1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So much you're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,584 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,624 --> 00:00:28,824 Speaker 2: to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 5 00:00:28,944 --> 00:00:31,544 Speaker 1: I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Cassena lu Keitt and. 6 00:00:31,664 --> 00:00:33,624 Speaker 2: Coming up on the show today. Thank god, I'm backing 7 00:00:33,704 --> 00:00:35,864 Speaker 2: off my deathbed because as I missed a few shows 8 00:00:35,944 --> 00:00:38,704 Speaker 2: last week because there's been a lot of gossip and 9 00:00:38,984 --> 00:00:41,904 Speaker 2: intrigue over the weekend from the celebrity world. We're going 10 00:00:41,984 --> 00:00:45,064 Speaker 2: to be talking about two famous movie stars and TV 11 00:00:45,184 --> 00:00:47,424 Speaker 2: stars who had a bit of a fake few that 12 00:00:47,504 --> 00:00:50,304 Speaker 2: didn't land the way they wanted. Plus a spice girl 13 00:00:50,344 --> 00:00:52,264 Speaker 2: got married and there was a lot of drama around that. 14 00:00:52,784 --> 00:00:54,864 Speaker 1: Yes, but first we are going to give you a 15 00:00:54,864 --> 00:00:58,224 Speaker 1: little bit of an update on Orlando Bloom and Katie Perry. 16 00:00:58,264 --> 00:01:03,144 Speaker 1: They have officially confirmed their split. Now, there's been a 17 00:01:03,184 --> 00:01:07,384 Speaker 1: lot of speculation around these four months, basically since kind 18 00:01:07,424 --> 00:01:10,904 Speaker 1: of April. They've kind of started speculating, but now a 19 00:01:10,984 --> 00:01:14,424 Speaker 1: representative for the two has come out and actually confirmed 20 00:01:14,424 --> 00:01:19,584 Speaker 1: the split. So this statement reads, Orlando and Katie have 21 00:01:19,624 --> 00:01:22,544 Speaker 1: been shifting their relationship over the past many months to 22 00:01:22,624 --> 00:01:25,264 Speaker 1: focus on co parenting. They will continue to be seen 23 00:01:25,304 --> 00:01:27,704 Speaker 1: together as a family as their shared priority is and 24 00:01:27,784 --> 00:01:30,984 Speaker 1: always will be raising their daughter with love, stability, and 25 00:01:31,104 --> 00:01:35,904 Speaker 1: mutual respect. So this statement kind of reminds me a 26 00:01:35,944 --> 00:01:41,144 Speaker 1: lot of the very very famous Gwyneth Paltrow Chris Martin 27 00:01:41,264 --> 00:01:45,144 Speaker 1: Conscious and Coupling back in twenty fourteen. That was like 28 00:01:45,304 --> 00:01:46,464 Speaker 1: eleven years ago now. 29 00:01:46,424 --> 00:01:48,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're still talking about and Gwenda still gets 30 00:01:48,424 --> 00:01:50,104 Speaker 2: asked about all the time, and she's always really big 31 00:01:50,104 --> 00:01:51,904 Speaker 2: on saying like they didn't come up with it. It 32 00:01:51,984 --> 00:01:55,064 Speaker 2: was like a relationship professional author, like someone who I 33 00:01:55,064 --> 00:01:56,704 Speaker 2: feel bad that she doesn't get her credit for this 34 00:01:56,744 --> 00:01:59,064 Speaker 2: phrase that we all use. But they co opt into 35 00:01:59,104 --> 00:02:01,744 Speaker 2: their statement and it almost became a bigger story than 36 00:02:01,744 --> 00:02:02,904 Speaker 2: the end of their relationship. 37 00:02:02,944 --> 00:02:06,904 Speaker 1: It's just an interesting way to talk about a relationship breakdown, 38 00:02:07,264 --> 00:02:11,704 Speaker 1: because in any other circumstance, every normal person doesn't have 39 00:02:11,744 --> 00:02:15,504 Speaker 1: to release a statement about their relationship ending. They just 40 00:02:16,064 --> 00:02:18,024 Speaker 1: drop off the face of an Instagram. 41 00:02:18,064 --> 00:02:18,264 Speaker 2: You know. 42 00:02:18,504 --> 00:02:20,664 Speaker 1: It's a weird thing to have to do as a 43 00:02:20,704 --> 00:02:23,744 Speaker 1: public figure, Yeah, is to release a statement about your 44 00:02:23,744 --> 00:02:26,544 Speaker 1: relationship ending. So we understand that and I think the 45 00:02:26,624 --> 00:02:29,624 Speaker 1: whole the relationships and it becomes a bit tired. So 46 00:02:30,344 --> 00:02:34,984 Speaker 1: this one here shifting their relationship the past many months 47 00:02:34,984 --> 00:02:38,864 Speaker 1: to focus on co parenting. So it's like they've broken up, 48 00:02:38,864 --> 00:02:43,064 Speaker 1: but they're just shifting. It's an interesting turn of phrase. 49 00:02:43,664 --> 00:02:46,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very telling not using the word breakup because 50 00:02:46,664 --> 00:02:49,104 Speaker 2: I guess like they don't want any kind of negative 51 00:02:49,104 --> 00:02:52,504 Speaker 2: connotation around it, and shifting is such a it's interesting. 52 00:02:52,544 --> 00:02:55,264 Speaker 2: It's a very gentle word. They've been like, it's not 53 00:02:55,344 --> 00:02:57,344 Speaker 2: that they've been in this kind of loving place together 54 00:02:57,424 --> 00:03:00,624 Speaker 2: and they've shifted all of their love into a different area. 55 00:03:01,024 --> 00:03:02,824 Speaker 2: And so I think they're trying to take the sting 56 00:03:02,904 --> 00:03:05,384 Speaker 2: out of all the breakup press because there has been 57 00:03:05,384 --> 00:03:07,544 Speaker 2: so much. We've been talking about it for weeks. Outlets 58 00:03:07,544 --> 00:03:09,904 Speaker 2: have been reporting on it, and it was all very 59 00:03:09,944 --> 00:03:13,064 Speaker 2: negative towards Katy Perry, which I find very unfair. That 60 00:03:13,224 --> 00:03:15,664 Speaker 2: he had had the last straw with her, antics that 61 00:03:15,744 --> 00:03:17,664 Speaker 2: he had got the ick from her and all this. 62 00:03:17,784 --> 00:03:18,824 Speaker 2: It was very hating on her. 63 00:03:19,064 --> 00:03:21,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I I'm not a massive fan of 64 00:03:21,464 --> 00:03:22,344 Speaker 1: Katy Perry's music. 65 00:03:22,464 --> 00:03:24,584 Speaker 2: Oh I always love Katy Perry was. 66 00:03:24,864 --> 00:03:28,344 Speaker 1: Very confused by their relationship when they first got together 67 00:03:28,424 --> 00:03:29,144 Speaker 1: like ten years ago. 68 00:03:29,224 --> 00:03:31,904 Speaker 2: Oh really, Like I just didn't get it. 69 00:03:31,584 --> 00:03:34,144 Speaker 1: Maybe because I was such a Toilando Bloom stand Well, 70 00:03:34,184 --> 00:03:35,304 Speaker 1: that's true, but you. 71 00:03:35,304 --> 00:03:37,544 Speaker 2: Just feel territorial. Oh that's why I like a music. 72 00:03:37,584 --> 00:03:40,984 Speaker 2: It's all coming full circle. No, she's in a competition. 73 00:03:41,264 --> 00:03:42,544 Speaker 2: I mean a little bit. 74 00:03:42,584 --> 00:03:44,224 Speaker 1: He's singled out any Yeah, sorry. 75 00:03:43,984 --> 00:03:45,024 Speaker 2: We're not going to go down or not. 76 00:03:45,384 --> 00:03:48,184 Speaker 1: We are not going down the Orlando Bloom. They loving 77 00:03:48,264 --> 00:03:50,824 Speaker 1: the rabbit hole because it's just going to end badly. 78 00:03:51,264 --> 00:03:52,064 Speaker 1: I'm not a massive fan. 79 00:03:52,064 --> 00:03:53,064 Speaker 2: I never really got it. 80 00:03:53,224 --> 00:03:55,424 Speaker 1: But you know, they've been together ten years. I've got 81 00:03:55,464 --> 00:03:57,904 Speaker 1: like a four year old daughter. They seem to be 82 00:03:57,944 --> 00:04:01,664 Speaker 1: really happy, and you know, it is really sad when 83 00:04:01,704 --> 00:04:03,384 Speaker 1: any relationship comes to an end. 84 00:04:03,784 --> 00:04:04,464 Speaker 2: But you're right. 85 00:04:04,584 --> 00:04:07,784 Speaker 1: The negative press has always been around Katie, and particularly 86 00:04:07,784 --> 00:04:10,944 Speaker 1: around her crying on stage. So she she's just been 87 00:04:11,064 --> 00:04:13,304 Speaker 1: in Australia, she's just left. She's been here for her 88 00:04:13,344 --> 00:04:18,304 Speaker 1: Lifetime's tour in Adelaide on June thirty, she was recorded 89 00:04:18,704 --> 00:04:22,584 Speaker 1: crying on stage basically saying thank you for all supporting me, 90 00:04:23,184 --> 00:04:25,464 Speaker 1: and people were like, oh, she's really upset about her breakup. 91 00:04:38,744 --> 00:04:41,864 Speaker 1: Now I've kind of gone down this rabbit hole of 92 00:04:42,824 --> 00:04:46,344 Speaker 1: Katie Perry crying on stage and it seems to be 93 00:04:46,424 --> 00:04:49,264 Speaker 1: this like running I don't want to say joke, but 94 00:04:49,304 --> 00:04:51,864 Speaker 1: it seems to be this running thing where you know, 95 00:04:52,024 --> 00:04:55,384 Speaker 1: with Russell brand, Oh she's crying about Russell. But I 96 00:04:55,424 --> 00:04:57,864 Speaker 1: think she might just be really into her music and 97 00:04:57,904 --> 00:05:01,544 Speaker 1: be emotional because she's not just crying during breakups. There's 98 00:05:01,624 --> 00:05:06,184 Speaker 1: lots of the times when she's performing when she sheds 99 00:05:06,184 --> 00:05:08,984 Speaker 1: a tear, but I think like the physical exertion of 100 00:05:09,024 --> 00:05:11,504 Speaker 1: doing a tour, would you quite emotional. 101 00:05:12,264 --> 00:05:14,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I think it's the times where she 102 00:05:14,784 --> 00:05:18,104 Speaker 2: gets the most presses after a breakup, and it was 103 00:05:18,184 --> 00:05:20,944 Speaker 2: really emotional watching her at that final Australian concert be 104 00:05:21,104 --> 00:05:24,224 Speaker 2: up on stage because there's been again not just the breakup, 105 00:05:24,264 --> 00:05:26,024 Speaker 2: but all the negative press we've talked about with like 106 00:05:26,064 --> 00:05:28,584 Speaker 2: she released her new song Woman's World and that got 107 00:05:28,624 --> 00:05:32,184 Speaker 2: absolutely slammed. She released the video clip and people making 108 00:05:32,224 --> 00:05:34,664 Speaker 2: fun of her, and then the space thing. But even 109 00:05:34,664 --> 00:05:36,664 Speaker 2: before that, this is this idea that like people didn't 110 00:05:36,664 --> 00:05:38,824 Speaker 2: want to see her concerts, which didn't turn out to 111 00:05:38,864 --> 00:05:41,064 Speaker 2: be true because I think they say soul quite well 112 00:05:41,344 --> 00:05:43,224 Speaker 2: and I think that moment where she's looking out the 113 00:05:43,264 --> 00:05:46,024 Speaker 2: crowd and everyone's on their feet screaming her name and 114 00:05:46,064 --> 00:05:48,944 Speaker 2: screaming her song lyrics. I can see how, like after 115 00:05:48,984 --> 00:05:51,944 Speaker 2: being in the industry for like decades, that that would 116 00:05:51,984 --> 00:05:54,744 Speaker 2: be such an emotional moment for you. But then also 117 00:05:54,784 --> 00:05:57,224 Speaker 2: we know Orlando Bloom was in Australia before he deeaded 118 00:05:57,264 --> 00:06:00,824 Speaker 2: off to the Crazy Bezos wedding, and was that their 119 00:06:00,864 --> 00:06:05,264 Speaker 2: final conversation of we're definitely ending this and that when 120 00:06:05,264 --> 00:06:07,024 Speaker 2: we'll put the announcement out, like did they have to 121 00:06:07,064 --> 00:06:09,544 Speaker 2: have one kind of face to face meeting and that's 122 00:06:09,544 --> 00:06:10,344 Speaker 2: where it all came from. 123 00:06:10,424 --> 00:06:13,104 Speaker 1: I mean, there's been so much speculation around this relationship. 124 00:06:13,104 --> 00:06:16,304 Speaker 1: We probably will hear more about it. But Katy Perry 125 00:06:16,464 --> 00:06:19,064 Speaker 1: is still on this Lifetime's Toour till December when she 126 00:06:19,064 --> 00:06:22,744 Speaker 1: finishes up in Abu Dhabi, so she is going to 127 00:06:22,784 --> 00:06:24,384 Speaker 1: be on tool for a while, so I'm sure we 128 00:06:24,424 --> 00:06:26,784 Speaker 1: can expect to see a few more clips of her. 129 00:06:26,904 --> 00:06:29,104 Speaker 2: I wish that they were filming, and maybe they are, 130 00:06:29,144 --> 00:06:31,064 Speaker 2: but I wish they were filming a documentary like the 131 00:06:31,144 --> 00:06:33,424 Speaker 2: last big time she was on tour, Like that whole 132 00:06:33,424 --> 00:06:35,664 Speaker 2: documentary is why we have that crying scene. 133 00:06:35,704 --> 00:06:38,464 Speaker 1: It's why we have the Russell Brand yes breakdown of 134 00:06:38,504 --> 00:06:41,184 Speaker 1: their relationship. It's like she's timing her tools with the 135 00:06:41,184 --> 00:06:42,744 Speaker 1: breakdowns of her relationship, which. 136 00:06:42,584 --> 00:06:44,704 Speaker 2: Is really sad. Yeah, I know that is hard, but 137 00:06:44,744 --> 00:06:47,144 Speaker 2: I mean that moment from her documentary is so iconic. 138 00:06:47,184 --> 00:06:49,504 Speaker 2: If anyone hasn't seen the Katie predocumentary, it's well worth 139 00:06:49,544 --> 00:06:51,424 Speaker 2: a watch for the whole thing. But there's that one 140 00:06:51,424 --> 00:06:55,384 Speaker 2: moment where she's crying backstage. It's kind of inferred that 141 00:06:55,424 --> 00:06:58,384 Speaker 2: she's just got a text from Russell Brand announcing their divorce. 142 00:06:58,544 --> 00:07:01,144 Speaker 2: She walks out to go on stage. She's rising up 143 00:07:01,264 --> 00:07:04,104 Speaker 2: from under the stage to appear, and she's literally hunched 144 00:07:04,144 --> 00:07:07,584 Speaker 2: over sobbing uncontrollably. And then as the platform lifts her 145 00:07:07,664 --> 00:07:10,344 Speaker 2: onto stage, she just stops crying and like becomes Katie 146 00:07:10,464 --> 00:07:13,464 Speaker 2: Perry and performs. And everyone thought that she was performing 147 00:07:13,544 --> 00:07:15,624 Speaker 2: off the back of her divorce, that she just got 148 00:07:15,624 --> 00:07:17,304 Speaker 2: a text from this man that she'd been married to 149 00:07:17,744 --> 00:07:20,664 Speaker 2: saying it's over and she was heartbroken. And I always 150 00:07:20,664 --> 00:07:21,824 Speaker 2: thought that too, and I always thought it was one 151 00:07:21,864 --> 00:07:24,424 Speaker 2: of the most important moments in pop culture. I've since 152 00:07:24,464 --> 00:07:26,464 Speaker 2: heard from many people over the years that people have 153 00:07:26,504 --> 00:07:28,624 Speaker 2: worked with her, who have said interviews or people who've 154 00:07:28,704 --> 00:07:31,064 Speaker 2: just who were kind of around in that moment. It's 155 00:07:31,104 --> 00:07:33,784 Speaker 2: never been proven that wasn't the actual moment that she 156 00:07:33,944 --> 00:07:36,064 Speaker 2: got the divorce, that she was just really run down 157 00:07:36,104 --> 00:07:39,344 Speaker 2: and tired and hungover and that's why she was crying, 158 00:07:39,624 --> 00:07:42,504 Speaker 2: which I hate. I want. 159 00:07:42,944 --> 00:07:45,824 Speaker 1: I have so much respect for these people. Can you imagine, 160 00:07:46,304 --> 00:07:48,744 Speaker 1: you know, like you know those days and we kind 161 00:07:48,744 --> 00:07:50,864 Speaker 1: of to have it to a certain extent where if 162 00:07:50,864 --> 00:07:53,744 Speaker 1: you're feeling really tired or run down and you need 163 00:07:53,784 --> 00:07:56,544 Speaker 1: to be up and perform and we record this podcast, 164 00:07:56,664 --> 00:07:59,344 Speaker 1: even though behind the scenes we really hate each other. 165 00:07:59,624 --> 00:08:01,904 Speaker 2: Like we amount of times I've cried in this office, 166 00:08:01,904 --> 00:08:04,384 Speaker 2: that's not even like you do cry. You have cried 167 00:08:04,424 --> 00:08:06,304 Speaker 2: and have to come and do the pot It's harder 168 00:08:06,344 --> 00:08:08,024 Speaker 2: now that we're doing video, but back in the day, 169 00:08:08,104 --> 00:08:09,904 Speaker 2: the amount of pods I recorded with a red face 170 00:08:09,904 --> 00:08:12,384 Speaker 2: because something happened. Yes, you just had to do it. 171 00:08:12,384 --> 00:08:14,224 Speaker 2: We're all Katy Perry on the inside. I know. 172 00:08:14,304 --> 00:08:16,584 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying, it's like, it's really hard to 173 00:08:16,624 --> 00:08:19,344 Speaker 1: perform when you're feeling low. So I have so much 174 00:08:19,344 --> 00:08:21,304 Speaker 1: respect for these performers, even though I'm not like a 175 00:08:21,344 --> 00:08:25,704 Speaker 1: massive fan of her music and her vibe because she's 176 00:08:25,704 --> 00:08:31,704 Speaker 1: stole my husband. I do appreciate that, emotionally physically very 177 00:08:31,704 --> 00:08:34,384 Speaker 1: demanding to do a show and a tour like this. 178 00:08:34,584 --> 00:08:37,824 Speaker 1: Like I was looking at the schedule, it is full on. 179 00:08:37,904 --> 00:08:39,824 Speaker 1: I can't imagine how they do this. No one Justin 180 00:08:39,864 --> 00:08:40,904 Speaker 1: Bieber had a break down. 181 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:42,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's rough out there. 182 00:08:43,184 --> 00:08:45,784 Speaker 1: Her tool finishes up in December. Will keep you posted. 183 00:08:45,864 --> 00:08:49,184 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's going to be so many articles over 184 00:08:49,264 --> 00:08:52,624 Speaker 1: the next few months about who they're both dating. But yeah, 185 00:08:52,664 --> 00:08:55,384 Speaker 1: we'll keep you posted, so. 186 00:08:55,464 --> 00:08:59,344 Speaker 2: Over the weekend. Spice Girl, Melanie Bee, Scary Spice mel Brown, 187 00:08:59,424 --> 00:09:01,504 Speaker 2: however you want to call her. She goes by many names. 188 00:09:01,944 --> 00:09:05,744 Speaker 2: Married Rory McPhee, who is a hair stylist specializing in 189 00:09:05,784 --> 00:09:07,904 Speaker 2: curly hair, which I find really cute. 190 00:09:08,064 --> 00:09:10,304 Speaker 1: And her hair was curly for the wedding. Oh yeah, 191 00:09:10,464 --> 00:09:10,944 Speaker 1: I wonder. 192 00:09:10,744 --> 00:09:13,904 Speaker 2: If he did her hair. I had not seen it anywhere. No, 193 00:09:14,064 --> 00:09:16,304 Speaker 2: it would be very cute. I didn't see it. 194 00:09:16,344 --> 00:09:18,784 Speaker 1: But she is wearing curly hair for her wedding. 195 00:09:18,984 --> 00:09:20,264 Speaker 2: No little nonto him. 196 00:09:20,304 --> 00:09:21,704 Speaker 1: I think is quite cute. 197 00:09:22,264 --> 00:09:25,024 Speaker 2: So the dress was beautiful, had the beautiful and crusted 198 00:09:25,024 --> 00:09:27,344 Speaker 2: pearls and the high neck, and there's all these photos 199 00:09:27,344 --> 00:09:30,664 Speaker 2: of them smiling and laughing and looking very very happy. 200 00:09:30,744 --> 00:09:33,304 Speaker 2: So we love a celebrity wedding, but this one came 201 00:09:33,344 --> 00:09:35,944 Speaker 2: with a slight scandal, not around the couple, they seem 202 00:09:36,064 --> 00:09:38,624 Speaker 2: very happy, but around the guest list. Because anytime a 203 00:09:38,664 --> 00:09:42,864 Speaker 2: Spice Girl is involved in anything, the instant, I know, 204 00:09:43,144 --> 00:09:45,664 Speaker 2: she just like fell off your chair from exhausted over there. 205 00:09:46,464 --> 00:09:49,224 Speaker 2: The only thing anyone cares about is where are the 206 00:09:49,264 --> 00:09:51,184 Speaker 2: other Spice Girls? What are they saying, what are they doing, 207 00:09:51,224 --> 00:09:51,944 Speaker 2: what are they wearing. 208 00:09:52,384 --> 00:09:54,024 Speaker 1: I know that we wanted to do this story today, 209 00:09:54,064 --> 00:09:57,104 Speaker 1: but I was like, really, gud your thoughts out like 210 00:09:57,144 --> 00:10:00,144 Speaker 1: it really. I was just like, she's getting married, so 211 00:10:00,224 --> 00:10:02,864 Speaker 1: what if they're not all there? She's fifty years old. 212 00:10:03,144 --> 00:10:05,304 Speaker 1: The Spice Girls is live in the nineties. That's like 213 00:10:05,384 --> 00:10:06,664 Speaker 1: thirty years ago, I know. 214 00:10:06,744 --> 00:10:10,064 Speaker 2: But they they do hang out together every so often. 215 00:10:10,704 --> 00:10:12,864 Speaker 2: But remember I think it was like Victoria's fiftieth and 216 00:10:12,904 --> 00:10:15,384 Speaker 2: they were all on the dance floor and David Beckham's 217 00:10:15,384 --> 00:10:17,624 Speaker 2: filming them and they're singing a Spy Skirl song. See, 218 00:10:17,664 --> 00:10:19,904 Speaker 2: we have these little moments peppered through history and that's 219 00:10:19,944 --> 00:10:20,624 Speaker 2: why people care. 220 00:10:20,824 --> 00:10:23,264 Speaker 1: I know, I get that, but like we don't have 221 00:10:23,384 --> 00:10:27,744 Speaker 1: to like dig deep into everything thinking it's a slight yes, 222 00:10:27,864 --> 00:10:31,104 Speaker 1: like maybe it was a small wedding, maybe they didn't 223 00:10:31,144 --> 00:10:33,784 Speaker 1: want to have everyone there, maybe they couldn't make it 224 00:10:34,264 --> 00:10:36,824 Speaker 1: like this is like how many This is probably her 225 00:10:36,864 --> 00:10:38,344 Speaker 1: second marriage, is her second marriage or. 226 00:10:38,424 --> 00:10:39,224 Speaker 2: I think it's her third. 227 00:10:39,624 --> 00:10:41,784 Speaker 1: So you know she's done this a few times before. 228 00:10:42,224 --> 00:10:45,144 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'm underthinking, but I know that 229 00:10:45,184 --> 00:10:47,024 Speaker 1: you're really excited about it and you want to talk 230 00:10:47,024 --> 00:10:48,944 Speaker 1: about it. So I'm going to come along for the 231 00:10:49,024 --> 00:10:49,584 Speaker 1: rides with you. 232 00:10:50,504 --> 00:10:52,024 Speaker 2: It's a strong word, but I just want to unpack 233 00:10:52,024 --> 00:10:54,304 Speaker 2: the headlines and bring my truth to the situation. So 234 00:10:54,624 --> 00:10:57,824 Speaker 2: one spy s girl was there, Emma Bunton aka Baby Spies, 235 00:10:57,864 --> 00:11:00,384 Speaker 2: who was pictured walking out of the venue, smiling, laughing, 236 00:11:00,504 --> 00:11:01,344 Speaker 2: looking very happy. 237 00:11:01,544 --> 00:11:03,184 Speaker 1: One thing that did make me really excited was she 238 00:11:03,184 --> 00:11:03,984 Speaker 1: was wearing baby pink. 239 00:11:04,184 --> 00:11:06,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really cute. She really still lives that 240 00:11:06,664 --> 00:11:09,064 Speaker 2: baby Spice lifestyle and I love that for her. So 241 00:11:09,104 --> 00:11:11,384 Speaker 2: she was walking out and looking very happy. She is 242 00:11:11,424 --> 00:11:14,184 Speaker 2: the only one who currently is like in the UK 243 00:11:14,704 --> 00:11:16,544 Speaker 2: full time at the moment, in living there, so it's 244 00:11:16,584 --> 00:11:19,744 Speaker 2: probably an easier commute from her to get to the wedding. 245 00:11:19,984 --> 00:11:22,664 Speaker 2: So Victoria Beckham wasn't there and the reasoning for that 246 00:11:22,704 --> 00:11:25,864 Speaker 2: everyone said was that she's currently overseas. Obviously she does 247 00:11:25,944 --> 00:11:27,984 Speaker 2: live in America and she wasn't able to get to 248 00:11:28,064 --> 00:11:31,384 Speaker 2: the UK for the wedding. She put up a congratulations 249 00:11:31,424 --> 00:11:33,344 Speaker 2: post saying she was devastated to miss it but she 250 00:11:33,384 --> 00:11:35,784 Speaker 2: loves them, did her signature little kisses At the end. 251 00:11:36,264 --> 00:11:39,864 Speaker 2: Melcy aka Sporty Spice is on tour and playing in 252 00:11:39,904 --> 00:11:42,824 Speaker 2: a music festival overseas she wasn't able to be there. 253 00:11:43,264 --> 00:11:45,464 Speaker 2: She put up also, like you know, a tribute and 254 00:11:45,544 --> 00:11:47,344 Speaker 2: was commenting on the posts and was all in it. 255 00:11:47,384 --> 00:11:49,304 Speaker 2: So it seems really lovely and it's yeah again one 256 00:11:49,344 --> 00:11:51,424 Speaker 2: of those things where maybe it was a smaller wedding, 257 00:11:51,744 --> 00:11:54,264 Speaker 2: unlike Victoria's birthday, which might have been planned ten years 258 00:11:54,264 --> 00:11:56,784 Speaker 2: in advance. Maybe it was a bit spur of the moment. 259 00:11:56,824 --> 00:11:59,464 Speaker 2: We don't know. But the drama comes from the fact 260 00:11:59,824 --> 00:12:03,864 Speaker 2: that Jerry Halliwell aka Ginger Spias was not there, even 261 00:12:03,864 --> 00:12:06,504 Speaker 2: though at the moment I think she just split her time. 262 00:12:06,544 --> 00:12:07,984 Speaker 2: But she is in the UK quite. 263 00:12:07,824 --> 00:12:11,744 Speaker 1: Often yet so there's a bit of law behind Ginger 264 00:12:12,504 --> 00:12:16,344 Speaker 1: and Melby, which goes back to Melby saying that Ginger 265 00:12:16,384 --> 00:12:19,224 Speaker 1: and her like hooked up back when the Spice Girls 266 00:12:19,304 --> 00:12:22,104 Speaker 1: first started, and then Ginger got really upset about that, 267 00:12:23,064 --> 00:12:26,104 Speaker 1: and now there's like a weird rift between them. 268 00:12:26,384 --> 00:12:28,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it, it's been bumpy over the years. 269 00:12:28,584 --> 00:12:30,624 Speaker 2: They were the ones who always if you read The 270 00:12:30,624 --> 00:12:33,504 Speaker 2: Spice Girl's unauthorized biography, which I got from the book 271 00:12:33,504 --> 00:12:36,304 Speaker 2: fair in grade five, and I think even though it's unauthorized, 272 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:38,264 Speaker 2: everything that's come out of it so far has been 273 00:12:38,304 --> 00:12:40,544 Speaker 2: true that they were the ones when they girl group 274 00:12:40,624 --> 00:12:43,264 Speaker 2: was first put together, who clashed the most and who 275 00:12:43,304 --> 00:12:45,664 Speaker 2: had the kind of firish relationship but was still close. 276 00:12:46,064 --> 00:12:49,224 Speaker 2: And then when Jerry left the Spice Girls, that was 277 00:12:49,264 --> 00:12:51,704 Speaker 2: the most shocking day of my life. I still remember, yeah, 278 00:12:51,704 --> 00:12:53,584 Speaker 2: I yeah, it was. 279 00:12:54,184 --> 00:12:56,664 Speaker 1: Even though I was a bit critical when we first started, 280 00:12:56,744 --> 00:12:59,864 Speaker 1: I do really I did really love the Spice Girl. Yeah, 281 00:12:59,944 --> 00:13:02,424 Speaker 1: I remember making up dancers. I was always baby Spices, 282 00:13:02,464 --> 00:13:06,024 Speaker 1: like I am a Stan But yes, when Ginger left, 283 00:13:06,064 --> 00:13:08,064 Speaker 1: it was just such a yeah. 284 00:13:08,064 --> 00:13:10,264 Speaker 2: And Melby was apparently the one that took it the hardest, 285 00:13:10,384 --> 00:13:12,464 Speaker 2: and there was a lot of rebuilding over the years, 286 00:13:12,704 --> 00:13:14,504 Speaker 2: and yes, when she came out and said that they 287 00:13:14,704 --> 00:13:16,864 Speaker 2: hooked up, she said, Jerry's not gonna like this, and 288 00:13:16,864 --> 00:13:19,664 Speaker 2: apparently Jerry didn't. The interesting thing too, is that since 289 00:13:19,824 --> 00:13:23,024 Speaker 2: Jerry married her like very very wealthy husband, she is 290 00:13:23,184 --> 00:13:26,344 Speaker 2: very much transitioned into this like lady of the manor 291 00:13:27,064 --> 00:13:30,464 Speaker 2: UK kind of persona, Like she only wears white and cream. 292 00:13:30,864 --> 00:13:33,744 Speaker 2: She's always like done up really beautifully. She can sort 293 00:13:33,744 --> 00:13:35,904 Speaker 2: of be seen like taking a stroll through London. She's 294 00:13:35,904 --> 00:13:38,224 Speaker 2: a lady who lunches now, so she has more than 295 00:13:38,264 --> 00:13:41,304 Speaker 2: any of them. She has pushed her spice girl persona 296 00:13:41,464 --> 00:13:44,664 Speaker 2: so far away, So I don't know, is there something there. 297 00:13:44,664 --> 00:13:46,224 Speaker 2: I think it's more likely that she just couldn't make 298 00:13:46,264 --> 00:13:46,784 Speaker 2: it well. 299 00:13:47,464 --> 00:13:49,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I also think, like, why would Melby lie 300 00:13:49,944 --> 00:13:51,144 Speaker 1: about something like. 301 00:13:51,064 --> 00:13:53,504 Speaker 2: That about them hooking up? Yeah, Oh no, I don't 302 00:13:53,504 --> 00:13:54,344 Speaker 2: think that's a lie at all. 303 00:13:54,704 --> 00:13:56,384 Speaker 1: I think that why was Ginger upset? 304 00:13:56,744 --> 00:13:58,704 Speaker 2: I think she was just upset that they hadn't talked 305 00:13:58,704 --> 00:14:00,824 Speaker 2: about it for decades and they'd always laughed it off 306 00:14:00,824 --> 00:14:02,344 Speaker 2: as a joke, and then one day on a talk 307 00:14:02,384 --> 00:14:03,984 Speaker 2: show she just set it offhand. 308 00:14:04,064 --> 00:14:05,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she said to Morgan. 309 00:14:05,544 --> 00:14:07,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, the worst person to say it to. 310 00:14:09,064 --> 00:14:11,544 Speaker 2: And I think also maybe wouldn't have Again, I'm putting 311 00:14:11,544 --> 00:14:14,184 Speaker 2: a lot of parasocial relationships onto these women, but that's 312 00:14:14,224 --> 00:14:16,624 Speaker 2: where we are as millennial women. We grow up with them. 313 00:14:16,904 --> 00:14:18,904 Speaker 2: I think maybe she would have cared less back in 314 00:14:18,944 --> 00:14:20,984 Speaker 2: their like pop star days, but now that she has 315 00:14:21,024 --> 00:14:23,264 Speaker 2: sort of pulled back from public life and it's very 316 00:14:23,304 --> 00:14:25,824 Speaker 2: much like I'm a wife and a mother and she's 317 00:14:25,944 --> 00:14:28,384 Speaker 2: very much in that kind of posh uk set that 318 00:14:28,424 --> 00:14:30,304 Speaker 2: she would have hated all the head because those world 319 00:14:30,344 --> 00:14:33,504 Speaker 2: wide headlines for weeks over that. So, but they've been 320 00:14:33,544 --> 00:14:35,744 Speaker 2: pictured together a lot since, so I actually don't think 321 00:14:35,744 --> 00:14:38,064 Speaker 2: that their rift is from that. If there's a rift 322 00:14:38,064 --> 00:14:38,664 Speaker 2: at all. 323 00:14:38,464 --> 00:14:40,384 Speaker 1: I know, I know. Look, I think it's a bit 324 00:14:40,424 --> 00:14:43,504 Speaker 1: of a like sometimes I think it just becomes a 325 00:14:43,504 --> 00:14:46,104 Speaker 1: bit of a reach. I understand why people are so fascinated. 326 00:14:46,184 --> 00:14:47,704 Speaker 1: I love the Spice Girls. I get it. 327 00:14:48,024 --> 00:14:49,864 Speaker 2: You know, Victoria Beckham. 328 00:14:49,544 --> 00:14:51,184 Speaker 1: Is still up there with one of my all time 329 00:14:51,224 --> 00:14:54,744 Speaker 1: favorite interviews, Like, I adore her. You know, I'm really 330 00:14:54,784 --> 00:14:59,384 Speaker 1: glad that Melby seems very happy now, particularly considering her 331 00:14:59,504 --> 00:15:03,224 Speaker 1: past relationship with Stephen Bellefonte. You know, she's actually got 332 00:15:03,264 --> 00:15:07,944 Speaker 1: an MBA now for her domestic violence advocacy. 333 00:15:08,264 --> 00:15:12,144 Speaker 2: She's been so open about all her trauma, of all 334 00:15:12,184 --> 00:15:14,544 Speaker 2: her relationships over the years, and she also just seems 335 00:15:14,544 --> 00:15:16,984 Speaker 2: like someone who just loves love, Like she when she 336 00:15:17,064 --> 00:15:20,264 Speaker 2: had her first wedding, there was this like big, opulent partied. 337 00:15:20,304 --> 00:15:22,784 Speaker 2: When she married Jimmy Golzalis I think his name was, 338 00:15:22,784 --> 00:15:24,504 Speaker 2: was a dancer, and that was a huge thing, and 339 00:15:25,104 --> 00:15:26,864 Speaker 2: she was so in love with him for many years. 340 00:15:26,904 --> 00:15:29,624 Speaker 2: And then she was with Stephen Bellafonte for over ten 341 00:15:29,704 --> 00:15:32,344 Speaker 2: years and they had a daughter called Madison together And 342 00:15:32,784 --> 00:15:35,544 Speaker 2: it wasn't until after that marriage ended and she wrote 343 00:15:35,544 --> 00:15:39,024 Speaker 2: her memoir and all of these allegations came out, and 344 00:15:39,424 --> 00:15:41,384 Speaker 2: she ended up moving back in with her mother and 345 00:15:41,384 --> 00:15:43,184 Speaker 2: sort of living in the spare bedroom of her mom's 346 00:15:43,224 --> 00:15:46,424 Speaker 2: like tiny retirement cottage, and had lost all her like 347 00:15:46,464 --> 00:15:49,824 Speaker 2: spic skills, money and everything in this relationship. And I 348 00:15:49,824 --> 00:15:51,904 Speaker 2: think it was even more so than money, she said, 349 00:15:51,904 --> 00:15:53,384 Speaker 2: it was just the loss of self. She's like, I 350 00:15:53,424 --> 00:15:56,464 Speaker 2: feel like such a failure because I was all about 351 00:15:56,584 --> 00:15:58,824 Speaker 2: girl power and I screamed that the loudest and then 352 00:15:58,864 --> 00:16:00,664 Speaker 2: out of all of you know, and then after all 353 00:16:00,664 --> 00:16:02,264 Speaker 2: of that, I was the one who was trapped in 354 00:16:02,304 --> 00:16:05,624 Speaker 2: this relationship by man for many years. It's really heartbreaking. 355 00:16:05,624 --> 00:16:07,464 Speaker 2: I know that Stephen Bollafonte has come out and said 356 00:16:07,464 --> 00:16:08,504 Speaker 2: it's not true. 357 00:16:08,584 --> 00:16:10,584 Speaker 1: And it's really interesting that she says the low of 358 00:16:10,744 --> 00:16:14,784 Speaker 1: self because that I think can happen to any woman, 359 00:16:14,864 --> 00:16:16,864 Speaker 1: even if you are someone who is as strong and 360 00:16:16,904 --> 00:16:21,264 Speaker 1: successful as Melby, you know, in this girl power phase, 361 00:16:22,064 --> 00:16:24,944 Speaker 1: it can happen to anyone. Oh yeah, to be caught 362 00:16:25,064 --> 00:16:29,384 Speaker 1: up in these really difficult relationships. But yes, she looks 363 00:16:29,504 --> 00:16:33,864 Speaker 1: very happy. I absolutely loved Rory mcpee's Scottish tartan. 364 00:16:34,184 --> 00:16:37,184 Speaker 2: Oh. Yes, he's wearing a kilt. She's wearing a kid. 365 00:16:37,424 --> 00:16:40,184 Speaker 1: I love a man in a kilt on their wedding. 366 00:16:40,544 --> 00:16:42,544 Speaker 2: I know. I feel like we're really like building this up, 367 00:16:42,544 --> 00:16:44,544 Speaker 2: but it's just as we want her to be so happy, 368 00:16:44,664 --> 00:16:48,024 Speaker 2: especially because after the whole Steven situation, her past breakup, 369 00:16:48,064 --> 00:16:50,304 Speaker 2: she had a few other relationships that were very tumultuous, 370 00:16:50,424 --> 00:16:52,984 Speaker 2: and then she had this like love affair with Eddie Murphy. 371 00:16:53,104 --> 00:16:55,944 Speaker 1: And there was like the paternity thing with and then Eddie. 372 00:16:55,784 --> 00:16:58,504 Speaker 2: Murphy and Melby tell different sides of this. But her side, 373 00:16:58,984 --> 00:17:01,144 Speaker 2: which I kind of believe a little bit more. But 374 00:17:01,224 --> 00:17:03,144 Speaker 2: her side is that they had this wild love affair, 375 00:17:03,304 --> 00:17:05,824 Speaker 2: she got pregnant, he was like, I want nothing to 376 00:17:05,864 --> 00:17:08,624 Speaker 2: do with you, and that child's not mine, and she 377 00:17:08,824 --> 00:17:12,464 Speaker 2: really wanted him to claim their daughter, which fair enough, 378 00:17:12,584 --> 00:17:14,544 Speaker 2: and so she ended up getting the courts to get 379 00:17:14,624 --> 00:17:17,544 Speaker 2: him to undergo a paternity test. And the daughter, whose 380 00:17:17,584 --> 00:17:19,824 Speaker 2: name I believe is angel Iris, which is a great name, 381 00:17:20,304 --> 00:17:22,424 Speaker 2: is his child, his tenth or eleventh child. 382 00:17:22,504 --> 00:17:24,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's got ten kids. Like this man does 383 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:27,584 Speaker 1: not like to wear a condom yea yeah, like easy, yeah. 384 00:17:27,584 --> 00:17:29,184 Speaker 2: And the when he's saying to this one girl, sorry, 385 00:17:29,184 --> 00:17:30,944 Speaker 2: you're not mine, it's like, come on, guy, if you're 386 00:17:30,944 --> 00:17:33,464 Speaker 2: gonna sleep around, yeah, mate, look after the children. 387 00:17:33,304 --> 00:17:36,464 Speaker 1: Take responsibility for her stuff. 388 00:17:36,224 --> 00:17:38,624 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. And so many people are like, oh, Melby's 389 00:17:38,624 --> 00:17:40,664 Speaker 2: just trying to get Edvie mercy with money, And I'm like, one, 390 00:17:40,784 --> 00:17:42,624 Speaker 2: if he is the father of that child that he is, 391 00:17:43,304 --> 00:17:46,904 Speaker 2: legally he should be he should provide for her, even 392 00:17:46,984 --> 00:17:49,384 Speaker 2: if like obviously Melby had her own money again by then. 393 00:17:49,544 --> 00:17:51,904 Speaker 2: But it's more so that when you listen to Melby, 394 00:17:52,104 --> 00:17:54,184 Speaker 2: that's all I can refer to her as miss Melby. 395 00:17:54,624 --> 00:17:55,864 Speaker 2: Is that when you listen to her talk about this 396 00:17:55,904 --> 00:17:57,784 Speaker 2: in interview, she was just like, I just had to 397 00:17:57,864 --> 00:18:01,304 Speaker 2: fight for my daughter to have her father recognize her 398 00:18:01,304 --> 00:18:03,304 Speaker 2: publicly and to have his name on the birth certificate 399 00:18:03,344 --> 00:18:05,664 Speaker 2: and be able to say, like, that's your dad without 400 00:18:05,664 --> 00:18:08,584 Speaker 2: it being this big. It's like when Liz Hurley was 401 00:18:08,624 --> 00:18:11,224 Speaker 2: pregnant with her son Damien, and his father was like, no, no, 402 00:18:11,264 --> 00:18:12,424 Speaker 2: it's something to do with me, and they had a 403 00:18:12,464 --> 00:18:14,664 Speaker 2: paternity test and she was like, I just wanted my 404 00:18:14,904 --> 00:18:17,344 Speaker 2: son to be able to claim his father's name. Especially 405 00:18:17,344 --> 00:18:19,504 Speaker 2: because we're all in the public eye. You can't can't help, 406 00:18:19,504 --> 00:18:20,384 Speaker 2: but people speculate. 407 00:18:20,544 --> 00:18:24,264 Speaker 1: It's very Maripovich. Yeah, I could go on forever. I 408 00:18:24,264 --> 00:18:27,904 Speaker 1: could do a deep dive on men who have this 409 00:18:28,104 --> 00:18:31,744 Speaker 1: like obsession with spreading their siege, the amount of men 410 00:18:31,864 --> 00:18:34,744 Speaker 1: who are just out there like with like a million children. 411 00:18:35,944 --> 00:18:38,784 Speaker 2: Nick Cannon, Yeah, I can remember all his kids' names. 412 00:18:38,784 --> 00:18:40,624 Speaker 2: He got asked other day and he blanked after like 413 00:18:40,704 --> 00:18:41,384 Speaker 2: five or six. 414 00:18:41,504 --> 00:18:43,944 Speaker 1: Honestly, I could do a massive deep dive. Right, There's 415 00:18:43,944 --> 00:18:47,224 Speaker 1: gotta be some psychological reason behind. Maybe it's like the 416 00:18:47,264 --> 00:18:51,704 Speaker 1: lizard brain coming out just wanting to just spread it around, 417 00:18:51,744 --> 00:18:52,504 Speaker 1: spread it around. 418 00:18:52,584 --> 00:18:56,504 Speaker 2: Anyway, we're toping again anyway, beautiful wedding, loved the curly hair, 419 00:18:56,544 --> 00:19:00,384 Speaker 2: love the tartan. Hope that Ginger Spice posts something or 420 00:19:00,424 --> 00:19:02,224 Speaker 2: says something, so you can put this few ter rests 421 00:19:02,344 --> 00:19:04,224 Speaker 2: because people are still hold which I just don't think 422 00:19:04,424 --> 00:19:06,464 Speaker 2: is ever gonna happen. People are still holding up for 423 00:19:06,504 --> 00:19:07,464 Speaker 2: a spy skills a year. 424 00:19:07,544 --> 00:19:08,904 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. 425 00:19:08,904 --> 00:19:10,544 Speaker 2: I want settle with them just being all in the 426 00:19:10,544 --> 00:19:14,224 Speaker 2: same room together. And she's singing like back in the 427 00:19:14,304 --> 00:19:18,224 Speaker 2: day that's cannot sing nob is the best thing right 428 00:19:18,264 --> 00:19:21,464 Speaker 2: of all? Mel doesn't say, Melsie, she got the highest 429 00:19:21,464 --> 00:19:24,144 Speaker 2: score again, then authoris biography, she got the highest score 430 00:19:24,184 --> 00:19:26,624 Speaker 2: in there in the first audition for singing, and. 431 00:19:26,904 --> 00:19:29,424 Speaker 1: No, no, she is by far, like, by far the 432 00:19:29,464 --> 00:19:32,184 Speaker 1: best singer. You can listen to all of the like 433 00:19:32,784 --> 00:19:35,064 Speaker 1: original stuff and she is by far the best singer. 434 00:19:35,144 --> 00:19:39,784 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, any glad we solved that. Okay, So 435 00:19:40,384 --> 00:19:44,224 Speaker 2: the news is that Penn Badgeley aka Dan from Gossip 436 00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:47,824 Speaker 2: Girl and Megan Fahey from The Ball Type and The 437 00:19:47,824 --> 00:19:50,104 Speaker 2: White Lotus and many other things. But she'll always be 438 00:19:50,184 --> 00:19:53,704 Speaker 2: sudden to me, are allegedly in a fut Oh. 439 00:19:53,584 --> 00:19:56,264 Speaker 1: My god, I know what is this feud? Do they 440 00:19:56,304 --> 00:19:58,224 Speaker 1: hate each other? That is the. 441 00:19:58,104 --> 00:20:00,944 Speaker 2: Reaction they wanted, but not the reaction they got. So 442 00:20:01,064 --> 00:20:03,064 Speaker 2: this has been an evolving story over the last couple 443 00:20:03,104 --> 00:20:06,344 Speaker 2: of days, and it started when Penn Badgeley, who again 444 00:20:06,424 --> 00:20:08,264 Speaker 2: is on the TV show U Netflix. He also has 445 00:20:08,304 --> 00:20:10,784 Speaker 2: a podcast. He's very much like trying to keep spirital 446 00:20:10,824 --> 00:20:13,544 Speaker 2: eye there, put up this video. Okay, so I don't 447 00:20:13,624 --> 00:20:21,184 Speaker 2: usually do this, but I my wife and I redis finished. Sirens. Okay, sirens. 448 00:20:22,184 --> 00:20:23,224 Speaker 1: Want to give her flowers. 449 00:20:23,224 --> 00:20:26,024 Speaker 2: Now, obviously there's Julianne as Kevin, there's Millie, but this 450 00:20:26,024 --> 00:20:28,864 Speaker 2: this Meghan Fahi, this newcomer. 451 00:20:28,944 --> 00:20:31,464 Speaker 1: This like refreshing, gaky beauty. 452 00:20:31,584 --> 00:20:34,744 Speaker 2: Love it, love you. So that's the video he posted 453 00:20:34,824 --> 00:20:37,664 Speaker 2: to his Instagram, which, yeah, well initial thoughts. That's the 454 00:20:37,664 --> 00:20:38,064 Speaker 2: first time. 455 00:20:38,424 --> 00:20:42,144 Speaker 1: Yeh. So I've watched this like quite a few times. Okay, yeah, 456 00:20:42,184 --> 00:20:44,224 Speaker 1: because I really so horrified. I was like, are using 457 00:20:44,264 --> 00:20:46,384 Speaker 1: it for the No? No, no, I've watched it like 458 00:20:46,544 --> 00:20:48,184 Speaker 1: back to back quite a few times, and I'm trying 459 00:20:48,224 --> 00:20:50,784 Speaker 1: to figure out what my reaction to it was. It 460 00:20:50,984 --> 00:20:55,264 Speaker 1: feels fake. Yeah, he's acting in it, like on reflection, 461 00:20:56,104 --> 00:20:58,024 Speaker 1: the way that he's like, I don't normally do this 462 00:20:58,184 --> 00:21:00,624 Speaker 1: and Hot City, like he's trying to make it seem 463 00:21:00,664 --> 00:21:03,264 Speaker 1: really and I actually think he's a good actor. But 464 00:21:03,944 --> 00:21:08,784 Speaker 1: on reflection now he's very clearly performing. Yeah, anyway, it 465 00:21:08,824 --> 00:21:11,704 Speaker 1: was supposed to be just this reaction, Oh he's discovered 466 00:21:11,744 --> 00:21:15,464 Speaker 1: this new actor, Leghan Faihie, And then the comments are 467 00:21:15,504 --> 00:21:17,824 Speaker 1: all like, oh my god, how can you not know? 468 00:21:17,944 --> 00:21:20,024 Speaker 1: She has to be a guest on your podcast? 469 00:21:20,104 --> 00:21:20,904 Speaker 2: We love her? 470 00:21:21,664 --> 00:21:24,264 Speaker 1: Then Meghan Fayie comments. 471 00:21:25,064 --> 00:21:27,464 Speaker 2: Her first response was something like, oh, thanks so much. 472 00:21:27,584 --> 00:21:31,424 Speaker 2: Tell dominies had high. So Domino is Penn's wife, Domino Kirk, 473 00:21:31,424 --> 00:21:33,664 Speaker 2: who was also the sister of Jemima Kirk from Girls. 474 00:21:33,864 --> 00:21:36,504 Speaker 2: So he's married into a very cool family. Too cool 475 00:21:36,504 --> 00:21:38,664 Speaker 2: for him, i'm gonna say, but they're very happy together. 476 00:21:39,464 --> 00:21:42,064 Speaker 1: So there was like this this sort of back and 477 00:21:42,104 --> 00:21:45,864 Speaker 1: forth reputee between the two of them in the comments section. 478 00:21:45,984 --> 00:21:48,424 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden it got a bit aggressive. 479 00:21:48,784 --> 00:21:49,024 Speaker 2: Yes. 480 00:21:49,544 --> 00:21:52,224 Speaker 1: One of the comebacks was Meghan faith makes me lo 481 00:21:52,704 --> 00:21:53,544 Speaker 1: so hard. 482 00:21:53,664 --> 00:21:56,544 Speaker 2: It's such a good again, a very pre planned burn. 483 00:21:56,784 --> 00:21:59,984 Speaker 2: She also said gorky though with like a little emoji, 484 00:22:00,264 --> 00:22:02,184 Speaker 2: and then Penn was like, this is all happening in 485 00:22:02,184 --> 00:22:04,664 Speaker 2: the comments section of the video he posted, and he's like, 486 00:22:04,704 --> 00:22:07,504 Speaker 2: I meant it as a compliment. And then Meghan was like, well, 487 00:22:07,504 --> 00:22:09,544 Speaker 2: maybe we can chill on the body stuff. And then 488 00:22:09,624 --> 00:22:11,624 Speaker 2: Penn came back in and said, whoa, I've obviously been 489 00:22:11,744 --> 00:22:14,784 Speaker 2: very supportive and complimentary, but this feels like a trap. 490 00:22:15,224 --> 00:22:17,744 Speaker 2: And then she made a comment that he was acting 491 00:22:17,784 --> 00:22:20,384 Speaker 2: like his character Joe Goldberg, the serial Killer from you. 492 00:22:20,984 --> 00:22:22,504 Speaker 2: And then she was like, there you go again with 493 00:22:22,544 --> 00:22:25,184 Speaker 2: that trapping thing, because in the show he puts women 494 00:22:25,224 --> 00:22:28,184 Speaker 2: in cages of their murders them, which is hilariously cute. 495 00:22:28,224 --> 00:22:30,064 Speaker 2: And so this went back and forth for a while 496 00:22:30,144 --> 00:22:32,344 Speaker 2: and to the point where as you were saying, Megan 497 00:22:32,384 --> 00:22:35,984 Speaker 2: released her own video statement to this. Then Bagley decent, 498 00:22:36,344 --> 00:22:37,944 Speaker 2: if you're looking for a team move Pedro of. 499 00:22:37,904 --> 00:22:41,144 Speaker 1: Pascal, that is my favorite comeback ever. Just sorry that 500 00:22:41,184 --> 00:22:43,744 Speaker 1: it's just like such a sick burn. The t move 501 00:22:43,784 --> 00:22:47,744 Speaker 1: Pedro Pascal is such a great little like quip. Then 502 00:22:47,784 --> 00:22:50,064 Speaker 1: the people in the comments like, because of where the 503 00:22:50,104 --> 00:22:52,904 Speaker 1: first comment was, it was underneath, so it was like 504 00:22:53,104 --> 00:22:57,304 Speaker 1: in the replies and in between each reply is about 505 00:22:57,344 --> 00:23:01,504 Speaker 1: a million other people jumping in so quite discombobulating. 506 00:23:01,824 --> 00:23:03,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to go through as we just now 507 00:23:03,504 --> 00:23:05,384 Speaker 2: prep this is why we're journalists and stitch all the 508 00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:08,264 Speaker 2: comments together to kind of get their full feud, because. 509 00:23:08,064 --> 00:23:10,544 Speaker 1: There's in between people like, wait, what's going on? Is 510 00:23:10,584 --> 00:23:12,384 Speaker 1: this like too far? 511 00:23:12,504 --> 00:23:12,704 Speaker 2: Pen? 512 00:23:13,304 --> 00:23:15,824 Speaker 1: Mean, what is going on? Why is everyone so like? 513 00:23:15,864 --> 00:23:17,864 Speaker 1: People are so confused in the comment. 514 00:23:17,704 --> 00:23:20,184 Speaker 2: And people were angry at Pen mostly, And that's all 515 00:23:20,184 --> 00:23:22,184 Speaker 2: the headlines I saw, because it got picked up very 516 00:23:22,264 --> 00:23:25,744 Speaker 2: very quickly, and it started getting blasted across like people 517 00:23:25,824 --> 00:23:28,224 Speaker 2: making TikTok reaction videos to it, people posting it all 518 00:23:28,264 --> 00:23:31,104 Speaker 2: over their still Insta stories. Then outlets started picking it 519 00:23:31,184 --> 00:23:33,744 Speaker 2: up and everyone was like Pen badly, such a jerk, 520 00:23:33,864 --> 00:23:36,144 Speaker 2: Like he like took it an aim at Megan, fay him, 521 00:23:36,104 --> 00:23:38,344 Speaker 2: and we love her. And then she came back and 522 00:23:38,384 --> 00:23:40,304 Speaker 2: said this, and this whole story bubbled up that they 523 00:23:40,304 --> 00:23:43,664 Speaker 2: were having this very intense feud, which felt very weird 524 00:23:43,664 --> 00:23:45,744 Speaker 2: at the time, but also again because I was like 525 00:23:45,784 --> 00:23:47,344 Speaker 2: weely in the weeds of this one. It happened, I 526 00:23:47,344 --> 00:23:49,944 Speaker 2: saw it quite early, and I was like, I guess 527 00:23:49,944 --> 00:23:52,704 Speaker 2: they're having a feud. It felt so odd, but why 528 00:23:52,744 --> 00:23:54,824 Speaker 2: else would they be having this weird back and forth. 529 00:23:54,984 --> 00:23:56,384 Speaker 2: I do think they were having a feud. I more 530 00:23:56,424 --> 00:23:58,544 Speaker 2: thought at the time that he was putting that up 531 00:23:58,544 --> 00:24:00,304 Speaker 2: to be kind of cutesy because he just finished watching 532 00:24:00,384 --> 00:24:02,064 Speaker 2: her show and then they were having a bit of 533 00:24:02,064 --> 00:24:04,104 Speaker 2: a back and forth that was just meant to be 534 00:24:04,184 --> 00:24:06,584 Speaker 2: fun because Meghan Fay, he's like a little bit online 535 00:24:06,584 --> 00:24:08,184 Speaker 2: in that way as well, and she likes to sort 536 00:24:08,224 --> 00:24:11,024 Speaker 2: of have that like kind of quirky persona public. I mean, 537 00:24:11,024 --> 00:24:12,824 Speaker 2: she's lovely, we've had her on the Pod many times before, 538 00:24:12,864 --> 00:24:16,664 Speaker 2: but that seems very much in her vibe like acastick. 539 00:24:15,984 --> 00:24:18,264 Speaker 1: Kind like a bit of a you know, just giving 540 00:24:18,264 --> 00:24:20,144 Speaker 1: each other a bit of a ribbing, Like, yeah, very 541 00:24:20,264 --> 00:24:23,784 Speaker 1: kind of. But that's more like an Aussie or British thing. Yeah, 542 00:24:23,864 --> 00:24:26,504 Speaker 1: it's not really a very American thing to like take 543 00:24:26,544 --> 00:24:29,464 Speaker 1: digs at each other. Anyway, all of this to say 544 00:24:30,144 --> 00:24:33,784 Speaker 1: that we found out that this is actually just one 545 00:24:33,904 --> 00:24:35,864 Speaker 1: big fat publicity stunt. 546 00:24:35,704 --> 00:24:38,024 Speaker 2: Yes, because then it came out a mere day or 547 00:24:38,024 --> 00:24:39,704 Speaker 2: so later, So if you didn't even have that much 548 00:24:39,704 --> 00:24:43,384 Speaker 2: time to bubble over that this was all a setup, 549 00:24:43,544 --> 00:24:46,664 Speaker 2: because then photos came out of them filming their new 550 00:24:46,864 --> 00:24:48,344 Speaker 2: cutesy romcom movie together. 551 00:24:48,704 --> 00:24:51,344 Speaker 1: Yeah. So this new rom com is called You Deserve 552 00:24:51,384 --> 00:24:54,424 Speaker 1: each Other. So it's an adaptation of Sarah Hogle's best 553 00:24:54,464 --> 00:24:59,704 Speaker 1: selling twenty twenty novel, which is basically your classic lovers 554 00:25:00,064 --> 00:25:04,784 Speaker 1: to enemies to lovers story. You know, we've seen this this, 555 00:25:04,864 --> 00:25:08,184 Speaker 1: It's a pretty common Hollywood trope. They're filming this story, 556 00:25:08,224 --> 00:25:11,064 Speaker 1: so they've obviously done this to drum up public of 557 00:25:11,304 --> 00:25:13,464 Speaker 1: this show. That then before the. 558 00:25:13,344 --> 00:25:15,584 Speaker 2: First photos came out, because they were filming out in 559 00:25:15,624 --> 00:25:18,864 Speaker 2: the streets publicly, which means as pat photos everywhere. And 560 00:25:19,104 --> 00:25:21,544 Speaker 2: as soon as I saw it was a stunt for 561 00:25:21,624 --> 00:25:23,864 Speaker 2: their new movie and for their filming, I was just like, 562 00:25:24,544 --> 00:25:25,104 Speaker 2: I hate this. 563 00:25:25,704 --> 00:25:29,624 Speaker 1: I hate it really didn't land the way that I 564 00:25:29,664 --> 00:25:32,384 Speaker 1: think they thought it would. I think it would have 565 00:25:32,504 --> 00:25:36,864 Speaker 1: worked better if there wasn't so many comments in between, 566 00:25:37,544 --> 00:25:41,504 Speaker 1: because it made it so confusing that it was just 567 00:25:41,624 --> 00:25:44,344 Speaker 1: so all over the shop, and I think people were 568 00:25:44,424 --> 00:25:46,784 Speaker 1: just really confuse because it was out of character for 569 00:25:46,824 --> 00:25:50,024 Speaker 1: Penn Padjuley to behave that way. He's generally quite liked. 570 00:25:50,584 --> 00:25:53,384 Speaker 1: I don't know if you like him. I'm getting toy, 571 00:25:54,424 --> 00:25:57,664 Speaker 1: but he like his podcast is super popular. Ye, like 572 00:25:57,784 --> 00:26:00,104 Speaker 1: he's you was one of the biggest shows on Netflix, 573 00:26:00,144 --> 00:26:02,304 Speaker 1: Like he's generally well liked. 574 00:26:02,344 --> 00:26:04,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I don't have any personal beef with him. 575 00:26:04,464 --> 00:26:06,504 Speaker 2: And look, I'm trying not to hold things that he 576 00:26:06,584 --> 00:26:09,064 Speaker 2: said as like a very young actor to like where 577 00:26:09,064 --> 00:26:11,464 Speaker 2: he is now. But he was always one of those actors, 578 00:26:11,504 --> 00:26:13,544 Speaker 2: especially when he first got on Gossip Girl, being like 579 00:26:13,824 --> 00:26:16,304 Speaker 2: I'm better than this, like I'm a true actor who 580 00:26:16,384 --> 00:26:19,664 Speaker 2: even cares about Hollywood bullshit. Everyone who watches Gossip Girl 581 00:26:19,704 --> 00:26:22,544 Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing, but I slightly everyone watches Gossip Girls like 582 00:26:22,544 --> 00:26:24,104 Speaker 2: a bit of an idiot, Like, and he would go 583 00:26:24,184 --> 00:26:26,464 Speaker 2: to protests and things, and which I understand, like he's 584 00:26:26,464 --> 00:26:29,144 Speaker 2: got a very kind of like activist background to him, 585 00:26:29,424 --> 00:26:30,944 Speaker 2: and he would go to things and then be like, well, 586 00:26:30,984 --> 00:26:32,544 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be on like fucking gossip Girl, I might 587 00:26:32,584 --> 00:26:35,104 Speaker 2: as well do something with it, and is very much 588 00:26:35,144 --> 00:26:37,784 Speaker 2: like over the years has been that kind of like 589 00:26:37,984 --> 00:26:39,544 Speaker 2: I'm just here to be an actor, like I'm not 590 00:26:39,624 --> 00:26:42,664 Speaker 2: even about this fame life, but then does the podcast 591 00:26:42,744 --> 00:26:45,864 Speaker 2: and does stunts like this, yeah, and does tiktoks and 592 00:26:46,304 --> 00:26:48,864 Speaker 2: is also really shamy of women who are like love 593 00:26:48,944 --> 00:26:50,744 Speaker 2: his character Joe in you, which I get. 594 00:26:50,824 --> 00:26:52,784 Speaker 1: I'm getting the sense that you think he's a bit pretentious. 595 00:26:52,904 --> 00:26:54,584 Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. I think it's pretentious. 596 00:26:54,624 --> 00:26:56,944 Speaker 1: Okay, so I understand that, but it is weird that 597 00:26:56,984 --> 00:26:59,344 Speaker 1: people from that we're watching you with like obsessed props. 598 00:26:59,344 --> 00:27:00,864 Speaker 2: I do I agree with that. I want to say, 599 00:27:00,944 --> 00:27:03,584 Speaker 2: it's just I want to like him, because you know, 600 00:27:03,624 --> 00:27:05,264 Speaker 2: I'm a big Gossip Girl fan. I just am like, 601 00:27:05,264 --> 00:27:06,664 Speaker 2: I know it's a basical you feel a shoe, but 602 00:27:06,704 --> 00:27:09,424 Speaker 2: I love it. I feel personally attacked and yeah, like 603 00:27:09,504 --> 00:27:11,864 Speaker 2: that's not a great show, but it is what it is. 604 00:27:12,384 --> 00:27:14,664 Speaker 2: And you're not better than that, sir, especially because now 605 00:27:14,664 --> 00:27:17,024 Speaker 2: you spend all your time making tiktoks and things to 606 00:27:17,024 --> 00:27:19,144 Speaker 2: go with your podcast. If you are an actor, you 607 00:27:19,184 --> 00:27:22,064 Speaker 2: wouldn't be doing that. And again, just if you want 608 00:27:22,064 --> 00:27:25,264 Speaker 2: to be a pretty boy Hollywood actor, be that. Don't 609 00:27:25,304 --> 00:27:28,704 Speaker 2: shame us for it. Jesus Christ. Anyway, you're coming into 610 00:27:28,824 --> 00:27:29,944 Speaker 2: this with a bit of back, I know. 611 00:27:30,104 --> 00:27:33,304 Speaker 1: Okay, So I think that I'm just getting the sense here, 612 00:27:33,384 --> 00:27:35,664 Speaker 1: Lord that you're not the biggest kind of badly fan. 613 00:27:36,224 --> 00:27:39,504 Speaker 1: I guess my point is, yeah, despite your feelings about 614 00:27:39,584 --> 00:27:43,784 Speaker 1: him that are potentially rooted in some deep scene love 615 00:27:43,824 --> 00:27:47,264 Speaker 1: of Gossip Girl that you feel shamed by this pretentious actor. 616 00:27:47,664 --> 00:27:52,104 Speaker 1: This is going back decades now, despite that generally his 617 00:27:52,344 --> 00:27:54,744 Speaker 1: vibe has not been nasty. So I think this came 618 00:27:54,944 --> 00:27:57,904 Speaker 1: so out of character. And also Meghan Fahy is. 619 00:27:58,424 --> 00:28:00,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not a funny woman. 620 00:28:00,464 --> 00:28:05,664 Speaker 1: Again, not really in character for her to be like, yeah, confrontational. 621 00:28:05,064 --> 00:28:07,504 Speaker 2: Or confrontational in the comments of an Instagram post. I 622 00:28:07,584 --> 00:28:10,064 Speaker 2: just think that this just felt very desperate and tone 623 00:28:10,104 --> 00:28:12,024 Speaker 2: deaf to me. Again, not that I care. They had 624 00:28:12,064 --> 00:28:14,344 Speaker 2: a fake fight, like every movie has some sort of 625 00:28:14,384 --> 00:28:17,624 Speaker 2: press thing around like this, I just felt badly handled 626 00:28:17,664 --> 00:28:20,304 Speaker 2: to me and felt really cheap. The thing is, if 627 00:28:20,464 --> 00:28:23,264 Speaker 2: they hadn't done this prank, they would still be getting 628 00:28:23,304 --> 00:28:24,984 Speaker 2: a lot of pressed for this movie. Also, they're only 629 00:28:25,024 --> 00:28:26,664 Speaker 2: filming the movie. It's going to be at least two 630 00:28:26,704 --> 00:28:29,264 Speaker 2: years to a year before it comes out, Like this 631 00:28:29,344 --> 00:28:31,384 Speaker 2: is the kind of stunt you do like leading up 632 00:28:31,424 --> 00:28:33,984 Speaker 2: to the movie coming out, not the day before you 633 00:28:34,024 --> 00:28:36,264 Speaker 2: start filming. And I also think that like they've both 634 00:28:36,264 --> 00:28:39,664 Speaker 2: been on huge shows, they have huge fandoms. If photos 635 00:28:39,704 --> 00:28:42,024 Speaker 2: had come out of them filming a beautiful little rom 636 00:28:42,024 --> 00:28:44,664 Speaker 2: com together that would have been the story. We would 637 00:28:44,664 --> 00:28:47,264 Speaker 2: have done a really cute little update on that on 638 00:28:47,304 --> 00:28:49,384 Speaker 2: the pod, and so everyone's just like, oh, get out of. 639 00:28:49,344 --> 00:28:51,864 Speaker 1: Here, okay. So the thing is about this movie is 640 00:28:51,984 --> 00:28:54,144 Speaker 1: I mean, I love a rom com. I'm a massive 641 00:28:54,224 --> 00:28:54,904 Speaker 1: room com fan. 642 00:28:55,064 --> 00:28:55,264 Speaker 2: Yeah. 643 00:28:55,344 --> 00:28:57,904 Speaker 1: Same, I will watch basically anything. I don't care how 644 00:28:57,984 --> 00:28:59,984 Speaker 1: cheesy it is. I don't care how trophy it is. 645 00:29:00,024 --> 00:29:00,504 Speaker 1: I love it. 646 00:29:00,664 --> 00:29:03,304 Speaker 2: And the best trope of all time in my professional 647 00:29:03,344 --> 00:29:06,664 Speaker 2: and personal opinion is Enemies to Lovers, which they are doing. 648 00:29:06,904 --> 00:29:09,744 Speaker 2: So we didn't need this, it was already there. It's classic. 649 00:29:09,784 --> 00:29:12,304 Speaker 1: But the direct of the film is Mark Silverstein and 650 00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:14,824 Speaker 1: Abby Cone and this is the thing behind the romantic comedies. 651 00:29:14,824 --> 00:29:17,104 Speaker 1: Have never been kissed and he's just not that into you. 652 00:29:17,344 --> 00:29:20,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, they ever been kissed. No, this is a great duo. 653 00:29:20,384 --> 00:29:22,544 Speaker 2: I weirdly know so much about them because Mark Silverstein 654 00:29:22,664 --> 00:29:25,984 Speaker 2: is Busy Phillips as ex husband, and so I weirdly 655 00:29:26,064 --> 00:29:27,704 Speaker 2: like know a lot about them through like her book 656 00:29:27,744 --> 00:29:29,624 Speaker 2: and her podcast and her Instagram stories. And they also 657 00:29:29,664 --> 00:29:32,104 Speaker 2: did I Feel Pretty with Amy Schumer, which got absolutely panned. 658 00:29:32,224 --> 00:29:35,624 Speaker 2: Actually I really liked it. I to say I put 659 00:29:35,624 --> 00:29:37,504 Speaker 2: it on the record. Amy Schumer DM to me and 660 00:29:37,544 --> 00:29:38,944 Speaker 2: like thank you for being the only person to say it, 661 00:29:38,984 --> 00:29:40,904 Speaker 2: And I'm like, Amy, I stand by it. We had 662 00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:43,584 Speaker 2: a thing. But I think that this duo is like 663 00:29:43,664 --> 00:29:46,064 Speaker 2: quite well known for making really great movies. This is 664 00:29:46,064 --> 00:29:48,264 Speaker 2: what I mean. All the pieces of the puzzle were there. 665 00:29:48,344 --> 00:29:51,184 Speaker 2: Why are we like muddying the waters with this weird 666 00:29:51,224 --> 00:29:51,904 Speaker 2: little stunt. 667 00:29:52,144 --> 00:29:54,344 Speaker 1: Okay, so we actually didn't even explain what the movie's about. 668 00:29:54,384 --> 00:29:57,984 Speaker 1: It's basically the two of them are getting married, but 669 00:29:58,104 --> 00:30:00,624 Speaker 1: they hate each other, but they're just going ahead with 670 00:30:00,664 --> 00:30:04,184 Speaker 1: it because it's really expensive to cancel a wedding. 671 00:30:04,304 --> 00:30:05,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, which. 672 00:30:06,984 --> 00:30:09,344 Speaker 1: We have discussed. 673 00:30:09,904 --> 00:30:12,184 Speaker 2: It's a real guys, it happens to a lot of people. 674 00:30:12,464 --> 00:30:14,544 Speaker 1: It is something that does happen. 675 00:30:14,824 --> 00:30:17,024 Speaker 2: I love the promise exactly. It's fun. 676 00:30:17,304 --> 00:30:20,264 Speaker 1: You know, it's got all of the hallmarks of a 677 00:30:20,264 --> 00:30:24,224 Speaker 1: successful rom PM. But it probably didn't need this. It's 678 00:30:24,304 --> 00:30:26,464 Speaker 1: kind of given it a bit of a sour taste, 679 00:30:26,544 --> 00:30:29,464 Speaker 1: particularly when the movie's quite far away from being released. 680 00:30:30,464 --> 00:30:33,144 Speaker 1: But I think I still watch it. 681 00:30:33,304 --> 00:30:34,944 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll watch the hell out of this movie. 682 00:30:35,024 --> 00:30:36,424 Speaker 2: That's not my issue here. It just felt like a 683 00:30:36,424 --> 00:30:38,384 Speaker 2: weird way to launch it. And I think there's like 684 00:30:38,464 --> 00:30:40,784 Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of fatigue over these kind of 685 00:30:40,864 --> 00:30:43,184 Speaker 2: stunts if they're not done the right way. I mean, 686 00:30:43,704 --> 00:30:46,304 Speaker 2: obviously anyone, but you kind of pulled it off because 687 00:30:46,304 --> 00:30:48,224 Speaker 2: that movie made so much money that it wouldn't have 688 00:30:48,384 --> 00:30:52,104 Speaker 2: if he didn't have the gunpower Sydney Sweeney's situation, even 689 00:30:52,144 --> 00:30:54,184 Speaker 2: a little Bit with a Star is Born. I mean, 690 00:30:54,264 --> 00:30:56,784 Speaker 2: that movie's been remade like eight times already, and it 691 00:30:56,904 --> 00:30:59,504 Speaker 2: still felt a bit fresh in the press cycle when 692 00:30:59,544 --> 00:31:02,584 Speaker 2: Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga did it, because everyone thought 693 00:31:02,624 --> 00:31:06,224 Speaker 2: they were together, and you kind of do need your 694 00:31:06,264 --> 00:31:09,864 Speaker 2: two stars to have something going on in the press 695 00:31:10,584 --> 00:31:13,264 Speaker 2: lead up to a movie that gets people in, even 696 00:31:13,304 --> 00:31:16,384 Speaker 2: like with like recently with The Materialists with Dakota Johnson, 697 00:31:16,464 --> 00:31:20,744 Speaker 2: Pedro Pascal and Chris Evans. Obviously like one of them 698 00:31:20,784 --> 00:31:23,424 Speaker 2: never talks about his relationship. One of them, Dakota Johnson 699 00:31:23,424 --> 00:31:25,864 Speaker 2: had just broken up allegedly with her long term love. 700 00:31:26,424 --> 00:31:29,224 Speaker 2: Chris is newly married. They couldn't have like a love 701 00:31:29,264 --> 00:31:32,184 Speaker 2: triangle going on there, but they had like this kind 702 00:31:32,224 --> 00:31:35,464 Speaker 2: of like fake buddy, but we're like calling up Pedro 703 00:31:35,584 --> 00:31:37,024 Speaker 2: kind of thing going on. Like you've got to have 704 00:31:37,064 --> 00:31:39,424 Speaker 2: that little kind of I think being in the lead 705 00:31:39,504 --> 00:31:40,864 Speaker 2: up to it to make people care. 706 00:31:40,784 --> 00:31:44,704 Speaker 1: And as people who watch pop culture, it is so 707 00:31:44,784 --> 00:31:48,064 Speaker 1: important to us to think that the people who are 708 00:31:48,064 --> 00:31:51,384 Speaker 1: in these shows of friends like yeah. For example, Everyone 709 00:31:51,464 --> 00:31:55,024 Speaker 1: and Friends is like, are you actually friends? Spice Girls? Yeah, 710 00:31:55,064 --> 00:31:57,624 Speaker 1: we want to think that they have a relationship because 711 00:31:57,944 --> 00:32:01,944 Speaker 1: we want to extend our disbelief of these characters that 712 00:32:01,984 --> 00:32:04,624 Speaker 1: they've created and think that it could go beyond that. 713 00:32:04,904 --> 00:32:08,864 Speaker 1: Particularly when chemistry on screen is really strong, it's so 714 00:32:08,944 --> 00:32:12,184 Speaker 1: hard to ignore that. For example, Angelina Dollie brad Pitt 715 00:32:12,224 --> 00:32:14,584 Speaker 1: in Mister and Missus Smith, you could see the chemistry 716 00:32:14,584 --> 00:32:17,224 Speaker 1: so clearly on there, and they were actually still being 717 00:32:17,264 --> 00:32:20,224 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. But it's so important to people to 718 00:32:20,264 --> 00:32:22,944 Speaker 1: be able to see that chemistry off screen as well. 719 00:32:23,344 --> 00:32:26,184 Speaker 1: I think that's why a lot of publicists lean into 720 00:32:26,224 --> 00:32:26,944 Speaker 1: that so heavily. 721 00:32:27,104 --> 00:32:29,864 Speaker 2: So much Now it's so interesting because these kind of 722 00:32:29,864 --> 00:32:32,864 Speaker 2: gimmicky press cycles used to be really frowned upon, and 723 00:32:32,904 --> 00:32:34,664 Speaker 2: it was all about like the lead up of the 724 00:32:34,784 --> 00:32:37,344 Speaker 2: trailer and like the big glossy magazine covers and the 725 00:32:37,384 --> 00:32:40,704 Speaker 2: in depth interview sharing their trauma. And now what I've 726 00:32:40,704 --> 00:32:42,464 Speaker 2: really realized is like, because I'm in the middle of 727 00:32:42,464 --> 00:32:45,184 Speaker 2: like bidding for some really big interviews for big, big 728 00:32:45,184 --> 00:32:47,184 Speaker 2: movies that are coming out, And it used to be 729 00:32:47,264 --> 00:32:50,584 Speaker 2: like no personal questions, which is still the case, no gimmicks, 730 00:32:50,624 --> 00:32:52,904 Speaker 2: no games. It's just about the movie has to be 731 00:32:52,984 --> 00:32:56,344 Speaker 2: really serious. And now all the things I'm getting about, 732 00:32:56,384 --> 00:32:58,344 Speaker 2: do you want to interview this huge movie star? Can 733 00:32:58,384 --> 00:33:00,104 Speaker 2: you send through like the three games you want to 734 00:33:00,104 --> 00:33:02,544 Speaker 2: play with them? The three? Yeah, the three. They just 735 00:33:02,584 --> 00:33:04,784 Speaker 2: want to go really quirky. They want to go really fun. 736 00:33:05,184 --> 00:33:06,584 Speaker 1: It's because they want to go viral. 737 00:33:06,664 --> 00:33:08,664 Speaker 2: They want to go viral because they kind of feel 738 00:33:08,664 --> 00:33:10,984 Speaker 2: like because the way people view movies, everyone's like, oh 739 00:33:10,984 --> 00:33:13,584 Speaker 2: wait for streaming. If they want to get people into 740 00:33:13,624 --> 00:33:15,864 Speaker 2: the cinemas or even to watch on that first weekend 741 00:33:15,864 --> 00:33:18,784 Speaker 2: of streaming, they want those really gimmicky press cycles, which 742 00:33:18,824 --> 00:33:19,504 Speaker 2: is such a term. 743 00:33:19,704 --> 00:33:21,544 Speaker 1: Do you know what I think the reason for that 744 00:33:21,704 --> 00:33:24,784 Speaker 1: shift is is the way that we consume media is 745 00:33:24,784 --> 00:33:28,824 Speaker 1: that so many people consume media through TikTok, and they 746 00:33:29,024 --> 00:33:32,104 Speaker 1: consume it through these little clips. So when it's something 747 00:33:32,184 --> 00:33:34,264 Speaker 1: like fun and interesting, they're going to get more press 748 00:33:34,344 --> 00:33:37,584 Speaker 1: for it rather than the same basic five questions that 749 00:33:37,624 --> 00:33:40,624 Speaker 1: we know and I both know what It's like when 750 00:33:40,624 --> 00:33:43,664 Speaker 1: you go into a press junkert, you've got five minutes. 751 00:33:44,384 --> 00:33:45,864 Speaker 1: You need to create a story out of it, so 752 00:33:45,864 --> 00:33:48,184 Speaker 1: you're going to have to ask you five basic questions 753 00:33:48,184 --> 00:33:52,304 Speaker 1: that every single other journalist behind you has asked, because 754 00:33:52,704 --> 00:33:54,624 Speaker 1: you need to get a story out there. Back when 755 00:33:54,664 --> 00:33:56,184 Speaker 1: I was doing it, it was like I needed to 756 00:33:56,224 --> 00:34:01,184 Speaker 1: get a coherent yeah, so I had to ask those 757 00:34:01,264 --> 00:34:04,224 Speaker 1: questions to be able to shape a story rather than 758 00:34:04,304 --> 00:34:07,624 Speaker 1: doing like really random interesting questions that wouldn't create a 759 00:34:07,664 --> 00:34:11,024 Speaker 1: package that I needed. But it's interesting that Publicis has 760 00:34:11,104 --> 00:34:12,984 Speaker 1: kind of flipped on that a little bit. Yeah, it 761 00:34:13,104 --> 00:34:14,944 Speaker 1: really wasn't that long ago exactly. 762 00:34:15,144 --> 00:34:17,744 Speaker 2: No, No, it feels like a recent shift. And that's why 763 00:34:17,744 --> 00:34:19,904 Speaker 2: I feel like now movies, instead of doing the gimmicks 764 00:34:19,944 --> 00:34:23,224 Speaker 2: in the press tour, now they're doing the gimmicks pre filming, 765 00:34:23,824 --> 00:34:25,864 Speaker 2: which this is kind of the first time we've seen 766 00:34:25,904 --> 00:34:29,064 Speaker 2: it almost this early, even like back when Blake Lively 767 00:34:29,104 --> 00:34:31,464 Speaker 2: was doing like the first rounds of press for a 768 00:34:31,504 --> 00:34:34,024 Speaker 2: simple favor, and just before the movie came out, she 769 00:34:34,264 --> 00:34:38,024 Speaker 2: deleted her whole Instagram feed and only followed women who 770 00:34:38,064 --> 00:34:40,464 Speaker 2: had the same name as her movie character. And even 771 00:34:40,504 --> 00:34:43,304 Speaker 2: that felt like really bizarre because people were like, oh, 772 00:34:43,304 --> 00:34:45,944 Speaker 2: it's too much or it's not pointing to the movie enough. 773 00:34:46,064 --> 00:34:47,744 Speaker 2: But then it did work to get people to see 774 00:34:47,744 --> 00:34:50,664 Speaker 2: the movie. So but again not pre filming, but I 775 00:34:50,664 --> 00:34:52,704 Speaker 2: think we're going to start seeing a lot more of this. Yeah, 776 00:34:53,464 --> 00:34:54,184 Speaker 2: I'm exhausted. 777 00:34:54,744 --> 00:34:57,704 Speaker 1: It didn't quite land, and I think you and I 778 00:34:57,744 --> 00:35:00,184 Speaker 1: are just both a little bit disappointed. But I'm still 779 00:35:00,184 --> 00:35:01,424 Speaker 1: excited for the movie, but it's. 780 00:35:02,864 --> 00:35:04,744 Speaker 2: Without the Yeah, I'll be excited in a year and 781 00:35:04,784 --> 00:35:07,264 Speaker 2: a half when this movie comes out. So yeah, we're 782 00:35:07,264 --> 00:35:08,984 Speaker 2: still going to see it. But I just think everyone 783 00:35:09,144 --> 00:35:11,264 Speaker 2: maybe pull back on the gim this early in the 784 00:35:11,264 --> 00:35:11,744 Speaker 2: press wrong. 785 00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:13,464 Speaker 1: I don't know where it's being released, but it does 786 00:35:13,504 --> 00:35:15,464 Speaker 1: feel like a straight to Netflix rom com. 787 00:35:15,304 --> 00:35:15,904 Speaker 2: Which I love. 788 00:35:16,264 --> 00:35:18,584 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to The Spill today, guys, 789 00:35:18,584 --> 00:35:20,624 Speaker 1: and we've got some exciting news. We have a new 790 00:35:20,664 --> 00:35:26,464 Speaker 1: little podcast pop in your feeds with your daily entertainment headlines. 791 00:35:26,664 --> 00:35:30,224 Speaker 1: Morning Tea drops right here in this feed eight am 792 00:35:30,264 --> 00:35:34,424 Speaker 1: Monday through Thursday. 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