Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mea podcast.
Speaker 2: Mama Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. Hey friends, it's Maya.
Speaker 2: If you enjoyed the episode that I did of No
Speaker 2: Filter earlier this week about Hannah Nielman, who is the
Speaker 2: ballerina from Ballerina Farm, it was an interview with a
Speaker 2: woman called Megan Agnew who had gone visited Hannah Nielman
Speaker 2: on her farm and spent a day with her and
Speaker 2: wrote a profile for the Sunday Times in the UK. Anyway,
Speaker 2: if you were interested in that, which a lot of
Speaker 2: people were, I thought you might like this extra episode
Speaker 2: of another Mama Maya podcast called Canceled. It's very different
Speaker 2: to the one that you heard me do earlier in
Speaker 2: the week, even though it is also about Ballerina Farm.
Speaker 2: They did this episode a couple of weeks ago and
Speaker 2: it made me laugh so much because Canceled is a
Speaker 2: comedy podcast. It's about cancel culture, but it's very very funny,
Speaker 2: and the name of the episode is Ballerina Farm. A
Speaker 2: Secret at a Rule and a Shit Birthday Present. Enjoy
Speaker 2: Claire and Jesse Stevens and Canceled.
Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to Canceled, the podcast that looks at
Speaker 3: silly celebrity crimes and assigns charges and sentences so that
Speaker 3: we can all move on with our lives. I'm Jesse
Speaker 3: Stephens and I am joined by Claire Stephens, and today
Speaker 3: we're talking about Ballerina Farm.
Speaker 1: Here on the farm, the hens are laying eggs again
Speaker 1: using the winter they take a couple months off when
Speaker 1: it gets dark early. Today was a beautiful but very
Speaker 1: rainy day on the farm and there was creeving homie bread,
Speaker 1: homie down.
Speaker 3: The viewing up motherhood and bringing them to the earth
Speaker 3: is the most empowering. You have insisted on this for
Speaker 3: a week after a week after week. You've resisted, and
Speaker 3: I've resisted saying I forget what it is. I think
Speaker 3: it is obviously canceled. She Hannah Nielman.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing is that I am using Ballerina
Speaker 3: Farm as a synonymously with Hannah Nielman, which is wrong.
Speaker 3: I will elaborate on why. Look For some the phrase
Speaker 3: Ballerina farm may contra up images of farming ballerinas. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what I picture, milking them, having them breed and
Speaker 3: pirouetting while potentially laying eggs. I know, see I see
Speaker 3: someone in a two to in hay, Oh wow, what
Speaker 3: I see mister branding opportunity there and we'll get into this,
Speaker 3: but not enough ballet. Look in some ways this ballerina
Speaker 3: has laid eggs, but I DIGRESSA Ballerina farm refers to
Speaker 3: the farm and social media handle of influencer Hannah Nielman.
Speaker 3: Nilman was born in June nineteen ninety. Okay, so she's
Speaker 3: like our age, see months older than us, but unlike you.
Speaker 3: She has nine point eight million followers on TikTok, ten
Speaker 3: million followers on Instagram, and eight children, none of whom
Speaker 3: seem to have a ponchent for hot chips. Both our
Speaker 3: babies really like odd chips. Her eldest is twelve and
Speaker 3: her youngest is one month younger than Matilda, your little gil. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's a lot of babies in quick succession. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: what's eight times nine? I love? I think it's in
Speaker 3: eleven years. Yeah. I like to think when people have
Speaker 3: a lot of kids, I like to think about how
Speaker 3: many years of their lives they've spent pregnant. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: what's eight? Eight times nine too many? Yeah, maybe like six.
Speaker 3: So how old is your baby again? Nine months? Okay,
Speaker 3: nine months? Interesting because Hannah Nielman, in an interview that
Speaker 3: we will touch on later, her husband says that when
Speaker 3: Hannah Nenielman's babies are nine months old, she has this
Speaker 3: desire she has to have a baby again, and like
Speaker 3: it kicks in discuss. Yeah, really pretty good. You have
Speaker 3: moments where you go, I could have ten and then yeah,
Speaker 3: we've all had that money, and then you think, actually,
Speaker 3: I have no money, I have no ballerina farm, I
Speaker 3: have no time. Haters will say I've got a work.
Speaker 3: Haters do say that. Nielman grew up in a Mormon
Speaker 3: family in Utah, and at fourteen, she attended a Juilliard
Speaker 3: School summer ballet program. She went on to receive a
Speaker 3: scholarship and finished her university ballet studies at Juilliard School
Speaker 3: in New York. That is the school where she auditioned.
Speaker 3: Slush got in in the movie Save the Last Dance?
Speaker 3: Is it okay?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: That makes sense, and she did ballet, but yeah, she
Speaker 3: made it a bit hip hop. Yeah she appropriated black culture.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's why you liked it. Yeah, do you think
Speaker 3: that that's what Hannah Nielman did. Do you think she
Speaker 3: I think she did very classical ballet, because if you
Speaker 3: really watched that dance from Save the Last Dance, it's
Speaker 3: not good. Could cancel that? That would be a fun
Speaker 3: thing to cancel, say the Last Chance. While on a
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving break from college, she met a man named Daniel Nielman.
Speaker 3: My structure for today is as follows, Missus World competition,
Speaker 3: pretending to be poor, the Times hit piece, and a
Speaker 3: birthday present Missus World competition. Is it missus or myth?
Speaker 3: I'm right, I'm hosting, I'm reading. I researched, so you
Speaker 3: Pip pot down. In January of this year, a story
Speaker 3: is published in The New York Times with the headline
Speaker 3: she gave birth two weeks ago. Now she's in a
Speaker 3: beauty pageant. As I said, Claire, you and Hannah very
Speaker 3: similar in terms of your youngests. What were you doing
Speaker 3: two weeks postpartum? Screaming, crying, leaking, leaking. We're from everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the vadge, the boobs, the butt, but maybe not as
Speaker 3: a result they can saying in hospital, Oh you know,
Speaker 3: it could take up to six weeks to establish breastfeeding
Speaker 3: try like former honestly, which point we gay? So we
Speaker 3: were struggling. Okay, well, there's a lot of leaking. There's
Speaker 3: concerns about vagina's falling out and but holes falling out.
Speaker 3: You got your jelly tum tum afore mentioned. We did
Speaker 3: a whole episode on it. You smell like a barn, Yes,
Speaker 3: you smell like farm. You smell would be lovely on
Speaker 3: the farm. No one would mind, No one would mind.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's why she went to a farm,
Speaker 3: because I smell like farm, and if I'm out of farm,
Speaker 3: nobody will notice exactly. And then, as we've said, you
Speaker 3: got organs in your pants, Yes, you take your undies
Speaker 3: off and you go there's a kidney. Okay. Now, as
Speaker 3: we know, beauty pageants are unnecessarily confusing. So Nielman's sash
Speaker 3: red MISSUS American, which meant that she'd won missus America
Speaker 3: the year before or something. Okay, it's like grammatically incorrect. Yes,
Speaker 3: missus means that she's married. Yes, no, I got that,
Speaker 3: but it should say like it should You worried about
Speaker 3: Miss Australia, not Miss Australian. Yeah, but she was in
Speaker 3: the MISSUS America pageant, but her sash said, missus American
Speaker 3: it's still okay. American is not the past tense of America.
Speaker 3: That's my point, that's mine. Oh yeah, you're an American? Yeah,
Speaker 3: which she is. You know what's wild? It costs two
Speaker 3: five hundred dollars to enter. Some say that with all
Speaker 3: the expenses, travel, clothes, makeup, tan, entry fees for this pageantry,
Speaker 3: it can cost up to seventy five thousand dollars a
Speaker 3: year to be a pageant beauty queen. How much do
Speaker 3: you win? Great question? The missus World crown does not
Speaker 3: receive a monetary price. Ah and I have written here
Speaker 3: this feels like a metaphor for being a woman. Spend
Speaker 3: all your money to enter a competition. You cry, you
Speaker 3: get wait for it nothing. You can only lose, But
Speaker 3: you must compete to lose all your money. Come on,
Speaker 3: fake tan, come on, make up bikinis, himsuits, enta and tar.
Speaker 3: What will I win? Nothing? Punch in the face. What?
Speaker 3: Let me judge you outwardly? But I didn't want to enter?
Speaker 3: Well you did anyway. Neilman made it to the semi
Speaker 3: finals of missus World or missus America. I don't understand anymore.
Speaker 3: But not much further than that. But she'd already pissed
Speaker 3: some people off. Some critics said she was promoting unrealistic
Speaker 3: expectations for other postpartum women, while others got snarky that
Speaker 3: she had traveled on a plane with the two week
Speaker 3: old and was now dancing to Viva Las Vegas in
Speaker 3: a casino. All right, I think all women in beauty
Speaker 3: pageants promote unrealistic expectations of women. Yeah, and this is
Speaker 3: not where I come from in terms of when I
Speaker 3: watch parents online, when I watch parents living their lives,
Speaker 3: This is not where I come from. This is the
Speaker 3: one time I'm ever gonna say it. I don't think
Speaker 3: the two week old wanted to be at the pageant.
Speaker 3: I don't. I think the two week old just want
Speaker 3: to be with mum. Yeah, no, true, I guess you
Speaker 3: don't think. I don't think that she minded. I don't
Speaker 3: think she minded. I think she enjoyed Viva Las Vegas. Actually,
Speaker 3: Miss Hilda would have loved that. Yeah, apparently, like they
Speaker 3: all did like a communal dance to that song as
Speaker 3: part of the pageant. And I think the whole family
Speaker 3: don't know all the contestants. Oh, and I think the
Speaker 3: little baby would have had her pomp palms out being
Speaker 3: like viva. Yeah, like she'd have Really, I like the movement.
Speaker 3: I like the movement. It reminds me sound and there
Speaker 3: is my mum. Just to note on the trad wife
Speaker 3: phenomenon before we go any further, Neilman is widely considered
Speaker 3: a trad wife, which is short for traditional wife, even
Speaker 3: though in that New York Times piece that we're talking about,
Speaker 3: she said she was unfamiliar with the term. She said,
Speaker 3: I think everyone's mission is different. I find so much
Speaker 3: joy and satisfaction being with my kids. I checked my
Speaker 3: notes and that is allowed. Yes, let's just spend a
Speaker 3: moment on tradwives. You ever get in a tradwife mood?
Speaker 3: What I consider myself a trad wife? Absolutely? Did I
Speaker 3: make my daughter breakfast this morning? Yeah? I made oats.
Speaker 3: It took me four minutes, and I thought, hmm, am
Speaker 3: I nailing this? Yes? Am I a traditional wife? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Will I walk in this afternoon and yell at my husband? Yes?
Speaker 3: Because buck gender roles Yes? So have you seen the
Speaker 3: TikTok trend? That's like a single mom who works too
Speaker 3: jobs will love her kids and never start and then
Speaker 3: it's like, m that's me every time I do anything. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I wipe down the bench and I'm like, yeah, here,
Speaker 3: I am just a slave to the patriarch. It's like,
Speaker 3: you made yourself a sandwich, is what you did? I
Speaker 3: made my baby eggs to I've never felt so Hannah Nielman.
Speaker 3: I got eggs from a fridge and then I got
Speaker 3: some butter. It's almost which was from Yeah, but the
Speaker 3: eggs it's almost like they were laid by a hen
Speaker 3: in the backyard. Yeah, exactly. And I cracked them and I,
Speaker 3: what are you? Kind of swirled them. Yeah, I swirled them,
Speaker 3: put in the moon and pants and I just went
Speaker 3: that song was going on the background. I just went,
Speaker 3: I love trad wife life. What can I say? Planned
Speaker 3: to be a mother and your kids like and then
Speaker 3: she like gagged it. We said you were actually there,
Speaker 3: and we're both like, she's remembered its egg and then
Speaker 3: she just started like dry reaching and I was like,
Speaker 3: it's actually usually hard. It's like, I'm glad I'm not
Speaker 3: putting my whole identity to a trad wife because I'd
Speaker 3: be wildly disappointed pretending to be poor. Neilman lives on
Speaker 3: a farm with her husband and her eight kids, her Cowchulip,
Speaker 3: and also her vintage green stove that she bought from
Speaker 3: Greggs List Want Again, named tul Yeah. Just to go
Speaker 3: back a little bit, it's twenty eleven when Hannah marries
Speaker 3: Daniel and then they go and live in South America
Speaker 3: for Daniel's job, which we're gonna explore, and they have
Speaker 3: their two sons, but they are obsessed with farm life.
Speaker 3: They dream of living on a farm. And then when
Speaker 3: they return to the States four years later, they buy
Speaker 3: some farmland and they are set on creating a new
Speaker 3: kind of life for their family. They call it Ballerina
Speaker 3: Farm because of Hannah's previous stream of being a ballerina.
Speaker 3: Like Julia Stiles The Last Night, I feel like people
Speaker 3: who live on farms are happy. I think this is
Speaker 3: part of the appeal, is that we all wish you
Speaker 3: lived on a farm. Yeah, don't. Like David Beckham and
Speaker 3: Victoria Beckham, they appear to live on something that resembles
Speaker 3: a farm. There's people who live on farms and people
Speaker 3: who wish they lived on farms but can't afford it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also wouldn't know what to do. Nielman starts
Speaker 3: documenting their journey, and fans watch them make heaps of
Speaker 3: mistakes because obviously they have no idea what they're doing.
Speaker 3: But they do farm management and marketing courses and invest
Speaker 3: heaps of time and money into learning how to be farmers.
Speaker 3: What are they farming? So they got a bunch of cows?
Speaker 3: Sounds like that, man have one cow called You're that's
Speaker 3: the one she's closest to. It's just that's the pet.
Speaker 3: That's the pet. I think Tilip is more of a milking,
Speaker 3: squeeze squeeze cow, not killing for its meat. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: but they do have black meat. They have like what
Speaker 3: else would say a farm? Well, I think about it
Speaker 3: like all McDonald out of fine and there's like a
Speaker 3: quack quack here. We have a friend who grew up
Speaker 3: on a farm and you know, lots of cows, chickens,
Speaker 3: all of that, and one day they adopted a cow. Yeah,
Speaker 3: his name was black Joe. Yeah, because he was black,
Speaker 3: and Black Joe thought he was a thought he was
Speaker 3: a dog and he would sit on the porch. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he really went full dog. He grew afraid of cows
Speaker 3: because to a dog, cows are big and scary yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's like Joe, you're a cow. And then the
Speaker 3: thing about farm life is that Joe made a great dinner.
Speaker 3: Joe came, which none of us can judge about. No,
Speaker 3: because if you're not a vegan, which like all power
Speaker 3: to you, But if you're not, then you know, this
Speaker 3: is what we have to do in order to eat
Speaker 3: our meat. Yeah, but I just think maybe Tulip is
Speaker 3: the black Joe a Ballerina farm for now. So lots
Speaker 3: of questions start about how they could invest time and
Speaker 3: money into learning how to farm, because everyone's like, I
Speaker 3: want in teach how to teach me how to farm
Speaker 3: on TikTok? How could they afford to have all these
Speaker 3: kids live on this giant farm and make so many mistakes?
Speaker 3: That is when the Internet sleuths clocked it, the aforementioned
Speaker 3: vintage green stove. It was a clue. It has a name.
Speaker 3: It is named Agnes, the one that she bought from Craiglist.
Speaker 3: Someone thought it looked familiar, so they googled it and
Speaker 3: that particular model of stove it costs thirty thousand US dollars,
Speaker 3: might be slightly cheaper on craigslist. Not that much, sheep,
Speaker 3: see I wouldn't know how much a stove is meant
Speaker 3: to cost. It does seem exorbitant. Yeah, I reckon a stove.
Speaker 3: I reckon nice fifty kosi dollars. If I went into
Speaker 3: my friend's house and they were like, this is my stove.
Speaker 3: It cost fifty k I'd be like, whoa, it's an
Speaker 3: expensive stove. Yeah, yeah, you'd want to name it. Daniel
Speaker 3: Nielman is heir to a fortune of about four hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars, give or take a few million. Could you
Speaker 3: give or take a few million? I even thinking, so?
Speaker 3: Is he full time farm life? Yeah, so you can
Speaker 3: be full time farm life when you are getting an inheritance. Well,
Speaker 3: his dad founded five commercial airlines, which is bullshit because
Speaker 3: our dad hasn't even found one, not even Rex, not
Speaker 3: even Rex. This includes Jet Blue Airlines, which even I've
Speaker 3: heard of. Think pieces were published with a writer named
Speaker 3: Meg Conley observing so many people who do live off
Speaker 3: the land are in such a desperate state. When Ballerina
Speaker 3: Farm pretends their reality is reality, those people are erased. Basically,
Speaker 3: she argues that they're not actually living off the land
Speaker 3: even though they pretend to be. A viral TikTok video
Speaker 3: by someone with an unreadable handle said one of her
Speaker 3: gripes is that Nielman's life doesn't have the same steaks
Speaker 3: as other farmers because it isn't tied to direct financial stress.
Speaker 3: A lot of commentators took issue with the lack of transparency,
Speaker 3: arguing that they were caused playing as ordinary farm folk
Speaker 3: with their cowboy hats and their prairie dresses, but really
Speaker 3: they had a movie room all along. One thing I
Speaker 3: will say is everything I have said so far about
Speaker 3: farms and wanting to be a farmer, I'm saying all
Speaker 3: of that from the lens of oh McDonald had a
Speaker 3: farmer obviously, no, obviously, but also somebody with inexplicable wealth
Speaker 3: who has a farm. It'd be really hard to actually
Speaker 3: have to live off the land. That's not what I
Speaker 3: don't pretend, like we understand how hard it would be
Speaker 3: to live off the lane. No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: And I guess my point is, like, did Hannah Nielman
Speaker 3: pretend she was a real farmer? Okay, I will get
Speaker 3: to that comly who wrote that article before she said
Speaker 3: about Hannah Nielman, just say it. Say we come from
Speaker 3: a family with immediate resources. We are so lucky, and honey,
Speaker 3: have you been on the internet. This is why they
Speaker 3: weren't transparent, because everyone gets mad when you admit that
Speaker 3: you're filthy rich. Hmm, people get really angry. You're allowed
Speaker 3: to feel tricked or to stop watching their content, absolutely,
Speaker 3: but to say it's not fair because they don't have
Speaker 3: the same steaks is a bit weird. Welcome to inequality.
Speaker 3: It's not just a TikTok thing. Yeah, yeah, and unequal
Speaker 3: steaks exist everywhere all of the time. Yes. And something
Speaker 3: I have thought about more in my old age is
Speaker 3: I look at people and I say, you know, you're privileged,
Speaker 3: you have money, you went to private school, et cetera,
Speaker 3: et cetera. Hmm, hm, that's allowed. That's allowed. I know,
Speaker 3: I know. That kept coming up for me is that
Speaker 3: it is allowed. I will say I do not follow
Speaker 3: Nilman religiously. She pops up for me. But I read
Speaker 3: a bunch of like Reddit threads and commentary, and a
Speaker 3: lot of people said that they expressed, especially in the
Speaker 3: early days, a lot of stress about trying to sell
Speaker 3: meat and they couldn't something about a rug they couldn't afford,
Speaker 3: and their house is apparently quite simple. Although I swear
Speaker 3: I've seen a gym and they sort of present like
Speaker 3: they're living off the farm. And people have done the
Speaker 3: maths and say, at least at the beginning, that wasn't
Speaker 3: at all possible. It wouldn't have had it up. At
Speaker 3: the same time, just because somebody's family has a lot
Speaker 3: of money, you don't know what their financial arrangement is
Speaker 3: in terms of whether they are getting that money, whether
Speaker 3: they want to get that money, whether they want to
Speaker 3: live independently. I don't know. It's just very I mean,
Speaker 3: in order to take that jump, they would have needed
Speaker 3: financial backing, absolutely, and they would have needed a big
Speaker 3: pot of money. But just because you're filthy rich or
Speaker 3: like you have inheritance doesn't mean you've got to live
Speaker 3: like the Kardashians. It doesn't mean you've got to live
Speaker 3: in some ridiculous house with your private jets and your
Speaker 3: prior to bags, right. I actually kind of like they're
Speaker 3: doing this like farm life thing. I think that's not
Speaker 3: so bad, kind of like Kanye with his ranch. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess that Times takedown peace. At the end of
Speaker 3: July this year, an article was published in The Times
Speaker 3: London that, in terms of Internet discourse was one of
Speaker 3: the biggest moments of the year. Do you remember this obviously?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: The headline reads, Meet the Queen of the Tradwives and
Speaker 3: her eight children. A journalist named Megan Agnew went to
Speaker 3: Ballerina Farm for this feature on Hannah Nielman, and in
Speaker 3: my opinion, it was a hit piece. Well, he gets
Speaker 3: there and Daniel opens the door with a baby in
Speaker 3: his arms. Hannah then comes down and takes the baby
Speaker 3: from him, and Agnew writes she will not leave Nielman's
Speaker 3: chest for the four hours we're together. Weird tone, but okay,
Speaker 3: how old is the baby? The baby at that stage
Speaker 3: would have barely been six months. Yeah, that's okay. Moms
Speaker 3: are allowed told their babies. Yeah, moms are allowed to
Speaker 3: tell their babies. That's allowed. Its loud. Neilman actually says
Speaker 3: she doesn't identify as a tad wife. She says, I'm
Speaker 3: a mum, but we're paving out a path that hasn't
Speaker 3: been done before. I guess she's talking about farming. Agnew
Speaker 3: asks him out right if Daniel is the boss, and
Speaker 3: they both say no, they're co CEOs of Ballerina fum O.
Speaker 3: You see, you have a farm. Yeah, because Ballerina Fum
Speaker 3: I should have been more clear on this. They have
Speaker 3: heaps of products now, it's like a very aspirational this
Speaker 3: is the thing. Sorry, this is a business. Sorry, it's
Speaker 3: not just isn't real. She's an idea, she's a brand,
Speaker 3: she's a selling it's smelting. Not just milk from tulip.
Speaker 3: Hannah Nielman is Ballerina Farm and Ballerina Fumm is products. Okay,
Speaker 3: you can buy from Ballerina fum dot com. What products me?
Speaker 3: I believe things like butter. They put something up the
Speaker 3: other day of a new thing, like a protein powder,
Speaker 3: like they have a whole shop. Imagine like Goop or
Speaker 3: like what Megan Markle's trying to do that kind of thing,
Speaker 3: and I imagine that they're making a lot of money
Speaker 3: from it right now. So ten million followers is just
Speaker 3: this is just brand extension. Love. This is why they
Speaker 3: invited them into their house, because they were like, yes,
Speaker 3: I want to sell more beef free promo. Yes. The
Speaker 3: whole tension is that Agnew wants to get Nielman one
Speaker 3: on one, but Daniel wants to show her his farm,
Speaker 3: which is very a man on a farm. Yeah, he's like,
Speaker 3: you want a tour and she's like not really, don't
Speaker 3: give and he's like, I can show you the shed.
Speaker 3: She didn't want to see the shed. She's flown from
Speaker 3: London to Utah, which she got to Utah, then she
Speaker 3: had to drive around mountains to get to ballerina farm
Speaker 3: and Dan and he was like, you want to see
Speaker 3: a ditch and she's like, no, I don't, not really,
Speaker 3: like we've got six ditches, don't want to see it.
Speaker 3: Nilman does tell her that this farm vibe wasn't exactly
Speaker 3: the goal because she did want to be a ballerina,
Speaker 3: but she knew that when she started to have kids,
Speaker 3: life would look different. She tells the origin story and
Speaker 3: basically she mentioned to Daniel that she had to go
Speaker 3: back to Juilliard for her ballerina ring and he is like, oh, what,
Speaker 3: no way, I'm on the same flight. She didn't realize
Speaker 3: his dad owned the airline, so he could probably get
Speaker 3: in the system and do some weaseland. So he got
Speaker 3: into the seat next to her and that was their
Speaker 3: first date, which not great publicity for jet Blue because honey,
Speaker 3: how did you get those details about someone's seat number?
Speaker 3: Feels like a massive privacy concern. I don't want to
Speaker 3: know that that's how it works, that he can just
Speaker 3: log on and be like, where's Hannah sitting? Sir, not
Speaker 3: your business? And who else was someone was booted off
Speaker 3: a fly Yeah, yeah, so that he could get in
Speaker 3: next to Hannah and have his first date. I hope
Speaker 3: they got a flight credit and free accommodation. I hope
Speaker 3: she got upgraded. Yeah me too, me too. If he
Speaker 3: sat next to an economy, it's like, why aren't we
Speaker 3: sitting up the front. They hit it off. He was
Speaker 3: keen to get married, to have babies, and all of
Speaker 3: that happened very quickly. So the first few years were
Speaker 3: hard because she gave up her dream of being a ballerina,
Speaker 3: and he gave up his career ambitions. Agnew writes, I
Speaker 3: look out at the vastness and don't totally agree. Daniel
Speaker 3: wanted to live in the Great Western wilds, so they did.
Speaker 3: He wanted to farm, so they do. He likes date
Speaker 3: nights once a week, so they go. He didn't want
Speaker 3: nanny's in the house, so there aren't any. The only
Speaker 3: space earmarked to Benielman's own a small barn. She wanted
Speaker 3: to convert into a ballet studio ended up becoming the kids' schoolroom. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's an astute observation. Yeah, beautiful paragraph, beautifully written. Patriarchy, triarchy,
Speaker 3: And I think so many women would say, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: what happens. Yeah, that's what happens when you have kids.
Speaker 3: Is it fair?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Is it Hannah's fault? No? And I think what we
Speaker 3: need to do is unpack the word choice. What is
Speaker 3: a choice? Those choices that she made. Did she know
Speaker 3: that that was gonna happen once she had kids? Is
Speaker 3: she happy? Do we take her words at face value?
Speaker 3: And a lot of people have a plan for their
Speaker 3: life that doesn't pan out. Actually, pretty much everybody has
Speaker 3: an idea. I don't want it to be a ballerina,
Speaker 3: y me. Okay, I still want to be a arena.
Speaker 3: I can't be because I've never done a ballet class.
Speaker 3: I stretch often, and I can't nearly do the splits.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: I also I don't have the ankles for it. I've
Speaker 3: got the out of their ankles of an elephant. I
Speaker 3: would have loved to be. My husband tells me that,
Speaker 3: which also not one of my goals to have a husband.
Speaker 3: That tells me that I have the ankles of an elephant.
Speaker 3: And if Agnew was in my house, she'd say, watch
Speaker 3: out for him, and I'd say, I think he's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he's fine, and he's right. Look at them,
Speaker 3: Look at them. They're horrible. They're not going to be
Speaker 3: the ankles of ballerina. No I would. When I break
Speaker 3: my leg, I went, I can't. I can't be a ballerina.
Speaker 3: Now yeah was I thirty? Yeah, days it gone gone.
Speaker 3: I'd never done a class. But sometimes our dreams are
Speaker 3: dashed by injury times. I want to be an actress
Speaker 3: or a singer yep. And I think there's something about
Speaker 3: having kids that makes you go ooh, maybe that won't
Speaker 3: come true. That ship has sailed, and something about being
Speaker 3: nearly thirty four and not being able to sing. I
Speaker 3: relate to all of this anyway. Daniel gets excited and
Speaker 3: he keeps showing her the ditches, which is boring for everyone.
Speaker 3: What are the ditches? The ditches like farm ditches. I
Speaker 3: imagine them to be like trenches, like big holes of dirt.
Speaker 3: For why. I guess, like I don't know what irrigation means,
Speaker 3: but that like you know, on farms. How they need
Speaker 3: to like put in poles. Yeah. This is the thing
Speaker 3: about people who understand live on acres. They take you
Speaker 3: around and they point to things and they say things,
Speaker 3: and you just go that technology doesn't exist. I went
Speaker 3: our friend who works on the farm. I went to
Speaker 3: her hometown. Once she pointed out, I said, why is
Speaker 3: that green? They have a green lawn. No one else
Speaker 3: has a green lawnch She said something about it being
Speaker 3: watered underneath. I was like, that's just sci fi shit.
Speaker 3: So I think he's doing that from underneath in his ditches,
Speaker 3: which is exciting for him. You know what, we never
Speaker 3: find out, Not once in this article does she say
Speaker 3: what's in the ditches? Maybe he's taking around I imagine
Speaker 3: in a golf buggy, although that's not what she says,
Speaker 3: because there's not enough attention paid to that. What if
Speaker 3: there are bodies, this is where I bury the body.
Speaker 3: And it's like, that's the story Agnew, not the ballet studio.
Speaker 3: That didn't end up being what's in the ditches because
Speaker 3: none of us understand how farms were. They get back
Speaker 3: to the house and Agnew is like, ugh, the kids
Speaker 3: are clattering near my tape recorder. And one is running
Speaker 3: around with a chicken, like a roast chicken, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: have you met kids, there's always one with a chicken,
Speaker 3: and they're always running around your tape recorder. Now, if
Speaker 3: you have something valuable and precious, they're like this this one.
Speaker 3: That's what they're like. This one. A few telling things.
Speaker 3: Daniel says Hannah gets so exhausted that sometimes she doesn't
Speaker 3: get out of bed for a week, which is the
Speaker 3: most aspirational thing I've ever heard. How you're not getting
Speaker 3: out of a bit of a week. Yeah, wait, how
Speaker 3: does she not get out of bed for a week?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 3: If she's not allowed to have a nanny and there's
Speaker 3: eight kids, I'm confused. I don't know if he was exaggerating.
Speaker 3: Do they have family help? They are homeschooled like on
Speaker 3: the thing, like by a teacher that comes in, But
Speaker 3: I think the six month old is homeschooled. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: I don't really understand. Also, she's had her babies without
Speaker 3: pain relief. She says she's never liked taking it, except
Speaker 3: one time Daniel step out of the room when she
Speaker 3: was giving birth to little Martha. She was one of
Speaker 3: the few babies that she had in hospital and she
Speaker 3: had an epidural. She says it was great. This was
Speaker 3: viewed by a lot of people as a red flag
Speaker 3: because she kind of only said it when Daniel wasn't listening,
Speaker 3: and it was like Daniel was kind of not there
Speaker 3: when she got the epidural, and yeah, did kind of
Speaker 3: look like a red flag.
Speaker 5: Ugh.
Speaker 3: Ugh, This is how Agnew closes the article. This is
Speaker 3: a quote. I can't, it seems, get an answer out
Speaker 3: of Nielman without her being corrected, interrupted, or answered for
Speaker 3: by either her husband or a child. Usually I am
Speaker 3: doing battle with steely Hollywood publicists today. I am up
Speaker 3: against an army of toddlers who all want their mum,
Speaker 3: and a husband who thinks he knows better may leave
Speaker 3: the toddlers alone. Yeah. I remember being a kid, and
Speaker 3: I cannot tell you how much I would have fucking
Speaker 3: hated you in my house. Yeah. A reporter comes in
Speaker 3: with a tape recorder and I want some raised chicken. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: from you're talking to my mom. Yeah, I need to
Speaker 3: be in her lap. I need Mom needs me to
Speaker 3: suck on her nose, yes, and to whisper in her
Speaker 3: ear something nonsensical. I don't need that I don't need
Speaker 3: what I am asking for, but I will suggest we
Speaker 3: get McDonald's now because I find your presence intrusive. Right,
Speaker 3: I'm not feeling safe with that said, I do want
Speaker 3: to say this journalist, Megan Agnew, was the one who
Speaker 3: was there, and if she picked up on certain vibes,
Speaker 3: I am always going to advocate for her right to
Speaker 3: share those vibes. You don't think that from the first sentence,
Speaker 3: From the first I got there and Daniel was holding
Speaker 3: the baby, and then he handed Hannah the baby and
Speaker 3: she didn't put the baby four hours. She doesn't like him,
Speaker 3: just like Daniel like him. I don't think she liked
Speaker 3: Daniel even before she got there. I think that she
Speaker 3: went all the way to Utah with a preconceived idea
Speaker 3: of the story that she was going to get. She
Speaker 3: had some judgment. She doesn't like the toddlers. You don't
Speaker 3: know that. You don't know that. I had a feeling
Speaker 3: you're reading it as though she wrote it in in
Speaker 3: real time. But it's the snarkiness. I think that there
Speaker 3: are certain sentences in the way, like the toddler thing,
Speaker 3: you irritated by their sticky chicken fingers. Yeah, yeah, like,
Speaker 3: I totally get that, but there are real points where like,
Speaker 3: for example, the epgural thing brilliant, let it stand. But
Speaker 3: my whole reading of it was if you want to
Speaker 3: sit down with Nielman and have a really a one
Speaker 3: on one conversation, because that what was agreed upon, you
Speaker 3: need to advocate harder for that, because in all of it,
Speaker 3: I couldn't work out when she said, hey, can I
Speaker 3: have some time just us? I know what's happened. Daniel
Speaker 3: thought she wanted to see Ballerina Farm. She thought Ballerina
Speaker 3: fum was Hannah, Yeah, okay, And Daniel was like, I'm
Speaker 3: going to show you the ditches and she was like,
Speaker 3: that's not what I meant by Ballerina. He's like, Ballerina
Speaker 3: Farm is an idea, yeah, and it's a it's like
Speaker 3: an ecosystem, and it includes the children, and it includes me,
Speaker 3: and it includes Hannah and it includes the ditch. Do
Speaker 3: you want to see the barn? Yeah? And she's like,
Speaker 3: I thought Ballerina Farm was just Hannah. Yeah. I just
Speaker 3: wanted to speak to the other thing is I think
Speaker 3: Megan was jet lagged. She was really tired, and she
Speaker 3: turned up and she's like hmm, I wanted gossip, yeah
Speaker 3: from this woman, and I was not, and there are
Speaker 3: too many around. She even she makes a comment about
Speaker 3: how Hannah calls them kiddos. She like puts it in
Speaker 3: quotation marks, as though it's like weird, like I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go and feed the kiddos, or she says something like that,
Speaker 3: and I just went let her call them kiddos, just
Speaker 3: gotta Sometimes you read interviews like that, you can see
Speaker 3: how a person could watch anything unfold and put a
Speaker 3: certain lens under the lens on it. Yeah, and even
Speaker 3: the headline which was the Queen of the trad Wives,
Speaker 3: and I understand how she can be viewed as that.
Speaker 3: In the interview, Hannah says, I don't identify as a
Speaker 3: trad wife, so that in itself is telling. So there
Speaker 3: were two camps that came out after this Times piece
Speaker 3: was released. The first said this woman is being manipula
Speaker 3: and controlled by this Daniel character with his ditches and
Speaker 3: his airline weasling. The other camp thought agnew went in
Speaker 3: there with an agenda and if she wanted to speak
Speaker 3: to Nielman, then ask Newlman if they can talk in
Speaker 3: one of her barns or whatever if Neelman wants to
Speaker 3: have three hundred babies and make sour dough in her
Speaker 3: pot and cook chickens in her thirty thousand dollars stove,
Speaker 3: which has a bit of ballet on insta, I personally
Speaker 3: think absolutely fine, Me too, more ballet if anything? Yeah,
Speaker 3: Nielman responded with a TikTok video. Here's what she said.
Speaker 5: A couple of weeks ago, we had a reporter come
Speaker 5: into her home to learn more about our family and business.
Speaker 5: We thought the interview went really well, very similar to
Speaker 5: the dozens of interviews we had done in recent memory.
Speaker 5: We were taken back, however, when we saw the printed
Speaker 5: article which sharked us and sharked the world by being
Speaker 5: an attack on our family and my marriage, portraying me
Speaker 5: as oppressed with my husband being the corporate This couldn't
Speaker 5: be further from the truth. Nothing we said in the
Speaker 5: interview implied this conclusion, which leads me to believe the
Speaker 5: angle taken was predetermined. For Daniel and I. Our priority
Speaker 5: in life is God and family. Everything else comes second.
Speaker 5: The greatest day of my life was when Daniel and
Speaker 5: I were married thirteen years ago. Together, we have built
Speaker 5: a business from scratch. We've brought eight children into this
Speaker 5: world and have prioritized our marriage all along the way.
Speaker 3: You know what the weirdest thing is about that video?
Speaker 3: At the bottom of it, it says participating in this
Speaker 3: activity could result in you or others getting hurt. Is
Speaker 3: that to do with the drink she's making she's drinking?
Speaker 3: What looks like I thought, is that about participating in
Speaker 3: a Times interview? Yeah, being married to Daniel, living on
Speaker 3: a farm, on a farm, having a operating machinery, Because
Speaker 3: I think in one bit she's probably operating machinery. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's the kind of message you get when you
Speaker 3: see two people doing like UFC fighting or something. No,
Speaker 3: I think it's the drink. Why is it black? Why
Speaker 3: is it dark? Lastly, the birthday present. Around the same
Speaker 3: time as a Times piece, it was Neilman's birthday. She
Speaker 3: posted a video of Daniel presenting her with her gift
Speaker 3: and she says, I'm hoping they're tickets to Greece. Have
Speaker 3: you seen this video? No Grease the Country or Grease
Speaker 3: musical Grease the Country. I'm sweetie same, we all want
Speaker 3: to get this to Grease for birthday. Yeah, Yeah, she's
Speaker 3: unwrapping the book. How do you go to Greece with
Speaker 3: that many kill? Do you take slum?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Well, I think that they can get a nanny, Like
Speaker 3: they get a nanny for like babysitting or whatever, like
Speaker 3: if they're out of the house. Yeah, Okay. She's unwrapping
Speaker 3: the box and she keeps talking about Grease the country,
Speaker 3: and Daniel just waits for her to see because he
Speaker 3: knows it's good the present, right and that. So when
Speaker 3: she pulls out an egg apron, No, it's got separate
Speaker 3: compartments for all the eggs, Like it's got like twelve
Speaker 3: little pockets so that you can wear it and it
Speaker 3: helps you pick the eggs and I guess not crack them.
Speaker 5: There's my birthday present from Daniel.
Speaker 1: Tickets to Grease, so plain tickets.
Speaker 3: A hat I can wearing Grease.
Speaker 1: That hat.
Speaker 3: Oh my egg.
Speaker 2: Appri great they didn't gather eggs.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's really cutely that's the most.
Speaker 3: Then he says you're welcome, thanks Benny, And in my opinion,
Speaker 3: she's pissed because no one wants an egg apron and
Speaker 3: your fucking father owns fucking every fucking airline. Why aren't
Speaker 3: we going to fucking grease every farking weekend. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't want an egg apron. I want an egg apron.
Speaker 3: There's a kid, some son who's just kind of dawdling
Speaker 3: around watching He knows his dad fucked up, and just
Speaker 3: with the internet already seeing her as an egg machine
Speaker 3: with eight babies, the egg apron probably wasn't ideal for
Speaker 3: the narrative. Why did they post it? Every now and
Speaker 3: then you see something like this. I see the film
Speaker 3: a film at fine, but then you watch it back
Speaker 3: and you go it doesn't sit well. I see videos
Speaker 3: all the time of influencers and they'll go to film
Speaker 3: their kid and the kid looks at them and goes,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be a camera and they boast it,
Speaker 3: and you think, I'm like, okay, I know there was
Speaker 3: a learning moment during filming there, just don't post it.
Speaker 3: This didn't look good. So the thing that was really
Speaker 3: awkward was that she goes egg apron and she puts
Speaker 3: it on and she has this little dance and then
Speaker 3: he goes you're welcome, as in like say thank you
Speaker 3: for the egg apron, and I'm like, where are the tickets? Degreed,
Speaker 3: where are the tickets degree as the tickets degrees, does
Speaker 3: she check the pockets because all the tickets actually does.
Speaker 3: She puts them in to be like egg apron just
Speaker 3: because there's a little like hole in it for eggs
Speaker 3: and their tickets for all all of us to grease
Speaker 3: in all the separate pockets. Is that the idea? Well?
Speaker 3: Ellie Goulding commented Ellie Goulding, the singer, and she wrote
Speaker 3: take her to grease please, And I echo that. I
Speaker 3: like that because it's not saying you're abusive, it's just saying,
Speaker 3: get the woman some tickets. Degree. Yeah, it's saying I,
Speaker 3: as an observer, know what she wanted. There's no other present,
Speaker 3: there's no other gift. We have birthday coming up, what
Speaker 3: three months? Tickets to grease? Yeah? Two please? Or like
Speaker 3: my baby can come, that's fine, but I want tickets
Speaker 3: to grease Claire? In what ways do you think an
Speaker 3: egg aprin is a shit gift? An apron should never
Speaker 3: ever be a gift unless you have been to Rome
Speaker 3: and it is one of those naked statue aprons that
Speaker 3: you get for a man. It's for you, No, you
Speaker 3: know he's gonna really like it. That's actually a good point,
Speaker 3: because that is a good gift that's got like and
Speaker 3: put it on when his friends come over. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: the first time that's say it. And I'm like, they
Speaker 3: have been selling these in Italy. Yeah, surely fifty years.
Speaker 3: Everyone I've ever known has bought them. I reckon they
Speaker 3: were doing in ancient times. Yeah. You know what else
Speaker 3: you get in? You get in a little box of
Speaker 3: shorts with Penis, David stash of David whatever Penis. That's
Speaker 3: when it's OK, that's fine. My other problem with the
Speaker 3: apron is this Hannah definitely already has one. She definitely
Speaker 3: already has an egg apron. It also wasn't wrapped. It
Speaker 3: came in like Amazon packaging, and it was really really
Speaker 3: hard to open. I also think that again know nothing
Speaker 3: about farming bucket. Yeah, I see people on my Insta.
Speaker 3: I think a little basket and egg basket does a treat.
Speaker 3: I don't see them cracking. I think that there is
Speaker 3: an inverse relationship between a person's wealth and their propensity
Speaker 3: to give a good gift. Yet, yeah, absolutely, I think
Speaker 3: that they lose the value and excitement and gifts because
Speaker 3: it's like, I can have everything, so why worry on
Speaker 3: a birthday, and it's like, because birthdays at the time
Speaker 3: for tickets. Degree, Yeah, yeah, it is time for charges
Speaker 3: and sentences. I'm gonna go first because my charge. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I'm pissed about the apron but that's Daniel's crime. And
Speaker 3: as the Times peace firmly established, no one gives a
Speaker 3: shit about Daniel. Okay, okay, but but he is part
Speaker 3: of ballerina fump. He is, he is, but there was
Speaker 3: confusion about the definition of ballerina.
Speaker 1: Hump.
Speaker 3: My other charge is not enough ballet. I really like
Speaker 3: watching ballet, and she is very goodsh at the times
Speaker 3: that I see her do a little dance and often
Speaker 3: she'll just do a little what I call a leg.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, is she flexible? Yes, it was super flexible,
Speaker 3: just just like a trick. And you know how I
Speaker 3: feel about dancers doing tricks, and how I feel about
Speaker 3: watching dancing with not enough tricks where they just do moves,
Speaker 3: because I think I could just do moves, and it's like, hmm,
Speaker 3: I do I know how good you are if you're
Speaker 3: not doing tricks. Yes, I need you to do a
Speaker 3: trick every three moves. Yeah, moves should only connect the tricks.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, This is what I thought about Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Enough trick, they're split at the end, great trick, the
Speaker 3: whole routine underwhelming. I would say, cart will if you
Speaker 3: can do a flip, do a flip every dance routine.
Speaker 3: I will never ever not be impressed by that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think ballerinas do flips, but I think that
Speaker 3: she could do the splits more. I guess being rich
Speaker 3: is also a charge, specifically not wearing a T shirt
Speaker 3: that says I'm married into generational wealth or alternatively, my
Speaker 3: father in law is worth four hundred million dollars thereabouts,
Speaker 3: but the Internet keeps calling him a billionaire, which is
Speaker 3: not the same thing, but I guess in terms of
Speaker 3: vibe wise it is. She doesn't start every video with
Speaker 3: Daniel's dad owns literally every aeroplane look up in the sky.
Speaker 3: Yeah that one, that one too, Wait, not that one
Speaker 3: because it's United mmmmm, which is criminal. I guess you
Speaker 3: should always state because people feel misled. My sentence very simple,
Speaker 3: very very simple. I need Hannah Nielman not just to
Speaker 3: go to grease, but to go to micanos. Oh, and
Speaker 3: I see her dancing on a table wearing a bikini,
Speaker 3: top and the egg apron, just the ape apron, and
Speaker 3: in each egg thing is a shot. Yeah, except for
Speaker 3: the bottom level because it's like a two tiered thing.
Speaker 3: All euros. Yeah you know those things. Yeah, the chips
Speaker 3: in them. Yep, yep, yep. So how you say it
Speaker 3: like you're like chicken and great kebab and like zekei. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like a pitter. Yeah. So she's got like six pitters,
Speaker 3: she's got like twelve shots. She's got her egg apron.
Speaker 3: She's wearing that helmet that you wear in that bar
Speaker 3: and where they hit you on the head and give
Speaker 3: you like a concussion. She's doing that. And then at
Speaker 3: the end, I don't even know if they do this,
Speaker 3: but like you know how sometimes you just set a
Speaker 3: shot of light. She's throw their apron in it, just
Speaker 3: bark the apron. I'm in grease. Daniel's not they he's
Speaker 3: looking after the kids. Tell you that. And you know
Speaker 3: what she's doing making up for the epidurals. Yeah, twelve days,
Speaker 3: twelve epy durals. Just bang bang, I feel nothing. I
Speaker 3: feel nothing, just like make up for lost time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: love that. Just as a bit of an addendum. Amendum
Speaker 3: addendum to yours. I think that on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook,
Speaker 3: wherever the social media social media is. I think people
Speaker 3: should have your user name and then in brackets your
Speaker 3: wealth status. So Ballerina Farm in brackets rich yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeay, yep.
Speaker 3: It's like a tick verification just so rich rich person,
Speaker 3: which is fine. Just look at it through that line.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, these are rich people. You know how we
Speaker 3: had that warning before about like repeating this could cause
Speaker 3: damage or something like that. These people are rich, They're
Speaker 3: not like you. Yeah, you can't afford this. Don't quit
Speaker 3: your job. Don't quit your job by a farm with
Speaker 3: a little pet count named Julette. Don't don't. It will
Speaker 3: not look like this. You'll end up in financial room.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna have eating. Your kids are gonna get
Speaker 3: scurvy because you can't feed them. You don't know at
Speaker 3: homeschool training in your roof. Don't do it. So my
Speaker 3: charge and center is slightly different. I have feelings towards Daniel. Okay,
Speaker 3: you know Daniel's not on trial. Yes he is, because
Speaker 3: Daniel is part of Ballerina Farm. I think that I
Speaker 3: definitionally didn't define my scope well enough in this particular episode. No,
Speaker 3: And something that I've learned throughout this episode is that
Speaker 3: I think these personalities. You see somebody on social media
Speaker 3: and you think it's them, but they are a business.
Speaker 3: What and sometimes I'm gonna sell your life very controlled
Speaker 3: by Daniel. Wow. Yeah that should also be a little
Speaker 3: mini thing at the bottom of morning, just a little
Speaker 3: asterix controlled by Daniel. Yeah, edited by Daniel. Yeah, this
Speaker 3: was written by Daniel. Everything was a little bit informed
Speaker 3: by him. So I get weird vibes off Daniel, I do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I get Megan Agnew was trying to tell us something. Yep.
Speaker 3: And so your charge is Daniel. Yeah, and I think, look,
Speaker 3: you know, it's one interview and you think, okay, maybe
Speaker 3: she picked up on some stuff that wasn't there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but then the apron happened. Yeah, yeah, unfortunate and that
Speaker 3: confirmed everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My sentence is Ballerina Farm needs to work on Daniel's
Speaker 3: branding a brand within a brand. He doesn't pull his
Speaker 3: weight in that way like in a TikTok way. I
Speaker 3: feel as though he could do more ballet. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's like she's got ballet, she's got
Speaker 3: a thing. Yeah, she's single handedly growing this business. So
Speaker 3: she does a PR marketing side and he does I
Speaker 3: don't know, the business stuff, something like more of the
Speaker 3: land work or whatever they do kind of fifty to fifty. Okay,
Speaker 3: Well I'm gonna need more Daniel content. Yeah right, because
Speaker 3: your reputation isn't great. Yeah yeah. And to build that
Speaker 3: back up and to make sure that you're not pulling
Speaker 3: Ballerina Farm down, you need to establish who is Daniel? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What can he do? What can he do? What are
Speaker 3: his interests? What are his hobbies? Yeah? So I want
Speaker 3: a farm too. I brought to you by Daniel What's
Speaker 3: in thee in the Ditch? What's in the Ditch with
Speaker 3: Daniel Content series It's easy do an interview with two one,
Speaker 3: Part two, Part three. I want Tulip's journey from friendly
Speaker 3: cow to children's burger. Yes, I want Daniel wearing the
Speaker 3: apron and picking the eggs. Yeah yeah, I don't think
Speaker 3: you pick eggs. No, they don't grund trees. No. You
Speaker 3: know know what I was going to say is I
Speaker 3: was going to say they fall out of cows, and
Speaker 3: they don't. They fall out a chicken chickens. Okay, what
Speaker 3: he needs to do also another content series. I think
Speaker 3: he needs to do a content series. It's like surprises
Speaker 3: for Hannah because I need to appear to be a
Speaker 3: better husband. Yeah, let's convert the children's classroom into that
Speaker 3: ballet studio. Yeah, I think that'd be noice. I'd like
Speaker 3: it on tiktop. Do the children need a classroom?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. They can learn from the land. Do you
Speaker 3: want to know what else? Say? Sell because I've just
Speaker 3: I've finally had it. Well. Do you want a special
Speaker 3: box of beef jerky that's going to cost you two
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five dollars? Jesse Jesse Daniel taking the piss? No,
Speaker 3: what I think it's chilip expense. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 3: really special. It's Chilip in the jerky limited edition. You
Speaker 3: know that protein powder I mentioned one hundred and one dollars.
Speaker 3: Do you want a sour dough kit that's going to
Speaker 3: set you back one hundred and thirty five? It's expensive?
Speaker 3: Is really price point? Do you want some salt for
Speaker 3: twenty three dollars Jesus my goodness? Or maybe you want
Speaker 3: some enamel dish soap for thirty four dollars. We do
Speaker 3: have an aprint it's not the egg apron, but Hannah's
Speaker 3: wearing it and it looks like the apron and it's
Speaker 3: thirty seven dollars. It's not good for eggs. Very very odd.
Speaker 3: I have so much stuff. Okay, before we go, you
Speaker 3: have a lazy girl story I do. This is from Ali.
Speaker 3: I'm a single mother to a sixteen month old. He
Speaker 3: was donor conceived. The logistics of that isn't lazy. No,
Speaker 3: I actually think that that donor conceived if in fact
Speaker 3: falling pregnant at all.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It actually involves you doing a thing and then your
Speaker 3: body doing a thing without you even thinking about it,
Speaker 3: and it keeps doing it. Yeah. Yeah, But I just
Speaker 3: open my linen covered and noticed I still have the
Speaker 3: sharps containers from all three rounds I've moved house, but
Speaker 3: taking them to wherever they go seems a lot. I
Speaker 3: would also feel like I had to explain it, and
Speaker 3: that's just too much. I think they'll just stay in
Speaker 3: the back of the closet. This is very an allegory
Speaker 3: for things that are unclear. How you do a disposed
Speaker 3: like come oil, don't put it down the sink, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I won't, and then I just leave it
Speaker 3: next to the sink for six months. All like batteries,
Speaker 3: you're not meant to put that, You're meant to put
Speaker 3: them in the bin, but it's like, hmm, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: need a good reason why. Or like glass when you
Speaker 3: smash a glass and you're like baffled, baffled, baffled as
Speaker 3: to what to do with that? Yeah, bury it in
Speaker 3: your garden. Yeah, I don't know what you do with
Speaker 3: your sharps. And then a lot of who buys a
Speaker 3: sharp's disposal box? And from where I take it to
Speaker 3: the local shopping center or something, Yeah, because a lot
Speaker 3: of those places have a sharps. But can you throw
Speaker 3: like all your sharp feels like you're taking advantage? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And who do you ask? And it's always a lot
Speaker 3: when you have something quite confronting on you that you're
Speaker 3: asking about. Yeah. For example, I reise a shit sample
Speaker 3: to the Pooh sample. Where would I hypothetically leave a
Speaker 3: Pooh sample? Is it in your hand right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Can I give it to you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 3: Should I just leave it in the letter box? Please
Speaker 3: don't leave it the letter box. I'll just leave it
Speaker 3: here on the counter. Everybody in the way rooms is
Speaker 3: watching and you always try and hide it. Why is
Speaker 3: it clear? It doesn't have to be clear. I feel
Speaker 3: very that about the sharps containers. In case you didn't
Speaker 3: believe us when we said we were giving away a
Speaker 3: trip to Turkey, our winner, Amy has sent in a
Speaker 3: voice memo about her trip because, in not very lazy
Speaker 3: Girld fashion, she's already been. I love the Efficiency high Team.
Speaker 4: This is Amy, the winner of the Highlights of Turkey competition.
Speaker 4: We have been and gone on the trip and I'm
Speaker 4: still feeling so emotional over how life changing it was.
Speaker 4: We soaked up every single moment from the huge range
Speaker 4: of experiences across the eight days, from exploring Istanbul and
Speaker 4: Gallipoli and ancient cities and seeing sue turtles swim right
Speaker 4: ya al ofa Cruz boat. Amongst all the highlights, it
Speaker 4: was the little things that meant the most to us,
Speaker 4: things only a guided tour could really bring, like eating
Speaker 4: at authentic restaurants in back alleys and building bonds with
Speaker 4: other TOOL members. We couldn't believe how easy it was
Speaker 4: to the trip. From the day the competition was drawn,
Speaker 4: we were on a plane within.
Speaker 3: Just three weeks.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Amy from Explore Worldwide and Tammy, our
Speaker 4: travel agent. Turkey has never been on our radar, especially
Speaker 4: at this stage in our lives, but I can't brag
Speaker 4: about it enough. And if you've always thought that tours
Speaker 4: went for you, give it a go. Explore Worldwide with fabulous,
Speaker 4: no fast, no stress, but a whole lot of fun
Speaker 4: and adventure. We are forever thankful.
Speaker 3: Amy, We are so glad that you had a nice time.
Speaker 3: If you want the chance to win prizes without having
Speaker 3: to lift a finger, subscribe to Mama Maya via the
Speaker 3: link in our show notes and you'll be entered into
Speaker 3: all current and future Lazy Girl give boays, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for joining us on this episode of Canceled.
Speaker 3: The producer of Canceled is Kimberly Bradish, with audio production
Speaker 3: by Leah porge'es, and we will be back next week.
Speaker 3: Bye bye.
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