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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm

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Speaker 2: emm Mernham and I'm Laura Brodneck. And on the show today,

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Speaker 2: we have some updates on the Big Cyrus family drama,

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Speaker 2: especially with Miley and her dad Billy Ray, the best

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Speaker 2: Pohlar an interview studio with us here.

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Speaker 1: Friend of the pod. She's definitely not here, but her

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Speaker 2: Her voice will be. Laura did an interview with Amy Poehler.

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Speaker 2: I also have seen Inside Out two, which I really

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Speaker 1: But first, but first, very exciting news for Disney fans

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Speaker 1: this morning, of which I'm the chief Disney fan, not

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Speaker 2: When if someone proposes that's a proposal for you at Disneyland.

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Speaker 1: I don't care who it is. I would say yes,

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Speaker 1: because that's freaking magical. I'm such a cynical person, but

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Speaker 1: I think I have to only as an elder adulter.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't go on as a kid anyway. Disney Fans,

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Speaker 1: which is a two of us we've just clarified, are

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Speaker 1: Molwana live action movie has been announced. It's been a

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Speaker 1: big search and it's a straight actress called Catherine Legaia

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Speaker 1: who's going to start opposite Dwayne Johnson reprising his iconic

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Speaker 2: I am so freaking excited for this. Mowana is one

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Speaker 1: I love Momana. I listen to the soundtrack all the time.

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Speaker 1: And so what's interesting here is that aliky There of

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Speaker 1: in Molana too, which is there's a whole web here,

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Speaker 1: that's coming out. Oh yes. And then Catherine the Istralian

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Speaker 1: and like mentoring each other and friends behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: We're okay with it.

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Speaker 2: We're okay with it because her dad is Jay from

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Speaker 1: Done so much on the stuff. But I feel like

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Speaker 2: He's so beautiful and when he like would sing on

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Speaker 1: Well, I never thought i'd be delving this deep into

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Speaker 2: Oh for her or her TV show where she plays

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Speaker 2: It was like split down the middle where it was

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Speaker 1: Now that's still going on. It still is going on,

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Speaker 3: Mom is going to be better at this. I have

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Speaker 3: a terrible memory because I also inherited the narcissism from

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Speaker 1: But I think there is a very formulated thought process

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Speaker 1: else she says in that interview, which it's done anyway,

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Speaker 1: Of the problem, exactly. And it's more impactful than other

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