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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on instantly plumps up skin.

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Speaker 2: It's like the best weapon in my kit. Prepping skin

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Speaker 1: and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for your Face.

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Speaker 1: I'm Aaron Dockerty and welcome to the formula. Every week

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Speaker 1: I sit down with celebs and some of the biggest

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Speaker 1: If you're listening right now, you're probably obsessed with skin

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Speaker 1: care and maybe there's a chance that, like me, you

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Speaker 1: can be prone to sometimes overdoing it. So today we're

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Speaker 1: helping you go back to basics. We've got Amanda Ramsey

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Speaker 1: all ages. She's had a pretty incredible career. She does

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Speaker 1: make up for the likes of Sophie Monk, Delta Gudrum,

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Speaker 1: and Miranda Urr. Her approach to skin is simple. It's

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Speaker 1: all about finding products that are going to help create

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Speaker 1: a hydrated, glowy base for flawless makeup, and that's what

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Speaker 1: she's going to help us with today. Plus she'll be

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Speaker 1: sharing the best skin treatments that have worked, wonders on

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Speaker 1: her hyper pigmentation and the problematic at home treatment she

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Speaker 1: needs everyone to stop doing. I'm super excited for this one,

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Speaker 1: so let's get into it. Yeah, such beautiful skill. But

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Speaker 1: how Amanda? Thank you so much for joining us on

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Speaker 1: the formula. I've been waiting to get you on the

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Speaker 1: asking you about your skincare journey. We're talking back to

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Speaker 1: had times where you've pushed your skincare eage a little

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Speaker 1: too far?

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Speaker 2: blow ups and blowouts from time to time. Absolutely, And

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Speaker 2: by the way, thank you so much for having me

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Speaker 1: We're so excited to hear about all your tips and tricks.

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Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about what kind of concerns

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Speaker 1: you've dealt with when you've pushed your skincare routine a

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Speaker 2: I've been a long term skin care advocate lover ever

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Speaker 2: it was around forty, I've developed perioral dermatitis. So I'd

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Speaker 2: perio or dermatitis. I hadn't really had trouble with my

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Speaker 1: Probably hard to say, but I think perioal dermatitis is

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Speaker 1: one of those concerns that's so fickle and so tricky

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Speaker 1: to treat. I've written lots and lots of articles on

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Speaker 1: Mama Mia about the different signs of a damaged skincare barrier.

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Speaker 1: We get questions all the time, particularly in our u

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Speaker 1: I'm guilty of it as well. Off the back of

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Speaker 2: My own experience with parioral dermatitis, but also my own

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Speaker 2: So when we're going back to basics, and this is

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Speaker 1: Amanda, you've brought products the show, and tell tell me

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Speaker 2: Clemons Organics Refining cleanser. Clemons Organics is an Australian made,

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Speaker 2: refining cleanser. So it is very gentle, it's balancing, it's calming,

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Speaker 2: That's right. So the next step is a serum anything

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Speaker 2: the Clements Organics tone and hydrate Sprits. It's just a

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Speaker 2: all about just hydrating and calming. So think about you're

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Speaker 2: targeting your specific need in the moment rather than going

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Speaker 2: the science of aging. This is about what can I

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Speaker 2: choose to nourish and nurture my skin. So I would

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Speaker 2: start with a horolonic acid serum if we're doing our

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Speaker 2: benefit from a beautiful herolonic acid serum. It's like a

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Speaker 2: Of course I do. This has actually been in my

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Speaker 2: number three Exotic Goddess Serum.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can I just say I have used the Edible

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Speaker 1: Beauty Cream cleanser before and that product was beautiful, great

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Speaker 2: Beauty is nautropathic, great ingredients. So the formulator, the creator

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Speaker 1: We all want instant results. Let's not beat around the bush.

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Speaker 1: So if you're after plump skin.

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Speaker 2: But that's a really good point, Aaron, because that's the

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Speaker 2: with your other serums and treatment products like vitamin C's

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Speaker 1: What would be your suggestion for vitamin C? And are

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Speaker 2: hylonic acid serum. Then if you want to introduce a

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Speaker 2: You don't want to be putting it Vitamin C serum

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Speaker 2: onto it. This is from Antipodes. It's the glow ritual

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Speaker 2: Vitamin C brightening serum. So it's a plant based vitamin C.

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Speaker 2: So it's a really gentle vitamin C. It's also got

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Speaker 2: your hyalnic acid. And what I love about this one

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Speaker 2: vitamin C. And then if you want something a little

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Speaker 2: more serious, but it's also been specifically formulated for sensitive skin.

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Speaker 2: I personally couldn't tolerate vitamin C. And the genius that

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Speaker 2: Yes, she's formulated a vitamin C that's called Efficacy and

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Speaker 2: it's a specific high tech way of encapsulating the sea

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Speaker 2: so that it's perfect for sensitive skin. So antioxidant rich.

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Speaker 2: mature skin world. Certainly something that you might add after

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Speaker 2: your herolinic acid. The only other serum I was going

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Speaker 2: to mention is a vitamin B serum. If you've got

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Speaker 2: collagen boosting, etcetera, ETCeteras. You want poor refining all the

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Speaker 2: would keep it simple, then maybe you'd add their vitamin

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Speaker 2: B from Sinergy Skin so a n cinamide.

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Speaker 1: As you said, that's such a good all rounder. I

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with them. It just can kind of

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Speaker 2: they're really hard to cover with makeup. Right, So if

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Speaker 1: It works, and what kind of downtime can you expect.

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Speaker 2: I looked like I had big red saws on the

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Speaker 2: A lot of ladies in consults will say to me,

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Speaker 2: why don't you go and see a registered nurse at

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Speaker 2: I have an omnilops led mass. I really like it.

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Speaker 2: I think it packles all sorts of things, Like I

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Speaker 2: and it really helped to just take the anger out

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Speaker 2: just think it really brings a beautiful radiance to the skin.

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Speaker 2: You do need to be consistent with it, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Another thing that I like to do at home is

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Speaker 2: the Freo Bear micro current A little microcurrent Duba wacky.

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Speaker 1: So that's the one with the two little metal balls

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Speaker 2: That's right, and it's a bit zappy. And the other

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Speaker 2: one I really like is the new Face and you

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Speaker 2: Face Conto. I think it was kind of one of

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Speaker 1: Hit. You've been one of the greatest discoveries.

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Speaker 2: Of all time or a miss never again never.

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Speaker 1: What is a skincare technique or ingredient that you love

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Speaker 1: and one that you hate? A hit for me.

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Speaker 2: Is micro needling. There's so much good scientific backing around

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Speaker 2: that you're using your own body. You're creating those microchannel traumas,

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Speaker 2: and it's your body that is actually helping to hear.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's a real hit as far as the.

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Speaker 1: Treatment goes, tell me about your miss oh.

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Speaker 2: My missus dermo planning easy without even batting an eyelid,

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Speaker 2: that face shaving thing. I think it's going to encourage

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Speaker 2: ladies to overexfoliate, which is already a massive problem, which

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Speaker 2: I just think it's overexfoliating. There's just too much opportunity

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Speaker 2: if we have enough evidence to know what the long

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Speaker 1: I'm honestly glad that you brought that up because dermo

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Speaker 1: planning has been one of those things I've never done,

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Speaker 1: and I've always been like, should it be something I'm doing?

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Speaker 1: Because everyone says your makeup looks better when you do it,

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Speaker 1: and there's so many you know, at home raisers and tools,

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Speaker 1: but it's terrifying putting a razor to your face.

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Speaker 2: For me, it's a mess. Tread very carefully, Amanda.

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Speaker 1: chatting with us today. I've learnt so much.

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