WEBVTT - Introducing: Ballerina Farm: A Secret Epidural And A Shit Birthday Present 0:00:10.405 --> 0:00:13.125 You're listening to a MoMA Mea podcast. 0:00:13.925 --> 0:00:16.885 Mama Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.885 --> 0:00:20.005 that this podcast is recorded on. Hey friends, it's Maya. 0:00:20.325 --> 0:00:22.565 If you enjoyed the episode that I did of No 0:00:22.645 --> 0:00:26.045 Filter earlier this week about Hannah Nielman, who is the 0:00:26.205 --> 0:00:30.605 ballerina from Ballerina Farm, it was an interview with a 0:00:30.645 --> 0:00:34.285 woman called Megan Agnew who had gone visited Hannah Nielman 0:00:34.365 --> 0:00:36.685 on her farm and spent a day with her and 0:00:36.725 --> 0:00:40.365 wrote a profile for the Sunday Times in the UK. Anyway, 0:00:40.645 --> 0:00:42.885 if you were interested in that, which a lot of 0:00:42.925 --> 0:00:46.845 people were, I thought you might like this extra episode 0:00:47.005 --> 0:00:50.085 of another Mama Maya podcast called Canceled. It's very different 0:00:50.405 --> 0:00:52.645 to the one that you heard me do earlier in 0:00:52.645 --> 0:00:55.405 the week, even though it is also about Ballerina Farm. 0:00:55.765 --> 0:00:57.845 They did this episode a couple of weeks ago and 0:00:57.885 --> 0:01:01.085 it made me laugh so much because Canceled is a 0:01:01.085 --> 0:01:05.085 comedy podcast. It's about cancel culture, but it's very very funny, 0:01:05.565 --> 0:01:08.565 and the name of the episode is Ballerina Farm. A 0:01:08.645 --> 0:01:11.965 Secret at a Rule and a Shit Birthday Present. Enjoy 0:01:12.165 --> 0:01:16.565 Claire and Jesse Stevens and Canceled. 0:01:23.725 --> 0:01:27.605 Hello, and welcome to Canceled, the podcast that looks at 0:01:27.645 --> 0:01:31.205 silly celebrity crimes and assigns charges and sentences so that 0:01:31.245 --> 0:01:33.925 we can all move on with our lives. I'm Jesse 0:01:34.045 --> 0:01:37.605 Stephens and I am joined by Claire Stephens, and today 0:01:37.965 --> 0:01:40.805 we're talking about Ballerina Farm. 0:01:40.885 --> 0:01:43.725 Here on the farm, the hens are laying eggs again 0:01:44.285 --> 0:01:46.845 using the winter they take a couple months off when 0:01:46.845 --> 0:01:50.725 it gets dark early. Today was a beautiful but very 0:01:50.845 --> 0:01:55.805 rainy day on the farm and there was creeving homie bread, 0:01:55.805 --> 0:01:56.445 homie down. 0:01:56.965 --> 0:01:59.845 The viewing up motherhood and bringing them to the earth 0:02:00.405 --> 0:02:06.565 is the most empowering. You have insisted on this for 0:02:06.685 --> 0:02:10.525 a week after a week after week. You've resisted, and 0:02:10.565 --> 0:02:16.005 I've resisted saying I forget what it is. I think 0:02:16.285 --> 0:02:20.525 it is obviously canceled. She Hannah Nielman. 0:02:20.805 --> 0:02:21.045 Yeah. 0:02:21.085 --> 0:02:23.525 And that's the thing is that I am using Ballerina 0:02:23.605 --> 0:02:27.325 Farm as a synonymously with Hannah Nielman, which is wrong. 0:02:28.045 --> 0:02:32.325 I will elaborate on why. Look For some the phrase 0:02:32.365 --> 0:02:36.885 Ballerina farm may contra up images of farming ballerinas. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:36.885 --> 0:02:39.925 that's what I picture, milking them, having them breed and 0:02:40.285 --> 0:02:44.085 pirouetting while potentially laying eggs. I know, see I see 0:02:44.285 --> 0:02:47.085 someone in a two to in hay, Oh wow, what 0:02:47.165 --> 0:02:51.405 I see mister branding opportunity there and we'll get into this, 0:02:51.485 --> 0:02:55.045 but not enough ballet. Look in some ways this ballerina 0:02:55.205 --> 0:02:59.645 has laid eggs, but I DIGRESSA Ballerina farm refers to 0:02:59.685 --> 0:03:04.005 the farm and social media handle of influencer Hannah Nielman. 0:03:04.365 --> 0:03:08.205 Nilman was born in June nineteen ninety. Okay, so she's 0:03:08.285 --> 0:03:12.245 like our age, see months older than us, but unlike you. 0:03:12.605 --> 0:03:15.405 She has nine point eight million followers on TikTok, ten 0:03:15.445 --> 0:03:18.925 million followers on Instagram, and eight children, none of whom 0:03:19.085 --> 0:03:24.205 seem to have a ponchent for hot chips. Both our 0:03:24.245 --> 0:03:27.245 babies really like odd chips. Her eldest is twelve and 0:03:27.285 --> 0:03:31.725 her youngest is one month younger than Matilda, your little gil. Okay, 0:03:32.165 --> 0:03:35.845 that's a lot of babies in quick succession. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:35.885 --> 0:03:38.685 what's eight times nine? I love? I think it's in 0:03:38.765 --> 0:03:42.445 eleven years. Yeah. I like to think when people have 0:03:42.445 --> 0:03:44.005 a lot of kids, I like to think about how 0:03:44.485 --> 0:03:47.445 many years of their lives they've spent pregnant. Oh yeah, 0:03:47.445 --> 0:03:51.845 what's eight? Eight times nine too many? Yeah, maybe like six. 0:03:53.525 --> 0:03:56.645 So how old is your baby again? Nine months? Okay, 0:03:56.725 --> 0:03:59.845 nine months? Interesting because Hannah Nielman, in an interview that 0:03:59.885 --> 0:04:02.605 we will touch on later, her husband says that when 0:04:02.805 --> 0:04:05.845 Hannah Nenielman's babies are nine months old, she has this 0:04:05.965 --> 0:04:08.245 desire she has to have a baby again, and like 0:04:08.325 --> 0:04:13.645 it kicks in discuss. Yeah, really pretty good. You have 0:04:13.765 --> 0:04:16.605 moments where you go, I could have ten and then yeah, 0:04:16.645 --> 0:04:19.605 we've all had that money, and then you think, actually, 0:04:20.405 --> 0:04:23.605 I have no money, I have no ballerina farm, I 0:04:23.685 --> 0:04:26.485 have no time. Haters will say I've got a work. 0:04:26.805 --> 0:04:29.965 Haters do say that. Nielman grew up in a Mormon 0:04:30.005 --> 0:04:33.285 family in Utah, and at fourteen, she attended a Juilliard 0:04:33.405 --> 0:04:36.565 School summer ballet program. She went on to receive a 0:04:36.605 --> 0:04:40.605 scholarship and finished her university ballet studies at Juilliard School 0:04:40.645 --> 0:04:44.645 in New York. That is the school where she auditioned. 0:04:44.725 --> 0:04:47.885 Slush got in in the movie Save the Last Dance? 0:04:48.285 --> 0:04:50.245 Is it okay? 0:04:50.285 --> 0:04:50.645 All right? 0:04:50.725 --> 0:04:53.685 That makes sense, and she did ballet, but yeah, she 0:04:53.685 --> 0:04:56.565 made it a bit hip hop. Yeah she appropriated black culture. 0:04:56.645 --> 0:04:58.725 Yeah that's why you liked it. Yeah, do you think 0:04:58.765 --> 0:05:01.165 that that's what Hannah Nielman did. Do you think she 0:05:01.285 --> 0:05:04.285 I think she did very classical ballet, because if you 0:05:04.445 --> 0:05:08.085 really watched that dance from Save the Last Dance, it's 0:05:08.165 --> 0:05:11.285 not good. Could cancel that? That would be a fun 0:05:11.325 --> 0:05:13.925 thing to cancel, say the Last Chance. While on a 0:05:13.965 --> 0:05:18.285 Thanksgiving break from college, she met a man named Daniel Nielman. 0:05:19.045 --> 0:05:22.645 My structure for today is as follows, Missus World competition, 0:05:23.125 --> 0:05:27.285 pretending to be poor, the Times hit piece, and a 0:05:27.325 --> 0:05:31.605 birthday present Missus World competition. Is it missus or myth? 0:05:32.005 --> 0:05:37.165 I'm right, I'm hosting, I'm reading. I researched, so you 0:05:38.245 --> 0:05:41.965 Pip pot down. In January of this year, a story 0:05:42.045 --> 0:05:44.805 is published in The New York Times with the headline 0:05:44.885 --> 0:05:47.645 she gave birth two weeks ago. Now she's in a 0:05:47.645 --> 0:05:51.645 beauty pageant. As I said, Claire, you and Hannah very 0:05:51.685 --> 0:05:56.925 similar in terms of your youngests. What were you doing 0:05:56.965 --> 0:06:04.885 two weeks postpartum? Screaming, crying, leaking, leaking. We're from everywhere. Yeah, 0:06:04.925 --> 0:06:08.325 the vadge, the boobs, the butt, but maybe not as 0:06:08.405 --> 0:06:10.925 a result they can saying in hospital, Oh you know, 0:06:10.965 --> 0:06:13.685 it could take up to six weeks to establish breastfeeding 0:06:14.085 --> 0:06:20.965 try like former honestly, which point we gay? So we 0:06:20.965 --> 0:06:25.405 were struggling. Okay, well, there's a lot of leaking. There's 0:06:25.485 --> 0:06:29.365 concerns about vagina's falling out and but holes falling out. 0:06:29.605 --> 0:06:32.365 You got your jelly tum tum afore mentioned. We did 0:06:32.405 --> 0:06:35.125 a whole episode on it. You smell like a barn, Yes, 0:06:35.845 --> 0:06:39.965 you smell like farm. You smell would be lovely on 0:06:40.045 --> 0:06:43.165 the farm. No one would mind, No one would mind. 0:06:43.605 --> 0:06:45.605 Oh my gosh, that's why she went to a farm, 0:06:45.965 --> 0:06:49.245 because I smell like farm, and if I'm out of farm, 0:06:49.725 --> 0:06:53.285 nobody will notice exactly. And then, as we've said, you 0:06:53.405 --> 0:06:56.005 got organs in your pants, Yes, you take your undies 0:06:56.045 --> 0:06:59.125 off and you go there's a kidney. Okay. Now, as 0:06:59.125 --> 0:07:04.405 we know, beauty pageants are unnecessarily confusing. So Nielman's sash 0:07:04.565 --> 0:07:09.245 red MISSUS American, which meant that she'd won missus America 0:07:09.405 --> 0:07:13.405 the year before or something. Okay, it's like grammatically incorrect. Yes, 0:07:14.525 --> 0:07:17.205 missus means that she's married. Yes, no, I got that, 0:07:17.325 --> 0:07:19.085 but it should say like it should You worried about 0:07:19.085 --> 0:07:22.965 Miss Australia, not Miss Australian. Yeah, but she was in 0:07:23.205 --> 0:07:26.485 the MISSUS America pageant, but her sash said, missus American 0:07:26.605 --> 0:07:31.405 it's still okay. American is not the past tense of America. 0:07:32.645 --> 0:07:37.005 That's my point, that's mine. Oh yeah, you're an American? Yeah, 0:07:37.045 --> 0:07:40.605 which she is. You know what's wild? It costs two 0:07:41.125 --> 0:07:44.205 five hundred dollars to enter. Some say that with all 0:07:44.245 --> 0:07:48.125 the expenses, travel, clothes, makeup, tan, entry fees for this pageantry, 0:07:48.525 --> 0:07:50.685 it can cost up to seventy five thousand dollars a 0:07:50.765 --> 0:07:53.605 year to be a pageant beauty queen. How much do 0:07:53.645 --> 0:07:58.125 you win? Great question? The missus World crown does not 0:07:58.285 --> 0:08:01.685 receive a monetary price. Ah and I have written here 0:08:01.725 --> 0:08:06.005 this feels like a metaphor for being a woman. Spend 0:08:06.205 --> 0:08:10.805 all your money to enter a competition. You cry, you 0:08:10.845 --> 0:08:14.805 get wait for it nothing. You can only lose, But 0:08:14.925 --> 0:08:19.485 you must compete to lose all your money. Come on, 0:08:19.845 --> 0:08:24.405 fake tan, come on, make up bikinis, himsuits, enta and tar. 0:08:24.725 --> 0:08:27.325 What will I win? Nothing? Punch in the face. What? 0:08:27.605 --> 0:08:31.525 Let me judge you outwardly? But I didn't want to enter? 0:08:32.085 --> 0:08:35.205 Well you did anyway. Neilman made it to the semi 0:08:35.245 --> 0:08:39.325 finals of missus World or missus America. I don't understand anymore. 0:08:39.765 --> 0:08:42.525 But not much further than that. But she'd already pissed 0:08:42.565 --> 0:08:46.725 some people off. Some critics said she was promoting unrealistic 0:08:46.845 --> 0:08:50.965 expectations for other postpartum women, while others got snarky that 0:08:51.045 --> 0:08:52.725 she had traveled on a plane with the two week 0:08:52.765 --> 0:08:55.085 old and was now dancing to Viva Las Vegas in 0:08:55.125 --> 0:08:59.245 a casino. All right, I think all women in beauty 0:08:59.285 --> 0:09:05.285 pageants promote unrealistic expectations of women. Yeah, and this is 0:09:05.405 --> 0:09:08.325 not where I come from in terms of when I 0:09:08.405 --> 0:09:11.525 watch parents online, when I watch parents living their lives, 0:09:11.525 --> 0:09:12.965 This is not where I come from. This is the 0:09:12.965 --> 0:09:15.285 one time I'm ever gonna say it. I don't think 0:09:15.285 --> 0:09:16.805 the two week old wanted to be at the pageant. 0:09:17.765 --> 0:09:20.245 I don't. I think the two week old just want 0:09:20.325 --> 0:09:23.805 to be with mum. Yeah, no, true, I guess you 0:09:23.885 --> 0:09:26.205 don't think. I don't think that she minded. I don't 0:09:26.205 --> 0:09:28.765 think she minded. I think she enjoyed Viva Las Vegas. Actually, 0:09:29.125 --> 0:09:31.765 Miss Hilda would have loved that. Yeah, apparently, like they 0:09:31.805 --> 0:09:34.005 all did like a communal dance to that song as 0:09:34.045 --> 0:09:36.005 part of the pageant. And I think the whole family 0:09:36.245 --> 0:09:39.325 don't know all the contestants. Oh, and I think the 0:09:39.365 --> 0:09:41.805 little baby would have had her pomp palms out being 0:09:41.845 --> 0:09:45.325 like viva. Yeah, like she'd have Really, I like the movement. 0:09:45.605 --> 0:09:48.085 I like the movement. It reminds me sound and there 0:09:48.325 --> 0:09:51.965 is my mum. Just to note on the trad wife 0:09:51.965 --> 0:09:55.885 phenomenon before we go any further, Neilman is widely considered 0:09:56.045 --> 0:09:59.205 a trad wife, which is short for traditional wife, even 0:09:59.325 --> 0:10:01.845 though in that New York Times piece that we're talking about, 0:10:02.005 --> 0:10:04.525 she said she was unfamiliar with the term. She said, 0:10:04.845 --> 0:10:07.845 I think everyone's mission is different. I find so much 0:10:07.925 --> 0:10:11.685 joy and satisfaction being with my kids. I checked my 0:10:11.765 --> 0:10:15.485 notes and that is allowed. Yes, let's just spend a 0:10:15.525 --> 0:10:18.605 moment on tradwives. You ever get in a tradwife mood? 0:10:19.085 --> 0:10:24.085 What I consider myself a trad wife? Absolutely? Did I 0:10:24.165 --> 0:10:27.565 make my daughter breakfast this morning? Yeah? I made oats. 0:10:27.725 --> 0:10:31.645 It took me four minutes, and I thought, hmm, am 0:10:31.645 --> 0:10:35.645 I nailing this? Yes? Am I a traditional wife? Absolutely? 0:10:36.125 --> 0:10:39.685 Will I walk in this afternoon and yell at my husband? Yes? 0:10:40.005 --> 0:10:44.725 Because buck gender roles Yes? So have you seen the 0:10:45.285 --> 0:10:48.325 TikTok trend? That's like a single mom who works too 0:10:48.485 --> 0:10:51.885 jobs will love her kids and never start and then 0:10:51.925 --> 0:10:55.885 it's like, m that's me every time I do anything. Yeah, 0:10:55.925 --> 0:10:58.005 I wipe down the bench and I'm like, yeah, here, 0:10:58.085 --> 0:11:01.805 I am just a slave to the patriarch. It's like, 0:11:01.885 --> 0:11:07.885 you made yourself a sandwich, is what you did? I 0:11:08.045 --> 0:11:12.085 made my baby eggs to I've never felt so Hannah Nielman. 0:11:12.565 --> 0:11:14.965 I got eggs from a fridge and then I got 0:11:15.005 --> 0:11:17.685 some butter. It's almost which was from Yeah, but the 0:11:17.765 --> 0:11:20.165 eggs it's almost like they were laid by a hen 0:11:20.245 --> 0:11:24.085 in the backyard. Yeah, exactly. And I cracked them and I, 0:11:24.165 --> 0:11:27.685 what are you? Kind of swirled them. Yeah, I swirled them, 0:11:27.685 --> 0:11:30.005 put in the moon and pants and I just went 0:11:30.245 --> 0:11:32.125 that song was going on the background. I just went, 0:11:32.285 --> 0:11:36.125 I love trad wife life. What can I say? Planned 0:11:36.165 --> 0:11:40.485 to be a mother and your kids like and then 0:11:40.525 --> 0:11:42.965 she like gagged it. We said you were actually there, 0:11:43.005 --> 0:11:44.845 and we're both like, she's remembered its egg and then 0:11:44.845 --> 0:11:47.125 she just started like dry reaching and I was like, 0:11:47.165 --> 0:11:52.645 it's actually usually hard. It's like, I'm glad I'm not 0:11:52.685 --> 0:11:55.805 putting my whole identity to a trad wife because I'd 0:11:55.805 --> 0:12:01.285 be wildly disappointed pretending to be poor. Neilman lives on 0:12:01.325 --> 0:12:04.485 a farm with her husband and her eight kids, her Cowchulip, 0:12:04.605 --> 0:12:08.045 and also her vintage green stove that she bought from 0:12:08.125 --> 0:12:12.725 Greggs List Want Again, named tul Yeah. Just to go 0:12:12.805 --> 0:12:15.565 back a little bit, it's twenty eleven when Hannah marries 0:12:15.645 --> 0:12:18.605 Daniel and then they go and live in South America 0:12:18.685 --> 0:12:22.165 for Daniel's job, which we're gonna explore, and they have 0:12:22.245 --> 0:12:25.725 their two sons, but they are obsessed with farm life. 0:12:25.765 --> 0:12:28.165 They dream of living on a farm. And then when 0:12:28.245 --> 0:12:31.045 they return to the States four years later, they buy 0:12:31.045 --> 0:12:34.285 some farmland and they are set on creating a new 0:12:34.365 --> 0:12:37.445 kind of life for their family. They call it Ballerina 0:12:37.485 --> 0:12:40.725 Farm because of Hannah's previous stream of being a ballerina. 0:12:40.765 --> 0:12:43.645 Like Julia Stiles The Last Night, I feel like people 0:12:43.645 --> 0:12:46.565 who live on farms are happy. I think this is 0:12:46.605 --> 0:12:48.045 part of the appeal, is that we all wish you 0:12:48.125 --> 0:12:51.565 lived on a farm. Yeah, don't. Like David Beckham and 0:12:51.645 --> 0:12:54.485 Victoria Beckham, they appear to live on something that resembles 0:12:54.485 --> 0:12:56.645 a farm. There's people who live on farms and people 0:12:56.725 --> 0:12:59.205 who wish they lived on farms but can't afford it. 0:12:59.285 --> 0:12:59.565 Yeah. 0:12:59.925 --> 0:13:03.125 Yeah, and also wouldn't know what to do. Nielman starts 0:13:03.125 --> 0:13:06.525 documenting their journey, and fans watch them make heaps of 0:13:06.565 --> 0:13:08.845 mistakes because obviously they have no idea what they're doing. 0:13:09.605 --> 0:13:12.565 But they do farm management and marketing courses and invest 0:13:12.725 --> 0:13:15.365 heaps of time and money into learning how to be farmers. 0:13:15.405 --> 0:13:17.845 What are they farming? So they got a bunch of cows? 0:13:18.005 --> 0:13:20.205 Sounds like that, man have one cow called You're that's 0:13:20.245 --> 0:13:23.045 the one she's closest to. It's just that's the pet. 0:13:23.245 --> 0:13:26.125 That's the pet. I think Tilip is more of a milking, 0:13:26.205 --> 0:13:29.205 squeeze squeeze cow, not killing for its meat. No, no, no, 0:13:29.285 --> 0:13:32.645 but they do have black meat. They have like what 0:13:32.765 --> 0:13:35.645 else would say a farm? Well, I think about it 0:13:35.725 --> 0:13:37.845 like all McDonald out of fine and there's like a 0:13:37.925 --> 0:13:41.765 quack quack here. We have a friend who grew up 0:13:41.805 --> 0:13:44.805 on a farm and you know, lots of cows, chickens, 0:13:44.805 --> 0:13:49.885 all of that, and one day they adopted a cow. Yeah, 0:13:50.085 --> 0:13:52.325 his name was black Joe. Yeah, because he was black, 0:13:52.445 --> 0:13:55.165 and Black Joe thought he was a thought he was 0:13:55.205 --> 0:13:59.005 a dog and he would sit on the porch. Yeah, 0:13:59.165 --> 0:14:03.245 he really went full dog. He grew afraid of cows 0:14:03.885 --> 0:14:06.725 because to a dog, cows are big and scary yeah, 0:14:06.765 --> 0:14:09.965 but it's like Joe, you're a cow. And then the 0:14:10.045 --> 0:14:14.085 thing about farm life is that Joe made a great dinner. 0:14:14.445 --> 0:14:19.085 Joe came, which none of us can judge about. No, 0:14:19.405 --> 0:14:23.205 because if you're not a vegan, which like all power 0:14:23.205 --> 0:14:25.565 to you, But if you're not, then you know, this 0:14:25.725 --> 0:14:27.125 is what we have to do in order to eat 0:14:27.125 --> 0:14:29.445 our meat. Yeah, but I just think maybe Tulip is 0:14:29.445 --> 0:14:35.325 the black Joe a Ballerina farm for now. So lots 0:14:35.325 --> 0:14:39.765 of questions start about how they could invest time and 0:14:39.805 --> 0:14:42.245 money into learning how to farm, because everyone's like, I 0:14:42.325 --> 0:14:44.725 want in teach how to teach me how to farm 0:14:44.765 --> 0:14:47.085 on TikTok? How could they afford to have all these 0:14:47.205 --> 0:14:50.365 kids live on this giant farm and make so many mistakes? 0:14:50.765 --> 0:14:56.085 That is when the Internet sleuths clocked it, the aforementioned 0:14:56.485 --> 0:15:01.005 vintage green stove. It was a clue. It has a name. 0:15:01.045 --> 0:15:04.605 It is named Agnes, the one that she bought from Craiglist. 0:15:04.765 --> 0:15:07.485 Someone thought it looked familiar, so they googled it and 0:15:07.525 --> 0:15:11.725 that particular model of stove it costs thirty thousand US dollars, 0:15:12.245 --> 0:15:15.005 might be slightly cheaper on craigslist. Not that much, sheep, 0:15:15.205 --> 0:15:18.085 see I wouldn't know how much a stove is meant 0:15:18.085 --> 0:15:21.365 to cost. It does seem exorbitant. Yeah, I reckon a stove. 0:15:21.445 --> 0:15:23.925 I reckon nice fifty kosi dollars. If I went into 0:15:23.965 --> 0:15:25.645 my friend's house and they were like, this is my stove. 0:15:25.645 --> 0:15:28.245 It cost fifty k I'd be like, whoa, it's an 0:15:28.245 --> 0:15:32.365 expensive stove. Yeah, yeah, you'd want to name it. Daniel 0:15:32.485 --> 0:15:35.685 Nielman is heir to a fortune of about four hundred 0:15:35.685 --> 0:15:39.285 million dollars, give or take a few million. Could you 0:15:39.285 --> 0:15:42.245 give or take a few million? I even thinking, so? 0:15:42.925 --> 0:15:45.605 Is he full time farm life? Yeah, so you can 0:15:45.645 --> 0:15:50.885 be full time farm life when you are getting an inheritance. Well, 0:15:51.325 --> 0:15:55.445 his dad founded five commercial airlines, which is bullshit because 0:15:55.485 --> 0:15:59.125 our dad hasn't even found one, not even Rex, not 0:15:59.285 --> 0:16:03.445 even Rex. This includes Jet Blue Airlines, which even I've 0:16:03.485 --> 0:16:06.485 heard of. Think pieces were published with a writer named 0:16:06.645 --> 0:16:10.125 Meg Conley observing so many people who do live off 0:16:10.205 --> 0:16:13.485 the land are in such a desperate state. When Ballerina 0:16:13.525 --> 0:16:18.245 Farm pretends their reality is reality, those people are erased. Basically, 0:16:18.285 --> 0:16:20.565 she argues that they're not actually living off the land 0:16:20.645 --> 0:16:23.485 even though they pretend to be. A viral TikTok video 0:16:23.565 --> 0:16:26.125 by someone with an unreadable handle said one of her 0:16:26.125 --> 0:16:29.325 gripes is that Nielman's life doesn't have the same steaks 0:16:29.485 --> 0:16:33.485 as other farmers because it isn't tied to direct financial stress. 0:16:34.365 --> 0:16:37.445 A lot of commentators took issue with the lack of transparency, 0:16:37.645 --> 0:16:40.245 arguing that they were caused playing as ordinary farm folk 0:16:40.605 --> 0:16:43.445 with their cowboy hats and their prairie dresses, but really 0:16:43.485 --> 0:16:45.645 they had a movie room all along. One thing I 0:16:45.685 --> 0:16:49.965 will say is everything I have said so far about 0:16:50.125 --> 0:16:53.765 farms and wanting to be a farmer, I'm saying all 0:16:53.845 --> 0:16:56.925 of that from the lens of oh McDonald had a 0:16:56.965 --> 0:17:03.605 farmer obviously, no, obviously, but also somebody with inexplicable wealth 0:17:03.645 --> 0:17:07.085 who has a farm. It'd be really hard to actually 0:17:07.125 --> 0:17:08.965 have to live off the land. That's not what I 0:17:09.365 --> 0:17:11.205 don't pretend, like we understand how hard it would be 0:17:11.245 --> 0:17:13.125 to live off the lane. No, no, no, no, no no. 0:17:13.405 --> 0:17:16.885 And I guess my point is, like, did Hannah Nielman 0:17:17.125 --> 0:17:20.165 pretend she was a real farmer? Okay, I will get 0:17:20.205 --> 0:17:23.805 to that comly who wrote that article before she said 0:17:23.845 --> 0:17:26.085 about Hannah Nielman, just say it. Say we come from 0:17:26.125 --> 0:17:29.605 a family with immediate resources. We are so lucky, and honey, 0:17:29.925 --> 0:17:32.725 have you been on the internet. This is why they 0:17:32.725 --> 0:17:35.685 weren't transparent, because everyone gets mad when you admit that 0:17:35.685 --> 0:17:38.965 you're filthy rich. Hmm, people get really angry. You're allowed 0:17:38.965 --> 0:17:41.805 to feel tricked or to stop watching their content, absolutely, 0:17:41.845 --> 0:17:43.525 but to say it's not fair because they don't have 0:17:43.645 --> 0:17:47.645 the same steaks is a bit weird. Welcome to inequality. 0:17:47.765 --> 0:17:52.485 It's not just a TikTok thing. Yeah, yeah, and unequal 0:17:52.525 --> 0:17:56.845 steaks exist everywhere all of the time. Yes. And something 0:17:56.925 --> 0:18:00.005 I have thought about more in my old age is 0:18:00.525 --> 0:18:03.285 I look at people and I say, you know, you're privileged, 0:18:03.525 --> 0:18:05.925 you have money, you went to private school, et cetera, 0:18:05.965 --> 0:18:12.125 et cetera. Hmm, hm, that's allowed. That's allowed. I know, 0:18:12.445 --> 0:18:14.405 I know. That kept coming up for me is that 0:18:14.445 --> 0:18:17.725 it is allowed. I will say I do not follow 0:18:17.885 --> 0:18:20.965 Nilman religiously. She pops up for me. But I read 0:18:20.965 --> 0:18:23.205 a bunch of like Reddit threads and commentary, and a 0:18:23.245 --> 0:18:26.445 lot of people said that they expressed, especially in the 0:18:26.445 --> 0:18:28.925 early days, a lot of stress about trying to sell 0:18:28.965 --> 0:18:32.525 meat and they couldn't something about a rug they couldn't afford, 0:18:32.925 --> 0:18:36.685 and their house is apparently quite simple. Although I swear 0:18:36.725 --> 0:18:39.045 I've seen a gym and they sort of present like 0:18:39.085 --> 0:18:41.925 they're living off the farm. And people have done the 0:18:41.965 --> 0:18:44.525 maths and say, at least at the beginning, that wasn't 0:18:44.725 --> 0:18:46.965 at all possible. It wouldn't have had it up. At 0:18:46.965 --> 0:18:49.885 the same time, just because somebody's family has a lot 0:18:49.885 --> 0:18:54.245 of money, you don't know what their financial arrangement is 0:18:54.485 --> 0:18:58.365 in terms of whether they are getting that money, whether 0:18:58.405 --> 0:19:00.725 they want to get that money, whether they want to 0:19:00.765 --> 0:19:03.885 live independently. I don't know. It's just very I mean, 0:19:03.925 --> 0:19:06.245 in order to take that jump, they would have needed 0:19:06.285 --> 0:19:08.685 financial backing, absolutely, and they would have needed a big 0:19:08.725 --> 0:19:12.885 pot of money. But just because you're filthy rich or 0:19:13.085 --> 0:19:15.445 like you have inheritance doesn't mean you've got to live 0:19:15.485 --> 0:19:18.085 like the Kardashians. It doesn't mean you've got to live 0:19:18.165 --> 0:19:20.405 in some ridiculous house with your private jets and your 0:19:20.565 --> 0:19:23.565 prior to bags, right. I actually kind of like they're 0:19:23.605 --> 0:19:26.765 doing this like farm life thing. I think that's not 0:19:26.845 --> 0:19:30.605 so bad, kind of like Kanye with his ranch. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:30.685 --> 0:19:43.845 I guess that Times takedown peace. At the end of 0:19:43.925 --> 0:19:46.485 July this year, an article was published in The Times 0:19:46.525 --> 0:19:49.325 London that, in terms of Internet discourse was one of 0:19:49.325 --> 0:19:52.165 the biggest moments of the year. Do you remember this obviously? 0:19:52.325 --> 0:19:52.765 All right? 0:19:53.085 --> 0:19:57.645 The headline reads, Meet the Queen of the Tradwives and 0:19:57.725 --> 0:20:02.125 her eight children. A journalist named Megan Agnew went to 0:20:02.205 --> 0:20:05.325 Ballerina Farm for this feature on Hannah Nielman, and in 0:20:05.365 --> 0:20:09.765 my opinion, it was a hit piece. Well, he gets 0:20:09.765 --> 0:20:12.005 there and Daniel opens the door with a baby in 0:20:12.045 --> 0:20:14.765 his arms. Hannah then comes down and takes the baby 0:20:14.805 --> 0:20:18.605 from him, and Agnew writes she will not leave Nielman's 0:20:18.685 --> 0:20:22.205 chest for the four hours we're together. Weird tone, but okay, 0:20:22.325 --> 0:20:25.045 how old is the baby? The baby at that stage 0:20:25.125 --> 0:20:28.565 would have barely been six months. Yeah, that's okay. Moms 0:20:28.565 --> 0:20:31.925 are allowed told their babies. Yeah, moms are allowed to 0:20:31.925 --> 0:20:36.325 tell their babies. That's allowed. Its loud. Neilman actually says 0:20:36.485 --> 0:20:38.885 she doesn't identify as a tad wife. She says, I'm 0:20:38.925 --> 0:20:41.285 a mum, but we're paving out a path that hasn't 0:20:41.285 --> 0:20:44.805 been done before. I guess she's talking about farming. Agnew 0:20:45.085 --> 0:20:47.285 asks him out right if Daniel is the boss, and 0:20:47.325 --> 0:20:51.005 they both say no, they're co CEOs of Ballerina fum O. 0:20:51.165 --> 0:20:54.045 You see, you have a farm. Yeah, because Ballerina Fum 0:20:54.125 --> 0:20:55.925 I should have been more clear on this. They have 0:20:56.285 --> 0:20:59.805 heaps of products now, it's like a very aspirational this 0:20:59.885 --> 0:21:04.485 is the thing. Sorry, this is a business. Sorry, it's 0:21:04.525 --> 0:21:08.525 not just isn't real. She's an idea, she's a brand, 0:21:08.845 --> 0:21:13.645 she's a selling it's smelting. Not just milk from tulip. 0:21:13.845 --> 0:21:17.965 Hannah Nielman is Ballerina Farm and Ballerina Fumm is products. Okay, 0:21:18.125 --> 0:21:21.445 you can buy from Ballerina fum dot com. What products me? 0:21:22.085 --> 0:21:25.205 I believe things like butter. They put something up the 0:21:25.205 --> 0:21:27.685 other day of a new thing, like a protein powder, 0:21:28.005 --> 0:21:30.805 like they have a whole shop. Imagine like Goop or 0:21:30.885 --> 0:21:33.125 like what Megan Markle's trying to do that kind of thing, 0:21:33.645 --> 0:21:36.045 and I imagine that they're making a lot of money 0:21:36.085 --> 0:21:38.125 from it right now. So ten million followers is just 0:21:38.285 --> 0:21:40.645 this is just brand extension. Love. This is why they 0:21:40.685 --> 0:21:42.485 invited them into their house, because they were like, yes, 0:21:42.885 --> 0:21:45.965 I want to sell more beef free promo. Yes. The 0:21:46.005 --> 0:21:49.165 whole tension is that Agnew wants to get Nielman one 0:21:49.205 --> 0:21:53.005 on one, but Daniel wants to show her his farm, 0:21:53.405 --> 0:21:56.605 which is very a man on a farm. Yeah, he's like, 0:21:56.685 --> 0:21:59.125 you want a tour and she's like not really, don't 0:21:59.165 --> 0:22:01.085 give and he's like, I can show you the shed. 0:22:01.325 --> 0:22:03.565 She didn't want to see the shed. She's flown from 0:22:03.565 --> 0:22:05.925 London to Utah, which she got to Utah, then she 0:22:06.005 --> 0:22:08.805 had to drive around mountains to get to ballerina farm 0:22:08.925 --> 0:22:10.485 and Dan and he was like, you want to see 0:22:10.525 --> 0:22:13.365 a ditch and she's like, no, I don't, not really, 0:22:13.525 --> 0:22:17.645 like we've got six ditches, don't want to see it. 0:22:18.085 --> 0:22:21.685 Nilman does tell her that this farm vibe wasn't exactly 0:22:21.725 --> 0:22:23.925 the goal because she did want to be a ballerina, 0:22:24.005 --> 0:22:26.245 but she knew that when she started to have kids, 0:22:26.245 --> 0:22:29.725 life would look different. She tells the origin story and 0:22:29.765 --> 0:22:32.285 basically she mentioned to Daniel that she had to go 0:22:32.365 --> 0:22:36.645 back to Juilliard for her ballerina ring and he is like, oh, what, 0:22:36.885 --> 0:22:40.445 no way, I'm on the same flight. She didn't realize 0:22:40.485 --> 0:22:43.525 his dad owned the airline, so he could probably get 0:22:43.525 --> 0:22:46.485 in the system and do some weaseland. So he got 0:22:46.605 --> 0:22:48.245 into the seat next to her and that was their 0:22:48.245 --> 0:22:54.525 first date, which not great publicity for jet Blue because honey, 0:22:54.605 --> 0:22:57.165 how did you get those details about someone's seat number? 0:22:57.605 --> 0:23:00.405 Feels like a massive privacy concern. I don't want to 0:23:00.525 --> 0:23:03.485 know that that's how it works, that he can just 0:23:03.605 --> 0:23:06.965 log on and be like, where's Hannah sitting? Sir, not 0:23:07.045 --> 0:23:10.325