1 00:00:11,189 --> 00:00:15,349 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mom and Mayor 2 00:00:15,429 --> 00:00:18,669 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this 3 00:00:18,749 --> 00:00:31,349 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on Hello, and welcome to Cancel, the 4 00:00:31,389 --> 00:00:35,109 Speaker 1: podcast that looks at silly celebrity crimes and assigns charges 5 00:00:35,109 --> 00:00:37,189 Speaker 1: and sentences to them so that we can all move 6 00:00:37,229 --> 00:00:40,069 Speaker 1: on with our lives. I am Jesse Stevens and I'm 7 00:00:40,149 --> 00:00:43,789 Speaker 1: joined by Claire Stephens, and today we're talking about a 8 00:00:43,869 --> 00:00:48,429 Speaker 1: little known American sitcom which aired on NBC from nineteen 9 00:00:48,509 --> 00:00:51,789 Speaker 1: ninety four to two thousand and four, lasting ten seasons. 10 00:00:52,309 --> 00:01:00,149 Speaker 1: It is named Friends, Yes, heard of it. I was 11 00:01:00,149 --> 00:01:02,149 Speaker 1: a little extram again that I done pretty good deal? 12 00:01:02,709 --> 00:01:05,869 Speaker 2: How much thousand bucks? 13 00:01:06,429 --> 00:01:07,269 Speaker 1: Honor chat? 14 00:01:08,469 --> 00:01:19,709 Speaker 2: We're not, Oh, well, what I do is I look 15 00:01:19,709 --> 00:01:24,509 Speaker 2: a woman up and down and they say, hey, how. 16 00:01:24,349 --> 00:01:28,869 Speaker 1: You do it? Did you know that wasn't its original? Mate? 17 00:01:29,269 --> 00:01:31,709 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love these facts. Okay, well, no, 18 00:01:31,909 --> 00:01:34,189 Speaker 1: three seconds. You get to decide, you get to have 19 00:01:34,229 --> 00:01:37,269 Speaker 1: a little little okay, okayttle guesses would be blag to 20 00:01:37,509 --> 00:01:41,229 Speaker 1: Shoey and Rachel like like maybe like the names of 21 00:01:41,309 --> 00:01:43,829 Speaker 1: like characters. Okay, no, just to have another guess because 22 00:01:43,869 --> 00:01:45,909 Speaker 1: that was such shit. It was the one word two 23 00:01:45,909 --> 00:01:49,989 Speaker 1: words the friends. Okay, nice nice, No, it was Insomnia Cafe. 24 00:01:50,429 --> 00:01:52,829 Speaker 1: That's the single worst name for a show I've ever heard. 25 00:01:52,869 --> 00:01:55,869 Speaker 1: It's misleading. It is it is. That's not even what 26 00:01:55,909 --> 00:01:59,189 Speaker 1: the cafe was called. No, it's called Central per Yeah. 27 00:01:59,269 --> 00:02:01,629 Speaker 1: It makes it sound like a thriller when no one 28 00:02:01,709 --> 00:02:05,469 Speaker 1: can sleep. Would watch I would watch Insomnia Cafe. It's 29 00:02:05,509 --> 00:02:08,589 Speaker 1: just not what Friends was. David Crane and Marta Kaufman 30 00:02:08,949 --> 00:02:12,069 Speaker 1: began developing and So Cafe in nineteen ninety three and 31 00:02:12,109 --> 00:02:15,629 Speaker 1: pitched it to NBC. If I'm NBC, I'm going what's 32 00:02:15,629 --> 00:02:18,429 Speaker 1: the genre? Oh? Is a sitcom? No? No, no, I 33 00:02:18,469 --> 00:02:21,669 Speaker 1: want a thriller or nothing? Yeah, And it went through 34 00:02:21,709 --> 00:02:26,709 Speaker 1: a few name changes. Firstly six of one six kind 35 00:02:26,709 --> 00:02:30,189 Speaker 1: of like Party of five. I don't mind that, and 36 00:02:30,229 --> 00:02:34,349 Speaker 1: then Friends like Us would have worked. Eventually it became 37 00:02:34,389 --> 00:02:37,589 Speaker 1: friends Friends like Us. We have a lot of arguments 38 00:02:37,629 --> 00:02:40,869 Speaker 1: at work, this place that we work at, where our 39 00:02:40,909 --> 00:02:43,109 Speaker 1: boss she wants to put it the in front of everything, 40 00:02:43,309 --> 00:02:46,069 Speaker 1: which is very the Facebook. Yeah, so we canceled. It'd 41 00:02:46,069 --> 00:02:47,629 Speaker 1: be like, I think we should called it the canceled. 42 00:02:47,829 --> 00:02:51,189 Speaker 1: It's like hundred crap years old, So what We're gonna 43 00:02:51,229 --> 00:02:53,629 Speaker 1: do is We're gonna drop the other? Yeah. The premise 44 00:02:53,789 --> 00:02:57,709 Speaker 1: is that six friends, Ross Rachel, Wonika, Joey Chandler, and Phoebe, 45 00:02:57,709 --> 00:03:00,829 Speaker 1: all twenty somethings, live in New York City. Over the 46 00:03:00,829 --> 00:03:03,469 Speaker 1: course of ten years, they go through many life lessons, 47 00:03:03,589 --> 00:03:07,589 Speaker 1: love stories, drama, friendship, and of course comedy. That sounds 48 00:03:07,589 --> 00:03:11,269 Speaker 1: like a terrible premis like where is the dead body? 49 00:03:11,549 --> 00:03:15,549 Speaker 1: Where is the local suburban drug dealer? Allah, breaking bad? 50 00:03:15,709 --> 00:03:17,709 Speaker 1: It's weird that, like, what are the stakes? Tell me 51 00:03:17,709 --> 00:03:21,869 Speaker 1: about that? Coms? You couldn't really have a sitcom now? Oh, 52 00:03:21,949 --> 00:03:24,149 Speaker 1: I guess it's like the Office. You couldn't have a 53 00:03:24,149 --> 00:03:27,869 Speaker 1: sitcom because everything we watch needs a dead body. Yeah, 54 00:03:27,989 --> 00:03:32,069 Speaker 1: we'd need like Rachel to be a dead woman and 55 00:03:32,149 --> 00:03:35,549 Speaker 1: Jowey to be a detective order for it to work, 56 00:03:35,589 --> 00:03:39,029 Speaker 1: because I don't know what the conflict, think about it 57 00:03:39,069 --> 00:03:41,589 Speaker 1: and maybe just thinking about the perfect couple A gory 58 00:03:41,709 --> 00:03:45,949 Speaker 1: grapdowns at the beginning, We life, real life, Who's gonna be? 59 00:03:46,149 --> 00:03:50,869 Speaker 1: Well last night, I've been into that and in fact 60 00:03:50,869 --> 00:03:52,789 Speaker 1: I kind of did one on that couch. Ah. But 61 00:03:52,989 --> 00:03:55,989 Speaker 1: despite my feedback, the final episode of Friends became one 62 00:03:56,069 --> 00:04:00,429 Speaker 1: of the most watched finales in television history. Fifty two 63 00:04:00,589 --> 00:04:04,429 Speaker 1: point five million Americans watched it. Did you hear the 64 00:04:04,509 --> 00:04:08,149 Speaker 1: part where I said one of the most oh finalese, 65 00:04:08,229 --> 00:04:10,389 Speaker 1: one of the most watched. I then became a sessed 66 00:04:10,429 --> 00:04:13,069 Speaker 1: we've raising out of beat. We've got to be thinking 67 00:04:13,149 --> 00:04:16,669 Speaker 1: pre streaming. Oh yeah, I thought, great. So I don't know, 68 00:04:17,029 --> 00:04:21,349 Speaker 1: Friends is the fifth most watched finale. I'm gonna need 69 00:04:21,589 --> 00:04:26,309 Speaker 1: you to throw out someone's city incorrect again. I don't 70 00:04:26,389 --> 00:04:29,549 Speaker 1: think watching that live. So I feld, yes, that was 71 00:04:29,629 --> 00:04:34,029 Speaker 1: number four, number three, The Fugitive You've never heard, I've 72 00:04:34,069 --> 00:04:40,149 Speaker 1: never heard of it, Number two the Sopranos, She is okay, Yeah? 73 00:04:40,269 --> 00:04:44,669 Speaker 1: And then number one, No. Number one, most watched finale 74 00:04:44,709 --> 00:04:47,509 Speaker 1: of all time. Nearly one hundred and six million Americans 75 00:04:47,509 --> 00:04:50,949 Speaker 1: watched it. No, you've watched an episode of this, it's 76 00:04:51,029 --> 00:05:03,389 Speaker 1: one that you've watched. Mash oh Nan loved Masha six PM. Yeah, 77 00:05:03,389 --> 00:05:06,069 Speaker 1: and it always made me think Mash usually she'd have 78 00:05:06,149 --> 00:05:08,669 Speaker 1: some she would she would, and so I was like, Mash, Mash, 79 00:05:08,709 --> 00:05:11,829 Speaker 1: this show is terrible. I googled the population of America 80 00:05:12,029 --> 00:05:14,949 Speaker 1: at the time this actually broadcast, because it was nineteen 81 00:05:14,989 --> 00:05:16,989 Speaker 1: eighty three, the population of America was two hundred and 82 00:05:17,029 --> 00:05:19,709 Speaker 1: thirty three million. I repeat, one hundred and six million 83 00:05:19,749 --> 00:05:22,389 Speaker 1: Americans watched it. Okay, half of America, so half of 84 00:05:22,389 --> 00:05:25,269 Speaker 1: America's were not busy and said, I will be watching 85 00:05:25,349 --> 00:05:28,349 Speaker 1: some mash. What a beautiful cultural moment. I've watched a 86 00:05:28,389 --> 00:05:32,669 Speaker 1: lot of Mash can't again. Not following Vietnam War, Apparently 87 00:05:32,709 --> 00:05:34,149 Speaker 1: the series went for a lot longer than the war. 88 00:05:35,109 --> 00:05:38,949 Speaker 1: In the final two seasons of Friends were not canceling. 89 00:05:39,029 --> 00:05:42,149 Speaker 1: Mash Nan would roll over in her go no Mash 90 00:05:42,229 --> 00:05:44,389 Speaker 1: can stand. She'd say, I think mash was meant to 91 00:05:44,429 --> 00:05:46,989 Speaker 1: be funny. I don't know anyway. The cast were paid 92 00:05:47,149 --> 00:05:49,989 Speaker 1: one million dollars each per episode. And how many episodes 93 00:05:50,029 --> 00:05:52,109 Speaker 1: were their final season do you reckon? I think they 94 00:05:52,149 --> 00:05:54,389 Speaker 1: were eight. I think there was normally sixteen and they 95 00:05:54,469 --> 00:05:57,989 Speaker 1: cut it ah down. It's credited as being the first 96 00:05:58,189 --> 00:06:01,509 Speaker 1: real ensemble show. They all fought for them not to 97 00:06:01,589 --> 00:06:04,269 Speaker 1: be a main character and wanted it, and didn't they 98 00:06:04,429 --> 00:06:07,829 Speaker 1: negotiate together? And they did. They did unionized. They went 99 00:06:07,869 --> 00:06:10,869 Speaker 1: full Hamilton and they said, we'll be paid together. But 100 00:06:11,029 --> 00:06:14,709 Speaker 1: Claire Friends aired in the nineties, and if there's one 101 00:06:14,749 --> 00:06:18,229 Speaker 1: thing we know about the nineties. Problematic is that they 102 00:06:18,269 --> 00:06:22,429 Speaker 1: were funked. My structure for today is as follows, Fat Monica, Ah, 103 00:06:22,589 --> 00:06:27,509 Speaker 1: I remember Chandler broadly, weird sex stuff, a deleted episode, 104 00:06:28,109 --> 00:06:31,749 Speaker 1: a note on the general takedown of friends, and finally 105 00:06:32,589 --> 00:06:36,709 Speaker 1: the laugh track. Yeah, okay, on the laugh track. I 106 00:06:36,749 --> 00:06:38,629 Speaker 1: have a bone to pick with the editors of this podcast. 107 00:06:38,949 --> 00:06:42,189 Speaker 1: What I think we could have a laugh. Oh my gosh, 108 00:06:42,309 --> 00:06:43,989 Speaker 1: we need a laugh I think we need a laugh track. 109 00:06:44,149 --> 00:06:47,629 Speaker 1: Whenever things get awkwards, there's a pause. Okay, we need 110 00:06:48,069 --> 00:06:51,309 Speaker 1: the lovely person who does the audio editing of this Leah. 111 00:06:52,189 --> 00:06:54,869 Speaker 1: I want her to insert a laugh track when she 112 00:06:55,189 --> 00:06:58,389 Speaker 1: feels that it's needed. And maybe we weren't even making 113 00:06:58,469 --> 00:07:02,109 Speaker 1: a joke so true, Maybe she just anything funny. Yeah, 114 00:07:02,229 --> 00:07:06,349 Speaker 1: laugh track? Yeah, I got out of bed. I really 115 00:07:06,429 --> 00:07:09,149 Speaker 1: want her to do that. It would make the podcast airable. 116 00:07:09,669 --> 00:07:13,189 Speaker 1: Fat dude, don't do that to me. And it's cool. 117 00:07:13,309 --> 00:07:15,309 Speaker 1: You can stay here. My parents won't mind. No, it's 118 00:07:15,349 --> 00:07:16,749 Speaker 1: not that I just want to be stuck here all 119 00:07:16,789 --> 00:07:21,109 Speaker 1: night with your fat sister. Eh. Claire Monica, played by 120 00:07:21,149 --> 00:07:25,029 Speaker 1: Courtney Cox, gets a lot of flashback scenes. In particular, 121 00:07:25,229 --> 00:07:27,869 Speaker 1: there's an episode titled the One That could have been. 122 00:07:27,949 --> 00:07:30,949 Speaker 1: And it's a two parter when Monica never lost weight. 123 00:07:31,789 --> 00:07:34,589 Speaker 1: In case he didn't notice this while watching Fat Monica, 124 00:07:34,829 --> 00:07:37,909 Speaker 1: who appears in flashbacks, he is just Courtney Cox in 125 00:07:37,989 --> 00:07:42,029 Speaker 1: fat suit. It went full shallow. How the nineties the 126 00:07:42,029 --> 00:07:47,309 Speaker 1: early two thousands, they thought nothing was funnier and or 127 00:07:47,389 --> 00:07:52,349 Speaker 1: more creative than a thin person. Yeah CODs playing, Yeah, yeah, 128 00:07:52,389 --> 00:07:54,829 Speaker 1: as somebody bigger than they were. There was definitely someone 129 00:07:54,829 --> 00:07:57,429 Speaker 1: who went around to writers' rooms and whenever it comes 130 00:07:57,469 --> 00:07:59,029 Speaker 1: there there was a lull. Have you thought of a 131 00:07:59,069 --> 00:08:01,909 Speaker 1: fat suit? My work here is done, walked out. I 132 00:08:01,949 --> 00:08:03,789 Speaker 1: want to show you a picture of her, and I 133 00:08:03,909 --> 00:08:06,189 Speaker 1: want you to tell me if you notice anything looking back. 134 00:08:06,469 --> 00:08:09,949 Speaker 1: All right, this is a picture of fat Monica. Oh wow, 135 00:08:10,109 --> 00:08:13,389 Speaker 1: Oh she's not fat. Yeah, that's what I said. She's 136 00:08:13,469 --> 00:08:17,189 Speaker 1: not fat. That was my note. She's just I've written 137 00:08:17,229 --> 00:08:19,629 Speaker 1: this in my notes. She's simply a woman with breast. 138 00:08:19,829 --> 00:08:22,709 Speaker 1: She is. She's a woman with breasts and hips. And 139 00:08:22,989 --> 00:08:25,629 Speaker 1: they've crimped her hair as if to say, if you're 140 00:08:25,709 --> 00:08:29,509 Speaker 1: not stick thin, your hair is bad, your hair is weird. 141 00:08:29,789 --> 00:08:35,349 Speaker 1: And she's always holding food. Oh my god, my memory 142 00:08:35,469 --> 00:08:39,029 Speaker 1: had been totally arrased. Yeah, this is why we were 143 00:08:39,109 --> 00:08:42,389 Speaker 1: also fucked up in the ninety I know. Okay, So 144 00:08:43,069 --> 00:08:46,349 Speaker 1: there's an alternate opening sequence with Fat Monica, and I 145 00:08:46,389 --> 00:08:47,869 Speaker 1: have it right here for you, and I want to 146 00:08:47,949 --> 00:08:50,429 Speaker 1: just show you by alternate, do you mean on the 147 00:08:50,509 --> 00:08:53,589 Speaker 1: episodes that she was in, it had this as the 148 00:08:53,949 --> 00:08:58,429 Speaker 1: friend's intro, just press play. Okay, So what happens is 149 00:08:59,029 --> 00:09:02,109 Speaker 1: Fat Monica jumps on the couch and the couch tips 150 00:09:02,149 --> 00:09:07,269 Speaker 1: over because she's fair. Classic. Yeah, that's what happens. Classic. 151 00:09:07,429 --> 00:09:12,069 Speaker 1: That is just right. The work that must have taken. 152 00:09:12,149 --> 00:09:14,349 Speaker 1: I come up with that joke getting your fat suit 153 00:09:14,589 --> 00:09:20,229 Speaker 1: just so many hours and then analyzing why it's funny. Yeah, 154 00:09:20,669 --> 00:09:23,749 Speaker 1: but it's not really very funny. In that episode, one 155 00:09:23,789 --> 00:09:26,869 Speaker 1: of the complications is that Fat Monica is becoming increasingly 156 00:09:26,989 --> 00:09:30,109 Speaker 1: concerned that someone sat on her chocolate bar. I believe 157 00:09:30,149 --> 00:09:33,389 Speaker 1: it was a kit cat, which, by the way, genuinely distressing. 158 00:09:34,029 --> 00:09:36,189 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter your size. It doesn't matter your size. 159 00:09:36,669 --> 00:09:38,709 Speaker 1: If somebody sat on my kit cat, that would be 160 00:09:38,829 --> 00:09:41,749 Speaker 1: enough of complication in my story. In my day, if 161 00:09:41,789 --> 00:09:45,829 Speaker 1: someone sat on my chocolate bar, I would be wondering 162 00:09:45,829 --> 00:09:48,429 Speaker 1: if their body heat made it melt. If it became 163 00:09:48,469 --> 00:09:50,509 Speaker 1: that chocolate where it's like it's not even chocolate anymore. 164 00:09:50,549 --> 00:09:53,789 Speaker 1: It's just like stuck to the sides, and it's no 165 00:09:53,909 --> 00:09:55,949 Speaker 1: longer the texture that I need it to be. The 166 00:09:56,029 --> 00:09:58,669 Speaker 1: other day, my husband and I we went to Subway, 167 00:09:58,829 --> 00:10:02,149 Speaker 1: and naturally we got several cookies. Obviously, some of the 168 00:10:02,229 --> 00:10:04,629 Speaker 1: cookies were mine, some of the cookies were his. I 169 00:10:04,869 --> 00:10:07,109 Speaker 1: was wrangling our baby, and while I was doing that, 170 00:10:07,589 --> 00:10:10,029 Speaker 1: I witnessed him start to eat one of my cookies, 171 00:10:10,629 --> 00:10:13,829 Speaker 1: and I was it by mistake, No, okay, he was 172 00:10:13,869 --> 00:10:19,269 Speaker 1: being sneaky. I snapped where cookies go. And there's nothing 173 00:10:19,429 --> 00:10:26,509 Speaker 1: more more shameful shameful about snapping about somebody eating your treat. Yeah, yeah, 174 00:10:26,789 --> 00:10:29,549 Speaker 1: but I was so upset. I don't ruin that for me. 175 00:10:31,589 --> 00:10:33,669 Speaker 1: Get almost I've been sitting on the couch and he's 176 00:10:33,709 --> 00:10:35,669 Speaker 1: said he's almost gone over to get like some of 177 00:10:35,749 --> 00:10:38,549 Speaker 1: my brownie or whatever, and it's like, have a really 178 00:10:38,629 --> 00:10:40,989 Speaker 1: violent instinct to like flip his hand away, and then 179 00:10:40,989 --> 00:10:43,189 Speaker 1: I I'm really sorry. I don't know what came over me. 180 00:10:43,709 --> 00:10:46,149 Speaker 1: Was like, don't touch it, don't take my foot anyway. 181 00:10:46,229 --> 00:10:49,469 Speaker 1: Fat Monica is characterized as a previous version of Monica, 182 00:10:49,589 --> 00:10:54,029 Speaker 1: who exclusively ate sloppily wiping chocolate from her face or 183 00:10:54,109 --> 00:10:57,709 Speaker 1: licking powdered sugar from her fingers. Again, these are two 184 00:10:57,749 --> 00:10:59,509 Speaker 1: things that are critical if you don't want to waste 185 00:10:59,589 --> 00:11:03,669 Speaker 1: chocolate or cinnamon, for example, no judgment. So in the 186 00:11:03,789 --> 00:11:06,749 Speaker 1: alternate plot line where Monica didn't lose weight, she also 187 00:11:06,909 --> 00:11:09,789 Speaker 1: remains a virgin, probably because it's caughtney cocks and a 188 00:11:09,829 --> 00:11:13,109 Speaker 1: fat suit and suitors couldn't find her vagina hole. Yeah. Yeah, 189 00:11:13,269 --> 00:11:15,189 Speaker 1: people probably want to have sex with her. Yeah, but 190 00:11:15,269 --> 00:11:17,389 Speaker 1: they were like, where's is it? Yeah, where's the z 191 00:11:17,389 --> 00:11:19,109 Speaker 1: it mate? And she's like, I don't know, but I'm 192 00:11:19,109 --> 00:11:22,589 Speaker 1: wearing an entire suit simply to give the impression that 193 00:11:22,669 --> 00:11:26,109 Speaker 1: I have breasts. Kelsey Miller, writing an op ed for Vox, said, 194 00:11:26,949 --> 00:11:30,109 Speaker 1: fat Monica isn't even a person. She's not Monica Fat. 195 00:11:30,549 --> 00:11:33,669 Speaker 1: She's a cartoon character with a weird, screamy voice and 196 00:11:33,749 --> 00:11:36,789 Speaker 1: a totally different personality. Yes, if you can call an 197 00:11:36,789 --> 00:11:39,949 Speaker 1: affinity for mayonnaise and KitKat a personality, I hope you 198 00:11:39,989 --> 00:11:42,909 Speaker 1: can see that's mine. Yeah. Her entire life is eating 199 00:11:43,069 --> 00:11:46,469 Speaker 1: and pining and occasionally dancing to disco music with doughnuts 200 00:11:46,509 --> 00:11:51,029 Speaker 1: in her hands. For no reason she's a clown. There's 201 00:11:51,029 --> 00:11:53,269 Speaker 1: a scene where she can't get up off the bean bag, 202 00:11:53,349 --> 00:11:56,389 Speaker 1: allegedly due to her weight, and respectfully, show me a 203 00:11:56,429 --> 00:11:58,149 Speaker 1: person who can get up off a bean bag. Yeah, no, 204 00:11:58,229 --> 00:12:00,909 Speaker 1: it's really tricky. There's also a memorable line from Joey 205 00:12:01,149 --> 00:12:03,429 Speaker 1: when they're watching a video of Monica in her prom 206 00:12:03,509 --> 00:12:07,749 Speaker 1: dress eating a sandwich, and he yells, I'm girling, Monica. 207 00:12:10,869 --> 00:12:13,149 Speaker 2: Shut up. The camera adds ten pounds. 208 00:12:13,709 --> 00:12:19,109 Speaker 1: Huh so, how many cameras are actually on you? Have 209 00:12:19,269 --> 00:12:22,869 Speaker 1: you ever heard of anything more nineties? No? I wonder 210 00:12:22,909 --> 00:12:25,429 Speaker 1: if anybody at the time noticed or if it was 211 00:12:25,589 --> 00:12:30,069 Speaker 1: so insidious our fat phobia that everybody just took it, 212 00:12:30,269 --> 00:12:31,749 Speaker 1: or they saw it and they went they had like 213 00:12:32,229 --> 00:12:34,029 Speaker 1: a moment of inspiration where they went, you know what 214 00:12:34,109 --> 00:12:37,029 Speaker 1: we should make is a film named Shallow How. Yeah, 215 00:12:37,189 --> 00:12:41,389 Speaker 1: Jack Black should be in it, and I'm thinking, on 216 00:12:41,389 --> 00:12:44,229 Speaker 1: a fat suit, I'm feeling it. But then the whole 217 00:12:44,349 --> 00:12:47,229 Speaker 1: premise of Shallow How is of course that he sees 218 00:12:47,269 --> 00:12:50,829 Speaker 1: her as thin, but joke's on him. She's fat. And 219 00:12:51,389 --> 00:12:54,709 Speaker 1: can you love someone when they're fat? A man? Yes? 220 00:12:55,029 --> 00:13:08,709 Speaker 1: Because black black? Yeah? Yeah. Chandler a reappraisal of Friends 221 00:13:08,909 --> 00:13:13,749 Speaker 1: thirty years on has a lot of people saying fuck Chandler. Okay, 222 00:13:14,029 --> 00:13:17,309 Speaker 1: but Matthew Perry rip, I should stayed on the record. 223 00:13:17,389 --> 00:13:20,269 Speaker 1: Matthew Perry and Chandler are not the same person. No, no. 224 00:13:20,509 --> 00:13:24,949 Speaker 1: Matthew Perry famously said he didn't recall shooting like three seasons. Yeah. Yeah. 225 00:13:25,589 --> 00:13:28,429 Speaker 1: There was an article published in Slay titled Chandler bing 226 00:13:28,629 --> 00:13:30,989 Speaker 1: is the worst thing about Watching Friends in twenty fifteen. 227 00:13:31,549 --> 00:13:34,869 Speaker 1: The writer Ruth Graham argues that he is endlessly paranoid 228 00:13:34,949 --> 00:13:37,709 Speaker 1: about being perceived as gay. I went back and watched 229 00:13:37,709 --> 00:13:39,269 Speaker 1: a whole lot of scenes, and I was like, very 230 00:13:39,389 --> 00:13:43,629 Speaker 1: astute observation. This man is homophobic in the sense of 231 00:13:43,749 --> 00:13:46,749 Speaker 1: like a pathology really like not in the sense of 232 00:13:46,869 --> 00:13:49,429 Speaker 1: talking about something broadly being homophobic, but he is so 233 00:13:49,709 --> 00:13:52,389 Speaker 1: anxious about being seen as gay. Like what I can't remember. 234 00:13:52,629 --> 00:13:56,149 Speaker 1: Like there's a scene where Joey has a handbag. He 235 00:13:56,189 --> 00:13:58,789 Speaker 1: walks in with a handbag. Chandler just has like this 236 00:13:58,989 --> 00:14:01,829 Speaker 1: visceral reaction of like you're gay, and like he just 237 00:14:02,029 --> 00:14:04,309 Speaker 1: really doesn't like it. And then he's like metal like 238 00:14:04,389 --> 00:14:07,109 Speaker 1: it I'm after my audition. How do I ever, Ah, 239 00:14:08,309 --> 00:14:09,549 Speaker 1: I think you'll a great Joey. 240 00:14:09,629 --> 00:14:11,069 Speaker 2: That bag is to get you that part. 241 00:14:11,269 --> 00:14:13,429 Speaker 1: And a date with a man. He's worried that people 242 00:14:13,429 --> 00:14:15,309 Speaker 1: are going to see him as gay as well if 243 00:14:15,349 --> 00:14:18,269 Speaker 1: he does anything moderately feminine. Okay, he's not the most 244 00:14:18,309 --> 00:14:20,509 Speaker 1: masculine guy in the world, but he's got a real 245 00:14:20,589 --> 00:14:23,789 Speaker 1: hang up on his sexuality. He is identified in the 246 00:14:23,909 --> 00:14:26,869 Speaker 1: first season as having a quality of gayness about him, 247 00:14:27,069 --> 00:14:30,389 Speaker 1: whatever that means, and then he spends ten seasons suppressing 248 00:14:30,509 --> 00:14:35,189 Speaker 1: anything mildly feminine about him. I've heard him described as 249 00:14:35,269 --> 00:14:39,989 Speaker 1: simply embodying gay panic Yes, and that could not be 250 00:14:40,149 --> 00:14:43,709 Speaker 1: more accurate. Yes, he is terrified of gayness, which I 251 00:14:43,749 --> 00:14:46,189 Speaker 1: think is also a lot of characters again in the nineties. 252 00:14:46,629 --> 00:14:50,469 Speaker 1: It is also interesting that this was a show set 253 00:14:50,549 --> 00:14:55,869 Speaker 1: in New York in the nineties with very little queer representation. 254 00:14:55,989 --> 00:14:58,069 Speaker 1: I can think of one example, which we may get too. 255 00:14:59,149 --> 00:15:03,749 Speaker 1: There was a very big population of gay I know, 256 00:15:04,149 --> 00:15:06,069 Speaker 1: but it was pre same sex marriage. Like it was 257 00:15:06,109 --> 00:15:08,749 Speaker 1: a totally different world. And in fact, I don't think 258 00:15:08,789 --> 00:15:11,909 Speaker 1: I get into this here, but they had a gay wedding. 259 00:15:12,189 --> 00:15:15,869 Speaker 1: So two women marry right, oh yeah, and just did 260 00:15:15,949 --> 00:15:20,029 Speaker 1: a lot of Yes, went a long way towards degrading that. Yes, 261 00:15:20,709 --> 00:15:23,429 Speaker 1: but two states in the US wouldn't broadcast it, like 262 00:15:23,549 --> 00:15:25,349 Speaker 1: they wouldn't put it on television, and they couldn't have 263 00:15:25,429 --> 00:15:27,309 Speaker 1: them kiss because they were worried they would get so 264 00:15:27,349 --> 00:15:31,109 Speaker 1: many complaints. Like that is what the nineties were anyway. 265 00:15:31,469 --> 00:15:34,269 Speaker 1: Other things about Channeler who chooses a roommate because their 266 00:15:34,309 --> 00:15:37,069 Speaker 1: sister is a porn star. He dates this Janis character 267 00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:45,629 Speaker 1: who he openly hates. Oh god, I don't think Channela 268 00:15:45,749 --> 00:15:49,269 Speaker 1: likes men or women. No, I remember Janis. Can you 269 00:15:49,389 --> 00:15:51,189 Speaker 1: believe this happened? No? 270 00:15:51,669 --> 00:15:57,709 Speaker 2: No, goodbye, Janis kiss me. 271 00:16:00,229 --> 00:16:02,989 Speaker 1: I think that was a little bit of a funny storyline, 272 00:16:03,069 --> 00:16:07,669 Speaker 1: because sometimes people who can't say not with the Janis 273 00:16:07,709 --> 00:16:10,669 Speaker 1: for the rest you end up surrounded by peo that 274 00:16:10,869 --> 00:16:13,509 Speaker 1: they can't stand. I think he told Jana said he 275 00:16:13,709 --> 00:16:17,029 Speaker 1: he was moving to Yemen or something, and Janis was convinced. 276 00:16:17,069 --> 00:16:18,549 Speaker 1: And I was like, why would Jannis be convinced? And 277 00:16:18,549 --> 00:16:20,589 Speaker 1: I was like, because Janie is weird. But it's a 278 00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:23,229 Speaker 1: treatment of his father that has copped the most criticism 279 00:16:23,309 --> 00:16:26,149 Speaker 1: in a post friend's world. I saw this on TikTok recently. 280 00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:29,229 Speaker 1: Let's discuss the whole Chandler's dad is a drag queen thing. 281 00:16:30,389 --> 00:16:35,389 Speaker 1: So Chandler's dad is named Charles Bing and Charles has 282 00:16:35,429 --> 00:16:39,429 Speaker 1: a drag queen persona named Helena. But Charles is played 283 00:16:39,469 --> 00:16:42,469 Speaker 1: by Kathleen Turner, who is a woman. So a woman 284 00:16:42,549 --> 00:16:45,069 Speaker 1: plays a man pretending to be a woman. Do you see. 285 00:16:46,589 --> 00:16:49,389 Speaker 1: It's a lot of mental gymnastics. In the episode, the 286 00:16:49,469 --> 00:16:52,829 Speaker 1: one with Chandler and Monica's wedding, Part one, Chandler's mum 287 00:16:52,989 --> 00:16:56,109 Speaker 1: asks Charles, don't you have a little too much penis 288 00:16:56,149 --> 00:16:58,869 Speaker 1: to be wearing a dress like that? If you're wondering 289 00:16:58,909 --> 00:17:02,869 Speaker 1: how sensitively friends handled this story? Okay, Okay, The thing 290 00:17:03,069 --> 00:17:06,029 Speaker 1: is what's weird is that I repeat, the role was 291 00:17:06,029 --> 00:17:08,589 Speaker 1: played by Kathleen and not that this should matter, but 292 00:17:08,669 --> 00:17:11,869 Speaker 1: she literally didn't have a penis. That is very very good. 293 00:17:11,949 --> 00:17:14,509 Speaker 1: It just makes the line very confusing, And there's a 294 00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:17,949 Speaker 1: lot of criticism online being like, misgendered pronouns are wrong, 295 00:17:17,989 --> 00:17:21,949 Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's like whind back, wind back, Like yes, 296 00:17:22,429 --> 00:17:27,349 Speaker 1: but if you wind back, there's actually gene logic floor. Yeah, 297 00:17:27,869 --> 00:17:32,709 Speaker 1: Chandler is just ashamed of his dad, who everyone frequently misgenders. Again, 298 00:17:32,989 --> 00:17:34,949 Speaker 1: I don't know because it's Kathleen Turner, who's meant to 299 00:17:34,949 --> 00:17:36,589 Speaker 1: be a met I don't know, And are you a 300 00:17:36,669 --> 00:17:40,109 Speaker 1: drag queen? I think because adding different to identifying as Trian. 301 00:17:40,269 --> 00:17:43,029 Speaker 1: The problem is the writers are confused. Yeah, the riders 302 00:17:43,109 --> 00:17:45,709 Speaker 1: got a little bit muddied, and then the show got 303 00:17:45,789 --> 00:17:49,229 Speaker 1: made and they were like, hmm, Charles is just the 304 00:17:49,309 --> 00:17:52,149 Speaker 1: butt of a very elaborate joke. He performs a drag 305 00:17:52,229 --> 00:17:55,669 Speaker 1: show in Vegas called Viva la Gagas. If you're wondering 306 00:17:55,709 --> 00:17:59,069 Speaker 1: how three dimensional and fully formed this character is, I 307 00:17:59,149 --> 00:18:04,669 Speaker 1: will repeat Viva la Gegas. It's like Viva la Vegas. Yes, 308 00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:09,309 Speaker 1: but they've replaced with Turner. The actor has said her 309 00:18:09,349 --> 00:18:11,669 Speaker 1: character didn't age well and she wouldn't do it today. 310 00:18:11,749 --> 00:18:14,549 Speaker 1: Oh good good. On the other hand, Miller, who wrote 311 00:18:14,629 --> 00:18:16,429 Speaker 1: the book about Friends and the op ed I talked 312 00:18:16,429 --> 00:18:19,829 Speaker 1: about earlier, she said that Charles was pretty much the 313 00:18:19,949 --> 00:18:22,749 Speaker 1: only trans character who was not a murder victim on 314 00:18:22,869 --> 00:18:25,429 Speaker 1: Law and Order, and it's been argued to even try 315 00:18:25,469 --> 00:18:28,869 Speaker 1: to include an LGBT character was pretty transgressive in the 316 00:18:28,949 --> 00:18:33,029 Speaker 1: early two thousands. Even if they performed a show called Claire, 317 00:18:33,069 --> 00:18:38,829 Speaker 1: what's it called Viva Vegas? No Beava la Gega, Viva 318 00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:43,989 Speaker 1: la gega with sex stuff. You know how you look 319 00:18:44,069 --> 00:18:47,669 Speaker 1: back on these shows and they're weirdly sexual despite being 320 00:18:47,749 --> 00:18:50,949 Speaker 1: positioned as very like PG. Yeah, And the thing is, 321 00:18:51,389 --> 00:18:56,109 Speaker 1: we were kids, slush teenagers when it was airing, and 322 00:18:56,589 --> 00:19:00,709 Speaker 1: I remember, like everyone loved Friends, So I remember kind 323 00:19:00,749 --> 00:19:03,709 Speaker 1: of locking myself in NaN's granny flat, oh wow for 324 00:19:04,229 --> 00:19:06,949 Speaker 1: pretty much a whole school holidays and watching every episode 325 00:19:06,949 --> 00:19:09,309 Speaker 1: of Friends and just feeling so cool. But the accident 326 00:19:09,389 --> 00:19:11,429 Speaker 1: to which all of it went over my head. You 327 00:19:11,549 --> 00:19:14,429 Speaker 1: look back at the Simpsons like you were naughtier than 328 00:19:14,469 --> 00:19:16,429 Speaker 1: I thought, and this was it was a bit naughty. 329 00:19:16,909 --> 00:19:20,629 Speaker 1: There's one episode where Ross comes on to his cousin. 330 00:19:21,069 --> 00:19:24,349 Speaker 1: His cousin, Cassie, is played by Denise Richard. I was 331 00:19:24,429 --> 00:19:26,589 Speaker 1: gonna say, his cousin's really hot, and she comes to 332 00:19:26,669 --> 00:19:28,869 Speaker 1: stay with him and Monica during a visit to New York, 333 00:19:28,989 --> 00:19:31,229 Speaker 1: and Chandler keeps staring at her and making her feel 334 00:19:31,309 --> 00:19:35,509 Speaker 1: uncomfortable because channel's creepy. So Ross is like, it's okay, 335 00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:37,549 Speaker 1: I'm safe, and they end up sitting on the couch 336 00:19:37,629 --> 00:19:39,949 Speaker 1: watching a movie, at which point he leans over and 337 00:19:40,029 --> 00:19:43,149 Speaker 1: tries to kiss her. Then he can't think of anything 338 00:19:43,229 --> 00:19:46,589 Speaker 1: to say, so eventually exclaims, I haven't had sex in 339 00:19:46,629 --> 00:19:51,069 Speaker 1: a very long time. Oh, I know that book true, 340 00:19:51,269 --> 00:19:56,109 Speaker 1: get it? I want it, she wants it. I'm going in, 341 00:19:56,629 --> 00:20:00,869 Speaker 1: What the hell are you doing? Say something clever? 342 00:20:01,829 --> 00:20:03,909 Speaker 2: I haven't had sex in a very long time. 343 00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:08,469 Speaker 1: Can you imagine your cousin making a move? The level 344 00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:11,389 Speaker 1: of confusion, there was all this stuff in all the analysis. 345 00:20:11,429 --> 00:20:13,469 Speaker 1: It was like, well, it was legal in some states, 346 00:20:13,629 --> 00:20:17,429 Speaker 1: and I was like, it's definitely not fine. It's not fun. 347 00:20:17,509 --> 00:20:22,029 Speaker 1: There's fine, and it's not. It is not fine. This 348 00:20:22,229 --> 00:20:23,829 Speaker 1: is my theory that when you have to make two 349 00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:26,029 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six episodes of a show, things get weird. 350 00:20:26,069 --> 00:20:27,869 Speaker 1: You start doing some weird things, and there's only six 351 00:20:27,949 --> 00:20:29,069 Speaker 1: of them. So I was like, I don't know. He 352 00:20:29,269 --> 00:20:32,309 Speaker 1: bucks his cousin. I don't know. There's also a storyline 353 00:20:32,349 --> 00:20:36,069 Speaker 1: where Monica and Ross, who just remind you are siblings, 354 00:20:36,469 --> 00:20:40,109 Speaker 1: realize they hooked up. Okay, okay. This was also a 355 00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:42,869 Speaker 1: big theme in the nineties. Remember our seventh Heaven episode 356 00:20:43,269 --> 00:20:45,389 Speaker 1: and we talked about I think it's one of the 357 00:20:45,469 --> 00:20:49,909 Speaker 1: first scenes where it's Mary and Matt are practicing kissing 358 00:20:50,029 --> 00:20:53,029 Speaker 1: on each other, and the Reverend comes out and he's like, guys, 359 00:20:53,109 --> 00:20:58,789 Speaker 1: and they're like really embarrassed. Okay, close and oh this 360 00:20:58,909 --> 00:21:01,429 Speaker 1: is what that looks like. But it seems like the 361 00:21:01,509 --> 00:21:03,309 Speaker 1: Reverend has more of an issue with it being kissing 362 00:21:03,429 --> 00:21:07,269 Speaker 1: rather than the fact that these are fucking siblings. Yeah, 363 00:21:07,949 --> 00:21:10,229 Speaker 1: and so I do think you're right. I was the 364 00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:12,989 Speaker 1: theme in the ninety yes that it's like, okay, was 365 00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:17,469 Speaker 1: it trying to normalize No? No, No, I think it 366 00:21:17,629 --> 00:21:21,949 Speaker 1: was this only hot people can be on television slash hot, 367 00:21:22,109 --> 00:21:25,629 Speaker 1: charismatic people like Jessica Bill for example. But then it's 368 00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:27,669 Speaker 1: like whoa, whoa wa whoa, But what if Jessica Bil 369 00:21:27,789 --> 00:21:30,189 Speaker 1: was your sister, wouldn't you still want kiss her? And 370 00:21:30,349 --> 00:21:33,349 Speaker 1: so that's where it got confused. So that's what happened, 371 00:21:33,749 --> 00:21:38,229 Speaker 1: I think, because Monica's yeah, they hook up. Yeah. So 372 00:21:38,389 --> 00:21:41,909 Speaker 1: it's like, guys, they're straight, they look similar, they live 373 00:21:41,949 --> 00:21:45,709 Speaker 1: in the same city. They booked up. No, and apparently 374 00:21:45,789 --> 00:21:48,269 Speaker 1: they were drunk and Ross thought it was Rachel and 375 00:21:48,349 --> 00:21:51,389 Speaker 1: they both freak out, but they hooked up. Speaking of weird, 376 00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:54,789 Speaker 1: remember when Brad Pitt was a guest stuff. Yes, okay, 377 00:21:54,909 --> 00:21:57,909 Speaker 1: the question is this was he married to Jennifer. Yes, 378 00:21:58,069 --> 00:22:00,869 Speaker 1: he was, I thought so. He was in the episode 379 00:22:00,989 --> 00:22:03,189 Speaker 1: called the One with the Rumor, and he plays Will, 380 00:22:03,269 --> 00:22:05,429 Speaker 1: who's an old high school friend who founded that I 381 00:22:05,589 --> 00:22:09,069 Speaker 1: Hate Rachel club with Ross Right. The punchline to that 382 00:22:09,189 --> 00:22:13,469 Speaker 1: whole episode is that Will started a rumor that Rachel 383 00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:16,229 Speaker 1: was intersex and her parents had to flip a coin 384 00:22:16,309 --> 00:22:17,749 Speaker 1: to decide if she was a boy or a girl. 385 00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:24,389 Speaker 1: Oh my god, how specific. Yeah and odd. The Intersex 386 00:22:24,469 --> 00:22:27,469 Speaker 1: Society of North America was very offended, and years later 387 00:22:27,549 --> 00:22:31,069 Speaker 1: the co creator Marta Kaufman said she regrets the joke 388 00:22:31,069 --> 00:22:32,909 Speaker 1: and wouldn't do it again today. Yeah, she said that 389 00:22:32,949 --> 00:22:36,349 Speaker 1: a few times. I think maybe if you went through 390 00:22:36,589 --> 00:22:39,149 Speaker 1: every line of dialogue with a fine toothcomb, she'd be 391 00:22:39,229 --> 00:22:41,629 Speaker 1: saying that every day for the rest of her life. 392 00:22:42,109 --> 00:22:44,709 Speaker 1: What's interesting, and this is just plays into my theory 393 00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:47,869 Speaker 1: that Brad Pitt teflon if that was anyone else going back, 394 00:22:47,949 --> 00:22:50,949 Speaker 1: going why did you say yes yeah to that character? 395 00:22:51,069 --> 00:22:53,309 Speaker 1: But it was a different time. But also Brad Pitt 396 00:22:53,789 --> 00:22:55,869 Speaker 1: apparently can do not right and he's like, but just 397 00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:58,389 Speaker 1: look at my face, and everyone's like, true, I was distracted, 398 00:22:58,469 --> 00:23:00,349 Speaker 1: Like I didn't really remember what he did. I just 399 00:23:00,389 --> 00:23:04,269 Speaker 1: remember everyone clapping when he was on because she was 400 00:23:04,429 --> 00:23:11,589 Speaker 1: so beautiful. Glow you glow. It's being really discriminatory broadly. 401 00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:13,869 Speaker 1: There's a lot of womanizing. The men are always like, 402 00:23:13,949 --> 00:23:17,229 Speaker 1: oh yeah, look at that one. And there's one storyline 403 00:23:17,269 --> 00:23:19,229 Speaker 1: that I think actually just sums up the whole show. 404 00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:22,229 Speaker 1: If you want to know the vibe of friends without 405 00:23:22,309 --> 00:23:24,789 Speaker 1: having seen without having seen it, here's a plot point 406 00:23:25,149 --> 00:23:30,589 Speaker 1: that just touches on every theme. Joey and Chandler take 407 00:23:30,749 --> 00:23:35,229 Speaker 1: Ross's baby on the bus. Okay, because Ross has one 408 00:23:35,309 --> 00:23:38,189 Speaker 1: baby and then he later has another baby with Rachel. 409 00:23:38,949 --> 00:23:43,149 Speaker 1: Ross has a conniption because his baby Ben plays with barbies. 410 00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:45,869 Speaker 1: And there's another episode where his daughter Emma is getting 411 00:23:45,869 --> 00:23:48,349 Speaker 1: a nanny and it's a man and he has what 412 00:23:48,429 --> 00:23:50,709 Speaker 1: can only be described as aneurism, right, so this is 413 00:23:50,749 --> 00:23:52,629 Speaker 1: all he's like, what kind of man wants to look 414 00:23:52,629 --> 00:23:56,949 Speaker 1: after a chart? Exactly like? And this is why Anyway, 415 00:23:57,309 --> 00:24:00,829 Speaker 1: this episode, Joey and Chandler have Ross's baby on the bus, 416 00:24:01,549 --> 00:24:04,229 Speaker 1: but there are three pretty ladies on the bus, so 417 00:24:04,349 --> 00:24:08,389 Speaker 1: they get distracted and leave the baby on the bus. Ah. Men, 418 00:24:08,829 --> 00:24:11,469 Speaker 1: But here's a punchline, you know, how it's got to 419 00:24:11,509 --> 00:24:15,789 Speaker 1: do like the yeah, this is important. It's all for 420 00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:19,869 Speaker 1: nothing because the pretty ladies think that they're gay because 421 00:24:19,869 --> 00:24:24,709 Speaker 1: they're two men with a baby. And what's Chandeler's sphere 422 00:24:25,309 --> 00:24:31,389 Speaker 1: being perceived? Okay, oh wow, that's it. Classic, classic, classic. 423 00:24:31,509 --> 00:24:33,429 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you can imagine them in the writer's 424 00:24:33,509 --> 00:24:35,909 Speaker 1: room being like, okay, okay, Chandeler storyline, but how do 425 00:24:36,029 --> 00:24:39,269 Speaker 1: we It's like maybe they've got each character and like 426 00:24:39,709 --> 00:24:42,469 Speaker 1: their fatal flaw and their biggest fear, and for him 427 00:24:42,509 --> 00:24:46,069 Speaker 1: it is being ever perceived as gay? Yea, yeah, yeah, 428 00:24:46,429 --> 00:24:49,869 Speaker 1: greatest fear deleted. And then Monica's greatest fear is going 429 00:24:49,949 --> 00:24:52,069 Speaker 1: back to fat Monica. Yeah, because everyone calls her fat 430 00:24:52,109 --> 00:24:56,109 Speaker 1: Monica and like reminds her deleted episode. There was an 431 00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:58,749 Speaker 1: episode set to air in October two thousand and one, 432 00:24:59,309 --> 00:25:02,989 Speaker 1: was all filmed ready to go. Ooh interesting timing. And 433 00:25:03,069 --> 00:25:05,429 Speaker 1: then in September two thousand and one, a few weeks 434 00:25:05,469 --> 00:25:10,069 Speaker 1: before New York experienced the deadliest terrorist attack in US history. 435 00:25:10,829 --> 00:25:13,709 Speaker 1: And let me explain to you the episode they had 436 00:25:13,869 --> 00:25:16,949 Speaker 1: ready to go. I have never heard this story. Monica 437 00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:20,829 Speaker 1: and Chandler are newly married. He's married, so can't be gay. Yeah, 438 00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:23,549 Speaker 1: and they're checking in at the airport, Claire, you're in 439 00:25:23,629 --> 00:25:26,869 Speaker 1: a writer's room. Chandler needs a funny little one liner. 440 00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:30,109 Speaker 1: He needs a complication at the airport. What does Chandler say, 441 00:25:30,389 --> 00:25:33,029 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no no no. Does he 442 00:25:33,469 --> 00:25:35,829 Speaker 1: do a terrorist? He makes a joke about bombs on 443 00:25:36,389 --> 00:25:38,509 Speaker 1: in front of a sign that says no joking about 444 00:25:38,669 --> 00:25:42,829 Speaker 1: bombs or hijacking. Hey, look at that federal lot prohibits 445 00:25:42,829 --> 00:25:45,229 Speaker 1: any joking regarding aircraft, hijacking or bombing. 446 00:25:45,549 --> 00:25:47,149 Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about me, ma'am. I take 447 00:25:47,229 --> 00:25:50,909 Speaker 2: my bombs very seriously. Sir, you want to come with us? 448 00:25:51,149 --> 00:25:56,069 Speaker 1: No pay. They end up being interrogated by security, and 449 00:25:56,309 --> 00:25:59,709 Speaker 1: just after they leave, Monica accidentally screamed something about blowing 450 00:25:59,789 --> 00:26:04,069 Speaker 1: something up. Oh wow, Zill probably wouldn't have worked. That's 451 00:26:04,429 --> 00:26:09,069 Speaker 1: very unfortunate. Like that's bad timing. Yeah, yeah it is, 452 00:26:09,389 --> 00:26:11,029 Speaker 1: But you got it. I think you know the good 453 00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:16,109 Speaker 1: thing about pumping out so many episodes and so many empty, 454 00:26:16,429 --> 00:26:18,709 Speaker 1: hollow jokes is that I guess you don't really miss it. 455 00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:21,509 Speaker 1: If one episode gets scrapped, Well, they didn't scrap it, 456 00:26:21,589 --> 00:26:24,629 Speaker 1: they changed it. They like took this bit out they 457 00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:27,789 Speaker 1: dine no, no, no, they took this out and they 458 00:26:27,829 --> 00:26:30,829 Speaker 1: were probably like, oh, Chandlin needs a funny one liner. 459 00:26:31,229 --> 00:26:33,789 Speaker 1: And as he walks through, they find that he's got 460 00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:35,869 Speaker 1: like perfume in his bag and he shouts like, I'm 461 00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:38,789 Speaker 1: not good. That's probably what they did. Oh okay, because 462 00:26:38,869 --> 00:26:41,269 Speaker 1: yes's the same. Yeah, they're like ah ah, quick scram 463 00:26:41,789 --> 00:26:43,629 Speaker 1: what's his biggest fit and being the saved as gay. 464 00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:57,509 Speaker 1: A note on the takedown of Friends. So last week 465 00:26:57,589 --> 00:27:01,629 Speaker 1: Friends turned thirty. Every time there's an anniversary, people reappraise 466 00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:04,589 Speaker 1: the show. They reflect on how it's dated, which is fine, 467 00:27:05,349 --> 00:27:08,789 Speaker 1: but some of the criticism is weird. I read this 468 00:27:08,949 --> 00:27:11,629 Speaker 1: whole article about out how Friends is the most problematic 469 00:27:11,629 --> 00:27:14,069 Speaker 1: show ever and I was like, fine, yes, go on, 470 00:27:14,229 --> 00:27:16,229 Speaker 1: give me some evidence. Yes, And it's like I'm willing 471 00:27:16,309 --> 00:27:20,149 Speaker 1: to be convinced. Oh, absolutely, But the writer is annoyed. 472 00:27:20,229 --> 00:27:22,709 Speaker 1: They're always at the coffee house because as someone in 473 00:27:22,829 --> 00:27:25,029 Speaker 1: her twenties, she doesn't really have time to hang out 474 00:27:25,069 --> 00:27:27,429 Speaker 1: with her friends that much. And she's like, oh, are 475 00:27:27,469 --> 00:27:30,549 Speaker 1: they really that extroverted? And it's like, you don't have 476 00:27:30,669 --> 00:27:33,149 Speaker 1: to go to Central Perk, No, you don't have to 477 00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:35,709 Speaker 1: go to a coffee house. They're allowed to go to 478 00:27:35,749 --> 00:27:38,909 Speaker 1: a coffee house. Also, it's a TV show, which is 479 00:27:38,989 --> 00:27:42,749 Speaker 1: something actually really important to remind people when you're talking 480 00:27:42,749 --> 00:27:45,469 Speaker 1: about movies and TV shows. Is and this is quite profound. 481 00:27:45,589 --> 00:27:49,069 Speaker 1: It's not real. It's not real. It's not not a documentary. No, 482 00:27:49,349 --> 00:27:52,029 Speaker 1: you don't have to go to coffee. Yeah, you don't. 483 00:27:52,069 --> 00:27:53,749 Speaker 1: You don't have to go to the cafe with your 484 00:27:53,789 --> 00:27:56,309 Speaker 1: six friends. If you only have say five friends, that's okay, 485 00:27:56,509 --> 00:27:59,869 Speaker 1: that's fine. Maybe you only have two friends, okay, maybe 486 00:27:59,949 --> 00:28:02,309 Speaker 1: you have any friends. This isn't a statement on you 487 00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:07,149 Speaker 1: and your friendship group. Also, going on a break has 488 00:28:07,189 --> 00:28:11,549 Speaker 1: apparently been misconstrued thanks to Friends, because in Friends, Ross 489 00:28:11,629 --> 00:28:14,549 Speaker 1: cheated on Rachel while on a break, and this person 490 00:28:14,589 --> 00:28:18,189 Speaker 1: writing this article, she's losing it. She's saying, people today 491 00:28:18,309 --> 00:28:19,869 Speaker 1: think that a break means you can get back with 492 00:28:19,989 --> 00:28:23,109 Speaker 1: someone with our consequences, and I have here in my notes, honey, 493 00:28:23,149 --> 00:28:27,069 Speaker 1: who hurt you? What happened with you and a break? 494 00:28:27,469 --> 00:28:31,869 Speaker 1: She's really upset that it normalized a break in a 495 00:28:31,949 --> 00:28:35,509 Speaker 1: relationship where Ross could go and cheat and have no conselquation. 496 00:28:35,549 --> 00:28:37,989 Speaker 1: But like, wasn't the point of that storyline all I 497 00:28:38,109 --> 00:28:41,589 Speaker 1: remember is ross. The only word that comes to mind 498 00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:45,389 Speaker 1: is shrieking. We were on a break. We were on 499 00:28:45,589 --> 00:28:49,229 Speaker 1: a break. We were on the break. Yeah, it wasn't 500 00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:51,509 Speaker 1: it that he was actually being held accountable for what 501 00:28:51,589 --> 00:28:53,669 Speaker 1: he did? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, And this is an issue 502 00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:56,549 Speaker 1: I have. I'll come to it. The writer goes on, 503 00:28:56,949 --> 00:28:59,189 Speaker 1: it's like getting a rebound while being able to get 504 00:28:59,269 --> 00:29:01,269 Speaker 1: back with that person. That is not how the real 505 00:29:01,349 --> 00:29:03,789 Speaker 1: world works. Yet people continue to do this because it's 506 00:29:03,789 --> 00:29:07,549 Speaker 1: a normal thing. As I said today, is dancing to okay, okay, 507 00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:09,709 Speaker 1: we're not in a good place. So someone told you 508 00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:11,869 Speaker 1: that you're on a break and they cheat it, and 509 00:29:11,949 --> 00:29:14,749 Speaker 1: now that has a baby and they've been married for 510 00:29:14,749 --> 00:29:16,949 Speaker 1: a long time, and you're upset and friends triggered you, 511 00:29:17,429 --> 00:29:18,869 Speaker 1: and no one will go get a coffee with you, 512 00:29:19,349 --> 00:29:22,389 Speaker 1: not the central pair. The other thing is I get it, 513 00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:25,149 Speaker 1: and I do this as well. You look at a 514 00:29:25,189 --> 00:29:27,269 Speaker 1: TV show and you poke holes in all these things 515 00:29:27,309 --> 00:29:30,429 Speaker 1: that aren't realistic, and it's like, Jesse, we've written a 516 00:29:30,469 --> 00:29:33,149 Speaker 1: couple of episodes of television. There are certain things that 517 00:29:33,229 --> 00:29:36,829 Speaker 1: need to happen because, as aforementioned, it's a TV show, 518 00:29:37,109 --> 00:29:40,229 Speaker 1: not real life, and so The idea of the coffee 519 00:29:40,269 --> 00:29:44,829 Speaker 1: shop is it is simply a cheap set that we 520 00:29:44,909 --> 00:29:47,629 Speaker 1: can have the characters appear in over and over and 521 00:29:47,709 --> 00:29:50,469 Speaker 1: over again. So it's not saying that is how you 522 00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:53,909 Speaker 1: should live your own life. It is simply part of 523 00:29:54,029 --> 00:30:00,189 Speaker 1: this TV show, which I will reiterate. Another criticism is 524 00:30:00,229 --> 00:30:03,189 Speaker 1: that Joey popularized the term friend zone that was written 525 00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:05,789 Speaker 1: into an episode of Friends waited too long to make 526 00:30:05,869 --> 00:30:11,189 Speaker 1: you move and now you're in the friend zone. No, no, no, 527 00:30:11,469 --> 00:30:14,309 Speaker 1: I'm not in the zone. Russ. You're mayor of the zone. 528 00:30:14,749 --> 00:30:16,789 Speaker 1: How is that a problem? And it's like, yeah, okay, 529 00:30:16,869 --> 00:30:19,869 Speaker 1: he popularized the term, but that is not where you 530 00:30:19,949 --> 00:30:24,989 Speaker 1: don't have a boyfriend. Every time she went on these 531 00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:27,309 Speaker 1: tangents in this article, I just kept thinking, are we 532 00:30:27,469 --> 00:30:32,429 Speaker 1: still talking about friends? It seems as though you grabbed 533 00:30:32,429 --> 00:30:34,869 Speaker 1: a point from Friends and then got quite upset about 534 00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:38,749 Speaker 1: something specific to her. You've become carried away. A lot 535 00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:41,389 Speaker 1: of criticism will be like it was rude when Ross 536 00:30:41,509 --> 00:30:44,989 Speaker 1: said this, or Ross could be possessive, and it's like 537 00:30:45,309 --> 00:30:48,749 Speaker 1: that's just his character. Yeah, it's his character, and it's 538 00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:51,069 Speaker 1: also part of the plot, Like characters are meant to 539 00:30:51,149 --> 00:30:54,509 Speaker 1: be imperfect and her flaws. That's what drives story. Yeah. 540 00:30:54,589 --> 00:30:57,509 Speaker 1: People are like, Joey's quite dumb, and I'm like, yeah, 541 00:30:57,949 --> 00:31:02,069 Speaker 1: that's characteris and that's also the joke. And if characters 542 00:31:02,509 --> 00:31:10,789 Speaker 1: were fully functioning, thriving, quite perfect human beings, they would 543 00:31:10,829 --> 00:31:13,989 Speaker 1: be so boring. I just kept thinking every time I 544 00:31:14,069 --> 00:31:16,029 Speaker 1: read these, and they just went more and more granular. 545 00:31:16,109 --> 00:31:19,389 Speaker 1: I kept thinking, you've been watching too much Friends, You've 546 00:31:19,429 --> 00:31:22,629 Speaker 1: gone back, you've watched it from the start, And I mean, 547 00:31:22,709 --> 00:31:24,549 Speaker 1: I know we probably said it on this show before, 548 00:31:24,709 --> 00:31:27,949 Speaker 1: but a great term for this is an achronism, and 549 00:31:28,029 --> 00:31:31,109 Speaker 1: it's the idea that we are looking at the past 550 00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:34,069 Speaker 1: from the perspective of the present. We are imposing the 551 00:31:34,189 --> 00:31:36,149 Speaker 1: values of the present on the past, which is something 552 00:31:36,189 --> 00:31:38,829 Speaker 1: the Internet does all the time, and we often do 553 00:31:38,989 --> 00:31:41,189 Speaker 1: hear in the cancel courtroom, but at least we are 554 00:31:41,229 --> 00:31:46,949 Speaker 1: self aware. Okay, the laugh track or Claire, have you 555 00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:51,189 Speaker 1: watched those clips of Friends where they remove the laugh track? Yes? 556 00:31:51,789 --> 00:31:54,949 Speaker 1: I believe I have, and it really does point out 557 00:31:55,309 --> 00:31:57,869 Speaker 1: how flat a lot of the dialogue is. Okay, I 558 00:31:58,029 --> 00:32:01,229 Speaker 1: am gonna play you some ross. Okay, who has become 559 00:32:01,269 --> 00:32:05,669 Speaker 1: my hyper fixation? Just a quick thing? When I watched 560 00:32:05,789 --> 00:32:11,189 Speaker 1: Friends h potentially until right now, I think I thought 561 00:32:11,229 --> 00:32:14,029 Speaker 1: there was a studio audience laughing. I think there was, 562 00:32:14,709 --> 00:32:17,029 Speaker 1: so it wasn't a laugh track. Is a laugh track 563 00:32:17,069 --> 00:32:19,349 Speaker 1: the same as a studio audience? Goodness? I don't know. 564 00:32:19,589 --> 00:32:21,309 Speaker 1: I thought that it was in front of a studio 565 00:32:21,709 --> 00:32:24,669 Speaker 1: because it would be nice if we had a studio audience. 566 00:32:24,829 --> 00:32:26,989 Speaker 1: I know, Yes, it was filmed in front of a 567 00:32:27,149 --> 00:32:30,229 Speaker 1: real audience. Okay, so does that count as a laugh track? No, 568 00:32:30,469 --> 00:32:32,829 Speaker 1: I guess not. But definitely there was someone standing at 569 00:32:32,829 --> 00:32:34,629 Speaker 1: the front of the sign that said laugh. If you've 570 00:32:34,669 --> 00:32:37,909 Speaker 1: ever gone and watched a television show be recorded, that's 571 00:32:37,989 --> 00:32:40,989 Speaker 1: what they do. They really make you laugh, like they 572 00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:45,509 Speaker 1: tell you into life ons and it's embarrassing. Since your son, yeah, 573 00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:49,709 Speaker 1: his name is Riss Well nothing has just said it's 574 00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:55,309 Speaker 1: close to Ryan, does he does? Little rasslake fanousaurus. 575 00:32:54,669 --> 00:32:58,309 Speaker 2: Blaney chairs, Yeah, Olie talks about why how would he 576 00:32:59,069 --> 00:33:01,829 Speaker 2: like to come with me to the Museum of Natural 577 00:33:02,069 --> 00:33:04,109 Speaker 2: History after everyone else has left? 578 00:33:04,269 --> 00:33:07,909 Speaker 1: Just the two of us. He could touch anything he wants. 579 00:33:09,429 --> 00:33:11,189 Speaker 1: I just heard how you must have heard it, and 580 00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:15,309 Speaker 1: that's not good. Okay, when you remove the laughter, it 581 00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:20,429 Speaker 1: ross is a predator. Okay, it's simply sinister. It's really sinister, 582 00:33:20,589 --> 00:33:23,469 Speaker 1: and it made me realize that I needed the laughing 583 00:33:23,949 --> 00:33:28,429 Speaker 1: because otherwise confused about genre, and especially if it had 584 00:33:28,469 --> 00:33:33,829 Speaker 1: been called insomniac, that very cafe that is a man 585 00:33:33,869 --> 00:33:38,789 Speaker 1: who's not been sleeping. I think they should remake Friends 586 00:33:39,629 --> 00:33:43,309 Speaker 1: as Insomnia Cafe, and it is simply Friends without the laugh. 587 00:33:43,469 --> 00:33:46,149 Speaker 1: So there's another trend on YouTube that I went really 588 00:33:46,189 --> 00:33:49,989 Speaker 1: deep in, which is Friends laugh track removed, but over 589 00:33:50,069 --> 00:33:54,789 Speaker 1: the top they've just got screaming. So every time there's 590 00:33:54,869 --> 00:34:01,069 Speaker 1: a joke, ah, and it's it's very insomnia Cafe. It's 591 00:34:01,149 --> 00:34:06,189 Speaker 1: a fabulous, quite scary. Before we do charlegan sentences, can 592 00:34:06,229 --> 00:34:09,109 Speaker 1: we just have a short moment to reminisce on like 593 00:34:09,629 --> 00:34:13,629 Speaker 1: our favorite moments from Friends. Okay, okay, So one storyline 594 00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:18,469 Speaker 1: I really liked was when Monica and Chandler went on 595 00:34:18,549 --> 00:34:21,509 Speaker 1: a holiday and they met a couple that became their friends. 596 00:34:21,789 --> 00:34:24,949 Speaker 1: I think that that holiday. The thing that started it 597 00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:28,949 Speaker 1: was the interrogation with the bomb joke. I think that's okay, 598 00:34:29,069 --> 00:34:31,789 Speaker 1: and her hair went really frizzy in the humidity, and 599 00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:37,109 Speaker 1: that's relatable a representation for women who goes frizzy in heat, 600 00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:39,869 Speaker 1: and they made these couple friends, and when they came back, 601 00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:41,909 Speaker 1: they were really smug about their couple friends, and all 602 00:34:41,949 --> 00:34:44,789 Speaker 1: the other friends were stupid friends. And then they got 603 00:34:44,829 --> 00:34:47,549 Speaker 1: ghosted by the couple friends. I forgot about that. I 604 00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:50,829 Speaker 1: really enjoyed that because I think what it really pointed 605 00:34:50,909 --> 00:34:53,389 Speaker 1: to was the fact that when you have a friend 606 00:34:53,429 --> 00:34:56,549 Speaker 1: group and you make new friends, you are mocked. Yeah, 607 00:34:56,669 --> 00:34:59,109 Speaker 1: well said, well said I think. And there is a 608 00:34:59,149 --> 00:35:01,149 Speaker 1: smugness to having a couple friends. It makes you feel 609 00:35:01,149 --> 00:35:03,549 Speaker 1: like a grown up. Yeah. And when you've gone on 610 00:35:03,629 --> 00:35:06,309 Speaker 1: holiday and you do think it's more than it is, yeah, 611 00:35:06,429 --> 00:35:09,389 Speaker 1: and you're like, my life has changed from the relationships 612 00:35:09,389 --> 00:35:11,029 Speaker 1: I've built. And you get home and you go, we 613 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:13,429 Speaker 1: don't have that much in common. No, In fact, they 614 00:35:13,469 --> 00:35:17,149 Speaker 1: live elsewhere. Yeah. Another criticism that a lot of people 615 00:35:17,389 --> 00:35:20,789 Speaker 1: offered when it came to Friends was that they had housing, 616 00:35:22,229 --> 00:35:24,829 Speaker 1: Like they had an apartment, which is apparently very privileged, 617 00:35:25,629 --> 00:35:30,829 Speaker 1: and like, I do understand that housing is expensive, but 618 00:35:31,669 --> 00:35:36,549 Speaker 1: friends without a room is like a very different it's 619 00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:40,549 Speaker 1: a very very insomnia cafe. It's a very different kind 620 00:35:40,589 --> 00:35:43,429 Speaker 1: of show. Yeah, they didn't each have their own apartment. No, 621 00:35:43,629 --> 00:35:47,029 Speaker 1: they were sharing. Yeah, sometimes there were other roommates. Some 622 00:35:47,229 --> 00:35:49,709 Speaker 1: of them were employed some of the time. Yeah, Yeah, 623 00:35:49,909 --> 00:35:52,789 Speaker 1: there was a little bit of dramatic logic to that. 624 00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:56,349 Speaker 1: And again it was the nineties, not cost of living 625 00:35:57,309 --> 00:36:00,789 Speaker 1: now exactly. I think that if you're getting upset because 626 00:36:00,829 --> 00:36:03,509 Speaker 1: Monica did own an apartment, then again, what we've probably 627 00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:06,389 Speaker 1: got to do is take a break. Want to take 628 00:36:06,429 --> 00:36:09,789 Speaker 1: a break, turn off Friends? Yea right to your local member, 629 00:36:10,789 --> 00:36:15,789 Speaker 1: because yeah, housing is too expensive, but that's a now issue. 630 00:36:15,909 --> 00:36:19,869 Speaker 1: That's a now issue. Yeah, time for charges and sentences. 631 00:36:23,909 --> 00:36:27,549 Speaker 1: My charge is Ross makes me feel weird, is the 632 00:36:27,629 --> 00:36:32,069 Speaker 1: first thing I think a lot, maybe too much about 633 00:36:32,509 --> 00:36:35,749 Speaker 1: when he got a spray twn Yeah, same same. I 634 00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:38,589 Speaker 1: don't trust him. I think he's very possessive, he's very jealous, 635 00:36:38,669 --> 00:36:42,549 Speaker 1: and he's quite controlling. But on the other things, as 636 00:36:42,629 --> 00:36:45,309 Speaker 1: we've acknowledged, Friends is very much a product of its time, 637 00:36:46,029 --> 00:36:50,069 Speaker 1: weirdly obsessed with sexuality, fat Monka not ideal, and Ross 638 00:36:50,229 --> 00:36:53,749 Speaker 1: should never have tried to kiss his cousin. Absolutely not. 639 00:36:53,989 --> 00:36:56,989 Speaker 1: If it were made today, it'll be done differently. My 640 00:36:57,389 --> 00:37:02,429 Speaker 1: charge concerns the real estate that these six patrons have 641 00:37:02,549 --> 00:37:07,029 Speaker 1: over Central perk. Oh wow, great point they are and 642 00:37:07,189 --> 00:37:11,629 Speaker 1: this is this is a legal word hogging the Yes, 643 00:37:11,709 --> 00:37:15,469 Speaker 1: they are pests. They never order food. They all they 644 00:37:15,549 --> 00:37:18,029 Speaker 1: get is that bloody what do they call it in America? 645 00:37:18,189 --> 00:37:21,309 Speaker 1: Like the drink coffee and it's worth jackshit, it's like 646 00:37:21,389 --> 00:37:26,069 Speaker 1: a dollar and it's free refills. Exactly. I can't even 647 00:37:26,109 --> 00:37:28,749 Speaker 1: go to a cafe anymore. Well, if we're applying the 648 00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:31,149 Speaker 1: values of the present to the past, well, I go 649 00:37:31,229 --> 00:37:33,149 Speaker 1: into a cafe, I have to order. Oh they tell 650 00:37:33,189 --> 00:37:35,349 Speaker 1: me to leave with my laptop. Yeah, they don't. And 651 00:37:35,629 --> 00:37:38,109 Speaker 1: you get a little bit judged. You do. You can't 652 00:37:38,189 --> 00:37:40,589 Speaker 1: just sit there on the same they're not your couches. 653 00:37:40,709 --> 00:37:43,629 Speaker 1: And often they're causing a rackus. They are causing a rackus. 654 00:37:43,669 --> 00:37:46,469 Speaker 1: They're talking about Chandler is having a gay panic in 655 00:37:46,469 --> 00:37:49,309 Speaker 1: a public place. Yes, And patrons are just trying to 656 00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:51,469 Speaker 1: go about their business and they're like, why is he 657 00:37:51,629 --> 00:37:57,909 Speaker 1: shrieking about people? Thinking he's gag sentence just on Central Perk. Actually, 658 00:37:58,029 --> 00:38:00,149 Speaker 1: I was thinking this is a cafe on Central Park, 659 00:38:00,829 --> 00:38:03,149 Speaker 1: Like I'd probably be going to be busy, busy, and 660 00:38:03,189 --> 00:38:07,109 Speaker 1: there's Two've gotta order food. Yeah, sentence. The tension of 661 00:38:07,549 --> 00:38:12,509 Speaker 1: This show should have always been between these six friends 662 00:38:12,789 --> 00:38:17,349 Speaker 1: and Gumper. Ah yeah, Gumpher. I remember Gumph. Now he's 663 00:38:17,389 --> 00:38:19,909 Speaker 1: not the owner, but he is a I can't even 664 00:38:19,909 --> 00:38:23,909 Speaker 1: call him a barrista. Make it Martin. What do you 665 00:38:23,989 --> 00:38:27,629 Speaker 1: call someone who paused like a waist in coffee? Yeah? Yeah, 666 00:38:28,509 --> 00:38:31,749 Speaker 1: they needed to come get a takeaway coffee and go 667 00:38:31,869 --> 00:38:35,309 Speaker 1: about your day. Okay, because what you're doing is you're 668 00:38:35,949 --> 00:38:39,309 Speaker 1: taking up space, you're blocking it for other people, and 669 00:38:39,389 --> 00:38:42,829 Speaker 1: you're affecting the income of what could be a very 670 00:38:42,909 --> 00:38:48,029 Speaker 1: flourishing Central Perk cafe. Yeah yeah, Actually that cafe would 671 00:38:48,789 --> 00:38:51,509 Speaker 1: have gone broke from the loitering. So I think it 672 00:38:51,549 --> 00:38:56,029 Speaker 1: should have been Gumph shoeing the six friends literally, like 673 00:38:56,509 --> 00:38:59,269 Speaker 1: get out, like standing there with a sign up, going, 674 00:38:59,389 --> 00:39:02,589 Speaker 1: you've overstayed, You're welcome, get a takeaway if you're going 675 00:39:02,669 --> 00:39:05,149 Speaker 1: to get anything. But you can't be sitting here taking 676 00:39:05,229 --> 00:39:09,669 Speaker 1: up all this space without buying food, or stand outside. 677 00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:13,189 Speaker 1: Go for a bloody war, go for a walk through 678 00:39:13,229 --> 00:39:16,909 Speaker 1: Central Park. It's right, sing yeah, go back to one 679 00:39:16,949 --> 00:39:18,949 Speaker 1: of your homes. There's plenty of it. Here's an idea. 680 00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:22,149 Speaker 1: Buy a coffee machine. It's an instant coffee mate. I 681 00:39:22,269 --> 00:39:26,189 Speaker 1: also think there are lines of tension and conflict that 682 00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:29,029 Speaker 1: we need to pick up oh, that were unresolved, that 683 00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:31,909 Speaker 1: were unresolved. For example, Ross is a shit dad to Ben. 684 00:39:33,269 --> 00:39:37,189 Speaker 1: I don't know where Ben went, but he was never 685 00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:41,189 Speaker 1: introduced to Emma. Ross is second born, which makes me 686 00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:44,749 Speaker 1: think if there was like a redo, what I would 687 00:39:44,789 --> 00:39:49,229 Speaker 1: want is cold open Ben sitting in a therapist's office 688 00:39:49,669 --> 00:39:51,949 Speaker 1: close up of his face. Ben talked to me, well, 689 00:39:51,989 --> 00:39:54,869 Speaker 1: i'll tell you what. Ben's got some daddy issues. Yeah, yeah, 690 00:39:54,989 --> 00:39:58,389 Speaker 1: Ben's pissed and he starts describing Ross and the psychologist 691 00:39:58,549 --> 00:40:01,189 Speaker 1: is like, is your dad in prison? And He's like, no, 692 00:40:01,789 --> 00:40:03,669 Speaker 1: but he should be. What else do you think that 693 00:40:03,749 --> 00:40:06,549 Speaker 1: it could pick up on? Well, just because that actor 694 00:40:06,989 --> 00:40:10,349 Speaker 1: was Cole Sprouse, it was one of the Sprouse's tenctually, 695 00:40:10,429 --> 00:40:13,069 Speaker 1: both those little twins who then went on to be 696 00:40:13,189 --> 00:40:16,709 Speaker 1: in other shows the Big Daddy correct, oh my god, 697 00:40:17,149 --> 00:40:20,829 Speaker 1: same little kids. And it does yeah, and I'm thinking, 698 00:40:21,029 --> 00:40:24,829 Speaker 1: like potentially break the forth wall, like some meta stuff 699 00:40:26,109 --> 00:40:30,949 Speaker 1: maybe like the kid is Cole Sprouse, Like he has 700 00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:36,229 Speaker 1: become famous and he was a twin, which just whoa 701 00:40:37,549 --> 00:40:39,189 Speaker 1: you know? Like Ross is like I didn't know you 702 00:40:39,229 --> 00:40:40,829 Speaker 1: guys were twins. I thought I had one kid. I 703 00:40:40,909 --> 00:40:43,389 Speaker 1: wonder if Little Emma was also twin. But in terms 704 00:40:43,469 --> 00:40:48,349 Speaker 1: of where it went for everyone, I think Chandler and 705 00:40:48,429 --> 00:40:53,029 Speaker 1: Monica didn't last. No. I think they went on to 706 00:40:53,669 --> 00:40:57,269 Speaker 1: have midlife crises that just set them in different directions. 707 00:40:57,509 --> 00:41:00,909 Speaker 1: I think Chandler needed to do some soul searching. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 708 00:41:00,909 --> 00:41:05,149 Speaker 1: I completely agree, and Monica needed therapy about the whole family. 709 00:41:05,189 --> 00:41:08,829 Speaker 1: The shaming. The shaming Ross and Rachel obviously didn't last 710 00:41:08,909 --> 00:41:11,349 Speaker 1: because that was just toxics and Ross needs to just 711 00:41:11,429 --> 00:41:14,549 Speaker 1: be on his own forever. I think things for fine 712 00:41:14,589 --> 00:41:17,869 Speaker 1: for Joey. Yeah. How about Phoebe. Oh, I think Phoebe 713 00:41:18,029 --> 00:41:20,349 Speaker 1: was thriving. I think she's had a happy, go lucky 714 00:41:20,749 --> 00:41:23,629 Speaker 1: approach to life. She was a twin in the show, 715 00:41:23,749 --> 00:41:28,669 Speaker 1: remember Oh Forgot? Yeah yeah, did I twin die? Yeah? 716 00:41:28,709 --> 00:41:31,309 Speaker 1: She had quite a sad backstory. Yeah, not a lot 717 00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:33,909 Speaker 1: of depth to Phoebe. No, I think it would be 718 00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:39,589 Speaker 1: very therapised and very into trauma. Yeah. Things that were 719 00:41:39,629 --> 00:41:43,309 Speaker 1: punchlines would now be traumas. Claire, what's your charge? So 720 00:41:43,549 --> 00:41:46,349 Speaker 1: I do have a bit of an issue with us 721 00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:51,349 Speaker 1: going back looking at something from twenty years ago and 722 00:41:51,549 --> 00:41:54,069 Speaker 1: just tearing it apart because of what we know now. 723 00:41:55,189 --> 00:42:01,269 Speaker 1: It makes it very difficult to make art if you 724 00:42:01,349 --> 00:42:05,069 Speaker 1: are thinking, oh, well, it has to stand for all 725 00:42:05,189 --> 00:42:09,469 Speaker 1: of time and there can't be any contextual clues here 726 00:42:09,789 --> 00:42:14,389 Speaker 1: because people will tear it apart. Yeah, okay. With that said, 727 00:42:14,469 --> 00:42:17,269 Speaker 1: I also think it's important to look at something like 728 00:42:17,429 --> 00:42:22,829 Speaker 1: friends and acknowledge it almost as a historical artifact. Yes, 729 00:42:23,389 --> 00:42:26,789 Speaker 1: let's acknowledge it like one of Ross's fossils. Yes, very 730 00:42:26,989 --> 00:42:28,949 Speaker 1: that it can be a sign of how far we 731 00:42:29,069 --> 00:42:33,189 Speaker 1: have come as a culture. Yes, maybe sometimes how far 732 00:42:33,269 --> 00:42:37,109 Speaker 1: we have not come. I've always thought I remember saying 733 00:42:37,149 --> 00:42:39,629 Speaker 1: this in ancient history and it was so so clever. 734 00:42:39,869 --> 00:42:42,549 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so you know how with fossils, 735 00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:48,029 Speaker 1: for example, we dig up somewhere and you find fossils. 736 00:42:48,469 --> 00:42:55,829 Speaker 1: And I was like, newsplash, why aren't we burying shit? Yeah? 737 00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:59,309 Speaker 1: So like, why aren't I handwriting some notes about the 738 00:42:59,349 --> 00:43:01,229 Speaker 1: world right now and burying them? And I said that 739 00:43:01,349 --> 00:43:04,149 Speaker 1: in class and the teacher she turned to the class 740 00:43:04,189 --> 00:43:06,309 Speaker 1: she said, does anyone have a response for clerk? I 741 00:43:06,349 --> 00:43:09,789 Speaker 1: think she was thinking, this girl has issues and they're 742 00:43:09,869 --> 00:43:11,269 Speaker 1: very A girl put her hand up and said we 743 00:43:11,309 --> 00:43:13,429 Speaker 1: don't need to do that. We have the Internet, right, 744 00:43:13,469 --> 00:43:16,189 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, the Internet can't be buried, 745 00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:19,229 Speaker 1: and what if it breaks? It's very very because what 746 00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:21,109 Speaker 1: if aliens come? So what you think we need a 747 00:43:21,149 --> 00:43:24,309 Speaker 1: time capsule? Yeah? So what we need are these historical 748 00:43:24,389 --> 00:43:28,509 Speaker 1: artifacts that we physically bury in the ground, Yes, to 749 00:43:28,629 --> 00:43:31,389 Speaker 1: be after the next Ice age when people look back 750 00:43:31,469 --> 00:43:33,229 Speaker 1: and they try and understand what humans where. You want 751 00:43:33,269 --> 00:43:36,789 Speaker 1: the HS versions BHS. But then obviously you also need 752 00:43:36,829 --> 00:43:39,389 Speaker 1: to tape machine obviously. Yeah, and a television because the 753 00:43:39,429 --> 00:43:40,829 Speaker 1: Internet is just going to be white. It's going to 754 00:43:40,829 --> 00:43:44,589 Speaker 1: be turned off and all of this analysis, Yeah, Kirsty 755 00:43:45,229 --> 00:43:47,669 Speaker 1: is going to be gone. Yeah, you gotta bury that 756 00:43:47,749 --> 00:43:50,509 Speaker 1: shit in the dirt, and the person who watches it 757 00:43:50,669 --> 00:43:54,149 Speaker 1: is going to go, wow, everyone was white, Yeah, everyone 758 00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:57,669 Speaker 1: was white. This man was suffering from what can only 759 00:43:57,709 --> 00:44:00,829 Speaker 1: be termed gay panic. Ross was a predator, et cetera. 760 00:44:00,949 --> 00:44:03,389 Speaker 1: So I think we need to bury friends and with 761 00:44:03,629 --> 00:44:12,229 Speaker 1: it bury a one thousand page dissection everything of everything wrong. Right, So, 762 00:44:12,549 --> 00:44:16,549 Speaker 1: and that will be such an interesting reflection of twenty 763 00:44:16,629 --> 00:44:20,789 Speaker 1: twenty four versus the nineties and early two thousands. It's like, 764 00:44:20,909 --> 00:44:23,749 Speaker 1: this is where we are as a culture is that 765 00:44:24,669 --> 00:44:28,109 Speaker 1: things are quite scary right now. Yeah, from a like 766 00:44:28,589 --> 00:44:32,909 Speaker 1: climate change, global colis, things are pretty awful. So what 767 00:44:33,069 --> 00:44:35,589 Speaker 1: we choose to do with our time instead of writing 768 00:44:35,629 --> 00:44:38,589 Speaker 1: to our local member is we watch Friends and we 769 00:44:38,709 --> 00:44:42,229 Speaker 1: get mad that they had actional characters. So we need 770 00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:46,509 Speaker 1: to have a one thousand page dissertation. Yeah, analyzing it, 771 00:44:46,629 --> 00:44:48,189 Speaker 1: And I just think that that will be such an 772 00:44:48,229 --> 00:44:50,909 Speaker 1: important time capsule for the aliens. If you had to 773 00:44:50,949 --> 00:44:55,749 Speaker 1: bury something in your time capsule, like, what would you bury? Honestly? Yeah, honestly, yeah, 774 00:44:56,349 --> 00:45:00,109 Speaker 1: a coke zero in a fridge. I think you're just 775 00:45:00,309 --> 00:45:03,309 Speaker 1: fir no, But I just think the aliens would appreciate it. 776 00:45:03,389 --> 00:45:08,669 Speaker 1: They'd be like, these people knew out of it. What 777 00:45:08,789 --> 00:45:12,709 Speaker 1: would you bury? Either a paper straw or like a 778 00:45:13,509 --> 00:45:15,629 Speaker 1: metal Oh, I don't know. I think it's like the 779 00:45:15,669 --> 00:45:18,869 Speaker 1: world's over. Plastic straws are bound. You know, it tastes 780 00:45:18,909 --> 00:45:21,149 Speaker 1: better with a plastic straw. I can't access them, I 781 00:45:21,229 --> 00:45:25,189 Speaker 1: don't use them, but it does. Thank you so much 782 00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:27,989 Speaker 1: for joining us on this episode of Canceled. Claire, do 783 00:45:28,029 --> 00:45:30,389 Speaker 1: you have a lazy girls story? Before we go? Here's 784 00:45:30,389 --> 00:45:34,229 Speaker 1: my lazy girl story. Dear Claire and Jesse. So picture this, 785 00:45:34,509 --> 00:45:37,429 Speaker 1: love it straight into it, No tymee for pleasantries. I'm 786 00:45:37,549 --> 00:45:39,909 Speaker 1: leaving the gym this morning. Yes, I know, Jim and 787 00:45:39,989 --> 00:45:42,909 Speaker 1: morning in the same sentence. Who even am? II? Yeah, 788 00:45:43,669 --> 00:45:45,749 Speaker 1: and I decided to give mm a ring on my 789 00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:49,909 Speaker 1: way to work. Very lazy girl moved. Yeah, you can't 790 00:45:49,909 --> 00:45:52,349 Speaker 1: be alone with your own thoughts. No super productive for 791 00:45:52,429 --> 00:45:55,629 Speaker 1: self proclaimed lazy girl. Right anyway, midchat, Mum casually asked 792 00:45:55,629 --> 00:45:58,109 Speaker 1: if I'm planning to have a shower at work. Of course, 793 00:45:58,149 --> 00:46:00,989 Speaker 1: I responded with math, probably not, don't work that hard, 794 00:46:01,509 --> 00:46:04,429 Speaker 1: not really sweaty. I'll just do a quick wet white 795 00:46:04,469 --> 00:46:07,749 Speaker 1: situation and top up cety over and yet love And 796 00:46:07,869 --> 00:46:09,989 Speaker 1: guess what. Mum was totally on board with this, and 797 00:46:10,149 --> 00:46:13,509 Speaker 1: then she drops this absolute gem. Apparently my granny Joe 798 00:46:13,709 --> 00:46:16,749 Speaker 1: had a term for this, and it's called dirty flash. Yep, 799 00:46:16,869 --> 00:46:20,069 Speaker 1: you heard that right, dirty flash. I burst out laughing 800 00:46:20,109 --> 00:46:22,429 Speaker 1: and asked Mum what on earth that meant. She explained 801 00:46:22,469 --> 00:46:25,269 Speaker 1: that it's when you're technically dirty but you still look flash. 802 00:46:27,149 --> 00:46:29,189 Speaker 1: You know, like when you get home after a long day, 803 00:46:29,469 --> 00:46:31,629 Speaker 1: slap on some nice clothes and head out like you've 804 00:46:31,669 --> 00:46:34,549 Speaker 1: got it all together a true lazy girl move. That 805 00:46:34,869 --> 00:46:38,109 Speaker 1: feeling of getting home from work and you're physically sticky, 806 00:46:38,669 --> 00:46:41,749 Speaker 1: your makeup's all in your lines, right, and you get 807 00:46:41,789 --> 00:46:43,629 Speaker 1: home and you're like, I'm going to go out, like 808 00:46:43,709 --> 00:46:45,229 Speaker 1: I'm going to go to dinner, and what I'm going 809 00:46:45,269 --> 00:46:48,589 Speaker 1: to do is put more makeup. I'm going to cake 810 00:46:48,669 --> 00:46:50,549 Speaker 1: it on, because you guys, sometimes I look at my 811 00:46:50,629 --> 00:46:53,589 Speaker 1: face and I go, this needs a wash off. Yeah, 812 00:46:53,669 --> 00:46:56,109 Speaker 1: and a region a skin care moment. Do you ever 813 00:46:56,189 --> 00:46:58,549 Speaker 1: look at your makeup and you go, oh, my eyeliner 814 00:46:58,629 --> 00:47:01,349 Speaker 1: or my mascara has smaged. What I will do is 815 00:47:01,469 --> 00:47:05,869 Speaker 1: cover it with laugh Yeah, yeah, okay, cake on more makeup, yeah, 816 00:47:05,909 --> 00:47:08,629 Speaker 1: to fix it. That is a lazy girl move. You 817 00:47:08,789 --> 00:47:12,069 Speaker 1: just put on more. And that's the thing with sweat. 818 00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:14,869 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not totally convinced sweats dirty. No. 819 00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:19,469 Speaker 1: And you know what you keep seeing these things about, oh, 820 00:47:20,189 --> 00:47:23,629 Speaker 1: in the Western world, shower too much? Lazy girls love 821 00:47:23,709 --> 00:47:27,189 Speaker 1: that it makes us sick. We share that on Instagram. 822 00:47:27,189 --> 00:47:29,829 Speaker 1: How does it make us sick? That's the question. But 823 00:47:30,389 --> 00:47:34,909 Speaker 1: I'm actually all for that. I think sweat just reabsorbs. Yeah, great, 824 00:47:34,949 --> 00:47:36,949 Speaker 1: you get wet and then it just kind of goes 825 00:47:37,509 --> 00:47:39,389 Speaker 1: all back in. Yeah, I think it's good for the 826 00:47:39,509 --> 00:47:43,189 Speaker 1: skin to me too, So that is new to the 827 00:47:43,269 --> 00:47:49,949 Speaker 1: lazy girl vernacular. Dirty Flash Branny Joe, Granny Joe, our 828 00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:53,549 Speaker 1: favorite canceled this much. Thank you so much for listening 829 00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:57,069 Speaker 1: to this episode of Canceled. The producer of Canceled is 830 00:47:57,229 --> 00:48:00,389 Speaker 1: Kim Bradish with audio production by Leah Porges. And we'll 831 00:48:00,429 --> 00:48:02,189 Speaker 1: be back next week. Bye bye,