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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 3: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this spill your daily pop

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Speaker 2: I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brudnick.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I've been waiting for this moment. It's been a week,

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Speaker 3: but I've been waiting for longer, it feels like.

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Speaker 2: But we had to build up longer than a week

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Speaker 2: because we've been talking about this show since it was

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Speaker 3: Build up for this show, and I'm so happy that

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Speaker 3: we watched it. Because we are doing a very special,

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Speaker 3: brutally honest review of Lena Dunham's Too Much on Netflix.

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Speaker 4: Jess, something has shifted with you.

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Speaker 2: Josh Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Girl? Are your code? You're unhappy leaving me.

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Speaker 1: It's the worst thing everyone's ever done.

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Speaker 2: Change your life to London.

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Speaker 3: You love London US the Spice World nine times in

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Speaker 3: the theater.

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Speaker 4: I could do it.

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Speaker 2: I could go and find my English dream.

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Speaker 3: You know, a state ground starting gardens.

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Speaker 4: Good luck with love one of them.

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Speaker 3: Do the singing guy.

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Speaker 4: I'm Phoenix. By the way, You've got like an American accent.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Let me guess you like one of those love actually girls.

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Speaker 2: This is the London I came here for. I ot

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Speaker 2: of a movie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, horror movie is these people are full of pent

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Speaker 4: up rage and dark secrets.

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Speaker 1: I know we'd look at the Yellow House.

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Speaker 3: So I hope you watched it because we are diving deep,

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Speaker 3: and we're not only just talking about the show and

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Speaker 3: the big themes and what everyone's talking about. We're also

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Speaker 3: talking about what not everyone is talking about. And we're

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Speaker 3: also talking about behind the scenes moments, stuff that you

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Speaker 3: might not have heard but we have.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: So again, can't stress enough how there'll be spoilers, behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes facts, and we only do brutally honest reviews

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Speaker 2: if you don't across the four the biggest new TV

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Speaker 2: shows and movies that everyone is talking about. So we

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Speaker 2: can dive deep because we all know once you finish

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Speaker 2: watching a new TV show or a movie and it

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Speaker 2: takes up your mind, you become obsessed with it the

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Speaker 2: way we have been obsessed with this show. All you

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Speaker 2: want to do is talk about it and hear other

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Speaker 2: people talk about it. And guys, we've got all your

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Speaker 2: messages and your emails and your DMS requesting this specific show.

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Speaker 1: So here we go.

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Speaker 3: Can I actually give our listen there's a bit of

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Speaker 3: best way to listen to our braadly honest reviews.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Wow, you get.

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Speaker 3: Your friends over, okay, after you've all watched the TV

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Speaker 3: show a movie, and then you play our podcasts and

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Speaker 3: then pause, and then with each other either agree or

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Speaker 3: happens is is whenever you watch a show, and this

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Speaker 3: has happened with me with too much, with this specific

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Speaker 3: show where I was at a dinner with four of

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Speaker 3: my friend ends and everyone's like, okay, have you watched it?

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Speaker 3: Have you watched it? Have you watched it? One person says,

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Speaker 3: I haven't watched the last episode. You're standing outside, yeah,

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Speaker 3: because we need we need to do and you'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Your poor time management cannot stop this conversation.

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Speaker 3: You need to have unhealthy habits with cinema and TV

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Speaker 3: like the rest of us. So you have to watch

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Speaker 3: all the episodes. Ten episodes. I watched them in a night,

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Speaker 3: which I don't recommend because you.

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Speaker 1: Were messaging me.

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Speaker 3: I did send a lot of photos of my live

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Speaker 3: reactions to Albi. We should actually post them, Oh, we should.

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Speaker 3: But I am very very passionate about this particular Brilli.

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Speaker 2: Ho Yes, Okay, so much to get into, so too

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Speaker 1: It's not Lena Dunham's return to TV. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: And it holds up.

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Speaker 2: In fact, maybe now people would even take it in

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Speaker 2: Too Much, like they're both stories pulled from her real

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Speaker 1: They're not meant to be.

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Speaker 2: These kind of cookie cut out lovable TV characters.

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Speaker 2: So even though since Girls ended, she's done a lot

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Speaker 3: What I love about Lena Dunham's comedy is that because

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, Emily, there's venem that is so

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Speaker 2: So the build up to this show is one of

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Speaker 1: That was a very conscious choice in her behalf.

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Speaker 2: She was also writing and directing so many things that

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Speaker 1: She also did Catherine.

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Speaker 2: everything else happened, Louis Felber, the Peruvian English rocker indie

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Speaker 2: It was during like a lot of the COVID lockdowns,

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Speaker 3: Which a lot of people think, yes.

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Speaker 2: Which a lot of people have drawn a line between

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the connection with Taylor Swift because she was

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Speaker 2: this kind of thing of when that they their relationship ended.

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Speaker 2: hooked up with Lord, who is seen as the ultimate

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Speaker 3: Was it Lord?

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Speaker 1: There is so much there is so much background.

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Speaker 3: I thought who it was because it was way way

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Speaker 3: too early for it to be Margaret Quality.

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Speaker 2: No, so this will be important later on when we

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Speaker 2: talk about Emily Radikowski's character, because a lot of people

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Speaker 2: do think that she is an amalgamation of Lord and

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Speaker 2: Margaret Quality to an extent. But no, people always thought

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Speaker 2: Lena Dunham.

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Speaker 3: Oh, messy, messy, So I can see.

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Speaker 2: Why Lena Dunham hopped on a plane to the UK.

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Speaker 2: She was like, get me out of this messy world.

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Speaker 2: And she was over there and she had to quarantine,

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Speaker 2: so she was by herself, and then she was feeling

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Speaker 1: Bunch of friends.

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Speaker 2: She says, she has three straight male friends so she

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Speaker 2: for him to have a name.

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Speaker 3: It was one of another our friends.

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Speaker 2: We're not our friends.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I can barely remember their own straight male friend names,

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Speaker 2: so we can't get into that. But she reached out

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Speaker 1: And he's like, I want that guy because.

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Speaker 2: Sexy hot man to play me exactly what I say

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Speaker 3: But now that you've said this, the show makes The.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, which makes me think what other parts aren't

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Speaker 3: Yes, she breaks up with her partner Zev, and you

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Speaker 3: Thank you, because I love Megan Statler.

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Speaker 2: it out loud or mention it, because it's almost like

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Speaker 2: I didn't want this spell to break of everyone jumping.

440
00:18:32,224 --> 00:18:34,024
Speaker 2: I know it's important to have that conversation now, but

441
00:18:34,064 --> 00:18:35,344
Speaker 2: it's almost like I didn't even want to say it

442
00:18:35,384 --> 00:18:37,784
Speaker 2: out loud because I just wanted it to just happen

443
00:18:37,864 --> 00:18:39,704
Speaker 2: in past and for it to become the norm, and

444
00:18:39,744 --> 00:18:42,824
Speaker 2: I wanted it to be this thing that wouldn't warrant

445
00:18:42,824 --> 00:18:43,704
Speaker 2: a headline.

446
00:18:43,944 --> 00:18:48,984
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it also reminded me of season three of Bridgeton. Yes,

447
00:18:49,544 --> 00:18:53,784
Speaker 3: Nicola Coughlan gave such a good performance, and all the

448
00:18:53,824 --> 00:18:57,264
Speaker 3: commentary I saw was like, yes, the chemistry, and yes,

449
00:18:57,344 --> 00:18:59,664
Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff about like pleasuring women and

450
00:18:59,704 --> 00:19:02,904
Speaker 3: how that was centered, but also more than her performance,

451
00:19:02,904 --> 00:19:05,464
Speaker 3: it was about her weight and like how brave she

452
00:19:05,704 --> 00:19:09,264
Speaker 3: was to like have her body on screen, and I

453
00:19:09,384 --> 00:19:11,544
Speaker 3: was like, is that the whole coversation we're taking out

454
00:19:11,544 --> 00:19:14,224
Speaker 3: from this whole season and which she gave a beautiful

455
00:19:14,264 --> 00:19:17,264
Speaker 3: performance for ye and I'm so glad that we didn't

456
00:19:17,264 --> 00:19:18,424
Speaker 3: do the same thing for too.

457
00:19:18,304 --> 00:19:22,184
Speaker 2: Much exactly exactly. And it's also hard to because when

458
00:19:22,624 --> 00:19:24,464
Speaker 2: you say things like plus size and stuff like that,

459
00:19:24,504 --> 00:19:26,664
Speaker 2: I think it's really important to remind people that in

460
00:19:26,704 --> 00:19:30,024
Speaker 2: the entertainment industry but also in life, that they see

461
00:19:30,024 --> 00:19:32,944
Speaker 2: plus size as above a size twelve. Yeah, so what

462
00:19:32,984 --> 00:19:34,184
Speaker 2: you're thinking of is.

463
00:19:34,224 --> 00:19:36,024
Speaker 3: Just it's like normal size.

464
00:19:36,064 --> 00:19:36,664
Speaker 1: So we meet.

465
00:19:36,544 --> 00:19:39,624
Speaker 2: Jessica in the first episode and she has had a

466
00:19:39,744 --> 00:19:43,224
Speaker 2: very intense breakup with Zev. Speaking of casting Michael z Egan,

467
00:19:43,304 --> 00:19:46,544
Speaker 2: who love him, but it's just really interesting to me

468
00:19:46,744 --> 00:19:50,584
Speaker 2: that he is his Like other really big role is

469
00:19:50,664 --> 00:19:53,904
Speaker 2: Joel Mazel in The marvelousnessus masl And in that he

470
00:19:54,024 --> 00:19:57,344
Speaker 2: plays a man who does the main character wrong and

471
00:19:57,624 --> 00:19:59,864
Speaker 2: they have a big breakup and that pushes her to

472
00:19:59,944 --> 00:20:02,184
Speaker 2: go on and have this be huge life and do

473
00:20:02,304 --> 00:20:04,224
Speaker 2: things and stuff. And I don't know if that's meant

474
00:20:04,224 --> 00:20:06,384
Speaker 2: to be like a complete line to the character, but

475
00:20:06,464 --> 00:20:08,584
Speaker 2: I love that something in Lena Dunn's mind was like

476
00:20:08,904 --> 00:20:12,904
Speaker 2: that man he does this, So yeah, this man knows

477
00:20:12,904 --> 00:20:15,544
Speaker 2: how to play a character who you can kind of

478
00:20:15,624 --> 00:20:18,304
Speaker 2: tell you can you can see why the leading lady

479
00:20:18,304 --> 00:20:20,344
Speaker 2: falls in love with him and why they have a relationship.

480
00:20:20,504 --> 00:20:22,584
Speaker 2: But also he just does it so well when he

481
00:20:22,664 --> 00:20:25,064
Speaker 2: just lets her and the audience down so much, and

482
00:20:25,104 --> 00:20:26,784
Speaker 2: you can see how it pushes her to start a

483
00:20:26,824 --> 00:20:30,224
Speaker 2: new life. So I love his service too to this industry.

484
00:20:30,424 --> 00:20:34,424
Speaker 3: I think he plays a character so interestingly because it

485
00:20:34,504 --> 00:20:37,384
Speaker 3: was one of the characters where like it comes across

486
00:20:37,384 --> 00:20:39,904
Speaker 3: as actually quite likable in the first time before you

487
00:20:39,944 --> 00:20:40,784
Speaker 3: find out.

488
00:20:40,744 --> 00:20:42,624
Speaker 2: Which I think is needed because I do I get

489
00:20:42,664 --> 00:20:45,104
Speaker 2: pulled really out of reality sometimes in romcoms where the

490
00:20:45,184 --> 00:20:51,024
Speaker 2: leading lady is dating this like completely awful but uncharismatic guy,

491
00:20:51,344 --> 00:20:53,184
Speaker 2: and it's so hard. I know, we all date losers,

492
00:20:53,264 --> 00:20:55,984
Speaker 2: but it's also so much harder to believe her being

493
00:20:56,024 --> 00:20:58,104
Speaker 2: in a relationship. So I love more so when they

494
00:20:58,144 --> 00:21:00,344
Speaker 2: show that the relationship was great for a long time

495
00:21:00,704 --> 00:21:02,904
Speaker 2: and it evolved even though there were red flags, it

496
00:21:02,944 --> 00:21:06,424
Speaker 2: evolved into this awful situation. It's just much more believable,

497
00:21:06,464 --> 00:21:06,944
Speaker 2: I think.

498
00:21:06,784 --> 00:21:09,504
Speaker 3: And even it makes her character more believable because you're

499
00:21:09,504 --> 00:21:12,104
Speaker 3: not like in love with her throughout the whole season,

500
00:21:12,224 --> 00:21:15,704
Speaker 3: Like there are times where I genuinely hated her really yeah.

501
00:21:15,224 --> 00:21:16,464
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I didn't feel like that.

502
00:21:16,504 --> 00:21:18,664
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm just like, oh my god, you're so like

503
00:21:18,704 --> 00:21:20,944
Speaker 3: you're too much, Like you're so annoying, you're too much.

504
00:21:21,384 --> 00:21:23,624
Speaker 3: And then there's obviously times that you come around. But

505
00:21:23,664 --> 00:21:28,024
Speaker 3: I think that's like where I saw Lena's writing come in,

506
00:21:28,024 --> 00:21:30,904
Speaker 3: because that's exactly how I felt about the characters and girls,

507
00:21:31,224 --> 00:21:33,304
Speaker 3: Like there were times where I hated them, yeah, and

508
00:21:33,384 --> 00:21:35,344
Speaker 3: times where I like love them, and then times I

509
00:21:35,384 --> 00:21:37,504
Speaker 3: was like, no, you don't deserve this. I'm like, yes

510
00:21:37,544 --> 00:21:37,864
Speaker 3: I do.

511
00:21:38,024 --> 00:21:39,304
Speaker 2: I guess that's the whole point because that's how you

512
00:21:39,304 --> 00:21:40,624
Speaker 2: feel about people in real life.

513
00:21:40,664 --> 00:21:41,224
Speaker 1: So you mean her.

514
00:21:41,384 --> 00:21:43,824
Speaker 2: We get introduced that relationship and then we see Jessica

515
00:21:43,904 --> 00:21:45,544
Speaker 2: in this really kind of well.

516
00:21:45,584 --> 00:21:47,704
Speaker 1: She cause a great garden situations, which just so great.

517
00:21:48,464 --> 00:21:51,224
Speaker 2: She's stuck in her home with her grandmother, her mother,

518
00:21:51,464 --> 00:21:54,424
Speaker 2: her sister, and her nephew and all the casting here

519
00:21:54,464 --> 00:21:55,464
Speaker 2: is also really important.

520
00:21:55,504 --> 00:21:57,504
Speaker 1: One Lena Dunham playing her sister.

521
00:21:57,584 --> 00:22:00,424
Speaker 2: Her older sister, I thought was really lovely because for

522
00:22:00,584 --> 00:22:03,944
Speaker 2: a lot of people like our generation included. We grew

523
00:22:04,024 --> 00:22:06,904
Speaker 2: up with Lena Dunham's Not Just Girls. But like I

524
00:22:07,024 --> 00:22:09,064
Speaker 2: used to, I've read all her writing, I've read her book,

525
00:22:09,104 --> 00:22:12,504
Speaker 2: I've listened to her podcast, and so much about the

526
00:22:12,584 --> 00:22:16,064
Speaker 2: content she makes really shaped me as a young woman.

527
00:22:16,344 --> 00:22:18,104
Speaker 2: And so I think, even though we're like pretty much

528
00:22:18,104 --> 00:22:20,024
Speaker 2: same age, I still think of her as a big sister,

529
00:22:20,184 --> 00:22:22,144
Speaker 2: just because she's a tad more successful than me. But

530
00:22:22,184 --> 00:22:24,104
Speaker 2: I think also you would really see her as a

531
00:22:24,104 --> 00:22:24,864
Speaker 2: big sister.

532
00:22:24,664 --> 00:22:28,064
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah. She her writing was just something I feel like,

533
00:22:28,864 --> 00:22:30,784
Speaker 3: especially if you work in the media space or the

534
00:22:30,824 --> 00:22:33,384
Speaker 3: creative space, like she is like a muse for so

535
00:22:33,464 --> 00:22:37,144
Speaker 3: many people, like her trajectory and her career and her

536
00:22:37,184 --> 00:22:37,824
Speaker 3: skill set.

537
00:22:37,984 --> 00:22:39,824
Speaker 2: I loved her writing as someone we see as a

538
00:22:39,864 --> 00:22:42,144
Speaker 2: big sister, writing herself as the big sister. And she

539
00:22:42,184 --> 00:22:44,104
Speaker 2: also said she got asked so many times, did you

540
00:22:44,104 --> 00:22:45,624
Speaker 2: ever want to play Jessica? And she said from the

541
00:22:45,624 --> 00:22:48,584
Speaker 2: outset no, for a few different reasons. One is that

542
00:22:48,624 --> 00:22:51,104
Speaker 2: she said she just doesn't have the capacity at the

543
00:22:51,144 --> 00:22:53,624
Speaker 2: moment to be the lead actress and.

544
00:22:53,504 --> 00:22:54,224
Speaker 3: Create a show.

545
00:22:54,504 --> 00:22:56,024
Speaker 2: She said some of that is to do with age.

546
00:22:56,104 --> 00:22:58,424
Speaker 2: She's had a lot of health problems over the years

547
00:22:58,864 --> 00:23:00,584
Speaker 2: as well, and she says she just didn't have it

548
00:23:00,624 --> 00:23:02,944
Speaker 2: in her. But she also said that she wanted to

549
00:23:02,984 --> 00:23:04,984
Speaker 2: hire the very best person for the job, and the

550
00:23:04,984 --> 00:23:06,744
Speaker 2: best person for the job wasn't her, it was Megan,

551
00:23:06,904 --> 00:23:09,824
Speaker 2: So that's understandable. And man would never Yeah, a man

552
00:23:09,824 --> 00:23:11,944
Speaker 2: would never be putting himself in there no matter what.

553
00:23:13,464 --> 00:23:14,784
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

554
00:23:14,984 --> 00:23:16,384
Speaker 2: You don't always have to be the lead. You can

555
00:23:16,384 --> 00:23:18,504
Speaker 2: always puss them on to someone else. I also thought

556
00:23:18,584 --> 00:23:21,064
Speaker 2: the casting of Ria Pelman is her grandmother was really lovely.

557
00:23:21,104 --> 00:23:24,344
Speaker 2: So she is one of the most acclaimed comedic actresses

558
00:23:24,584 --> 00:23:26,504
Speaker 2: of you know, all time. She's one of the most

559
00:23:26,504 --> 00:23:29,064
Speaker 2: nominated actresses from her when she was on Cheers back

560
00:23:29,064 --> 00:23:30,464
Speaker 2: in the day. I think a lot of people would

561
00:23:30,504 --> 00:23:33,344
Speaker 2: know her as the mom from Matilda Matilda's Mom, but

562
00:23:33,384 --> 00:23:34,344
Speaker 2: she's on lots of other stuff.

563
00:23:34,384 --> 00:23:35,424
Speaker 1: She was recently in Barbie.

564
00:23:35,424 --> 00:23:37,904
Speaker 2: But I also think that Lena Dunham has always cited

565
00:23:37,944 --> 00:23:42,144
Speaker 2: her as her comedic inspiration who she holds up as

566
00:23:42,264 --> 00:23:44,704
Speaker 2: the great like Lena Dunham sees her as the greatest

567
00:23:44,704 --> 00:23:47,504
Speaker 2: comedic actress she's ever seen. So I loved that, you know,

568
00:23:47,544 --> 00:23:49,984
Speaker 2: And she obviously wrote the role for her bringing her

569
00:23:50,024 --> 00:23:50,624
Speaker 2: in was really love.

570
00:23:50,744 --> 00:23:52,504
Speaker 3: The whole casting of the family is so good. The

571
00:23:52,584 --> 00:23:53,424
Speaker 3: mum Rita.

572
00:23:53,144 --> 00:23:54,344
Speaker 1: Wilson, Yeah, exactly.

573
00:23:54,384 --> 00:23:56,584
Speaker 2: Again such a huge part of rom comms. And also

574
00:23:56,704 --> 00:23:58,504
Speaker 2: not that it not that this matters, but married to

575
00:23:58,584 --> 00:24:00,384
Speaker 2: like one of the rom com kings of the world,

576
00:24:00,424 --> 00:24:01,344
Speaker 2: Tom Hanks.

577
00:24:01,104 --> 00:24:04,784
Speaker 3: Yeah, really good. And I think what I loved about

578
00:24:04,784 --> 00:24:08,224
Speaker 3: the family dynamic was that it was so different to

579
00:24:08,264 --> 00:24:10,904
Speaker 3: what you usually see, because I feel like with shows

580
00:24:10,944 --> 00:24:14,744
Speaker 3: like this, it will be the young girl who doesn't know,

581
00:24:14,904 --> 00:24:16,904
Speaker 3: like her life is falling apart, she doesn't know what's

582
00:24:16,944 --> 00:24:19,464
Speaker 3: going on, and she goes back to her perfect family

583
00:24:19,464 --> 00:24:22,224
Speaker 3: you have it all together. I'm just like, come on,

584
00:24:22,344 --> 00:24:24,264
Speaker 3: you can do it, or like helping you, which is

585
00:24:24,304 --> 00:24:26,344
Speaker 3: kind of similar to girls like her parents for a

586
00:24:26,384 --> 00:24:28,424
Speaker 3: long time and girls were like seeing as the perfect

587
00:24:28,744 --> 00:24:30,824
Speaker 3: couple who were like, we're cutting you off, like you've

588
00:24:30,864 --> 00:24:33,304
Speaker 3: been like taking the piss, we're not giving anyone me.

589
00:24:33,944 --> 00:24:35,744
Speaker 3: And she was like, I'm the words of my generation

590
00:24:35,864 --> 00:24:37,584
Speaker 3: and also fair and then she became the voice of

591
00:24:37,624 --> 00:24:40,584
Speaker 3: my generation. And what I liked about the women and

592
00:24:40,664 --> 00:24:43,144
Speaker 3: her family was that they were all going through it.

593
00:24:43,344 --> 00:24:44,584
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they were all.

594
00:24:44,384 --> 00:24:47,184
Speaker 3: Having to live together because all their relationships didn't work

595
00:24:47,184 --> 00:24:49,224
Speaker 3: out and the poor grandma was just having to keep

596
00:24:49,224 --> 00:24:49,624
Speaker 3: the house.

597
00:24:49,784 --> 00:24:51,184
Speaker 2: I know she's like, I've got no what a girl.

598
00:24:51,184 --> 00:24:53,784
Speaker 2: All my friends are dead. I know that's just a lot.

599
00:24:53,944 --> 00:24:55,864
Speaker 2: And then we see her having this kind of crumbling

600
00:24:55,904 --> 00:24:57,984
Speaker 2: moment at work, even though I think it's really important.

601
00:24:58,024 --> 00:25:00,424
Speaker 2: They set her up to be like really successful in

602
00:25:00,424 --> 00:25:02,184
Speaker 2: a work, a wholly kind of to give her.

603
00:25:02,104 --> 00:25:05,624
Speaker 3: That story was so funny with Jessica Jessica Alba.

604
00:25:05,704 --> 00:25:08,664
Speaker 2: First of all, I freaking love Jessica Albert. She she

605
00:25:08,784 --> 00:25:10,304
Speaker 2: is a great comedic actress.

606
00:25:10,464 --> 00:25:12,624
Speaker 1: She doesn't get her Jews for that because she left Hollywood.

607
00:25:12,624 --> 00:25:14,944
Speaker 2: She left Hollywood after filming The Fantastic four Rise of

608
00:25:15,024 --> 00:25:18,064
Speaker 2: Silver Sofa when she was crying because her character was

609
00:25:18,064 --> 00:25:20,584
Speaker 2: in distress, and the director said, could you cry prettier?

610
00:25:20,624 --> 00:25:21,464
Speaker 1: Could you not cry at all?

611
00:25:21,504 --> 00:25:23,344
Speaker 2: The more cg the tears in later, and she went

612
00:25:23,344 --> 00:25:27,104
Speaker 2: Hollywood not for me, went away fair so opened a

613
00:25:27,104 --> 00:25:30,264
Speaker 2: billion dollar company. So she's doing great. The specifics of

614
00:25:30,304 --> 00:25:32,584
Speaker 2: this scene when Jessica comes up, this is the most

615
00:25:32,584 --> 00:25:34,584
Speaker 2: perfect writing we Jessica. It's like to her, I love

616
00:25:34,664 --> 00:25:37,064
Speaker 2: dark Angel. I wanted to be a bike messenger is

617
00:25:37,264 --> 00:25:41,384
Speaker 2: the most perfect call for elder millennials because I don't know,

618
00:25:41,424 --> 00:25:43,384
Speaker 2: because Jessica Albert's first big role where I fell in

619
00:25:43,424 --> 00:25:45,464
Speaker 2: love with her was the TV show Dark Angel, right,

620
00:25:45,624 --> 00:25:47,624
Speaker 2: and that's a very It only ran for like two

621
00:25:47,704 --> 00:25:50,464
Speaker 2: seasons and everyone's forgotten about it. It's a very pivotal

622
00:25:50,504 --> 00:25:53,144
Speaker 2: show for my people, for like a very specific group

623
00:25:53,184 --> 00:25:54,144
Speaker 2: of elder millennial.

624
00:25:54,264 --> 00:25:56,304
Speaker 3: This in the cinema, you would have stood up on Clapp.

625
00:25:56,024 --> 00:25:57,784
Speaker 1: I would still have been clapped so much. Yeah, I

626
00:25:57,864 --> 00:25:59,864
Speaker 1: love that. I just think that tension to detail is

627
00:25:59,904 --> 00:26:00,264
Speaker 1: so good.

628
00:26:00,464 --> 00:26:03,704
Speaker 2: And then obviously Andrew Reynolds is in there as Jessica's

629
00:26:03,784 --> 00:26:04,744
Speaker 2: a strange brother in.

630
00:26:04,824 --> 00:26:07,104
Speaker 3: Law Elijah, Yes, Elijah.

631
00:26:06,664 --> 00:26:07,504
Speaker 1: From Girls Again.

632
00:26:07,624 --> 00:26:10,264
Speaker 2: Lena Dunham is very close with him, still with Andrew Reynolds,

633
00:26:10,704 --> 00:26:13,064
Speaker 2: and wrote that part for him so good.

634
00:26:13,184 --> 00:26:16,104
Speaker 3: And that scene where, which is what the whole Like

635
00:26:16,144 --> 00:26:18,184
Speaker 3: Too Much show is, is like you think it's gonna

636
00:26:18,224 --> 00:26:20,584
Speaker 3: go somewhere and it does the exact opposite. So the

637
00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:24,544
Speaker 3: scene is like we're seeing jess in like her first

638
00:26:24,584 --> 00:26:27,664
Speaker 3: like in her work environment, she's like a TV producer.

639
00:26:27,984 --> 00:26:29,864
Speaker 3: Her job is to make sure everything like kind of

640
00:26:29,864 --> 00:26:32,664
Speaker 3: works together, that the actors are happy she works with

641
00:26:32,704 --> 00:26:35,144
Speaker 3: like these big A list stars. So Jessica Albert does

642
00:26:35,184 --> 00:26:37,824
Speaker 3: play Jessica Alba and Jessica Albert is not happy with

643
00:26:37,864 --> 00:26:41,024
Speaker 3: the direction. So she comes up to jess and she's like, hey, girl,

644
00:26:41,344 --> 00:26:45,224
Speaker 3: it's your time to shine, Like this is girl empower man.

645
00:26:46,144 --> 00:26:48,224
Speaker 3: We can do this, and any other woman would be like, yes,

646
00:26:48,344 --> 00:26:50,144
Speaker 3: Jessica alber I can do this.

647
00:26:50,504 --> 00:26:51,624
Speaker 2: Jessica leaves.

648
00:26:54,064 --> 00:26:59,304
Speaker 3: She runs away so good, and everyone's like, did you

649
00:26:59,384 --> 00:27:00,624
Speaker 3: run away from Jessica album?

650
00:27:02,704 --> 00:27:04,984
Speaker 1: They're looking like she They're looking for you. Jesse I

651
00:27:05,184 --> 00:27:06,704
Speaker 1: was looking for you. She thinks she's in the bathroom.

652
00:27:06,784 --> 00:27:09,224
Speaker 1: She's just like, God, do this. It's so funny because

653
00:27:09,504 --> 00:27:11,744
Speaker 1: this is like overall too.

654
00:27:11,664 --> 00:27:14,504
Speaker 2: Much, very much, And Lena has said this, she really

655
00:27:14,544 --> 00:27:16,904
Speaker 2: tried to follow the beat of a traditional rom com

656
00:27:17,584 --> 00:27:19,744
Speaker 2: and there's some moments where she subverts. And that's one

657
00:27:19,744 --> 00:27:21,504
Speaker 2: of the moments because in any other kind of rom

658
00:27:21,504 --> 00:27:24,384
Speaker 2: com TV series or movie, that would be the moment

659
00:27:24,384 --> 00:27:26,824
Speaker 2: where the girl's like yeah, and she has her moment

660
00:27:26,864 --> 00:27:27,424
Speaker 2: she's like you and.

661
00:27:27,384 --> 00:27:28,504
Speaker 1: Me justice all we're gonna do it.

662
00:27:28,544 --> 00:27:30,104
Speaker 2: And the fact that she's like, I can't do this,

663
00:27:30,144 --> 00:27:32,824
Speaker 2: it's like the most relatable thing ever, so then she

664
00:27:32,904 --> 00:27:36,144
Speaker 2: gets and this only happens in rom coms or Emily

665
00:27:36,184 --> 00:27:38,264
Speaker 2: in Paris. Then her work decides to send her.

666
00:27:38,264 --> 00:27:41,504
Speaker 1: To Europe for a little break to get her life together.

667
00:27:41,584 --> 00:27:44,304
Speaker 3: Break get it Together, does a big campaign for you

668
00:27:44,384 --> 00:27:46,544
Speaker 3: to work on. Yeah, and just come back a new woman.

669
00:27:46,744 --> 00:27:48,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you know what could go wrong?

670
00:27:49,264 --> 00:27:51,184
Speaker 2: I love this too because this is also very much

671
00:27:51,224 --> 00:27:55,344
Speaker 2: based on Lena Dunham's and again every every woman I

672
00:27:55,344 --> 00:27:58,184
Speaker 2: think who has who has been raised on Jane Austen

673
00:27:58,264 --> 00:28:01,424
Speaker 2: novels or like very those quintessential kind of British rom coms,

674
00:28:01,504 --> 00:28:04,704
Speaker 2: very Bruget Jones esque. In fact, that scene where when

675
00:28:04,784 --> 00:28:06,664
Speaker 2: Jess first gets to London and there's that shot of

676
00:28:06,704 --> 00:28:10,624
Speaker 2: her walking across Tower Bridge is a mirror for mirror

677
00:28:10,704 --> 00:28:13,704
Speaker 2: shot of a really famous scene from the first Bridget

678
00:28:13,744 --> 00:28:17,504
Speaker 2: Jones movie. Yeah, it's there for fans just to be like,

679
00:28:17,584 --> 00:28:20,024
Speaker 2: we see you, we know what you're doing. But also

680
00:28:20,064 --> 00:28:23,624
Speaker 2: this just the way people romanticize London of like I'll

681
00:28:23,624 --> 00:28:24,944
Speaker 2: get there and it's all going to be like I'm

682
00:28:24,984 --> 00:28:27,384
Speaker 2: gonna live in Pemberley and I'm going to like walk

683
00:28:27,464 --> 00:28:30,344
Speaker 2: these beautiful London streets and I'm going to meet mister Darcy.

684
00:28:30,064 --> 00:28:31,784
Speaker 3: And she thought she was going to live in the state.

685
00:28:32,424 --> 00:28:33,904
Speaker 2: Can I just say everyone I've talked to us, like,

686
00:28:33,984 --> 00:28:35,504
Speaker 2: I can't believe she thought in the state was in

687
00:28:35,504 --> 00:28:37,424
Speaker 2: the state. And can I just say, I'm with Jessica.

688
00:28:37,864 --> 00:28:39,824
Speaker 2: I would have had the exact state. Someone tells me

689
00:28:39,864 --> 00:28:43,104
Speaker 2: you're living in a state in London, I'm thinking sprawling

690
00:28:43,144 --> 00:28:45,024
Speaker 2: mansion and mister Darcy's inside.

691
00:28:45,384 --> 00:28:47,464
Speaker 3: It was so like funny, and I think like the

692
00:28:47,464 --> 00:28:51,264
Speaker 3: little snippets of her imagination going crazy with the pride

693
00:28:51,264 --> 00:28:54,104
Speaker 3: and prejudice scenes, and like her dressed up and like

694
00:28:54,464 --> 00:29:00,264
Speaker 3: going to the bar by herself. Yeah, like dressed up beautifully. Okay,

695
00:29:00,304 --> 00:29:01,984
Speaker 3: we have to talk about Okay.

696
00:29:01,664 --> 00:29:02,464
Speaker 1: The meet cute for me.

697
00:29:02,584 --> 00:29:05,184
Speaker 2: Now, if you're a fan of any kind of romcom,

698
00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:08,504
Speaker 2: you know that the most important moment is the meet cute.

699
00:29:08,824 --> 00:29:12,864
Speaker 2: As explained in the Quintessent rom com The Holiday. You

700
00:29:12,904 --> 00:29:15,464
Speaker 2: know when when Arthur explains to Kate Whinson's character, I

701
00:29:15,544 --> 00:29:17,824
Speaker 2: meet cute is the moment. And this is what scriptwriters

702
00:29:17,864 --> 00:29:19,944
Speaker 2: work on. How are they going to bring their characters

703
00:29:19,984 --> 00:29:22,824
Speaker 2: together in a memorable, lovely way, in a moment where

704
00:29:22,824 --> 00:29:24,704
Speaker 2: you just know they're going to fall in love and

705
00:29:24,744 --> 00:29:28,664
Speaker 2: it's usually something, you know, really cute and sweet and.

706
00:29:29,384 --> 00:29:30,864
Speaker 3: Each how then they drop their coffee.

707
00:29:30,984 --> 00:29:32,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

708
00:29:32,984 --> 00:29:35,264
Speaker 2: They see each other cross a crowded room or something

709
00:29:35,344 --> 00:29:39,344
Speaker 2: like that. This isn't a disgusting pub bathroom. Yeah, I

710
00:29:39,384 --> 00:29:41,064
Speaker 2: know she sees someone stage first, but then they go

711
00:29:41,064 --> 00:29:41,704
Speaker 2: into the bathroom.

712
00:29:41,864 --> 00:29:44,264
Speaker 3: He doesn't not see her on the stage.

713
00:29:44,504 --> 00:29:46,464
Speaker 2: And he asked for her for some bog roll, and

714
00:29:46,544 --> 00:29:48,624
Speaker 2: I love an all the Netflix marketing. They're like, he

715
00:29:48,624 --> 00:29:50,784
Speaker 2: asked for some bog roll, and then in captions there

716
00:29:50,864 --> 00:29:52,824
Speaker 2: and then in brackets they have toilet paper toilet and

717
00:29:53,024 --> 00:29:55,224
Speaker 2: I was like, we get it, but thank you, because.

718
00:29:54,984 --> 00:29:59,704
Speaker 3: Even she was confused, She's like, oh this Yeah, that

719
00:29:59,864 --> 00:30:03,264
Speaker 3: scene of their meeting was very like oh, I feel

720
00:30:03,304 --> 00:30:05,184
Speaker 3: like if you didn't know anything about the show or

721
00:30:05,184 --> 00:30:07,424
Speaker 3: the trailer or anything and you're just watching it, yeah,

722
00:30:07,464 --> 00:30:10,344
Speaker 3: you'd be like, oh, this is a nothing moment. Like absolutely,

723
00:30:10,704 --> 00:30:13,344
Speaker 3: like they see each other, they like kind of had

724
00:30:13,344 --> 00:30:16,424
Speaker 3: this awkward moment of like passing toilet paper to each other.

725
00:30:16,904 --> 00:30:19,064
Speaker 3: She tries to get to know him more and he's

726
00:30:19,104 --> 00:30:21,504
Speaker 3: just kind of like bye, see ya, Yanks, and then

727
00:30:21,544 --> 00:30:23,024
Speaker 3: he leaves and goes back on stage.

728
00:30:23,104 --> 00:30:24,744
Speaker 2: Even before she goes in and she's trying to be

729
00:30:24,744 --> 00:30:26,824
Speaker 2: offend people in the bar. I think is also like

730
00:30:26,864 --> 00:30:29,144
Speaker 2: a really nice aversion because I think as much as

731
00:30:29,224 --> 00:30:31,704
Speaker 2: rom coms lie to us about love, they also lie

732
00:30:31,704 --> 00:30:33,984
Speaker 2: to us about friendship. And they lie to us about

733
00:30:33,984 --> 00:30:35,504
Speaker 2: the fact that you can move to a new city

734
00:30:35,864 --> 00:30:38,064
Speaker 2: and that you'll just go out and it'll be magical

735
00:30:38,064 --> 00:30:39,504
Speaker 2: and you'll make all these new friends and you'll fall

736
00:30:39,544 --> 00:30:40,344
Speaker 2: in love straight away.

737
00:30:40,544 --> 00:30:41,584
Speaker 1: Because can I tell you as.

738
00:30:41,464 --> 00:30:43,584
Speaker 2: Someone who has moved, I've moved to so many new

739
00:30:43,624 --> 00:30:46,264
Speaker 2: cities completely by myself, and I have done that where

740
00:30:46,304 --> 00:30:48,304
Speaker 2: you just go out and you try and meet people

741
00:30:48,384 --> 00:30:50,304
Speaker 2: because you have to, and no one wants to talk

742
00:30:50,304 --> 00:30:51,984
Speaker 2: to you because people have their own lives and friends

743
00:30:51,984 --> 00:30:52,384
Speaker 2: going on.

744
00:30:52,784 --> 00:30:53,944
Speaker 1: That is so true.

745
00:30:54,824 --> 00:30:56,904
Speaker 2: It's just I mean, meaning the boy is also a

746
00:30:56,904 --> 00:30:58,624
Speaker 2: bit rom com. But I understand that we had to

747
00:30:58,664 --> 00:31:00,464
Speaker 2: get that in there. Yeah, So we had the scence

748
00:31:00,464 --> 00:31:04,784
Speaker 2: them walking home, which is the moment from Lena and

749
00:31:04,864 --> 00:31:08,864
Speaker 2: Louis's real relationship walking through the streets. He gives her

750
00:31:08,864 --> 00:31:12,384
Speaker 2: the jacket they talk for ag is a recreation of

751
00:31:12,424 --> 00:31:13,464
Speaker 2: their real first date.

752
00:31:13,984 --> 00:31:18,264
Speaker 3: Oh okay, because that scene was like felt like something

753
00:31:18,304 --> 00:31:20,944
Speaker 3: should happen more. But even in that scene, like they

754
00:31:20,984 --> 00:31:23,464
Speaker 3: get home and then he kind of like just like

755
00:31:23,544 --> 00:31:25,784
Speaker 3: drops her home and then he's like out of there.

756
00:31:26,064 --> 00:31:28,464
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he comes back. He comes when she's burnt

757
00:31:28,464 --> 00:31:29,384
Speaker 2: herself with a candle.

758
00:31:29,544 --> 00:31:32,464
Speaker 3: Yes, So we find out that Jess has like this

759
00:31:32,504 --> 00:31:37,384
Speaker 3: coping mechanism. Yeah, this coping mechanism is to make She

760
00:31:37,384 --> 00:31:39,704
Speaker 3: has a private Instagram account, and what she does is

761
00:31:39,704 --> 00:31:44,264
Speaker 3: she posts video selfie videos of herself talking to her

762
00:31:44,344 --> 00:31:49,024
Speaker 3: ex boyfriend's Zev's new girlfriend, em Rata.

763
00:31:49,264 --> 00:31:52,104
Speaker 1: Yes, called Wendy. And it must be said that not only.

764
00:31:51,904 --> 00:31:55,704
Speaker 3: Is she high Wendy. Yeah, that's literally exactly, and it's

765
00:31:55,744 --> 00:31:58,304
Speaker 3: like a dear diary, but it's a high Wendy, Yeah, exactly.

766
00:31:58,384 --> 00:32:01,184
Speaker 2: High Wendy's how she starts everything. And it should be

767
00:32:01,184 --> 00:32:04,664
Speaker 2: said that not only is Wendy a very well known influencer.

768
00:32:04,304 --> 00:32:06,224
Speaker 3: She's a knitting she's a knitting influencer.

769
00:32:06,344 --> 00:32:09,104
Speaker 1: So important, that detail so important.

770
00:32:08,664 --> 00:32:11,824
Speaker 3: And because it's em Rata, it's so believe maivable, like, yes,

771
00:32:11,904 --> 00:32:14,104
Speaker 3: of course she's a knitting influencer. And of course now

772
00:32:14,144 --> 00:32:15,584
Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy my own nitwear.

773
00:32:15,584 --> 00:32:18,344
Speaker 2: And it's any influencer who works on that space is like,

774
00:32:18,384 --> 00:32:22,064
Speaker 2: no one wants the ugly knitted hats Wendy slash camrat,

775
00:32:22,224 --> 00:32:24,224
Speaker 2: No one wants the ugly like you're it even, like

776
00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:26,904
Speaker 2: Jess points out as she's watching her videos, like it's

777
00:32:26,944 --> 00:32:29,304
Speaker 2: just because she's a hot woman and she can go

778
00:32:29,344 --> 00:32:31,784
Speaker 2: into her closet and like knit herself a little scarf

779
00:32:31,784 --> 00:32:33,544
Speaker 2: whire it is a boob choobe. It's like the scarf

780
00:32:33,584 --> 00:32:36,384
Speaker 2: is ugly, You're just a hot woman when everyone's gonna

781
00:32:36,424 --> 00:32:37,264
Speaker 2: buy the scarf now.

782
00:32:37,784 --> 00:32:41,104
Speaker 3: So she's doing a high Wendy situation and because she's

783
00:32:41,144 --> 00:32:43,184
Speaker 3: a big love a girl of prime and prejudice, she

784
00:32:43,304 --> 00:32:46,304
Speaker 3: kind of looks like the pride of She's wearing this

785
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:50,904
Speaker 3: long white kind of nighty yeah down. She's also holding

786
00:32:50,944 --> 00:32:51,384
Speaker 3: a cat.

787
00:32:52,464 --> 00:32:55,384
Speaker 2: It's giving Scrooge, Yeah, it really is.

788
00:32:55,464 --> 00:32:58,424
Speaker 3: Giving the backing gale. She's like holding a candle and

789
00:32:58,424 --> 00:33:01,024
Speaker 3: while she's filming, the candle kind of like leans into

790
00:33:01,064 --> 00:33:04,784
Speaker 3: her and she sets her chest of fire flu.

791
00:33:04,624 --> 00:33:06,624
Speaker 2: On fire, and she has that moment where she's like

792
00:33:06,664 --> 00:33:08,024
Speaker 2: what do I do? Stopped up and roll and then

793
00:33:08,024 --> 00:33:09,784
Speaker 2: she kind of can't get down, which is again so

794
00:33:09,864 --> 00:33:13,024
Speaker 2: relatable because stop dropping roll sounds easy. I feel hard

795
00:33:13,024 --> 00:33:13,504
Speaker 2: in the moment.

796
00:33:13,624 --> 00:33:15,704
Speaker 3: No, yeah, because everyone can stop.

797
00:33:15,784 --> 00:33:20,224
Speaker 1: It's the drug, it's the role would stop me. I

798
00:33:20,224 --> 00:33:21,624
Speaker 1: would just go face first.

799
00:33:21,744 --> 00:33:24,304
Speaker 2: The fire of my passion cannot be extinguished.

800
00:33:26,424 --> 00:33:32,824
Speaker 4: Oh my god, job driven roll stop, Oh my god.

801
00:33:35,504 --> 00:33:38,624
Speaker 3: And then she can't remember the like number nine.

802
00:33:40,144 --> 00:33:43,024
Speaker 1: But also that's what is the emergency number in the UK.

803
00:33:43,144 --> 00:33:45,544
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter because whichever one you call, it automatically

804
00:33:45,544 --> 00:33:47,704
Speaker 3: transfer it. So even if she called nine one one,

805
00:33:47,744 --> 00:33:49,224
Speaker 3: it will go to the UK police.

806
00:33:49,264 --> 00:33:51,344
Speaker 2: Oh guys, that is the most important thing.

807
00:33:51,824 --> 00:33:54,464
Speaker 3: We're in the UK, and all we remember zero zero zero,

808
00:33:54,544 --> 00:33:55,784
Speaker 3: it will still go to the police.

809
00:33:55,784 --> 00:34:00,424
Speaker 2: And I feel like we're still Americanized, we'd all done. Okay.

810
00:34:00,464 --> 00:34:01,904
Speaker 1: That was such a good fact, Thank you, Emily.

811
00:34:02,104 --> 00:34:04,944
Speaker 3: And then the last scene of the very first episode,

812
00:34:04,944 --> 00:34:10,144
Speaker 3: you see her in the bartup two really confused paramedics

813
00:34:10,504 --> 00:34:14,904
Speaker 3: once just grosing her down with the nineties, I know.

814
00:34:14,944 --> 00:34:17,264
Speaker 2: And he looks so terrified, and you just like this

815
00:34:17,744 --> 00:34:19,864
Speaker 2: and this bit. There's so many I mean, the thing

816
00:34:19,984 --> 00:34:21,784
Speaker 2: is the dialogue in this show. I know there's some

817
00:34:21,784 --> 00:34:23,464
Speaker 2: haters out there and people like it's on this mat.

818
00:34:23,624 --> 00:34:25,984
Speaker 2: The dialogue in the show is so funny and so

819
00:34:26,184 --> 00:34:28,344
Speaker 2: much of the I think the actual best dialogue comes

820
00:34:28,344 --> 00:34:30,824
Speaker 2: between the character of Jessica and her weird like landlord,

821
00:34:30,864 --> 00:34:35,304
Speaker 2: the guy who's like looking off the apartment when she

822
00:34:35,424 --> 00:34:37,704
Speaker 2: first arrives. He's like, that's a nice picture of you.

823
00:34:37,784 --> 00:34:41,504
Speaker 2: She's like, that's the lady from Murder she wrote the

824
00:34:41,584 --> 00:34:50,144
Speaker 2: actual lands Burke in then Bart when she's like, she's

825
00:34:50,144 --> 00:34:52,224
Speaker 2: not really drunk, but I guess she's just in stress.

826
00:34:52,504 --> 00:34:54,984
Speaker 1: She where's my dog? If it was my dog?

827
00:34:55,064 --> 00:34:56,944
Speaker 2: If where is he? She's like, it was a child?

828
00:34:56,984 --> 00:34:59,864
Speaker 1: You care You only care about children, not dogs.

829
00:35:00,304 --> 00:35:05,584
Speaker 3: And then then he's fully thinking it was like suicide.

830
00:35:05,944 --> 00:35:07,584
Speaker 1: And he's like, you're want to make some medical decisions,

831
00:35:07,624 --> 00:35:09,744
Speaker 1: I'll do that and she's like, I don't even know you.

832
00:35:10,864 --> 00:35:14,104
Speaker 2: And then Felix comes around the corner holding my favorite

833
00:35:14,144 --> 00:35:14,744
Speaker 2: character from.

834
00:35:14,584 --> 00:35:16,344
Speaker 1: The show, the ugly little dog Astrid.

835
00:35:16,584 --> 00:35:20,624
Speaker 2: Yes, and oh my god. Also, this is really cute.

836
00:35:21,184 --> 00:35:23,624
Speaker 2: Is that you know how that night like Felix and

837
00:35:23,704 --> 00:35:27,344
Speaker 2: Jessica have just met, Yes, and he goes to the

838
00:35:27,344 --> 00:35:30,024
Speaker 2: hospital to see her. That is something that Louis did

839
00:35:30,064 --> 00:35:32,424
Speaker 2: for Lena in real life. So Lena's had a lot

840
00:35:32,464 --> 00:35:34,824
Speaker 2: of different health problems. Sometimes she's had to go into

841
00:35:34,824 --> 00:35:35,664
Speaker 2: the emergency room.

842
00:35:35,664 --> 00:35:37,704
Speaker 1: She was an extreme amount of pain. She didn't know

843
00:35:37,784 --> 00:35:38,424
Speaker 1: Louis that well.

844
00:35:38,504 --> 00:35:40,744
Speaker 2: He found out that she was there, and he went

845
00:35:40,784 --> 00:35:42,624
Speaker 2: to the hospital, and later on he said, like, that

846
00:35:42,664 --> 00:35:44,264
Speaker 2: was one of the moments I knew I wanted to

847
00:35:44,304 --> 00:35:46,384
Speaker 2: be with you because I the thought of you being

848
00:35:46,384 --> 00:35:49,624
Speaker 2: in hospital alone was too much and I never wanted

849
00:35:49,664 --> 00:35:51,824
Speaker 2: you to be in that situation again where I wasn't

850
00:35:51,824 --> 00:35:54,624
Speaker 2: there for you. So him going to check on her

851
00:35:54,664 --> 00:35:57,704
Speaker 2: in hospital is also directly pulled from Louis and Lena's

852
00:35:57,744 --> 00:35:58,304
Speaker 2: love story.

853
00:35:58,904 --> 00:36:03,264
Speaker 3: I did not expect Felix to visit her in hospital,

854
00:36:03,384 --> 00:36:05,024
Speaker 3: not even visit her, but like bring her dog and

855
00:36:05,024 --> 00:36:07,384
Speaker 3: then break her out, yeah, exactly, and drive her home.

856
00:36:07,424 --> 00:36:09,304
Speaker 2: It's also like it's just a small moment, but she's

857
00:36:09,344 --> 00:36:11,264
Speaker 2: clearly like she's got a burn, but she's clearly fine.

858
00:36:11,304 --> 00:36:13,104
Speaker 1: She's clearly but she's in a unit with like thaorn

859
00:36:13,144 --> 00:36:13,784
Speaker 1: Burns Victor.

860
00:36:14,024 --> 00:36:16,264
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also up until then, he was like in

861
00:36:16,264 --> 00:36:17,744
Speaker 3: a relationship.

862
00:36:17,424 --> 00:36:19,904
Speaker 1: Yeah, and still was he still kind of is. There's

863
00:36:19,904 --> 00:36:20,584
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of.

864
00:36:20,944 --> 00:36:22,904
Speaker 2: A lot of crossover there, and as we see them

865
00:36:22,904 --> 00:36:25,704
Speaker 2: getting into like their dating, their courtship, if you will,

866
00:36:26,184 --> 00:36:29,424
Speaker 2: that's when we get like we obviously have we have

867
00:36:29,464 --> 00:36:31,224
Speaker 2: their first sex scene, and then we just see that

868
00:36:31,424 --> 00:36:33,224
Speaker 2: we see that moment that happens when you first meet

869
00:36:33,264 --> 00:36:36,424
Speaker 2: someone you like, where you you're so being so intimate

870
00:36:36,424 --> 00:36:38,104
Speaker 2: because you're obviously having a lot of sex, but you're

871
00:36:38,104 --> 00:36:39,784
Speaker 2: also with each other twenty four or seven.

872
00:36:40,184 --> 00:36:42,824
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, these are the scenes that kind of annoyed

873
00:36:42,864 --> 00:36:47,184
Speaker 3: me because and I think this is where you see

874
00:36:47,224 --> 00:36:50,824
Speaker 3: the cleverness behind Lena's writing on like exactly what what

875
00:36:50,904 --> 00:36:53,464
Speaker 3: she wanted people to feel when they watched the show.

876
00:36:54,304 --> 00:36:58,064
Speaker 3: Is that in my head because of every other type

877
00:36:58,064 --> 00:37:01,624
Speaker 3: of media we consumed, It's like, girl goes through breakup,

878
00:37:01,744 --> 00:37:04,344
Speaker 3: she moves overseas. This is a time where she has

879
00:37:04,424 --> 00:37:08,904
Speaker 3: her big single girl era moment, wanting to succeed in

880
00:37:08,904 --> 00:37:11,904
Speaker 3: her career, wanting to like make all these friends and

881
00:37:11,944 --> 00:37:14,664
Speaker 3: be like the main character of her life. But she

882
00:37:14,944 --> 00:37:18,584
Speaker 3: moves overseas and immediately gets into a relationship. Yeah, and

883
00:37:18,624 --> 00:37:21,584
Speaker 3: it was very like so against what we've learned and

884
00:37:21,624 --> 00:37:23,424
Speaker 3: so against of what we're meant to do.

885
00:37:24,024 --> 00:37:26,464
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it didn't It felt like if maybe

886
00:37:26,504 --> 00:37:28,504
Speaker 2: Felena was writing something that was maybe a bit more

887
00:37:28,784 --> 00:37:31,824
Speaker 2: girls adjacent she would have written that type of story.

888
00:37:31,824 --> 00:37:33,544
Speaker 2: But I think this is so much. She's talked about

889
00:37:33,544 --> 00:37:35,384
Speaker 2: the fact that, even though she knows that some of

890
00:37:35,424 --> 00:37:38,184
Speaker 2: her work doesn't present that way, that she was really

891
00:37:38,304 --> 00:37:40,584
Speaker 2: raised on rom coms. Again, she know the same age,

892
00:37:40,624 --> 00:37:43,184
Speaker 2: So we were really raised on like notting Hill Love.

893
00:37:43,264 --> 00:37:44,504
Speaker 1: Actually You've Got.

894
00:37:44,344 --> 00:37:46,984
Speaker 2: Mail as kind of like the catalyst for like what

895
00:37:47,024 --> 00:37:49,424
Speaker 2: a real film is. And as much as she's kind

896
00:37:49,424 --> 00:37:51,144
Speaker 2: of she grew up in a house where her parents

897
00:37:51,304 --> 00:37:53,984
Speaker 2: were really against that type of media, she loves rom

898
00:37:54,024 --> 00:37:58,064
Speaker 2: coms and so she still leans into rom com tropes

899
00:37:58,104 --> 00:38:00,144
Speaker 2: more than anything else, like by her own design.

900
00:38:00,224 --> 00:38:02,584
Speaker 3: The thing is, it's like, this isn't a rom com,

901
00:38:02,624 --> 00:38:04,624
Speaker 3: which is why I got confused because if I felt

902
00:38:04,664 --> 00:38:08,544
Speaker 3: the rom com element earlier on the scenes of them

903
00:38:08,584 --> 00:38:12,384
Speaker 3: getting together and then also seeing that he's not really

904
00:38:12,384 --> 00:38:15,984
Speaker 3: sure about her, but her being fully in didn't really

905
00:38:16,024 --> 00:38:18,544
Speaker 3: sit like because a rom com for me, when I

906
00:38:18,584 --> 00:38:21,664
Speaker 3: see it, I feel immediately safe. Yeah, And with this courtship,

907
00:38:21,704 --> 00:38:23,584
Speaker 3: I did not feel safe at any point.

908
00:38:23,424 --> 00:38:26,504
Speaker 2: Which is so interesting because lean like I don't personally

909
00:38:26,664 --> 00:38:28,864
Speaker 2: call too much a rom com, And I wrote in

910
00:38:28,864 --> 00:38:31,424
Speaker 2: my review the top of my review is like just awarding.

911
00:38:31,464 --> 00:38:33,144
Speaker 1: This isn't a wrong com because for me, it doesn't

912
00:38:33,184 --> 00:38:34,744
Speaker 1: have that fluffiness and that safety.

913
00:38:34,904 --> 00:38:37,144
Speaker 2: So what I loved about those earlier scenes is that

914
00:38:37,184 --> 00:38:39,984
Speaker 2: they come back from the burns unit and they have sex,

915
00:38:40,024 --> 00:38:42,584
Speaker 2: and it's very not like rom com sex because rom

916
00:38:42,584 --> 00:38:44,744
Speaker 2: com sex is a very specific thing, and I was

917
00:38:44,744 --> 00:38:46,624
Speaker 2: watching these movies if I even really knew what sex was.

918
00:38:46,664 --> 00:38:47,784
Speaker 2: So this is what I thought sex was for a

919
00:38:47,824 --> 00:38:51,224
Speaker 2: really long time. Is that it's two people kissing and

920
00:38:51,264 --> 00:38:53,304
Speaker 2: then you lie back on the bed and then the

921
00:38:53,344 --> 00:38:56,144
Speaker 2: camera pans down to like your hands clasped, and.

922
00:38:56,064 --> 00:38:57,104
Speaker 1: Then the camera comes back.

923
00:38:57,064 --> 00:38:59,664
Speaker 2: Later when everyone's like clothes but backed under the covers. Yeah,

924
00:38:59,904 --> 00:39:01,864
Speaker 2: and you kind of see that moment, like the camera

925
00:39:01,944 --> 00:39:05,504
Speaker 2: never cuts away. And also they're like talking and laughing

926
00:39:05,544 --> 00:39:07,744
Speaker 2: through it. It's a little bit awkward. He's worried about

927
00:39:07,784 --> 00:39:10,904
Speaker 2: her burn scar. She's like making jokes with him. They

928
00:39:10,904 --> 00:39:13,304
Speaker 2: don't have this huge, big where they all got them

929
00:39:13,344 --> 00:39:14,384
Speaker 2: together at the same moment.

930
00:39:14,464 --> 00:39:16,424
Speaker 1: It's not really that. It's much more real estic.

931
00:39:16,584 --> 00:39:20,304
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very real like reflects reality and those

932
00:39:20,344 --> 00:39:23,504
Speaker 3: like initial relationships and exactly what you're saying, like spending

933
00:39:23,584 --> 00:39:26,904
Speaker 3: so much time together, like she has a full time

934
00:39:26,984 --> 00:39:29,464
Speaker 3: job that she's not really good at because she's spending

935
00:39:29,944 --> 00:39:33,504
Speaker 3: like from eight pm to like five am awake with

936
00:39:33,624 --> 00:39:36,304
Speaker 3: him and like watching movies and having sex like in

937
00:39:36,344 --> 00:39:40,584
Speaker 3: between and not sleeping. And what's true to reality is

938
00:39:40,584 --> 00:39:43,064
Speaker 3: that when you're in like those fresh relationships where you're

939
00:39:43,104 --> 00:39:46,944
Speaker 3: just all in, one person compromises on everything and the

940
00:39:46,984 --> 00:39:49,344
Speaker 3: other person just gets what they want. Yeah, and he

941
00:39:49,464 --> 00:39:52,784
Speaker 3: initially just gets everything he wants right, Like he can

942
00:39:52,864 --> 00:39:54,944
Speaker 3: afford to stay up so late because he only works

943
00:39:55,024 --> 00:39:57,904
Speaker 3: during the evening, so he sleeps throughout the day, whereas

944
00:39:57,904 --> 00:40:01,304
Speaker 3: like she goes into work like red Eye, like like

945
00:40:01,424 --> 00:40:04,904
Speaker 3: can't comprehend anything's so so bad at her job, gets

946
00:40:04,904 --> 00:40:06,944
Speaker 3: pulled up for it, and still keeps doing it.

947
00:40:07,224 --> 00:40:10,344
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very much watching just kind of muck up

948
00:40:10,424 --> 00:40:12,384
Speaker 2: up her own new life for this guy, which again

949
00:40:12,504 --> 00:40:14,744
Speaker 2: very relatable. But what I loved about those scenes is

950
00:40:14,744 --> 00:40:18,264
Speaker 2: that it was a way to show true intimacy in

951
00:40:18,304 --> 00:40:21,784
Speaker 2: a way that I felt was very relatable because as

952
00:40:21,824 --> 00:40:23,504
Speaker 2: you know, like you can be having sex with someone

953
00:40:23,584 --> 00:40:24,984
Speaker 2: and it can be not be intimate. You could be

954
00:40:24,984 --> 00:40:27,664
Speaker 2: watching a sex scene on TV. It could be very graphic, Yeah,

955
00:40:27,664 --> 00:40:29,344
Speaker 2: and it could not feel intimate, it could still feel

956
00:40:29,464 --> 00:40:32,944
Speaker 2: very Hollywood. Whereas I thought, like the different sex scenes,

957
00:40:33,384 --> 00:40:35,424
Speaker 2: paired with those moments of them just lying on the

958
00:40:35,424 --> 00:40:38,304
Speaker 2: bed talking, or like lying over each other, or like

959
00:40:38,384 --> 00:40:40,584
Speaker 2: massaging each other and like laughing, like in a really

960
00:40:40,584 --> 00:40:44,584
Speaker 2: silly way, brushing their teeth together, all of those things.

961
00:40:44,344 --> 00:40:47,864
Speaker 1: Was just like a very a level of true.

962
00:40:47,544 --> 00:40:51,184
Speaker 2: Intimacy and realism and like a non glossy way to

963
00:40:51,264 --> 00:40:53,784
Speaker 2: show how quickly they were falling in love with each other.

964
00:40:53,904 --> 00:40:56,584
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think you're exactly right. And I think

965
00:40:56,624 --> 00:40:59,584
Speaker 3: it's because you were seeing like no breaks, like you

966
00:40:59,584 --> 00:41:02,384
Speaker 3: were seeing like the full nightpan out with the timecodes

967
00:41:02,384 --> 00:41:05,784
Speaker 3: on the clock and stuff, that you quickly realized how

968
00:41:06,264 --> 00:41:09,144
Speaker 3: serious there they were becoming together. And then you got

969
00:41:09,184 --> 00:41:10,344
Speaker 3: the Paddington scene.

970
00:41:10,864 --> 00:41:13,064
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Okay, the Paddington scene.

971
00:41:13,144 --> 00:41:15,624
Speaker 3: Look, we need to do a disclaimer here because we've

972
00:41:15,664 --> 00:41:16,184
Speaker 3: been robbed.

973
00:41:16,784 --> 00:41:19,144
Speaker 1: Yes, Lena Dunno is likeness.

974
00:41:19,184 --> 00:41:21,504
Speaker 3: She's a big fan of the spill, clearly because she

975
00:41:22,064 --> 00:41:24,544
Speaker 3: witnessed an episode of US, which if you're a long

976
00:41:24,544 --> 00:41:27,344
Speaker 3: time listener, you also would have witnessed that. We have

977
00:41:27,384 --> 00:41:29,184
Speaker 3: a bit of a dynamic when it comes to talking

978
00:41:29,184 --> 00:41:32,664
Speaker 3: about Paddington to the point where what we said about

979
00:41:32,704 --> 00:41:36,184
Speaker 3: Paddington with the exact lines that were said, and too

980
00:41:36,304 --> 00:41:38,584
Speaker 3: much about Paddington exactly.

981
00:41:38,664 --> 00:41:40,904
Speaker 2: And look, Lena and Louis want to say they wrote

982
00:41:40,944 --> 00:41:43,584
Speaker 2: this show years ago and they filmed it over a

983
00:41:43,664 --> 00:41:47,784
Speaker 2: year ago. Lies because recent conversations from the Spill, which

984
00:41:47,824 --> 00:41:50,064
Speaker 2: before this show had been made available so we hadn't

985
00:41:50,104 --> 00:41:53,944
Speaker 2: seen it, have been lifted and put on this Netflix

986
00:41:53,984 --> 00:41:56,864
Speaker 2: TV show by Lena Dunnan. Because you freaking love the

987
00:41:56,904 --> 00:42:00,144
Speaker 2: Paddington movies. Yes, if anyone hasn't watched them, which I haven't,

988
00:42:00,184 --> 00:42:01,864
Speaker 2: it's that movie with that creepy little bear that gets

989
00:42:01,904 --> 00:42:02,784
Speaker 2: It's not creepy.

990
00:42:03,064 --> 00:42:06,504
Speaker 3: He's just trying to find his home and nothing creepy.

991
00:42:06,544 --> 00:42:10,304
Speaker 2: But do I get again? So in the scene there,

992
00:42:10,504 --> 00:42:13,104
Speaker 2: there is a scene where they're watching Paddington and the

993
00:42:13,184 --> 00:42:16,304
Speaker 2: Felix character is having a very very emotional response to it,

994
00:42:16,704 --> 00:42:18,784
Speaker 2: and he is so even though he's he's seen the

995
00:42:18,864 --> 00:42:22,344
Speaker 2: movie a thousand times, which Emily also has. He's stressed

996
00:42:22,464 --> 00:42:25,384
Speaker 2: every single time about what's gonna happen to the bear.

997
00:42:25,984 --> 00:42:28,984
Speaker 2: And then the Jessica character, which is me in this way,

998
00:42:29,064 --> 00:42:32,904
Speaker 2: it's been based off me cannot understand how Like she's like, oh,

999
00:42:33,064 --> 00:42:34,904
Speaker 2: it's a cute movie, like she she says that, which

1000
00:42:34,944 --> 00:42:36,984
Speaker 2: I've also said too, but cannot understand how grow an

1001
00:42:37,024 --> 00:42:40,544
Speaker 2: adult is so caught up in the Paddington movies and

1002
00:42:40,744 --> 00:42:43,904
Speaker 2: also so terrified of the outcome when they've watched the

1003
00:42:43,944 --> 00:42:44,624
Speaker 2: movie already.

1004
00:42:44,664 --> 00:42:47,504
Speaker 3: It's just so stressful. I'm so sad, and he just

1005
00:42:47,544 --> 00:42:50,944
Speaker 3: wants to find his family. He's just wants worry.

1006
00:42:50,984 --> 00:42:52,824
Speaker 2: We're not getting into this again, but just this is

1007
00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:55,024
Speaker 2: just a place anyway. I loved us having a cameo

1008
00:42:55,064 --> 00:42:55,544
Speaker 2: in this show.

1009
00:42:56,504 --> 00:43:00,104
Speaker 3: I was a cameo. But besides the copyright element of

1010
00:43:00,224 --> 00:43:02,344
Speaker 3: us in that scene, what I found really interesting in

1011
00:43:02,424 --> 00:43:06,504
Speaker 3: that scene is that you're constantly reminded of like the

1012
00:43:06,624 --> 00:43:09,944
Speaker 3: pool that she has to her ex partner Zave and

1013
00:43:10,064 --> 00:43:13,064
Speaker 3: his relationship with Wendy, because she's not only is she

1014
00:43:13,144 --> 00:43:15,944
Speaker 3: constantly talking to Wendy into her phone as like a

1015
00:43:16,024 --> 00:43:20,064
Speaker 3: coping mechanism, but she has like visions of Zave like

1016
00:43:20,224 --> 00:43:22,784
Speaker 3: with her, like she sees him when she's out, and

1017
00:43:22,864 --> 00:43:25,224
Speaker 3: she also sees him when things are really good for her,

1018
00:43:25,344 --> 00:43:27,744
Speaker 3: Like she's got like her dream man lying on her lap,

1019
00:43:27,864 --> 00:43:30,624
Speaker 3: crying over Paddington May and all she's doing is just

1020
00:43:30,744 --> 00:43:33,944
Speaker 3: checking Wendy's and Zave socials to see what they're doing.

1021
00:43:34,344 --> 00:43:36,704
Speaker 2: And that's such a big thing as we see their relationship,

1022
00:43:36,744 --> 00:43:38,424
Speaker 2: as we see them move out of the honeymoon period

1023
00:43:38,464 --> 00:43:40,624
Speaker 2: and we see them move into being in a full

1024
00:43:40,664 --> 00:43:42,984
Speaker 2: blown relationship, which a lot of happens because he has

1025
00:43:43,064 --> 00:43:44,784
Speaker 2: to move in with her. And that's the thing, like

1026
00:43:44,864 --> 00:43:48,824
Speaker 2: she's stalling in her career because she's self sabotaging, but

1027
00:43:48,904 --> 00:43:51,064
Speaker 2: he's stalling in his career because he's in his mid

1028
00:43:51,144 --> 00:43:53,464
Speaker 2: thirties in his music career has ever really taken off,

1029
00:43:53,584 --> 00:43:56,744
Speaker 2: and his sobriety has become his focus. And as we

1030
00:43:56,904 --> 00:43:59,544
Speaker 2: see more of Felix's backstory like that, that was to

1031
00:43:59,624 --> 00:44:01,784
Speaker 2: me the serious elements of the show where we see

1032
00:44:02,264 --> 00:44:05,344
Speaker 2: the codependency he's had on previous partners, but most of

1033
00:44:05,384 --> 00:44:07,264
Speaker 2: it comes from the fact where we meet his family.

1034
00:44:07,864 --> 00:44:11,384
Speaker 3: Yeah, that scene was so weird, like lip that and

1035
00:44:11,424 --> 00:44:13,464
Speaker 3: I think it like took up majority of the episode

1036
00:44:13,584 --> 00:44:16,264
Speaker 3: was him going back to see his family. So he's

1037
00:44:16,464 --> 00:44:19,744
Speaker 3: two parents and his sister who's in her forties, all

1038
00:44:19,824 --> 00:44:22,184
Speaker 3: lived together. They lived in this big mansion and then

1039
00:44:22,224 --> 00:44:24,664
Speaker 3: you find out that his dad isn't the best with

1040
00:44:24,904 --> 00:44:26,864
Speaker 3: money and I think has a bit of a gambling

1041
00:44:26,904 --> 00:44:28,864
Speaker 3: They were alluding to a bit of a gambling problem

1042
00:44:29,384 --> 00:44:31,984
Speaker 3: and had like bad investment strategy, so they had to

1043
00:44:32,104 --> 00:44:34,664
Speaker 3: move to a smaller house. But his mom and this

1044
00:44:34,784 --> 00:44:36,384
Speaker 3: is one of the scenes where I was like, oh, Lena,

1045
00:44:36,384 --> 00:44:39,784
Speaker 3: where she made the mom a bad driver, the Asian

1046
00:44:39,864 --> 00:44:42,544
Speaker 3: mom a bad driver. I was, we didn't really need it.

1047
00:44:44,704 --> 00:44:48,344
Speaker 3: But you see FELIXX go into his old house because

1048
00:44:48,344 --> 00:44:51,264
Speaker 3: it's vacant, it's completely empty, and it's like this massive mansion.

1049
00:44:51,304 --> 00:44:52,984
Speaker 3: So you can have a feeling of how he's been

1050
00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:55,384
Speaker 3: brought up, like as a private schoolboy and like everything

1051
00:44:55,464 --> 00:44:57,784
Speaker 3: he got. And then you like see him having these

1052
00:44:57,824 --> 00:45:01,064
Speaker 3: flashbacks of interactions with his parents, how his dad was

1053
00:45:01,184 --> 00:45:04,344
Speaker 3: very stern with him about school and grades, and how

1054
00:45:04,464 --> 00:45:08,664
Speaker 3: his mom was like this creative like person who loved

1055
00:45:08,704 --> 00:45:10,704
Speaker 3: him but also wanted to make sure that she was

1056
00:45:10,744 --> 00:45:13,864
Speaker 3: on her own like individual part. Yeah, and then like

1057
00:45:13,984 --> 00:45:16,504
Speaker 3: his sister really loved him and wanted to like hang

1058
00:45:16,584 --> 00:45:19,704
Speaker 3: out with him. And then he had a very serious

1059
00:45:19,744 --> 00:45:23,104
Speaker 3: situation with a really awful person who was then nanny.

1060
00:45:23,424 --> 00:45:26,304
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Nanny's sexually abusing him as a child,

1061
00:45:26,344 --> 00:45:29,384
Speaker 2: which is a horrific storyline, and I think when you

1062
00:45:29,744 --> 00:45:33,064
Speaker 2: realize what's happening, the enormity of that hits you in

1063
00:45:33,184 --> 00:45:35,664
Speaker 2: such a huge way. And it kind of goes on

1064
00:45:35,744 --> 00:45:39,664
Speaker 2: to show how it's really shaped Felix's character in terms

1065
00:45:39,704 --> 00:45:42,384
Speaker 2: of like the trauma, the unresolved trauma he still has

1066
00:45:42,464 --> 00:45:45,264
Speaker 2: from going through that situation. And again that's a scene

1067
00:45:45,264 --> 00:45:48,504
Speaker 2: of true intimacy when he tells Jessica that, because you

1068
00:45:49,024 --> 00:45:51,224
Speaker 2: do get the vibe that he just hasn't really said

1069
00:45:51,264 --> 00:45:53,584
Speaker 2: that to anyone, Like she's really the first person that

1070
00:45:53,744 --> 00:45:55,944
Speaker 2: he's shared this awful thing with.

1071
00:45:57,424 --> 00:46:00,104
Speaker 3: When she was like, I think I've also been molested.

1072
00:46:00,304 --> 00:46:03,224
Speaker 1: Oh no, I like not now, not now.

1073
00:46:04,504 --> 00:46:07,104
Speaker 3: But that beautiful scene where he was like trying to

1074
00:46:07,144 --> 00:46:10,384
Speaker 3: explain like his emotions around what happened to him, and

1075
00:46:10,504 --> 00:46:12,584
Speaker 3: he was like, well, my parents never tucked me in

1076
00:46:12,664 --> 00:46:13,904
Speaker 3: when I was a kid, and she was like, you've

1077
00:46:13,944 --> 00:46:16,384
Speaker 3: never been tucked in, And then she tucks him in

1078
00:46:16,544 --> 00:46:20,064
Speaker 3: and he tells her I love you for the first time.

1079
00:46:20,264 --> 00:46:23,024
Speaker 2: That was really beautiful. And then I know you cried

1080
00:46:23,064 --> 00:46:25,144
Speaker 2: because you sent me a photo of yourself crying.

1081
00:46:26,064 --> 00:46:28,424
Speaker 3: I did send a photo myself crying. Oh my god,

1082
00:46:28,624 --> 00:46:32,744
Speaker 3: Like that scene just absolutely destroyed me. Yeah, and that

1083
00:46:32,944 --> 00:46:36,424
Speaker 3: was a scene where I was like, Okay, I feel

1084
00:46:36,504 --> 00:46:37,664
Speaker 3: safe in this relationship.

1085
00:46:37,744 --> 00:46:40,464
Speaker 1: Now, oh she didn't have that goes to hell quickly.

1086
00:46:42,024 --> 00:46:46,024
Speaker 3: One of the most iconic episodes was where Jess gets

1087
00:46:46,064 --> 00:46:50,464
Speaker 3: invited to her boss's dinner party and like all her

1088
00:46:50,544 --> 00:46:53,784
Speaker 3: coworkers are there, she brings Felix as a date, even

1089
00:46:53,824 --> 00:46:56,344
Speaker 3: though they haven't really like cemented what exactly they are

1090
00:46:56,464 --> 00:46:58,104
Speaker 3: to each other, like they haven't called each other boy.

1091
00:46:58,304 --> 00:47:00,864
Speaker 1: Yeah, and her coworkers are very quick to point that out,

1092
00:47:00,904 --> 00:47:02,304
Speaker 1: being like how long you know this diet? A couple

1093
00:47:02,344 --> 00:47:02,744
Speaker 1: of days?

1094
00:47:03,104 --> 00:47:06,104
Speaker 2: And it's so important that it takes place in notting Hill. Well,

1095
00:47:06,144 --> 00:47:08,944
Speaker 2: first of all, the romanticization of notting Hill and the

1096
00:47:09,024 --> 00:47:10,744
Speaker 2: doors and everything is something that.

1097
00:47:10,824 --> 00:47:11,584
Speaker 1: Was really born.

1098
00:47:12,744 --> 00:47:14,904
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's something I feel like a lot of American

1099
00:47:14,944 --> 00:47:18,584
Speaker 2: and Australian girls have of like really romanticizing that neighborhood,

1100
00:47:18,744 --> 00:47:21,504
Speaker 2: especially after the movie notting Hill came out to the

1101
00:47:21,544 --> 00:47:23,584
Speaker 2: point where residents of notting Hill now will like get

1102
00:47:23,664 --> 00:47:26,224
Speaker 2: these tourists away from our front doors. And so I

1103
00:47:26,264 --> 00:47:29,104
Speaker 2: think that's very kind of very wrong com girl coded

1104
00:47:29,544 --> 00:47:31,304
Speaker 2: of her to go and pose in front of the

1105
00:47:31,384 --> 00:47:33,624
Speaker 2: doors and be really swept up in that rom com

1106
00:47:33,744 --> 00:47:36,864
Speaker 2: life and for him to be really like thinking it's

1107
00:47:36,944 --> 00:47:39,664
Speaker 2: ridiculous as someone who's like been raised in London.

1108
00:47:40,104 --> 00:47:42,344
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you find out, we find out why Felix

1109
00:47:42,384 --> 00:47:44,184
Speaker 3: hates it because he's had a lot of history with

1110
00:47:44,424 --> 00:47:46,944
Speaker 3: especially the family that they're going to see. So we

1111
00:47:47,064 --> 00:47:49,544
Speaker 3: get there, Naomi Watts opens the door.

1112
00:47:49,704 --> 00:47:52,344
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, come on in, so important, She's.

1113
00:47:52,264 --> 00:47:56,424
Speaker 3: So important, And it is the best type of party.

1114
00:47:56,544 --> 00:47:58,064
Speaker 3: I feel like this is the type of party that

1115
00:47:58,144 --> 00:48:00,944
Speaker 3: I only ever want to have. It is crazy. It's

1116
00:48:00,984 --> 00:48:04,384
Speaker 3: full of people that I absolutely hate. It's full of

1117
00:48:04,424 --> 00:48:06,704
Speaker 3: people who are so up themselves, who are so like

1118
00:48:06,784 --> 00:48:10,984
Speaker 3: specific in their personalities. The costumes are insane. They do

1119
00:48:11,144 --> 00:48:14,024
Speaker 3: a lot of drugs, a lot of alcohol, and we

1120
00:48:14,144 --> 00:48:17,344
Speaker 3: find out that like this is one of the big

1121
00:48:17,464 --> 00:48:21,704
Speaker 3: reasons where Felix struggles in being sober, because like, you

1122
00:48:21,824 --> 00:48:24,384
Speaker 3: have to be sober with all these people who are

1123
00:48:24,424 --> 00:48:27,224
Speaker 3: in your face doing like racks of cocaine like in

1124
00:48:27,304 --> 00:48:29,984
Speaker 3: front of you, and everyone's dancing crazy and getting very

1125
00:48:30,104 --> 00:48:31,984
Speaker 3: intimate with each other, and you're just kind of standing

1126
00:48:32,024 --> 00:48:34,544
Speaker 3: there as the only sober one in the corner.

1127
00:48:34,584 --> 00:48:36,824
Speaker 2: Kind of watching all that unfold. And I also think

1128
00:48:36,824 --> 00:48:39,264
Speaker 2: it's so telling because we know Lena Dunham wrote all

1129
00:48:39,304 --> 00:48:42,144
Speaker 2: these characters with specific actors in mind. So when she

1130
00:48:42,264 --> 00:48:45,184
Speaker 2: wrote that part for Nami, what's the character starts talking about?

1131
00:48:45,224 --> 00:48:47,184
Speaker 2: Like menopause and no one talks about and all these

1132
00:48:47,224 --> 00:48:50,024
Speaker 2: sorts of things along with all her crazy rich lady stuff.

1133
00:48:50,384 --> 00:48:52,664
Speaker 2: And I think that's such an interesting line to nameI

1134
00:48:52,704 --> 00:48:55,584
Speaker 2: what's his real life? Because she went through menopause very

1135
00:48:55,624 --> 00:48:58,464
Speaker 2: early in her life, and she's been very outspoken about it,

1136
00:48:58,544 --> 00:49:00,344
Speaker 2: to the fact that she's released a whole book about it,

1137
00:49:00,744 --> 00:49:02,944
Speaker 2: she's done so many interviews about it. So that thing

1138
00:49:03,024 --> 00:49:05,264
Speaker 2: of like peppering a few of their real life details

1139
00:49:05,344 --> 00:49:05,864
Speaker 2: through the show.

1140
00:49:06,224 --> 00:49:10,704
Speaker 3: You see Jessica and Anne, who's played by Nami Watts,

1141
00:49:10,824 --> 00:49:15,824
Speaker 3: like strike this friendship, which is so specific to every

1142
00:49:15,864 --> 00:49:17,864
Speaker 3: woman in their twenties who meets an older woman that

1143
00:49:17,944 --> 00:49:20,384
Speaker 3: she becomes obsessed with it. Yeah, Like, there are women

1144
00:49:20,784 --> 00:49:23,304
Speaker 3: in my life who are like now probably like we

1145
00:49:23,504 --> 00:49:25,464
Speaker 3: laugh about it now, but when they first came into

1146
00:49:25,504 --> 00:49:27,504
Speaker 3: my life and they weren't related to me, they're just

1147
00:49:27,624 --> 00:49:29,384
Speaker 3: I just met them out at work or in the

1148
00:49:29,504 --> 00:49:32,504
Speaker 3: open who are like older and by older I mean

1149
00:49:32,664 --> 00:49:35,304
Speaker 3: like in their like mid forties to early fifteen. Yeah,

1150
00:49:35,304 --> 00:49:38,664
Speaker 3: I was like you who I just latched on, and

1151
00:49:38,744 --> 00:49:41,424
Speaker 3: I'm like, you are the most ethereal being.

1152
00:49:42,064 --> 00:49:43,144
Speaker 1: There's so many catalysts.

1153
00:49:43,184 --> 00:49:46,024
Speaker 2: Then in the Felix and Jessica relationship of like them

1154
00:49:46,104 --> 00:49:49,064
Speaker 2: living together, the dinner party, when they go to the

1155
00:49:49,104 --> 00:49:49,864
Speaker 2: wedding together.

1156
00:49:49,664 --> 00:49:53,504
Speaker 3: At the breakup and she like falls off the balcony it's.

1157
00:49:53,504 --> 00:49:56,024
Speaker 2: So good, so good, goes back and like nothing happened

1158
00:49:56,384 --> 00:49:57,904
Speaker 2: that leads to this breakup.

1159
00:49:58,024 --> 00:50:01,424
Speaker 1: Also Felix looking up with an older woman, and the

1160
00:50:01,464 --> 00:50:02,424
Speaker 1: most important moment of.

1161
00:50:02,384 --> 00:50:05,264
Speaker 2: The show the death of Astrod where she arap I

1162
00:50:05,384 --> 00:50:07,904
Speaker 2: was really Astrad moment of silence, and all of this

1163
00:50:08,304 --> 00:50:12,544
Speaker 2: culminates in building up to the finale. And this is

1164
00:50:12,544 --> 00:50:15,024
Speaker 2: what's really interesting is that this is where Lena Dunham

1165
00:50:15,024 --> 00:50:17,904
Speaker 2: has always said that she really wanted to follow the

1166
00:50:18,384 --> 00:50:21,584
Speaker 2: blueprint of a traditional rom com. So she wanted the

1167
00:50:21,704 --> 00:50:24,144
Speaker 2: catalyst for the female character to change her life and

1168
00:50:24,184 --> 00:50:26,784
Speaker 2: have an adventure. She wanted the meet cute, she wanted,

1169
00:50:26,824 --> 00:50:29,984
Speaker 2: then the intimate relationship, and then something that brings the

1170
00:50:30,104 --> 00:50:32,784
Speaker 2: characters apart, and then the biggest moment in a rom

1171
00:50:32,864 --> 00:50:36,224
Speaker 2: com is always when the characters decide no, we are

1172
00:50:36,264 --> 00:50:38,624
Speaker 2: going to be together. Even then they resolve any of

1173
00:50:38,664 --> 00:50:39,584
Speaker 2: their issues, which.

1174
00:50:39,464 --> 00:50:41,024
Speaker 1: Leads us to the protest moment.

1175
00:50:41,504 --> 00:50:46,064
Speaker 3: Okay, so you see the scene and you see Felix's parents,

1176
00:50:46,264 --> 00:50:48,224
Speaker 3: and you see Jess's mum and a sister, and you

1177
00:50:48,344 --> 00:50:50,664
Speaker 3: see like her co workers, and you're like, oh, are

1178
00:50:50,704 --> 00:50:52,624
Speaker 3: they hosting like a dinner party? Like are they like

1179
00:50:52,704 --> 00:50:54,664
Speaker 3: having the friends together? They're all friends and they're like

1180
00:50:54,704 --> 00:51:00,184
Speaker 3: meeting each other's families. No, you find out it's their

1181
00:51:00,264 --> 00:51:01,704
Speaker 3: wedding exactly.

1182
00:51:01,824 --> 00:51:04,024
Speaker 2: So they have the protest scene, and again this is

1183
00:51:04,104 --> 00:51:06,344
Speaker 2: what Lena Dunham has said, this was her classic like

1184
00:51:06,824 --> 00:51:09,544
Speaker 2: run through the airport, or like Matthew McConaughey on the

1185
00:51:09,624 --> 00:51:12,504
Speaker 2: motorbike seeing Kate Hudson through the streets of New York

1186
00:51:12,584 --> 00:51:14,344
Speaker 2: and How to Lose a Guy in ten Days or

1187
00:51:14,664 --> 00:51:16,864
Speaker 2: any of those moments. All rom comms have that moment

1188
00:51:17,104 --> 00:51:19,344
Speaker 2: where someone or like Hugh Grant going to the press

1189
00:51:19,464 --> 00:51:22,304
Speaker 2: conference and standing up and like, you know, telling Julia

1190
00:51:22,384 --> 00:51:24,104
Speaker 2: Robertson this way that he loves her. Like it's so

1191
00:51:25,024 --> 00:51:26,704
Speaker 2: Tom Hanks and me and Ryan meeting in the park.

1192
00:51:27,064 --> 00:51:29,624
Speaker 2: In You've Got Mail, like, there's this moment where one

1193
00:51:29,744 --> 00:51:32,664
Speaker 2: character makes a big gesture and they just put aside

1194
00:51:32,704 --> 00:51:34,504
Speaker 2: all their differences because they're in love. So we had

1195
00:51:34,544 --> 00:51:35,304
Speaker 2: that the protest.

1196
00:51:35,544 --> 00:51:37,424
Speaker 3: Yeah, well she's the only one getting arrested.

1197
00:51:38,264 --> 00:51:38,424
Speaker 2: Now.

1198
00:51:39,104 --> 00:51:40,784
Speaker 1: What did you think of the wedding scene when you

1199
00:51:40,864 --> 00:51:41,144
Speaker 1: saw it?

1200
00:51:42,104 --> 00:51:46,904
Speaker 3: Okay, Initially I was like, what the damn hell?

1201
00:51:47,184 --> 00:51:48,304
Speaker 1: Why would they do this?

1202
00:51:48,504 --> 00:51:52,184
Speaker 3: They just ruined this whole show. Everything is done. I

1203
00:51:52,344 --> 00:51:54,144
Speaker 3: never want to talk about it, No one to talk

1204
00:51:54,184 --> 00:51:54,744
Speaker 3: about the show.

1205
00:51:54,864 --> 00:51:57,224
Speaker 1: It is such angry. I didn't know you were that anger.

1206
00:51:57,304 --> 00:52:00,664
Speaker 3: I was so angry because it was so sudden, and

1207
00:52:01,504 --> 00:52:03,744
Speaker 3: up until that point, even after the protest and the

1208
00:52:03,784 --> 00:52:07,024
Speaker 3: big moment, it felt like these characters should definitely not

1209
00:52:07,184 --> 00:52:10,624
Speaker 3: be together, yeah, or even if they are together, like

1210
00:52:10,864 --> 00:52:12,944
Speaker 3: very rocky, and like things are still going wrong and

1211
00:52:13,024 --> 00:52:14,944
Speaker 3: he's still scared to hold her hand in public and

1212
00:52:14,984 --> 00:52:18,144
Speaker 3: say I love you yeah, and like call her girlfriend,

1213
00:52:18,504 --> 00:52:20,904
Speaker 3: And it just seemed like there's just so much things

1214
00:52:20,944 --> 00:52:23,264
Speaker 3: I were left unseaid, and yet they still got married.

1215
00:52:23,544 --> 00:52:25,984
Speaker 3: And there was like the specific scene where she was

1216
00:52:26,064 --> 00:52:28,064
Speaker 3: like you're not gonna leave, right, or something like that,

1217
00:52:28,264 --> 00:52:30,064
Speaker 3: and he was just like maybe and like taking a joke,

1218
00:52:30,104 --> 00:52:31,184
Speaker 3: but like you're like.

1219
00:52:31,304 --> 00:52:31,824
Speaker 2: Is it a joke?

1220
00:52:32,264 --> 00:52:32,904
Speaker 1: That is the point.

1221
00:52:32,904 --> 00:52:34,504
Speaker 2: I had the same thought when I was watching Well,

1222
00:52:34,544 --> 00:52:36,104
Speaker 2: first of all, I thought I'd missed it episode. I

1223
00:52:36,184 --> 00:52:37,384
Speaker 2: was like, wait, I know we just had like a

1224
00:52:37,544 --> 00:52:40,224
Speaker 2: rogue proposal, but are we seriously jumping from the rogue

1225
00:52:40,264 --> 00:52:42,424
Speaker 2: proposal in the middle of the road for two people

1226
00:52:42,504 --> 00:52:44,664
Speaker 2: who clearly are not in a good spot together? Are

1227
00:52:44,704 --> 00:52:47,704
Speaker 2: we jumping from that tall wedding? And there's two reasons

1228
00:52:47,744 --> 00:52:50,264
Speaker 2: that that happened. One is that again, Lena Dunaman loves

1229
00:52:50,304 --> 00:52:52,344
Speaker 2: a rom com and she knows that a rom com

1230
00:52:52,544 --> 00:52:54,744
Speaker 2: ends in a wedding, no matter how many problems the

1231
00:52:54,864 --> 00:52:58,264
Speaker 2: characters are having. So Lena Dunham wanted that moment where

1232
00:52:58,304 --> 00:53:00,224
Speaker 2: she wanted the audience to see that was a finality

1233
00:53:00,304 --> 00:53:01,904
Speaker 2: to what they were doing, that we're going to be together.

1234
00:53:02,344 --> 00:53:05,344
Speaker 2: But also, and this is Lena Dunham's like secret shame,

1235
00:53:06,144 --> 00:53:09,064
Speaker 2: is that she always wanted to be a bride and

1236
00:53:09,184 --> 00:53:12,144
Speaker 2: she always wanted the be wedding, and that again shouldn't

1237
00:53:12,144 --> 00:53:15,384
Speaker 2: be shameful, but she sort of has acknowledged that she

1238
00:53:15,584 --> 00:53:18,024
Speaker 2: is seen as this kind of like a woman who

1239
00:53:18,184 --> 00:53:23,344
Speaker 2: champions like, you know, friendship above romance, independence, all these things.

1240
00:53:23,384 --> 00:53:25,104
Speaker 2: And also she said she was raised in her house

1241
00:53:25,104 --> 00:53:27,264
Speaker 2: where her mother, even though her mother was married with kids,

1242
00:53:27,344 --> 00:53:29,424
Speaker 2: was also like, it's not the most important thing, Like

1243
00:53:29,464 --> 00:53:32,264
Speaker 2: we don't aspire to be brides. We aspire to create art.

1244
00:53:32,344 --> 00:53:34,264
Speaker 2: We aspire to be business women, like that's what we do.

1245
00:53:34,744 --> 00:53:38,584
Speaker 2: And Lena was like, outwardly, yeah, okay, but inside she

1246
00:53:38,704 --> 00:53:40,424
Speaker 2: wanted to wear the white dress and she wanted the

1247
00:53:40,464 --> 00:53:40,984
Speaker 2: big party.

1248
00:53:41,144 --> 00:53:42,304
Speaker 1: She did do that exactly.

1249
00:53:42,344 --> 00:53:45,344
Speaker 2: I can just do that. No, that's why when Lena

1250
00:53:45,584 --> 00:53:48,104
Speaker 2: got married to Louis. That's why they had the big

1251
00:53:48,184 --> 00:53:50,344
Speaker 2: wedding that was in vogue, with Taylor Switch as the

1252
00:53:50,344 --> 00:53:52,704
Speaker 2: bridesmaid and her wearing like the frothy dresses. It's like

1253
00:53:52,784 --> 00:53:54,784
Speaker 2: she wanted to lean into this theme though she knew

1254
00:53:54,824 --> 00:53:57,104
Speaker 2: she shouldn't, and so she wanted to give Jess that.

1255
00:53:57,664 --> 00:53:59,344
Speaker 2: But this is the weird thing. It's like she wanted

1256
00:53:59,384 --> 00:54:01,624
Speaker 2: to give Jess that. But then she says, I also

1257
00:54:01,744 --> 00:54:05,024
Speaker 2: wanted the audience to feel uneasy when the show finished.

1258
00:54:04,984 --> 00:54:05,904
Speaker 3: Which which we did.

1259
00:54:06,224 --> 00:54:07,184
Speaker 1: Just Telena Dunnam.

1260
00:54:07,504 --> 00:54:08,984
Speaker 2: The whole point of her rom com is that the

1261
00:54:09,064 --> 00:54:11,624
Speaker 2: audience feels happy and safe at the end, but she

1262
00:54:11,744 --> 00:54:13,944
Speaker 2: wanted to give us that safety these her own words,

1263
00:54:13,944 --> 00:54:16,224
Speaker 2: she wanted to give us the safety and then take

1264
00:54:16,304 --> 00:54:19,064
Speaker 2: it away. And that is why in that moment, he

1265
00:54:19,144 --> 00:54:21,104
Speaker 2: says to her, you didn't We'll say together, Phillix suggests,

1266
00:54:21,104 --> 00:54:22,864
Speaker 2: and they kind of laugh and look worried, and their

1267
00:54:22,904 --> 00:54:25,944
Speaker 2: family looks worried. And it's because Lena Dunham wanted us

1268
00:54:25,984 --> 00:54:30,104
Speaker 2: to end this show feeling unsettled and feeling worried about

1269
00:54:30,144 --> 00:54:33,824
Speaker 2: their futures and feeling like there's a huge possibility that

1270
00:54:33,904 --> 00:54:35,024
Speaker 2: they broke up a month later.

1271
00:54:35,264 --> 00:54:39,384
Speaker 3: Well, mission accomplished, Yeah, exactly, because I did leave feeling unsettled. Yeah,

1272
00:54:39,784 --> 00:54:41,584
Speaker 3: but I have like gone back because I was like, oh,

1273
00:54:41,664 --> 00:54:45,024
Speaker 3: this is really smart storytelling on her behalf, because that

1274
00:54:45,344 --> 00:54:47,664
Speaker 3: is the last scene that she ended it on, is

1275
00:54:47,744 --> 00:54:51,104
Speaker 3: the scene that will like young women in schools are

1276
00:54:51,144 --> 00:54:53,264
Speaker 3: going to be writing essays on, like everyone's going to

1277
00:54:53,264 --> 00:54:54,824
Speaker 3: be talking about It's going to be in our cultural

1278
00:54:55,184 --> 00:54:57,904
Speaker 3: like zygeist for like the next year at least.

1279
00:54:58,344 --> 00:55:01,584
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, So, I guess I felt a bit better

1280
00:55:01,624 --> 00:55:03,544
Speaker 2: when I had Lina's reasoning, which is why I wanted

1281
00:55:03,544 --> 00:55:05,464
Speaker 2: to share that with the spill listeners because I finished

1282
00:55:05,504 --> 00:55:08,584
Speaker 2: and the screen went to black, and Netflix is like,

1283
00:55:08,664 --> 00:55:09,904
Speaker 2: do you want to watch this next? I was like,

1284
00:55:10,104 --> 00:55:13,064
Speaker 2: hang on a second, flex Netflix, I'm still dealing with this.

1285
00:55:13,304 --> 00:55:14,424
Speaker 3: I'm all ready for Brooklyn.

1286
00:55:15,024 --> 00:55:17,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just watch Gilmore Girls again. I will in

1287
00:55:17,304 --> 00:55:17,664
Speaker 1: a minute.

1288
00:55:17,704 --> 00:55:20,544
Speaker 2: They just give me a second, because I just devoted

1289
00:55:20,624 --> 00:55:23,424
Speaker 2: ten hours of my life to this show and it

1290
00:55:23,504 --> 00:55:25,384
Speaker 2: has and I thought I was eating I actually thought

1291
00:55:25,424 --> 00:55:26,984
Speaker 2: that they were going to decide not to be together,

1292
00:55:27,384 --> 00:55:29,384
Speaker 2: but that was going to just be some beautiful thing

1293
00:55:29,464 --> 00:55:30,944
Speaker 2: that happened to her in London, and it was going

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Speaker 2: to be this like bittersweet moment.

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Speaker 1: That's what I thought was gonna It would.

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Speaker 3: Have been like a ten years later or even they

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Speaker 3: just kissed at.

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Speaker 1: The end, and then it's not the promise of a wedding.

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Speaker 1: It's just like, oh they kissed.

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Speaker 3: You're like, and they've just been back in with each other.

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Speaker 1: I mean, something happened.

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Speaker 2: The wedding was so final and also so daunting because

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Speaker 2: you just knew as a viewer it was going to

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Speaker 2: end really badly. And so I just want everyone who

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Speaker 2: finished this show thinking, I feel oddly upset. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: were meant to that's that overall, though too.

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Speaker 1: Much on Netflix by Lena Dunham. An incredible show.

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Speaker 3: Great show, such good storytelling. Definitely one to make sure

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Speaker 3: all your friends watch because you want to just dissect

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Speaker 3: this with everyone in your life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And I hope it comes back from a

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Speaker 2: season two, which that's still up in the air.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would love to see this out.

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Speaker 2: I actually just want a Wendy spinoff because that scene

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Speaker 2: between Wendy and Jessica was so incredible where you find

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Speaker 2: out that behind it all, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: Wendy is just a girl's girl and they both suffered

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Speaker 2: from this man and they find common ground. Just outstanding television,

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Speaker 2: and I just I want to come back for a

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Speaker 2: season two.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're putting it out there. I mean you you're

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Speaker 3: already stolen from us, dun so you may as well

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Speaker 3: do this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, write us more directly into.

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Speaker 3: The show, give you some more content for you to

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today.

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Speaker 3: Make sure you follow us on TikTok and Instagram at

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Speaker 3: The Spill podcast. The Spill is produced by Manitias Warren,

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Speaker 3: Resound production by Scott's Trunnik and we'll be back here

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Speaker 3: on your podcast feed at three pm on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye, plan It