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Speaker 2: Welcome to the seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 2: explore the stories of those who found lives they adore,

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Speaker 2: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day

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Speaker 2: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 2: Maiden and matcha milk bark. Seize the is a series

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Speaker 2: of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring

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Speaker 2: the self doubt challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. Hello,

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Speaker 2: lovely neighborhood, and welcome back to another guest episode in

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Speaker 2: a row. This week, We've skipped our Yeas of Our

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Speaker 2: So we'll be back next week with the typical chaos

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Speaker 2: You might have seen a couple of weeks ago, Ange

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Speaker 1: A thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: doubting that you'd be able to Like it's hugely nerve

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Speaker 2: wracking to go to any audition, let alone for Simba

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Speaker 2: Oh no, we love a tangent. I should just call

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00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 2: the show the Tangent. It's my absolute favorite. But it's

436
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 2: also it gives such an amazing insight. So why I

437
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 2: feel so privileged to have a show that's not limited

438
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 2: to one industry as I get to speak to people

439
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: and share with the audience like community, is that they

440
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: if you don't know someone in musical theater, you have

441
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 2: no idea how someone prepares for a role. You have

442
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: no idea like you just see the finished product. And

443
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 2: it's the behind the scenes that I find so interesting

444
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: because you just don't know that unless you are a

445
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: fly on the wall. So I think it's fascinating to

446
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 2: hear that you do historical research, you do decide what

447
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: your backstory is, even if no one ever knows what

448
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: you've chosen. That's what comes through is powerful in your performance,

449
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 2: even if we don't know that. So going back to

450
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: first entering this world, when you first became Simber, I

451
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 2: think a lot of people have seen I mean millions

452
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: of people around the world have seen The Lion King.

453
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 2: I've seen it like four times in three different countries

454
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 2: because it's just one of the most magnificent shows that

455
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: have ever come to the stage, particularly because you don't

456
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 2: think that animals on stage would work. But it's wild

457
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 2: but I don't know anything about the behind the scenes,

458
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: particularly not if you had come into performance without having

459
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: done singing coaching and dancing coaching. So what is the

460
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 2: process from your first audition, get the role and then

461
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: be on stage? Do you do like months years of classes?

462
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: Do you rehearse on your own? Like how do you

463
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 2: go from zero to hero? Basically, for me, how.

464
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: It worked was when they cast that role, the Simber

465
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: and Nala role. I think they when they find the

466
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: person that they want, it's almost like they don't want

467
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: to mess with what they find in the rehearsal room.

468
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: That's so cool, I know it is. And it's it's

469
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: quite what's the word I'm looking for. It's it's confronting

470
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 1: in a way because here's what happened for me, and

471
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: it's I'll share it. Like I stepped into this room

472
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: and the song that I just sing was Endless Night,

473
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: which is simber song. And he's singing it to his father,

474
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: who's who's passed away.

475
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

476
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why because I told you before

477
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: that I have an eighteen year old son, and you

478
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: know our history is quite a special history. I was

479
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: eighteen when he was born. And I was a father

480
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: who was not in his life. This is true, this

481
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: is raw facts. You know, I was a runaway father.

482
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: I stepped into this room. Remember the director. He prought

483
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: me aside after I sung the song, and he said,

484
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: and I hadn't met my son at this age. I

485
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: was in touch with his mother, and you know, he

486
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: knew who I was through a long distance conversations because

487
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: he was in South Africa. Anyway, the director pulled me

488
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: aside and he says, you sound pretty. It's great, but

489
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe you. Woo yeah, yeah. He said, you

490
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: got a great voice, but I don't believe you. And

491
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: he told me a story about his dad and he said,

492
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact facts, but he told me

493
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: a story about his dad being on his deathbed and

494
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: the things that his father had said to him that

495
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: he had wanted to say to him his whole life.

496
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: And it sort of brought a peace to their relationship.

497
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: And then his father passed away. And then he said, Okay,

498
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: we're going to go back in that room and you're

499
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: just going to be real and right. I don't care

500
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: how you sound. You sound great. Wow. I was like, okay,

501
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: what does that mean, I didn't know what that meant.

502
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I did it right the first time.

503
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 2: I thought I did my best, I know.

504
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: And I walked back in that room and the pianist

505
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: played the first chords and I couldn't sing. I could

506
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: not get the words out, and they were behind the

507
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: panel and they were saying keep going, keep going, and

508
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: I was singing the lyrics, but as I was singing them,

509
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: I was I was a mess. I was like, oh

510
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: my gosh, this is not good.

511
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm having a mental big guys, just bear with me.

512
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: And the first lyrics to that song, where has the

513
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: starlight gone dark as the day? How can I find

514
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: my way home? And then the chorus said you promised

515
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: you'd be there whenever I needed you, whenever I call

516
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: your name. You're not anywhere. And I finished the song.

517
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: It was a mess technically, and I thought I'd stuffed

518
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: it up, and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm

519
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: going home.

520
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say myself ast I came to.

521
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: It was like a moment where I came back and

522
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: the song had finished and they were just quiet, and

523
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: they said, what was going on for you there? And

524
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: I was like it was a moment where you just

525
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: felt like, Okay, I just had done this, so I'm

526
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: going to tell them I don't know these people, and

527
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: I just said to them, look, I don't know what happened,

528
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: but I have a son who's nine years old that

529
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: I never mean and I felt like he was singing

530
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: to me. Where am I? So my long story is

531
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: me being in the Lion King was actually never about

532
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: me being in the show, because that spurred me to

533
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: want to own my shit and find him and do

534
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: what's right, you know. So I came and I did

535
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: the Aussie tour, and long story short, I ended up

536
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: meeting him through the grace of his mother, who I

537
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: didn't deserve a second chance, but she gave me a chance.

538
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: And anything he's downstairs is chilling out.

539
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: Right now to stop. Oh my gosh, that's the most

540
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 2: beautiful story.

541
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, you asked me about my process, and that's

542
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: why I want to encourage people. You know, it's your

543
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: story as your power. Absolutely, you know, Snipper too far

544
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: gone for as long as you're breathing, you know, and

545
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: so far I'm glad. I'm just I'm just happy that

546
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: that's why you asked me. What might downce to Earth

547
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: and like my family, that happened. That's just the most

548
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: important thing to me. I proudly should. I know it's

549
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: quite a heavy topic, but it's a happy ending. It's

550
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: got a happy ending to it.

551
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful story as well, because I think it

552
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: is a reminder that you know, it did take nine

553
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: years and that's okay. Like, you know, people need time,

554
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: and it takes a catalyst, like it takes an ex

555
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: or a conversation or something to trigger a different choice.

556
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: But I think people forget they have choices, like they

557
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: often just assume it's too late for whatever reason. It's

558
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: too late for a relationship, it's too late for a career,

559
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: it's too late for a first you know, try it

560
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: something and you're right until you're not breathing. It's never

561
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: too really what's too late? Who's to say what's late

562
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: and what's early? Like maybe that was the perfect time.

563
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: Maybe nine years earlier you wouldn't have brought to the

564
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 2: relationship what you wanted to. And I think it's it's

565
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: so beautiful that it came from this whole new chapter

566
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: for you to realize in a totally different area of

567
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: your life that you wanted to do something differently. That's

568
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: magical and that now ten years later, like you have

569
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: this beautiful relation you live together. Yeah, that's amazing. Wow.

570
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: And that it took the Lion King. I mean, if

571
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: anyone needed proof that the Lion King is the becture

572
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: in the world, it's just it's bonding families all over

573
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: the place, you know. Yeah, but I also love that. Again,

574
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: it comes back to people self selecting themselves out of

575
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: opportunities because they assume that it's going to be a

576
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: technical audition. They assume that no one would give you

577
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: a chance based on a technically not perfect audition. That's

578
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: emotionally like, you do never know what someone's looking for,

579
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: and on that day it was what you had, not

580
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: what someone technically perfect had. So how did you go

581
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: from that to the West End? What? Yeah, what do

582
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: you mean that's the pinnacle? Like that's ten years is

583
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: a short time for the career that you've had. So

584
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: how did you go from that newcomer with raw emotion

585
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: into I'm going to do it in the home of Broadway.

586
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: This is how it happened. We were finishing up in Perth.

587
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: That was the last leg of the Aussie sort, and

588
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: the creatives from New York were like, hey, our Simba

589
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: in the West End is leaving. We want you to

590
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: take over the role. How do you feel about that?

591
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what's the West End?

592
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: I mean that's west? Like is that what you mean.

593
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: To it all?

594
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: And at times that's even cuter that you were like

595
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: where where.

596
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: Is that your funny story? When I got they cast

597
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: me up, I said yesterday or obviously. And then I

598
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: was looking for accommodation and I was looking in the

599
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: west of London because I thought west End meant that

600
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 1: the theaters were in West London and the producers they

601
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: were like, why are you saying so far? And when

602
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you mean? I know it's just

603
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: called westing but it's it's in central London and.

604
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean real newbie vibs. I love it.

605
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: It was special. I got to experience another cast and

606
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: another family of lion king and I got to take

607
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: my Bussie Pacific version and take it there and they

608
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: embraced it. And you know, it was huge. It was

609
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: a huge chapter of my life. I thought it was

610
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: going to be one year and it ended up being

611
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: five almost Wow. Yeah, oh my.

612
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: God, I mean, congratulations. That is gigantic. Not only did

613
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: you not kind of seek out this opportunity at the

614
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: top of the ladder, you just kind of were given it,

615
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: like we love you so much. Here have it. You

616
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: don't even know where it is, but let's take you there.

617
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: But also, I think another thing about industries that people

618
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: as a sort of spectator. You go and see the show,

619
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: you get your buy tickets, you go and sit in

620
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: the theater, and you get wowed. But forgetting that, you know,

621
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: I think because you guys perform often at night and

622
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: then maybe a few matinees, people don't know what you

623
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: do during the day in your job. So during that time,

624
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: are you rehearsing all day every day? Is it a

625
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: combination of like voice classes with dance classes. You slipped

626
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: very easily into an American accent just before do you

627
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: do accent training? Like how do you spend the d

628
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's your job, but it's not conventional, So

629
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: what do your hours look like?

630
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: Hours? It's like it's like you said, it's a combination

631
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: of things. Mean, you got to you know, we're doing

632
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: this thing eight times a week.

633
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, how does your voice keep up

634
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: with that.

635
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you got to you got to get on it.

636
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: You know. It's and that's not the other thing, you know,

637
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: even though I liked to send it, it's my parents

638
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: are always like, you've got to practice. I like, natural talent,

639
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: that's not going to get you through. You need to

640
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, you need to master your your crafts. And

641
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: so I like, I had to stop lifting weights the

642
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: way I did when I was playing rugby. I had

643
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: to go pilates classes, yoga classes, you know, ballet, voice classes,

644
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: and then rest on top of that, and then at

645
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: the same time trying to detach yourself so you're not

646
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: playing the character off stage.

647
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: It's not to everybody. Why is he walking on all

648
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: fours around the house?

649
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: Why do you roar at me? Yeah, So it's a

650
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: combination of all of it.

651
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: Do you get weekends off during the daytime, Like do

652
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: you have a structured set of training and classes and

653
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: rehearsals on the.

654
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: Double show days, like forget that you're waking up and

655
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: you're going to work, but you try and really try

656
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: and plan your days of filling things on the evening

657
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: show days. So Wednesday, I mean, when I was on Wednesday,

658
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: and that was a four show weekend, two Saturday, two Sunday. Yeah,

659
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: but then you get Monday and Tuesday off, so you

660
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: have to try and use those wisely. And then you'd

661
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: come back to a double show on the Wednesday. But

662
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: then Thursday and Friday are a day off, so you

663
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: could kind of use those days as well.

664
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: Do not talk on those days to give your voice arrest.

665
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: Does it actually wear out or do you just develop

666
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: the endurance it wears out?

667
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'd be that person at the bar if this

668
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: music playing, I'll be like, can you go somewhere else

669
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: because I have to.

670
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: Raise my voice too loud.

671
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: If your friends think a bit of a diva, it's

672
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: like listen, let's don't like because he's good or quite.

673
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: In case you guys don't know, I'm like famous and

674
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: my voice is like very important. But it's true. It's

675
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: your craft. Do you need it?

676
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: You don't foresee those things. You just think, you know,

677
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: you go to work and come home. But I mean

678
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: every time, I'm sure your voice gets tired. After doing

679
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: a lot of podcasts. You know, every time you're opening

680
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: your mouth, you're using those those vocal cords that coming together,

681
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: they tire around.

682
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So what about things like I mean having

683
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's quite unusual to have only done two

684
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: major roles and to have done them so exhaustively, But

685
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: even swapping from one show to a completely different show,

686
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: and also back in a different country, different writers, different scores,

687
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: different makeup, different costumes, and like you said, you had

688
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: to reformulate your interpretation of John. So now you're back

689
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: here in the incredible production of Missigon, as we've mentioned,

690
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: playing the role of John. How do you shift out

691
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: of one show and go into another? Because the other

692
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: thing about your industry is that like in between, is

693
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: there dead time? Are you just are you re auditioning?

694
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: Or do you usually have one thing lined up before

695
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: you go to the next show and then you switch

696
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: off Zimba and turn on John? Like, how does that all.

697
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: Work for me? The breaks in between have happened quite

698
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: naturally in an ideal world for theater people that do

699
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: it and have done it for a long time. This

700
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: role after role just lined up. I'm about to experience

701
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: it for the first time because I'm about to be

702
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: in another show called Rent. Yeah, thank you lended it

703
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. We were actually in our

704
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: opening of Sydney, and I auditioned on the opening week

705
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: and so I got the role and it was crazy.

706
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, and it's the role of Colins

707
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: and Rent. I'm sort of like parking that in my

708
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: brain at the same time immersing myself and John. But anyway,

709
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: we opened soon and I get three weeks break from

710
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: John and too Collins. So that's this is our first

711
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: for me. I'm actually going through it right now. My

712
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: wife is actually in the show as well, and we're kind.

713
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: Of yeah, that's so cool. Wow.

714
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're both sort of navigating how we're going

715
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: to do it with a babysitter and then you know,

716
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: and getting into into our characters and I can't actually

717
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: give you like we'll talk in a few months time.

718
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, yeah, But it's the same.

719
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: Same sort of process of I mean, my friend's given

720
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 1: me some documentaries to watch and that's what I did

721
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: for obviously for Miss Gone as well, and you kind

722
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: of just you do the pre research, you know, before

723
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: you get to rehearsal, and then you arrive to rehearsal,

724
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: and then the creative sort of guide you and so

725
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: where they see the story and you just slowly piece

726
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: things together, and then it's getting on stage, and then

727
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: it's feeling it, and then it's how you're moving and

728
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: how is the movement affecting you know, the way you

729
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: deliver your scene partners, you know, what are they bringing

730
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: out in you? It kind of just kind of just happens,

731
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: So cool, so big old process.

732
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about some of the sort of behind the

733
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: scenes surprises in particularly in Missigon, just because there'll be

734
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: people listening who have just seen it or about to

735
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: see it. Like have you ever had like a moment

736
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: where you've forgotten your lines? Or because it's not like

737
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: TV where people have to remember scripts, but they can

738
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: kind of like edit it out if you just have

739
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: a brain fart you're on stage, if this happens to you,

740
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: So have you ever forgotten your lines? Or like at

741
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: a wardrobe malfunction or like what happens when props don't work?

742
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: Like what are some of the things that surprised you

743
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: when you come to a production like this, like the

744
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: helicopter scenes, Like that's what the hell? Like, how what

745
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: do you mean?

746
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: I know? Right? Its yeah, it's crazy that I think

747
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest surprises that people see, right,

748
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: it's the helicopter. There's so much going on in the show,

749
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: and so there are things that constantly go not wrong,

750
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say wrong, they're just this is a show

751
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: that's all music. There's not much dialogue, so the beautiful

752
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: music plays the biggest part. It's the backbone. It's it's

753
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: really percussive. Especially my role John, He's got a lot

754
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: of small little part two. He's got to come in

755
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: and communicate and then it's got to be on beat.

756
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: But the audience won't necessarily know that. But I'm constantly

757
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: like connecting with the conductor because it's got to be.

758
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: It's got to be. On the other night, I made

759
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: a mistake. What happened. I was in the second act.

760
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: I came on stage. The engineer who was on for

761
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: that night threw me something. And this is about being

762
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: present as well, Like sometimes a couple will come on

763
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: and play the role and they'll bring their own neck

764
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: beautiful version of it, and you gotta and he threw

765
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: me something. It was a beautiful choice, and I was like, ah,

766
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: And because it was so had already moved. I missed

767
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: my line, Oh no, and missed my life. And then

768
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: he jumped in. He jumped in and safe me. But

769
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: that brought out something quite nice and in the moment. Yeah,

770
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: and it kind of like wires you up. You come

771
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: off stage and you're like, man, thanks for that. Man.

772
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, that was cool something the other night.

773
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: Even the Tams, like the Tams, sometimes you just sit

774
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: there and you watch the kids just be. I mean,

775
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: it's a lot the show is a lot for the

776
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: young kids. But I admire the the fearlessness to just

777
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: stand there and they be, and they kind of can

778
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: sometimes give you a good acting lesson, just like just

779
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: don't don't try, just be in the moment, you know.

780
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: And there's this cheeky, cheeky Tam and Sydney's left now

781
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: and I do this thing sometimes where John comes back

782
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: and he gives Tam a little fist bump. There was

783
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: one Tam who would just stand there when I kneel

784
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: down and give them a fist pump, and you'd stand

785
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: there on everything. He wouldn't. He wouldn't.

786
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what a frascal.

787
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: No, you haven't hearned it exactly, Like that's your choice.

788
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: That's a stranger. You don't have top.

789
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: Stranger danger, that's smart, that's straight, safe, well done.

790
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: So many things that happen that you know, either just

791
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: happen or things that we do to keep each other

792
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: lights as well to heavy show to heavy show. Sometimes

793
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: those things happen off stage. We do them to just

794
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: to keep the just keep the vibe up and then

795
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: we can go on and do the heavy stuff keep

796
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: it light off stage.

797
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, how like, especially if it's your second

798
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: show in the day, like the audience doesn't know for

799
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: them it's their first, and so it's amazing that you

800
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: guys can bring that same energy again even though it's

801
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: exactly the same as what you have literally just done.

802
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: I used to be ballerina and people would always say, like,

803
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: you just did this, this exact same thing, how do

804
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: you enjoy it? And I'm like, that's when you know

805
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: that you love what you do, when as soon as

806
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: the music comes on, it just you're there And I

807
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: could do it a million times and never get bored.

808
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: It's not one of those normal jobs where you're sort

809
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: of like, what am I going to do for dinner tonight?

810
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: Like you you can't think about that stuff, you know,

811
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: while you're singing or do you like, do you do

812
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 2: you have a tune out?

813
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes it happens.

814
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: Where am I? Oh I'm on stage?

815
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no's it's not that you're not enjoying it. It's

816
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: just I mean you're a human, right, and.

817
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: It's like autopilot.

818
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd like to say you're at the actor. It

819
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: doesn't switch off. But I mean there's been moments. And

820
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: that's the beautiful thing of just being there for your

821
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: scene partner because sometimes it happens for them and you

822
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: can see it happen.

823
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: And you you're like, oh, you're god.

824
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: It's the beauty of the right.

825
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: Have you ever needed to like pay in the middle

826
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: a show or like like do you eat before you perform?

827
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: Like how do you manage your digestion?

828
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: You know what? Before I say that last night on

829
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: stage and I need to find out when I go

830
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: back to work today. Someone did the biggest fart that

831
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: the smelliest part okay, and no one stage on stage,

832
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: one stage, in the in the in the scene, in

833
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: the dreamland scene and I'm at the bar. Who did that?

834
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: Who did that? And you see I used it in

835
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: the scene and yeah, no one owned up.

836
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: I mean, if you've got to go you got, I mean,

837
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: what are you going to do?

838
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: But it's great. I think the other night was at

839
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: the end of the show and the final final scene

840
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: in the dressing room and I needed to sneeze, and

841
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, I'm not going to

842
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: ruin the end, but the ending is about to happen

843
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: when Kim and Chris are together, and I'm like, if

844
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: I sneeze, everyone is going to look this way. But

845
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I held it back. It's crazy what

846
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: you off stage. I'm never be able to hold off

847
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: a sneeze. You always have to sneeze, but just that

848
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: just held it and there was like it's not coming down, but.

849
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: You're just like I'm just not because I'm emotional. Okay.

850
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: See that's even something that we don't think about that

851
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: you guys are on stage for a really long time

852
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: and like if you need a pee, it's like, do

853
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: you like you can't drink five liters before you go

854
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 2: on because like you're going to need to go logistics

855
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well, I have actually quite a few

856
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 2: friends who have seen it twice. They've loved it so much.

857
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 2: So I will definitely include all the links to Missigone

858
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: to everyone and then of course Rent, which is so exciting,

859
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: But I would also love to know. I think we

860
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: do spend a lot of time, like most of us

861
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: introduce ourselves by our name and our job, not like

862
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: anything else about our personality. It's just like I am

863
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: my work. But I think what you do when you

864
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: play and have downtime, or how you choose to spend

865
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: your voluntary time is just as informative about who you

866
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: are as the things that you do for your kind

867
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: of like, you know your profession, So how do you

868
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: play when you have time off? Does it have to

869
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: be something that's completely separate to musical theater? Like I

870
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: think some people have to do something completely opposite. And yeah,

871
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: what are your favorite do you? Binge? Netflix? Like what

872
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: do you do in your spare time?

873
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: Right now, we're actually watching Oh my gosh, you know

874
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: Fresh We your Fresh Princes of Fresh prints from.

875
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: Back in the day, you know, like oh yeah.

876
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so watching the new version on Netflix. I didn't

877
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: want to give it a chance because I was like, nah,

878
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: there's nothing that can that can be Oh but that's

879
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: quite it's really good.

880
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like you, I'm like, nothing will ever replace

881
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: the old version. Don't even try.

882
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but anyway, I mean, we do like

883
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: to separate it. But because we I mean, why if

884
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: he's at Sally, my son makes music gets to My

885
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: daughter is already you know, singing and dancing.

886
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: She's like one and a half.

887
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, Yeah, she's screeching and she loves to dance

888
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: and move, and so I think, yeah, just artistic expression

889
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: is sort of always happening in our house in some way,

890
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, because it's the first time for me and

891
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: my wife with our daughter. It's new, it's really new.

892
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: So we're trying to create an environment of that while

893
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: also being on the road, like we're touring with our family.

894
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: That's another thing right now, it's like whoa, Okay, maybe

895
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: we wanted this, but do we really?

896
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's rough. You're living at a suke. There's four of.

897
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: You litually literally How long have.

898
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: You When did you leave New Zealand?

899
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: Uh? July?

900
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you've been out of home since Oh

901
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: my god for the whole show. I didn't even think

902
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: of that.

903
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, July winter Sydney then came here and that

904
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: the tour is happening in Asia too. But we we

905
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: decided not to do it, but then Rent came up.

906
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: So is Rent here?

907
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: Winter's here?

908
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So are you going back home in between?

909
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll go home. We'll get a three weeks. Three weeks.

910
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.

911
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to that because my family, my sisters,

912
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: Mum and dad haven't seen Baba in a while, so

913
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,479
Speaker 1: they're missing her. And we'll go back to our house

914
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: to see if yeah, it's still standing, if.

915
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: It's still there. Yeah, I forgot. That puts so much

916
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: pressure on just like it's hard to live not in

917
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: your own bed and not in your own home, but

918
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: then to do it with kids, like that's an enormous challenge,

919
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: but amazing that you get to do it together. Do

920
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 2: you ever play rugby now? Do you ever like miss

921
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: it or watch her or play for fun or not?

922
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: I try. I try to keep up with my son.

923
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: He's boughtier. I think he's sportier and faster and more

924
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: athletic than I actually was. And I think I'm kidding

925
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: myself that I can keep up with them. I don't

926
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: want to. I don't want them to hear that.

927
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: You just look so scared. You're like, oh shit, I.

928
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: Remember that might be my dad and an arm wrestle too.

929
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: I think I was like fourteen fifteen, no, fourteen, and

930
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: he's like, you can stay up the day that you

931
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: beat me in an arm missle and I beat them.

932
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's still a cool memory for you. So,

933
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: my gosh, it's.

934
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: Still a part of my life. I mean back home

935
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: when if I'm not doing theater, I'm still involved, like

936
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: I do m seeing at the games and I sometimes

937
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: sing the anthem.

938
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 2: I saw that.

939
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a full circle circle. I looked at the

940
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: side of me and the guys about to that I

941
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: used to play with, about to go and play, and

942
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm there singing. So it's it's a special sort of moment.

943
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's beautiful. I forgot to ask you

944
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: this question at the start. Actually this is so random,

945
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 2: but do you and your kids speak someone Maori or Croatian.

946
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: I am embarrassed to say that we speak English, you

947
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You know it's our language, we

948
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: speak it, but it was the goal of our's like

949
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: we're going to speak someone and my wife has you know,

950
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: I can speak a couple of the dialects from South Africa.

951
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: You know, we try to inject words where we can,

952
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: but none of us are fully fluent.

953
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just a mishmashing. What is this language?

954
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: That's cool? You guys can understand it. Who cares.

955
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: Has been watching one lot and she's even though we're

956
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: trying to get her off it, because that's the first

957
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: thing that she says in the morning. She say on

958
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: no more none, that TV too much TV.

959
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: That none of us are called that, babe, no, mummy, daddy.

960
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: The word for tattoo was and someone, And so she

961
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: will she will look at my tattoo sometimes and say, tattoo.

962
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: That's so cute.

963
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. They pick up things. They pick up things fast,

964
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: and you wonder where and it's like, okay, it's TV

965
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: too much.

966
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, very last question to finish off. I'm a

967
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: big fan of quotes, and I feel like I love

968
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: to leave our listeners with a quote or a mantra

969
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: that you live by. Do you have something that you

970
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: live by, oh, other than Hakuna matal? I feel like

971
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: that would just be true stereotypical for you.

972
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: Kind of what I was saying before. I mean at

973
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: the start about it's never over. It's never over. There's

974
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: always more in the tank. It sounds so.

975
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: Like keep going.

976
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: I'd gne to share this one because something happened. I

977
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: was on our version in the New Zealand of you

978
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: have It Here. I think it's called I'm a celebrity

979
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: to get out of here?

980
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, did you do it?

981
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: I did one of those in New Zealand.

982
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: Amazing.

983
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: It was an amazing experience. But I had a moment.

984
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't a challenge and I was in the challenge.

985
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: It was an endurance challenge. I was therefore about and

986
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: a half hours standing and I won the challenge, but

987
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: there were moments in my mind where I was about

988
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: to give up. This was about half an hour mark,

989
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: and I ended up staying up there for two and

990
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: a half hours, and something happened where I just was

991
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: almost out of body. I couldn't feel. It was quite

992
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: painful on my feet. We had to stand on this

993
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: tower and stand on these pegs, and whoever fell was

994
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: going to go home. And at about the two hour mark,

995
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: I stopped feeling pain and I just was there and

996
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: in my mind I was like, I'm going to stay

997
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: here the whole night. I hope the camera crew already like.

998
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what's going to hit them.

999
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's always more like it's so you know,

1000
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: people have done it since the beginning of time. You know,

1001
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: this was so much more powerful than we think. You

1002
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: were talking about South doubt before. You know, once if

1003
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: you just pushed past that little barrier. We don't know

1004
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: what your capacity is, what our potential live, so always

1005
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: know that that is always more. In the tech, I

1006
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: I have the lights on orange gold because your card

1007
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: might break down.

1008
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, also good advice. Oh, Nick, thank you so much

1009
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 2: for your time. I'm so so excited for the rest

1010
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: of this season and to see what happens Withrent and

1011
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: to see you take on that role with as much

1012
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: gusta as you have the other two incredible roles that

1013
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: you've you've played so far. So thank you so much

1014
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 2: for making time and using your voice on this as well.

1015
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: It's all good. Thank you so much, Sarah, thank you

1016
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: podcasts and this has been amazing. So all the best

1017
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: and all the best of your your family and Bubba

1018
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: coming up. It's beautiful. Well.

1019
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: Nick was definitely our first professional rugby union footballer turned

1020
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: tenor and musical theater start, but first time everything I

1021
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: found this one so fascinating. He just seems like such

1022
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: a warm and wonderful person and blew us away on

1023
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: stage in the show. As you guys know, he has

1024
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: another production coming up. I will share links to that

1025
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: how to get tickets when that eventually goes love. I

1026
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: hope you guys enjoyed as much as I did, and

1027
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: of course, if it feels right, please do share the

1028
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: episode tag nick tag the show spread the yighborhood love

1029
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: as far and wide as possible. I hope you're all

1030
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: keeping safe and well and relatively stress free as much

1031
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: as possible as the silly season starts to really get underway.

1032
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: It's such an exciting time of year. Are and I

1033
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 2: will be back recording next week for the last couple

1034
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: of episodes of the year. We also have a few

1035
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: CZA activities. We're doing a Christmas party with literally just

1036
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: the two of us, so that will be a lot

1037
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: of fun. There's, of course our little bump that's growing

1038
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: on the way, our mini ya and if you guys

1039
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: have any more questions about that following on from our

1040
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 2: last Q and A episode, we can also answer any

1041
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: of those in the next few years of our lives. Episodes,

1042
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: so as always, don't forget to shoot as a DM

1043
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: or an email at any time. And in the meantime,

1044
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: I hope you are having a wonderful week and seizing

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Speaker 2: your yay.

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00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: Ultimate content Intendment, intimate intenet intent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah,