Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mom and Mayor
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Speaker 1: podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes and assigns charges
Speaker 1: and sentences to them so that we can all move
Speaker 1: on with our lives. I am Jesse Stevens and I'm
Speaker 1: joined by Claire Stephens, and today we're talking about a
Speaker 1: little known American sitcom which aired on NBC from nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four to two thousand and four, lasting ten seasons.
Speaker 1: It is named Friends, Yes, heard of it. I was
Speaker 1: a little extram again that I done pretty good deal?
Speaker 2: How much thousand bucks?
Speaker 1: Honor chat?
Speaker 2: We're not, Oh, well, what I do is I look
Speaker 2: a woman up and down and they say, hey, how.
Speaker 1: You do it? Did you know that wasn't its original? Mate?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love these facts. Okay, well, no,
Speaker 1: three seconds. You get to decide, you get to have
Speaker 1: a little little okay, okayttle guesses would be blag to
Speaker 1: Shoey and Rachel like like maybe like the names of
Speaker 1: like characters. Okay, no, just to have another guess because
Speaker 1: that was such shit. It was the one word two
Speaker 1: words the friends. Okay, nice nice, No, it was Insomnia Cafe.
Speaker 1: That's the single worst name for a show I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: It's misleading. It is it is. That's not even what
Speaker 1: the cafe was called. No, it's called Central per Yeah.
Speaker 1: It makes it sound like a thriller when no one
Speaker 1: can sleep. Would watch I would watch Insomnia Cafe. It's
Speaker 1: just not what Friends was. David Crane and Marta Kaufman
Speaker 1: began developing and So Cafe in nineteen ninety three and
Speaker 1: pitched it to NBC. If I'm NBC, I'm going what's
Speaker 1: the genre? Oh? Is a sitcom? No? No, no, I
Speaker 1: want a thriller or nothing? Yeah, And it went through
Speaker 1: a few name changes. Firstly six of one six kind
Speaker 1: of like Party of five. I don't mind that, and
Speaker 1: then Friends like Us would have worked. Eventually it became
Speaker 1: friends Friends like Us. We have a lot of arguments
Speaker 1: at work, this place that we work at, where our
Speaker 1: boss she wants to put it the in front of everything,
Speaker 1: which is very the Facebook. Yeah, so we canceled. It'd
Speaker 1: be like, I think we should called it the canceled.
Speaker 1: It's like hundred crap years old, So what We're gonna
Speaker 1: do is We're gonna drop the other? Yeah. The premise
Speaker 1: is that six friends, Ross Rachel, Wonika, Joey Chandler, and Phoebe,
Speaker 1: all twenty somethings, live in New York City. Over the
Speaker 1: course of ten years, they go through many life lessons,
Speaker 1: love stories, drama, friendship, and of course comedy. That sounds
Speaker 1: like a terrible premis like where is the dead body?
Speaker 1: Where is the local suburban drug dealer? Allah, breaking bad?
Speaker 1: It's weird that, like, what are the stakes? Tell me
Speaker 1: about that? Coms? You couldn't really have a sitcom now? Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess it's like the Office. You couldn't have a
Speaker 1: sitcom because everything we watch needs a dead body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'd need like Rachel to be a dead woman and
Speaker 1: Jowey to be a detective order for it to work,
Speaker 1: because I don't know what the conflict, think about it
Speaker 1: and maybe just thinking about the perfect couple A gory
Speaker 1: grapdowns at the beginning, We life, real life, Who's gonna be?
Speaker 1: Well last night, I've been into that and in fact
Speaker 1: I kind of did one on that couch. Ah. But
Speaker 1: despite my feedback, the final episode of Friends became one
Speaker 1: of the most watched finales in television history. Fifty two
Speaker 1: point five million Americans watched it. Did you hear the
Speaker 1: part where I said one of the most oh finalese,
Speaker 1: one of the most watched. I then became a sessed
Speaker 1: we've raising out of beat. We've got to be thinking
Speaker 1: pre streaming. Oh yeah, I thought, great. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: Friends is the fifth most watched finale. I'm gonna need
Speaker 1: you to throw out someone's city incorrect again. I don't
Speaker 1: think watching that live. So I feld, yes, that was
Speaker 1: number four, number three, The Fugitive You've never heard, I've
Speaker 1: never heard of it, Number two the Sopranos, She is okay, Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then number one, No. Number one, most watched finale
Speaker 1: of all time. Nearly one hundred and six million Americans
Speaker 1: watched it. No, you've watched an episode of this, it's
Speaker 1: one that you've watched. Mash oh Nan loved Masha six PM. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it always made me think Mash usually she'd have
Speaker 1: some she would she would, and so I was like, Mash, Mash,
Speaker 1: this show is terrible. I googled the population of America
Speaker 1: at the time this actually broadcast, because it was nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty three, the population of America was two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty three million. I repeat, one hundred and six million
Speaker 1: Americans watched it. Okay, half of America, so half of
Speaker 1: America's were not busy and said, I will be watching
Speaker 1: some mash. What a beautiful cultural moment. I've watched a
Speaker 1: lot of Mash can't again. Not following Vietnam War, Apparently
Speaker 1: the series went for a lot longer than the war.
Speaker 1: In the final two seasons of Friends were not canceling.
Speaker 1: Mash Nan would roll over in her go no Mash
Speaker 1: can stand. She'd say, I think mash was meant to
Speaker 1: be funny. I don't know anyway. The cast were paid
Speaker 1: one million dollars each per episode. And how many episodes
Speaker 1: were their final season do you reckon? I think they
Speaker 1: were eight. I think there was normally sixteen and they
Speaker 1: cut it ah down. It's credited as being the first
Speaker 1: real ensemble show. They all fought for them not to
Speaker 1: be a main character and wanted it, and didn't they
Speaker 1: negotiate together? And they did. They did unionized. They went
Speaker 1: full Hamilton and they said, we'll be paid together. But
Speaker 1: Claire Friends aired in the nineties, and if there's one
Speaker 1: thing we know about the nineties. Problematic is that they
Speaker 1: were funked. My structure for today is as follows, Fat Monica, Ah,
Speaker 1: I remember Chandler broadly, weird sex stuff, a deleted episode,
Speaker 1: a note on the general takedown of friends, and finally
Speaker 1: the laugh track. Yeah, okay, on the laugh track. I
Speaker 1: have a bone to pick with the editors of this podcast.
Speaker 1: What I think we could have a laugh. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: we need a laugh I think we need a laugh track.
Speaker 1: Whenever things get awkwards, there's a pause. Okay, we need
Speaker 1: the lovely person who does the audio editing of this Leah.
Speaker 1: I want her to insert a laugh track when she
Speaker 1: feels that it's needed. And maybe we weren't even making
Speaker 1: a joke so true, Maybe she just anything funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: laugh track? Yeah, I got out of bed. I really
Speaker 1: want her to do that. It would make the podcast airable.
Speaker 1: Fat dude, don't do that to me. And it's cool.
Speaker 1: You can stay here. My parents won't mind. No, it's
Speaker 1: not that I just want to be stuck here all
Speaker 1: night with your fat sister. Eh. Claire Monica, played by
Speaker 1: Courtney Cox, gets a lot of flashback scenes. In particular,
Speaker 1: there's an episode titled the One That could have been.
Speaker 1: And it's a two parter when Monica never lost weight.
Speaker 1: In case he didn't notice this while watching Fat Monica,
Speaker 1: who appears in flashbacks, he is just Courtney Cox in
Speaker 1: fat suit. It went full shallow. How the nineties the
Speaker 1: early two thousands, they thought nothing was funnier and or
Speaker 1: more creative than a thin person. Yeah CODs playing, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: as somebody bigger than they were. There was definitely someone
Speaker 1: who went around to writers' rooms and whenever it comes
Speaker 1: there there was a lull. Have you thought of a
Speaker 1: fat suit? My work here is done, walked out. I
Speaker 1: want to show you a picture of her, and I
Speaker 1: want you to tell me if you notice anything looking back.
Speaker 1: All right, this is a picture of fat Monica. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: Oh she's not fat. Yeah, that's what I said. She's
Speaker 1: not fat. That was my note. She's just I've written
Speaker 1: this in my notes. She's simply a woman with breast.
Speaker 1: She is. She's a woman with breasts and hips. And
Speaker 1: they've crimped her hair as if to say, if you're
Speaker 1: not stick thin, your hair is bad, your hair is weird.
Speaker 1: And she's always holding food. Oh my god, my memory
Speaker 1: had been totally arrased. Yeah, this is why we were
Speaker 1: also fucked up in the ninety I know. Okay, So
Speaker 1: there's an alternate opening sequence with Fat Monica, and I
Speaker 1: have it right here for you, and I want to
Speaker 1: just show you by alternate, do you mean on the
Speaker 1: episodes that she was in, it had this as the
Speaker 1: friend's intro, just press play. Okay, So what happens is
Speaker 1: Fat Monica jumps on the couch and the couch tips
Speaker 1: over because she's fair. Classic. Yeah, that's what happens. Classic.
Speaker 1: That is just right. The work that must have taken.
Speaker 1: I come up with that joke getting your fat suit
Speaker 1: just so many hours and then analyzing why it's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not really very funny. In that episode, one
Speaker 1: of the complications is that Fat Monica is becoming increasingly
Speaker 1: concerned that someone sat on her chocolate bar. I believe
Speaker 1: it was a kit cat, which, by the way, genuinely distressing.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter your size. It doesn't matter your size.
Speaker 1: If somebody sat on my kit cat, that would be
Speaker 1: enough of complication in my story. In my day, if
Speaker 1: someone sat on my chocolate bar, I would be wondering
Speaker 1: if their body heat made it melt. If it became
Speaker 1: that chocolate where it's like it's not even chocolate anymore.
Speaker 1: It's just like stuck to the sides, and it's no
Speaker 1: longer the texture that I need it to be. The
Speaker 1: other day, my husband and I we went to Subway,
Speaker 1: and naturally we got several cookies. Obviously, some of the
Speaker 1: cookies were mine, some of the cookies were his. I
Speaker 1: was wrangling our baby, and while I was doing that,
Speaker 1: I witnessed him start to eat one of my cookies,
Speaker 1: and I was it by mistake, No, okay, he was
Speaker 1: being sneaky. I snapped where cookies go. And there's nothing
Speaker 1: more more shameful shameful about snapping about somebody eating your treat. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was so upset. I don't ruin that for me.
Speaker 1: Get almost I've been sitting on the couch and he's
Speaker 1: said he's almost gone over to get like some of
Speaker 1: my brownie or whatever, and it's like, have a really
Speaker 1: violent instinct to like flip his hand away, and then
Speaker 1: I I'm really sorry. I don't know what came over me.
Speaker 1: Was like, don't touch it, don't take my foot anyway.
Speaker 1: Fat Monica is characterized as a previous version of Monica,
Speaker 1: who exclusively ate sloppily wiping chocolate from her face or
Speaker 1: licking powdered sugar from her fingers. Again, these are two
Speaker 1: things that are critical if you don't want to waste
Speaker 1: chocolate or cinnamon, for example, no judgment. So in the
Speaker 1: alternate plot line where Monica didn't lose weight, she also
Speaker 1: remains a virgin, probably because it's caughtney cocks and a
Speaker 1: fat suit and suitors couldn't find her vagina hole. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people probably want to have sex with her. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they were like, where's is it? Yeah, where's the z
Speaker 1: it mate? And she's like, I don't know, but I'm
Speaker 1: wearing an entire suit simply to give the impression that
Speaker 1: I have breasts. Kelsey Miller, writing an op ed for Vox, said,
Speaker 1: fat Monica isn't even a person. She's not Monica Fat.
Speaker 1: She's a cartoon character with a weird, screamy voice and
Speaker 1: a totally different personality. Yes, if you can call an
Speaker 1: affinity for mayonnaise and KitKat a personality, I hope you
Speaker 1: can see that's mine. Yeah. Her entire life is eating
Speaker 1: and pining and occasionally dancing to disco music with doughnuts
Speaker 1: in her hands. For no reason she's a clown. There's
Speaker 1: a scene where she can't get up off the bean bag,
Speaker 1: allegedly due to her weight, and respectfully, show me a
Speaker 1: person who can get up off a bean bag. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's really tricky. There's also a memorable line from Joey
Speaker 1: when they're watching a video of Monica in her prom
Speaker 1: dress eating a sandwich, and he yells, I'm girling, Monica.
Speaker 2: Shut up. The camera adds ten pounds.
Speaker 1: Huh so, how many cameras are actually on you? Have
Speaker 1: you ever heard of anything more nineties? No? I wonder
Speaker 1: if anybody at the time noticed or if it was
Speaker 1: so insidious our fat phobia that everybody just took it,
Speaker 1: or they saw it and they went they had like
Speaker 1: a moment of inspiration where they went, you know what
Speaker 1: we should make is a film named Shallow How. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jack Black should be in it, and I'm thinking, on
Speaker 1: a fat suit, I'm feeling it. But then the whole
Speaker 1: premise of Shallow How is of course that he sees
Speaker 1: her as thin, but joke's on him. She's fat. And
Speaker 1: can you love someone when they're fat? A man? Yes?
Speaker 1: Because black black? Yeah? Yeah. Chandler a reappraisal of Friends
Speaker 1: thirty years on has a lot of people saying fuck Chandler. Okay,
Speaker 1: but Matthew Perry rip, I should stayed on the record.
Speaker 1: Matthew Perry and Chandler are not the same person. No, no.
Speaker 1: Matthew Perry famously said he didn't recall shooting like three seasons. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There was an article published in Slay titled Chandler bing
Speaker 1: is the worst thing about Watching Friends in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: The writer Ruth Graham argues that he is endlessly paranoid
Speaker 1: about being perceived as gay. I went back and watched
Speaker 1: a whole lot of scenes, and I was like, very
Speaker 1: astute observation. This man is homophobic in the sense of
Speaker 1: like a pathology really like not in the sense of
Speaker 1: talking about something broadly being homophobic, but he is so
Speaker 1: anxious about being seen as gay. Like what I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Like there's a scene where Joey has a handbag. He
Speaker 1: walks in with a handbag. Chandler just has like this
Speaker 1: visceral reaction of like you're gay, and like he just
Speaker 1: really doesn't like it. And then he's like metal like
Speaker 1: it I'm after my audition. How do I ever, Ah,
Speaker 1: I think you'll a great Joey.
Speaker 2: That bag is to get you that part.
Speaker 1: And a date with a man. He's worried that people
Speaker 1: are going to see him as gay as well if
Speaker 1: he does anything moderately feminine. Okay, he's not the most
Speaker 1: masculine guy in the world, but he's got a real
Speaker 1: hang up on his sexuality. He is identified in the
Speaker 1: first season as having a quality of gayness about him,
Speaker 1: whatever that means, and then he spends ten seasons suppressing
Speaker 1: anything mildly feminine about him. I've heard him described as
Speaker 1: simply embodying gay panic Yes, and that could not be
Speaker 1: more accurate. Yes, he is terrified of gayness, which I
Speaker 1: think is also a lot of characters again in the nineties.
Speaker 1: It is also interesting that this was a show set
Speaker 1: in New York in the nineties with very little queer representation.
Speaker 1: I can think of one example, which we may get too.
Speaker 1: There was a very big population of gay I know,
Speaker 1: but it was pre same sex marriage. Like it was
Speaker 1: a totally different world. And in fact, I don't think
Speaker 1: I get into this here, but they had a gay wedding.
Speaker 1: So two women marry right, oh yeah, and just did
Speaker 1: a lot of Yes, went a long way towards degrading that. Yes,
Speaker 1: but two states in the US wouldn't broadcast it, like
Speaker 1: they wouldn't put it on television, and they couldn't have
Speaker 1: them kiss because they were worried they would get so
Speaker 1: many complaints. Like that is what the nineties were anyway.
Speaker 1: Other things about Channeler who chooses a roommate because their
Speaker 1: sister is a porn star. He dates this Janis character
Speaker 1: who he openly hates. Oh god, I don't think Channela
Speaker 1: likes men or women. No, I remember Janis. Can you
Speaker 1: believe this happened? No?
Speaker 2: No, goodbye, Janis kiss me.
Speaker 1: I think that was a little bit of a funny storyline,
Speaker 1: because sometimes people who can't say not with the Janis
Speaker 1: for the rest you end up surrounded by peo that
Speaker 1: they can't stand. I think he told Jana said he
Speaker 1: he was moving to Yemen or something, and Janis was convinced.
Speaker 1: And I was like, why would Jannis be convinced? And
Speaker 1: I was like, because Janie is weird. But it's a
Speaker 1: treatment of his father that has copped the most criticism
Speaker 1: in a post friend's world. I saw this on TikTok recently.
Speaker 1: Let's discuss the whole Chandler's dad is a drag queen thing.
Speaker 1: So Chandler's dad is named Charles Bing and Charles has
Speaker 1: a drag queen persona named Helena. But Charles is played
Speaker 1: by Kathleen Turner, who is a woman. So a woman
Speaker 1: plays a man pretending to be a woman. Do you see.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of mental gymnastics. In the episode, the
Speaker 1: one with Chandler and Monica's wedding, Part one, Chandler's mum
Speaker 1: asks Charles, don't you have a little too much penis
Speaker 1: to be wearing a dress like that? If you're wondering
Speaker 1: how sensitively friends handled this story? Okay, Okay, The thing
Speaker 1: is what's weird is that I repeat, the role was
Speaker 1: played by Kathleen and not that this should matter, but
Speaker 1: she literally didn't have a penis. That is very very good.
Speaker 1: It just makes the line very confusing, And there's a
Speaker 1: lot of criticism online being like, misgendered pronouns are wrong,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's like whind back, wind back, Like yes,
Speaker 1: but if you wind back, there's actually gene logic floor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chandler is just ashamed of his dad, who everyone frequently misgenders. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't know because it's Kathleen Turner, who's meant to
Speaker 1: be a met I don't know, And are you a
Speaker 1: drag queen? I think because adding different to identifying as Trian.
Speaker 1: The problem is the writers are confused. Yeah, the riders
Speaker 1: got a little bit muddied, and then the show got
Speaker 1: made and they were like, hmm, Charles is just the
Speaker 1: butt of a very elaborate joke. He performs a drag
Speaker 1: show in Vegas called Viva la Gagas. If you're wondering
Speaker 1: how three dimensional and fully formed this character is, I
Speaker 1: will repeat Viva la Gegas. It's like Viva la Vegas. Yes,
Speaker 1: but they've replaced with Turner. The actor has said her
Speaker 1: character didn't age well and she wouldn't do it today.
Speaker 1: Oh good good. On the other hand, Miller, who wrote
Speaker 1: the book about Friends and the op ed I talked
Speaker 1: about earlier, she said that Charles was pretty much the
Speaker 1: only trans character who was not a murder victim on
Speaker 1: Law and Order, and it's been argued to even try
Speaker 1: to include an LGBT character was pretty transgressive in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands. Even if they performed a show called Claire,
Speaker 1: what's it called Viva Vegas? No Beava la Gega, Viva
Speaker 1: la gega with sex stuff. You know how you look
Speaker 1: back on these shows and they're weirdly sexual despite being
Speaker 1: positioned as very like PG. Yeah, And the thing is,
Speaker 1: we were kids, slush teenagers when it was airing, and
Speaker 1: I remember, like everyone loved Friends, So I remember kind
Speaker 1: of locking myself in NaN's granny flat, oh wow for
Speaker 1: pretty much a whole school holidays and watching every episode
Speaker 1: of Friends and just feeling so cool. But the accident
Speaker 1: to which all of it went over my head. You
Speaker 1: look back at the Simpsons like you were naughtier than
Speaker 1: I thought, and this was it was a bit naughty.
Speaker 1: There's one episode where Ross comes on to his cousin.
Speaker 1: His cousin, Cassie, is played by Denise Richard. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, his cousin's really hot, and she comes to
Speaker 1: stay with him and Monica during a visit to New York,
Speaker 1: and Chandler keeps staring at her and making her feel
Speaker 1: uncomfortable because channel's creepy. So Ross is like, it's okay,
Speaker 1: I'm safe, and they end up sitting on the couch
Speaker 1: watching a movie, at which point he leans over and
Speaker 1: tries to kiss her. Then he can't think of anything
Speaker 1: to say, so eventually exclaims, I haven't had sex in
Speaker 1: a very long time. Oh, I know that book true,
Speaker 1: get it? I want it, she wants it. I'm going in,
Speaker 1: What the hell are you doing? Say something clever?
Speaker 2: I haven't had sex in a very long time.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine your cousin making a move? The level
Speaker 1: of confusion, there was all this stuff in all the analysis.
Speaker 1: It was like, well, it was legal in some states,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's definitely not fine. It's not fun.
Speaker 1: There's fine, and it's not. It is not fine. This
Speaker 1: is my theory that when you have to make two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six episodes of a show, things get weird.
Speaker 1: You start doing some weird things, and there's only six
Speaker 1: of them. So I was like, I don't know. He
Speaker 1: bucks his cousin. I don't know. There's also a storyline
Speaker 1: where Monica and Ross, who just remind you are siblings,
Speaker 1: realize they hooked up. Okay, okay. This was also a
Speaker 1: big theme in the nineties. Remember our seventh Heaven episode
Speaker 1: and we talked about I think it's one of the
Speaker 1: first scenes where it's Mary and Matt are practicing kissing
Speaker 1: on each other, and the Reverend comes out and he's like, guys,
Speaker 1: and they're like really embarrassed. Okay, close and oh this
Speaker 1: is what that looks like. But it seems like the
Speaker 1: Reverend has more of an issue with it being kissing
Speaker 1: rather than the fact that these are fucking siblings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I do think you're right. I was the
Speaker 1: theme in the ninety yes that it's like, okay, was
Speaker 1: it trying to normalize No? No, No, I think it
Speaker 1: was this only hot people can be on television slash hot,
Speaker 1: charismatic people like Jessica Bill for example. But then it's
Speaker 1: like whoa, whoa wa whoa, But what if Jessica Bil
Speaker 1: was your sister, wouldn't you still want kiss her? And
Speaker 1: so that's where it got confused. So that's what happened,
Speaker 1: I think, because Monica's yeah, they hook up. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: it's like, guys, they're straight, they look similar, they live
Speaker 1: in the same city. They booked up. No, and apparently
Speaker 1: they were drunk and Ross thought it was Rachel and
Speaker 1: they both freak out, but they hooked up. Speaking of weird,
Speaker 1: remember when Brad Pitt was a guest stuff. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: the question is this was he married to Jennifer. Yes,
Speaker 1: he was, I thought so. He was in the episode
Speaker 1: called the One with the Rumor, and he plays Will,
Speaker 1: who's an old high school friend who founded that I
Speaker 1: Hate Rachel club with Ross Right. The punchline to that
Speaker 1: whole episode is that Will started a rumor that Rachel
Speaker 1: was intersex and her parents had to flip a coin
Speaker 1: to decide if she was a boy or a girl.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how specific. Yeah and odd. The Intersex
Speaker 1: Society of North America was very offended, and years later
Speaker 1: the co creator Marta Kaufman said she regrets the joke
Speaker 1: and wouldn't do it again today. Yeah, she said that
Speaker 1: a few times. I think maybe if you went through
Speaker 1: every line of dialogue with a fine toothcomb, she'd be
Speaker 1: saying that every day for the rest of her life.
Speaker 1: What's interesting, and this is just plays into my theory
Speaker 1: that Brad Pitt teflon if that was anyone else going back,
Speaker 1: going why did you say yes yeah to that character?
Speaker 1: But it was a different time. But also Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: apparently can do not right and he's like, but just
Speaker 1: look at my face, and everyone's like, true, I was distracted,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't really remember what he did. I just
Speaker 1: remember everyone clapping when he was on because she was
Speaker 1: so beautiful. Glow you glow. It's being really discriminatory broadly.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of womanizing. The men are always like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, look at that one. And there's one storyline
Speaker 1: that I think actually just sums up the whole show.
Speaker 1: If you want to know the vibe of friends without
Speaker 1: having seen without having seen it, here's a plot point
Speaker 1: that just touches on every theme. Joey and Chandler take
Speaker 1: Ross's baby on the bus. Okay, because Ross has one
Speaker 1: baby and then he later has another baby with Rachel.
Speaker 1: Ross has a conniption because his baby Ben plays with barbies.
Speaker 1: And there's another episode where his daughter Emma is getting
Speaker 1: a nanny and it's a man and he has what
Speaker 1: can only be described as aneurism, right, so this is
Speaker 1: all he's like, what kind of man wants to look
Speaker 1: after a chart? Exactly like? And this is why Anyway,
Speaker 1: this episode, Joey and Chandler have Ross's baby on the bus,
Speaker 1: but there are three pretty ladies on the bus, so
Speaker 1: they get distracted and leave the baby on the bus. Ah. Men,
Speaker 1: But here's a punchline, you know, how it's got to
Speaker 1: do like the yeah, this is important. It's all for
Speaker 1: nothing because the pretty ladies think that they're gay because
Speaker 1: they're two men with a baby. And what's Chandeler's sphere
Speaker 1: being perceived? Okay, oh wow, that's it. Classic, classic, classic.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you can imagine them in the writer's
Speaker 1: room being like, okay, okay, Chandeler storyline, but how do
Speaker 1: we It's like maybe they've got each character and like
Speaker 1: their fatal flaw and their biggest fear, and for him
Speaker 1: it is being ever perceived as gay? Yea, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: greatest fear deleted. And then Monica's greatest fear is going
Speaker 1: back to fat Monica. Yeah, because everyone calls her fat
Speaker 1: Monica and like reminds her deleted episode. There was an
Speaker 1: episode set to air in October two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: was all filmed ready to go. Ooh interesting timing. And
Speaker 1: then in September two thousand and one, a few weeks
Speaker 1: before New York experienced the deadliest terrorist attack in US history.
Speaker 1: And let me explain to you the episode they had
Speaker 1: ready to go. I have never heard this story. Monica
Speaker 1: and Chandler are newly married. He's married, so can't be gay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're checking in at the airport, Claire, you're in
Speaker 1: a writer's room. Chandler needs a funny little one liner.
Speaker 1: He needs a complication at the airport. What does Chandler say,
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no no no. Does he
Speaker 1: do a terrorist? He makes a joke about bombs on
Speaker 1: in front of a sign that says no joking about
Speaker 1: bombs or hijacking. Hey, look at that federal lot prohibits
Speaker 1: any joking regarding aircraft, hijacking or bombing.
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about me, ma'am. I take
Speaker 2: my bombs very seriously. Sir, you want to come with us?
Speaker 1: No pay. They end up being interrogated by security, and
Speaker 1: just after they leave, Monica accidentally screamed something about blowing
Speaker 1: something up. Oh wow, Zill probably wouldn't have worked. That's
Speaker 1: very unfortunate. Like that's bad timing. Yeah, yeah it is,
Speaker 1: But you got it. I think you know the good
Speaker 1: thing about pumping out so many episodes and so many empty,
Speaker 1: hollow jokes is that I guess you don't really miss it.
Speaker 1: If one episode gets scrapped, Well, they didn't scrap it,
Speaker 1: they changed it. They like took this bit out they
Speaker 1: dine no, no, no, they took this out and they
Speaker 1: were probably like, oh, Chandlin needs a funny one liner.
Speaker 1: And as he walks through, they find that he's got
Speaker 1: like perfume in his bag and he shouts like, I'm
Speaker 1: not good. That's probably what they did. Oh okay, because
Speaker 1: yes's the same. Yeah, they're like ah ah, quick scram
Speaker 1: what's his biggest fit and being the saved as gay.
Speaker 1: A note on the takedown of Friends. So last week
Speaker 1: Friends turned thirty. Every time there's an anniversary, people reappraise
Speaker 1: the show. They reflect on how it's dated, which is fine,
Speaker 1: but some of the criticism is weird. I read this
Speaker 1: whole article about out how Friends is the most problematic
Speaker 1: show ever and I was like, fine, yes, go on,
Speaker 1: give me some evidence. Yes, And it's like I'm willing
Speaker 1: to be convinced. Oh, absolutely, But the writer is annoyed.
Speaker 1: They're always at the coffee house because as someone in
Speaker 1: her twenties, she doesn't really have time to hang out
Speaker 1: with her friends that much. And she's like, oh, are
Speaker 1: they really that extroverted? And it's like, you don't have
Speaker 1: to go to Central Perk, No, you don't have to
Speaker 1: go to a coffee house. They're allowed to go to
Speaker 1: a coffee house. Also, it's a TV show, which is
Speaker 1: something actually really important to remind people when you're talking
Speaker 1: about movies and TV shows. Is and this is quite profound.
Speaker 1: It's not real. It's not real. It's not not a documentary. No,
Speaker 1: you don't have to go to coffee. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't have to go to the cafe with your
Speaker 1: six friends. If you only have say five friends, that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Maybe you only have two friends, okay, maybe
Speaker 1: you have any friends. This isn't a statement on you
Speaker 1: and your friendship group. Also, going on a break has
Speaker 1: apparently been misconstrued thanks to Friends, because in Friends, Ross
Speaker 1: cheated on Rachel while on a break, and this person
Speaker 1: writing this article, she's losing it. She's saying, people today
Speaker 1: think that a break means you can get back with
Speaker 1: someone with our consequences, and I have here in my notes, honey,
Speaker 1: who hurt you? What happened with you and a break?
Speaker 1: She's really upset that it normalized a break in a
Speaker 1: relationship where Ross could go and cheat and have no conselquation.
Speaker 1: But like, wasn't the point of that storyline all I
Speaker 1: remember is ross. The only word that comes to mind
Speaker 1: is shrieking. We were on a break. We were on
Speaker 1: a break. We were on the break. Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: it that he was actually being held accountable for what
Speaker 1: he did? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And this is an issue
Speaker 1: I have. I'll come to it. The writer goes on,
Speaker 1: it's like getting a rebound while being able to get
Speaker 1: back with that person. That is not how the real
Speaker 1: world works. Yet people continue to do this because it's
Speaker 1: a normal thing. As I said today, is dancing to okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we're not in a good place. So someone told you
Speaker 1: that you're on a break and they cheat it, and
Speaker 1: now that has a baby and they've been married for
Speaker 1: a long time, and you're upset and friends triggered you,
Speaker 1: and no one will go get a coffee with you,
Speaker 1: not the central pair. The other thing is I get it,
Speaker 1: and I do this as well. You look at a
Speaker 1: TV show and you poke holes in all these things
Speaker 1: that aren't realistic, and it's like, Jesse, we've written a
Speaker 1: couple of episodes of television. There are certain things that
Speaker 1: need to happen because, as aforementioned, it's a TV show,
Speaker 1: not real life, and so The idea of the coffee
Speaker 1: shop is it is simply a cheap set that we
Speaker 1: can have the characters appear in over and over and
Speaker 1: over again. So it's not saying that is how you
Speaker 1: should live your own life. It is simply part of
Speaker 1: this TV show, which I will reiterate. Another criticism is
Speaker 1: that Joey popularized the term friend zone that was written
Speaker 1: into an episode of Friends waited too long to make
Speaker 1: you move and now you're in the friend zone. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not in the zone. Russ. You're mayor of the zone.
Speaker 1: How is that a problem? And it's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: he popularized the term, but that is not where you
Speaker 1: don't have a boyfriend. Every time she went on these
Speaker 1: tangents in this article, I just kept thinking, are we
Speaker 1: still talking about friends? It seems as though you grabbed
Speaker 1: a point from Friends and then got quite upset about
Speaker 1: something specific to her. You've become carried away. A lot
Speaker 1: of criticism will be like it was rude when Ross
Speaker 1: said this, or Ross could be possessive, and it's like
Speaker 1: that's just his character. Yeah, it's his character, and it's
Speaker 1: also part of the plot, Like characters are meant to
Speaker 1: be imperfect and her flaws. That's what drives story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: People are like, Joey's quite dumb, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's characteris and that's also the joke. And if characters
Speaker 1: were fully functioning, thriving, quite perfect human beings, they would
Speaker 1: be so boring. I just kept thinking every time I
Speaker 1: read these, and they just went more and more granular.
Speaker 1: I kept thinking, you've been watching too much Friends, You've
Speaker 1: gone back, you've watched it from the start, And I mean,
Speaker 1: I know we probably said it on this show before,
Speaker 1: but a great term for this is an achronism, and
Speaker 1: it's the idea that we are looking at the past
Speaker 1: from the perspective of the present. We are imposing the
Speaker 1: values of the present on the past, which is something
Speaker 1: the Internet does all the time, and we often do
Speaker 1: hear in the cancel courtroom, but at least we are
Speaker 1: self aware. Okay, the laugh track or Claire, have you
Speaker 1: watched those clips of Friends where they remove the laugh track? Yes?
Speaker 1: I believe I have, and it really does point out
Speaker 1: how flat a lot of the dialogue is. Okay, I
Speaker 1: am gonna play you some ross. Okay, who has become
Speaker 1: my hyper fixation? Just a quick thing? When I watched
Speaker 1: Friends h potentially until right now, I think I thought
Speaker 1: there was a studio audience laughing. I think there was,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't a laugh track. Is a laugh track
Speaker 1: the same as a studio audience? Goodness? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought that it was in front of a studio
Speaker 1: because it would be nice if we had a studio audience.
Speaker 1: I know, Yes, it was filmed in front of a
Speaker 1: real audience. Okay, so does that count as a laugh track? No,
Speaker 1: I guess not. But definitely there was someone standing at
Speaker 1: the front of the sign that said laugh. If you've
Speaker 1: ever gone and watched a television show be recorded, that's
Speaker 1: what they do. They really make you laugh, like they
Speaker 1: tell you into life ons and it's embarrassing. Since your son, yeah,
Speaker 1: his name is Riss Well nothing has just said it's
Speaker 1: close to Ryan, does he does? Little rasslake fanousaurus.
Speaker 2: Blaney chairs, Yeah, Olie talks about why how would he
Speaker 2: like to come with me to the Museum of Natural
Speaker 2: History after everyone else has left?
Speaker 1: Just the two of us. He could touch anything he wants.
Speaker 1: I just heard how you must have heard it, and
Speaker 1: that's not good. Okay, when you remove the laughter, it
Speaker 1: ross is a predator. Okay, it's simply sinister. It's really sinister,
Speaker 1: and it made me realize that I needed the laughing
Speaker 1: because otherwise confused about genre, and especially if it had
Speaker 1: been called insomniac, that very cafe that is a man
Speaker 1: who's not been sleeping. I think they should remake Friends
Speaker 1: as Insomnia Cafe, and it is simply Friends without the laugh.
Speaker 1: So there's another trend on YouTube that I went really
Speaker 1: deep in, which is Friends laugh track removed, but over
Speaker 1: the top they've just got screaming. So every time there's
Speaker 1: a joke, ah, and it's it's very insomnia Cafe. It's
Speaker 1: a fabulous, quite scary. Before we do charlegan sentences, can
Speaker 1: we just have a short moment to reminisce on like
Speaker 1: our favorite moments from Friends. Okay, okay, So one storyline
Speaker 1: I really liked was when Monica and Chandler went on
Speaker 1: a holiday and they met a couple that became their friends.
Speaker 1: I think that that holiday. The thing that started it
Speaker 1: was the interrogation with the bomb joke. I think that's okay,
Speaker 1: and her hair went really frizzy in the humidity, and
Speaker 1: that's relatable a representation for women who goes frizzy in heat,
Speaker 1: and they made these couple friends, and when they came back,
Speaker 1: they were really smug about their couple friends, and all
Speaker 1: the other friends were stupid friends. And then they got
Speaker 1: ghosted by the couple friends. I forgot about that. I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed that because I think what it really pointed
Speaker 1: to was the fact that when you have a friend
Speaker 1: group and you make new friends, you are mocked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well said, well said I think. And there is a
Speaker 1: smugness to having a couple friends. It makes you feel
Speaker 1: like a grown up. Yeah. And when you've gone on
Speaker 1: holiday and you do think it's more than it is, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like, my life has changed from the relationships
Speaker 1: I've built. And you get home and you go, we
Speaker 1: don't have that much in common. No, In fact, they
Speaker 1: live elsewhere. Yeah. Another criticism that a lot of people
Speaker 1: offered when it came to Friends was that they had housing,
Speaker 1: Like they had an apartment, which is apparently very privileged,
Speaker 1: and like, I do understand that housing is expensive, but
Speaker 1: friends without a room is like a very different it's
Speaker 1: a very very insomnia cafe. It's a very different kind
Speaker 1: of show. Yeah, they didn't each have their own apartment. No,
Speaker 1: they were sharing. Yeah, sometimes there were other roommates. Some
Speaker 1: of them were employed some of the time. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of dramatic logic to that.
Speaker 1: And again it was the nineties, not cost of living
Speaker 1: now exactly. I think that if you're getting upset because
Speaker 1: Monica did own an apartment, then again, what we've probably
Speaker 1: got to do is take a break. Want to take
Speaker 1: a break, turn off Friends? Yea right to your local member,
Speaker 1: because yeah, housing is too expensive, but that's a now issue.
Speaker 1: That's a now issue. Yeah, time for charges and sentences.
Speaker 1: My charge is Ross makes me feel weird, is the
Speaker 1: first thing I think a lot, maybe too much about
Speaker 1: when he got a spray twn Yeah, same same. I
Speaker 1: don't trust him. I think he's very possessive, he's very jealous,
Speaker 1: and he's quite controlling. But on the other things, as
Speaker 1: we've acknowledged, Friends is very much a product of its time,
Speaker 1: weirdly obsessed with sexuality, fat Monka not ideal, and Ross
Speaker 1: should never have tried to kiss his cousin. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: If it were made today, it'll be done differently. My
Speaker 1: charge concerns the real estate that these six patrons have
Speaker 1: over Central perk. Oh wow, great point they are and
Speaker 1: this is this is a legal word hogging the Yes,
Speaker 1: they are pests. They never order food. They all they
Speaker 1: get is that bloody what do they call it in America?
Speaker 1: Like the drink coffee and it's worth jackshit, it's like
Speaker 1: a dollar and it's free refills. Exactly. I can't even
Speaker 1: go to a cafe anymore. Well, if we're applying the
Speaker 1: values of the present to the past, well, I go
Speaker 1: into a cafe, I have to order. Oh they tell
Speaker 1: me to leave with my laptop. Yeah, they don't. And
Speaker 1: you get a little bit judged. You do. You can't
Speaker 1: just sit there on the same they're not your couches.
Speaker 1: And often they're causing a rackus. They are causing a rackus.
Speaker 1: They're talking about Chandler is having a gay panic in
Speaker 1: a public place. Yes, And patrons are just trying to
Speaker 1: go about their business and they're like, why is he
Speaker 1: shrieking about people? Thinking he's gag sentence just on Central Perk. Actually,
Speaker 1: I was thinking this is a cafe on Central Park,
Speaker 1: Like I'd probably be going to be busy, busy, and
Speaker 1: there's Two've gotta order food. Yeah, sentence. The tension of
Speaker 1: This show should have always been between these six friends
Speaker 1: and Gumper. Ah yeah, Gumpher. I remember Gumph. Now he's
Speaker 1: not the owner, but he is a I can't even
Speaker 1: call him a barrista. Make it Martin. What do you
Speaker 1: call someone who paused like a waist in coffee? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they needed to come get a takeaway coffee and go
Speaker 1: about your day. Okay, because what you're doing is you're
Speaker 1: taking up space, you're blocking it for other people, and
Speaker 1: you're affecting the income of what could be a very
Speaker 1: flourishing Central Perk cafe. Yeah yeah, Actually that cafe would
Speaker 1: have gone broke from the loitering. So I think it
Speaker 1: should have been Gumph shoeing the six friends literally, like
Speaker 1: get out, like standing there with a sign up, going,
Speaker 1: you've overstayed, You're welcome, get a takeaway if you're going
Speaker 1: to get anything. But you can't be sitting here taking
Speaker 1: up all this space without buying food, or stand outside.
Speaker 1: Go for a bloody war, go for a walk through
Speaker 1: Central Park. It's right, sing yeah, go back to one
Speaker 1: of your homes. There's plenty of it. Here's an idea.
Speaker 1: Buy a coffee machine. It's an instant coffee mate. I
Speaker 1: also think there are lines of tension and conflict that
Speaker 1: we need to pick up oh, that were unresolved, that
Speaker 1: were unresolved. For example, Ross is a shit dad to Ben.
Speaker 1: I don't know where Ben went, but he was never
Speaker 1: introduced to Emma. Ross is second born, which makes me
Speaker 1: think if there was like a redo, what I would
Speaker 1: want is cold open Ben sitting in a therapist's office
Speaker 1: close up of his face. Ben talked to me, well,
Speaker 1: i'll tell you what. Ben's got some daddy issues. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Ben's pissed and he starts describing Ross and the psychologist
Speaker 1: is like, is your dad in prison? And He's like, no,
Speaker 1: but he should be. What else do you think that
Speaker 1: it could pick up on? Well, just because that actor
Speaker 1: was Cole Sprouse, it was one of the Sprouse's tenctually,
Speaker 1: both those little twins who then went on to be
Speaker 1: in other shows the Big Daddy correct, oh my god,
Speaker 1: same little kids. And it does yeah, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: like potentially break the forth wall, like some meta stuff
Speaker 1: maybe like the kid is Cole Sprouse, Like he has
Speaker 1: become famous and he was a twin, which just whoa
Speaker 1: you know? Like Ross is like I didn't know you
Speaker 1: guys were twins. I thought I had one kid. I
Speaker 1: wonder if Little Emma was also twin. But in terms
Speaker 1: of where it went for everyone, I think Chandler and
Speaker 1: Monica didn't last. No. I think they went on to
Speaker 1: have midlife crises that just set them in different directions.
Speaker 1: I think Chandler needed to do some soul searching. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I completely agree, and Monica needed therapy about the whole family.
Speaker 1: The shaming. The shaming Ross and Rachel obviously didn't last
Speaker 1: because that was just toxics and Ross needs to just
Speaker 1: be on his own forever. I think things for fine
Speaker 1: for Joey. Yeah. How about Phoebe. Oh, I think Phoebe
Speaker 1: was thriving. I think she's had a happy, go lucky
Speaker 1: approach to life. She was a twin in the show,
Speaker 1: remember Oh Forgot? Yeah yeah, did I twin die? Yeah?
Speaker 1: She had quite a sad backstory. Yeah, not a lot
Speaker 1: of depth to Phoebe. No, I think it would be
Speaker 1: very therapised and very into trauma. Yeah. Things that were
Speaker 1: punchlines would now be traumas. Claire, what's your charge? So
Speaker 1: I do have a bit of an issue with us
Speaker 1: going back looking at something from twenty years ago and
Speaker 1: just tearing it apart because of what we know now.
Speaker 1: It makes it very difficult to make art if you
Speaker 1: are thinking, oh, well, it has to stand for all
Speaker 1: of time and there can't be any contextual clues here
Speaker 1: because people will tear it apart. Yeah, okay. With that said,
Speaker 1: I also think it's important to look at something like
Speaker 1: friends and acknowledge it almost as a historical artifact. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's acknowledge it like one of Ross's fossils. Yes, very
Speaker 1: that it can be a sign of how far we
Speaker 1: have come as a culture. Yes, maybe sometimes how far
Speaker 1: we have not come. I've always thought I remember saying
Speaker 1: this in ancient history and it was so so clever.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so you know how with fossils,
Speaker 1: for example, we dig up somewhere and you find fossils.
Speaker 1: And I was like, newsplash, why aren't we burying shit? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So like, why aren't I handwriting some notes about the
Speaker 1: world right now and burying them? And I said that
Speaker 1: in class and the teacher she turned to the class
Speaker 1: she said, does anyone have a response for clerk? I
Speaker 1: think she was thinking, this girl has issues and they're
Speaker 1: very A girl put her hand up and said we
Speaker 1: don't need to do that. We have the Internet, right,
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, the Internet can't be buried,
Speaker 1: and what if it breaks? It's very very because what
Speaker 1: if aliens come? So what you think we need a
Speaker 1: time capsule? Yeah? So what we need are these historical
Speaker 1: artifacts that we physically bury in the ground, Yes, to
Speaker 1: be after the next Ice age when people look back
Speaker 1: and they try and understand what humans where. You want
Speaker 1: the HS versions BHS. But then obviously you also need
Speaker 1: to tape machine obviously. Yeah, and a television because the
Speaker 1: Internet is just going to be white. It's going to
Speaker 1: be turned off and all of this analysis, Yeah, Kirsty
Speaker 1: is going to be gone. Yeah, you gotta bury that
Speaker 1: shit in the dirt, and the person who watches it
Speaker 1: is going to go, wow, everyone was white, Yeah, everyone
Speaker 1: was white. This man was suffering from what can only
Speaker 1: be termed gay panic. Ross was a predator, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So I think we need to bury friends and with
Speaker 1: it bury a one thousand page dissection everything of everything wrong. Right, So,
Speaker 1: and that will be such an interesting reflection of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four versus the nineties and early two thousands. It's like,
Speaker 1: this is where we are as a culture is that
Speaker 1: things are quite scary right now. Yeah, from a like
Speaker 1: climate change, global colis, things are pretty awful. So what
Speaker 1: we choose to do with our time instead of writing
Speaker 1: to our local member is we watch Friends and we
Speaker 1: get mad that they had actional characters. So we need
Speaker 1: to have a one thousand page dissertation. Yeah, analyzing it,
Speaker 1: And I just think that that will be such an
Speaker 1: important time capsule for the aliens. If you had to
Speaker 1: bury something in your time capsule, like, what would you bury? Honestly? Yeah, honestly, yeah,
Speaker 1: a coke zero in a fridge. I think you're just
Speaker 1: fir no, But I just think the aliens would appreciate it.
Speaker 1: They'd be like, these people knew out of it. What
Speaker 1: would you bury? Either a paper straw or like a
Speaker 1: metal Oh, I don't know. I think it's like the
Speaker 1: world's over. Plastic straws are bound. You know, it tastes
Speaker 1: better with a plastic straw. I can't access them, I
Speaker 1: don't use them, but it does. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us on this episode of Canceled. Claire, do
Speaker 1: you have a lazy girls story? Before we go? Here's
Speaker 1: my lazy girl story. Dear Claire and Jesse. So picture this,
Speaker 1: love it straight into it, No tymee for pleasantries. I'm
Speaker 1: leaving the gym this morning. Yes, I know, Jim and
Speaker 1: morning in the same sentence. Who even am? II? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I decided to give mm a ring on my
Speaker 1: way to work. Very lazy girl moved. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: be alone with your own thoughts. No super productive for
Speaker 1: self proclaimed lazy girl. Right anyway, midchat, Mum casually asked
Speaker 1: if I'm planning to have a shower at work. Of course,
Speaker 1: I responded with math, probably not, don't work that hard,
Speaker 1: not really sweaty. I'll just do a quick wet white
Speaker 1: situation and top up cety over and yet love And
Speaker 1: guess what. Mum was totally on board with this, and
Speaker 1: then she drops this absolute gem. Apparently my granny Joe
Speaker 1: had a term for this, and it's called dirty flash. Yep,
Speaker 1: you heard that right, dirty flash. I burst out laughing
Speaker 1: and asked Mum what on earth that meant. She explained
Speaker 1: that it's when you're technically dirty but you still look flash.
Speaker 1: You know, like when you get home after a long day,
Speaker 1: slap on some nice clothes and head out like you've
Speaker 1: got it all together a true lazy girl move. That
Speaker 1: feeling of getting home from work and you're physically sticky,
Speaker 1: your makeup's all in your lines, right, and you get
Speaker 1: home and you're like, I'm going to go out, like
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to dinner, and what I'm going
Speaker 1: to do is put more makeup. I'm going to cake
Speaker 1: it on, because you guys, sometimes I look at my
Speaker 1: face and I go, this needs a wash off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a region a skin care moment. Do you ever
Speaker 1: look at your makeup and you go, oh, my eyeliner
Speaker 1: or my mascara has smaged. What I will do is
Speaker 1: cover it with laugh Yeah, yeah, okay, cake on more makeup, yeah,
Speaker 1: to fix it. That is a lazy girl move. You
Speaker 1: just put on more. And that's the thing with sweat.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not totally convinced sweats dirty. No.
Speaker 1: And you know what you keep seeing these things about, oh,
Speaker 1: in the Western world, shower too much? Lazy girls love
Speaker 1: that it makes us sick. We share that on Instagram.
Speaker 1: How does it make us sick? That's the question. But
Speaker 1: I'm actually all for that. I think sweat just reabsorbs. Yeah, great,
Speaker 1: you get wet and then it just kind of goes
Speaker 1: all back in. Yeah, I think it's good for the
Speaker 1: skin to me too, So that is new to the
Speaker 1: lazy girl vernacular. Dirty Flash Branny Joe, Granny Joe, our
Speaker 1: favorite canceled this much. Thank you so much for listening
Speaker 1: to this episode of Canceled. The producer of Canceled is
Speaker 1: Kim Bradish with audio production by Leah Porges. And we'll
Speaker 1: be back next week. Bye bye,