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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast from Mamma Mia.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to this Bill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm

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Speaker 2: Laura Brodnick and I'm Tina Burke and coming up on

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Speaker 2: the show today, the Bafters have taken place in London's.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that because we've had a

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Speaker 2: few very surprising wins, some very surprising losses with a

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Speaker 2: few of our favorite stars involved.

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Speaker 1: Rap Timothy Chalomy, I mean he's alive, which is alone

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Speaker 1: in well please me.

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Speaker 2: His Oscar Hopes took the tiniest dip. We'll get into that,

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Speaker 2: a slight dip. In a half plus, a viral essay

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Speaker 2: has come out about Kristen Bell and Dux Shepherd and

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Speaker 2: their marriage and being hated by your husband. A lot

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Speaker 2: of their celebrity friends have jumped in or We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about that because it is really blowing up

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Speaker 2: and we have some very strong opinions. But first, before

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Speaker 2: we get into the Baftists ceremony, let's talk about the

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Speaker 2: red carpet because this is one of the biggest nights

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Speaker 2: for Hollywood and awards season, and it's also people call

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Speaker 2: it the British version of the Oscars, which I guess

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Speaker 2: it is, but the Bafters is very prestigious awards night

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Speaker 2: in its own right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And like when you look at Awards season,

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Speaker 1: we've got the Golden Globes and Sag kind of wedged

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Speaker 1: after Bafters and Oscars, and it's like they're kind of

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Speaker 1: more like fun and casual, whereas Baptist feels very premium,

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Speaker 1: like there's royals there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Kate Skills were there and she was wearing

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Speaker 2: a dress she had one before, Kate Middleton. I know,

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Speaker 2: it's Princess Catherine. I know, but you know, sometimes it

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Speaker 2: just for seo purposes. Sorry, she came here's the thing,

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Speaker 2: not just us, but like the world's always like, don't

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Speaker 2: call her Kate Middleton. When anyone searches for her, they putting.

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Speaker 2: So that's why publications used her old name. And look,

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Speaker 2: Princess Catherine, Kate Middleton KM.

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Speaker 1: We all know who we're talking about. Yeah, that one.

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Speaker 1: She looks lovely. Yeah, they did look lovely. I wondered

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Speaker 1: did they face any hard hitting.

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Speaker 2: Questions on the red carpets, because like they're on the

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Speaker 2: board and they're like very much a part of it,

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Speaker 2: and it's the British press and So for the baftis

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Speaker 2: is usually like a good for them.

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Speaker 1: Because they walk their red carpet.

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Speaker 2: They don't usually do a lot of interviews, or if

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Speaker 2: they do, they do like one or two little moments,

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Speaker 2: but they're not doing interviews.

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Speaker 1: Yeah made a star or two. Yeah they have see them.

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Speaker 2: They walk into the room after everyone has seated, they

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Speaker 2: get a special like round of applause from the audience.

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Speaker 2: It's actually a very good pr night for Kate william Yes,

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Speaker 2: works out well for them. Okay, so getting onto the

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Speaker 2: red carpet. So the thing what the bafters is, I

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Speaker 2: do like it because it's super elegant and fun, but

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Speaker 2: it means that no one really takes a risk with

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Speaker 2: a dress the way they would it like the Grammys

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Speaker 2: or even the Golden Globe.

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Speaker 1: So it was all very safe tonight. But everyone looked hot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there were some dresses that were like very interestingly elegant,

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Speaker 1: like Aaron Doherty from Adolescence. She was wearing Louis Vuitton

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Speaker 1: and it was like a strapless gown and it's like maybe,

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Speaker 1: but the bottom is like this really big voluminous skirt

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Speaker 1: and it's like all the fabric is like she's holding

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Speaker 1: it up so I could try to how would you.

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Speaker 2: Even describe this, Laura at all?

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Speaker 1: But I was letting you.

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Speaker 2: Have that room because you were doing so well. So

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Speaker 2: it's a navy blue, which boring choice for a red

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Speaker 2: carpet dress, but not for.

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Speaker 1: This, not this one.

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Speaker 2: It's got spaghetti straps and the deepest v that is

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Speaker 1: Well, the straps are very small.

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Speaker 2: But they are doing a lot because they are holding

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Speaker 1: And I loved this on her. It looks like a

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Speaker 2: And she's obviously had a huge, you know, win with

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Speaker 2: I guess, like the most cool girl I've seen her look.

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Speaker 2: And I wonder if she's like, we're on my home

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean maybe that was the coolest dress

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Speaker 1: maybe we'll put it on our Instagram. We'll post all

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Speaker 1: of these photos on our Instagram with a handy like

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Speaker 1: these are the dresses we talked about on the pod

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Speaker 1: kind of thing, so you guys know exactly what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. So actually, yeah, please open your Instagram now,

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Speaker 1: go to the Spill podcast account and have these pictures

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Speaker 1: not going to be great. It's not good. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: But one question I do have burning in my mind

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Speaker 1: often we often talk about this with met goa how

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Speaker 1: did she sit in that? Did she change? I want

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Speaker 1: I don't think she did. I think she sat in it.

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Speaker 1: It must be it's sitting out. Really, it's structure, but

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Speaker 1: kind of like how Arian and Grande is dressed at

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Speaker 1: the Oscars last year. Also had that big, crazy structure,

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Speaker 1: but then it's hoops underneath, so it folded inward. What

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Speaker 1: to think about it? Did you love well? Obviously for me,

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Speaker 1: Gracie Abrams and poor Mescalo making there like oh calf

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Speaker 1: at debut. Obviously maybe we should plan no. No.

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Speaker 2: As soon as I saw the picture of them together,

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Speaker 2: I thought, this is going to be a huge day

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Speaker 2: for Tina Burke. So well, they kind of had their

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Speaker 2: red carpet debut last week wearing bloody baseball hats as

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Speaker 2: they went to like Paul McCartney's low key Premi. But

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Speaker 2: they did do a bunch of posing on that red

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Speaker 2: carp They posed together, but like mostly Paul was in

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Speaker 1: But they're in literally like casual sun outfits. It's not

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Speaker 2: So this is like, this is their big this is

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Speaker 1: Maybe they were inspired by like Timmy and Kylie. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they were like it's time. But they walked the red

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Speaker 1: carpet together and they're just so freaking cute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they've been the backstory because I know you're

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Speaker 2: obsessed with them. They mean together for quite a while,

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Speaker 2: but they were very private for the first what have

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Speaker 1: Like two years now? They were Yeah, it blew up

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Speaker 1: friends while he was engaged to Phoebe Bridges. He and

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Speaker 2: Had forgotten about the Phoebe Bridges thingmember how she said

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Speaker 1: Which is I think that's how he gets his girls,

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Speaker 1: because I think Racie Abrams also like had a crush

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Speaker 2: And she was like, I'm just going to oh, I

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Speaker 1: And he goes sure, and then they forll madly in

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Speaker 1: they've been together since them, but they've been pretty low key.

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Speaker 1: Her last album, she had more songs about him, especially

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Speaker 1: one called Packing It up. If you want to feel

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Speaker 1: romantic and beautiful, go listen to that one, guys. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: they've just been a bit more public recently, so I

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Speaker 1: guess the natural next step red carpet debut.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they walked out together. It was very sweet. She

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Speaker 2: looked lovely. I mean, why don't think we even have

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Speaker 1: In something nice and sparking. Yeah, beautiful, sparkly, low back.

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Speaker 2: But the real picture is like he's smiling towards the camera,

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Speaker 1: They're really cute. It's actually the most emotion No, I'm kidding,

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Speaker 1: it was just so lovely. It was lovely.

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Speaker 2: It was so funny because like I was reading the

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Speaker 1: So the BBC's like on the ground, Yes they didn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't want to obviously get into like the

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Speaker 2: Grazie Abrams, they capture was like walk together. Some fans

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Speaker 2: Not me, though we would never report on such a thing,

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Speaker 2: but that's what everyone's saying. Someone else I loved was

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Speaker 1: She's been wearing the coolest thing too. I have not

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Speaker 2: And also, sorry, she has personal style and she's obviously

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Speaker 1: They've also always got something interesting going on, like there

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Speaker 2: It's just so different down thing she's worn. So it's

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Speaker 2: looks like a vampire queen descending, descending from the heavens

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Speaker 2: and walking down the red carpet. And that's exactly the

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Speaker 1: Does she fit in your favorite movie?

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Speaker 2: She looks incredible and it's like coming up and covering

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Speaker 2: same color, yeah, poking out the bottom.

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Speaker 1: So that for her. Yeah. I also really love Chase

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Speaker 1: Infinity And was it also kind of a plum color

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Speaker 1: I really hope he does. He deserves it more than

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Speaker 2: I mean, Amelia pro is one of the most nominated

434
00:18:15,354 --> 00:18:17,674
Speaker 2: films in history, and obviously they kind of peered it

435
00:18:17,674 --> 00:18:19,313
Speaker 2: out and it's always all done on one but they

436
00:18:19,354 --> 00:18:21,954
Speaker 2: peed it out because of the awful quotes from the

437
00:18:22,034 --> 00:18:26,074
Speaker 2: lead actress. But also that movie didn't shift culture at all.

438
00:18:26,514 --> 00:18:29,434
Speaker 2: What do we think about timoth tay Schala may being

439
00:18:29,474 --> 00:18:32,234
Speaker 2: in the audience with Kylie Jenner by his side, which

440
00:18:32,274 --> 00:18:33,674
Speaker 2: is kind of cute that it wasn't a big deal

441
00:18:33,714 --> 00:18:35,194
Speaker 2: that she was there. Everyone was like, oh, yeah, Kylie

442
00:18:35,234 --> 00:18:37,394
Speaker 2: Jenner's there because that's his partner and they love each

443
00:18:37,394 --> 00:18:39,274
Speaker 2: other and they're cute. What do you think about him

444
00:18:39,314 --> 00:18:42,474
Speaker 2: not winning Best Actor and also Leonardo DiCaprio also not

445
00:18:42,514 --> 00:18:43,354
Speaker 2: winning Best Actor.

446
00:18:43,594 --> 00:18:48,874
Speaker 1: I think he this threwest manner in the works.

447
00:18:48,514 --> 00:18:50,593
Speaker 2: Man and I might not love an award show when

448
00:18:50,594 --> 00:18:52,194
Speaker 2: an name gets called out.

449
00:18:52,394 --> 00:18:55,594
Speaker 1: Robert R. Mayo won the award and beat Timothy beat Leo,

450
00:18:55,714 --> 00:18:57,674
Speaker 1: and he actually got up on stage and it was

451
00:18:57,714 --> 00:18:59,954
Speaker 1: really cute. He was like, I can't believe I'm looking

452
00:18:59,994 --> 00:19:02,674
Speaker 1: at people like you and pointed to Leo. Yeah, and

453
00:19:02,714 --> 00:19:04,033
Speaker 1: like Leo gave a little smile.

454
00:19:04,154 --> 00:19:06,954
Speaker 2: But it's like Leo's I came to London to win

455
00:19:06,994 --> 00:19:09,714
Speaker 2: a after and now I'm leaving with not watching this kid.

456
00:19:09,914 --> 00:19:12,634
Speaker 2: I left my yacht and my young hot women in

457
00:19:12,674 --> 00:19:15,114
Speaker 2: bikinis for this and now I'm walking away with nothing and.

458
00:19:15,114 --> 00:19:16,954
Speaker 1: Now this guy's on stage pointing it out for all

459
00:19:16,994 --> 00:19:19,554
Speaker 1: to see it. But no, Robert was like so excited

460
00:19:19,594 --> 00:19:22,034
Speaker 1: when he won. He jumped up screaming everyone around him screaming.

461
00:19:22,354 --> 00:19:24,234
Speaker 1: It wasn't upset because it was really going to sort

462
00:19:24,234 --> 00:19:26,114
Speaker 1: of Timothy's one more. But he and Leo are being

463
00:19:26,314 --> 00:19:27,754
Speaker 1: still very neck and neck in the.

464
00:19:27,754 --> 00:19:30,154
Speaker 2: Best Actor race, and the Bafts is one of the

465
00:19:30,234 --> 00:19:32,474
Speaker 2: closer things to the Oscars, not in terms of voters,

466
00:19:32,594 --> 00:19:35,234
Speaker 2: just in terms of like clout and how people will

467
00:19:35,274 --> 00:19:36,634
Speaker 2: fill ballots in and things like that.

468
00:19:36,874 --> 00:19:38,033
Speaker 1: So this was going to.

469
00:19:38,034 --> 00:19:39,594
Speaker 2: Be a turning point for both of them. So now

470
00:19:39,594 --> 00:19:41,674
Speaker 2: it's just left the field wide open again. It's all

471
00:19:41,674 --> 00:19:43,074
Speaker 2: going to come down to the SAG.

472
00:19:42,794 --> 00:19:46,114
Speaker 1: Award, which probably was Timmy, Well probably will.

473
00:19:46,194 --> 00:19:47,754
Speaker 2: I think Timothy's gonna win those Gay and I think

474
00:19:47,754 --> 00:19:50,634
Speaker 2: he's gonna win the SAG and they're the biggest Oscar crossovers.

475
00:19:50,834 --> 00:19:52,754
Speaker 1: I guess it will come down to probably the Timmy

476
00:19:52,794 --> 00:19:55,794
Speaker 1: vie Leo, with Timmy winning like we assume. But it was, Yeah,

477
00:19:55,834 --> 00:19:57,154
Speaker 1: it was nice to see him and Kylie in the

478
00:19:57,194 --> 00:19:59,234
Speaker 1: audience and I do think they're getting more comfortable, but

479
00:19:59,274 --> 00:20:01,834
Speaker 1: not still weird. Allan com and did a bit where

480
00:20:01,834 --> 00:20:04,034
Speaker 1: he was like handing out like British stacks and treats

481
00:20:04,154 --> 00:20:05,954
Speaker 1: to the audience, and he goes up to Timmy and

482
00:20:05,994 --> 00:20:07,634
Speaker 1: Kylie and he asked if she's ever had a Jammy

483
00:20:07,674 --> 00:20:10,474
Speaker 1: Dodger in her mouth, which that's how he jokes, like

484
00:20:10,514 --> 00:20:13,353
Speaker 1: he did it to everyone. But obviously she was and

485
00:20:13,634 --> 00:20:15,554
Speaker 1: is allowed to feel probably a bit awkward, and she

486
00:20:15,634 --> 00:20:17,114
Speaker 1: just kind of was like no, and just like took

487
00:20:17,114 --> 00:20:18,914
Speaker 1: it off him. Like she doesn't exude, you know how.

488
00:20:18,994 --> 00:20:21,914
Speaker 1: Kylie's got quite the personality. Yeah, she doesn't ever put

489
00:20:21,914 --> 00:20:23,954
Speaker 1: it out there at the awards shows. So Timmy was

490
00:20:24,034 --> 00:20:25,874
Speaker 1: joking back and forth, and she just sits there as

491
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Speaker 1: the quiet partner.

492
00:20:26,994 --> 00:20:29,514
Speaker 2: The thing that Kylie gener is She's obviously has been

493
00:20:29,554 --> 00:20:31,594
Speaker 2: mega famous for most of her life since she was

494
00:20:31,594 --> 00:20:35,154
Speaker 2: ten years old, but she's not a public facing person. No,

495
00:20:35,474 --> 00:20:37,793
Speaker 2: her fame is from filming with her family, like in

496
00:20:37,914 --> 00:20:40,834
Speaker 2: enclosed houses with usually one or two of her family members,

497
00:20:41,154 --> 00:20:44,754
Speaker 2: and then posting videos making makeup. She is not a

498
00:20:44,794 --> 00:20:46,834
Speaker 2: public facing person, Like she doesn't get up on stage

499
00:20:46,874 --> 00:20:48,834
Speaker 2: and perform, she doesn't got to award shows, and she

500
00:20:49,194 --> 00:20:49,874
Speaker 2: does this and stuff.

501
00:20:49,874 --> 00:20:51,674
Speaker 1: It's normally for something to do with her, So she's

502
00:20:51,674 --> 00:20:53,354
Speaker 1: bubbly and excited because she knows it's like.

503
00:20:53,314 --> 00:20:55,394
Speaker 2: Her people, and she's I think for her, like events

504
00:20:55,514 --> 00:20:57,474
Speaker 2: is like she goes and takes a picture and leaves,

505
00:20:57,834 --> 00:20:59,754
Speaker 2: whereas it's different for actors because they have to be

506
00:20:59,834 --> 00:21:03,834
Speaker 2: constantly interviewed, constantly performing, constantly up on stage. But I

507
00:21:03,834 --> 00:21:05,674
Speaker 2: would say for her, award shows are very much out

508
00:21:05,714 --> 00:21:07,833
Speaker 2: of her comfort zone because that's why all of her

509
00:21:07,834 --> 00:21:09,794
Speaker 2: photos are ones that she's just taken at home, which

510
00:21:09,834 --> 00:21:11,794
Speaker 2: I know a lot of actors do. But she's really

511
00:21:11,834 --> 00:21:14,914
Speaker 2: comfortable at home with her team, yeah, and making her content.

512
00:21:14,994 --> 00:21:17,114
Speaker 2: But you put her into these like bigger situations, and

513
00:21:17,154 --> 00:21:18,554
Speaker 2: she's you can see that she's a bit like I

514
00:21:18,594 --> 00:21:20,793
Speaker 2: don't have control of this the way I usually have control.

515
00:21:20,874 --> 00:21:22,634
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, that is it. And I did enjoy

516
00:21:22,714 --> 00:21:25,313
Speaker 1: Killian Murphy in the background watching it all unfold. His

517
00:21:25,354 --> 00:21:28,434
Speaker 1: face is like I just want to leave.

518
00:21:28,714 --> 00:21:28,954
Speaker 2: I know.

519
00:21:29,154 --> 00:21:31,074
Speaker 1: Congrats to him in a vonn for going though, because

520
00:21:31,114 --> 00:21:33,394
Speaker 1: I know they just don't want to be yeah exactly,

521
00:21:33,634 --> 00:21:36,114
Speaker 1: And speaking of Irish people, just very quickly and a

522
00:21:36,194 --> 00:21:38,474
Speaker 1: nice transition from me. Jesse Buckley won the Award for

523
00:21:38,474 --> 00:21:40,474
Speaker 1: Best Actress, which we assume she'll also then win the

524
00:21:40,514 --> 00:21:42,354
Speaker 1: SAG and we assume she's gonna win the Oscar for

525
00:21:42,354 --> 00:21:44,274
Speaker 1: her role in Hamnet. But she said something I think

526
00:21:44,274 --> 00:21:47,474
Speaker 1: you'll relate to, which is she thanked her agent, Lindy,

527
00:21:47,834 --> 00:21:49,674
Speaker 1: and she said, the first time they met, she rocked

528
00:21:49,754 --> 00:21:53,154
Speaker 1: up with a nuclear bad fake tan wow, which is

529
00:21:53,154 --> 00:21:56,074
Speaker 1: something you often complain about being shot. I've got right now,

530
00:21:56,074 --> 00:21:57,594
Speaker 1: I've got one on right now. Is how not?

531
00:21:57,634 --> 00:21:59,634
Speaker 2: My feet are a wildly different color to my hands

532
00:21:59,634 --> 00:22:01,194
Speaker 2: and face. That's why I'm covering them up.

533
00:22:01,394 --> 00:22:03,313
Speaker 1: And she said she had the audacity to say to

534
00:22:03,314 --> 00:22:05,034
Speaker 1: her that someday she dreamed to be a little bit

535
00:22:05,074 --> 00:22:06,674
Speaker 1: like Judy Dench and you know what I think she

536
00:22:06,834 --> 00:22:10,714
Speaker 1: is like. And it's nice to see a dream realized exactly.

537
00:22:10,794 --> 00:22:12,474
Speaker 1: And she said, I don't know how on God's green

538
00:22:12,474 --> 00:22:14,234
Speaker 1: Earth she thought it was possible, but thank you for

539
00:22:14,314 --> 00:22:17,474
Speaker 1: encouraging me to be disobedient and curious and human. And oh,

540
00:22:17,554 --> 00:22:20,234
Speaker 1: Jesse Buckley, what a speech. Give What a beautiful run

541
00:22:20,274 --> 00:22:21,794
Speaker 1: she's had to. I mean, it's kind of one of

542
00:22:21,794 --> 00:22:24,434
Speaker 1: the things, like the best Actress category. The Oscars is locked,

543
00:22:24,434 --> 00:22:27,154
Speaker 1: like she's definitely gonna win, So there's not excitement there,

544
00:22:27,154 --> 00:22:29,434
Speaker 1: but there's a little excitement because she's so excited every

545
00:22:29,434 --> 00:22:32,114
Speaker 1: time she wins, and I can't wait for her Oscar speech.

546
00:22:32,314 --> 00:22:34,754
Speaker 1: And also she is the first Irish actress to win

547
00:22:34,994 --> 00:22:36,954
Speaker 1: that award at the Bafts, so she's a little bit

548
00:22:37,034 --> 00:22:40,154
Speaker 1: history making as well. So Baft's over for another year.

549
00:22:40,194 --> 00:22:40,874
Speaker 1: What a fun time.

550
00:22:40,914 --> 00:22:42,594
Speaker 2: And now we're coming into the home. This is the

551
00:22:42,594 --> 00:22:44,194
Speaker 2: best time of year for me. We're coming into the

552
00:22:44,194 --> 00:22:45,434
Speaker 2: home stretch of award season.

553
00:22:45,594 --> 00:22:47,434
Speaker 1: What could happen? Who knows? I'm so excited.

554
00:22:49,354 --> 00:22:52,154
Speaker 2: So last night, as I was preparing for bed, I

555
00:22:52,194 --> 00:22:55,114
Speaker 2: saw an essay pop up on the cut and I

556
00:22:55,154 --> 00:22:57,793
Speaker 2: thought to myself, well, that's going to blow up, and

557
00:22:57,834 --> 00:23:00,394
Speaker 2: this morning it really kind of has. So the essay

558
00:23:00,434 --> 00:23:03,434
Speaker 2: is entitled I Love my husband and then in brackets

559
00:23:03,474 --> 00:23:07,634
Speaker 2: who hates me? And then it says nothing inspires like

560
00:23:07,674 --> 00:23:11,474
Speaker 2: a woman who defends her partner's bad behavior. Now that

561
00:23:11,554 --> 00:23:14,594
Speaker 2: headline is it's a great headline. It's really engaging, it's interesting.

562
00:23:14,634 --> 00:23:16,594
Speaker 2: It kind of stopped in my tracks, which is obviously

563
00:23:16,674 --> 00:23:18,754
Speaker 2: what every writer wants with their piece. Is being posted

564
00:23:18,794 --> 00:23:21,274
Speaker 2: on the internet. But it wasn't so much the title

565
00:23:21,594 --> 00:23:25,354
Speaker 2: but the pictures that went with it, because on the

566
00:23:25,434 --> 00:23:28,553
Speaker 2: CUTS homepage, it's more of an old school black and

567
00:23:28,594 --> 00:23:31,994
Speaker 2: white photo from I Love Lucy illustrating it, which, again,

568
00:23:32,114 --> 00:23:34,314
Speaker 2: using an image from a TV show or movie with

569
00:23:34,354 --> 00:23:36,273
Speaker 2: something like this is often the safest way to go

570
00:23:36,314 --> 00:23:38,674
Speaker 2: because it's about characters and not about real life people.

571
00:23:39,114 --> 00:23:41,474
Speaker 2: But the social cell for this I Love my Husband

572
00:23:41,474 --> 00:23:44,754
Speaker 2: who Hates Me essay is very much hooked on Kristen

573
00:23:44,794 --> 00:23:47,994
Speaker 2: Bell and Dax Shepherd. So the pictures on the Cuts

574
00:23:48,034 --> 00:23:51,394
Speaker 2: Instagram account is of Kristen and Dax, and then the

575
00:23:51,434 --> 00:23:54,194
Speaker 2: next image they've got up is a whole bunch of

576
00:23:54,234 --> 00:23:57,794
Speaker 2: tweets about how much people hate him and how much

577
00:23:57,874 --> 00:24:00,354
Speaker 2: they think he hates his wife, Kristen Bell. So this

578
00:24:00,434 --> 00:24:02,954
Speaker 2: is written by the Cut writer Bindu Bansi. She's like,

579
00:24:03,034 --> 00:24:04,234
Speaker 2: right at the cart, She's put a name on it,

580
00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:05,874
Speaker 2: she put a face on it. That's all well and good.

581
00:24:06,114 --> 00:24:08,834
Speaker 2: She starts her essay off by saying. In early January,

582
00:24:08,914 --> 00:24:11,994
Speaker 2: Kristen Bell and Cher joined Dak Shepherd to record an

583
00:24:12,034 --> 00:24:12,553
Speaker 2: episode of.

584
00:24:12,554 --> 00:24:16,314
Speaker 1: His podcast Armchair Expert. It soon devolved into an awkward,

585
00:24:16,314 --> 00:24:20,394
Speaker 1: if painfully relatable situation, a confrontation between your husband and

586
00:24:20,474 --> 00:24:23,314
Speaker 1: your friend who has never liked him. After Cher said

587
00:24:23,354 --> 00:24:25,914
Speaker 1: Bell was Shepherd's better half, he asked her who her

588
00:24:25,994 --> 00:24:29,114
Speaker 1: dream partner for Bell would be, and then he went

589
00:24:29,154 --> 00:24:30,834
Speaker 1: on to say, like, well, I think you think she

590
00:24:30,834 --> 00:24:32,954
Speaker 1: could do better than me, and Cher was said, I

591
00:24:32,994 --> 00:24:34,874
Speaker 1: don't disagree. So we talked about the time.

592
00:24:35,034 --> 00:24:38,314
Speaker 2: That clip went quite viral, and then in this essay,

593
00:24:38,634 --> 00:24:40,674
Speaker 2: the writer has gone through and pulled a whole bunch

594
00:24:40,754 --> 00:24:43,474
Speaker 2: of comments where people say he hates his wife, he

595
00:24:43,554 --> 00:24:46,794
Speaker 2: resents her, he hates Kristin Bell. In the interview, of course,

596
00:24:46,914 --> 00:24:50,273
Speaker 2: Cher laughed it off, and later on Dax and Monica Padman,

597
00:24:50,354 --> 00:24:52,994
Speaker 2: his co host on the podcast, both said like, it

598
00:24:53,034 --> 00:24:55,754
Speaker 2: was just a moment in time, It's passed, and now

599
00:24:55,794 --> 00:24:57,234
Speaker 2: it's being brought up again in a essay.

600
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just a moment in time, because

601
00:25:00,274 --> 00:25:03,154
Speaker 1: it's a recurring thing with Kristen Bell and Dak Shepherd

602
00:25:03,194 --> 00:25:05,754
Speaker 1: where he says things or she says things that makes

603
00:25:05,794 --> 00:25:09,994
Speaker 1: the entire internet go oh yeah, okay. And it's like

604
00:25:10,034 --> 00:25:12,594
Speaker 1: the Instagram post she did earlier this year talking about him.

605
00:25:12,954 --> 00:25:15,033
Speaker 1: Was it last year twenty twenty, what year are we

606
00:25:15,074 --> 00:25:18,914
Speaker 1: in it? Yeah, it's like she'll do an Instagram post

607
00:25:18,954 --> 00:25:21,234
Speaker 1: and she'll mention something about his behavior that sets fans off,

608
00:25:21,314 --> 00:25:24,554
Speaker 1: or it's often the podcast, but yes, this happens frequently

609
00:25:24,594 --> 00:25:25,513
Speaker 1: two yem.

610
00:25:25,594 --> 00:25:27,434
Speaker 2: And that is where the essay goes in. So it

611
00:25:27,474 --> 00:25:30,114
Speaker 2: talks about this big share moment that really blew up.

612
00:25:30,154 --> 00:25:31,794
Speaker 2: But then it goes on to say in twenty twenty,

613
00:25:31,874 --> 00:25:34,034
Speaker 2: Bell joked about the time she left sheperd a note

614
00:25:34,074 --> 00:25:36,834
Speaker 2: asking him to do laundry, leading to a fight so

615
00:25:36,874 --> 00:25:39,994
Speaker 2: intense they didn't speak for three days. And then she

616
00:25:40,074 --> 00:25:42,914
Speaker 2: goes on to talk about their twelfth wedding anniversary, which

617
00:25:42,954 --> 00:25:43,994
Speaker 2: was October last year.

618
00:25:44,114 --> 00:25:45,794
Speaker 1: There's your timeline. There you go where.

619
00:25:45,674 --> 00:25:48,234
Speaker 2: Kristen Bell put up a post on Instagram saying to

620
00:25:48,274 --> 00:25:50,034
Speaker 2: the man who once said to me, I would never

621
00:25:50,114 --> 00:25:52,954
Speaker 2: kill you, even though I'm heavily incentivized to kill you,

622
00:25:53,034 --> 00:25:55,794
Speaker 2: I never would. And obviously that blew up to such

623
00:25:55,794 --> 00:25:57,954
Speaker 2: an extent that we think she opted out of some

624
00:25:58,034 --> 00:26:00,674
Speaker 2: press for the season two run of Nobody Wants This,

625
00:26:00,754 --> 00:26:04,154
Speaker 2: and she definitely limited her Instagram comments. So they're the

626
00:26:04,194 --> 00:26:08,114
Speaker 2: three examples that the writer has used as this example

627
00:26:08,274 --> 00:26:11,954
Speaker 2: of women talking about their husbands, despising them in a

628
00:26:12,034 --> 00:26:14,234
Speaker 2: joky way, but the audience picking it up in a

629
00:26:14,314 --> 00:26:17,554
Speaker 2: very intense way and then hating on the man involved.

630
00:26:17,634 --> 00:26:20,314
Speaker 1: And it goes quite heavily into something that I've been

631
00:26:20,914 --> 00:26:23,674
Speaker 1: very across in my days on the internet, and we

632
00:26:23,714 --> 00:26:26,154
Speaker 1: spoke about quite a bit earlier this year, not where

633
00:26:26,194 --> 00:26:28,874
Speaker 1: you and me, but in our editorial meetings, wondering if

634
00:26:28,874 --> 00:26:31,634
Speaker 1: there was something about it that was interesting. Because over

635
00:26:31,714 --> 00:26:34,114
Speaker 1: Christmas it blew up as this thing called Butterdish girls

636
00:26:34,794 --> 00:26:37,274
Speaker 1: on TikTok, and it was what this author gets into

637
00:26:37,314 --> 00:26:38,954
Speaker 1: in this article because, like you said, like on the

638
00:26:38,994 --> 00:26:40,834
Speaker 1: site they've got a picture of like I love Lucy.

639
00:26:40,914 --> 00:26:43,273
Speaker 1: This article is not just about Kristen and Dax. It

640
00:26:43,314 --> 00:26:45,754
Speaker 1: talks about as well, like this online phenomenon of women

641
00:26:45,874 --> 00:26:50,474
Speaker 1: complaining about their husbands to the masses wanting sympathy. But

642
00:26:50,514 --> 00:26:53,234
Speaker 1: then when it turns into commentary like well you should

643
00:26:53,314 --> 00:26:55,714
Speaker 1: leave him, well I don't think he likes seeck, well

644
00:26:55,834 --> 00:26:58,474
Speaker 1: he sucks, or you're letting him like treat you like garbage,

645
00:26:58,514 --> 00:27:00,994
Speaker 1: or it's weabonizing competence, all those kinds of comments. When

646
00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:03,513
Speaker 1: that comes the inevitable follow up, often from people on

647
00:27:03,554 --> 00:27:06,634
Speaker 1: TikTok is a video saying and it's always a formula.

648
00:27:07,194 --> 00:27:09,314
Speaker 1: That was one video it was a moment in time,

649
00:27:09,434 --> 00:27:12,114
Speaker 1: you don't understand our relationship, you don't understand how nice

650
00:27:12,114 --> 00:27:15,074
Speaker 1: he is to me, leave us alone. And it always

651
00:27:15,114 --> 00:27:17,514
Speaker 1: follows this exact formula. And over Christmas there was one

652
00:27:17,514 --> 00:27:19,714
Speaker 1: woman who just said she got given a butter dish

653
00:27:19,714 --> 00:27:21,954
Speaker 1: for Christmas instead of thinks she wanted, and so she

654
00:27:22,034 --> 00:27:24,914
Speaker 1: was icing out her husband. Oh sure, And that started

655
00:27:24,914 --> 00:27:27,634
Speaker 1: this discourse of like women getting sick of having to

656
00:27:27,714 --> 00:27:31,634
Speaker 1: be the moral support or like the emotional support for

657
00:27:31,714 --> 00:27:33,594
Speaker 1: women complaining about their husbands if they're not going to

658
00:27:33,634 --> 00:27:36,074
Speaker 1: do anything about it. Yeah, And that is really interesting

659
00:27:36,074 --> 00:27:37,594
Speaker 1: to me because I was like, yeah, like if you

660
00:27:37,634 --> 00:27:39,074
Speaker 1: are going to put something on the internet or you

661
00:27:39,114 --> 00:27:40,914
Speaker 1: are going to say something. There are a lot of

662
00:27:40,954 --> 00:27:43,514
Speaker 1: women in relationships and like men too. There's this really

663
00:27:43,514 --> 00:27:47,634
Speaker 1: classic thing of oh, he's so incompetent, Like yeah, husbands

664
00:27:47,634 --> 00:27:49,834
Speaker 1: are just like that, right, And then now there is

665
00:27:49,874 --> 00:27:52,034
Speaker 1: a group of women, a growing group of women and

666
00:27:52,154 --> 00:27:53,834
Speaker 1: men online who don't want to be part of this.

667
00:27:53,914 --> 00:27:56,314
Speaker 1: It's like, leave us out of your shit. Essentially is

668
00:27:56,354 --> 00:27:58,874
Speaker 1: the way this conversation has gone, and this author talks

669
00:27:58,914 --> 00:28:00,914
Speaker 1: a lot about it. It's like, if you're going to

670
00:28:00,954 --> 00:28:03,434
Speaker 1: put something out to the peanut gallery, why are you

671
00:28:03,474 --> 00:28:05,513
Speaker 1: mad when they start throwing peanuts? Is one of the

672
00:28:05,554 --> 00:28:08,513
Speaker 1: kind of badly paraphrasing. It's from the article. Yeah, so

673
00:28:08,594 --> 00:28:11,474
Speaker 1: that is something that's been a growing thing online where

674
00:28:11,474 --> 00:28:14,354
Speaker 1: people just like don't want to see even if it's

675
00:28:14,394 --> 00:28:16,274
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek, or even if you're making a joke

676
00:28:16,354 --> 00:28:19,073
Speaker 1: like Kristen was in her anniversary post. Why do you

677
00:28:19,274 --> 00:28:21,074
Speaker 1: want us to think it's funny that your husband jokes

678
00:28:21,074 --> 00:28:23,314
Speaker 1: about killing you? That upsets people?

679
00:28:23,554 --> 00:28:25,353
Speaker 2: No, I understand that, And that's I think this is

680
00:28:25,354 --> 00:28:27,914
Speaker 2: interesting because there's a few layers to it. One is that,

681
00:28:27,954 --> 00:28:30,354
Speaker 2: as you're saying, this essay is not just about it's

682
00:28:30,354 --> 00:28:32,514
Speaker 2: not a hit piece on Kristen Bell and Duck Shepherd.

683
00:28:32,794 --> 00:28:34,914
Speaker 2: It talks about a lot of other different examples. There's

684
00:28:34,914 --> 00:28:37,274
Speaker 2: other voices in there. And what the writer has done

685
00:28:37,434 --> 00:28:39,914
Speaker 2: is something that most writers who write in the cultural

686
00:28:39,914 --> 00:28:41,994
Speaker 2: pop culture space as you and I do, is that

687
00:28:42,274 --> 00:28:45,074
Speaker 2: you use a celebrity couple or a person or a

688
00:28:45,154 --> 00:28:48,434
Speaker 2: moment to explore a bigger idea and to me, that's

689
00:28:48,474 --> 00:28:51,314
Speaker 2: the interesting part about celebrity, because celebrities there silly kids

690
00:28:51,314 --> 00:28:52,714
Speaker 2: that they are all of the time. They're not that

691
00:28:52,794 --> 00:28:56,074
Speaker 2: interesting on just like a granular level. What's interesting about

692
00:28:56,114 --> 00:28:57,834
Speaker 2: them is the conversations we get to have off the

693
00:28:57,834 --> 00:29:00,274
Speaker 2: back of them because they're living in the public eye.

694
00:29:00,394 --> 00:29:03,434
Speaker 2: And so as much as Kristin Bell and dak Sheppard

695
00:29:03,474 --> 00:29:05,674
Speaker 2: are like kind of the hook of the article, it's

696
00:29:05,714 --> 00:29:08,834
Speaker 2: not about them, But I do understand why people are

697
00:29:08,874 --> 00:29:10,594
Speaker 2: so upset because it's.

698
00:29:10,514 --> 00:29:13,794
Speaker 1: The instagram is very much about that about them exactly.

699
00:29:13,874 --> 00:29:16,234
Speaker 2: And also you know, it's going through all of these

700
00:29:16,234 --> 00:29:18,994
Speaker 2: moments from the Share interview, which again a lot of

701
00:29:19,034 --> 00:29:22,154
Speaker 2: people had a huge backlash against because they thought that

702
00:29:22,314 --> 00:29:26,634
Speaker 2: Dux was making Kristin uncomfortable. And also this thing about like, haha,

703
00:29:26,674 --> 00:29:29,354
Speaker 2: I'm a bad guy and everyone thinks. So that was

704
00:29:29,394 --> 00:29:31,834
Speaker 2: the inference. The one where they're talking about the note

705
00:29:31,874 --> 00:29:34,354
Speaker 2: in the laundry is an interesting one to bring up

706
00:29:34,394 --> 00:29:35,474
Speaker 2: because that did blow up.

707
00:29:35,514 --> 00:29:37,674
Speaker 1: But I also think context is important.

708
00:29:37,714 --> 00:29:40,354
Speaker 2: When you just read that little section the cut article

709
00:29:40,714 --> 00:29:44,514
Speaker 2: that does sound bad. She wrote him a note about laundry.

710
00:29:44,994 --> 00:29:47,754
Speaker 2: He got upset. They didn't talk for many days. I

711
00:29:47,794 --> 00:29:49,714
Speaker 2: remember listening to that story for the first time in

712
00:29:49,754 --> 00:29:53,074
Speaker 2: a longer context because Kristin Bell told it on Justin

713
00:29:53,114 --> 00:29:53,954
Speaker 2: Long's podcast.

714
00:29:53,994 --> 00:29:55,074
Speaker 1: Was the first time I heard it.

715
00:29:55,314 --> 00:29:57,114
Speaker 2: And they're really close friends and they were having a

716
00:29:57,154 --> 00:30:00,274
Speaker 2: really emotional, lovely discussion that was like an hour long,

717
00:30:00,834 --> 00:30:02,914
Speaker 2: and that story went on for a long time. That

718
00:30:03,034 --> 00:30:05,914
Speaker 2: she felt very overwhelmed with the house and that everything

719
00:30:05,914 --> 00:30:08,034
Speaker 2: fell back on her. So she left him a note saying,

720
00:30:08,354 --> 00:30:10,514
Speaker 2: can you do this thing, this thing and take these

721
00:30:10,554 --> 00:30:13,474
Speaker 2: two towels out of the laundry, And later on that

722
00:30:13,554 --> 00:30:16,074
Speaker 2: night she could tell he was upset, and she said

723
00:30:16,074 --> 00:30:18,314
Speaker 2: to him, like, what's wrong, And he's like, when you

724
00:30:18,354 --> 00:30:20,114
Speaker 2: write me a note, I feel like you're telling me

725
00:30:20,154 --> 00:30:21,834
Speaker 2: what to do and I feel like you don't trust me.

726
00:30:21,914 --> 00:30:23,194
Speaker 2: And then she was like, well, I feel like you

727
00:30:23,234 --> 00:30:25,714
Speaker 2: do nothing to help me, and he was like, well,

728
00:30:25,714 --> 00:30:27,554
Speaker 2: I'm never going to read your mind and notice what

729
00:30:27,594 --> 00:30:27,754
Speaker 2: you know.

730
00:30:27,754 --> 00:30:30,434
Speaker 1: It's like a very married person fight, yeah, and also

731
00:30:30,514 --> 00:30:33,074
Speaker 1: a fight I think a lot of married people I

732
00:30:33,114 --> 00:30:37,474
Speaker 1: know have yet people. It wasn't about the laundry.

733
00:30:37,514 --> 00:30:39,874
Speaker 2: It was about her saying you don't help me run

734
00:30:39,914 --> 00:30:43,114
Speaker 2: this house after our kids and him saying I feel

735
00:30:43,114 --> 00:30:45,394
Speaker 2: like you're being very controlling and you're getting upset at

736
00:30:45,394 --> 00:30:47,514
Speaker 2: me for not noticing what you notice when I noticed

737
00:30:47,554 --> 00:30:49,554
Speaker 2: other things that need to be done. And the other

738
00:30:49,554 --> 00:30:51,274
Speaker 2: part of that story was they didn't speak for three

739
00:30:51,314 --> 00:30:54,114
Speaker 2: days except to talk about the kids, and then she

740
00:30:54,234 --> 00:30:56,754
Speaker 2: took the kids to a dog shelter where you can

741
00:30:56,874 --> 00:30:58,594
Speaker 2: get a coffee and play with the dogs. And they

742
00:30:58,634 --> 00:31:01,154
Speaker 2: found this dog that was like on its last legs

743
00:31:01,234 --> 00:31:04,114
Speaker 2: and biting kids and like, create like, no one wanted

744
00:31:04,114 --> 00:31:06,754
Speaker 2: this dog. Yeah, And duck shepherd's really allergic to dogs.

745
00:31:06,794 --> 00:31:08,914
Speaker 2: And she messaged him and said, can we adopt this dog?

746
00:31:08,954 --> 00:31:10,914
Speaker 2: And he said yes, And she's like that to me

747
00:31:11,114 --> 00:31:13,394
Speaker 2: is he was like, I don't want this dog and

748
00:31:13,434 --> 00:31:15,474
Speaker 2: I'm allergic to it and her house is full of dogs.

749
00:31:15,514 --> 00:31:18,394
Speaker 2: But this is the makeup, you know, this is our

750
00:31:18,594 --> 00:31:22,114
Speaker 2: like special married person love language, and saying of her

751
00:31:22,194 --> 00:31:24,314
Speaker 2: being like it was like her starting the apology of

752
00:31:24,354 --> 00:31:26,834
Speaker 2: being like can I and him being like yes, yeah, reading'

753
00:31:26,834 --> 00:31:28,714
Speaker 2: is that what you will like? But I'm just saying

754
00:31:28,754 --> 00:31:31,434
Speaker 2: that's the full story, which is very different to to.

755
00:31:31,434 --> 00:31:33,234
Speaker 1: Just the way that's presented in a lie. Yeah, if

756
00:31:33,274 --> 00:31:34,754
Speaker 1: you just read the card article, you don't know the

757
00:31:34,794 --> 00:31:37,154
Speaker 1: full thing, and like two things can be true. Run

758
00:31:37,354 --> 00:31:40,034
Speaker 1: we're classic. We always say it. Yes, you can look

759
00:31:40,074 --> 00:31:42,314
Speaker 1: at the situation of like her needing to ask her

760
00:31:42,354 --> 00:31:44,794
Speaker 1: husband to do a basic task and him getting irritated

761
00:31:44,794 --> 00:31:47,274
Speaker 1: by that and go like, yes, it's a common thing

762
00:31:47,314 --> 00:31:49,474
Speaker 1: people deal with, but it's still annoying that women are

763
00:31:49,474 --> 00:31:51,354
Speaker 1: always having to carry the load. And you can be

764
00:31:51,394 --> 00:31:53,594
Speaker 1: annoyed at those kinds of relationships and have an opinion

765
00:31:53,634 --> 00:31:55,314
Speaker 1: on them, but you can also look at the nuance

766
00:31:55,354 --> 00:31:57,034
Speaker 1: and go like, Okay. A lot of couples, though, seem

767
00:31:57,074 --> 00:31:59,194
Speaker 1: to go through this kind of conversation routinely, and it

768
00:31:59,234 --> 00:32:02,914
Speaker 1: seems like they themselves have their own humor and their

769
00:32:02,914 --> 00:32:05,154
Speaker 1: own way of dealing with things, and when they tell

770
00:32:05,194 --> 00:32:08,074
Speaker 1: people this stuff, they're not doing it to necessarily be like, oh,

771
00:32:08,114 --> 00:32:09,874
Speaker 1: they're the worst. She's doing it to be like we

772
00:32:09,954 --> 00:32:12,794
Speaker 1: have a nuanced relationship and we work out things, like

773
00:32:12,994 --> 00:32:14,954
Speaker 1: I think in her mind, she thinks she's giving people

774
00:32:15,034 --> 00:32:17,114
Speaker 1: like an insight to their life, and it just always

775
00:32:17,114 --> 00:32:17,594
Speaker 1: blows up.

776
00:32:17,754 --> 00:32:19,994
Speaker 2: The insight thing is interesting because that's actually what I

777
00:32:20,034 --> 00:32:22,874
Speaker 2: think the problem is. I mean, we don't know Dax

778
00:32:22,914 --> 00:32:25,234
Speaker 2: Shepherd and Kristin Belt, but we can only speak on

779
00:32:25,394 --> 00:32:28,834
Speaker 2: the public facing part of their lives they put out.

780
00:32:28,994 --> 00:32:30,954
Speaker 2: And I think one of the reasons Dax and Christen

781
00:32:31,154 --> 00:32:34,754
Speaker 2: are always such a lightning rod for controversy and hate

782
00:32:34,754 --> 00:32:37,474
Speaker 2: and backlash is that they just give us so much

783
00:32:37,514 --> 00:32:40,474
Speaker 2: more access to their lives than any other A list

784
00:32:40,474 --> 00:32:43,514
Speaker 2: celebrity couple that I'm aware of, like the things I

785
00:32:43,554 --> 00:32:45,554
Speaker 2: know about these people more than I know about some

786
00:32:45,554 --> 00:32:47,954
Speaker 2: of my other friends relationships. And that is because of

787
00:32:47,994 --> 00:32:50,834
Speaker 2: his podcast Arm Checks But, that I've listened to for

788
00:32:51,034 --> 00:32:53,434
Speaker 2: It's been out for well over five years now, hundreds

789
00:32:53,474 --> 00:32:56,194
Speaker 2: of episodes. Kristin has been a guest a few times.

790
00:32:56,314 --> 00:32:58,194
Speaker 2: She also pops in sometimes.

791
00:32:57,714 --> 00:33:00,234
Speaker 1: For the fact check, like the share one, Yeah exactly.

792
00:32:59,874 --> 00:33:02,354
Speaker 2: Like she's the studios in their house. Sometimes she comes

793
00:33:02,354 --> 00:33:04,314
Speaker 2: in because like one of cause coffee got to live it. Eventually,

794
00:33:04,554 --> 00:33:07,514
Speaker 2: she'll just stay and keep chatting. And I've them have

795
00:33:07,594 --> 00:33:09,634
Speaker 2: fights on the podcast. I've heard them be really lovey

796
00:33:09,674 --> 00:33:12,354
Speaker 2: dovey on the podcast. They're very big on talking about

797
00:33:12,394 --> 00:33:14,754
Speaker 2: their feelings. Like the very first episode of arm Checks

798
00:33:14,794 --> 00:33:19,154
Speaker 2: But is Kristen Bell being interviewed and they have a fight. Yeah,

799
00:33:19,194 --> 00:33:21,274
Speaker 2: And the whole episode is them working through the fight,

800
00:33:21,394 --> 00:33:25,034
Speaker 2: and that is unprecedented access to such a high profile couple,

801
00:33:25,034 --> 00:33:26,674
Speaker 2: and I just don't think people know how to deal

802
00:33:26,714 --> 00:33:27,594
Speaker 2: with it to an extent.

803
00:33:27,754 --> 00:33:30,514
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And like I've always loved them as a couple,

804
00:33:30,594 --> 00:33:32,634
Speaker 1: like I love her, and then as a result, I've

805
00:33:32,674 --> 00:33:33,914
Speaker 1: loved that she seems happy with him.

806
00:33:34,994 --> 00:33:36,874
Speaker 2: I like, Without a Paddle, that was a great movie.

807
00:33:36,954 --> 00:33:38,954
Speaker 2: Oh God love you saying that his first people. I'm

808
00:33:38,954 --> 00:33:41,554
Speaker 2: obviously a little bit biased because she is running Commas

809
00:33:41,674 --> 00:33:43,834
Speaker 2: that's my favorite TV shows of all time, and he's

810
00:33:43,914 --> 00:33:46,194
Speaker 2: Crosby from Parenthood, one of my other favorite TV shows

811
00:33:46,194 --> 00:33:50,554
Speaker 2: all and so looking away from that lens, it's interesting

812
00:33:50,594 --> 00:33:52,314
Speaker 2: you say you love them because last time we talked

813
00:33:52,314 --> 00:33:53,834
Speaker 2: about this, I think it was when we had the Share.

814
00:33:54,074 --> 00:33:56,074
Speaker 2: We were talking about the Share thing on this podcast

815
00:33:56,474 --> 00:33:58,794
Speaker 2: and we put up a clip about me saying that

816
00:33:59,394 --> 00:34:01,634
Speaker 2: they were such a beloved couple and everyone was obsessed

817
00:34:01,674 --> 00:34:02,914
Speaker 2: with them, and so many of the comments were like,

818
00:34:02,954 --> 00:34:05,914
Speaker 2: I don't remember that. That never happened, and it's like, guys, yeah,

819
00:34:05,954 --> 00:34:08,314
Speaker 2: they were while they're they were the you.

820
00:34:08,274 --> 00:34:11,714
Speaker 1: Could anything about them. And many of the publications I

821
00:34:11,754 --> 00:34:14,114
Speaker 1: have worked out in Australia and people would lose their

822
00:34:14,154 --> 00:34:17,434
Speaker 1: minds about how much they loved them. It actually shifted

823
00:34:17,474 --> 00:34:20,034
Speaker 1: once the podcast started. Yeah, I think that was it

824
00:34:20,114 --> 00:34:22,554
Speaker 1: too again, too much access. Sometimes with too much access,

825
00:34:22,554 --> 00:34:23,274
Speaker 1: we don't know what to do.

826
00:34:23,434 --> 00:34:25,154
Speaker 2: Because there was a while there that's where they started

827
00:34:25,154 --> 00:34:27,674
Speaker 2: doing all those commercials together. Yeah, they were making so

828
00:34:27,794 --> 00:34:29,954
Speaker 2: much money because people just wanted to see them together.

829
00:34:30,074 --> 00:34:31,634
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was when she was kind of like

830
00:34:31,674 --> 00:34:33,354
Speaker 1: obviously she was already a big name, and then like

831
00:34:33,434 --> 00:34:35,194
Speaker 1: she was doing Frozen and she was doing kind of

832
00:34:35,194 --> 00:34:37,234
Speaker 1: like random rom coroms and like things here and there,

833
00:34:37,234 --> 00:34:38,674
Speaker 1: and like so you'd get a glimpse of them like

834
00:34:38,714 --> 00:34:41,034
Speaker 1: an oscars or something frozen, and like they'd be on

835
00:34:41,034 --> 00:34:42,873
Speaker 1: a red carp and everyone just loved them and loved

836
00:34:42,954 --> 00:34:45,434
Speaker 1: that they seemed like so fun and fun and funny.

837
00:34:45,794 --> 00:34:48,354
Speaker 1: Then it just shifted. I do think if if I

838
00:34:48,354 --> 00:34:49,954
Speaker 1: look at it, it does come down to when the

839
00:34:49,994 --> 00:34:52,634
Speaker 1: podcast got a bit more real about the things they

840
00:34:52,674 --> 00:34:54,914
Speaker 1: go through in their relationship. And some of those convos

841
00:34:54,914 --> 00:34:56,873
Speaker 1: were to do with like Ducks and his addiction and

842
00:34:56,914 --> 00:34:59,354
Speaker 1: things like that. Yeah, and kind of and yeah, like

843
00:34:59,394 --> 00:35:01,234
Speaker 1: there are things they say where you just like, WHOA,

844
00:35:01,274 --> 00:35:03,754
Speaker 1: that's a bit Yeah, that's intense, Like if one of

845
00:35:03,794 --> 00:35:06,114
Speaker 1: my friends talks to me about their husband the way

846
00:35:06,114 --> 00:35:07,873
Speaker 1: that Kristen does, or about their partner the way that

847
00:35:07,954 --> 00:35:10,194
Speaker 1: Kristen does, Like it's a red flag in my mind. Yeah,

848
00:35:10,194 --> 00:35:12,074
Speaker 1: if you're telling me your partner like can't do anything

849
00:35:12,074 --> 00:35:13,554
Speaker 1: to help you around the house and it's all on

850
00:35:13,594 --> 00:35:17,554
Speaker 1: you that they've discarded your emotions about something or anything

851
00:35:17,594 --> 00:35:19,433
Speaker 1: like that, I think that's a red flag to a

852
00:35:19,434 --> 00:35:21,234
Speaker 1: lot of people. But I don't then go they're not

853
00:35:21,314 --> 00:35:23,873
Speaker 1: right together or they're whatever, Like that's my opinion, it's

854
00:35:23,874 --> 00:35:25,034
Speaker 1: not my life. Yeah, And I.

855
00:35:24,994 --> 00:35:27,714
Speaker 2: Think also they presented what we just were seeing, like

856
00:35:27,754 --> 00:35:29,794
Speaker 2: the sloth video, which is when they kind of first

857
00:35:29,794 --> 00:35:31,913
Speaker 2: went viral when he surprised her with that sloth and

858
00:35:31,954 --> 00:35:34,473
Speaker 2: they show they showed the clip a year later, Yeah,

859
00:35:34,514 --> 00:35:36,993
Speaker 2: on the Ellen Show, and everyone was just like, oh

860
00:35:36,994 --> 00:35:38,234
Speaker 2: my god, I'm obsessed with these too.

861
00:35:38,274 --> 00:35:40,314
Speaker 1: I love them. That blow up into a huge moment.

862
00:35:40,834 --> 00:35:43,194
Speaker 2: And then I think as we learn more about their

863
00:35:43,194 --> 00:35:46,594
Speaker 2: relationship through the podcast, sometimes even episodes Kristin Bell wasn't

864
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Speaker 2: on because Ryan Hanson, who's her coaston in front of

865
00:35:48,754 --> 00:35:50,234
Speaker 2: Mars and they're best friends, which I love so much.

866
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Speaker 1: Anyway, I digress, Yes love them.

867
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Speaker 2: When he was on the podcast, they were talking about

868
00:35:54,114 --> 00:35:56,434
Speaker 2: because he lived with Kristin when she first started dating

869
00:35:56,554 --> 00:35:59,074
Speaker 2: Dak Shepherd, and they were talking about the fact that

870
00:35:59,194 --> 00:36:02,514
Speaker 2: Kristin and Dax would have screaming blowout flights when they

871
00:36:02,554 --> 00:36:05,274
Speaker 2: first started dating, and Ryan Hanson and his wife would

872
00:36:05,274 --> 00:36:07,393
Speaker 2: have to go and like hide in their bedroom, and

873
00:36:07,434 --> 00:36:10,393
Speaker 2: that they would scream and cry and fight and break up.

874
00:36:10,714 --> 00:36:12,433
Speaker 2: And Ryan would be like, yeah, he's the worst, we

875
00:36:12,474 --> 00:36:13,913
Speaker 2: hate him, And the next day Christen's like.

876
00:36:13,874 --> 00:36:16,674
Speaker 1: I'm back with Dax and so. But I think the public.

877
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Speaker 2: Didn't know anything about that sort of stuff, And I

878
00:36:19,154 --> 00:36:21,393
Speaker 2: guess the thing is too like, again, we don't know

879
00:36:21,514 --> 00:36:23,433
Speaker 2: what goes on behind closed doors. They might have a

880
00:36:23,434 --> 00:36:25,714
Speaker 2: wonderful relationship that might have a terrible relationship. We can

881
00:36:25,754 --> 00:36:27,714
Speaker 2: only go by what we have. But I think people

882
00:36:27,754 --> 00:36:31,314
Speaker 2: just recognize so many of their own relationship red flags

883
00:36:31,394 --> 00:36:31,834
Speaker 2: in them.

884
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my issue with it is you look at

885
00:36:34,594 --> 00:36:36,634
Speaker 1: it and I go, I get it, Like Kristen, maybe

886
00:36:36,634 --> 00:36:38,594
Speaker 1: you deserve better. Seems to be the tone of a

887
00:36:38,634 --> 00:36:40,154
Speaker 1: lot of this whole thing, and it comes back to

888
00:36:40,194 --> 00:36:42,314
Speaker 1: the headline, I love my husband who hates me a

889
00:36:42,314 --> 00:36:45,274
Speaker 1: lot of the people commenting on these kinds of things

890
00:36:45,274 --> 00:36:47,754
Speaker 1: that she says, or on women in general who go

891
00:36:47,754 --> 00:36:50,074
Speaker 1: to TikTok and go to that echo chamber looking for support.

892
00:36:50,274 --> 00:36:52,433
Speaker 1: We're like that guy seems like he doesn't like you

893
00:36:52,474 --> 00:36:55,513
Speaker 1: and hates you. You deserve it is the tone of it,

894
00:36:55,594 --> 00:36:57,953
Speaker 1: and then it obviously moves into snark. I know that,

895
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Speaker 1: and I know again it's quote unquote none of our business,

896
00:37:00,594 --> 00:37:02,473
Speaker 1: but they put it out there. I mean it's so

897
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Speaker 1: it kind of is everyone's business because you made it

898
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Speaker 1: everyone's business.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the question I wanted to ask you of,

900
00:37:06,874 --> 00:37:09,354
Speaker 2: like how fair do you think it is that Kristin

901
00:37:09,394 --> 00:37:11,114
Speaker 2: Bell and dak shehe but have been made like the

902
00:37:11,194 --> 00:37:15,513
Speaker 2: post to children for this relationship dysfunction conversation that's having

903
00:37:15,554 --> 00:37:18,074
Speaker 2: online because a lot of their famous friends so at

904
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Speaker 2: the time of recording, and I have been checking the

905
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Speaker 2: comments like a crazy person just to see at the

906
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Speaker 2: time of recording, Dax or Kristen that I can see

907
00:37:25,154 --> 00:37:28,594
Speaker 2: haven't commented on any of the cut stuff, which is

908
00:37:28,634 --> 00:37:30,834
Speaker 2: their face and like my husband hates me, but some

909
00:37:30,914 --> 00:37:33,594
Speaker 2: of their closest friends have and one of them is

910
00:37:33,634 --> 00:37:37,154
Speaker 2: Monica Padman, who course hosts che Expert like co created

911
00:37:37,154 --> 00:37:39,993
Speaker 2: it with Dak Shepherd, and she's a unique situation where

912
00:37:40,114 --> 00:37:42,674
Speaker 2: Dax is her business partner and co host, and she

913
00:37:42,874 --> 00:37:45,154
Speaker 2: also works with Kristin and they are all best friends.

914
00:37:45,434 --> 00:37:46,433
Speaker 1: So she's in the weeds of it.

915
00:37:46,514 --> 00:37:49,234
Speaker 2: So she commented when I saw this, I was like, oh,

916
00:37:49,314 --> 00:37:52,194
Speaker 2: this is blowing up. She commented on the cut article

917
00:37:52,314 --> 00:37:54,674
Speaker 2: underneath the picture of Dax and Kristin with the whole

918
00:37:54,754 --> 00:37:58,033
Speaker 2: my wife, I hate my wife situation, and she said,

919
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Speaker 2: stop doing this. It's extremely anti feminist to say Kristin,

920
00:38:01,994 --> 00:38:04,754
Speaker 2: an uber successful woman, is stuck in a relationship where

921
00:38:04,874 --> 00:38:08,354
Speaker 2: she is forced to defend her husband. She has no agency,

922
00:38:08,434 --> 00:38:11,154
Speaker 2: confidence or opinions of her own, all of which are

923
00:38:11,194 --> 00:38:13,873
Speaker 2: completely untrue and a dangerous idea to spread about women.

924
00:38:14,234 --> 00:38:16,834
Speaker 2: I've never been around a couple that's more partnered, equal

925
00:38:16,874 --> 00:38:19,954
Speaker 2: and communative with one another. This contrived talking point you

926
00:38:19,994 --> 00:38:22,234
Speaker 2: were slinging is exactly what's wrong with the Internet.

927
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Speaker 1: Do better.

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Speaker 2: This is my favorite bit. Also, we did not give

929
00:38:25,474 --> 00:38:27,714
Speaker 2: you permission to use our images. Take them down because

930
00:38:27,714 --> 00:38:30,154
Speaker 2: the images are from the podcast. And then underneath that,

931
00:38:30,434 --> 00:38:33,154
Speaker 2: Justine Lupe, who is Kristen Bell's co star and nobody

932
00:38:33,194 --> 00:38:35,154
Speaker 2: wants his and has become one of her best friends

933
00:38:35,434 --> 00:38:39,234
Speaker 2: since working on this show. Underneath that comment, Justine Loop wrote,

934
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Speaker 2: it's sad to see a publication I genuinely admire indulging

935
00:38:42,514 --> 00:38:45,314
Speaker 2: in such tabloid s clipbait. She obviously was sitting on

936
00:38:45,354 --> 00:38:47,393
Speaker 2: this feeling for a while. She said, I felt the

937
00:38:47,394 --> 00:38:51,114
Speaker 2: same about the thinly veiled article written by Ashley Tisdale

938
00:38:51,114 --> 00:38:54,234
Speaker 2: that publicly shamed and humiliated a group of mums while

939
00:38:54,234 --> 00:38:57,634
Speaker 2: offering no real substance or insight on the real loneliness

940
00:38:57,634 --> 00:38:59,994
Speaker 2: that can come from being a new mum. Actually, tisdell

941
00:39:00,074 --> 00:39:02,234
Speaker 2: Catching story is not even involved in this getting called out.

942
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Speaker 2: I understand that getting attention is a challenge for a

943
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Speaker 2: publication like yours, but I'm far more interested in the

944
00:39:08,154 --> 00:39:11,794
Speaker 2: work you do that elevates and celebrates women. So with

945
00:39:11,874 --> 00:39:13,634
Speaker 2: those two things in mind, what do we think was

946
00:39:13,674 --> 00:39:14,114
Speaker 2: this fair?

947
00:39:14,754 --> 00:39:16,794
Speaker 1: It's on the internet, it's fair. They have every right

948
00:39:16,834 --> 00:39:19,714
Speaker 1: to jump in and defend their friend. I'm interested in

949
00:39:19,754 --> 00:39:22,354
Speaker 1: the tax they've both taken, because if you do, I agree.

950
00:39:22,394 --> 00:39:24,794
Speaker 1: This Instagram post is very much about Dax and Kristen,

951
00:39:24,874 --> 00:39:27,234
Speaker 1: and it makes it seem like that's all they're talking about,

952
00:39:27,274 --> 00:39:28,873
Speaker 1: and like you said, there's lines in this article that

953
00:39:28,914 --> 00:39:32,034
Speaker 1: paint a picture that's not necessarily a full picture. Yeah,

954
00:39:32,074 --> 00:39:34,993
Speaker 1: some of the conversations. But to say that this whole

955
00:39:35,034 --> 00:39:37,554
Speaker 1: thing is just about like being anti feminists and claiming

956
00:39:37,634 --> 00:39:39,874
Speaker 1: she's stuck in a situation, I'm it is going into

957
00:39:39,954 --> 00:39:44,513
Speaker 1: a worrying trend we're seeing online of women in these situations,

958
00:39:44,554 --> 00:39:46,714
Speaker 1: And yeah, maybe it shouldn't use them as the post

959
00:39:46,714 --> 00:39:51,114
Speaker 1: a child for that potential situation, but I think it's

960
00:39:51,114 --> 00:39:53,034
Speaker 1: fair that they step in to defend their friend. But

961
00:39:53,114 --> 00:39:56,194
Speaker 1: like I also, I do get what the cut was doing. Yeah, yeah,

962
00:39:56,354 --> 00:39:56,674
Speaker 1: the heart.

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00:39:56,794 --> 00:39:58,634
Speaker 2: Yeah, as much as I don't love people kind of

964
00:39:58,674 --> 00:40:02,354
Speaker 2: slinging dirt that are making things up and making accusations

965
00:40:02,394 --> 00:40:06,794
Speaker 2: of like domestic violence, yeah, or control, all that sort

966
00:40:06,794 --> 00:40:08,754
Speaker 2: of stuff, feels like valid because we should always be

967
00:40:08,754 --> 00:40:10,433
Speaker 2: asking those questions to be on the lookout for that.

968
00:40:10,474 --> 00:40:13,914
Speaker 2: But making those accusations about them is super super serious.

969
00:40:14,474 --> 00:40:17,473
Speaker 2: The other side of me thinks that it's unfortunate they've

970
00:40:17,514 --> 00:40:19,114
Speaker 2: become the post of children for this, but at the

971
00:40:19,194 --> 00:40:22,874
Speaker 2: same time, they have monetized their relationship and that always

972
00:40:22,954 --> 00:40:24,674
Speaker 2: kind of puts us over into the next area in

973
00:40:24,754 --> 00:40:27,194
Speaker 2: terms of like their relationship is such a big part

974
00:40:27,194 --> 00:40:31,234
Speaker 2: of his podcasting empire, and they monetize their relationship by

975
00:40:31,714 --> 00:40:33,794
Speaker 2: all the commercials that they're in and the brands they have.

976
00:40:33,874 --> 00:40:36,594
Speaker 2: They have their own brand that they front personally together,

977
00:40:36,754 --> 00:40:41,314
Speaker 2: so it's like they've monetized their relationship. But I also

978
00:40:41,434 --> 00:40:43,834
Speaker 2: maybe it's a super naive me, but I also think

979
00:40:43,874 --> 00:40:47,194
Speaker 2: sometimes they put this stuff out there because they don't

980
00:40:47,234 --> 00:40:50,234
Speaker 2: want this fake story about they're a perfect couple and

981
00:40:50,314 --> 00:40:53,114
Speaker 2: marriage is perfect, because they always say, we're just telling

982
00:40:53,154 --> 00:40:55,794
Speaker 2: you this because marriage is really hard. Relationships are hard,

983
00:40:56,234 --> 00:40:58,714
Speaker 2: and you should never look at a Hollywood couple and

984
00:40:58,794 --> 00:41:01,194
Speaker 2: think it's all sunshine and rainbows and just so you

985
00:41:01,194 --> 00:41:03,314
Speaker 2: guys know, we love each other and we love our children,

986
00:41:03,674 --> 00:41:05,834
Speaker 2: but we have to put the work in every single

987
00:41:05,914 --> 00:41:06,714
Speaker 2: day and sometimes.

988
00:41:06,474 --> 00:41:09,394
Speaker 1: It's a messy. And I've always really appreciated.

989
00:41:08,754 --> 00:41:11,154
Speaker 2: Them saying that, and I hate the fact that they

990
00:41:11,194 --> 00:41:14,513
Speaker 2: maybe won't have these open, honest conversations that I love

991
00:41:14,634 --> 00:41:17,074
Speaker 2: listening to because of an article like this.

992
00:41:17,114 --> 00:41:18,834
Speaker 1: I think they're going to pull back for sure, And

993
00:41:18,874 --> 00:41:21,114
Speaker 1: like I again, I hate that friends have every right

994
00:41:21,154 --> 00:41:23,513
Speaker 1: to defend them, and I think they're probably like realistically

995
00:41:23,554 --> 00:41:26,234
Speaker 1: one of the more functional couples in Hollywood. Well you like,

996
00:41:26,554 --> 00:41:28,074
Speaker 1: I know that. I'm saying, like, I look at this

997
00:41:28,114 --> 00:41:29,873
Speaker 1: and I worry, but it's not necessarily about them. It's

998
00:41:29,914 --> 00:41:32,274
Speaker 1: more this thing where people everyone's looking back. Now, it's

999
00:41:32,274 --> 00:41:33,874
Speaker 1: say like shows like King of the Hill and everybody

1000
00:41:33,914 --> 00:41:35,913
Speaker 1: loves Raymond and the way those men behaved and how

1001
00:41:35,914 --> 00:41:38,873
Speaker 1: it's been such a normalized thing, like the nagging wife

1002
00:41:38,914 --> 00:41:40,754
Speaker 1: who just wants him to do stuff, and like the

1003
00:41:40,794 --> 00:41:42,834
Speaker 1: guy that just doesn't care and is a big grown

1004
00:41:42,914 --> 00:41:45,394
Speaker 1: up child. And because of the things they put forward,

1005
00:41:45,674 --> 00:41:48,433
Speaker 1: people see them as this like Hollywood example of that

1006
00:41:48,474 --> 00:41:50,194
Speaker 1: being alive and well in the world and how women

1007
00:41:50,234 --> 00:41:52,474
Speaker 1: shouldn't put up with it anymore. But I think they're

1008
00:41:52,514 --> 00:41:55,674
Speaker 1: trying to add more nuance to it and be like, no,

1009
00:41:55,714 --> 00:41:57,714
Speaker 1: people face these issues, here's how we deal with it,

1010
00:41:57,754 --> 00:41:59,634
Speaker 1: and just no one really wants to dive into it.

1011
00:41:59,914 --> 00:42:02,754
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. So yeah, so it's a complicated issue. But

1012
00:42:02,994 --> 00:42:05,393
Speaker 2: I feel like Jackson and Kristen will reply in some way.

1013
00:42:05,474 --> 00:42:07,913
Speaker 2: I probably won't be ant well, I would love them

1014
00:42:07,994 --> 00:42:10,953
Speaker 2: to a whole podcast about it. So yeah, huge, huge

1015
00:42:10,994 --> 00:42:13,194
Speaker 2: day online for everyone involved. But we'll link the cut

1016
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Speaker 2: article in our show notes if it's worth reading the

1017
00:42:15,434 --> 00:42:17,994
Speaker 2: whole thing, and we're keeping an eye on those comments.

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