought I could do that, and that that

595
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: to me was good fun. And then what was hard

596
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: I think the hardest bit was probably the first week

597
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: when I realized, I'm like, oh, we might what happens

598
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: if we make the merge and we're gonna be away

599
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: from Harry the whole time? And I think that really

600
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: played in my mind for a bit. Yeah, And I

601
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: remember saying to sound like, I'm not sure if I

602
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: can do it if we're here the whole time, like

603
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: both of you, Yeah, and she was like, we're here,

604
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: let's just get it done. I'm like, yep, yep, my god.

605
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: I also think the funniest thing is like, when you're

606
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: a couple, you need to kind of discuss things that

607
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: have happened since the last time you were able to speak.

608
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Like I think people forget that you didn't actually see

609
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: each other. When you're separate before merge, you don't know

610
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: what's happened. You have no time to catch up. And

611
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: so then when you're finally together, obviously your strategy has

612
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: got to change based on what's happened since and who's

613
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: got alliances with who, and like blah blah blah. But

614
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: having to argue on actional television like Nick and I

615
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: would not survive. I feel like the nation would just

616
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: hate us so much if we had to do it

617
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: in a dignified way with cameras on us.

618
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: It was yeah, And when it was unfolding, I was like, no, no,

619
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: let's go get more cameras in, get more microphones. We

620
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: want to we want you to watch us arguing on

621
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: national TV. They were like running in. I was just like,

622
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: this is not going to be good. But you know,

623
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: the funny thing is, you don't have time. Like you

624
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: step behind a bush, You've got probably sixty seconds before

625
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 2: people start really paying attention to what you're doing, and

626
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: so you just don't have time for the niceties and

627
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: the kind of indirect conversation. And that's why when we

628
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: were talking it came across as quite abrupt, because we're

629
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: just trying to get to the point quickly and it's

630
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: hard to sort out an argument in a short period

631
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: of time. But yeah, I mean that was the benefit

632
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: of having two good alliances and two games come together.

633
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. In those moments, I was just like,

634
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: you guys are doing so well, Like we could not

635
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: do this on national television and keep so calm. But

636
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: also I think everyone forgets you're actually not getting secret

637
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: food on the side, You're not getting secret showers or

638
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: anything like by the end, I like, you're deliriously hungry

639
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: and exhausted and at your worst physical state that you've

640
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: been forty seven days into just eating rice. How like

641
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: what was some of the behind the scenes on the body?

642
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: Like how much weight did you lose? And then also

643
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: every time someone got to eat KFC or something, they

644
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: would have had the worst hits for like twenty four

645
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: to forty eight hours after not having eaten and then

646
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: suddenly eating KFC, Like how did your body deal with it?

647
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: The funny thing is your body just goes bang and

648
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: absorbs all of it. So just because you're so starved,

649
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: I feel like your body just hangs on to everything. Yeah,

650
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: but it was it was physically draining, and I think

651
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: for me, I was really proud of really the endgame,

652
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: like the five though, and even the final episode, because

653
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: we're so exhausted and to come up I was in

654
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: deep trouble. To come up with a decent plan and

655
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: to execute it under those conditions was really good.

656
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: Could you even think like what? Oh yeah, and how

657
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: much weight did you lose? I know Sammy lost all,

658
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: but like she sent me a photo when she first

659
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: came off, and I was like ooh, dude, I.

660
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: Lost seventeen KOs.

661
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: Seventeen Yeah, oh my god. Were you hungry the whole

662
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: time or just thinking about it?

663
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: That was how much Harry Wade when we left, I'm.

664
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: Like, one whole sun? How do you function? Are you

665
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: just so distracted by Honker the whole time?

666
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: You get used to it, like you're you're eating probably

667
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: a handful of rice and a few beans each meal,

668
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: and then there's no other food.

669
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: Around, so you kind of not you don't think about it.

670
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: You don't really think about it. You get hungry, definitely,

671
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: but over time you kind of you kind of adapt

672
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: to it. And I think when I got home, I

673
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: remember thinking, like, we eat so much food in the

674
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: in the West, Like we eat way more than we

675
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: need to. Yeah, and I'm guilty. I eat twice as

676
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: much food and calories I probably need to because I've

677
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: done very little for you know, months, and it's it's doable.

678
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh. That's behind us. That you just

679
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: adjust to, like whatever's in your like, do you have enough?

680
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: Can you do have other limited water?

681
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? You can have as much war as you want.

682
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: There's a well there you just yeah, which is important

683
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: because it's so hot.

684
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: And do you have clocks? Do you have any idea

685
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: what time it is?

686
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: There are there's no camp clock hanging off the treeh

687
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 2: damn it.

688
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: So you have no idea what time it is?

689
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: Your son?

690
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: Just like God, you're like full cave man.

691
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: You're like morning, midday that time. And at night you know,

692
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: you know the stars, you track the stars going across

693
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: the sky, so you're like big dipper, you know, early evening, midnight,

694
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: end of night, so you kind of you know what

695
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: time it is.

696
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: That's crazy. One of the things actually in the NT

697
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: with Sammy was last in April last year, was that

698
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: obviously we didn't have our phones and then we couldn't

699
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: recharge them anyway, so you couldn't even have them on

700
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: for the clock. And like one of the days, one

701
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: of the elders was like, do you want to eat now?

702
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, what time is it? I

703
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to eat because I need

704
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: to know, like if it's only eleven, I don't want

705
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: to in my food now because then like I'll be

706
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: hungry at two. And he's like, well, you don't need

707
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: to know what time he had a phone. He's like,

708
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: you don't need to know what time it is. Are

709
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: you hungry or not? And I was like what He's like, well,

710
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: are you hungry or not? That should dictate when you eat?

711
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know that whole language

712
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: that you're speaking. But without clocks, like, actually you kind

713
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: of actually listen to what your body's doing. You're not

714
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: forcing it into this system. Which has it been weird

715
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: for you? Like now it's your second time. I'm sure

716
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: you had practice the first time, but going back to

717
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: schedules and clocks and like access to everything you want

718
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: all the time, is it noisy and like overwhelming?

719
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: It is? Yeah, when you strip all that stuff away

720
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: and you're in nature and you're totally present, you realize

721
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 2: you stop and think just how much noise there is

722
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: in daily life? How much time is spent chasing your

723
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: tail doing things that aren't necessary and don't really bring

724
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: much value to your life anyway. And I think it's

725
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: the experience, does grand you like? I know? Where? I

726
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: like it's being with my friends and family and just

727
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: the simple things in life. And I think somehow we

728
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 2: do get trapped, We get stuck in that hanster wheel

729
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: sometimes and we think we want more stuff, so we

730
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: work more, and yeah, it doesn't bring what we're looking

731
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: for in life. I think what we really want in

732
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: life is belonging and love and you know, our friends.

733
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: That's worth a lot.

734
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Well, that was one of my last questions was, Yeah,

735
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: how's it changed your relationship with yourself, particularly this time round,

736
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: given that you maybe don't have the regrets or unfinished

737
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: business that you did last time.

738
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: I think the funny thing with this is that the

739
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: first time I've really encouraged myself to try and win,

740
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: to try and actually say no, no, this time, you're

741
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: going to try and win, and it's within your control

742
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: to do that, and don't be ashamed of that. Don't

743
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: be embarrassed about trying to win. I think in the

744
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 2: past I've maybe been embarrassed about trying to win something,

745
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: and this time I said, you've got to. I kind

746
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: of changed my mindset a bit. I'm like, you've got

747
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: to believe that you can do this, and you've got

748
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: to want to do this because if you don't, you

749
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: probably won't win. And I kind of I don't. I

750
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: visualize things a bit. It's important for goal setting, but

751
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: I didn't really visualize anything in this except for I

752
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 2: remember I watched I think it was Brains versus Brawl

753
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: last year. They had a really cool shot of Hayley

754
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: at the end when she was Soul Survivor. It was

755
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: just the part of her. It was just a bit

756
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: of footage of her standing in the frame at the

757
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: end of the show. And I was like, all right,

758
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to superimpose myself in that shot and that'll

759
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: be That'll be me imagining that. It's that that's what

760
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: I look like if I win, And that's all. That's

761
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: all I did. That's the only part that I thought about.

762
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: You know, if you win, it'll just be something I

763
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: never really gave myself permission to think about before in

764
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: my life. That's the first time I really have.

765
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: Wow, it's so fascinating. I think there's something in the

766
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: Australian psychology around like if you look like you're trying

767
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: too hard, it's kind of awkward, Like you want to

768
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: have this overly honed humility and like you want to

769
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: avoid the tall poppy syndrome. But you also just like

770
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: we also fear I think, you know, people talk about

771
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: fear of failure. I think we actually fear success. As well,

772
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: because it's like, h what does that mean? What does

773
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: it look like? Am I embarrassed that I'm trying hard

774
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: towards something like it's it would be backwards?

775
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think. I think sometimes, especially in Australia, you

776
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 2: are you are told to like don't don't stick out

777
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: too much, don't be a tall poppy, don't you know.

778
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 2: But I think that the mindset behind whatever you're doing,

779
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: what if you're trying to achieve, I think that mindset

780
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: is important. I think if you go in it with

781
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: a defeatist mindset, that's probably what will happen. Yeah, and

782
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: if you believe you can do it, then maybe you

783
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: will you know you will do it?

784
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely well. Very last question, it's kind of a

785
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: double barred question because might always are first is how

786
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: has the general response been, Like have there been some

787
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: awesome things that have happened or just like the nation

788
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: knows you know what you're made of now? But also

789
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: what do you want to do with that? What do

790
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: you want to do next?

791
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: Oh? I think the response was great, Like so many

792
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: people came out and just went wow, you know, really

793
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: proud of you. That's such a great thing. It's really

794
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: inspiring so that the response is really positive. And during

795
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: the show, when you're a player, even a controversial player,

796
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: you get a lot of negative stuff. And I think

797
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: that's just the classic case of a noisy minority, and

798
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: I was doing my best to ignore that. And I

799
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: think that when the end came, the majority came out

800
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: and kind of said, great, we love that, well done.

801
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 2: We were cheering for you. And I think it's easy

802
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: to forget that when you're in the show, So that

803
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: was good. I think what next. I think I'm about

804
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: to go and turn my attention to a couple of

805
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: projects I've been working on. One is kill Capture. We're

806
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: going to ramp that, keep ramping that up. Yeah, we're

807
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: really going to turn the juice onto that one because

808
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: we've got a great foundation. We're still building it, We've

809
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: got the right help, the brand has been great, and

810
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 2: I'm just going to keep working on the the work

811
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: I do around wellness, mental health, resilience, talking to companies

812
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: about that. I do it in the keynote. I've got

813
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: the book obviously I wrote, which centers a fair bit

814
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: on that, and now I've got a digital course. So

815
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: they're probably the two things that I do, and I

816
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: get the most kind of I get the most rewarded.

817
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: Harry's Howry thinks that you do?

818
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah that and yeah, that's it. And so that's professionally.

819
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: And then sam and I am just going to have

820
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: some time to just enjoy myself. We're going to head

821
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: to Queensland for a bit. We's going to take some

822
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: time off and shell.

823
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys absolutely deserve it. And I

824
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: snuck into her episode a little message for you to

825
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: take into the rest of your game, even though obviously

826
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: you were together by then, but for that episode onwards,

827
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: do you have a little secret message for Sammy just

828
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: about her game, anything you're proud of, or anything just

829
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: to say to her.

830
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 2: I think with Sammy, I watched her go from being

831
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 2: pretty devastated about what happened the first time she played

832
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: and really doubting herself to all of a sudden saying, no, no,

833
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: I'm going to play. I'm going to be good at this.

834
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to be one of the one of the

835
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: bigger hitters in this game. And she took herself from being,

836
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: you know, she's a compact person to being the biggest

837
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: player out there. And she fought hard she really did

838
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 2: an amazing job and she looked after me the whole time,

839
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: and the reason we won is because of her. And

840
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: I put a lot of hard work in as well,

841
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 2: but really it does the grand work that she did

842
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: in the game and then on the jury is what

843
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: got us the win. And I love her, I love.

844
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: Her, I love you both. You guys are the sweetest.

845
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: I love that you called her a compact person. Also,

846
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: it's hilarious that she's like one percent the size of you.

847
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite things in the world. And

848
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: that Harry was in like the one hundred and fifty

849
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: eighth percentile or whatever, just like this tiny person Like, Okay,

850
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm doing the math, it's not really working out.

851
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, drawing a bit of power from her little bubba.

852
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much, Markie. I'm so unbelievably proud

853
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: of you and happy for you both, happy for all

854
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,919
Speaker 1: of you, happy for your families. This is like such

855
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: an amazing full circle and such a deserved win. That

856
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't really watch the show other than

857
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: when you're on it, and you were a pleasure to watch.

858
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: You made it such a great season.

859
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: Mate, Thanks so much. It's been too long since we've

860
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: been able to chat here. We love seeing you and

861
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: Nikki and we now have the chance to spend a

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Speaker 2: bit more time on family and friends after what's been

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Speaker 2: a crazy year. So we're looking forward to seeing you

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Speaker 2: guys really soon and even more debriefing to come team holiday.

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Speaker 1: I vote, actually that's a.

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Speaker 2: Really good idea. Right back up and leave you even

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Speaker 2: go get in the AIRBNBA and I'll drink cask wine

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Speaker 2: so classic.

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Speaker 1: Oh mate, you deserve it. Congratulations, it's been great.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks for being a massive supporter as always, and

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Speaker 2: we can't wait to see you. A nicky boy, a

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Speaker 2: little poorly.

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Speaker 1: It's the same. It's the same as Harry what