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Speaker 1: Welcome to the cs THEA podcast. Busy and happy not
Speaker 1: the same thing. We too rarely question what makes the
Speaker 1: heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but rarely we play,
Speaker 1: and often don't realize there's more than one way. So
Speaker 1: this is a platform to hear and explore the stories
Speaker 1: of those who found lives they adore, the good, bad
Speaker 1: and ugly, The best and worst day will bear all
Speaker 1: the facets of seizing your Yeay. I'm Sarah Davidson or
Speaker 1: a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned fu entrepreneur who
Speaker 1: swapped the suits and heels to co found Matcha Maiden
Speaker 1: and matcha Milk Bark. CZA is a series of conversations
Speaker 1: on finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge,
Speaker 1: joy and fulfillment along the way. Hello, lovely yighborhood. My goodness,
Speaker 1: it's been a big few weeks over here, and my
Speaker 1: brain is a little scattered trying to catch up which
Speaker 1: you might actually hear in this episode. Pretty sure I
Speaker 1: fumbled my way through this one a little bit. But
Speaker 1: we're back with our regular programming and I'm delighted to
Speaker 1: have the beautiful and buds here. Just days after the
Speaker 1: launch of her very first business. You might know Anna
Speaker 1: from Australia's first ever season of The Bachelor, which screened
Speaker 1: get these ten years ago this year, or from Sas Australia,
Speaker 1: which she is tearing up it is screening right now.
Speaker 1: Having never had a proper boyfriend, Anna was originally signed
Speaker 1: up for Batschi by a friend, but left with her
Speaker 1: now husband and baby daddy, Tim Robarts, who was our
Speaker 1: fifth guest ever on the show back in October twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: and they've both come so far in the past decade.
Speaker 1: Anna is, however, so much more than a reality TV star,
Speaker 1: starting out as a successful criminal lawyer, a chapter of
Speaker 1: her career that she only just closed officially last year,
Speaker 1: despite shooting to fame in the early days of social media.
Speaker 1: You'll hear what is strong and balanced head Anna has
Speaker 1: on her shoulders, meaning much of her real life, including motherhood,
Speaker 1: over the past decade, has stayed quite private. You'll get
Speaker 1: to know her a little bitter here. I hope and
Speaker 1: the path YEA led her into launching into wellness, debooing
Speaker 1: with a sleep and skin renewal, a new superpowder and
Speaker 1: the perfect nightcap to target those overstimulated multitaskers who want
Speaker 1: to wake up re energized and with hydrated, youthful looking skin.
Speaker 1: Pretty sure it's made just for me. I hope you
Speaker 1: guys enjoy this one as much as I did. Anna Robarts,
Speaker 1: welcome to see Cza.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 2: It's so nice that you called me robots because I've
Speaker 2: actually changed my name on all my documents, but I
Speaker 2: haven't changed my Instagram. So everyone calls me Ana Heinrich
Speaker 2: all the time, and I'm like, okay, I really need
Speaker 2: to change my Instagram. And my husband is like, can
Speaker 2: you please change your Instagram.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'll get there. I'll get there. It takes
Speaker 3: ten seconds, but I just keep like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Such an emotional thing, isn't it. It's like you've been
Speaker 1: called one thing your whole life, and then I felt
Speaker 1: like Instagram was my first thing I changed. Well, actually
Speaker 1: I didn't even need to change my Instagram name, but
Speaker 1: I changed my bio because I thought like that was
Speaker 1: the least procedurally thing to do. I love that you've
Speaker 1: done the hard stuff first.
Speaker 2: I've done like everything like I and I always wanted
Speaker 2: to change my name. But then there's something just holding,
Speaker 2: like I'm holding onto that Instagram. But then it's it
Speaker 2: does get difficult when I'm like, I kind of want
Speaker 2: to be a Robards and I am a Robards now,
Speaker 2: but because so many people know me and anything that
Speaker 2: comes out it's always Heinrich. So I'm like going to
Speaker 2: just gradually like change my Instagram eventually and then kind
Speaker 2: of transition. So I just yeah, I love my Heinrich name,
Speaker 2: but then I'm like, I'm a Robards now.
Speaker 1: So you've done like a soft launch and now you're
Speaker 1: getting ready for the hard launch exactly. And there's been
Speaker 1: another very very exciting launch I think just a few
Speaker 1: days ago that we're going to get into. But before
Speaker 1: we kick off, as you probably already know, I start
Speaker 1: by asking everyone what the most down to earth thing
Speaker 1: is about them to break through that often really glossy
Speaker 1: surface of our identities. And as you mentioned, people often
Speaker 1: come to an interview with you already having an idea
Speaker 1: of your story or bits and pieces of sort of
Speaker 1: who you are, but it's off and the very polished
Speaker 1: exterior and not the reality of a mom who's just
Speaker 1: started a new business, who has so much going on
Speaker 1: by in the scene, So what would you.
Speaker 2: Say, Yeah, I had vomit all over me the other
Speaker 2: day right before our launch. It was literally just vomit.
Speaker 2: She vomited twice, and then I sent a pit to
Speaker 2: my business partner. I was just like, this is my morning,
Speaker 2: literally all over. I had to have a quick shower,
Speaker 2: wash my hair. So yeah, it's definitely not always polished.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the most reassuring thing as well
Speaker 1: for lots of people to know, especially other moms. You know,
Speaker 1: it just sometimes seems like I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: But it's like people who are you know, out in
Speaker 1: the media are and just so glamorous and beautifully put together.
Speaker 1: You always look so incredible. It's hard to imagine you
Speaker 1: with vomit all over you. But it's nice to know
Speaker 1: what happens.
Speaker 2: I also know, like sometimes in my head, I'm like
Speaker 2: do I post that. I'm like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: post everything about my life, like I like keeping things
Speaker 2: and all those things go on, And then sometimes I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: should I post it to show like what's.
Speaker 3: Actually going on.
Speaker 2: So I do find it difficult about like how much
Speaker 2: I share with people because I love Instagram. It's helped
Speaker 2: me so like with work everything, But at the same time,
Speaker 2: like I feel like I've got like a totally different
Speaker 2: life off Instagram. Like I'm not saying I'm a different person,
Speaker 2: but I've just got so much going on where I'm
Speaker 2: like with family, when we have like beautiful nights and
Speaker 2: dinner nights, I'm like, I want to put my phone away.
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to like take a picture
Speaker 2: of every meal I have or everything in my life
Speaker 2: that happens, because I don't want it to be all
Speaker 2: on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I think it's a really fine line between
Speaker 1: wanting to be really authentic and showing all the sides
Speaker 1: of yourself, but then also deserving to have a part
Speaker 1: of your life that's really private, and that also you
Speaker 1: don't need to have your phone there with you. You've
Speaker 1: got a little girl, I'm sure you don't want her
Speaker 1: to see you always with a phone attached to your hand,
Speaker 1: even though I'm sure you want millions of photos of
Speaker 1: every single thing she does because she's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I know it is that fine line because and nowadays
Speaker 2: we work on our phone, like half the time I'm
Speaker 2: doing my emails, like sometimes at ten o'clock at night
Speaker 2: and I'm doing emails and It is really hard because
Speaker 2: it's not like I'm just sitting on Instagram scrolling or
Speaker 2: anything like that. There are times when I do that,
Speaker 2: for sure, but most of the time I'm like trying
Speaker 2: to work email. So when I don't have to do that,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just want to put it away. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it is, but it's finding out fine line of like
Speaker 2: giving her enough tention and getting away from the phone,
Speaker 2: but also making sure you're keeping up to date with
Speaker 2: all your work.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, and that brings me to you know, just
Speaker 1: talking about work and the balance, and also what you
Speaker 1: do now being so different to where you started, brings
Speaker 1: it to our first section, which is your Wayta and Tim,
Speaker 1: your husband has been on the show. I think he
Speaker 1: was our fifth episode ever. And I think you might
Speaker 1: have still been a lawyer when I rocked up at
Speaker 1: your original apartment together to record with him, and you
Speaker 1: were dashing out the door to go and do something
Speaker 1: in your corporate life back then. So it's yeah, so
Speaker 1: beautiful to sort of have come, you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of years later, and then circle back. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I use the word circle back, but
Speaker 1: mentioning law just made it just brought out the inner
Speaker 1: corporate meet. Yeah. I love sort of tracing back from
Speaker 1: even childhood. Remind everyone that, you know, no one really
Speaker 1: starts out knowing who they want to be or what
Speaker 1: they want to do, and it often takes quite a
Speaker 1: few different chapter and many of them unexpected to sort
Speaker 1: of end up where you are today. So can you
Speaker 1: take us back to very young you what you were
Speaker 1: like as a child. I know that you have a
Speaker 1: really beautiful Hungarian heritage that again often kind of gets
Speaker 1: skated over in a lot of the media stories. But
Speaker 1: your mum also has Jude's food, like it's a whole
Speaker 1: family affair. So take us back to your childhood and
Speaker 1: where it all began.
Speaker 2: So I actually grew up in a country town called Golban.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know where that is. It's
Speaker 2: like an hour from Canberra. And I think that's probably
Speaker 2: going back to the first question about what I believe
Speaker 2: is something that's quite down to earth about me. And
Speaker 2: I always tell this to people because I actually really
Speaker 2: loved that I grew up in Golben and a country
Speaker 2: town away from Sydney, away from the city, and I
Speaker 2: felt like it really grounded me and I went to
Speaker 2: like well and Dilly Public School and just like my
Speaker 2: friends were totally different. Then I went to boarding school
Speaker 2: when I was in Sydney, and the school I went
Speaker 2: to it's completely different. But I'm really glad I started
Speaker 2: in Golburn, in a country town. I definitely, like I said,
Speaker 2: I think it really grounded me. Then I ended up going
Speaker 2: to boarding school in Sydney, and I loved boarding school.
Speaker 2: I started out, I think I was pretty good, but
Speaker 2: I was probably a little bit naughty. And then as
Speaker 2: I as the years went on, I probably got a
Speaker 2: little bit, I don't know, probably cleaned my act up
Speaker 2: a little bit. And when I say that, I was like,
Speaker 2: I wasn't really naughty. And then like leaving school, I
Speaker 2: had no idea what I wanted to do. I actually
Speaker 2: really loved sport. Sport was like, if you can even
Speaker 2: call it a subject, it was my favorite subject. And
Speaker 2: all I wanted to do is play sport. I was
Speaker 2: a really good runner. I loved hockey, touch football, like
Speaker 2: all those sort of more physical sports, and I loved it.
Speaker 2: So I always thought maybe I'd go into sports management
Speaker 2: or something like that. So when I left, I kind
Speaker 2: of wanted to go into that, but I just I
Speaker 2: didn't know even really where to start. So I, like
Speaker 2: a lot of people, I did an arts degree. I
Speaker 2: did that at Sydney UNI, and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, I'm going to do it.
Speaker 2: And honestly, it's probably like fifty ucs and people after
Speaker 2: school if I don't.
Speaker 3: Know what they want to do, like, they're like, I'll
Speaker 3: go do arts. And I did it.
Speaker 2: I took a year off after and I went traveling,
Speaker 2: and then I did three years at Sydney UNI arts
Speaker 2: degree and then once again after that, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm here at this point and I still don't know
Speaker 2: what I want to do, and it kind of scared me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, maybe I'll just continue studying.
Speaker 2: But like what And my dad was a lawyer and
Speaker 2: he's only just retired last year, and he'd been a
Speaker 2: lawyer it was like thirty six years or something like
Speaker 2: that when he retired. And it wasn't because he did it,
Speaker 2: and he never forced me to do it, but I
Speaker 2: think it was just kind of like at the forefront
Speaker 2: of my mind, I was like, oh, look, maybe i'd
Speaker 2: be interested in doing that. So I did actually a
Speaker 2: couple of subjects on the side, and I quite enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, well maybe I'll go and
Speaker 2: do law, which randomly I'll go, I'll go do law.
Speaker 1: So sure as we do, I'll just go do it.
Speaker 2: And then I did a postgrad law degree at UTS
Speaker 2: and I finished, and I actually throughout that I pretty much.
Speaker 3: Most time I was like, I'm not going to do law.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to use that as a stepping stone
Speaker 2: because I feel like I could do whatever after I've
Speaker 2: done a law degree once again, like so many people
Speaker 2: out there who've done an arts scree, done a law degree.
Speaker 2: And I got to the end and I got my
Speaker 2: practicing certificate and I started at a firm who then
Speaker 2: wanted me to stay on, and I pretty much had
Speaker 2: been there since finishing and being admitted as a lawyer
Speaker 2: up until this year when I finally didn't renew my
Speaker 2: practicing certificate, but saying that I wasn't a.
Speaker 3: Full time lawyer for most of it.
Speaker 2: I literally was the first couple of years, and then
Speaker 2: I ended up going on the Bachelor, and then after
Speaker 2: that I had so much going on, so I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: every second day I was going into my boss, It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: can I take another day off.
Speaker 3: I got this, and I felt.
Speaker 2: Like really guilty, and I hated doing that because I
Speaker 2: didn't like to let my boss down. And I'm not
Speaker 2: one of these people that like to have sick days either,
Speaker 2: Like I feel really guilty, and I'm like, I go
Speaker 2: to work and if I meant to be there, I'm there.
Speaker 2: And so it kind of got quite stressful going in
Speaker 2: all the time going I've got this, I've got this
Speaker 2: event of got this work. Can I take another day off?
Speaker 2: So gradually, as time went on, I was like working
Speaker 2: four days and three days, and then over the last
Speaker 2: couple of years it was pretty much one day. But
Speaker 2: it was quite nice because I felt like I'd just
Speaker 2: break up everything that I was doing around it, and
Speaker 2: I'd go in there and it was kind of like
Speaker 2: I was just still like just I don't know, doing
Speaker 2: little bits and pieces. It kept me once again grounded,
Speaker 2: and then it kind of just got to a point
Speaker 2: where I thought I was going to go back after
Speaker 2: having l and all my intentions were to go back,
Speaker 2: but then I guess life turned upside down. I started
Speaker 2: again and I was like, you know what, I'm actually
Speaker 2: not passionate about it. I never really was. I did
Speaker 2: it because it was a job. And I don't know
Speaker 2: about you, but growing up in a family like my
Speaker 2: dad who's worked at the same firm for all his life.
Speaker 2: His dad worked in an accounting firm for.
Speaker 3: His whole life.
Speaker 2: And then even like a lot of the family I
Speaker 2: knew around me, extended family, they all kind of just
Speaker 2: work in the same industry and they never they're not entrepreneurs,
Speaker 2: they never ventured out of that. I just thought that
Speaker 2: was going to be me, to be honest.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll just work at this firm forever
Speaker 3: and that's it.
Speaker 2: And then it wasn't until and I guess we might
Speaker 2: we'll talk about this later, But it wasn't until that
Speaker 2: I had the conversation with a good girlfriend about Into Wellness,
Speaker 2: which is now what We've just launched a supplement, so I.
Speaker 3: Guess we can talk about it later. But that's sort
Speaker 3: of why I decided to leave law.
Speaker 1: But I think that's so fascinating. Before when I was
Speaker 1: doing my research, I sort of read that you said
Speaker 1: you could have ended up in law forever if you
Speaker 1: hadn't met Tim, and that hadn't sort of started this
Speaker 1: chain of events that led you to a completely new
Speaker 1: life structure and industry. But even still it wasn't exactly
Speaker 1: what you were passionate about. You never sort of really
Speaker 1: went into it because you chose to be there. And
Speaker 1: I think so many people end up in where they
Speaker 1: are through that same like, oh, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I want to do, so I've got to do
Speaker 1: something else while I figure it all out. And it's
Speaker 1: actually okay for a big chapter of your life to be,
Speaker 1: you know, buying yourself more time for later. I think people,
Speaker 1: you know, worry that they might regret that, but I
Speaker 1: would imagine and because I feel this way, I've probably
Speaker 1: will never go back to law, but I definitely don't
Speaker 1: regret it. It's sort of like you have to start.
Speaker 2: Somewhere exactly, And I think that, like so many people
Speaker 2: change jobs in their life, and my best piece of
Speaker 2: advice for someone wanting to do law, I'm like, you
Speaker 2: really got to enjoy it because it's you're in there
Speaker 2: every single day. You're in the same probably firm. If
Speaker 2: you change another firm, it's probably going to be very
Speaker 2: similar as well. Like you've just got to be really
Speaker 2: passionate about it. You don't want to go into it
Speaker 2: just because it's a job. And one thing I also
Speaker 2: regret doing is that I felt like I did it
Speaker 2: because I wanted to say I was a lawyer, and
Speaker 2: I felt like they gave me credibility. And I was like,
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people do that. They
Speaker 2: see I wouldn't put doctors and lawyers together, but like
Speaker 2: they see that as the pinnacle in a way, and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, if you're a lawyer, then like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to praise you for being a lawyer. And
Speaker 2: I felt like that's why I did it, and I
Speaker 2: held on to it for so long, which I hate
Speaker 2: because I was like, why am I doing it? Like
Speaker 2: I don't really like it. I don't need to please
Speaker 2: other people. But when I did stop practicing, and this
Speaker 2: is like one of the reasons to back up what
Speaker 2: I'm saying is that I want to get my clothes cleaned.
Speaker 2: And the lady there, she was like, oh, he's still
Speaker 2: doing Laura, And I was like, oh no, I actually
Speaker 2: to stop this year, and she was really disappointed, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm really happy now, Like she was, oh, like,
Speaker 2: law though, it's so great, and I'm like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just not for me. And I honestly just held onto
Speaker 2: that that point of being a lawyer because it almost
Speaker 2: pleased everybody else, and I thought it looked good, whereas
Speaker 2: I wasn't happy there. Like I enjoyed my time in there.
Speaker 2: I had a great boss, the other employees were great,
Speaker 2: and I love that side of things, but it just
Speaker 2: wasn't me. It never was, And I'm yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to regret it, and I don't I'll ever go
Speaker 2: back there, even though everyone probably wants me to go
Speaker 2: back there, because anything I do is never going to
Speaker 2: be good enough.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's interesting how much of our identities get
Speaker 1: really wrapped up in the prestige and the title and
Speaker 1: other people's expectations, but also that you know, even if
Speaker 1: it wasn't what you wanted to do, and even if
Speaker 1: it has been so wonderful that you've since been able
Speaker 1: to jump, the hardest thing for a lot of people
Speaker 1: is what to jump to, Like, how do you create
Speaker 1: that sliding doors moment in your life? And it does
Speaker 1: often take someone or some big formative experience like the Bachelor,
Speaker 1: to click you out of it, Otherwise you are at
Speaker 1: risk of just sitting there forever knowing you don't like it,
Speaker 1: but not kind of going for anything else, which is
Speaker 1: the whole idea of seizing the ya, like swapping those
Speaker 1: metrics of titles and financial progress or climate of corporate
Speaker 1: ladder and swapping it for am I happy day to day?
Speaker 1: That's so much more important.
Speaker 2: That's where Tim comes into play, because he's someone who
Speaker 2: was someone that took opportunities and he went outside of
Speaker 2: his comfort zone, whereas I was like, oh, I'm too
Speaker 2: scared to do that, and he kind of brought me
Speaker 2: out of my shell and with a lot of the
Speaker 2: things that I've done, even just going on sas I've
Speaker 2: spoken about this quite a lot, as I would never
Speaker 2: have gone on if it wasn't for Tim kind of.
Speaker 3: Encouraging me to do it for the right reasons.
Speaker 2: But it was just something so far out of my
Speaker 2: comfort zone where I thought like I could fail at this,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to fail, so I don't want
Speaker 2: to go on and I could just stay at home.
Speaker 2: It could be cruisy, I'll just continue with my life,
Speaker 2: or I could go do this, and I thought, well,
Speaker 2: why would I do that? And then these are the reasons.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, that's yes, that's exactly. Everything that I'm
Speaker 2: saying is a reason why I should go on, because
Speaker 2: I just sit in my comfort zone. So I think
Speaker 2: it's really important to like push yourself get out in
Speaker 2: comfort zone and encourage others to do so as well.
Speaker 1: I think we have that in common with each other
Speaker 1: as well, in that we sort of grew up in
Speaker 1: an industry where you're trained to be risk averse. The
Speaker 1: whole point of a lawyer is to identify what's going
Speaker 1: to go wrong and avoid it at all costs, whereas
Speaker 1: our husbands are, you know, the opposite, totally just take
Speaker 1: the risk and figure out the consequences later, which is
Speaker 1: nice when you both bring each other a little bit
Speaker 1: closer towards the middle. It's also it's good when they
Speaker 1: can open your mind. I think it's also you know,
Speaker 1: as women, we want to be really independent, we want
Speaker 1: to forge our own pathway, but it can be a
Speaker 1: good thing to be influenced by your partner's way of
Speaker 1: thinking and way of life as well.
Speaker 3: Oh exactly.
Speaker 2: And I kind of take in from all around, and
Speaker 2: I think it's just kind of opening your eyes a
Speaker 2: little bit more. Because I was in a family that
Speaker 2: wasn't like that, so That's why I thought I was
Speaker 2: quite narrow minded in work and things like that, but
Speaker 2: now I'm a lot more open and that's because of
Speaker 2: my husband and also his family. So it's really Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's really nice.
Speaker 1: So I know we've touched on it, well we've on
Speaker 1: this show, have touched on it in episode five, but
Speaker 1: also I'm sure you've You know, there are so many
Speaker 1: places people can go and hear the Batchel story in depth,
Speaker 1: but just to touch on it very quickly, because we
Speaker 1: do have some very cute audio of Tim explaining how
Speaker 1: you won his heart. You mentioned quickly that it was
Speaker 1: a friend of yours actually that signed you up for it,
Speaker 1: and that you thought you were signing up for the bachelourette,
Speaker 1: not for the Bachelor.
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 3: Long story short?
Speaker 2: She and you're a producer sourcing and finding girls, and
Speaker 2: she caught me up and said they're doing the Bachelorette.
Speaker 3: Would you do it?
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, no, I don't think so,
Speaker 2: but if anything, I would do the bachelotte, but I'd
Speaker 2: never do the Bachelor.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to.
Speaker 2: Be one to help me And then I think it
Speaker 2: was like a day or so lateish Cord so actually
Speaker 2: they're doing the batchrott would you do it?
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, God, like, I don't know, my parents
Speaker 3: are going to kill me, and I think I just
Speaker 3: started law.
Speaker 2: And I remember the conversation down in the elevator to
Speaker 2: the building and I's just like, I yeah, it was
Speaker 2: one of those moments. I was like, I just I
Speaker 2: think no, but I'm like, I'm gonna like sit on it.
Speaker 2: I'm going to sleep on it. And she pretty much
Speaker 2: feeled out. Like we sat there over a couple of wiles,
Speaker 2: she filled out the question and sent it through and
Speaker 2: if like it was kind of like that moment. If
Speaker 2: she didn't be a producer, if she didn't call me out,
Speaker 2: I would never have signed up for it because I
Speaker 2: just didn't think it was me and I just started
Speaker 2: my law career. So I was like, it kind of
Speaker 2: was that moment where I feel like it really was
Speaker 2: meant to be.
Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely. I think everything happens for a reason, and
Speaker 1: sometimes in the most convoluted ways and often in people's way.
Speaker 1: To ya, we go through this role of kind of
Speaker 1: fate eventually leading you somewhere, but it's generally related to Korea.
Speaker 1: So I kind of love that this happened more in
Speaker 1: your personal life, but then tweaked a massive shift eventually
Speaker 1: in Korea and total direction pathway, but just quickly. Tim's
Speaker 1: episode was our fifth episode ever on the thirty first
Speaker 1: of October twenty eighteen, and this was just after you
Speaker 1: had gotten married. But it was just a little snippet
Speaker 1: I want to play of him describing you're a whole
Speaker 1: approach to that show and why you stood out so much,
Speaker 1: even though of course you didn't actually want to be
Speaker 1: there competing with everyone, because that's not what you signed
Speaker 1: up for.
Speaker 2: I went to boarding schools, so I was always surrounded
Speaker 2: by a lot of women, so I was like, I
Speaker 2: know how to handle the women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's the thing I loved about her. She never
Speaker 4: really competed for me. She was just like, you know,
Speaker 4: this is me. If you like me, that's it. She
Speaker 4: didn't try, she didn't get worried about the other girls,
Speaker 4: which is what it should be. You're not going in
Speaker 4: there necessarily to be better than another girl. You're just
Speaker 4: going in there to be your best self. And if
Speaker 4: you and I clicked, then that's great.
Speaker 1: And you guys just got married. Yeah, five years later,
Speaker 1: I marriage out of the BATCHI is it.
Speaker 5: That's so cute, but it's true, Like I literally and
Speaker 5: I think that's what It's definitely changed nowadays because like,
Speaker 5: because we were the first, we didn't have no one
Speaker 5: was an example of what was to happen the process, Like,
Speaker 5: we had knew nothing, so it was sort.
Speaker 3: Of it was taking a massive risk going in. But
Speaker 3: I'm not someone.
Speaker 2: I knew the situation. I knew there are other girls there,
Speaker 2: and I didn't want to compete. I was like, if
Speaker 2: it's going to work, it's going to work. So I
Speaker 2: really tried hard to just be like like remove myself
Speaker 2: from the situation and just be me and well, yeah, obviously, well.
Speaker 1: So talk us through. I mean, that has been an
Speaker 1: incredible moment. I mean, I hate the word pivot, but
Speaker 1: it was like the ultimate pivot at a time where
Speaker 1: the industry really was so new to this concept of
Speaker 1: for shore. It was the very first series ever, so
Speaker 1: like you said, there were no examples of it before,
Speaker 1: no one knew what was going to happen. But then
Speaker 1: it led to marriage, a beautiful daughter, and a huge
Speaker 1: shift in career direction, which obviously allowed you to kind
Speaker 1: of have law on the side but kind of drew
Speaker 1: you and showed you back comparison, you know, all the
Speaker 1: other things that you're or that you love more. How
Speaker 1: did that all unravel for you?
Speaker 2: It was daunting, Like even just going on the batchel,
Speaker 2: it was really daunting. And I remember the first day
Speaker 2: going and I was like, oh my god. I called
Speaker 2: my mum right before we had to give our phone
Speaker 2: and I was like everyone.
Speaker 3: So like awkward. I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: And then obviously went through ended up with Tim, and
Speaker 2: we were both from the Eastern suburbs, so I think
Speaker 2: we may have even been at parties together. There was
Speaker 2: one article that came out that they said that we
Speaker 2: knew each other and we'd actually worked in an event together.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't that many people.
Speaker 2: There was three, I think three three or four guys,
Speaker 2: three or four girls, and we're working at this event.
Speaker 3: And they were there.
Speaker 2: We all got a photo together like this, But the
Speaker 2: girls were hanging out with the girls, the boys were
Speaker 2: hanging out with the boys. And I think he must
Speaker 2: have liked another girl at the event and he didn't
Speaker 2: like me. I didn't take any notice in him, and
Speaker 2: vice versa. And I always say this is why it
Speaker 2: was so good for us because I feel like it
Speaker 2: forced us to get to know each other, where as
Speaker 2: on the outside we may met and we did and
Speaker 2: we totally forgot.
Speaker 1: It wasn't memorable.
Speaker 2: It wasn't memorable, and I think it sounds silly, but
Speaker 2: that's what was so good about this show, where it
Speaker 2: literally forced us to get to know one another and
Speaker 2: even if you weren't sure at the beginning, then you
Speaker 2: could still get to know them and sort of put
Speaker 2: that aside. And sometimes on the outside people aren't giving
Speaker 2: other people chances and they're just writing people off from
Speaker 2: the get go.
Speaker 3: So that's what I loved about this show.
Speaker 2: And then obviously after like it was hard because it
Speaker 2: was like we're in the limelight now, so everything is scrutinized. However,
Speaker 2: we just kind of removed ourselves from that and we
Speaker 2: want to make our relationship as real as possible, and
Speaker 2: we kind of just like didn't focus on all that.
Speaker 2: We focused on our relationship and we didn't get engaged
Speaker 2: or anything too quickly.
Speaker 3: I think it was like five years.
Speaker 2: I was like, come on down, Okay, you've really got
Speaker 2: to propose to me now. And then yeah, we got
Speaker 2: married and had a kid, but like, we're coming up
Speaker 2: to out ten years next year, so like ten years.
Speaker 2: I've married since twenty eighteen, but we've been together for
Speaker 2: ten years as of next year.
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Speaker 1: listen to your podcast today. And that's the other thing
Speaker 1: as well, I think is that I like, we just
Speaker 1: sort of look from the outside and you see all
Speaker 1: these dot points. You see BATCHI was a lawyer, became
Speaker 1: a you know, launched into the media, got into the
Speaker 1: public eye, did sas like, got married in Pullia, I
Speaker 1: had a baby, and you forget that in between, there's
Speaker 1: so much pathway, There's so much choice and doubt and
Speaker 1: like redirecting and also deciding between you and Tim, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think people had really launched careers off the
Speaker 1: back of television or social media at the time. It
Speaker 1: was very early to do that ten years ago, so
Speaker 1: there was no blueprint for how to reshift. And in
Speaker 1: Tim's episode, I even remember him talking about you guys
Speaker 1: actively deciding to give yourself some privacy at the beginning,
Speaker 1: but then afterwards to make the most of this incredible
Speaker 1: platform you've been given to follow pathways that you were
Speaker 1: passionate about, but might otherwise not have had the chance
Speaker 1: for And I think the uncertainty of the past couple
Speaker 1: of years has given more and more people the chance
Speaker 1: to redesign their lives in a way that they want to.
Speaker 1: So in between all the dot points that we might
Speaker 1: have been able to read in the media or see
Speaker 1: on your social media, you know, I mean it's hard
Speaker 1: to condense a decade into a short amount of time,
Speaker 1: But you've just become a business owner. You've just launched
Speaker 1: your own baby into the world, just a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago, into wellness, and that's a huge shift from
Speaker 1: lawyer who didn't want to go on a reality TV show,
Speaker 1: who I read had never had a boyfriend before. You know,
Speaker 1: how have you spent that decade realigning to seizing the AA? Like,
Speaker 1: how have all the dot points internally unraveled for you?
Speaker 1: And how did you end up at into Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: I've definitely evolved, and I'm not that a totally different person.
Speaker 3: I've just grown in different ways.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the beauty of life that you
Speaker 2: don't know where things are going to go and who
Speaker 2: you're going to meet and what path that will then
Speaker 2: lead to. And for me, this has just been a
Speaker 2: little bit of I think probably working on myself most
Speaker 2: of the time up and to this point, and all
Speaker 2: the people around me who are in the media, I
Speaker 2: always see their starting businesses. They're doing this, and in
Speaker 2: the back of my mind, I was like, I want
Speaker 2: to do something for myself. I'm working for a lot
Speaker 2: of other brands, like I'd love to do something for myself.
Speaker 2: But nothing ever felt right, and I just didn't want
Speaker 2: to bring out a product for the fun of it
Speaker 2: and be like, I just want to sell a product
Speaker 2: like that is not me, And it was only what
Speaker 2: are we in two thousand and two? Two anyway, everything's
Speaker 2: all a blur. About a year and a half ago.
Speaker 2: I say I was pregnant. My friend's like, no, I
Speaker 2: think you had anyway, all confusing once again, once you
Speaker 2: had a baby, I just don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: I don't have a baby, and I still don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on.
Speaker 2: So you're fine, Yeah, yeah, that was probably me too.
Speaker 2: So it was just what and this is how the
Speaker 2: business came to light. Where we were just walking one
Speaker 2: day and we're talking about the lack of sleep we're getting.
Speaker 2: I was I'm going to say I was pregnant. I
Speaker 2: was pregnant, and.
Speaker 1: To be confirmed, I'll do some research later.
Speaker 3: Yes, someone can confirm that bombing.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so we're walking just talking about the lack
Speaker 2: of sleep and what we use to help with that.
Speaker 2: And I'm only since being pregnant, I started using magnesium.
Speaker 2: And I always have to like preface out with like
Speaker 2: make sure you talk to your healthcare professional about it,
Speaker 2: because I did and he recommended it because I wasn't sleeping.
Speaker 2: I was getting all my joints really tight and crampy.
Speaker 2: So I started using magnesium. And as soon as I
Speaker 2: started taking magnesium, I was like, I am never going
Speaker 2: to sleep without this, Like it is so good. It
Speaker 2: helped me get to sleep quicker and longer, and I
Speaker 2: had better sleeps. Anyway, then we're also talking about in
Speaker 2: the same conversation, we're just talking about beauty products what
Speaker 2: we use, and at the time it was collagen and
Speaker 2: a few other things, and we were just saying how
Speaker 2: there's nothing all in one out there and anyway, So
Speaker 2: basically that's where it all came about, where we're like,
Speaker 2: why don't we just do something where it's all in
Speaker 2: one everything that you need.
Speaker 3: It's going to target sleep.
Speaker 2: It's going to target skin and for me, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you take magnesium, but it's something that you
Speaker 2: take before bed.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like when you're I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, it's starting to relax, you've got time to think
Speaker 2: about what you need to take before going to bed,
Speaker 2: as opposed sometimes in the morning it's like so hectic
Speaker 2: we get what to take. I sometimes I used to
Speaker 2: take Colligen, but it was like once a month because
Speaker 2: I literally would forget and so it was kind of
Speaker 2: like that moment of like, Okay, there's a gap in
Speaker 2: the market. How can we help women, mainly when it
Speaker 2: comes to sleep, Because when it comes to sleep, it
Speaker 2: is like when you're a working woman, mother, or anyone
Speaker 2: who just gets up exhausted, they've got so much going
Speaker 2: on in the day. If you haven't had a good
Speaker 2: night's sleep, it's a knock on effect and it can
Speaker 2: pretty much affect absolutely.
Speaker 3: Everything you do.
Speaker 2: So first and foremost, also when it comes to your skin,
Speaker 2: like how often do you think, Okay, I've got to
Speaker 2: put this cream on, I've got to try this, but
Speaker 2: like you kind of forget about sleep, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: if you had like a good night's sleep that is
Speaker 2: probably going to do more than anything else. So that
Speaker 2: was like a big thing for us and anyway, so
Speaker 2: that's where and then a lot of other things. When
Speaker 2: it came to design the name, it was about getting
Speaker 2: in tune with your body. That's where into wellness came
Speaker 2: intuitive beauty and just knowing what your body needs.
Speaker 3: So long story.
Speaker 1: Going on and on, Oh please do It's obviously you've
Speaker 1: had you've been having an amazing sleep, so you have enough
Speaker 1: energy to go on and on and on about it.
Speaker 1: But it's so funny. I was reading up on you know,
Speaker 1: what the product is, and it was actually harder for
Speaker 1: me to describe what it doesn't do because there are
Speaker 1: so many different things at once that it's targeting, and
Speaker 1: you can tell just even from you know. One of
Speaker 1: the main words in the copy was that it's a
Speaker 1: high achieving like the ultimate overachiever in the supplement space.
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is clearly designed by a
Speaker 1: and overachiever herself, but be one who is juggling a
Speaker 1: lot of different things and does not have time to
Speaker 1: think about all the different things you put into one thing.
Speaker 1: So it's likely just the gift that keeps on giving.
Speaker 2: Exactly and now I've got to be I've got to
Speaker 2: remember all the different claims because it is TGA approved,
Speaker 2: so I've got to make sure that now also speaking
Speaker 2: about it, and I think thinking about the TGA and
Speaker 2: the new rules and regulations around that. So I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: can I say it's not stupp up. We wanted it
Speaker 2: TJA approved because we wanted it to have all the
Speaker 2: correct amounts. We wanted everything to work well, and that
Speaker 2: was another thing going into this. We're like, we want
Speaker 2: a product that has the best ingredients and it really
Speaker 2: really works. So now we're just trying to get our
Speaker 2: head around all this sort of TGA stuff as well.
Speaker 2: But we've got the claims and we've just got to
Speaker 2: stick to those.
Speaker 1: Ye. Well, I think another thing that's really interesting is
Speaker 1: that so many you know, not just women, everyone really
Speaker 1: who ends up in business. Sometimes it's because they set
Speaker 1: out to be a business owner. Often it's more because
Speaker 1: they stumbled upon a gap for themselves and they filled
Speaker 1: it because they you know, they were the target market.
Speaker 1: They wanted a product that didn't exist, and then they
Speaker 1: closed the gap, which often means that they weren't trained
Speaker 1: business owners. They didn't set out as a child with
Speaker 1: a lemonade stand. You know, you went from a job
Speaker 1: where you trained. You know, law studies take six to
Speaker 1: ten years sometimes, so you're so qualified even out of
Speaker 1: your comfort zone, you're within a very safe structure. Now
Speaker 1: you're going into an industry that you've worked with, but
Speaker 1: not necessarily as the business owner yourself.
Speaker 2: So exactly, and it's so it is so different, Like like, honestly,
Speaker 2: I've got my business partner and co founder, Christy Whitehill,
Speaker 2: who actually has an entrepreneurial background, so I always say
Speaker 2: I could never do it without her, And I also
Speaker 2: bring certain things to the table that we work really
Speaker 2: well together. But some of the things that she's been
Speaker 2: doing the business side of things, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I'm like literally just trying to get my head around
Speaker 2: it because obviously studying a new business, like you said,
Speaker 2: like going from law to studying a new business, it's
Speaker 2: like a completely different world and there are so many
Speaker 2: things to learn and I'm just trying to find my feet.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, it's just it's been pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: And even leading.
Speaker 2: Up to our launch, it was like three weeks before
Speaker 2: we launched, we got all our containers and everything, and
Speaker 2: we opened one up and we were like, I think
Speaker 2: this is the wrong size scoop and we were.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Anyway it was, and we had pretty much a week
Speaker 2: maybe a week and a half before we had to
Speaker 2: send it out, and anyway it was.
Speaker 3: It was a nightmare.
Speaker 2: We had to relabel everything because originally one scoop and
Speaker 2: now you'll see that it's two scoops. And it's just
Speaker 2: those things where it's like, learn that things are going
Speaker 2: to go wrong and it's okay, and it's just how
Speaker 2: you deal with them. And so a lot of the
Speaker 2: times it's kind of like I want to pull my
Speaker 2: hair out, I want to scream, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: look this is just a little hurdle. It's going to
Speaker 2: be okay, and we'll work around it. So yeah, we
Speaker 2: had a lot of those moments and I'm just like
Speaker 2: trying to be like super zen about everything.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, well, that is the crash
Speaker 1: course in business, is something going absolutely pear shape before
Speaker 1: you've even started. I mean, welcome to the world of business.
Speaker 1: That typifies the whole entire journey.
Speaker 2: You can't prepare for it, and you think I'm someone
Speaker 2: who likes to be in controlled and I like to
Speaker 2: plan absolutely everything, but it's just something that you can't
Speaker 2: in a way. You can do the best you can,
Speaker 2: and you can do everything on your end, but because
Speaker 2: you're dealing with so many other people, it's really hard
Speaker 2: to control. But that's why sometimes you just got to
Speaker 2: let go and give yourself enough time for things to
Speaker 2: go wrong.
Speaker 1: And I feel like this is why it's such a
Speaker 1: privilege to be able to speak to you when it's
Speaker 1: just a few days old. The whole launch process and
Speaker 1: all the fears and worries and you know, mistakes that
Speaker 1: have sort of already happened, are so fresh in your
Speaker 1: mind because we're talking about this before. It's beautiful to
Speaker 1: have gone back to listen to Tim's episode just off
Speaker 1: the back of your wedding, and then now that you're
Speaker 1: a mum, to kind of come back around and hear
Speaker 1: your side of the story is so beautiful. I also
Speaker 1: love that in a couple of years time, we can
Speaker 1: go back to this episode and sort of reflect on
Speaker 1: how you felt right now, you know, when the business
Speaker 1: is boomy. So I think something that's very very common
Speaker 1: in fact life in society and particularly for women when
Speaker 1: they're trying anything new, starting a new business, but any
Speaker 1: new position is self doubt and the imposter syndrome of
Speaker 1: I don't deserve to be here. I'm so scared that
Speaker 1: I'll fail and look silly, and often that leads people
Speaker 1: to not even start launching or to think about starting
Speaker 1: launching whatever it is that they're doing. How over the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, while it's so fresh and so
Speaker 1: you know, acute, that whole like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: about to release this new thing into the world that
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. You know, it's so brand new
Speaker 1: for me. How have you been dealing with that? Have
Speaker 1: there been any hacks or tricks that have helped you?
Speaker 1: How do you break the cycle? And you're sort of like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to launch, Like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: going to go so wrong. How are you coping on us?
Speaker 3: Like that was me and that's been me for quite
Speaker 3: a while.
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't want to have my own business,
Speaker 2: because I literally was like, who's going to buy anything
Speaker 2: from me? And even doing podcasts like I never used
Speaker 2: to do podcasts because I was like, why is anyone
Speaker 2: going to want to listen? To what I have to say,
Speaker 2: and I genuinely felt that. So like this year, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a lot of podcasts like people, yeah,
Speaker 2: they might like what I have to say. So I
Speaker 2: honestly did feel like an impost and there's times where
Speaker 2: I still do. I'm like, if I go onto a
Speaker 2: certain job, whether it's presenting or anything, I'm like, do
Speaker 2: I deserve to be here? And all of those things
Speaker 2: do kind of run wild in your mind. So one
Speaker 2: thing for me that's helped is having a business partner.
Speaker 2: I really don't think I could have done it on
Speaker 2: my own.
Speaker 1: There's a self doubt again, yes.
Speaker 3: I know exactly, and it's still there.
Speaker 2: And even recently I went on SAS and that was
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why I went on says was
Speaker 2: to change that mindset, and to a degree it did.
Speaker 2: For sure, I'm still a work in progress and it's
Speaker 2: still there. But even just doing podcasts now, I'm like
Speaker 2: it has helped me gain confidence to do it and
Speaker 2: believe that, yeah, I actually might have something that could
Speaker 2: benefit someone else in their journey. So yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: self doubt still there, still working on it, and I
Speaker 2: think as you get older, you become more self aware,
Speaker 2: and then you start to love yourself more and honestly, like,
Speaker 2: I'm a totally different person in that regard compared to
Speaker 2: when I was younger. And that's one of the reasons
Speaker 2: I say I didn't have a boyfriend because I was
Speaker 2: too afraid to let someone in and I'd go on
Speaker 2: dates and things that but I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't want them to see who I really am, which
Speaker 2: was like a normal person, but I was just too
Speaker 2: scared to let people in. So yeah, it's definitely something's
Speaker 2: still working on, but it's changed like completely since I
Speaker 2: was a teenager.
Speaker 1: I love that your approach is, you know that whole
Speaker 1: idea of well, if you're scared of it, you should
Speaker 1: probably do more of it until you know, just practice
Speaker 1: and practice and practice, and the more you prove to
Speaker 1: yourself that you can do something, then next time you
Speaker 1: sort of have more evidence to say, well, I mean
Speaker 1: I did sas look what I go to with there,
Speaker 1: so I can pretty much do anything exactly.
Speaker 2: And for me, that was something first I didn't think
Speaker 2: I could do once again, and then I also knew
Speaker 2: everyone would be.
Speaker 3: Like, there's no way Anna's going to do it.
Speaker 2: Someone wrote on one of my Instagram posts that on
Speaker 2: the sports bet, I think I was like fifteen dollars
Speaker 2: to win, but now I've gone down to like a
Speaker 2: dollar fifty or something. Not promoting gambling, but like like
Speaker 2: that's the odds. So it's so funny how people first
Speaker 2: perceive me and now they can watch what I can do,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people didn't know that I, like
Speaker 2: I said earlier in the podcast that I loved my sport,
Speaker 2: like I wanted to compete with the guys. I was
Speaker 2: just someone who was quite determined in that way, like
Speaker 2: I'm my touch footy, all that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 2: I had that as a base. I still don't know
Speaker 2: how I was going to go, Like I had no idea.
Speaker 2: I was like, I hope it might make it past
Speaker 2: the first couple of days. So I'm yeah, over a
Speaker 2: week now, which is fabulous.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you are just such a wonder woman. I'm
Speaker 1: so inspired by everything you do and that you did
Speaker 1: it as a mum. And I think that's the other
Speaker 1: thing is when you are in the public. I actually
Speaker 1: had a conversation with a good friend Samantha, who's on
Speaker 1: Survivor at the moment. It's like people think you've then
Speaker 1: volunteered to put every part of your personality and life
Speaker 1: and choices on the line for everyone just to comment on,
Speaker 1: like what you look like, and it's just absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: So there is a really really difficult part of being
Speaker 1: in the public eye. But it also I think it's
Speaker 1: wonderful that then you can choose to fill in the
Speaker 1: gaps and redress perceptions that people might have about you
Speaker 1: by doing things that scare you and showing people you
Speaker 1: know what you can do exactly.
Speaker 2: And I think sas as well is a show that
Speaker 2: a lot of people have said, oh, I didn't know
Speaker 2: you were this sort of person or you were capable
Speaker 2: of that, because they've only seen me in a completely
Speaker 2: different life light, which is one of the reasons why
Speaker 2: I went on as.
Speaker 3: Well, But it was more for self like the self
Speaker 3: doubt and self belief.
Speaker 1: So I think one of the things that then is
Speaker 1: really hard for a lot of people who kind of
Speaker 1: shoot to fame in a really short amount of time
Speaker 1: as well, without much time to sort of grapple with
Speaker 1: how they want to interact with it, how much you
Speaker 1: want to respond all those kinds of things, is that
Speaker 1: social media. It's democratized business. It's democratized you know, you've
Speaker 1: been able to launch into wellness using the benefits of
Speaker 1: social media, but it comes with a lot of downsides
Speaker 1: as well, like trolling, but also comparison. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's so easy to see what everyone else is doing
Speaker 1: in their lives, and for new mums in particular, that's
Speaker 1: an area I think that I haven't been able to
Speaker 1: experience yet, But I can only imagine how much harder
Speaker 1: and more triggering it is when motherhood and your parenting
Speaker 1: and all that kind of thing, and and feeling guilty
Speaker 1: for having a career and all the different things. How
Speaker 1: do you get a control of comparing yourself to others
Speaker 1: or having others compare you to others and commenting all
Speaker 1: the time on what you're doing. How have you found
Speaker 1: a really happy place in that world.
Speaker 2: I don't follow those people if I feel like it's
Speaker 2: going to affect me. Most of the people I follow
Speaker 2: are people i've met or like are my close friends,
Speaker 2: So I'm not someone who follows every celebrity out there.
Speaker 2: I kind of just I don't really need to know
Speaker 2: what they're doing. And when I first came into the media.
Speaker 2: I would read some of the comments on I think
Speaker 2: it was like daily mail face with all of those,
Speaker 2: and it would really affect me and I was like
Speaker 2: there was a point where I'm like, Okay, I am
Speaker 2: literally I'm going to stop reading those comments. And ever
Speaker 2: since that, I actually feel like on my personal account,
Speaker 2: I get there's a few nasty comments every so often,
Speaker 2: but majority of the time it's really positive and so
Speaker 2: I love that. But I do think it's who you
Speaker 2: follow as well. So if someone is affecting you and
Speaker 2: you're comparing yourself, like I just don't get why you'd
Speaker 2: follow them, Like.
Speaker 3: You don't need to see that, and it's kind.
Speaker 2: Of like that out of sight, out of mind, So
Speaker 2: you just try and focus on yourself. And I know
Speaker 2: it's hard, but that's something I guess I'll have to
Speaker 2: teach my daughter about. She'll be on Instagram like everybody else,
Speaker 2: She'll be on all these different social media platforms. But
Speaker 2: it's just trying to make them like aware that they
Speaker 2: don't have to compare themselves and it's not always what
Speaker 2: you see on there.
Speaker 3: And I've got to keep saying that as well.
Speaker 2: At times, if I do see something, I'm like, you
Speaker 2: know what, like, yes, they're on holidays, but like, come on,
Speaker 2: like there's so much more around that, and I think
Speaker 2: you've just got to get smarter about that. And if
Speaker 2: it does affect you, then talk to people like try
Speaker 2: and get help or or get off social media. But
Speaker 2: for me, it doesn't affect me that way because I,
Speaker 2: like I said, I don't follow people like that, and I.
Speaker 3: Think that's how I handle it.
Speaker 2: But like I say this, but at times, like I
Speaker 2: might see a comment and it might affect me, so
Speaker 2: but it's rare now. And it was as a comment,
Speaker 2: I think, yes, sir, and it was about saf but
Speaker 2: it was horrendous to comment, but it kind of it
Speaker 2: was slightly funny where I was this person is writing this,
Speaker 2: like I think, and we talk about it with other people,
Speaker 2: like who sits there writing these horrible things to people
Speaker 2: like I just don't know what sort of person they are.
Speaker 2: And I do generally feel sorry for those people that
Speaker 2: there must be going and I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people think is now there must be something going on
Speaker 2: in their life where they feel the need to write
Speaker 2: something that horrible to someone else, So I, yeah, I
Speaker 2: do feel slightly.
Speaker 3: Sorry for them.
Speaker 2: Where I'm like stop and stop criticizing everyone else and
Speaker 2: focus on yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's such a healthy approach. That you do
Speaker 1: have to remember it's ninety nine percent of the time
Speaker 1: about them, if not one hundred percent of the time
Speaker 1: about them, and not a reflection on you, and that
Speaker 1: if you can flip that into compassion for what they
Speaker 1: must be going through, then it's easier to push away.
Speaker 1: But also to remember you have a lot more control.
Speaker 1: We're not passive consumers on Instagram. You only see what
Speaker 1: you've chosen to follow. If you do have a public account,
Speaker 1: every now and then there's something that you can't control,
Speaker 1: but if you have a really healthy approach to it
Speaker 1: and don't let it kind of impact on your worth.
Speaker 1: And another thing you mentioned that I love reminded me
Speaker 1: of a quote that I always come back to, and
Speaker 1: that's that if everyone put all their problems out on
Speaker 1: the table and we could all see it, we'd take
Speaker 1: our problems back because we'd realize, actually, we don't have
Speaker 1: it that bad. And I think when you're comparing, you're
Speaker 1: often comparing to just one percent. You're not seeing everything
Speaker 1: else under the surface, so it's only your life that
Speaker 1: you know. You need to be concerned with because that's
Speaker 1: the only one that you can control. What about in
Speaker 1: terms of you know, I think one thing that happens,
Speaker 1: particularly with people who have a wellness based business, is
Speaker 1: that you come into it to sort of boost your
Speaker 1: own wellness and close the gap for yourself. But then
Speaker 1: you become so passionate about the business that it starts
Speaker 1: to consume your own wellness. And that's kind of the
Speaker 1: irony of going into that industry. I'm sure you're probably
Speaker 1: already feeling the burnout just from making it to launch.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about juggling your time and energy
Speaker 1: like so many people want a piece of you. You're
Speaker 1: so doing so many different things and being a mom.
Speaker 1: How do you manage burnout and time for yourself and
Speaker 1: you know, juggling everything.
Speaker 2: I prioritize, Like one thing, which is what our product
Speaker 2: is all about, is sleep. And I know there's a
Speaker 2: few things that I've got to do and I should
Speaker 2: have done them yesterday, but I was like, I need
Speaker 2: to go to sleep, Like at this point.
Speaker 3: In time, that's more important.
Speaker 2: So it's prioritizing, and we set out all our intentions,
Speaker 2: me and my business partner, all our intentions at the beginning,
Speaker 2: and they said, we both said, we don't want to
Speaker 2: be working at one o'clock at night.
Speaker 3: We want to have that work life balance. And there
Speaker 3: was a lot more in that conversation, but.
Speaker 2: We just put it all out on the table and
Speaker 2: so we knew each other's expectations and I think that
Speaker 2: was really important conversation to have and know that we
Speaker 2: don't want it to take over our life, Like we
Speaker 2: want to do this and we want to enjoy it,
Speaker 2: but I'm also a mom. I'm doing a lot of
Speaker 2: other things other than my business, so I've just got
Speaker 2: to juggle it. Right now is really busy, so I'm
Speaker 2: kind of looking forward to like a couple of weeks'll.
Speaker 3: Calm down a little bit.
Speaker 2: But we've also set up everything to make it sure
Speaker 2: it runs and the process runs smoothie where we're not
Speaker 2: like we wanted to sit there and pack the boxes,
Speaker 2: but we were like, that's just going to be like
Speaker 2: not a time waster, but we can prioritize on other
Speaker 2: things that are more important. So let's set up with
Speaker 2: the third party logistics and then they'll be able to
Speaker 2: send it all out and that so we just you
Speaker 2: have to prioritize, and you've got to have a plan.
Speaker 2: And communication obviously is very key, especially when you have
Speaker 2: a business partner, because they're wanting things. I'm wanting things,
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you need to focus on
Speaker 2: your health and your family and friends. And I know
Speaker 2: I'll continue to do that. And if some things lack rare,
Speaker 2: I haven't got something to my other business.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, I just need a really good sleeper.
Speaker 3: I needed to see my girl.
Speaker 2: I think she'll understand because I know I'd understand if
Speaker 2: that was her case. And also when it comes to
Speaker 2: being sick and things like that, we know that you're
Speaker 2: going to have to take time off from work and
Speaker 2: we both appreciate our health and family and yeah, we're
Speaker 2: on the same page. So it's getting yourself a good
Speaker 2: business partner that's setting those intentions from the beginning.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I wish I had spoken to you
Speaker 1: before we started our business, because it took me like
Speaker 1: seven years to get to those revelations. But it sounds
Speaker 1: like you've got a really good structure because one of
Speaker 1: the biggest learnings is to delegate the things that you
Speaker 1: know not only you can do, and keep only the
Speaker 1: things that only you can do, because it is a
Speaker 1: bit of a time waster in the context of having
Speaker 1: very limited time to give to that business exactly.
Speaker 2: And I'm so thankful that I have my business partner
Speaker 2: because because she's started businesses before, she had all these
Speaker 2: in the front of her mind where it was like, hey,
Speaker 2: this is what we're doing. Sometimes I'm like, do we
Speaker 2: really have to sit here for an hour talking about
Speaker 2: our intentions? Like couldn't we be doing something else? And
Speaker 2: now I'm like, you know what, that's one of the
Speaker 2: most important things we did at the beginning, knowing where
Speaker 2: each other stands and what we've both got going on
Speaker 2: in our lives and how we're going to balance it equally.
Speaker 1: Another thing I think that's really difficult early on is
Speaker 1: that you have sort of as a self protection mechanism
Speaker 1: also wrapped up in self doubt. Is that humility of goals,
Speaker 1: Like it's almost like we never want to say how
Speaker 1: successful we want it to be because that you know,
Speaker 1: it's like you don't want to then fall short of that,
Speaker 1: Or I wanted to sell.
Speaker 2: One, I was like, yeah, it's so happy.
Speaker 1: Right, And sort of setting those small steps up the
Speaker 1: ladder then allow you to actually celebrate all the small
Speaker 1: wins and not always be so distracted by the destination
Speaker 1: rather than the journey. But if you do listen to
Speaker 1: this in a year's time, is there any big ultimate
Speaker 1: thing that would just you know, crash through those dreams
Speaker 1: and you know, really hit the mark of what you
Speaker 1: want to achieve within two wellness, The main.
Speaker 2: Thing I want is that I want to hear people
Speaker 2: loving the product and it's benefiting their life. Like I
Speaker 2: want people to be like I've just had the ultimate
Speaker 2: night sleep, I've had the best night's sleep, and it's
Speaker 2: then affected everything else that I do in the day.
Speaker 2: Like if I can help people in that way, that
Speaker 2: will be problem the best and most beneficial thing for
Speaker 2: me as well, because I know that I'm doing something good.
Speaker 2: So look, yes, we want to sell lunch. That's why
Speaker 2: you start a business because you want to sell You
Speaker 2: don't want to sell one, and that's absolutely even though
Speaker 2: that was my goal at the beginning, to sell one.
Speaker 2: But you also want to help people as well, and
Speaker 2: you want to see that product affecting them in a
Speaker 2: really good way. So I'm hoping to hear that, and
Speaker 2: I'm hoping anyone that tries it just absolutely loves it
Speaker 2: because it does help them.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to try it.
Speaker 2: I feel like like there are so many people like
Speaker 2: my mum hasn't even got one, myst because of all
Speaker 2: the issues at the beginning, where it was like we
Speaker 2: literally had I think the product probably only a week
Speaker 2: out from launching.
Speaker 3: Were like, you will get something you can try.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well, just biggest congratulations on launching. Often
Speaker 1: that is the hardest part is just getting it actually
Speaker 1: to market and yes, putting.
Speaker 3: It out there a year ago, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the best products are always delayed. And
Speaker 1: I feel like if people like us a particularly who
Speaker 1: you know have spent our first careers in the height
Speaker 1: of perfectionism, actually getting something launched at all and not
Speaker 1: delaying it to make it perfect over and every again
Speaker 1: is a massive achievement in itself. So huge congratulations. And
Speaker 1: I think probably this question the answer will be a
Speaker 1: little bit different in the early days of your business
Speaker 1: because there are chapters of your life where balance does
Speaker 1: look a bit different, where work obligations are a bit
Speaker 1: heavier than normal. But the last section is your playta
Speaker 1: and that's something that most of us spend a lot
Speaker 1: of our lives without at all. But it's just the
Speaker 1: era of life where separate to what you do, it's
Speaker 1: who you are, it's what you love. It's the things
Speaker 1: that you do that don't have a productive goal, that
Speaker 1: don't further you in any way other than pure joy.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you do I mean, you know, traditionally
Speaker 1: known as hobbies, but is there anything you do that's
Speaker 1: just to play and that's just to bring you happiness
Speaker 1: without needing to learn or or produce or create?
Speaker 3: Can I say just my family?
Speaker 2: Like yes, when I actually get to spend quality time
Speaker 2: with my family, and sometimes at the moment, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just want to be able to like genuinely just
Speaker 2: play with you and not have to worry and think
Speaker 2: about anything else. And it's like there are times where
Speaker 2: I get that, but I'd like a lot more of that,
Speaker 2: And that's probably That's definitely something for me that I'm like,
Speaker 2: even like working towards in the future where I want
Speaker 2: to kind of you know, when you can just put
Speaker 2: work aside and not have to think about it. Because
Speaker 2: a lot of the times, even when I'm with my daughter,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I've got this to do. I've got
Speaker 2: that to do, so like, yeah, just downtime with my
Speaker 2: family and not having to worry about work.
Speaker 1: And I do think that this is a mean time
Speaker 1: to ask you that question, because the first week of
Speaker 1: lotching your business is probably not the time where you're
Speaker 1: going to be playing to yay very much.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: How do you and Tim wine down? Because you both,
Speaker 1: you know, have so much going on, and often it's
Speaker 1: quite connected into social media and the digital world. Do
Speaker 1: you do like days where you switch off your phones?
Speaker 1: Do you sort of have reading on Netflix shows that
Speaker 1: help you switch off.
Speaker 2: We go for a lot of walks around our area.
Speaker 2: That's normally with Ellen. If she's not crying and screaming,
Speaker 2: it's quite relaxing, but always relaxing. We like to go
Speaker 2: out to dinner as well. We like to get foot
Speaker 2: massages together, and when we can, we watch like a
Speaker 2: Netflix series together and I always have to like turn
Speaker 2: it off after because if I don't, he'll continue watching
Speaker 2: because I normally go to bed earlyer than my husband,
Speaker 2: so he would want to keep watching something that She's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to bed, turn it off, and then yeah,
Speaker 2: he'll stay out.
Speaker 1: He watches without you.
Speaker 3: That's why I turn the TV off. I'm like, so
Speaker 3: you can't.
Speaker 1: Watch It's nice.
Speaker 2: It's like when we put L down, and she's really
Speaker 2: good at going down at seven, so it's like kind
Speaker 2: of our time to even just cook and watch something
Speaker 2: at the moment. It's been quite hard because there are
Speaker 2: times and nights around like on emails ten or eleven
Speaker 2: o'clock at night, and it's been difficult to like switch off,
Speaker 2: but that's.
Speaker 3: What we do like to do, to sort of switch
Speaker 3: off when we can.
Speaker 1: And it is a really big adjustment going from being
Speaker 1: a couple where or you know, you have time to
Speaker 1: focus on YouTube and your connection in your relationship and
Speaker 1: then pair into it. I'm sure just throws that completely
Speaker 1: out of whack and you've got to find new ways
Speaker 1: to then make time in between raising a small human.
Speaker 2: It's crazy and trying to just juggle it all being like, okay, Tim,
Speaker 2: you need to look after L at this time. I
Speaker 2: will look after Like I sit there either the night
Speaker 2: before or even like the beginning of the week, going okay,
Speaker 2: what do you have on how can we juggle this?
Speaker 3: I now have I think he has my dary now
Speaker 3: in his phone, so he is a human.
Speaker 2: Doing just so where Yeah, just trying to stay on
Speaker 2: top of it all because we're our schedule is just
Speaker 2: so varied and it's different every week and sometimes you
Speaker 2: have really big weeks, sometimes you don't.
Speaker 3: But if things are overlapping, we need to make sure
Speaker 3: it's looked after. And so it's just once again about
Speaker 3: communication and juggling basically.
Speaker 1: Every Yeah, totally, Nick and I also have each other's
Speaker 1: calendar is just overlaid so that we know there's like
Speaker 1: small pockets of time where there's.
Speaker 2: Blank got going on, so you don't need to like
Speaker 2: bug them and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Second last question for you, This will probably
Speaker 1: hard for you given how much you guys have been
Speaker 1: in the media, but what are three interesting things about
Speaker 1: you that don't normally come up in conversation that people
Speaker 1: might not know that are just like weird quirks or
Speaker 1: things that like only Tim would know.
Speaker 2: Oh god, well, I actually can ask his question a lot,
Speaker 2: and I always think, you know, when really I get
Speaker 2: asked the question about what does what do people not
Speaker 2: know about you?
Speaker 3: Something that people don't know about you?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, but I've given all those things
Speaker 2: away because I'm like, you always get asked. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I've given that away last time. What is something like
Speaker 2: I see a massive tomboy? I have said that before I.
Speaker 1: Did read that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not something out you.
Speaker 1: I should have asked him. It's always fun when you
Speaker 1: have a couple of interview at the same time and
Speaker 1: you can get them to drop you in the dirt,
Speaker 1: because then it's something that you wouldn't normally think about.
Speaker 2: But it's like a sleep so we strangle laughter say that.
Speaker 1: It's always something like oh Anna sleeps with her mouth
Speaker 1: open and like quarterfly once, or like oh, hey.
Speaker 3: Well I think, hey, I did eat a ciar.
Speaker 2: I was like I did eat Was it a cockroach
Speaker 2: or a soicada? Like that was when a child. That's
Speaker 2: the first thing that came to my mind.
Speaker 3: It's not even interesting.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so interesting. I feel like the weirder the better,
Speaker 1: Like the weird things that never come up in conversation,
Speaker 1: like allergies or like your middle name or.
Speaker 3: Like you know what allergies?
Speaker 2: Yes, now that you said that, because I sneeze a lot,
Speaker 2: and like I have running nose, that's sneeze.
Speaker 1: The you should be the name of this episode exactly.
Speaker 2: So I went to test my allergies and I was
Speaker 2: like something every like it's almost like all year round
Speaker 2: and like sneeze and sinus problems. And then I went
Speaker 2: to get my allergies all tested and I said something.
Speaker 2: It was like, come on, it was like something grass
Speaker 2: and a little bit of grass or not even that
Speaker 2: much of grass, And I was like, is that my allergy?
Speaker 2: I wanted it to be something like extremely cool, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I could just cut it out and then everything
Speaker 2: will be fine.
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, cut out grass out of your life.
Speaker 1: It's no more grass for you, babe.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm fully disappointed in that.
Speaker 1: How do you even manage that? Like what do you
Speaker 1: even do about it? Just don't go near grass.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's only mild as well.
Speaker 1: So see that's interesting. Yeah, do you have any like
Speaker 1: party trick? Do you speak Hungarian?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I don't speak. I do have a put trick
Speaker 2: so I can do the worm with a lot of weddings.
Speaker 2: After a few drinks and a lot of time, people
Speaker 2: take videos of it and I'm like, can you please
Speaker 2: delete that?
Speaker 3: Like the not good? But I'm really good at the worm.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, I can't even imagine you're doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and it's yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of the times my family and tim are like, oh,
Speaker 2: did you really have to do that?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, I know, I really shouldn't have.
Speaker 1: But I did. I did actually really have to do that.
Speaker 1: It was actually necessary.
Speaker 3: There's lots of things.
Speaker 1: They're the ones I love, the ones that like only
Speaker 1: come out. And very last question, since I love quote
Speaker 1: so much, what is your favorite quote?
Speaker 2: So I never have a favorite quote because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I take inspiration from everything, but sort of most recently
Speaker 2: before going to sas, my husband said this quote and
Speaker 2: I probably will get it wrong, but it's something it's like,
Speaker 2: if you want to be a winner, you have to
Speaker 2: think like a winner and also know what a winner
Speaker 2: believes before winning will actually being a winner. So it's
Speaker 2: kind of having that winner's mentality before you can actually win.
Speaker 2: And that was something for me, like I went into
Speaker 2: it going I can't do this, but I'm like, you've
Speaker 2: got to change that around, and you've got to say.
Speaker 3: You can do it.
Speaker 2: And also if whatever happens and you don't actually end
Speaker 2: up being able to do it, then you've got to
Speaker 2: know that that's okay as well, and you've learned something anyway,
Speaker 2: so it's actually okay not to be good at something
Speaker 2: or not being able to do something and learn that
Speaker 2: you're going to grow so much more from those as well.
Speaker 1: So that one and I love that you've really executed
Speaker 1: that in like the whole trying things that scare you
Speaker 1: the most. It's like, you know what, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to believe I can do it, and then worst case
Speaker 1: scenario if I can't, like nothing changes about my value
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. One of the things I often have to
Speaker 1: remind myself is if you promised everyone that they could fail,
Speaker 1: but no one would ever know, would they care about failing?
Speaker 1: And I feel like most of the time, if you
Speaker 1: could fail in private, no one cares exactly, So you're
Speaker 1: only scared about the perception of failure, which means that
Speaker 1: then you've got to change your mindset around caring what
Speaker 1: people think about you exactly. Well, thank you so much, Anna,
Speaker 1: huge congratulations on your new chapter. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: follow how it goes over the next couple of weeks
Speaker 1: and months. Where can we get into wellness?
Speaker 3: So you can get into wellness online?
Speaker 2: So it's ww dot Into Wellness dot com and that's NTU.
Speaker 1: Yes well, how exciting. Congratulations Lovely, and thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank Sarah.
Speaker 1: It's such a great privilege to be a fly on
Speaker 1: the wall during special moments for our guests, like the
Speaker 1: launch of their first business, and to have a record
Speaker 1: of how they felt and what they were thinking for
Speaker 1: them to reflect on in years to come. I feel
Speaker 1: a bit the same way about Yeays of our Lives.
Speaker 1: One day I'll look back and be able to reflect
Speaker 1: on what I was thinking at the time. How sweet
Speaker 1: to be able to play Tim's words back to Anna
Speaker 1: years after he'd said them, and I hope to catch
Speaker 1: up with her again when Into Wellness has grown far
Speaker 1: and wide over the coming years. I'll pop the link
Speaker 1: in the show notes so you can check it out
Speaker 1: for yourselves, and if you enjoyed listening along, please do
Speaker 1: share and tag at Anna heinrich One to thank her
Speaker 1: for her time and to keep growing the neighborhood as
Speaker 1: far and wide as possible. And is back for another
Speaker 1: dose of Yeys of our Lives next week, so stay tuned,
Speaker 1: and I hope you're all seizing your yay
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