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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Seas the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy
Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
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Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day
Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm
Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned
Speaker 1: funentrepreneurs whapped the suits and heels to co found matcha
Speaker 1: Maiden and matcha Milkbar. CZA is a series of conversations
Speaker 1: on finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge,
Speaker 1: joy and fulfillment along the way. Every single week, I'm
Speaker 1: amazed at how generous people are with their time and
Speaker 1: agreeing to jump on the show. But every now and
Speaker 1: then a guest says yes, who I reached out to
Speaker 1: one thousand percent, expecting a polite no, if not total
Speaker 1: radio silence. And this week we have two of those
Speaker 1: who I admire so much, not only as separately incredibly
Speaker 1: impressive individuals, but also as a wonderful couple who navigate careers, compromise,
Speaker 1: and continual growth together in a way that made me
Speaker 1: fall a little bit in love with them. As you'll
Speaker 1: probably hear, yes, I know, I come on real hard
Speaker 1: and real fast, and if you don't like how obsessed
Speaker 1: I get with all of our guests, this might not
Speaker 1: be the place for you. On the one hand, we
Speaker 1: have an Adelaide boy, Joe, whose big dream was played
Speaker 1: basketball for his state, but who went far beyond that
Speaker 1: to find himself at the pinnacle of the game, playing
Speaker 1: for the NBA for the Utah Jazz and leading the
Speaker 1: Boomers to our first ever Olympic medal in basketball in
Speaker 1: Tokyo earlier this year. On the other hand, we have Renee,
Speaker 1: a superstar netballer, tearing up the court for the Melbourne
Speaker 1: Fixens and then the Australian Diamonds, pulling in a host
Speaker 1: of accoladess too long to list here along the way
Speaker 1: before she retired to focus on motherhood. You can see
Speaker 1: why I couldn't believe they were happy to sit down
Speaker 1: to share the YA or even have the time to,
Speaker 1: especially as it was their first interview together in two
Speaker 1: years and Joe's first since the Olympics, and as usual,
Speaker 1: I loved tracing through their ways to YA, but most
Speaker 1: enjoyed the parts we don't hear about as much, with
Speaker 1: everything from the real story of how they fell in love,
Speaker 1: the challenge of moving countries with three kids and juggling
Speaker 1: two big careers, their sons diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder,
Speaker 1: and the many endearing in between the Ingles family. I
Speaker 1: so enjoyed getting to know to hard working, family focused
Speaker 1: humans who are far more normal than their bios might suggest.
Speaker 1: Their work with charities Culture City and for asd Kids
Speaker 1: nearly brought me to tears. And Renee is just weeks
Speaker 1: away now from running her first ever marathon to raise
Speaker 1: funds for the fight for inclusion and acceptance, spurred by
Speaker 1: her son Jacob and his bestie Oliver, who faced their
Speaker 1: own fears and challenges every day. And I'd love the
Speaker 1: yighborhood to get behind her where you can. I'll talk
Speaker 1: more about that and share links at the end. I
Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoy this delightful duo as much as
Speaker 1: I did. Joe and Renee Ingles, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, excited to be here. I've listened to you for
Speaker 2: a while now. I'm very excited to be on the
Speaker 2: other side.
Speaker 1: Oh, it is such an honor. As I said before,
Speaker 1: a little notification just came up saying Joe Ingles is
Speaker 1: in the waiting room and I was like, wow, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen that dude since I watched him play live
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. I mean, we may best friends then,
Speaker 1: so I let us see you again.
Speaker 4: I'm closer there at the game than we are right now.
Speaker 4: It's going on.
Speaker 1: So yeah, long time. How you been great?
Speaker 3: A lot's changed since whatever year that was eight nineteen.
Speaker 3: So yeah, different world we live in today, know.
Speaker 1: Gosh, it's crazy. It still feels like we're in a movie.
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting to wake up and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can come over to you. Otherwise I would have
Speaker 1: made the trip. I would have been like, this is
Speaker 1: a business expense. I need to come over and see
Speaker 1: Joe and Renee, just hang out with Biancha in Utah.
Speaker 3: Gal.
Speaker 2: I know, honestly, we just hope that this is all
Speaker 2: a bad dreaming, that one day we wake up and
Speaker 2: that things have changed, because we actually haven't been.
Speaker 5: Home to Australia and over two and a half years now.
Speaker 2: And had you told us that two and a half
Speaker 2: years ago, we would have just laughed at you and
Speaker 2: said absolutely not.
Speaker 5: You know, family and friends.
Speaker 2: And Australia is such a huge part of who we are,
Speaker 2: so we're missing normal life like a lot of people are. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. It's funny though, you know, I often try and
Speaker 1: find at least the silver like us. It's a stretch
Speaker 1: some days, but there's always a small silver lighting. And
Speaker 1: I think about this all the time. Imagine doing this
Speaker 1: if there was ever going to be a global pandemic.
Speaker 1: Imagine doing it without the Internet, like before FaceTime and
Speaker 1: before Zoom, what would you have done like smoke signaled
Speaker 1: your family in Australia.
Speaker 5: Honestly, yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it has been a great leveler also. And
Speaker 1: on that note, Renae and how you'll know from listening
Speaker 1: to the podcast that I like to start with a
Speaker 1: little leveler, a bit of a nice breaker to ask
Speaker 1: everyone what the most down to earth or relatable thing
Speaker 1: is about them, which is a bit of a weird question,
Speaker 1: but I think it's just really important because you do
Speaker 1: often get this glossy, surface level identity when you read
Speaker 1: the media or social media, and particularly in the case
Speaker 1: of you guys, where both of you have had stellar
Speaker 1: career and known around the world for your achievements. If
Speaker 1: we walked into your life at this chapter, you could
Speaker 1: easily assume that you've always had this level of purpose,
Speaker 1: of clarity of direction. But you know, there's always so
Speaker 1: much behind the scenes as well, So what's something really
Speaker 1: relatable about you? And why don't you answer for each other?
Speaker 1: You can dish the dirt on the snoring.
Speaker 4: Or I'm a snorer.
Speaker 3: I can happily definitely if I sleep on my back,
Speaker 3: or if I have a couple too many beers, my snoring.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's more of a couch night. If I come
Speaker 4: home after.
Speaker 5: A few beers, it's a couch.
Speaker 4: She can't get me with that one.
Speaker 3: I'm well aware and I'm very comfortable within myself with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad. Yep, get it out, get ahead of
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 3: She would have belt me because I actually enjoy sleeping
Speaker 3: on my back sometimes, but she will like belt me
Speaker 3: and elbow me if she.
Speaker 4: Like snoring on your back and I roll over on
Speaker 4: the side again.
Speaker 1: And the sacrifices you make.
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard committed, right, Oh yeah, No, I
Speaker 2: think in answering your question, I think when people look
Speaker 2: at our instagrams, look at our story on paper, or
Speaker 2: even just you know, sort of think about Joe being
Speaker 2: an NBA player, the generalization is that it's a pretty luxurious, sparkly,
Speaker 2: glamorous life. And I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: there's especially for us, less.
Speaker 5: Of that than any of the sparkle.
Speaker 4: If you can see the mess line this camera right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually and obviously even more so now during
Speaker 2: the pandemic, but even beforehand it's actually quite a lonely existence,
Speaker 2: and that's for both of us. So, you know, when
Speaker 2: Joe's on the road, he gets to stay in nice
Speaker 2: hotels and they fly in charter flights and get nice
Speaker 2: meals and all of that, but at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, he's lying in a hotel bed alone or
Speaker 2: watching TV and stuff and missing out on what the
Speaker 2: kids and I are doing here back home. And then
Speaker 2: the reverse, so I'm home with the kids down, getting
Speaker 2: dirty and miss.
Speaker 5: You know exactly.
Speaker 2: And I think at the end of the day, what
Speaker 2: probably I think we hope keeps us grounded and is
Speaker 2: most relatable is.
Speaker 5: Just that our kids are our world.
Speaker 2: So you know, you can have all the accolades or
Speaker 2: the basketball or you know, any of the fancy bright
Speaker 2: lights and designer clothes or nice cars or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, it's just about
Speaker 2: our kids. And ninety eight percent of our day revolves
Speaker 2: around keeping those kids happy and healthy, and then everything
Speaker 2: else comes second to that.
Speaker 5: So, you know, just like any average parents, I guess
Speaker 5: you could say.
Speaker 2: And from Joe's perspective, you know, you look at his
Speaker 2: last couple of years and what he's achieved on the
Speaker 2: basketball court and off the basketball court, which to me
Speaker 2: is probably more important. At the end of the day,
Speaker 2: he's my husband, Joe, and he's the kid's dad like
Speaker 2: his dad. He's not joeing with the NBA player John's
Speaker 2: medallist at the Olympics. He's he's daughter.
Speaker 3: Although some days I come home and all the Miller's
Speaker 3: friends call me mister Joe Ingles.
Speaker 2: That're so cute.
Speaker 3: They call mister Renee or mister Joe, but sometimes they
Speaker 3: get a bit like joking.
Speaker 4: With it, and they're like, and then Miller will come
Speaker 4: home and be like Joe Ingles, Joe Ingles with pretty
Speaker 4: funny games, because yeah, I could have a.
Speaker 3: Career high or have the worst game in the world,
Speaker 3: and I obviously get to come home and regardless of that,
Speaker 3: I'm dad and I'm still taking the trash out or whatever.
Speaker 4: Like, we were very regular people.
Speaker 5: We are very very boring, very poor.
Speaker 3: So when I got asked to go on the Housewives
Speaker 3: of Salt Lake City or whatever you call.
Speaker 1: It, stop edge. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Another one of.
Speaker 3: My teammates wives did as well, and obviously she was
Speaker 3: never going to do it from her own well, neither
Speaker 3: of us would have wanted to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can already see. It's like not your vibe.
Speaker 3: We would laugh about it all the time because it
Speaker 3: would be like literally like if you could see there's
Speaker 3: like kids crap everywhere and we're like they.
Speaker 4: Would be like, oh, what are you guys going to
Speaker 4: do today?
Speaker 3: Like for the filming or like we're not like we
Speaker 3: played laser tag for like four hours an.
Speaker 2: Hour and then we've got to drive the kids to
Speaker 2: school or therapy, or we've got to go to swimming
Speaker 2: lessons or a soccer game.
Speaker 5: But other than like you're going to get too many
Speaker 5: parties or any fun.
Speaker 1: Stuff out of the Tlama moments.
Speaker 2: I think it would have been the first, probably quickest
Speaker 2: to be hired and fired on a reality TV show.
Speaker 4: That nine o'clock every night. It would have been extremely boring.
Speaker 2: But we're very, very lucky, and I have wonderful opportunities
Speaker 2: to live a great life because of what Joe does.
Speaker 2: But it's actually all of the small things that we
Speaker 2: probably appreciate more on a daily.
Speaker 3: Basis, and it gives us an opportunity to give back,
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's the most rewarding part.
Speaker 2: That was a really long windowed answer. Yeah, maybe we
Speaker 2: obviously think we're very grounded.
Speaker 1: We are so we are like so so unbelieve it.
Speaker 1: We are under the ground. But this is why I
Speaker 1: love this show so much because even that answer is amazing,
Speaker 1: Like people forget you guys have to take out the ruppish,
Speaker 1: like you have normal parent, family life things. And even
Speaker 1: though you do get all the accolades, and that's all wonderful,
Speaker 1: and that's what the media love to focus on and
Speaker 1: when they tell your story, but the bit that I
Speaker 1: think is more exciting, and that makes it's so lovely
Speaker 1: to get to know who you are when you're not
Speaker 1: that because you can't take all that stuff with you.
Speaker 1: It means a lot too obviously along the way, but
Speaker 1: it's not the be all and end all. What I
Speaker 1: had picked as my answer if I was going to
Speaker 1: speak on your behalf because we're best friends obviously obviously
Speaker 1: that I thought made you really down to earth was
Speaker 1: you did get after four fourth places of the boomers
Speaker 1: in three Olympics that the first bronze medal from the
Speaker 1: Olympics that you brought home. Miller was like, well, I
Speaker 1: won bronze two in my soccer participation medal, and so
Speaker 1: our medals. They're the same. They're the same medal. Obviously.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's humbling in our living.
Speaker 3: Room, like we can see it from here, like laying
Speaker 3: on a door in our living room next to Miller's,
Speaker 3: so every time Miller opens.
Speaker 4: The door, it's like clean clon bangu dent.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was a very grounding moment after like
Speaker 3: probably the biggest achievement of my basketball career. Yeah, Miller
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, cool, but I got one last year
Speaker 3: when I was playing songs.
Speaker 1: So obviously the same.
Speaker 5: Well it works in me absolute reverse of that as well,
Speaker 5: Like there have.
Speaker 2: Been some hard losses that Joe's taken, or I remember
Speaker 2: when you came home after losing that last playoff match
Speaker 2: and we all have breakfast tore together and Milla was like,
Speaker 2: did you win? And You're like no, She was okay,
Speaker 2: next time, so what are we having for breakfast?
Speaker 5: Like, kids keep me grounded. Yeah, I keep you grounded.
Speaker 1: And that's a beautiful thing about children as well. I
Speaker 1: just love that they have no perception that you're like
Speaker 1: super famous and really successful. It's just like your your
Speaker 1: mom and dad.
Speaker 3: I do get some like random hellos and whatever in
Speaker 3: the streets and Miller always Miller is very switched on
Speaker 3: with it as always, like why did he just say
Speaker 3: hello to you?
Speaker 4: I don't even know.
Speaker 5: What are your friend?
Speaker 4: Da?
Speaker 1: Are you mate? Like me? Is that chick on? Oh
Speaker 1: she's your friend? I know she is. Oh gosh. Well,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned to you guys before we started recording,
Speaker 1: I think because there is so much out there, so
Speaker 1: much material out there on the amazing things you have done.
Speaker 1: Of course I want to talk a little bit about,
Speaker 1: you know, the highs of your career, but also to
Speaker 1: talk about how you got there, all the chapters that
Speaker 1: don't get any airtime but that have formed who you are,
Speaker 1: and also all the work that you've done. Once you
Speaker 1: do have a really big platform, a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't necessarily do anything with it, but you guys have
Speaker 1: gone on to do some really, really wonderful work based
Speaker 1: on your family experience. So I'd love to spend a
Speaker 1: little bit more time on that stuff today because it
Speaker 1: is such a privilege to have you both. I know
Speaker 1: it's the first interview you've done in two years together,
Speaker 1: so I feel very very privileged right now.
Speaker 3: The Olympics, I did one quick, like two minute thing
Speaker 3: after a couple of days after on one of my
Speaker 3: friends radio shows at Adelaide, just because she asked, and
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, cool, we were sitting but this
Speaker 3: is like the first the first one.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, so much yany guys are bestie, I
Speaker 2: remember what happened.
Speaker 1: It's what you do, it's you know what it is
Speaker 1: what you do for family, really family first. We spoke
Speaker 1: about this, so you're wayta. I think one of the
Speaker 1: most interesting things in people's stories is going back to
Speaker 1: their childhood and finding out at what point they stopped
Speaker 1: making decisions based on what they love and find interesting
Speaker 1: and start letting like societal expectations about success in Korea
Speaker 1: and then like how you get how all the dot
Speaker 1: points start that then ultimately lead you to where you
Speaker 1: ended up. And particularly with both of you being elite
Speaker 1: sports people, I think it's very you know, the smallest
Speaker 1: minority percentage of people who say they have a dream
Speaker 1: of playing for the NBA or playing for the Vixens
Speaker 1: or you know, the Diamonds and people who actually go
Speaker 1: on to be able to do that and not have
Speaker 1: to substitute another career, and at some point you guys
Speaker 1: are in you know, such a small percentage of people.
Speaker 1: So did you have those dreams both of you? From childhood?
Speaker 1: Were you always sporty?
Speaker 5: Joe?
Speaker 1: You were in Adelaide at Lake ginandera College, Renee in
Speaker 1: Melbourne at MITA Christina Carey like even school.
Speaker 5: Girl does research.
Speaker 2: Gosh, childhood. I loved my childhood. I have two siblings.
Speaker 2: I'm the oldest of three, so I've got a younger
Speaker 2: brother and a younger sister, and two beautiful parents who
Speaker 2: gave us absolutely every opportunity in the world to choose
Speaker 2: or be passionate about whatever it was we wanted that
Speaker 2: to be. So I played two musical instruments. I did
Speaker 2: about ten different sports, and I'm not even joking. There
Speaker 2: was netball, basketball, swimming, tennis, taekwondo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you name it.
Speaker 2: I did it all so and so did my siblings.
Speaker 2: So my parents were literally just a taxi service for
Speaker 2: all of us and gave us too many amazing opportunities.
Speaker 4: And you grew up in the middle of nowhere, so
Speaker 4: there was like a.
Speaker 5: Lot of driving.
Speaker 2: With mum and dad and late night dinners and homework
Speaker 2: and too late after sports and all of that sort
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 5: But we were really, really lucky.
Speaker 2: And a really really close knit family grew up in
Speaker 2: the Patch, which I was known as the Cabbage Patch
Speaker 2: Kid later in life during my career because no one no.
Speaker 5: One knew where the patch was.
Speaker 2: So meeting Joe who was from Happy Valley, who no
Speaker 2: one else knows where.
Speaker 5: A Happy Valley is, it was It's meant to be.
Speaker 2: It was a match made in you know what these
Speaker 2: small towns are like. But for me, my real passions
Speaker 2: were netball and basketball, and that's what I've sort of
Speaker 2: into my team years went on with.
Speaker 5: I was a lot better at netball and when.
Speaker 2: It came down times to making decisions of which sport,
Speaker 2: I really wanted to put my heart and soul into
Speaker 2: netball for me, one because I was better at it,
Speaker 2: and two because I had some really.
Speaker 5: Close knit friendships and stuff in there as well.
Speaker 2: So the way I came through the pathways back in
Speaker 2: the day was very traditional. So played at each state level,
Speaker 2: I captain at each date level and then made my
Speaker 2: way into the Melbourne Phoenix which it was at the time,
Speaker 2: which is now the Melbourne Vixen's And I remember in
Speaker 2: Brade six having posters on my wall of the Australian
Speaker 2: netball team at the time and saying I really want
Speaker 2: to play for Australia one day. And Mum has said
Speaker 2: this to me later in my life that she just
Speaker 2: at the time patted me on the back.
Speaker 1: Of me that's great, dream big, Yeah, yeah, anything is possible.
Speaker 5: That's right. I'll support you. But just work hard. Trying
Speaker 5: is a really great thing.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I think once I got into those
Speaker 2: middle teen years and realized that, you know, maybe this
Speaker 2: could be a thing, that's when I really started making
Speaker 2: all my decisions based around what was going to be best.
Speaker 5: For my netball.
Speaker 2: I moved schools halfway through year ten, which I really
Speaker 2: didn't want to do, but my parents found that was
Speaker 2: the best thing for me.
Speaker 5: And I really.
Speaker 2: Struggled with that because I think as an older, more
Speaker 2: experienced athlete before I retired, I think you look back
Speaker 2: on your journey and all of the decisions that you made.
Speaker 5: Very early in.
Speaker 2: My career and for more of my career than not,
Speaker 2: I was very comfortable and very safe and realized that
Speaker 2: I liked that feeling. And then it's actually the times
Speaker 2: in my career where things were the toughest or the hardest,
Speaker 2: or I had setbacks or really pushed myself out of
Speaker 2: those comfort zones and you moved to the Adelaie Thunderbirds
Speaker 2: is when I really thrived. I love learning, and I
Speaker 2: think my entire life, whether that's been in schooling or
Speaker 2: my career in netball or now with kids, learning is
Speaker 2: my passion. So that's when I get the best out
Speaker 2: of myself, and I think that's kind of how I
Speaker 2: got to where I am today.
Speaker 4: I don't like learning, that is very I don't like it.
Speaker 1: You know what the great thing is about you two
Speaker 1: is that you both had your biggest decision wasn't letting
Speaker 1: go of the big dream and like settling for a
Speaker 1: normal career, it was letting go of all the other
Speaker 1: sports you were already good at, which one to go pro.
Speaker 1: In both of your stories, closing one that paid more
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 5: The wonderful thing.
Speaker 2: That female sport I think gives us and has certainly
Speaker 2: given me, especially back. You know when I came into
Speaker 2: the system almost twenty years ago, which is terrifying is
Speaker 2: that you know, there wasn't the netball. The financial side
Speaker 2: of things wasn't there, so it didn't set you up
Speaker 2: for the rest of your life. So my parents were
Speaker 2: huge on study and me still doing really well in
Speaker 2: school and having a career outside of netball.
Speaker 5: And I remember at the time just thinking this isn't
Speaker 5: what I want to do. I'll do it, and I
Speaker 5: was a good student and did it all.
Speaker 2: But now I'm so grateful that I guess I came
Speaker 2: through and I did, because you know, life after netball is,
Speaker 2: you know, just as tough, if not tougher than what
Speaker 2: it is just.
Speaker 5: Getting to run around each weekend and do what you love.
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, And I'd love to ask you about
Speaker 1: that too, because I think that identity shift once you
Speaker 1: do move out of something that's been your focus your
Speaker 1: entire life is a huge challenge. What do you do
Speaker 1: after the dream that it can be so difficult? Joe?
Speaker 1: What about you? First? On the way there, I mean,
Speaker 1: every kid who loves basketball wants to play in the NBA,
Speaker 1: but I mean, how many Australians have actually done that.
Speaker 1: You're one of, like I can count on you know,
Speaker 1: two hands. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess very similar to an A.
Speaker 3: I was very lucky as a kid, just me and
Speaker 3: my older sister, mum and dad and very similar like
Speaker 3: kind of got everything. We wanted to play it as
Speaker 3: many sports as we wanted. Mom dad obviously driving us
Speaker 3: to buy. I played bastpell, cricket and AFL were kind
Speaker 3: of a three that I was kind of, I.
Speaker 4: Guess focused on more than anything else.
Speaker 3: And my sister wasn't massive into sports, played a bit
Speaker 3: of like casual netball and stuff, but she played the
Speaker 3: piano and was way better at.
Speaker 4: School than what I was.
Speaker 3: Went to a private school and kind of went down
Speaker 3: that path. I went to a public school. Basketball was
Speaker 3: actually a subject amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I knew very early on I wanted to
Speaker 4: play basketball. I wanted to play I grew up in Adelaide.
Speaker 4: I wanted to play for the thirty six is. The
Speaker 4: adelade thirty six Is was the be all and end all.
Speaker 3: Brettma, who was the captain and a friend now was
Speaker 3: their best player, and I wanted to be Brett mar
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 4: Was my bream.
Speaker 3: I wanted to then obviously play for Australia. Watching as
Speaker 3: you get older and can kind of realize what the
Speaker 3: Olympics are and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, very very kind of normal childhood.
Speaker 3: I guess parents got divorced as we were pretty young,
Speaker 3: which was I don't think at the time I even
Speaker 3: worried about it. I was just like, oh cool, Like
Speaker 3: now I can get twenty dollars off of my man
Speaker 3: twenty dollars off that. But we ended up living with
Speaker 3: my dad and my dad worked away a lot of
Speaker 3: the time, so it was really me and my sister
Speaker 3: as housemates. I guess you call it as like fourteen
Speaker 3: fifteen year olds. And he would come back on weekends,
Speaker 3: and I remember like getting my sister to write me
Speaker 3: notes to like miss school and stuff because I would
Speaker 3: count as my guardian.
Speaker 5: Got amazing, and then the other thing like it's a
Speaker 5: bit of a funny.
Speaker 3: So I remember when I think it's like year eight
Speaker 3: or nine and whatever, you're picking your subjects to work out,
Speaker 3: like what you want to be do you want to
Speaker 3: be a doctor? Or like you need to do this
Speaker 3: or and missus O'Reilly, who was my teacher at the time.
Speaker 3: I still red hair, short little glasses, and I was
Speaker 3: sitting I.
Speaker 1: Hope she's listening right now.
Speaker 4: She would have told this a couple of times before.
Speaker 3: But I was sitting next to my mom as I'm
Speaker 3: going through and she said, well, what do you want
Speaker 3: to be? And I said I want to play basket.
Speaker 3: And obviously, at this age i'm forty, I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm very well aware, like that's what I want to do.
Speaker 3: It's not like I hope every kid gets a great education,
Speaker 3: but I hated school.
Speaker 4: I didn't really I went to the school pillar if
Speaker 4: bast we didn't go to make friends. I didn't go
Speaker 4: to get it. I went to play basket.
Speaker 5: Complete opposite idea. Meetings where I had to pick my
Speaker 5: subjects were stressful.
Speaker 4: I had to get it right and I said that
Speaker 4: and she said, oh haha, like you've got to pick
Speaker 4: something a bit more realistic.
Speaker 3: And all I remember happening was my mom like under
Speaker 3: the table, like grabbing my leg and being like, because
Speaker 3: I have a bit of a potty mouth, and we'll
Speaker 3: say what's on my mind, and was ready to, like
Speaker 3: as a fourteen or whatever, I would like yell at
Speaker 3: her and swear at her. I was just like in
Speaker 3: the end of it was like whatever, Like I don't
Speaker 3: really care what you think. I'm basically not going to
Speaker 3: go to school anyway. I'm going to go figure this
Speaker 3: basketball thing out. And I just kept, I guess, pushing
Speaker 3: and pushing to get to that part and left home
Speaker 3: when I was sixteen and went to the Airs, which Renee.
Speaker 4: We actually would have met at the Airs if she
Speaker 4: turned it down and I went, which we wouldn't probably
Speaker 4: be today.
Speaker 1: Was meant to be that way. Yes, we'll get to
Speaker 1: that story too. We'll get to the meeting story anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like from I guess like fourteen fifteen, we lived
Speaker 3: by ourselves. At sixteen, I moved to camera, So I've
Speaker 3: kind of been I guess a bit more like I
Speaker 3: wouldn't say mature, but I probably grew up a little
Speaker 3: bit quicker and just yeah, I was just obviously so
Speaker 3: locked in on this basketball thing, basketball, cricket, AFL.
Speaker 4: I think I was decent at all.
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't say but similar to every day Like,
Speaker 3: I chose basketball purely because of the friends I was
Speaker 3: playing with. I didn't know if I was any better
Speaker 3: at it at the time or not, but I had
Speaker 3: some really cool friends that I wanted to play with,
Speaker 3: and I didn't really want to play outside in the
Speaker 3: rain and the AFL.
Speaker 6: And that as well all the sunn that's your reasons.
Speaker 3: And then there was like eight a m in the
Speaker 3: mud of the AFL and I was like, you just
Speaker 3: go playing this heated gym, and I obviously had a
Speaker 3: good friends so I was, yeah, that's how it kind
Speaker 3: of started, and obviously went to the AS and went
Speaker 3: from there.
Speaker 1: Wow, gosh, it's so fascinating for myself. When you're someone
Speaker 1: who doesn't have a really clear vision from the time
Speaker 1: you're a kid about what you want to do, you
Speaker 1: kind of try and keep all the doors open. But
Speaker 1: I also love hearing from people who didn't keep any
Speaker 1: other doors open because you're like, I'm not even going
Speaker 1: to indulge your backup plan because this is what I
Speaker 1: want to do, and you throw everything at it, and
Speaker 1: you guys are the ones that make it because you
Speaker 1: just throw everything at Lucky otherwise would.
Speaker 4: Always screwed because no education was pretty determined to get
Speaker 4: it done.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, what I'd love to ask just a
Speaker 1: couple of questions on this part of your careers, because again,
Speaker 1: I know we can find out a lot, I mean,
Speaker 1: everything about both of your stellar careers that are still
Speaker 1: continuing elsewhere. But one of the things that I think
Speaker 1: is broadly applicable to everyone who has a goal they
Speaker 1: want to achieve that's massive, like the NBA or like
Speaker 1: playing for your country, But in all the chapters before
Speaker 1: you get there, you can't just wake up and play NBA.
Speaker 1: You have to go through or you can't just wake
Speaker 1: up and play for the Phoenix. You have to go
Speaker 1: through all the different leagues and all the different steps,
Speaker 1: and you have to get knocked back a lot of times.
Speaker 1: And there's so much along the way that feels like
Speaker 1: two steps forward, one step back, or the reverse. Like
Speaker 1: you know, it's reading that you and Patty Mills were
Speaker 1: at the as and driving around in his Mazda six
Speaker 1: to six and like you guys have ended up. You
Speaker 1: know where you are now, but when you aren't there yet,
Speaker 1: it can be really easy to lose motivation towards like
Speaker 1: how far away it still seems from where you are
Speaker 1: When you're not where you want to be yet, how
Speaker 1: do you stay focused on that goal? How do you
Speaker 1: like just trust that you will get there eventually, And
Speaker 1: it's worth keeping putting one foot in front of the other,
Speaker 1: particularly now for everyone where everything is moving so much slower.
Speaker 1: It's so frustrating when you know you can get there,
Speaker 1: but you've got to put in the hard yards first.
Speaker 3: I guess for me it was even I remember I
Speaker 3: played for a club called the No Longer City Tigers,
Speaker 3: which was in Adelaide and around the corner from our house,
Speaker 3: and not that it was like I don't think at
Speaker 3: the time, I thought it was a setback, but like
Speaker 3: trying out for the Division one team and not making it,
Speaker 3: could be put in the second team and trying out
Speaker 3: for the state teams, which they mentioned about being captain
Speaker 3: all about like getting cut from those teams. And I
Speaker 3: only ever made it as a top age. I never
Speaker 3: made it the first year. I always made it the
Speaker 3: second year. Is when I was the older guy, older
Speaker 3: kid at the time. I don't think, Oh, me and
Speaker 3: you'll figure this out, but we're very, very different, will
Speaker 3: not make a team or whatever and figure out like
Speaker 3: I wasn't strong enough, or I need to be quicker,
Speaker 3: or whatever the reasoning that she probably thought, or the
Speaker 3: coach she told her. I'm a lot more laid back
Speaker 3: with it with like I'll figure it out. I'll try
Speaker 3: and figure it out myself. I'm not a big talker
Speaker 3: as Renee or test too. I kind of keep a
Speaker 3: lot to myself and just kind of figure it out
Speaker 3: along the way. And yeah, I guess the easier part
Speaker 3: of the NBA was that I never thought I would
Speaker 3: make the NBA so early on. I wanted to play
Speaker 3: for Adelaide thirty six and I wanted to play for Australia,
Speaker 3: and I was lucky enough going to the as playing
Speaker 3: in the NBA, which didn't end up being Adelaide for
Speaker 3: multiple reasons, but obviously, like you said before, kind of
Speaker 3: everything happens for a reason, And very glad with the decision,
Speaker 3: not only because I met Renee.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 3: Even the basketball there and the people I was around
Speaker 3: with Shane Hill, Jacob Holm, some of these guys, Brian
Speaker 3: Gorge and who twelve years later I went to bronze
Speaker 3: medal with being around some of those guys, and then
Speaker 3: going in the NBA Draft when you think you're ready
Speaker 3: quote unquote ready or your managers think you're ready, probably
Speaker 3: more than anything, and not getting drafted. And I remember
Speaker 3: sitting at a friend's house in California watching the draft
Speaker 3: and my agent was comming like, yeah, there's a good
Speaker 3: chance of this. Sixty guys get picked, and it's like
Speaker 3: fifteen a gone, thirty have gone, forty five have gone.
Speaker 4: I'm like, shit, I'm not getting picked. Like you kind
Speaker 4: of hit this.
Speaker 3: Realization but I was very lucky that one I had
Speaker 3: an English passport so I could go play in Europe.
Speaker 3: But I just, I guess, I just try to kind
Speaker 3: of enjoy and embrace the journey as it was, like I, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm in Division two and I'm fourteen, Like I still
Speaker 3: had good friends, I still enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: I played basketball because I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I never thought I'd make all this money and have
Speaker 3: this house and like whatever it.
Speaker 4: Is, the more materialistic stuff.
Speaker 3: And I still think more or less it's still the
Speaker 3: same way today, Like, yeah, all that stuff's great, But
Speaker 3: I play because I love my teammates, I love the
Speaker 3: kids and Renee, I'm going to watch like it's there's
Speaker 3: a lot more to it than just like a salary
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. So went to Europe and was
Speaker 3: pretty happy there. I think, different country, like different experience.
Speaker 4: We got to live in.
Speaker 3: Barcelona for three years, we lived in Grenada my first
Speaker 3: year for a little bit, we lived in Israel and
Speaker 3: Tel Aviv, and yeah, just kind of kept, I guess,
Speaker 3: kept plugging away, slowly knowing that in my mind I
Speaker 3: thought I was getting better and better each year. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I was not at the time, and
Speaker 3: the only clear kind of thing I did know was
Speaker 3: by the last year. It was my fifth year in
Speaker 3: Europe in Tel Aviv, I was like, I am not
Speaker 3: gone back to Europe. I'd had enough in Europe. I
Speaker 3: didn't want to live there.
Speaker 4: She was still playing, so we were doing long distance
Speaker 4: and all that. I was like, I'm either making the
Speaker 4: NBA or I'm going to.
Speaker 3: Go play for Melbourne or Adelaide like whoever at the
Speaker 3: time in Australia. So I came over to it camp
Speaker 3: with the Clippers. I was like, yeah, this is a chance.
Speaker 3: This is like the door. I'm twenty seven. The door
Speaker 3: was like this much open and I'm going to I'm
Speaker 3: going to make it. And the it was almost like
Speaker 3: a perfect scenario, if you can think of an NBA
Speaker 3: perfect scenario. There was one spot left on the team
Speaker 3: and they only brought in two guys, me and this
Speaker 3: other guy, and so it's like every day like hey buddy,
Speaker 3: but like screw and.
Speaker 4: I put everything into that.
Speaker 3: I was there like first there, last one to leave.
Speaker 3: I trying to do everything I could to make it
Speaker 3: and got calm on the last day. As the story
Speaker 3: has been told, but like Renee was on the plane
Speaker 3: flight over, and I probably thought I was going to
Speaker 3: make the team before she landed, and then landed and
Speaker 3: was like, hey, I Scott cart in LA.
Speaker 4: For a little while. We had a few days in
Speaker 4: La to.
Speaker 3: I guess, try and figure out what we were going
Speaker 3: to do or what I was going to do career wise.
Speaker 3: And then we were sitting at lunch at some like
Speaker 3: Asian restaurant or something and got a call from my
Speaker 3: manager and I was like quickly like and he's like
Speaker 3: Utah Jazz one year, you got to fly out like
Speaker 3: now kind of thing. So we didn't even like finish
Speaker 3: our meals, paid the bill, ran up, packed up our bags,
Speaker 3: got to the airport, googled where Utah was because we
Speaker 3: had literally not like we don't grow up in Australia, like, hey,
Speaker 3: let's go to Utah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, had you even been there before?
Speaker 5: No, it's like New York.
Speaker 2: We had suitcases full of cloths for La and in
Speaker 2: the snow here in.
Speaker 3: Utah and landed here and then it was again back
Speaker 3: to that like this is my last chance.
Speaker 4: I'm going to literally put everything in.
Speaker 3: It was on a non guarantee my first year and
Speaker 3: obviously ended up making the team my first year, signed a.
Speaker 4: Two year deal after that and signed a four year deal,
Speaker 4: and then we thought we'd.
Speaker 5: Been here for a year, and.
Speaker 3: You guys, it's pretty long winded answer, but I think
Speaker 3: for me it was just like I don't really get
Speaker 3: too high or too low, Like I'm pretty low.
Speaker 2: I would say that about Joe without putting in on you,
Speaker 2: is that what you see is what you get with Joe,
Speaker 2: and whether it's a win or a loss or anything
Speaker 2: in between, or a setback.
Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever even heard.
Speaker 2: Really say that he's had a setback, because it's just like,
Speaker 2: go on with the next day and then what's next,
Speaker 2: what training's next, what team's next, what sort of next
Speaker 2: on the calendar.
Speaker 5: It's never he doesn't really dwell on anything as such.
Speaker 5: He loves revenge. So someone cuts him to.
Speaker 2: The team or it says he can't do something, then
Speaker 2: you know, even if it's a couple of years later,
Speaker 2: he's like.
Speaker 1: Yes, like the redhead teacher about.
Speaker 2: As as he's doing it. Yeah, but he really doesn't
Speaker 2: dwell on anything. I think that's one of our biggest differences.
Speaker 2: But one of the biggest level is for me while
Speaker 2: I was still playing, is that Joe was so laid
Speaker 2: back and didn't care too much about anything.
Speaker 5: I mean that in the right way.
Speaker 2: It was a really nice way to play though, like
Speaker 2: there was sort of more relaxed attitude around it all.
Speaker 3: And especially once you add kids to it too. It's
Speaker 3: like the game's great, and it's again given as a
Speaker 3: lot of this in life and whatever, but it's like
Speaker 3: I still going to get up and take mid of
Speaker 3: the school at seven forty five, and we're going to
Speaker 3: do this and that, and obviously everything with Jacob and
Speaker 3: even when I was playing in Europe, like if I
Speaker 3: don't make the NBA, like I'm still making good money
Speaker 3: and it's good. I'm still getting to explore the world,
Speaker 3: like it'll figure itself out, Like I'm not going to
Speaker 3: what's the point of me sitting up at night stressing
Speaker 3: over like something when it's almost sits out of my
Speaker 3: control to a certain extent. It's the same with the
Speaker 3: Boom as like fourth four fourth, do you like give up? Well,
Speaker 3: it's like I'll just have another crack, Like what are
Speaker 3: we supposed to do? Like we're supposed to just ringe
Speaker 3: in the corner and like give up, figure it out,
Speaker 3: go back again. And we just kept changing little things
Speaker 3: and obviously got the outcome, but two very different correct
Speaker 3: in terms of that with how prepared and no stone
Speaker 3: unturned and whatever, and they would.
Speaker 4: Do and I'd be like, I'm going to grab a
Speaker 4: bit and figure out the games.
Speaker 1: I just got to win a medal tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of.
Speaker 2: Like what Joe said is I was more the athlete
Speaker 2: that would critique everything, every performance, good bad, why that happened,
Speaker 2: why that didn't happen, if I didn't make a team.
Speaker 2: Then I would get feedback straight away, and I would
Speaker 2: really analyze that feedback, probably too much, rather than just
Speaker 2: taking it for what it was.
Speaker 4: Wasn't strong enough? She was coming back right a strong
Speaker 4: person in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's just a bodybuilder now, you know.
Speaker 2: Even in you know, I can think back to primary
Speaker 2: school sports and then state teams and whatever. It was
Speaker 2: that I was always willing to outwork anyone. So whilst
Speaker 2: there was obviously raw talent and stuff there and I
Speaker 2: understood the game, I was always willing to outwork or
Speaker 2: work the hardest, which I think at times in my
Speaker 2: career was also a detriment to me and what I
Speaker 2: could have achieved as well, certainly lost a lot of
Speaker 2: sleep over the time, worrying about things and.
Speaker 5: Having anxiety over things that I.
Speaker 2: Couldn't control, whether that be other people in the team,
Speaker 2: or you know, playing my performance in my mind before
Speaker 2: it's even happened.
Speaker 5: But you know, hindsight's a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2: But I definitely think that it was my work ethic
Speaker 2: over all that probably you know, saw me standing on
Speaker 2: the podium and crying tears because I was able to
Speaker 2: win those medals. So I think when I think about
Speaker 2: the chapters of my life, and you know, we're just
Speaker 2: saying this to a couple of friends the other night
Speaker 2: at dinner, is I've always would talk about periods of
Speaker 2: my life or teams that I've made, teams that I
Speaker 2: haven't made, setbacks, high as loads. Now I just say
Speaker 2: the chapters of my life honestly were before kids and
Speaker 2: after kids, honestly, because I'm not a different person.
Speaker 5: I've got all of the same.
Speaker 2: Values and wants and needs and loves and passions and
Speaker 2: all of those things. But the renee before kids as
Speaker 2: opposed to the renee after kids in both a career sense,
Speaker 2: A wife all of those things, a friend, all of
Speaker 2: those things. Of course, I've had to adapt and change,
Speaker 2: and I think had I learned some of the lessons
Speaker 2: that I had from being mum and had put them
Speaker 2: into my career earlier on, and well, you know, I
Speaker 2: think my career probably could have been better, or a.
Speaker 4: Team more the Zella's time and a million medals.
Speaker 2: And yeah, but you know, you just.
Speaker 5: Get perspective, I think, And I think I played better
Speaker 5: netball after having kids, with you know, less.
Speaker 2: Work, but more quality training, more perspective, less stress, less
Speaker 2: anxiety over any of those things that I couldn't control
Speaker 2: purely one because I was too tired. I played after
Speaker 2: having kids and having the kids on the sidelines, and
Speaker 2: there was just I think different. It's a totally different
Speaker 2: life off the court as opposter on the court before.
Speaker 5: And after kids.
Speaker 2: So I think I'm still obviously living the chapter since
Speaker 2: having the kids.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just see everything that happened before as
Speaker 5: that chapter of my life and then this is the
Speaker 5: next one now that I'm on.
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Speaker 1: see you there. Yeahhoo, it's interesting. I feel like, whether
Speaker 1: it's kids or a big life event or an illness
Speaker 1: or whatever, it may be breaking that cycle of stress
Speaker 1: and like prioritizing everything as urgent and just smashing yourself
Speaker 1: into the ground for particular goals. I feel like everyone
Speaker 1: has a wake up moment of before that where everything mattered,
Speaker 1: and then after that where your priority has become so
Speaker 1: clear and everything suddenly crystallizes.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's a pandemic has done the same thing
Speaker 2: to all of us. You know, It's given us all
Speaker 2: so much perspective and maybe given everyone a little bit
Speaker 2: more direction and understanding of what we can actually be
Speaker 2: grateful for. And that's the small modiments in life, or
Speaker 2: the small social interactions that have been taken away from us,
Speaker 2: or you know, before the pandemic complaining that we had
Speaker 2: to go to work. It's a privilege. People can't go
Speaker 2: to work, you know, it is. It's a privilege. So
Speaker 2: I think kids do that to you regardless. And then again, yeah,
Speaker 2: you put the pandemic on top of that. Wow, there's
Speaker 2: a whole lot of reflection.
Speaker 1: I'm the same, much more like Una in terms of
Speaker 1: like overthinking, of analyzing, worrying about everything. But the quote
Speaker 1: that really helps me is the five by five rule.
Speaker 1: It's if it's not going to matter in five years,
Speaker 1: don't give it more than five minutes. And there's not
Speaker 1: a single time where that hasn't worked out really well,
Speaker 1: Like things just don't matter.
Speaker 2: But do you mean that I could actually like get
Speaker 2: to a point of justifying in my mind.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, because the hypothetical situation totally. Like my astrologer
Speaker 1: thinks that the cards might say that it's going to
Speaker 1: matter in five years because Taurus is in Mercury and
Speaker 1: Venus and I can't explain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's where John and I find out balance,
Speaker 2: I think for a complete.
Speaker 5: Opposite ends of the spectrum and all of that sort.
Speaker 2: Of stuff, which has been really nice throughout each other's
Speaker 2: careers is maybe meeting in the middle a little bit
Speaker 2: there so keeps it well.
Speaker 1: It's obvious that you've become a perfect match for each
Speaker 1: other the love story, even though the universe conspired to
Speaker 1: keep you apart the first time at the aas you
Speaker 1: have since found each other, and I would love you
Speaker 1: to quickly rehash the love story before we move on
Speaker 1: to your beautiful kids and what you've been doing. But
Speaker 1: one more question, on your careers quickly before we move
Speaker 1: into that is just having reached the levels that you
Speaker 1: have both reached that not many people have and get
Speaker 1: the privilege to experience and know about. There's a lot
Speaker 1: that we see and it's always very glamorous looking on
Speaker 1: the outside, and even from courtside it looked very glamorous
Speaker 1: from where I was standing. What are like a couple
Speaker 1: of things, or even just one thing from behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of playing at the Olympics or playing at the
Speaker 1: NBA or whatever about your sports that people who play
Speaker 1: know but we would find really surprising they can still
Speaker 1: be glamorous, or they can just be like random rituals
Speaker 1: or like I don't even know, blisters that we wouldn't
Speaker 1: know about, like things that happen on a routine BA
Speaker 1: Like I was speaking to Jess Fox after her Olympics
Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, we all use condoms to fix
Speaker 1: our boats all the time. It's like totally the normal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've read that somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone made a big deal about it, like it
Speaker 1: was the first time, and she's like, no, we do it.
Speaker 1: It's a sport wide thing all the time.
Speaker 4: Well, fix our boss.
Speaker 2: I think people just don't really, especially in the NBA,
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't look so glamorous because you guys see
Speaker 2: on you know, social media and on the TV and
Speaker 2: media outlets these guys walking in, you know, all decked
Speaker 2: out beautiful clothes and fashion sense and all of that.
Speaker 2: But that's five minutes of that full entire game night,
Speaker 2: like a game night for us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were literally just discussing this the other day.
Speaker 3: To shoot around in the morning, Yeah, for a couple
Speaker 3: of hours, like job one of the kids at school,
Speaker 3: go to shoot around for a few hours, literally, come back,
Speaker 3: have some to eat. I'll go lay down like nine
Speaker 3: out of ten days as the odd day that I
Speaker 3: can't or Rene's or something on that. Like I'm not
Speaker 3: that superstitious, so like I need to sleep from two
Speaker 3: to three otherwise I won't play it. Like another thing
Speaker 3: that'll we're very dear, Like I can just cruise through
Speaker 3: like a whole day and whatever, but.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, go lay down for an hour. Then I'll
Speaker 4: go pick up one of.
Speaker 3: The kids, come home for half an hour and play
Speaker 3: do whatever entertaining for a little bit, and then I'm
Speaker 3: taking off like three four hours before the game, getting
Speaker 3: home at twelve one o'clock in the morning, and then
Speaker 3: obviously back up for school at seven thirty.
Speaker 4: The next day again or seven or whatever. So there
Speaker 4: is a lot Like even today, we're in the off
Speaker 4: season now.
Speaker 3: I left Miller of school seven fifty five, went to
Speaker 3: the arena, and I went straight to pick up Jacob
Speaker 3: at tooth. I left at two thirty to get there
Speaker 3: by three, so I hadn't been home all day. This
Speaker 3: is offseason, so I'm just doing some of my own
Speaker 3: stuff and some team stuff. But yeah, I think it's
Speaker 3: the NBA, especially you see the money side of it,
Speaker 3: and yeah, we stay in nice hotels and drive nice.
Speaker 4: Cars and whatever.
Speaker 3: Granted, like is the salary exactly like too much or not?
Speaker 3: Like it's a lot of money. I get that, but
Speaker 3: the guys work hard for their money. Like regardless, if
Speaker 3: we can debate all.
Speaker 5: Day, whether it's sacrifice a lot.
Speaker 3: Sacrifice a lot, we were No, I'm saving that for
Speaker 3: one of your other later questions.
Speaker 5: I was going to say something, but oh, oh, there.
Speaker 3: There is a lot of I mean even just the
Speaker 3: fact we haven't gone home into a half years, Like
Speaker 3: we can't go Jack's never met we got ten months old,
Speaker 3: He's never met any family. Rene, his brother's got one
Speaker 3: year old twin girls. Rene's brother and best friend, which
Speaker 3: is another story. But we've never met them like two yells,
Speaker 3: so there's a lot of things. Our twins from like
Speaker 3: three to five are so different from when our parents
Speaker 3: last saw them.
Speaker 2: I know another thing that this drives me crazy. And
Speaker 2: you as the I feel like you'd be a planner
Speaker 2: just like I am. Overthink everything whilst you have the
Speaker 2: whole NBA season and you can see that in front
Speaker 2: of us. D don't get their schedules for the next
Speaker 2: day until like nine or ten o'clock at night for
Speaker 2: the next day. So for Renee, who like plans the
Speaker 2: next five years, it's it's been an adjustment.
Speaker 5: It's hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes me anxious.
Speaker 3: My whole career off getting like my schedule is a
Speaker 3: text message, like more or less.
Speaker 7: The night before, maybe a bit more structured, but literally
Speaker 7: like my life is a text message, Like I wait
Speaker 7: for someone to tell us what time practicing tell.
Speaker 5: Rene, And I'm often in bed by the time you
Speaker 5: get the text message.
Speaker 2: So then if I wake well I shouldn't say if
Speaker 2: when I wake up with one of the.
Speaker 5: Three kids during the night, I'll check it like to see, oh, what's.
Speaker 3: Jokes forward schedule because it's just like I don't have
Speaker 3: to explain anything. And yeah, but that's just like the
Speaker 3: way life. It's I don't even like talking to you
Speaker 3: now about it, Like, yeah, it's annoying as hell. Like
Speaker 3: we just got the schedule actually pretty early, we got
Speaker 3: about like just before we got on the call with you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and but it's like, yeah, that's just how it's just.
Speaker 2: More like you can't sort of it's hard to schedule
Speaker 2: things like with the kids.
Speaker 5: Or doctors anything, Joe trying to be there to see
Speaker 5: the kids or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's just I mean, that's nitpicking. Seriously, that's the hardest
Speaker 2: thing we're dealing with. But it's yeah, but.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, like you wouldn't think that you'd think you
Speaker 1: guys would have weeks ahead of Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's got one side of it. It's extremely glamorous and
Speaker 3: fancy and like whatever word you want to use. But
Speaker 3: there's another side of it that's a grind and like
Speaker 3: your body years sleep, Like we get home from road
Speaker 3: trips at three in the morning, and I'll be up
Speaker 3: with the kids as early as I can physically, like
Speaker 3: peel my eyes open, but people just think like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're in a nice hotel, Like it doesn't matter where
Speaker 3: you sleep.
Speaker 4: Three in our sleep is real.
Speaker 1: Sleep, yeah for sure. And kids are kids a lot.
Speaker 4: More of a grind. But yeah, Also on the flip side,
Speaker 4: like obviously.
Speaker 3: Very lucky and I love it, like I kind of
Speaker 3: love the lifestyle of being a basketball Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well and truly season your ya, which is absolutely amazing,
Speaker 1: But you have also had to work incredibly hard to
Speaker 1: win over your wife. I heard that you had to
Speaker 1: beg for a coffee date.
Speaker 5: But quite a while finally someone has the real story.
Speaker 5: We've obviously spoken to someone who knows the real story.
Speaker 4: I don't know you got that from with us.
Speaker 1: Tell the truth so you cannot confirm or deny.
Speaker 4: The truth, the real, real truth, which I've like honestly
Speaker 4: never told the real story because I just don't know
Speaker 4: why every time.
Speaker 3: Because it's funny and I'll probably still get something wrong,
Speaker 3: so Redee will probably, but you.
Speaker 1: Might not have a wife at the end of this,
Speaker 1: so be careful.
Speaker 5: The real truth before. But this is the real truth.
Speaker 5: So I actually I'm sweating as you say.
Speaker 3: No, So, like I moved to Melbourne to play with
Speaker 3: the Dragon. She was playing for the Bigs, and so
Speaker 3: we're both in Melbourne and anyone that's listening that's our
Speaker 3: age or give will take a few years. Well know,
Speaker 3: at the time, the club called c Q was like
Speaker 3: the hottest play.
Speaker 4: So I used to see Renee.
Speaker 3: We like basketball and that ball is a very small world,
Speaker 3: like we all kind of knew each other or through
Speaker 3: the as or like whatever it was. That was a
Speaker 3: very it's almost like a little small community within itself.
Speaker 3: And so I would always see Renee at the place,
Speaker 3: the bar, whatever, and I probably saw a few other
Speaker 3: times and other things, but it was like she's I guess,
Speaker 3: but Rene had Renee had a boyfriend at the time,
Speaker 3: and I was just being a young idiot at the time.
Speaker 3: And eventually, back in those days, saw her Facebook post
Speaker 3: of like Renee's no single, I was, you know, people
Speaker 3: changed their status.
Speaker 1: It was like a full announcements to the public.
Speaker 3: No one thought it was like an official relationship until
Speaker 3: you put it on your bloody Facebook page or whatever
Speaker 3: it was. I did that, and I don't know if
Speaker 3: we'd even like really spoken every or not, but added
Speaker 3: her on Facebook and started talking her on Facebook, which is.
Speaker 5: So DMS, and then that's totably better than what kids
Speaker 5: are doing these days.
Speaker 1: It is definitely better than our kids are doing these days.
Speaker 3: Started obviously just like very regular conversation because we both
Speaker 3: kind of she just won the championship.
Speaker 4: I just won with the Dragons.
Speaker 3: Is why we both wanted the championships right before we met,
Speaker 3: which is probably why we saw each other partying way
Speaker 3: too much that week or two. And then it ended
Speaker 3: up asking, I think, whatever's what numbers, So we were
Speaker 3: talking a bit more normally than Facebook, and then yeah,
Speaker 3: I would just keep I kept asking her like let's
Speaker 3: go to lunch or dinner or breakfast or like whatever,
Speaker 3: I don't care what meal it is of the day.
Speaker 4: And she would always say yes.
Speaker 3: But then I would like wake up in the morning
Speaker 3: or an hour before and she'd be like, oh sorry,
Speaker 3: like vixi's gotta be doing a clinic.
Speaker 4: I can't come to them.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I woke up and feel a bit sick
Speaker 3: like and I was like, look, this girl's crazy like you.
Speaker 2: No one They were like going out for dinner this
Speaker 2: one night, and I called and said, I'm so sorry
Speaker 2: this has come up.
Speaker 5: I can't come. But the real thing.
Speaker 2: I actually don't even know if I ever told you
Speaker 2: is I'd actually gone and got a spray TN and
Speaker 2: I was driving home my cairl. I was like, I
Speaker 2: clearly can't go out for dinner when I'm just out
Speaker 2: of spray to hand, so obviously you're life and I'm
Speaker 2: so sorry this has come up with my family, and yeah, sorry,
Speaker 2: this is amazing.
Speaker 3: And then one day, from her point of view, her mom,
Speaker 3: she was obviously telling her mom that this like crackhead
Speaker 3: from Adelaide was annoying her and trying to get her
Speaker 3: to go out for lunch, dinner, whatever we were trying
Speaker 3: to do, and her mom ended up saying like, why
Speaker 3: don't you just go one day and then if you
Speaker 3: hate him, you hate him, you never have to see
Speaker 3: him again. If he's cool, then like whatever, you figure.
Speaker 1: It out, So good advice mom.
Speaker 3: Again, like planning, I think it was lunch lunch, and obviously,
Speaker 3: like from her point of view, which I know now,
Speaker 3: she was like fully in for this one. From my
Speaker 3: point of view, getting canceled like six billions, I was like,
Speaker 3: screw this, I'm going out tonight on the like Saturday
Speaker 3: night or whatever. So I went out with my buddies
Speaker 3: and got home at like the crack of dawn because
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to wake up at some
Speaker 3: point unil were canceled text message anyway, so like whatever.
Speaker 3: And then I woke up like thirty minutes before we
Speaker 3: were going to do it, and it was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: i'll see you soon. She was picking me up because
Speaker 3: of whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you're hungover, physically drift sedious, fuck well done,
Speaker 1: well done.
Speaker 3: She had a clinic or whatever, so I was like fuck,
Speaker 3: like shower, shower, put like spray too much clone because
Speaker 3: I felt like alcohol.
Speaker 4: And then she picked me up in her Vixen's car
Speaker 4: because she.
Speaker 5: Covered.
Speaker 2: I came in sweatpants because I was like I really
Speaker 2: don't care about.
Speaker 4: And I was in jeans and a jacket and that.
Speaker 2: Is so I would never go out and meet someone
Speaker 2: in pants anyway.
Speaker 1: Well, he just asked you out to breakfast, lunch or
Speaker 1: dinner or whatever, Like if he asked you like that,
Speaker 1: i'd probably wear track. Friends.
Speaker 3: Then we ended up going to the place on athen
Speaker 3: Street or whatever it was, and Securlda had lunch.
Speaker 4: I hat like a typical, like I don't want to
Speaker 4: eat in front of the boy, and I was like
Speaker 4: hung over his house. I was like she was.
Speaker 3: Going to the toilet, stealing a designer, and because I
Speaker 3: was so hungry, then she dropped me back. It was
Speaker 3: all like good or whatever, and then I just we
Speaker 3: were texting a bit, and then we ended up hanging
Speaker 3: out again.
Speaker 4: That night. I went to her house and.
Speaker 1: We watched the movie Same Day, Stop It Two.
Speaker 3: Dates, ordered pizzas and just hung out whatever, and then
Speaker 3: like every day since then, we I think we saw
Speaker 3: each other every day after that until I had.
Speaker 4: Already signed a deal in Spain.
Speaker 5: So I was like I was leaving a month later.
Speaker 5: Months so we were like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I kind of just hung out every day like doing
Speaker 3: whatever because we were both still training and doing whatever
Speaker 3: we had to do. And then it was like kind
Speaker 3: of like right, well, if you want to come over,
Speaker 3: you can come over.
Speaker 4: We'll see, like see what happens. I'm got, like I've signed.
Speaker 4: I kin'd of get out of it. Not that I
Speaker 4: would have got out of it.
Speaker 2: It was just like super like we literally just had fun.
Speaker 2: Knowing I was leaving in a month, so it was
Speaker 2: just like whatever, clearly go anywhere.
Speaker 5: But it's been good and.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, shout your flight over to Spain
Speaker 4: if you want.
Speaker 1: You know, I just come. I heard that you knew
Speaker 1: right away that you wanted to marry her.
Speaker 3: So we had the first lunch or whatever it was,
Speaker 3: and we were talking throughout the day and I think
Speaker 3: it was in those text messages whatever I told her.
Speaker 5: I can fill the gap since the details yit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like filling And went on our first
Speaker 2: day eating sweatpants track pants, which.
Speaker 1: That is just like what that's a move, ren A.
Speaker 1: That is a power.
Speaker 2: Anyone who knew at the time I would never do
Speaker 2: that yet literally.
Speaker 5: Do I know that?
Speaker 2: Like that was for him, just like this is my
Speaker 2: dream girl. She I don't even have to wear jeans
Speaker 2: for this girl. Like in my sweats, I've got like
Speaker 2: one pair of jeans I do not wear.
Speaker 3: I'm like sweats twenty for seven.
Speaker 4: There's not one fancy bit of clothing in.
Speaker 5: My Anyway, we hung out.
Speaker 2: I was meant to go onto another clinic that afternoon,
Speaker 2: but we were like enjoying each other company that so
Speaker 2: I texted Caitlin Pwaits and I was like, thank you, yes, Katie,
Speaker 2: we're here today because of you, And she covered the
Speaker 2: coaching clinic for me. I got changed in the car
Speaker 2: to go to lunch in a movie, which again I'm
Speaker 2: never on like a.
Speaker 5: First date, would I go and get changed in the car.
Speaker 8: But there you go.
Speaker 5: This is apparently who I was that day. Anyway, we
Speaker 5: hung out. It was really good.
Speaker 2: I dropped him back home and wasn't even turned out
Speaker 2: of his street and I got a text message saying
Speaker 2: we're going to get married.
Speaker 5: I'm going to marry Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's the I might still been drug.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can.
Speaker 2: Far too much colone, because if I actually sit here
Speaker 2: and really think about it, I can still smell that.
Speaker 5: You can smell it, you.
Speaker 4: Know when someone's drank it and the breath smells like alcohol. Self.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I finally got this girl to come and I
Speaker 3: haven't been canceled on now going to smell like an idiot,
Speaker 3: and she's going to think I've been out or which
Speaker 3: I had been.
Speaker 1: But which you absolutely had.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it's been what twelve thirteen years now, and it's yeah,
Speaker 2: here we are, and you can still smell the Actually,
Speaker 2: the first time he's ever admitted to anyone with me
Speaker 2: being around, that he actually did the chasing.
Speaker 1: So I recorded this, so you've got it forever.
Speaker 4: She did come there.
Speaker 3: And then she came to Grenada and me and then
Speaker 3: did After that, I was like, I guess we have
Speaker 3: to We spoke on every day.
Speaker 5: Remember when he used to Scott for face.
Speaker 4: To change our Facebook status.
Speaker 1: Now, I guess we should make it a complicated Facebook official.
Speaker 4: It's complicated.
Speaker 1: It was complicated. It's with the remae and it's complicated.
Speaker 1: Remember you could have a person and it's complicated with
Speaker 1: the person.
Speaker 2: Literally, it's been twelve to thirteen years now, and I
Speaker 2: think eight or nine of those have been long distance,
Speaker 2: so oh wow, be tough, hard, But here we are
Speaker 2: three kids later, living.
Speaker 1: In three kids, three kids and also two incredible careers.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have juggled more. I mean, marriage
Speaker 1: and children in themselves are enormous endeavors to do with
Speaker 1: anyone and still be able to have a chat with them,
Speaker 1: sit next to each other on the couch and tell
Speaker 1: your love story with a smile on your face. But
Speaker 1: you know, managing long distance and two careers as well
Speaker 1: that have competing needs, and then three kids and then,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, you guys are just well.
Speaker 3: I think a part of that as well as like
Speaker 3: a little bit of why it works.
Speaker 4: Well it's like yeah, I agree, Yeah, I've got to whatever, go.
Speaker 3: To Spain, but I'll figure it out. Like I've got
Speaker 3: to be in Australia, Okay, we'll figure it out. Like
Speaker 3: I've seened it. I've got to go with the Boomers, right,
Speaker 3: will come to Sydney.
Speaker 4: Or wherever, like like.
Speaker 3: It's just it is what it is, Like I was
Speaker 3: never going to go tell Renee like, no, you can't
Speaker 3: play this year. You've got to come to Spain and
Speaker 3: sit in the crowd and watch me play and give
Speaker 3: up your career, like it's just not an option, Like
Speaker 3: I'm going to the Olympics, all right, We'll figure out
Speaker 3: how to like can you get there right?
Speaker 4: If you can?
Speaker 3: It's figure it out, Like I remember one All Star break,
Speaker 3: I flew to England Liverpool to watch like two games
Speaker 3: with the Australian Diamonds because I was like games, you
Speaker 3: just figure it, Like what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 4: Like I'm not going to not like if I can,
Speaker 4: so like you just figure it out.
Speaker 2: Like so it's honestly think too, Like we always laugh
Speaker 2: about it, like people say, oh, what works in your
Speaker 2: marriage or what doesn't or whatever. I think we always
Speaker 2: joke about it, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: we feel like we've always been in the honey room
Speaker 2: period because even with Joe's career now and we're living here, No,
Speaker 2: I mean that in that we've always had so much
Speaker 2: time a part at the time that we're together, it's
Speaker 2: like we have to enjoy it. It's quality time. And
Speaker 2: that's still the same now even though we're living in
Speaker 2: the same state and I'm not traveling and not playing
Speaker 2: and all of those things, but Joe's still away so
Speaker 2: much like he's just got back from the Olympics in
Speaker 2: the way for eight weeks last year, was in the
Speaker 2: bubble for nine weeks. In the NBA season, he's traveling
Speaker 2: in and out of way for ten days here, twelve
Speaker 2: days there, four nights here, three days there, and then
Speaker 2: when he is home there's game nights and all that.
Speaker 5: Sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So I think it's just like treasuring that quality time
Speaker 2: that we've had and we've always had to do it. So,
Speaker 2: you know, we met and then a month later we
Speaker 2: left for nine months, so that sounds normal.
Speaker 5: We don't know anything.
Speaker 4: With us, so when I still work.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, I was going to say, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we still.
Speaker 5: Like each other.
Speaker 3: Then one time after we got shut down and we
Speaker 3: had a couple months I mean yeah, where we were
Speaker 3: the first to like put COVID on the map a
Speaker 3: little bit, so we were pretty strict with our lockdown,
Speaker 3: so we like I was at home every single day,
Speaker 3: which probably for everyone, all of us at times.
Speaker 5: I'm worried, said.
Speaker 4: When we were talking about that too.
Speaker 3: I had been away for seven weeks with the Olympics,
Speaker 3: and I came home and obviously, like Renee, had a
Speaker 3: list of things she wanted to do, understandably because she'd
Speaker 3: been stuck with three kids for seven weeks, and so
Speaker 3: I was like, you do what you need to do.
Speaker 3: And like the first three or four days, I didn't
Speaker 3: leave the house post Olympics.
Speaker 4: I was just here with the kids.
Speaker 5: And this is me like taking an hour.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's if she wasn't day.
Speaker 3: Have coffee with your friend, like go and do do
Speaker 3: what like you deserve to do. Like day three or four,
Speaker 3: I was like Rene came back and I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know how you stay at the house like
Speaker 3: all day, because this.
Speaker 1: Is I can't hard.
Speaker 3: I could do it if I really had to, but
Speaker 3: like it's now, I know what you would like, have
Speaker 3: an hour in the gym with not the kids, like
Speaker 3: hanging off your back for fucking twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: I think what I'll get off to Joe's retirement is
Speaker 2: that I'm one hundred percent going into the workforce. After that,
Speaker 2: we're just going to completely spot rolls again and then
Speaker 2: it's my turn. Yeah, yeah, the next chapter.
Speaker 1: That is a big thing, Renee, that you you you
Speaker 1: guys have had twins, Miller and Jacob and then Jack
Speaker 1: was born last year, and that you left the game
Speaker 1: in your prime. It wasn't you know, like you'd we
Speaker 1: were tapering already, or you were already planning to take
Speaker 1: a back seat, or you were ready to retire. You know,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a big It's just such an
Speaker 1: exclusive pathway. Yeah, yeah, how has that been for you?
Speaker 1: As I mean even now, sometimes when you talk about
Speaker 1: your career, you say I was or it was in
Speaker 1: the past tenses if you might not do it again.
Speaker 1: So how has that been?
Speaker 5: From my perspective?
Speaker 2: In hindsight, the time that I retired was probably absolutely
Speaker 2: perfect because then COVID hit the next season. There's absolutely
Speaker 2: no way we could have juggled our lives from different
Speaker 2: countries and managing COVID and netball, moved into a bubble
Speaker 2: into Brisbane and all of that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 2: in hindsight, it was actually the perfect time. I think
Speaker 2: it was literally last week. It was two years ago
Speaker 2: that I officially retired and it was my last game
Speaker 2: and haven't even been in a netball.
Speaker 5: Stadium since because we haven't been back in Australia since.
Speaker 4: I've watched all.
Speaker 2: The games, might watch a lot from over here and
Speaker 2: replays and all that sort of thing. I think, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'll never regret the decision
Speaker 2: that I made because I made it for Joe and
Speaker 2: the kids. But I think if we hadn't got Jacob's
Speaker 2: diagnosis of autism, that I would have kept playing, which
Speaker 2: is hard because I felt like, yeah, I was at
Speaker 2: it in a time in my life that where we
Speaker 2: were with the kids and where I was in terms
Speaker 2: of where I was at my career, that I had
Speaker 2: great netball to play or could have kept getting better
Speaker 2: and learning, and I loved that. And I was at
Speaker 2: a team the Vixen's won it the next year, which
Speaker 2: is always, of course hard. To watch because we got
Speaker 2: knocked out in the prelim final the year before.
Speaker 5: But I just there's no regret, is there hurt? No,
Speaker 5: not really.
Speaker 2: However, there's just that burning desire inside me to do
Speaker 2: something else, and I don't know what that is yet.
Speaker 2: I'm running a marathon, but that is definitely not a
Speaker 2: bucket list.
Speaker 5: Item for me. I'm doing it for our.
Speaker 2: Charity, Culture City, and I'm doing it for Jacob and
Speaker 2: one of our best friends' kids, all of who are
Speaker 2: both on the spectrum. So I'm doing it for them.
Speaker 2: So that's giving me a little bit. I think that's
Speaker 2: a band aid at the moment, but for me, should
Speaker 2: know what's next. And I wish that I could still
Speaker 2: be playing in the netball arena. I do definitely we
Speaker 2: miss it. I don't miss the meetings. I don't miss
Speaker 2: the politics. So don't miss ice sparks and fitness testing
Speaker 2: and skin folds and.
Speaker 5: I hate cool.
Speaker 1: I don't miss.
Speaker 5: Any of that.
Speaker 2: But you know, I certainly miss running out there on
Speaker 2: match day with some of my best friends and playing the.
Speaker 5: Game that I love.
Speaker 2: And I have to admit every time I sit in
Speaker 2: the arena and one of my absolute favorite things to
Speaker 2: do is to watch Joe play.
Speaker 5: But that you know, when you hear the music playing
Speaker 5: and the.
Speaker 2: Crowd loud and Joe doing so well, that it's hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard not to go to that space of oh
Speaker 2: what if that was me? What if I could still
Speaker 2: do that? But yeah, I don't think I can ever
Speaker 2: look back and regret that decision, because you know that
Speaker 2: our kids are absolutely thriving. And yet given that COVID
Speaker 2: had hit and we've all been through the last couple
Speaker 2: of years that we had been through, that I would
Speaker 2: have had to retire due to COVID because I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even been able to get back to Australia. So I'm
Speaker 2: glad that that was sort of all taken out of
Speaker 2: my hands, but that was a long window way of saying, I.
Speaker 5: Definitely miss it.
Speaker 2: The door is closed on playing professional netball, but I'm
Speaker 2: hoping that something else can open.
Speaker 5: I just don't know what that is.
Speaker 4: But even when we got we got pregnant, when they got.
Speaker 1: Pregnant, what are you telling me?
Speaker 5: Science is pretty amazing these days?
Speaker 1: You, Tay is like really progressive?
Speaker 4: Wow, the like I.
Speaker 3: Remember her retirement press conference with Adelaide and sitting there
Speaker 3: and having photos and like, oh, yeah, like this is
Speaker 3: the end, and she probably knew it too, but we
Speaker 3: both kind of knew like this is the end because
Speaker 3: it almost like had to be at that time, But
Speaker 3: it wasn't going to be the end.
Speaker 4: Like Renet wasn't ready to stop playing.
Speaker 3: It was just there was like a bump in the
Speaker 3: road because we were going to have these kids, and
Speaker 3: that's what was going to happen at that time.
Speaker 5: I had the kids.
Speaker 4: I had the kids.
Speaker 5: Months old.
Speaker 3: But I knew that she was going to go back eventually,
Speaker 3: whether it be the year after however long after, she
Speaker 3: was going to figure it out and get back.
Speaker 4: And I guess glad that she got an opportunity to at.
Speaker 3: Least play, and because same thing, like I loved sitting
Speaker 3: there with the twins and watching her play, like it
Speaker 3: was pretty cool to be on the flip side of it,
Speaker 3: because I probably didn't think I would get to do that,
Speaker 3: especially with kids, because of obviously the female being a
Speaker 3: pretty important part of that. To be able to sit there,
Speaker 3: and I remember sitting courtside for a couple of games
Speaker 3: and the twins were sitting on my knees and like
Speaker 3: waving to Renee, and I get to do that in
Speaker 3: my games, like Miller and Jacob will wave and screwing
Speaker 3: my Name, and.
Speaker 4: They weren't that far but like to wave and all that.
Speaker 3: So it was it was cool to be able to
Speaker 3: do that and get back and see her play with
Speaker 3: the kids or post kids. But yeah, I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: surprised if she ended up playing professionally.
Speaker 2: Again, like unless the two months are washed up, Renee three.
Speaker 1: Kids, you're running a marathon. But I think it's really
Speaker 1: it's a lovely reminder that you can miss something without
Speaker 1: regretting that you're not doing it anymore. And also that
Speaker 1: beautiful new beginnings are often disguised as painful endings that
Speaker 1: have to happen at a particular time. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean I think what's so exciting about chatting to you
Speaker 1: now is that you're in that agitated phase where you're
Speaker 1: agitating for a new joy and you don't know what
Speaker 1: that is yet, and people forget that, like people like
Speaker 1: you have that too. You know, it's not just normal
Speaker 1: people who aren't living at this high level career. Everyone
Speaker 1: at the brink of a new chapter has that discomfort,
Speaker 1: and that's why the discomfort. It sucks because it's not uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: but that's what forces the next chapter. And so I'm
Speaker 1: so excited to see what you do next. But in
Speaker 1: the meantime, let's talk about the marathons. Yeah, tell us
Speaker 1: about that, and also the charity, and I mean what
Speaker 1: you guys are doing with Culture City and you have
Speaker 1: four ASD kids as well. I think everyone has heard
Speaker 1: of autism, everyone has heard of the spectrum. Not a
Speaker 1: lot of us understand what to look out for or
Speaker 1: how it's diagnosed, how to treat it if it's treatable,
Speaker 1: and also what you guys are doing with the Foundations
Speaker 1: and how we can support you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, autism I think has changed our lives forever in
Speaker 2: the best way possible, which I know some people listen
Speaker 2: to and go, what like, your child's got autism, But
Speaker 2: it's something that we definitely celebrate. We knew what autism
Speaker 2: was before Jacob got diagnosed, but we had absolutely no
Speaker 2: idea what living with autism actually meant or felt like,
Speaker 2: or what that meant for the family moving forward. And
Speaker 2: in a nutshell, autism can look so many different ways
Speaker 2: in so many different individuals. In fact, you won't ever
Speaker 2: meet to autistic individuals that present in the same way,
Speaker 2: and for us, it's quite an invisible disability we like
Speaker 2: to call it, and it can affect those that are
Speaker 2: on the spectrum, can be affected in their social interactions,
Speaker 2: their communication, and also their behaviors. With Jacob, we see
Speaker 2: him in all different three of those is, in various
Speaker 2: different ways across the last two and a half years
Speaker 2: since he was diagnosed.
Speaker 5: It's really challenging, it's hard.
Speaker 2: But it has brought so much joy to our family
Speaker 2: and I think probably one of the things that has
Speaker 2: grounded us more than anything in our entire lives or
Speaker 2: careers or any setback. I think it just brought us
Speaker 2: back to life a little bit to celebrate the small moments,
Speaker 2: not just with Jacob, but with Miller and now with
Speaker 2: Jack and with each other, and Joe's career and achievements,
Speaker 2: that the small things sometimes matter more than the bigger
Speaker 2: things in terms of what we do. I think our
Speaker 2: purpose now is to give back. We have a wonderful
Speaker 2: opportunity to give back to a community.
Speaker 5: We never knew how we were going.
Speaker 2: To do that or what that was going to look like,
Speaker 2: and I think this has really just given us our purpose,
Speaker 2: and we do it for Jacob and we want a better,
Speaker 2: more understanding, inclusive future and world for him.
Speaker 5: So why wouldn't we use.
Speaker 2: Our platforms to go out there and talk about it
Speaker 2: and celebrate him as an individual, and of course the
Speaker 2: other two kids just as much as well. We are
Speaker 2: on the board of four ASD Kids in Australia and
Speaker 2: Culture City over here in America. I got one hundred
Speaker 2: percent bullied into doing a marathon for Culture City. They
Speaker 2: called it every heartstring I have, which wasn't too hard,
Speaker 2: and said you could do it for Jacob, and I
Speaker 2: decided my closest friend over here, my best friend, my lifeline,
Speaker 2: probably my second husband, probably see her more than.
Speaker 1: What I see.
Speaker 2: They have a little boy, Oliver, who is four months
Speaker 2: younger than Jacob, who has also recently just been diagnosed
Speaker 2: as on the spectrum. And I decided, you know, I've
Speaker 2: never wanted to run a marathon. Anyone who knows Netbourne
Speaker 2: knows that it's.
Speaker 5: A speed and power sport. It's not from distance running.
Speaker 5: So whilst all of these people who write the loveliest
Speaker 5: supportive messages to me on Instagram that I can do
Speaker 5: it because I was an athlete well, very different athletes,
Speaker 5: not in marathon.
Speaker 2: It's not one of those things that I've ever looked
Speaker 2: at and gone, oh my gosh, I want to run
Speaker 2: for black five hours straight. Like that doesn't inspire me,
Speaker 2: but it's not on my bucket list. It because you
Speaker 2: know what, some days for Jacob and for Oliver are
Speaker 2: incredibly difficult and challenging, and there's so much across their
Speaker 2: day that they are told that they cannot do or
Speaker 2: that they maybe find more challenging to do. And you
Speaker 2: know what, we make them do it. We teach them
Speaker 2: how to do it. So that's why I'm doing the marathon.
Speaker 2: I'm facing my fear of running for four or five
Speaker 2: hours and while I do it, hopefully raising a lot
Speaker 2: of money for Culture City.
Speaker 5: So that's where my inspiration comes from.
Speaker 2: That's where what at the moment is getting me through
Speaker 2: those really long Sunday runs that and sees the eight podcasts.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm doing it.
Speaker 2: It's really hard, and I know, sound like a wingy
Speaker 2: girl saying that, but I'm finding out really.
Speaker 1: It's five hours not my gem.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: If I'm going to leave Joe and the kids for
Speaker 2: a couple of hours to run on a Sunday.
Speaker 5: You know, there are better things that I would love
Speaker 5: to go out for breakfast and coffee with my girlfriends.
Speaker 1: Run to a massage parlor and run back as.
Speaker 5: My time away from the kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, we're getting there, and I'm ticking
Speaker 2: the boxes and now it's about six weeks away, so.
Speaker 5: I'm really excited for it to be over.
Speaker 2: And I'm at about sixty percent of my goal of
Speaker 2: raising about fifteen thousand dollars, so fingers crossed it can
Speaker 2: get there.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, And that is so extraordinary. We're training
Speaker 1: for the Melbourne Marathon, but I'm doing the half, which
Speaker 1: as a former non runner recently converted to actually I loved.
Speaker 1: I've loved and it's been amazing, but twenty one still
Speaker 1: feels pretty long, so I can't imagine having to do
Speaker 1: double that. That's just extraordinary. We only just been there.
Speaker 1: It was meant to be in October, but we just
Speaker 1: found out because of the lockdowns, it's been pushed out
Speaker 1: in December, and I'm like, I can't keep up this
Speaker 1: level of training and fitness until then. What do you
Speaker 1: mean I've trained to peak on a particular day. But
Speaker 1: I also love that The reason for you is because
Speaker 1: you know the boys, they do have to do a
Speaker 1: lot of things that are really uncomfortable for them, So
Speaker 1: you're doing something that's really uncomfortable for you.
Speaker 2: It's just really Yeah, it's more that you know, I've
Speaker 2: got to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: And you know, how can we support you in that?
Speaker 1: How can anyone just donate or can they jump online?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, I have a fundraising page which is on the
Speaker 2: Culture City website under their fundraising and donation section. So
Speaker 2: I'll be able to give you the link and you
Speaker 2: could put it in your show notes.
Speaker 5: That would be amazing.
Speaker 2: But even if people could shout me a coffee, that
Speaker 2: much is the donation. I know it's a really scary
Speaker 2: world at the moment out there, and people are having
Speaker 2: a lot of financial hardship, certainly with COVID and all
Speaker 2: of those things. Understand how tough it is for everyone,
Speaker 2: But shout me a coffee with the donation, and I
Speaker 2: would really really appreciate it because I'm doing it for
Speaker 2: a greater pause and hopefully for a more inclusive world.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so beautiful. I'm sure there will be so
Speaker 1: many people in the neighborhood who can shout at least
Speaker 1: a coffee in your journey. You guys are doing really
Speaker 1: really wonderful things. Thank you and raising awareness of something
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, like people might have heard of it.
Speaker 1: I know about the diagnosis, but not understand what it's
Speaker 1: like to live with or how you can help. You know,
Speaker 1: the boys live their best lives. I've had such a
Speaker 1: great time discussing the story with you guys that, as
Speaker 1: I always do, I've run us well over the hour,
Speaker 1: so I might just skip past n Ata, even though
Speaker 1: we have discussed quite a lot of the challenges along
Speaker 1: the way. Anyway, and move into the last section, which
Speaker 1: is your Playta. And as we spoke about before, you know,
Speaker 1: we touched on the idea that it's really important to
Speaker 1: get some distance from what you're doing and not just
Speaker 1: go one hundred and twenty percent all the time on
Speaker 1: your passion, because you're a better player, a better worker
Speaker 1: when you get perspective and you know, get some distance
Speaker 1: from things and find some joy. But that can be
Speaker 1: really hard when you your profession is your passion, which
Speaker 1: in both of your cases it has been, but maybe
Speaker 1: that makes it even more important to find a hobby
Speaker 1: or something to do outside of your working life. So
Speaker 1: for you, guys, what makes you really joyful? What do
Speaker 1: you do just for fun and what's your playta I.
Speaker 2: Feel like and here could completely contradict how grounded he
Speaker 2: was at the start and what he does.
Speaker 5: You love bass cars and cool starts, everything surrounded person.
Speaker 3: I've got some weird hobbies, not weird hobbies, but I'm
Speaker 3: obsessed with like real estate, so.
Speaker 4: I invest in real estate for my family.
Speaker 5: There is long term, yeah.
Speaker 3: And we're like we're building a house at the moment.
Speaker 3: So like things like that keepers very very busy. I
Speaker 3: do have an old school car kind of obsession as well,
Speaker 3: but I don't have that nice But I think for
Speaker 3: both of us too, is it's a lot of it.
Speaker 3: Like Renee got her little mates friends here that she'll
Speaker 3: go and catch up with, and I'm like, but it's like,
Speaker 3: I think the most fun and switch off and get
Speaker 3: away from it all is just kind of like either
Speaker 3: hanging here with the kids or going across the roads
Speaker 3: to the park, or we took them to San Diego
Speaker 3: for a week after the Olympics just to get away
Speaker 3: as a family and like being.
Speaker 4: In the pool with the kids all day and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. Like it's I think.
Speaker 3: Going back to earlier when you're talking about like our
Speaker 3: schedule and Renee being stuck at the house.
Speaker 4: Kind of thing and trying to get out for a
Speaker 4: marathon run.
Speaker 3: And on away and all that, when there's probably not
Speaker 3: that often that we're all five of us, like the kids,
Speaker 3: you're at school and Jack snapping and there's so much
Speaker 3: going on. Five of us aren't actually like always really
Speaker 3: together at the same time, awake and happy, and like.
Speaker 6: It's to get so when we can actually all be
Speaker 6: together and be outside or go to the park or
Speaker 6: go make a little quick trip somewhere to spend some
Speaker 6: time together and give the kids memories.
Speaker 4: And Jacob before San Diego kept telling you like, I
Speaker 4: want to go to the beach. I want to go
Speaker 4: to the beach, and we're like, the.
Speaker 5: Beach is Australia.
Speaker 4: He think, yeah, could do that. So we made up
Speaker 4: a beach in San Diego and he loved it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think they're the things.
Speaker 3: That my own personal hobbies are great, but I kind
Speaker 3: of try and do them on the side or on
Speaker 3: the road or at night whenever kids are in bed.
Speaker 3: But I think when we can be all five of
Speaker 3: us together is the most fun. Playing laser tag the
Speaker 3: other day around the house.
Speaker 1: Laser takes so much fun. Also, I've been looking at
Speaker 1: some of the yanchors. Does Utah is beautiful? There are
Speaker 1: so many amazing places you can go hiking. I have
Speaker 1: no I have no picture of you, tarry my brain.
Speaker 4: You get like the best of both worlds.
Speaker 3: So in the summer it's like the desert hot like forties,
Speaker 3: boiling hot, dry, like miserable, and then in the inter
Speaker 3: it's like the complete opposite. It's like three feet of snow.
Speaker 5: White Christmas.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yeah, miserable.
Speaker 1: So I see why you chose a sport that you
Speaker 1: can play inside a temperature controlled court. Yeah, yeah, got it.
Speaker 3: But it is beautiful, Like the National parks are great.
Speaker 3: We live kind of just on the basin now and
Speaker 3: so you get a bit of a view downtown and
Speaker 3: it's actually a nicest city than we've been in eight
Speaker 3: years now. Like we remember first getting here and there
Speaker 3: was like four restaurants and they were like the typical
Speaker 3: cheesecake factory and olive garden all that, and now like
Speaker 3: any food you want you can get a really good.
Speaker 4: Meal, any kind of cuisine or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like it's we actually say that Salt Lake City to
Speaker 2: us is very much like the Adelaide of Australia, like
Speaker 2: a big country town, pills just not far away. You
Speaker 2: can get up for a ski and all that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. Very close knit community, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: you run into Bob who knows that, Jenny who knows
Speaker 2: like everyone knows everyone. It's a really nice small town.
Speaker 4: Close knit than we thought. Kids going to school because
Speaker 4: now they're like, we all know everyone everyone. We're just
Speaker 4: a random Australian.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that's lovely. Just to finish up, second last question,
Speaker 1: three interesting things about each of you that don't normally
Speaker 1: come up interviews.
Speaker 2: And special you know this is.
Speaker 1: Very special.
Speaker 4: Firsts.
Speaker 2: Something I thought about this, something that absolutely no one
Speaker 2: knows about me is I have really really like ringlet hair,
Speaker 2: like really pearls. Yeah, no one ever looked social media
Speaker 2: and no one would ever believe that.
Speaker 1: But how long do you have to straightening or is
Speaker 1: it chemically straight?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's so thin that I just like wash
Speaker 2: it and then blow driyal straighten it and I only
Speaker 2: really wash my hair.
Speaker 5: Maybe once or twice a week.
Speaker 1: So yeah, gal, I hear we're in lockdown.
Speaker 2: Still, especially pandemic, there's no one to impress, so no, yep,
Speaker 2: So there's there's one thing.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating.
Speaker 4: A second one.
Speaker 3: My first break down was so he kind of like
Speaker 3: contradicts a little bit, like I'm saying I'm not superstitious
Speaker 3: and all that I have, Like weird, it's not superstitious because.
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 5: I think it is superstitious, but he's not.
Speaker 2: It happens to go completely around game day, so I
Speaker 2: feel like that makes it a superstition.
Speaker 3: Now it's just like with my so like the perfect
Speaker 3: example is my beard right now, which is disgusting. But
Speaker 3: during the Olympics, we started playing games and we started winning,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, shave tomorrow or whatever.
Speaker 4: And then we went again, and then we went again,
Speaker 4: and then we went again.
Speaker 5: Not just feeling things.
Speaker 3: So this is like yeah, and then a little bit
Speaker 3: with the jazz, but obviously like over eighty two I'm
Speaker 3: not going to not shave for eighty two games because
Speaker 3: it's disgusting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because your wife, But it's not like he's very
Speaker 5: particular about Yeah, like when he.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's like a superstition, but I just
Speaker 3: like the kind of like people like just keep rolling
Speaker 3: with it, like why why change it?
Speaker 4: It's not like.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's a superstition Joe, and has to
Speaker 1: be done at the right time with the hair trim
Speaker 1: which he gets his.
Speaker 3: Head because I can't get if I get my haircut
Speaker 3: and my beard don at the same time, I look
Speaker 3: like I'm twelve again.
Speaker 5: I can confirm that chime, which it is, like.
Speaker 3: And I'll go get my haircut soon, which I spoke
Speaker 3: to my guy today.
Speaker 1: You've got a guy, and I'll leave.
Speaker 3: That for a few days and then I'll eventually like
Speaker 3: trim my beard and then otherwise it's like going for my.
Speaker 1: Looking like it's a very specific schedule. I could feel
Speaker 1: like you've got to really coordinate.
Speaker 4: Wow, I don't care about shaving or like hates my
Speaker 4: beard more than me.
Speaker 1: I don't care about it. I hate my husband's bed too,
Speaker 1: but I also hate clean shaving. Yeah, you look fine,
Speaker 1: like middle double yeah weirdly. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 5: I reckon.
Speaker 2: Well, actually, you've actually done a fair deep dive full
Speaker 2: of research, so anything's going to guess what my first
Speaker 2: job was.
Speaker 5: It's probably you, but.
Speaker 2: My first paying job was on a mobile animal farm
Speaker 2: and we used.
Speaker 5: To go who baits and birthday parties and the Blue
Speaker 5: Heelers set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't not, Oh my god, I love animals.
Speaker 1: That would be the best job job.
Speaker 5: Can you believe that mobile?
Speaker 1: I actually can't believe that. I thought you were going
Speaker 1: to say, like a mobile phone shop or something. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, stopping calm down photophone year.
Speaker 5: Old kids from killing guinea pigs basically.
Speaker 4: And then she was a bartender.
Speaker 2: I was a bartender for three and a half years
Speaker 2: with Joe Curran.
Speaker 1: Yep, quiet Hotel classon Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: My second one that I wrote down was definitely something
Speaker 3: that people would know, but not as cool as my beard.
Speaker 1: Just a second tier fact.
Speaker 3: So since I went to Grenada my first year in
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight two thousand and nine when we
Speaker 3: finished the season, I haven't had a Christmas in Australia since.
Speaker 5: Since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: Wow eight was my last Christmas in Australia, which we
Speaker 3: probably played on Boxing Day I reckon with the NBL,
Speaker 3: So I probably didn't even really have a Christmas in
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight. So ever since I've known Renee,
Speaker 3: we've never had a Christmas in Australia together or a
Speaker 3: part Oh.
Speaker 1: My gosh that they've all been Northern Hemisphere, cold Christmases.
Speaker 1: And now it's going to be so weird for you
Speaker 1: guys when you do get back and Christmas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one in a couple of Europe, so I had
Speaker 3: multiple Europe. I'm saying the weather is decent there, but
Speaker 3: what everyone in Utah has been snow.
Speaker 1: It's kind of nice though. Christmas when it's snowing is
Speaker 1: really magical.
Speaker 3: Well, it's going to be funny with the kids because
Speaker 3: obviously they only know why.
Speaker 4: They think why Christmas is normal. It's just.
Speaker 5: The shrinks on the barbie for.
Speaker 1: All their Christmas cards actually make sense. Yeah, unlike us.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: My third one, which Renee remind under me the other
Speaker 3: day when we were talking about it.
Speaker 4: So I used to get really really mad and the
Speaker 4: can openers.
Speaker 5: Quite literally he cannot use the cannon.
Speaker 4: I would be losing my mind and swearing.
Speaker 8: She was just like like broken, like swearing, swearing, screaming
Speaker 8: the house down and complaining that it's broken.
Speaker 3: And then obviously realize that I'm left handed, so left handed,
Speaker 3: it's actually.
Speaker 4: A lot more. I think it all makes it possible.
Speaker 5: But apparently there's left handed left hand.
Speaker 2: Actually, birthday's coming up, maybe I'll get you a left
Speaker 2: handed canon.
Speaker 1: What a great present, honestly.
Speaker 3: Would be like what are you talking about? And then
Speaker 3: whatever can or whatever would be open?
Speaker 4: And I was like, what the.
Speaker 5: How did she do?
Speaker 3: I was like it was I've spoken for twenty minutes,
Speaker 3: like you just fixed it, and it's.
Speaker 1: I love that famous NBA player. Can't open it, cannot
Speaker 1: open it just can't. You cannot do it.
Speaker 3: We've got now like we've had it for a while.
Speaker 3: I figured out how to work it so I can
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 5: And it's it's not like yeah, you know when the
Speaker 5: cans just not a neat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a smooth brain.
Speaker 3: You're a smooth like plugged a little hole. And I've
Speaker 3: like stabbed the knife around it.
Speaker 1: You've just been pretending that you can use it. You're like, look, Rene,
Speaker 1: I did it, but you've got a knife and like
Speaker 1: hacked around just to like.
Speaker 5: It wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 4: But it's amazing, very very difficult to you.
Speaker 1: Wow, the challenges, the challenges.
Speaker 2: My third one that I feel like people that know
Speaker 2: me would know this, but people that are listening who
Speaker 2: hadn't known us before wouldn't know this. But my favorite
Speaker 2: meal ever in the entire world, and no one else
Speaker 2: can do it the same. Joe has done it really well,
Speaker 2: but still not the same. Is my dad curried sausages.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love Courage.
Speaker 5: My gosh.
Speaker 2: They are just like, oh God, I missed soraying that
Speaker 2: I haven't had them in.
Speaker 5: Like three years.
Speaker 4: Coals like coals.
Speaker 2: No one else can make it the same. You just
Speaker 2: get the perfect mix of curry and like everything.
Speaker 5: It's just anyway. My favorite ever is my Dad's caacter.
Speaker 3: I still remember going to house at the Patch one
Speaker 3: time and she was like having Dad's Courage sausages, and.
Speaker 5: I was like, they're actually.
Speaker 1: Like unbelievable, amazing. When you come back home, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna like turn up on your dad's stores and be like,
Speaker 1: I need, I need to understand what you're talking about
Speaker 1: with these sausages.
Speaker 5: You know, we do curried sausages with rice, like white rice.
Speaker 2: Whereas a lot of people do curried sausages or like
Speaker 2: curries with potato, but we do it with rice.
Speaker 5: So just just a heads up for when you come.
Speaker 1: It's the part is.
Speaker 5: It's not like a banger is a mash.
Speaker 3: It's like saying like we're having carried like I don't
Speaker 3: even like curry, Like what are.
Speaker 4: You talking about?
Speaker 1: What is happening?
Speaker 4: Like Pepper's spicy for an a and now we're eating
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 1: Wow, guys, the whole world knows you so much right now,
Speaker 1: this is so wonderful. Ship No, like s PC is
Speaker 1: going to ship all the like pullin the pull tin
Speaker 1: so that you don't have to use the can so
Speaker 1: much better except when you pull them off and then
Speaker 1: you just screw, like when the whole thing comes off
Speaker 1: and then you can't use the opener either, and you're
Speaker 1: just like, well, I'm never going to get.
Speaker 5: The baby you can't.
Speaker 1: Oh and last question, guys, what's your favorite quote.
Speaker 5: On the truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I don't. I'm not a
Speaker 4: quota not a quote.
Speaker 1: A lot of people aren't. It's only weird people like
Speaker 1: me who have one for every situation, Like it just
Speaker 1: comes out.
Speaker 4: I think it's a part of like earlier, like I'm
Speaker 4: just too like I just kind of.
Speaker 5: Can't remember anything, so I feel like you can.
Speaker 3: Quote from and I'll be like pull my phone out
Speaker 3: like trying to google like best quotes of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: I just don't.
Speaker 3: I think a part of it is just like no,
Speaker 3: like kind of just roll with it, like I'm I
Speaker 3: don't need anything to have to tell me what to
Speaker 3: do each day in the text the.
Speaker 1: Text message and the text messages reply.
Speaker 3: But then they're like it's just like it's suddenly like
Speaker 3: not playing well or whatever, like I'll figure it out,
Speaker 3: Like I don't need it.
Speaker 1: I don't need quotes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, I'm going to get a little bit
Speaker 2: cheesy because I had been thinking about this.
Speaker 5: Obviously.
Speaker 2: I've listened to your podcast a lot, so I've been
Speaker 2: listening to everyone else's quotes, and I was just.
Speaker 5: Like, oh no, I was feeling like the quote pressure,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: But I actually have to say, for so much of
Speaker 2: my career and any netballer that has been a teammate
Speaker 2: of mine and maybe listening, we go, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: we're an April quotes from here and here, And I
Speaker 2: always used to post quotes and have quotes on my
Speaker 2: wall and quotes of my diary and all of that stuff.
Speaker 2: And I honestly, when I think about it now, I
Speaker 2: think it was because I was just outsourcing inspiration all
Speaker 2: the time externally rather than sort of getting it from within.
Speaker 2: I felt like I had to work harder than anyone,
Speaker 2: and then every quote that I could get would inspire
Speaker 2: me essentially. So I can honestly say that that has
Speaker 2: totally changed. And I'm going to get a little bit
Speaker 2: cheesy here and tell you that my favorite quote. Joe
Speaker 2: doesn't know I'm going to say this. My favorite quote
Speaker 2: is actually one that we've always used and used to
Speaker 2: say to each other across our journey. Obviously, we talk
Speaker 2: about being together twelve thirteen years, but we actually had
Speaker 2: a little break in there for a while and took
Speaker 2: time apart. That was I think the best thing ever
Speaker 2: for us. But once we found our way back together,
Speaker 2: I think our relationship was a lot better long distance,
Speaker 2: and long distance is really hard and you had to
Speaker 2: get really good at communicating.
Speaker 5: This is a really long way of telling you this. Anyway,
Speaker 5: this is a beautiful We had to.
Speaker 2: Really learn to communicate, and I think our time apart
Speaker 2: just really made us grateful for what each other could bring,
Speaker 2: regardless of how completely opposite of each other.
Speaker 5: We are that we brought each other.
Speaker 2: That balance, and we always used to say to each other,
Speaker 2: like whether it was Joe's early morning or my late night,
Speaker 2: or my early morning at his late night, or just
Speaker 2: signing off and saying goodbye, whatever it was, we always
Speaker 2: used to say to each other.
Speaker 5: Thanks for making a difference.
Speaker 2: And we've probably gone a little bit away from that
Speaker 2: at the moment, but it is actually still something that
Speaker 2: not a mantra that I live by or a quote
Speaker 2: that I live by, but I just think that every
Speaker 2: person that I crossed parts with, or you know, with
Speaker 2: Jacob or Miller or Jack, the kids or Joe and
Speaker 2: our relationship is.
Speaker 5: How can I make a difference in a positive way?
Speaker 2: Obviously, so I kind of just yeah, we always used
Speaker 2: to say to each other, probably go back to that,
Speaker 2: but I think at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 2: he's making such a huge difference to my life and
Speaker 2: hopefully vice versa and the kids didn't going through the pandemic.
Speaker 2: So thanks for making a difference is something that we always.
Speaker 5: Just used to text each other.
Speaker 4: So you're going to say what the last emojis were?
Speaker 5: That's why I thought, oh, oh, we still do that so.
Speaker 3: We I don't even know how it started, but now
Speaker 3: you're like, hey, I see a good night. Like wherever
Speaker 3: we are, we would always finish it with the love
Speaker 3: heart emoji, the pound fist and the flames, because you
Speaker 3: know people used to do that like that. Yes, I
Speaker 3: don't even know how it started, but we used to
Speaker 3: like joke and do it to each other all the time,
Speaker 3: like when I was leaving the house or like whatever,
Speaker 3: and then it just always I don't even know when
Speaker 3: it started, but it's been now. We still do it now,
Speaker 3: like it to me when I text Renee, I just
Speaker 3: automatically do it. I don't even think about it anymore.
Speaker 1: To be like it's so cute.
Speaker 4: Like acting like twelve year olds.
Speaker 5: But it's just like maybe that's why thanks man, scrap,
Speaker 5: because it.
Speaker 1: Was because it's just like I prefer you know what,
Speaker 1: I like words. Both of those are awesome. I love
Speaker 1: both of them. You both are making such a huge difference.
Speaker 4: Is anyone not giving you a quote?
Speaker 1: No one's ever kno giving me a quote. I've had
Speaker 1: people quote themselves, which is cute. No one's ever given
Speaker 1: me an emoji before. That's a pretty good one. That's
Speaker 1: a flex. I really like that, Joe, that's a flex
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 3: When you're saying that, I was like, I was trying
Speaker 3: to think of how it started, and it was obviously
Speaker 3: just a completely random thing that happened.
Speaker 4: And then it's been, however, many years of just randomly
Speaker 4: doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm just doing it. What do you guys call each other?
Speaker 1: I feel like it's really interesting when you first are
Speaker 1: round a couple when they're speaking to each other, Like
Speaker 1: you go over to someone's place for dinner and they're
Speaker 1: cute word for each other is like the versions of
Speaker 1: baby or bar, but like you know, the first time you.
Speaker 2: Hear it, and you're always like something no one else
Speaker 2: ever knows. So everyone in the netball world calls me
Speaker 2: nay or neighbor. That's I've always just been name.
Speaker 1: Nay, Nay, Nay, Nay, neighbor, neighbor.
Speaker 2: Joe never called me a nickname ever, It's always been Renee.
Speaker 5: Like he's never called me nay, and everyone else's family
Speaker 5: friends calls me nay. He's never ever refuses.
Speaker 2: He's always just said, and I'm like, I guess I'm
Speaker 2: always in trouble.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, even like there's no bub or babe.
Speaker 2: Or a if anything, but no, he would never say baby,
Speaker 2: you taxed it, but you would never actually call me
Speaker 2: babe or I say babe all the time, Babe, Joe, Joe,
Speaker 2: Joe mister times you know, like Joe will go on
Speaker 2: like tour like the Boomers or on a blong broad
Speaker 2: trip and like it'll just like slip out and then
Speaker 2: he yo, bro, and I'll be like.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, you can see it again. It's even
Speaker 5: finished coming out of his lips. He's like, I'm retracting that.
Speaker 1: So my husband does the opposite. He's like, so we
Speaker 1: his dad's unewell and he's just gone into quarantine and tazzy.
Speaker 1: And so we've been doing long distance medium distance a
Speaker 1: little bit this year. But because all his work is
Speaker 1: online as well, he'll go to other people and be
Speaker 1: like hey, honey, or like love you to like one
Speaker 1: of his mates, so one of his clients, because we're
Speaker 1: like texting all the time. It's done it so many times.
Speaker 1: He's like, they all just accept the love heart.
Speaker 3: Now. I don't know why I've always I think the
Speaker 3: whole to me, it was always like a teammates thing.
Speaker 3: It's not me teammate like.
Speaker 1: So it's like bro, It's like bro to you, It's like, no,
Speaker 1: we're not growing out. Maybe the episode should be called
Speaker 1: Seize the Name.
Speaker 2: Well, I actually did listen in one of your other podcasts.
Speaker 2: You were saying that really wanted to get someone and
Speaker 2: a question because you really wanted to say seize the nay.
Speaker 2: And I was going to like, I literally neally texted
Speaker 2: you to be like you could use it anyway.
Speaker 5: I was like, but here you go.
Speaker 1: Oh you guys, you're amazing. This was absolutely delightful. I've
Speaker 1: taken up so much of your time, which now even
Speaker 1: more I appreciate how little time you get together at home,
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for spending a night on
Speaker 1: the show. This has just been delightful. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: to follow your journey with the run and see that
Speaker 1: the neighborhood can get behind you.
Speaker 2: I'm excited now to follow your journey with your run
Speaker 2: as well. And we obviously love what you're doing and
Speaker 2: all the positive energy that you're putting out there.
Speaker 5: So keep it up. Because you have two listeners over here.
Speaker 2: We love our podcast and we certainly love CESDA, So
Speaker 2: thank you for having a song it's been so fun.
Speaker 4: Real housewives who's so like sy.
Speaker 1: Oh even more. I appreciate that, like I'm the same.
Speaker 1: I'm in bed at six pm. If I can so
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. You've been amazing, and I'll
Speaker 1: make sure to include links to the fundraising pages in
Speaker 1: the show notes.
Speaker 5: Awesome, thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Like I said at the start, I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: in love with these too. I don't know how they
Speaker 1: keep such a good head on their shoulders, but they
Speaker 1: do it with such grace. Like we mentioned, it would
Speaker 1: be wonderful if anyone in the neighborhood whose circumstances allow
Speaker 1: could get around Rene's marathon effort coming up in the
Speaker 1: New York Marathon. We would so so appreciate it. So
Speaker 1: I've popped some links in the show notes if you'd
Speaker 1: like to support. And as we discussed, even the price
Speaker 1: of coffee can go a long way in the fight,
Speaker 1: so anything that you can afford to give would be
Speaker 1: so very much appreciated. If you enjoyed listening, As always,
Speaker 1: it means so much when you shower our guests with
Speaker 1: love or share the episode with your takeaways to thank
Speaker 1: them for their time. So please, if you're sharing tag
Speaker 1: Joe ingles and Renee ingles so they can hear what
Speaker 1: you thought. Also, if you're listening, Bianca, the wonderful human
Speaker 1: who I have to thank for this amazing episode, who
Speaker 1: has moved over to Utah to work with the family.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for making this possible, your amazing woman.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for your endless support and love for
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Hope you guys are all having a wonderful
Speaker 1: week and are seizing your yea