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Speaker 2: what women are actually talking about on Monday, the twelfth

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Speaker 2: of January and out Louders, I'm so.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, if you're wondering who the hell you're listening to,

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Speaker 3: I'm mm Vernam and I am Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: And on our agenda for today, the stories that stopped

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Speaker 2: us all over the break and look, there's quite a

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Speaker 2: wide variety of that, from a bit of a storm

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Speaker 2: over a roast chicken to some serious world events.

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Speaker 4: There is a celebrity few that has a huge choke

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Speaker 4: hold on my entire generation. It includes mothers groups, it

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Speaker 4: includes Disney, it includes friendships. We are going to get

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Speaker 4: stuck right into it.

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Speaker 3: And the Golden Globes. We have been watching them today,

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Speaker 3: the Red Carpet, the monologue, the movies we want to

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Speaker 3: see immediately. And we have a very special guest to

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Speaker 3: debrief with.

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Speaker 2: But first, in case you missed it, Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 3: You know who hasn't had a lovely and RESTful break.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to talk about this. Your friend Vicky,

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Speaker 3: My friend Vicky B. Vicky B has had a time.

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Speaker 3: Victoria Beckham. Last month, during what should have been the

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Speaker 3: festive season, twenty six year old Brooklyn Beckham blocked his parents.

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Speaker 4: He only twenty six.

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Speaker 3: He's only twenty six.

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Speaker 4: He sounds so much.

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Speaker 2: He has like photography, cooking, that's true.

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Speaker 3: A strange man. He blocked his parents, Victoria and David

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Speaker 3: alleged that Brooklyn and Nicola nickoler is his wife, served

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Speaker 3: Victoria and David with a season desist notice a while back,

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Speaker 3: which said that they were not allowed to tag or

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Speaker 3: mention them on their social media accounts. No throwbacks, no

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Speaker 3: mention of Brooklyn, no miss you at Brooklyn. Nothing right.

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Speaker 3: And look, I mean this respectfully, but David and Victoria

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Speaker 3: are this is a fact over the age of fifty

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Speaker 3: and that means they did not to stand the.

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Speaker 2: Season they understood, right, So what has happened here? And

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Speaker 2: to be I don't want to be flippant, although we

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Speaker 2: are being a bit flippant, but this is a story

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Speaker 2: that's playing out in a lot of families right The

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Speaker 2: going no contact, we've talked about that on this show before.

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Speaker 2: Going no contact is a big deal, and that's basically

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Speaker 2: what Brooklyn and Nicola have done to David and Victoria.

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Speaker 2: They've said no contact whatsoever except through lawyers. That's what

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Speaker 2: they've said. As you're pointing out, David and VICKI didn't

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Speaker 2: realize that no contact meant you can't like my picture

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Speaker 2: of a roast chicken.

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Speaker 3: No, exactly right. They thought it meant I can't knock

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Speaker 3: on your door. No, I absolutely get that, But mummy

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Speaker 3: can still like your cooking video.

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Speaker 2: She's gen x, she's had a wine and we all

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Speaker 2: know that Vicky b likes a wine. She is like

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Speaker 2: in everything. We don't understand that it's such a big

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Speaker 3: Has always encouraged Brooklyn in his endeavors, and apparently they

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Speaker 3: did keep engaging with Brooklyn's content, and it all came

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Speaker 3: to a head when Brooklyn shared a recipe for a

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Speaker 3: beer brined chicken with mashed potatoes, and Victoria went double tap.

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Speaker 3: I've always loved your cooking, Brookie, and I miss it.

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Speaker 3: She didn't say that, but that's what they like, insinuated,

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Speaker 3: hence why they all got blocked. Brooklyn was like, Mum,

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Speaker 3: stop liking my cooking videos. Let the woman live. Let

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Speaker 3: the woman live. I just pictured David offering a toast

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Speaker 3: at Christmas to his own knighthood and wishing that baby,

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Speaker 3: Brooklyn and Nicola all there like. It just makes me

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Speaker 2: I was very upset about this. It nearly nearly made

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Speaker 2: me stop using my Brooklyn back and hot sauce, but.

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Speaker 3: Not quite because I've already paid for it.

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Speaker 4: You know what, fair game. If I could get my

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Speaker 4: parents to stop postingly on their Facebook, I'd honestly do

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Speaker 4: the same.

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Speaker 2: Would you like them to stop?

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Speaker 4: Please stop?

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because I've noticed the change already because, as

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Speaker 2: I say, we are being a bit flippant about this.

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Speaker 2: But David and Victoria for a long time their big family.

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Speaker 2: You know, they've got four kids, and they all feature

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Speaker 2: really prominently on their social media, and they always tag

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Speaker 2: them all and they've always tagged them all for ages

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Speaker 2: and that was a big part apparently, Like Brooklyn was like,

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Speaker 2: stop it. You're treating me like a child, and like,

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Speaker 2: I'm part of a unit. But I'm a grown up

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Speaker 2: now with my own family at my wife's billionaires mansion

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Speaker 2: in Miami, so just give me a break. But what

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Speaker 2: I've noticed is now David is posting because they had

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Speaker 2: a great Christmas. I mean, I'm sure that on the

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Speaker 2: inside they were crying, but they posted a lot of

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Speaker 2: their now trademark drunk dancing, slow dancing videos. There were

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Speaker 2: unreasonably large garden. There was all of that was going on.

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Speaker 2: But I noticed that now Beckham's just saying I love

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Speaker 2: all my kids and not tagging. So what about the others.

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Speaker 2: Won't somebody think of their Instagram following? How are they

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Speaker 2: going to grow their following the family collapse are dead now.

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Speaker 3: The other update is, of course that Nicola just in

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Speaker 3: the last few days has gone through her own Instagram

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Speaker 3: profile and like a woman scorn by a bad ex boyfriend,

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Speaker 3: has deleted every photo ever taken with Victoria with David. No,

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Speaker 3: she did, she has, She's deleted all of it.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is a couple of Christmas as ago.

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Speaker 2: She was right there in the Santa hat.

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Speaker 3: She was going love my mill mother in law.

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Speaker 2: You don't get involved. She shouldn't have gone to something

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Speaker 2: really big must have happened one day. We'll find out

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Speaker 2: what it is, because the loose lips are significant here.

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Speaker 2: It was Cruise, I think who can post the Instagram story? Yep,

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Speaker 2: it was Cruz who confirmed that they were blocked. Since then,

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Speaker 2: I've seen sources from both sides, the Beckham side as

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Speaker 2: in Vicki and David and People magazine. The Peltz's side

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Speaker 2: are more likely to be on page six in the

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Speaker 2: New York Post like they are sort of warring via

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Speaker 2: pr So we might find out their stories.

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Speaker 3: But it's pretty sad in the spirit of just going

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Speaker 3: rogue because we've just got back. Who side are you on?

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Speaker 4: Come on?

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Speaker 2: Look, obviously I'm on Vicki's.

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Speaker 3: I am too, how about you.

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Speaker 4: Great slip liner, and I think that's done for something.

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Speaker 2: However, the most recent report I read, in page six,

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Speaker 2: I think it was said that the reason that Brooklyn

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Speaker 2: Beckham had said no more liking and tapping was to

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Speaker 2: protect his mental health. This is very Prince Harry, This

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Speaker 2: is extremely Harry and Meghans what's going on here? And

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Speaker 2: I don't want to mock that, because you know, people

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Speaker 2: cut off their family for very valid reasons, and there

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Speaker 2: could be all kinds of shit going on that we

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Speaker 2: don't know about. But on the surface of it, when

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Speaker 2: Vicky's in her little slip dress dancing with David and

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Speaker 2: he's got his son a Han, I'm just like, oh, oh,

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Speaker 2: there's a little empty seat at that glorious catered table. So,

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Speaker 2: as I mentioned, we're twelve days into a new year,

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Speaker 2: and there's an enormous amount going on around the world.

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Speaker 2: Mass protests against the regime in Iran, which could reshape

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Speaker 2: the Middle East, fears that the US is considering whether

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Speaker 2: Greenland might make a nice fifty first state, and of

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Speaker 2: course what happened in Venezuela on January the third. Now,

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Speaker 2: regular Louders know that Amelia Lester is our official foreign

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Speaker 2: policy expert, and she actually legitimately is. She works for

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Speaker 2: a magazine publication called Foreign Policy, but she selfishly is

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Speaker 2: on leave for another week.

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Speaker 3: I nearly texted her over the break to just go Venezuela,

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Speaker 3: question mark, and then I just went and I leave

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Speaker 3: the woman alion. I've let her have a slave. I

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Speaker 3: left you alone.

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Speaker 2: So we have a lot of questions from Melia when

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Speaker 2: she's back on Monday. But in the meantime, if you're

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Speaker 2: confused about what happened there and why everyone's talking about it,

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Speaker 2: we've got a top line explanation starting at the very

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Speaker 2: top of the line. Venezuela is in northern South America, right,

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Speaker 2: and it's home to almost twenty eight million people, so

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Speaker 2: it's a very similar population size to Australia. Right. It's

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Speaker 2: about three times the size of Texas. That's how I

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Speaker 2: keep seeing it described, which is big, twenty eight million people,

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Speaker 2: and it's a petro state, which means that it's very

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Speaker 2: very rich in oil, home to the world's largest oil reserves,

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Speaker 2: and it was once an exceptionally wealthy country for that reason.

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Speaker 4: I heard it was nicknamed the Millionaire of America.

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Speaker 2: It was, and at one time the relations between Venezuela

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Speaker 2: and America were significant and celebrities would fly between them.

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Speaker 2: And that reference to Puerto Rico is that obviously America

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Speaker 3: Finally, I have another in case you missed it. The

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, my first question is, ladies, have we had

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Speaker 3: Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junr. Had a little play

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Speaker 3: Yes, and you might remember it from primary school. I

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Speaker 2: Sure, this is this time.

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Speaker 3: So we're all our steak and everything, and lots of.

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Speaker 3: Time at the very bottom. So the smallest part, the

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Speaker 2: They're going to say it's a very vagan, is it?

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Speaker 3: Is we want to support the farmers. What we're saying

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Speaker 2: I thought it looked delicious because I like veggies. I

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Speaker 2: think it looks pretty, and I'm happy about the prawns. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I think it's a little bit wishful thinking, isn't it.

434
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Speaker 4: After the break, we are talking about the mother's group

435
00:22:25,194 --> 00:22:39,114
Speaker 4: essay that sparked a celebrity feud. So last month on

436
00:22:39,194 --> 00:22:42,714
Speaker 4: the Cut article went viral. It was an essay and

437
00:22:42,754 --> 00:22:45,594
Speaker 4: it was titled breaking up with My Toxic Mum Group.

438
00:22:45,874 --> 00:22:48,514
Speaker 4: I thought I found my village instead, I was back

439
00:22:48,554 --> 00:22:52,033
Speaker 4: in high school. The reason it went viral was because

440
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Speaker 4: it was written by Ashley Tisdale high school musical.

441
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, please remind me because I don't

442
00:22:58,274 --> 00:23:00,474
Speaker 2: mean to be cynical, but I haven't heard the name

443
00:23:00,514 --> 00:23:02,634
Speaker 2: Ashley Tisdale for quite a while, and this is quite

444
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Speaker 2: the re entry to the discourse.

445
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Speaker 4: She was charpai on High School Musical Life. I was

446
00:23:07,514 --> 00:23:08,074
Speaker 4: like in Cody.

447
00:23:08,394 --> 00:23:12,434
Speaker 3: I also her byline was actually French or something, and

448
00:23:12,474 --> 00:23:15,234
Speaker 3: so I didn't understand the relevance of this because.

449
00:23:14,994 --> 00:23:18,954
Speaker 4: She's starting a skincare company and she wanted to incorporate

450
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Speaker 4: the French name because her husband's name is Christopher French. Oh,

451
00:23:22,074 --> 00:23:24,434
Speaker 4: she's like Tisdale French, She's French.

452
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, in the Nauty, Yes, I remember being on

453
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Speaker 2: lots of gossip mags and stuff at the time, like

454
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Speaker 2: Ashley was a bit of an girl in La kind

455
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Speaker 2: of thing.

456
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Speaker 4: Yeah inact Yeah, the two thousand, that's two thousands. And

457
00:23:35,914 --> 00:23:37,554
Speaker 4: what she's been doing with the time because I follow

458
00:23:37,554 --> 00:23:39,754
Speaker 4: a lot of the high school musical casts very closely.

459
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Speaker 4: She's got a YouTube channel. She did a lot of

460
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Speaker 4: like songs on there. She got into her singing career,

461
00:23:45,954 --> 00:23:48,314
Speaker 4: and then she moved into this skincare brand. She went

462
00:23:48,434 --> 00:23:50,793
Speaker 4: kind of semi viral a few years ago with an

463
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Speaker 4: Architectural Digest interview where she had this empty bookshelf and

464
00:23:54,514 --> 00:23:55,914
Speaker 4: she's like, I just send my husband out to get

465
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Speaker 4: two hundred books to fill up a bookshelf.

466
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Speaker 2: Oh that was her.

467
00:24:00,154 --> 00:24:02,594
Speaker 4: So now she's gone viral from this essay that she

468
00:24:02,634 --> 00:24:05,914
Speaker 4: originally published as a blog post, and the whole essay

469
00:24:05,994 --> 00:24:09,154
Speaker 4: was talking about she was in this mother's group that

470
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Speaker 4: became very toxic very quickly. They started leaving her out

471
00:24:12,194 --> 00:24:15,354
Speaker 4: of group hangs, out of group chats. She confronted them

472
00:24:15,394 --> 00:24:18,194
Speaker 4: and said, this is very high school behavior. They were like,

473
00:24:18,234 --> 00:24:19,834
Speaker 4: we don't know what you're talking about, and then she

474
00:24:19,994 --> 00:24:23,793
Speaker 4: just left. The reason everyone's talking about this is because

475
00:24:23,874 --> 00:24:28,394
Speaker 4: her mother's group is very, very public. It consists of

476
00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:32,994
Speaker 4: women like Megan Trainer, Mandy Moore, Hillary Duff, a lot

477
00:24:32,994 --> 00:24:36,033
Speaker 4: of famous designers, a lot of la people, and they

478
00:24:36,034 --> 00:24:39,714
Speaker 4: would post about each other consistently, like big group photos

479
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Speaker 4: of these beautiful women wearing matching tracksuits with captions like

480
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Speaker 4: Mum's weekend away, and then photos of these beautiful flowers

481
00:24:46,314 --> 00:24:48,314
Speaker 4: saying look well, our husband sent us Like they were

482
00:24:48,434 --> 00:24:49,794
Speaker 4: very like the it mum group.

483
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Speaker 2: Oh right, Because when I've seen some of the stories

484
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Speaker 2: when they were saying the women in the mom group,

485
00:24:54,114 --> 00:24:56,714
Speaker 2: I thought maybe that was speculation, but it's not. Definitely

486
00:24:56,754 --> 00:24:59,434
Speaker 2: is those women's Yeah, definitely those women. So this was

487
00:24:59,474 --> 00:25:02,354
Speaker 2: like throwing like a big juicy ball of gossip into

488
00:25:02,394 --> 00:25:04,073
Speaker 2: a pool, like the ripples are going to go far.

489
00:25:04,234 --> 00:25:07,634
Speaker 4: The rumors were going wild. Are Jason podcast Parenting Out

490
00:25:07,674 --> 00:25:10,314
Speaker 4: Loud talked about it when the essay originally went viral.

491
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Speaker 4: So much more has happened since, So since that, the

492
00:25:14,394 --> 00:25:16,634
Speaker 4: roomors started to die down a little bit. But then

493
00:25:16,754 --> 00:25:20,234
Speaker 4: Hilary Duff's husband Matthew Coma, was like, not on my watch,

494
00:25:20,474 --> 00:25:22,594
Speaker 4: these rumors are going to stay on the surface, and

495
00:25:22,674 --> 00:25:27,114
Speaker 4: he posted an Instagram story of Ashley Tisdale's cut profile

496
00:25:27,154 --> 00:25:30,834
Speaker 4: image with his face super imposed on her body, and

497
00:25:30,874 --> 00:25:34,114
Speaker 4: he changed the headline too. A mum group tell all

498
00:25:34,154 --> 00:25:37,074
Speaker 4: through a father's eyes. When you're the most self obsessed,

499
00:25:37,114 --> 00:25:39,954
Speaker 4: tone deaf person on earth, Other mums tend to shift

500
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Speaker 4: focus to their actual toddlers.

501
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Speaker 2: Shots fired.

502
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Speaker 3: Do you know what I would do to get my

503
00:25:46,034 --> 00:25:48,474
Speaker 3: husband ten percent invested.

504
00:25:47,994 --> 00:25:49,114
Speaker 2: In any drama?

505
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Speaker 3: Like? I am so jealous of the husbands that are

506
00:25:53,194 --> 00:25:57,513
Speaker 3: suddenly more invested, more caddy, more bitchy than any of

507
00:25:57,514 --> 00:26:00,994
Speaker 3: the women. So true, they are having so much fun.

508
00:26:01,034 --> 00:26:02,954
Speaker 3: They're probably the worst behaved of any of them. They

509
00:26:02,954 --> 00:26:05,754
Speaker 3: had the husband's and I'm like, I cannot They're not

510
00:26:05,794 --> 00:26:08,273
Speaker 3: even in the group. No, exactly, I cannot get my

511
00:26:08,354 --> 00:26:11,154
Speaker 3: husband to listen to my story of drama, let alone

512
00:26:11,274 --> 00:26:13,554
Speaker 3: like take sides, which is what I want him to do.

513
00:26:14,434 --> 00:26:17,354
Speaker 2: Okay, I have issue with this story. I have many

514
00:26:17,394 --> 00:26:20,874
Speaker 2: issues with this story. One is that I read it.

515
00:26:21,034 --> 00:26:22,714
Speaker 2: I've missed it the first time around, but then when

516
00:26:22,714 --> 00:26:24,394
Speaker 2: it came in the cut, it's been the one of

517
00:26:24,394 --> 00:26:27,194
Speaker 2: their most read story for weeks now, and that's why

518
00:26:27,194 --> 00:26:28,314
Speaker 2: it all bubble back up again.

519
00:26:28,394 --> 00:26:29,394
Speaker 4: The cuts having a lot of fun.

520
00:26:29,634 --> 00:26:32,994
Speaker 2: I thought there was going to be real juice. There

521
00:26:33,074 --> 00:26:36,154
Speaker 2: is not. There's just like they stopped inviting me to stuff,

522
00:26:36,234 --> 00:26:38,914
Speaker 2: and then one day I said, you're not inviting me

523
00:26:38,954 --> 00:26:41,154
Speaker 2: to stuff. This is too high school. That was it.

524
00:26:41,234 --> 00:26:42,194
Speaker 2: That's the only drama.

525
00:26:42,274 --> 00:26:46,194
Speaker 3: And then someone sent her flowers to apologize, and then

526
00:26:46,514 --> 00:26:48,354
Speaker 3: she said thank you for the flowers, and they didn't

527
00:26:48,354 --> 00:26:50,313
Speaker 3: reply to that message, and I was like, yeah, welcome

528
00:26:50,354 --> 00:26:52,714
Speaker 3: to motherhood, like she forgot me. Yeah.

529
00:26:52,874 --> 00:26:55,313
Speaker 2: But my serious concern about stories like this is I

530
00:26:55,354 --> 00:26:59,074
Speaker 2: hate stories that put women off seeking support of other women.

531
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Speaker 2: And I know that makes me sound very Polyanna. And

532
00:27:01,514 --> 00:27:04,594
Speaker 2: I've spoken on this show and others before that, My

533
00:27:04,714 --> 00:27:06,754
Speaker 2: experience of mother's group was very positive, but I know

534
00:27:06,834 --> 00:27:09,754
Speaker 2: that what everybody's is, so I'm not being Pollyanna about that,

535
00:27:10,074 --> 00:27:12,514
Speaker 2: but it is one of the most isolating times in

536
00:27:12,554 --> 00:27:17,114
Speaker 2: your life being a new mother, and mother's groups get

537
00:27:17,114 --> 00:27:20,954
Speaker 2: a terrible rap for being exactly this toxic groups of

538
00:27:21,074 --> 00:27:24,554
Speaker 2: vipers who are all going to criticize your parenting too

539
00:27:24,634 --> 00:27:28,354
Speaker 2: much comparison, too much competitiveness, And of course that is

540
00:27:28,394 --> 00:27:30,394
Speaker 2: true for some people, but not everybody, and it puts

541
00:27:30,394 --> 00:27:32,234
Speaker 2: a lot of people off going, which just means that

542
00:27:32,354 --> 00:27:35,314
Speaker 2: women and new mothers get isolated further and further and further.

543
00:27:35,394 --> 00:27:38,434
Speaker 2: So there's that, right, and then the other bit. And

544
00:27:38,474 --> 00:27:42,234
Speaker 2: I'm going to sound maybe like Hillary Duff's husband when

545
00:27:42,274 --> 00:27:45,553
Speaker 2: I say this, people who are more invested in the

546
00:27:45,674 --> 00:27:48,034
Speaker 2: dynamics of a friendship group. There are some people who,

547
00:27:48,114 --> 00:27:51,554
Speaker 2: for good reasons, maybe their past experiences, yeah, are hypersensitive

548
00:27:51,754 --> 00:27:56,234
Speaker 2: to ostracismstraism, that's exactly the word, Jesse, thank you. Where

549
00:27:56,314 --> 00:27:59,434
Speaker 2: it's like they're more invested in the dynamics of a

550
00:27:59,434 --> 00:28:01,593
Speaker 2: friendship group and who talks to who more and who

551
00:28:01,674 --> 00:28:04,434
Speaker 2: invites who more places than they are and actually participating

552
00:28:04,514 --> 00:28:07,273
Speaker 2: in the friendship, like, what are you bringing to this? Why?

553
00:28:08,194 --> 00:28:11,514
Speaker 2: Why are they not inviting you? Is there not possibly

554
00:28:11,514 --> 00:28:16,314
Speaker 2: a legitimate reason? So I found it lacking in self awareness.

555
00:28:16,354 --> 00:28:17,914
Speaker 2: Do I sound horrible, Jesse.

556
00:28:17,914 --> 00:28:18,674
Speaker 4: No, you don't.

557
00:28:19,194 --> 00:28:22,154
Speaker 3: And I think that your sense that the whole thing.

558
00:28:22,234 --> 00:28:25,554
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it's like layered in misogyny

559
00:28:25,754 --> 00:28:30,434
Speaker 3: and throw around words like patriarchy. But this idea that

560
00:28:30,474 --> 00:28:33,114
Speaker 3: we put women who have just had children under so

561
00:28:33,274 --> 00:28:36,513
Speaker 3: much pressure, offer them no support, throw them in groups together,

562
00:28:37,274 --> 00:28:40,834
Speaker 3: and then blame them for their own conflict is like

563
00:28:42,434 --> 00:28:46,674
Speaker 3: there's an irony to that. So these are women who

564
00:28:46,674 --> 00:28:49,394
Speaker 3: are all doing their best and apparently running businesses, and

565
00:28:49,434 --> 00:28:52,834
Speaker 3: they have more resources than the average women, But the

566
00:28:52,874 --> 00:28:56,474
Speaker 3: idea that they would all get along perfectly. I always

567
00:28:56,514 --> 00:29:02,754
Speaker 3: think having children isn't enough to just like forge an

568
00:29:02,914 --> 00:29:05,754
Speaker 3: entire friendship often like that you kind of need more

569
00:29:05,754 --> 00:29:07,634
Speaker 3: in of course you're going to meet people through your

570
00:29:07,714 --> 00:29:09,994
Speaker 3: kids or whatever and go, oh, we don't have much

571
00:29:10,034 --> 00:29:12,794
Speaker 3: else in common, like that would happen all the time.

572
00:29:13,514 --> 00:29:17,954
Speaker 3: But I do think that most women who have social

573
00:29:18,034 --> 00:29:21,354
Speaker 3: experiences as adults have had moments where they've gone this

574
00:29:21,394 --> 00:29:24,754
Speaker 3: feels like high school, like where it kind of brings

575
00:29:24,834 --> 00:29:28,434
Speaker 3: you back to that and you feel really left out

576
00:29:28,594 --> 00:29:31,514
Speaker 3: or you feel really hurt. But how you deal with that,

577
00:29:31,994 --> 00:29:34,314
Speaker 3: Like you can tap out, you can just choose to

578
00:29:34,634 --> 00:29:35,554
Speaker 3: not get involved.

579
00:29:35,834 --> 00:29:38,154
Speaker 4: But that's what she said in the essay, like she

580
00:29:38,354 --> 00:29:41,074
Speaker 4: just left and she never knew the reason why they

581
00:29:41,114 --> 00:29:41,714
Speaker 4: never invited her.

582
00:29:41,834 --> 00:29:42,914
Speaker 3: Why did she write about it?

583
00:29:42,954 --> 00:29:43,634
Speaker 2: What was the point?

584
00:29:44,914 --> 00:29:46,914
Speaker 4: I feel like if you have a bad experience with

585
00:29:47,074 --> 00:29:49,954
Speaker 4: friendships or a mother group, you're allowed to write about it.

586
00:29:49,994 --> 00:29:51,714
Speaker 4: And I think that's literally all she did.

587
00:29:51,794 --> 00:29:54,634
Speaker 2: But she knew what would happen, because it wasn't just

588
00:29:54,994 --> 00:29:57,634
Speaker 2: as you said in your intro, This wasn't just any

589
00:29:57,714 --> 00:30:01,354
Speaker 2: mother's group. She knew that Mandy Moore, Megan Trainer, all

590
00:30:01,394 --> 00:30:03,274
Speaker 2: those people are going to get thrown under this bus,

591
00:30:03,314 --> 00:30:06,234
Speaker 2: whether they were actually meant her or not. Everybody now

592
00:30:06,314 --> 00:30:08,754
Speaker 2: was ure and she had line she said, to be clear,

593
00:30:08,794 --> 00:30:11,354
Speaker 2: I have never considered the mums to be bad people.

594
00:30:11,834 --> 00:30:16,754
Speaker 2: Then in brackets maybe one she knew exactly what she

595
00:30:16,874 --> 00:30:18,794
Speaker 2: was doing, because now everyone's trying to work out which one,

596
00:30:18,994 --> 00:30:20,994
Speaker 2: like is it Meghan trainor who has done that TikTok

597
00:30:21,074 --> 00:30:23,354
Speaker 2: where she's like bowing out of the drama or whatever

598
00:30:23,394 --> 00:30:23,994
Speaker 2: she's doing.

599
00:30:23,834 --> 00:30:25,474
Speaker 4: With her song saying yeah.

600
00:30:25,514 --> 00:30:27,994
Speaker 3: And then you've got when Ashley Tisdale posted about it

601
00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:32,314
Speaker 3: on Instagram being like bitchy mum's group Hillary dust Is stranged,

602
00:30:32,554 --> 00:30:36,834
Speaker 3: sister Lily dat Hailey liked it. And so you've got

603
00:30:36,874 --> 00:30:41,154
Speaker 3: all of these women just going each other and one man,

604
00:30:41,594 --> 00:30:44,194
Speaker 3: two men. I think Meghan Trainor's husband has also commented.

605
00:30:44,434 --> 00:30:48,034
Speaker 4: He's like, they're fine, They're fine, They're not fine.

606
00:30:48,074 --> 00:30:50,194
Speaker 3: He's just you know, there's a lot of chatter going

607
00:30:50,234 --> 00:30:50,874
Speaker 3: on behind the scenes.

608
00:30:50,874 --> 00:30:53,314
Speaker 4: But it's also like these husbands who are like, this

609
00:30:53,434 --> 00:30:55,874
Speaker 4: is my five minutes of fame. I'm going to say something.

610
00:30:56,114 --> 00:30:59,354
Speaker 4: And I just know Matthew Comer spent hours behind the computer.

611
00:30:59,394 --> 00:31:01,394
Speaker 4: He did a Mere Freeman on Canada. I was like,

612
00:31:01,474 --> 00:31:03,754
Speaker 4: how do I make this my face? How do I

613
00:31:03,794 --> 00:31:05,994
Speaker 4: make how do I make this about me? And I

614
00:31:06,074 --> 00:31:09,594
Speaker 4: noticed it was only where he posted, like when the

615
00:31:09,634 --> 00:31:12,834
Speaker 4: guy of the group posted that, everyone was like, oh

616
00:31:12,994 --> 00:31:15,554
Speaker 4: Ashley Tales, I mean girl, like this is horrible.

617
00:31:15,834 --> 00:31:18,114
Speaker 3: Everyone else is n and they're like, look at all

618
00:31:18,114 --> 00:31:20,394
Speaker 3: the bitchy women. It's like, hang on. A man very

619
00:31:20,434 --> 00:31:22,954
Speaker 3: much got involved in DIO. The bitchiest thing of all I.

620
00:31:23,034 --> 00:31:25,714
Speaker 2: Had questions about this before I saw him weigh like,

621
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Speaker 2: I this is my question, right, Is it illegal somehow?

622
00:31:29,354 --> 00:31:31,514
Speaker 2: To your point before Jesse, about you put a group

623
00:31:31,554 --> 00:31:34,514
Speaker 2: of people together from a circumstance like you all live

624
00:31:34,514 --> 00:31:36,474
Speaker 2: in similar neighborhood and your kids in the same age.

625
00:31:36,634 --> 00:31:38,074
Speaker 2: You're going to get along with some of them better

626
00:31:38,114 --> 00:31:41,554
Speaker 2: than others. That's just life. Is it illegal for that

627
00:31:41,674 --> 00:31:42,194
Speaker 2: to happen?

628
00:31:42,714 --> 00:31:42,914
Speaker 1: You know?

629
00:31:43,154 --> 00:31:44,314
Speaker 3: And is it even personal?

630
00:31:44,434 --> 00:31:46,794
Speaker 4: Except I think it's not illegal, but you're allowed to

631
00:31:46,794 --> 00:31:47,594
Speaker 4: be upset by it.

632
00:31:47,674 --> 00:31:50,314
Speaker 2: But does it give you permission to drag everybody down?

633
00:31:50,434 --> 00:31:53,074
Speaker 2: Because you know so I've talked about my mother's group, right,

634
00:31:53,114 --> 00:31:54,834
Speaker 2: and I wrote a book about a mother's group, and

635
00:31:54,834 --> 00:31:57,234
Speaker 2: people always say to me, oh, you're so lucky. But

636
00:31:57,354 --> 00:31:59,474
Speaker 2: when I joined my mother's group, the way it works

637
00:31:59,474 --> 00:32:01,274
Speaker 2: in Australia, and I know that she wasn't going to

638
00:32:01,274 --> 00:32:04,394
Speaker 2: the local council. I know she wasn't turning up at

639
00:32:04,474 --> 00:32:06,474
Speaker 2: like the early learning center and sitting on a for

640
00:32:06,594 --> 00:32:09,554
Speaker 2: mica chair like I was. But there were thirty women

641
00:32:09,594 --> 00:32:12,194
Speaker 2: in that group, right, because there are and there are

642
00:32:12,234 --> 00:32:15,114
Speaker 2: five families who go camping every year. So I don't know,

643
00:32:15,234 --> 00:32:19,114
Speaker 2: you don't have an obligation to be friends forever with

644
00:32:19,234 --> 00:32:22,074
Speaker 2: people who you're put together in a certain situation, as

645
00:32:22,114 --> 00:32:25,194
Speaker 2: long as you respectful and polite and kind about it.

646
00:32:25,194 --> 00:32:27,314
Speaker 2: It's not like everyone has to be invited to everything

647
00:32:27,434 --> 00:32:28,354
Speaker 2: or it's too high school.

648
00:32:28,394 --> 00:32:28,634
Speaker 4: Why.

649
00:32:28,834 --> 00:32:31,514
Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's just acknowledge this life stage, right. You've

650
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Speaker 3: got enormous identity shifts, your time poor, your sleep deprived,

651
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Speaker 3: your relationship is changed, you have someone relying on your

652
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Speaker 3: body to stay alive, like you have these shifts, and

653
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Speaker 3: then on top of that, in the US you get

654
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Speaker 3: zero maternity leave. The healthcare system is a mess. You've

655
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Speaker 3: got all of these institutional pressures on you, and then

656
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Speaker 3: you wonder why some women behave strangely and it's like,

657
00:33:00,114 --> 00:33:03,794
Speaker 3: because you're just in this pressure cooker of shit. And

658
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Speaker 3: there was a great line in the Tisdale essay actually

659
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Speaker 3: that was saying high school and mother's groups. In both cases,

660
00:33:11,194 --> 00:33:13,914
Speaker 3: your hormones are all over the place, and it's so true,

661
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Speaker 3: like you just do really unusual things. And I was

662
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Speaker 3: reading a Reddit thread about it that just basically said,

663
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Speaker 3: this is one of those situations that in a year,

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Speaker 3: Ashley Tisdale will wake up and feel mortified that she

665
00:33:25,514 --> 00:33:28,234
Speaker 3: was so invested in this, but it's like you are

666
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Speaker 3: in this stage where you're feeling a lot of feelings

667
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Speaker 3: and it's incredibly emotional and you're very vulnerable and everything,

668
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Speaker 3: and I just think airing the dirty laundry was never

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Speaker 3: going to end well.

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Speaker 2: And do you think because I get your point where

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Speaker 2: you're like, if people behave in a way that hurts you,

672
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Speaker 2: you've got every right to say so, do you think

673
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Speaker 2: there's a way of doing that that isn't accusing everybody

674
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Speaker 2: of being a bitch?

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Speaker 4: She didn't name anyone, like, was completely anonymous, and after

676
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Speaker 4: I feel like the rumors went wild, her representatives reached

677
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Speaker 4: out to TMZ, which I actually think made the situation worse. Said,

678
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Speaker 4: you're talking about another mother's group. So I'm like, that's

679
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Speaker 4: then there's two mothers. I don't like you. But if

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Speaker 4: it was a different situation and say it was a

681
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Speaker 4: mother's group where she was the famous person, I feel

682
00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:17,634
Speaker 4: like that would be weird because I'm like, you're punching down,

683
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Speaker 4: but she's not punching down on this mother's group because

684
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Speaker 4: I all the same level of fame. I think what

685
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Speaker 4: I mainly take issue is that the rumors started to

686
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Speaker 4: die down after the essay went viral, and it was

687
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Speaker 4: only when this guy posted about it, kind of confirming

688
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Speaker 4: the rumors. That's when the entire tide turned against Ashley

689
00:34:35,754 --> 00:34:39,354
Speaker 4: and it just became more scary, Like I felt scared

690
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Speaker 4: for her, like the way people were talking about it.

691
00:34:42,634 --> 00:34:44,953
Speaker 4: And then Meghan Chrana will post something and then all

692
00:34:44,994 --> 00:34:47,794
Speaker 4: the tide turns against her. And the one post that

693
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Speaker 4: actually got praise was Hillary Duff's husband Matthew Comas post,

694
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Speaker 4: and that felt really icky to me.

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Speaker 3: I just reckon that we love these stories because we

696
00:34:55,914 --> 00:35:00,234
Speaker 3: get to blame women for their own alienation in otherhood,

697
00:35:00,314 --> 00:35:03,154
Speaker 3: we get to point to point the finger and just go, see,

698
00:35:03,194 --> 00:35:06,034
Speaker 3: you're all mad, that's why you're lonely, when that's not true.

699
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Speaker 3: And after the break, there is someone banging down our

700
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Speaker 3: door desperate to bring their notes into the Golden Globes discussion.

701
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Speaker 3: We have been watching it today. We have lots of thoughts,

702
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Speaker 3: lots of opinions. We'll be back after the.

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Speaker 2: Break one unlimited out loud access. We drop episodes every

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Speaker 2: Tuesday and Thursday exclusively for Mamma MIA's subscribers. Follow the

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Speaker 2: link in the show notes to get us in your

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Speaker 2: ears five days a week, and a huge thank you

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Speaker 2: to all our current subscribers. Out loud is it's Golden

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Speaker 2: Globes as we are recording today, it's just wrapping up.

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Speaker 2: And you know how I feel about award shows. You

710
00:35:55,314 --> 00:35:57,314
Speaker 2: know how Jesse feels about award shows, which is like

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Speaker 2: this me.

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00:35:59,034 --> 00:36:01,033
Speaker 3: I was like, holle, where do I watch it?

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00:36:01,914 --> 00:36:04,393
Speaker 2: We thought, yeah, how do you feel about award show?

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Speaker 4: I'm very very excited. I'm kind of annoyed. I'm here

715
00:36:06,434 --> 00:36:07,834
Speaker 4: with you guys, still going on.

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Speaker 2: Coming up, but we thought we would bring a special guest,

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Speaker 2: somebody who out Loud has already been told on today's

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Speaker 2: show is coming back hard tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Guys him, I'm coming back card tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Today, I'm coming back soft. Yes, there's no softer way

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00:36:26,234 --> 00:36:28,154
Speaker 1: to come back than when your only job is to

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Speaker 1: watch the Golden Globes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you really serious, man.

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Speaker 1: I know that podcast is our preferred medium in terms

725
00:36:35,274 --> 00:36:37,073
Speaker 1: of it being audio, but I just want to show

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Speaker 1: you I'm holiday on the top, but then on the bottom,

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Speaker 1: I'm red carpet.

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Speaker 2: Ah do we call that red carpet?

729
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Speaker 1: And I'm trolling myself by wearing no pants now under

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Speaker 1: my sea through sparkling.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit your seat through sparkly skirt is not

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Speaker 3: unlike Jennifer Lawrence's.

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Speaker 5: Look who just don't get me started on Jennifer Laurence.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's get you started on that.

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Speaker 5: She's my winner of the no pants Award?

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Speaker 2: Is she? Let's start with the fashion because we all know, yes,

737
00:37:05,154 --> 00:37:08,834
Speaker 2: that me is the one who has feedback and actually

738
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Speaker 2: just this is the first time in the flesh I've

739
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Speaker 2: seen the glimmers in your hair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got tinsel. Did you get a professionally yes,

741
00:37:17,074 --> 00:37:20,834
Speaker 1: out loud hairdresser. No, guys, it's in like if you

742
00:37:20,914 --> 00:37:22,114
Speaker 1: feel it's.

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Speaker 3: Actually it's like an extension, but it's tinsel, correct.

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Speaker 1: I did it before Christmas?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got quite a very nice it's fun. I

746
00:37:29,034 --> 00:37:32,674
Speaker 2: think Red carpet ready, Yeah, so let us you and

747
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Speaker 2: your tinsel hair. Tell us who looked great?

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Speaker 1: Well, if you need to know, one thing about the

749
00:37:37,354 --> 00:37:40,154
Speaker 1: red carpet is that it was pretty boring and everybody

750
00:37:40,194 --> 00:37:41,513
Speaker 1: was wearing black and white.

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00:37:41,754 --> 00:37:42,553
Speaker 2: It's a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Disappointing now that everybody in Hollywood has a stylist and

753
00:37:46,634 --> 00:37:52,154
Speaker 1: is you know, sucked and tucked and pinned and whatever

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00:37:52,274 --> 00:37:54,954
Speaker 1: to an inch of their life, So it all was

755
00:37:54,994 --> 00:37:57,954
Speaker 1: a little bit boring. Lots of strapless black and white.

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Speaker 1: The podcasters, which we'll get to in a second, they

757
00:38:00,674 --> 00:38:03,514
Speaker 1: were all playing it down. Yeah, they were all dressed

758
00:38:03,794 --> 00:38:06,873
Speaker 1: very discreete Mel Robins, Alex Cooper both in just black

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00:38:06,914 --> 00:38:09,593
Speaker 1: Sea Quinn's Very Forgettable, which was I think the right move.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting you say that because I thought that Alex Cooper,

761
00:38:13,914 --> 00:38:16,194
Speaker 2: who is of course the host of Call Her Daddy,

762
00:38:16,794 --> 00:38:18,913
Speaker 2: I thought she was copying me a freedman, because you

763
00:38:18,954 --> 00:38:21,473
Speaker 2: remember when Mia went to the logis last year and

764
00:38:21,514 --> 00:38:22,993
Speaker 2: she had a whole what the hell do I Wear?

765
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Speaker 2: And then when she was going to your wedding when

766
00:38:25,954 --> 00:38:28,394
Speaker 2: she did a whole what do I Wear? Alex Cooper

767
00:38:28,434 --> 00:38:31,913
Speaker 2: has been auditioning dresses on her Instagram for what to

768
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Speaker 2: Wear four days, if not weeks, and she wore the

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Speaker 2: black Guccie that she said was the first time she'd

770
00:38:38,154 --> 00:38:40,913
Speaker 2: got her boobs out in ages, So I think she

771
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Speaker 2: thought she was bringing.

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Speaker 3: Them to I know what you mean, though, It's like

773
00:38:44,114 --> 00:38:46,473
Speaker 3: the podcast is at the first year that they're coming along.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to kind of steal the show.

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Speaker 5: They were none of them were main character.

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Speaker 1: Even Amy Poehler, who has hosted the Golden Globes one

777
00:38:52,954 --> 00:38:55,553
Speaker 1: of the best hosts of all time with Tina Fey

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years. She was just wearing like

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00:38:58,314 --> 00:39:00,873
Speaker 1: black wide legged pants and her white top.

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00:39:00,994 --> 00:39:01,714
Speaker 4: She's so cool.

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00:39:01,954 --> 00:39:05,154
Speaker 2: She's trying to be taken seriously, do you think that's

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Speaker 2: what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: I think they just know that they're sort of guests

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00:39:08,474 --> 00:39:12,154
Speaker 1: at this party. It's not really they're like, yeah, they're

785
00:39:12,234 --> 00:39:13,354
Speaker 1: sort of you know, I've.

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00:39:13,274 --> 00:39:15,634
Speaker 4: Felt very much like I don't think they wanted to

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Speaker 4: be turned into memes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. But it's funny because I was

789
00:39:19,474 --> 00:39:21,594
Speaker 2: saying before the show today that it felt so right

790
00:39:21,674 --> 00:39:24,794
Speaker 2: that those people were there, Like Alex Cooper is one

791
00:39:24,794 --> 00:39:26,754
Speaker 2: of the biggest stars in the world these days, and

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Speaker 2: Yew Robbins is one of the most listened to people.

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00:39:29,074 --> 00:39:31,594
Speaker 2: And the others are actually movie stars like that, Will

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00:39:31,674 --> 00:39:33,674
Speaker 2: dagh Shepard not quite a movie star, let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: But Jason Bateman, Yeah, Christian, it sort of felt right

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Speaker 2: that they were there. I was quite excited to see them.

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Speaker 3: I have two favorite looks. Like I'm not an expert,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm talking about So I just

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Speaker 3: want Lea to comment, Yeah, my first one. I liked

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Speaker 3: Emma Stone in her butter yellow. Did you say that

801
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Speaker 3: it was like she had a bit of tummy showing.

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00:39:53,354 --> 00:39:54,473
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think she looked great.

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Speaker 1: My biggest let's just get this out of the way,

804
00:39:58,634 --> 00:40:02,714
Speaker 1: the use of weight loss medication that may or may

805
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Speaker 1: not be happening. There was a lot of skinny, a

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Speaker 1: lot of very skinny arm on the red carpet, like

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Speaker 1: everybody has definitely shrunk.

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Speaker 3: It's almost hard to get your head around the clothes

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Speaker 3: because everyone's bodies look exactly.

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Speaker 1: What I found myself doing, which I hated, was I

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Speaker 1: found that in real time, my beauty standards were being adjusted,

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00:40:22,634 --> 00:40:26,394
Speaker 1: so that because you were seeing underweight, underweight, underweight, underweight underweight,

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00:40:26,554 --> 00:40:31,593
Speaker 1: anyone that was just like normal weight looked out of place,

814
00:40:32,194 --> 00:40:34,474
Speaker 1: well notable anyway. So the other thing that was a

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Speaker 1: bit disconcerting is how Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone just

816
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Speaker 1: don't look like themselves.

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Speaker 3: They don't and they're my age, like, they're my contemporaries

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00:40:42,994 --> 00:40:45,554
Speaker 3: who I look towards, and they don't their faces.

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Speaker 5: It's weird when young and they're both younger than your kids.

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Speaker 3: In the last few years. So I'm like, hey, gals,

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Speaker 3: like we're all part of the same group. And then

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Speaker 3: I look at them and go, I don't look like that, Jennifer, don't.

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Speaker 5: I just agree.

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Speaker 1: I thought Jennifer Lawrence looked like a Victoria's Secret model.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know who was my favorite look.

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Speaker 3: That was my second favorite look, Jennifer Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: I loved it because she was completely skinny and wearing

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a really cool dress.

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Speaker 4: It was a cool dress, white, like the makeup, the

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Speaker 4: whole look.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the movie stars have ever looked like us, Jesse.

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Speaker 2: That's not the point of them, is it?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: I was watching an old Jennifer Lawrence movie the other

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Speaker 2: day and was reminded of how unbelievably good looking she

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Speaker 2: is and always always been. Yeah, I don't think that

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Speaker 2: was suddenly going to change, because.

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Speaker 5: She was not like a filtered Instagram picture. Anyway. I

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Speaker 5: don't want to be negative. Can it's my first day back.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would like to be negative and tell you

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Speaker 3: my least favorite look. Okay, Jennifer Lopez, I can hate it.

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00:41:39,914 --> 00:41:44,634
Speaker 3: It was so too describe it, describe it. I just

843
00:41:44,834 --> 00:41:47,913
Speaker 3: know that I nearly saw her pubes if she had any,

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00:41:48,034 --> 00:41:49,794
Speaker 3: which she doesn't, so I guess I nearly saw a flap.

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Speaker 3: It was like down like it was kind of mesh

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00:41:53,354 --> 00:41:56,154
Speaker 3: round lace, but round lace, and then kind of spaces.

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00:41:56,594 --> 00:41:59,073
Speaker 3: Just heavy on the brain. I know when I hate.

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Speaker 2: It's why I always want to ask me out, like

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Speaker 2: what would you have put them in? Jayla's going to Jaylo.

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00:42:05,474 --> 00:42:07,474
Speaker 2: She's going to wear power glass, She's going to do

851
00:42:07,594 --> 00:42:09,794
Speaker 2: that stuff. Yeah, she's going to show some flesh. She

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00:42:09,914 --> 00:42:14,194
Speaker 2: ain't never coming in like a prairie collar. Would you

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Speaker 2: have to know?

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Speaker 5: Do you know funny?

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00:42:17,314 --> 00:42:20,674
Speaker 1: Well, obviously, do you know what's funny about this video

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00:42:20,794 --> 00:42:23,594
Speaker 1: age that we're in. You can see and watching the

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Speaker 1: Red Carpet live and then also watching all the reels

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00:42:26,914 --> 00:42:30,553
Speaker 1: now of celebrities that you'll see on social you get

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00:42:30,674 --> 00:42:33,594
Speaker 1: to see how the sausage is made and it's not pretty.

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Speaker 5: So by that, I mean you get.

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Speaker 1: To see what they have to do to pose for

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00:42:38,754 --> 00:42:41,634
Speaker 1: the still picture. So as part of the role of

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00:42:41,674 --> 00:42:45,594
Speaker 1: a stylist is you have to show the celebrity how

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Speaker 1: to pose in this particular dress on this particular carpet.

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00:42:49,234 --> 00:42:51,754
Speaker 1: And the stakes will raised this year because they did stairs,

866
00:42:52,954 --> 00:42:54,354
Speaker 1: like the met which they took a leaf out of

867
00:42:54,394 --> 00:42:56,834
Speaker 1: the met color and they went, let's do stairs. So

868
00:42:57,514 --> 00:42:59,634
Speaker 1: what was really funny the pictures that you'll see if

869
00:42:59,634 --> 00:43:01,794
Speaker 1: you look at a photo, everyone will look immaculate and

870
00:43:01,914 --> 00:43:03,994
Speaker 1: standing in a certain way and holding their arms in

871
00:43:04,034 --> 00:43:06,274
Speaker 1: a certain way. But then when you watch them trying

872
00:43:06,314 --> 00:43:10,274
Speaker 1: to get up the stairs, like Jennifer couldn't actually even

873
00:43:10,394 --> 00:43:12,473
Speaker 1: walk and couldn't get up the stairs, but you would

874
00:43:12,474 --> 00:43:15,434
Speaker 1: expect nothing less from j Lo, Like it's like a

875
00:43:15,554 --> 00:43:18,994
Speaker 1: masterclass in watching the way she arranges herself on the

876
00:43:19,074 --> 00:43:20,993
Speaker 1: red carpet. Like a lot of them were like one

877
00:43:21,114 --> 00:43:23,634
Speaker 1: foot twisted around the other and then they'd turn and

878
00:43:23,714 --> 00:43:24,954
Speaker 1: then they'd give face and.

879
00:43:25,514 --> 00:43:27,834
Speaker 2: They should have a stir lift. That would be awesome

880
00:43:27,874 --> 00:43:33,954
Speaker 2: if they had a stair lift up to that just

881
00:43:34,034 --> 00:43:35,714
Speaker 2: makes some pretty side like.

882
00:43:37,994 --> 00:43:40,553
Speaker 3: So a lot, as they say, a lot of cunt

883
00:43:40,714 --> 00:43:45,794
Speaker 3: was being served. Ah, it's a compliment, Holly. I know

884
00:43:45,874 --> 00:43:48,594
Speaker 3: you have big feelings about the podcast category. I do

885
00:43:49,114 --> 00:43:51,634
Speaker 3: talk to us about how you felt it when.

886
00:43:51,954 --> 00:43:55,474
Speaker 2: Mostly because we weren't nominated. And then Jesse said to me,

887
00:43:56,034 --> 00:43:58,034
Speaker 2: do you think the Logis will have a podcast category

888
00:43:58,114 --> 00:43:59,874
Speaker 2: this year? And I was like, yes, they're bloody well short,

889
00:44:00,674 --> 00:44:02,993
Speaker 2: and then I could do one of those what shall

890
00:44:03,034 --> 00:44:03,474
Speaker 2: I wear.

891
00:44:07,114 --> 00:44:11,873
Speaker 4: To start some lobbying lobby, Yes, lobby group, because what

892
00:44:11,914 --> 00:44:13,354
Speaker 4: if we don't get nominated.

893
00:44:16,594 --> 00:44:17,874
Speaker 5: We're not embarrassed to strive.

894
00:44:18,074 --> 00:44:20,754
Speaker 3: I'd rather it never happen. Then it happened in US,

895
00:44:20,754 --> 00:44:22,314
Speaker 3: could not get nominated, I would.

896
00:44:23,874 --> 00:44:26,914
Speaker 2: So I hope, I hope the load is organizers are listening.

897
00:44:26,994 --> 00:44:29,274
Speaker 2: But anyway, so this is the first time that podcasts

898
00:44:29,274 --> 00:44:31,393
Speaker 2: have ever been nominated, if anything like this, and it's

899
00:44:31,434 --> 00:44:33,594
Speaker 2: also the year that podcasts are moving into screens in

900
00:44:33,634 --> 00:44:35,234
Speaker 2: a big way. Podcasts are going to be on Netflix

901
00:44:35,314 --> 00:44:38,834
Speaker 2: this year, et cetera. So Amy Pohler's Good Hang was nominated,

902
00:44:38,914 --> 00:44:43,034
Speaker 2: Dax Shepherd's Armchair Expert was nominated, Mel Robin's Biggest Podcast

903
00:44:43,074 --> 00:44:46,194
Speaker 2: in the World was nominated. First by MPR was nominated,

904
00:44:46,234 --> 00:44:49,234
Speaker 2: and SmartLess was nominated. So SmartLess is hosted by three

905
00:44:49,314 --> 00:44:51,794
Speaker 2: movie stars. As discussed to Amy Pohler is a movie star,

906
00:44:52,194 --> 00:44:55,354
Speaker 2: Dax is obviously married to a movie star, Amy polar One.

907
00:44:55,634 --> 00:44:57,554
Speaker 2: Now that might have been a bit galling for the

908
00:44:57,634 --> 00:44:59,754
Speaker 2: others because of the shows that is the newest. It

909
00:44:59,954 --> 00:45:02,594
Speaker 2: only launched in April last year. We all knew it

910
00:45:02,674 --> 00:45:04,913
Speaker 2: was going to win that or definitely, because I think

911
00:45:05,074 --> 00:45:07,473
Speaker 2: it's met its moment in terms of the whole thing

912
00:45:07,594 --> 00:45:09,634
Speaker 2: of Amy Polar shows. It's just a good hang, it's

913
00:45:09,674 --> 00:45:11,714
Speaker 2: a good vibe. It's happiness in a difficult world. Blah

914
00:45:11,714 --> 00:45:14,354
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah, and everybody wants that these days.

915
00:45:14,474 --> 00:45:18,473
Speaker 1: And it's basically the celebrity interview softball show.

916
00:45:18,714 --> 00:45:20,834
Speaker 5: So Gwyneth Paltrow was on last week.

917
00:45:21,514 --> 00:45:24,514
Speaker 1: She sort of warmed up, not slowly but like I

918
00:45:24,634 --> 00:45:26,873
Speaker 1: guess you would not even B list, but like a

919
00:45:27,074 --> 00:45:31,674
Speaker 1: minus list. She's now clearly it's on the schedule of

920
00:45:31,754 --> 00:45:35,554
Speaker 1: everyone promoting anything because you go there, no hard questions

921
00:45:35,554 --> 00:45:35,994
Speaker 1: are asked.

922
00:45:36,354 --> 00:45:37,154
Speaker 2: It is a good hang.

923
00:45:37,274 --> 00:45:39,034
Speaker 3: You know what the other difference is is that it

924
00:45:39,154 --> 00:45:41,634
Speaker 3: was the first I'm going to use the word television

925
00:45:41,714 --> 00:45:45,994
Speaker 3: loosely television first podcast correct, So that came out and

926
00:45:46,594 --> 00:45:50,154
Speaker 3: established itself as video first. It was what everyone has

927
00:45:50,234 --> 00:45:51,634
Speaker 3: had on in the background.

928
00:45:51,714 --> 00:45:53,914
Speaker 1: I think it's like, and you can tell, it's funny

929
00:45:53,954 --> 00:45:56,314
Speaker 1: you say have on in the background because it's not

930
00:45:56,434 --> 00:45:57,754
Speaker 1: a great audio experience.

931
00:45:57,794 --> 00:45:58,834
Speaker 5: Oh it's not a good podcast.

932
00:45:58,874 --> 00:45:59,834
Speaker 4: I watch it on my TV.

933
00:46:00,154 --> 00:46:02,074
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like it. I'm on the record of

934
00:46:02,114 --> 00:46:04,714
Speaker 2: saying I really like it, but I do listen to podcasts,

935
00:46:04,754 --> 00:46:06,834
Speaker 2: and I find that one of the more difficult ones

936
00:46:07,194 --> 00:46:10,234
Speaker 2: to listen to. It also must be a bit galling, because,

937
00:46:10,354 --> 00:46:12,993
Speaker 2: as out louders know, I'm a Dax girl and I've

938
00:46:13,114 --> 00:46:15,114
Speaker 2: listened to every one of those people go on Dax's

939
00:46:15,154 --> 00:46:21,474
Speaker 2: podcast to launch their podcast. So she had Amy on,

940
00:46:21,874 --> 00:46:25,634
Speaker 2: he had Jason Bateman on, he had the Robinson. It's

941
00:46:25,714 --> 00:46:28,034
Speaker 2: quite funny and another fact that might have been just

942
00:46:28,114 --> 00:46:30,714
Speaker 2: a little bit galling for the podcast Bros. Because Amy

943
00:46:30,754 --> 00:46:32,634
Speaker 2: Pohla said. One of the things she said when she

944
00:46:32,834 --> 00:46:35,274
Speaker 2: was launching her show is she said, I'm tired of

945
00:46:35,354 --> 00:46:37,314
Speaker 2: men being rewarded for doing the bare minimum. So I

946
00:46:37,354 --> 00:46:38,834
Speaker 2: thought I'd do the bare minimum too.

947
00:46:39,634 --> 00:46:42,033
Speaker 3: But that should beat al Mantra on this show.

948
00:46:42,514 --> 00:46:46,354
Speaker 2: That is she also beat out SmartLess, which is the

949
00:46:46,554 --> 00:46:50,114
Speaker 2: show that has Jason Bateman, Will Arnette and Sean Hayes.

950
00:46:50,154 --> 00:46:51,594
Speaker 2: And will Arnette is her ex husband.

951
00:46:52,274 --> 00:46:53,393
Speaker 3: Were they together for a while.

952
00:46:53,754 --> 00:46:55,274
Speaker 2: They were he's the dad of her kids. So she

953
00:46:55,394 --> 00:46:59,073
Speaker 2: thanked her two kids in her speech, and he's their dad,

954
00:46:59,354 --> 00:47:00,994
Speaker 2: and he said on the red carpet, I think my

955
00:47:01,034 --> 00:47:02,634
Speaker 2: ex wife is going to beat me, and indeed he

956
00:47:02,874 --> 00:47:05,034
Speaker 2: was correct Ah that I like that.

957
00:47:05,154 --> 00:47:06,154
Speaker 3: There's a lot of pleasure in that.

958
00:47:06,274 --> 00:47:08,873
Speaker 2: She showed all the bros. But one of the things

959
00:47:08,914 --> 00:47:10,994
Speaker 2: I think is interesting about this a lot of these

960
00:47:10,994 --> 00:47:14,393
Speaker 2: people were already celebrities, as discussed, but it's turning podcasters

961
00:47:14,514 --> 00:47:17,834
Speaker 2: into celebrities in quite a new way. So I don't

962
00:47:17,834 --> 00:47:20,114
Speaker 2: think it's a coincidence that these days we see lots

963
00:47:20,114 --> 00:47:22,234
Speaker 2: of Dax Shepherd and Kristen Bell headlines in a way

964
00:47:22,234 --> 00:47:24,354
Speaker 2: that we did in a year ago, like Armchair Expert,

965
00:47:25,154 --> 00:47:27,994
Speaker 2: and podcasts being raised to this point has made those

966
00:47:28,034 --> 00:47:31,034
Speaker 2: people famous. Alex Cooper, all those guys. I think it's

967
00:47:31,074 --> 00:47:33,114
Speaker 2: really interesting. I think even Amy Pole is s littally

968
00:47:33,154 --> 00:47:34,994
Speaker 2: going to be getting a lot more attention than she

969
00:47:35,194 --> 00:47:38,274
Speaker 2: was before, so I think it's really interesting. I'm happy

970
00:47:38,354 --> 00:47:40,154
Speaker 2: that Amy Pohlar won, but as I say, I think

971
00:47:40,194 --> 00:47:42,594
Speaker 2: the others will be a bit like I knew Kid.

972
00:47:42,794 --> 00:47:44,674
Speaker 3: I listened to a podcast over the break that said

973
00:47:44,714 --> 00:47:49,234
Speaker 3: that podcasts are the new daytime television and late night television,

974
00:47:49,354 --> 00:47:50,754
Speaker 3: and I think that's very I love.

975
00:47:50,674 --> 00:47:53,634
Speaker 1: To talk about that more in a sub episode because

976
00:47:53,634 --> 00:47:57,114
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of thoughts about the move to video.

977
00:47:57,354 --> 00:48:01,234
Speaker 2: Could talk about that all we could the opening monologue,

978
00:48:01,954 --> 00:48:04,474
Speaker 2: that's what we need to talk about a bit, And

979
00:48:04,514 --> 00:48:06,874
Speaker 2: I went to see Nicki Guys alive some context.

980
00:48:07,634 --> 00:48:10,714
Speaker 1: Sorry, I've forgotten how this works. Nicki Glazer was the

981
00:48:10,794 --> 00:48:13,594
Speaker 1: host this year. She was a breakout star last year,

982
00:48:13,994 --> 00:48:19,234
Speaker 1: absolutely flawless, wall to wall, fantastic reviews. She prepares like

983
00:48:19,354 --> 00:48:24,194
Speaker 1: a mofo. So last year she did ninety five yeah

984
00:48:24,234 --> 00:48:26,074
Speaker 1: war shows where you go to little clubs and you

985
00:48:26,194 --> 00:48:28,794
Speaker 1: test your material. This year, I think she scaled back

986
00:48:28,834 --> 00:48:31,354
Speaker 1: to eighty five. And one of the interesting things she

987
00:48:31,354 --> 00:48:34,674
Speaker 1: said in an interview before the awards was one joke

988
00:48:34,754 --> 00:48:37,194
Speaker 1: she just couldn't land. Was a joke about Julia Roberts,

989
00:48:37,514 --> 00:48:37,993
Speaker 1: who was there.

990
00:48:38,114 --> 00:48:38,393
Speaker 2: She was a.

991
00:48:38,394 --> 00:48:41,674
Speaker 1: Nominations in the audience, and she said anytime she tried

992
00:48:41,714 --> 00:48:44,594
Speaker 1: to say anything about Julia Roberts, everyone would be like oh,

993
00:48:45,034 --> 00:48:47,794
Speaker 1: or they'd boom like she said, the audiences feel so

994
00:48:47,994 --> 00:48:50,714
Speaker 1: protective of Julia Roberts. So she said, I'm going to

995
00:48:50,834 --> 00:48:52,594
Speaker 1: land it though, like I'm going to find out what

996
00:48:52,714 --> 00:48:54,754
Speaker 1: the joke is and whole what was the joke?

997
00:48:55,234 --> 00:48:57,754
Speaker 2: The joke was literally her just saying I shouldn't be

998
00:48:57,794 --> 00:49:00,953
Speaker 2: in the same room as podcast podcast in the same

999
00:49:01,034 --> 00:49:03,074
Speaker 2: room and not should I or something like that. Julia

1000
00:49:03,154 --> 00:49:04,314
Speaker 2: Robert wasn't a great joke.

1001
00:49:04,514 --> 00:49:07,954
Speaker 4: No, the whole thing felt very like, I don't know,

1002
00:49:08,234 --> 00:49:10,553
Speaker 4: she didn't do as well as last year. I don't

1003
00:49:10,594 --> 00:49:12,394
Speaker 4: think she felt scared.

1004
00:49:12,634 --> 00:49:14,674
Speaker 2: But I think it's because she's on the inside now,

1005
00:49:14,794 --> 00:49:16,514
Speaker 2: not the outside, you know what I mean. Like so

1006
00:49:16,714 --> 00:49:20,474
Speaker 2: her like her friends now, her background is roasts. She

1007
00:49:20,874 --> 00:49:23,474
Speaker 2: so Nicki Glazer. I mean, she's a comedian obviously, but

1008
00:49:23,594 --> 00:49:25,873
Speaker 2: she used to do lots and lots of those celebrity roasts,

1009
00:49:25,954 --> 00:49:27,913
Speaker 2: so rolling with the big like, you know, with all

1010
00:49:27,954 --> 00:49:30,114
Speaker 2: those guys who are kind of down and dirty and

1011
00:49:30,234 --> 00:49:32,634
Speaker 2: really rude and fearless, and that was her and she

1012
00:49:32,754 --> 00:49:36,194
Speaker 2: brought that energy last year. But since then and before that,

1013
00:49:36,314 --> 00:49:39,034
Speaker 2: but certainly since then, she's become almost dayless herself. And

1014
00:49:39,074 --> 00:49:40,834
Speaker 2: she's friends with lots of these people. If you listen

1015
00:49:40,914 --> 00:49:42,794
Speaker 2: to the interviews with her, that's what she says, she's

1016
00:49:42,874 --> 00:49:43,714
Speaker 2: been on their podcast.

1017
00:49:43,994 --> 00:49:45,834
Speaker 3: You should be able to roast them harder if you mad.

1018
00:49:46,114 --> 00:49:47,954
Speaker 2: Well, what I noticed, and I'd love to know what

1019
00:49:47,994 --> 00:49:49,473
Speaker 2: you think about this, is that every time she told

1020
00:49:49,474 --> 00:49:51,873
Speaker 2: a joke that was nearly hard. She's like, I love you,

1021
00:49:51,954 --> 00:49:54,034
Speaker 2: I love you, I love you, I love you, And

1022
00:49:54,154 --> 00:49:55,953
Speaker 2: I wonder if if you say I love you enough,

1023
00:49:55,994 --> 00:49:56,993
Speaker 2: can you just say whatever you want.

1024
00:49:57,074 --> 00:49:58,954
Speaker 1: I think that's what she did last year, and I

1025
00:49:59,034 --> 00:50:01,194
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, I think he can. That's why I

1026
00:50:01,314 --> 00:50:04,913
Speaker 1: think it works because when Ricky Gervais, for example, used

1027
00:50:04,914 --> 00:50:08,074
Speaker 1: to host, he would be actively mean, and I think

1028
00:50:08,114 --> 00:50:10,714
Speaker 1: there was probably a lot of pushback from celebrities who

1029
00:50:10,714 --> 00:50:13,274
Speaker 1: were like, hey, we're coming here, We're sitting there where

1030
00:50:13,314 --> 00:50:15,554
Speaker 1: at work. Essentially, we don't need to be humiliated. This

1031
00:50:15,674 --> 00:50:18,954
Speaker 1: isn't very cool. So I wouldn't say she goes soft,

1032
00:50:19,074 --> 00:50:21,714
Speaker 1: but it was interesting. She did the predictable joke about

1033
00:50:21,874 --> 00:50:23,114
Speaker 1: Leonardo about.

1034
00:50:22,874 --> 00:50:24,274
Speaker 3: Thought that was the best way.

1035
00:50:24,354 --> 00:50:26,274
Speaker 2: I thought it was clever. Yeah, we've got it here.

1036
00:50:26,714 --> 00:50:30,554
Speaker 6: What what a career you've had. I mean, countless iconic performances,

1037
00:50:30,794 --> 00:50:34,634
Speaker 6: You've worked with every great director, You've won three Golden Globes,

1038
00:50:34,674 --> 00:50:37,074
Speaker 6: an Oscar, and the most impressive thing is that you

1039
00:50:37,154 --> 00:50:39,154
Speaker 6: were able to accomplish all of that before your girlfriend

1040
00:50:39,154 --> 00:50:39,674
Speaker 6: turned thirty.

1041
00:50:39,754 --> 00:50:44,194
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just insane, Leo.

1042
00:50:45,834 --> 00:50:46,993
Speaker 3: I'm sorry I made that joke.

1043
00:50:47,114 --> 00:50:47,994
Speaker 5: It's cheap, you know what.

1044
00:50:48,434 --> 00:50:51,354
Speaker 3: I tried not to, but like, we don't know anything

1045
00:50:51,394 --> 00:50:52,994
Speaker 3: else about you, man, Like there's.

1046
00:50:52,914 --> 00:50:54,473
Speaker 4: Nothing else like open up.

1047
00:50:55,474 --> 00:50:56,314
Speaker 1: I was serious.

1048
00:50:56,594 --> 00:50:57,993
Speaker 2: That's the better part of that joke.

1049
00:50:58,154 --> 00:51:01,194
Speaker 1: That was the clever And that's when Leo cracked up

1050
00:51:01,194 --> 00:51:03,433
Speaker 1: because you could see when she was talking, he knew

1051
00:51:03,474 --> 00:51:06,834
Speaker 1: what was coming. And then when she did that, which

1052
00:51:06,954 --> 00:51:09,754
Speaker 1: was a mean joke, but it was a clever joke.

1053
00:51:09,914 --> 00:51:12,873
Speaker 3: You know how Graham Norton has this incredible skill of

1054
00:51:12,914 --> 00:51:15,394
Speaker 3: anyone who sits on his couch, he makes them look funny.

1055
00:51:16,434 --> 00:51:19,034
Speaker 3: I felt as though that's what she did, even like

1056
00:51:19,114 --> 00:51:21,794
Speaker 3: the jokes that she made about Timothy Shalla May she

1057
00:51:21,994 --> 00:51:25,114
Speaker 3: threw to Martin Shawt and Steve Martin, she made them

1058
00:51:25,474 --> 00:51:27,354
Speaker 3: all look like they were in on the joke in

1059
00:51:27,434 --> 00:51:29,154
Speaker 3: a way that I found. I didn't feel like my

1060
00:51:29,194 --> 00:51:32,514
Speaker 3: body was tensing up. I quite enjoyed the warmth of

1061
00:51:32,554 --> 00:51:32,994
Speaker 3: that opening.

1062
00:51:33,034 --> 00:51:34,034
Speaker 4: So did you find it funny?

1063
00:51:34,354 --> 00:51:34,714
Speaker 1: I did?

1064
00:51:34,834 --> 00:51:36,953
Speaker 3: And I thought that the thing about the A list,

1065
00:51:37,154 --> 00:51:39,714
Speaker 3: as in, everyone is on a list, and it's the

1066
00:51:39,794 --> 00:51:41,794
Speaker 3: most heavily edited list.

1067
00:51:41,994 --> 00:51:43,994
Speaker 5: I'd had to ask someone to explain that joke to me.

1068
00:51:44,074 --> 00:51:45,314
Speaker 2: I didn't understand why.

1069
00:51:45,154 --> 00:51:46,954
Speaker 1: I was sitting with that producer Ruth, and I had

1070
00:51:46,994 --> 00:51:48,714
Speaker 1: to say, wait, I don't get it, because she laughed

1071
00:51:48,754 --> 00:51:49,994
Speaker 1: out loud and I'm like, wait.

1072
00:51:49,874 --> 00:51:51,674
Speaker 3: What it was about the Epstein list? And then I

1073
00:51:51,714 --> 00:51:54,074
Speaker 3: thought imagining the camera guy then deciding who you paid.

1074
00:51:54,154 --> 00:51:58,234
Speaker 2: Oh, they panned to Bill Maher because I was right

1075
00:51:58,354 --> 00:52:01,274
Speaker 2: now talk to her home podcaster Bill Maher will be

1076
00:52:01,394 --> 00:52:04,314
Speaker 2: right now calling his agent and getting really craggy about that,

1077
00:52:04,394 --> 00:52:05,873
Speaker 2: because I was like, who do you pan to?

1078
00:52:06,154 --> 00:52:06,354
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1079
00:52:06,434 --> 00:52:09,674
Speaker 2: The jokes that actually made me laugh out loud was

1080
00:52:09,834 --> 00:52:11,754
Speaker 2: just the one where she talked about Wicked and she

1081
00:52:11,834 --> 00:52:14,433
Speaker 2: said the sequel this year Wicked for money. That made

1082
00:52:14,514 --> 00:52:18,834
Speaker 2: me that was you could see Ariana was a bit

1083
00:52:18,914 --> 00:52:21,513
Speaker 2: like oh yeah, and she knew she could dig into

1084
00:52:21,554 --> 00:52:21,834
Speaker 2: a friend.

1085
00:52:21,874 --> 00:52:25,114
Speaker 4: She dug into Kevin Hart. But I've noticed like last

1086
00:52:25,194 --> 00:52:27,274
Speaker 4: year compared to her last year monologue, which I find

1087
00:52:27,314 --> 00:52:29,274
Speaker 4: with a lot of hosts who do the Oscars or

1088
00:52:29,274 --> 00:52:31,873
Speaker 4: Golden Globes, it's like you're either doing the monologue for

1089
00:52:32,194 --> 00:52:33,474
Speaker 4: the people in the room or you're doing it for

1090
00:52:33,554 --> 00:52:35,873
Speaker 4: the audience watching at home. Yes, and last year was

1091
00:52:36,114 --> 00:52:37,434
Speaker 4: at home, and it felt like this year she was

1092
00:52:37,474 --> 00:52:38,594
Speaker 4: trying to get that balance.

1093
00:52:38,674 --> 00:52:41,194
Speaker 2: That's so interesting it.

1094
00:52:41,594 --> 00:52:43,914
Speaker 4: I feel like as an audience person, I wasn't enjoying

1095
00:52:43,914 --> 00:52:45,873
Speaker 4: it as much as last year. She felt like she

1096
00:52:45,994 --> 00:52:47,393
Speaker 4: was very much playing for the room.

1097
00:52:47,514 --> 00:52:49,674
Speaker 3: But I think the after party will be very warm

1098
00:52:49,754 --> 00:52:51,914
Speaker 3: to her. Yeah, I think she'll have a great time.

1099
00:52:51,794 --> 00:52:53,594
Speaker 2: Because they say one of the reasons it's the hardest

1100
00:52:53,674 --> 00:52:56,834
Speaker 2: jobs in Hollywood is because it's a cold room because

1101
00:52:56,874 --> 00:52:58,794
Speaker 2: nobody likes you in the room when you're doing it.

1102
00:52:58,954 --> 00:53:00,473
Speaker 2: So if you play to the room, you get them

1103
00:53:00,554 --> 00:53:00,994
Speaker 2: to like you.

1104
00:53:01,194 --> 00:53:03,553
Speaker 1: But yeah, and so the only thing is I'll say

1105
00:53:03,594 --> 00:53:07,393
Speaker 1: about the ceremony, which was just a bit rose burn.

1106
00:53:07,594 --> 00:53:11,034
Speaker 3: Yeah, ye are will desperate to go and see that. Yes,

1107
00:53:11,194 --> 00:53:11,674
Speaker 3: moving out.

1108
00:53:11,714 --> 00:53:15,553
Speaker 1: If I had legs, I kickqust Her dress bright green.

1109
00:53:15,794 --> 00:53:17,593
Speaker 5: She was pretty much the only one that wore a color.

1110
00:53:17,714 --> 00:53:20,194
Speaker 3: It's on Disney. I looked it up because I need

1111
00:53:20,274 --> 00:53:22,834
Speaker 3: to be I thought it was the movies great it

1112
00:53:22,914 --> 00:53:26,194
Speaker 3: came out end of last year. But yeah, so that's Disney.

1113
00:53:26,994 --> 00:53:28,194
Speaker 5: She's my favorite actress.

1114
00:53:28,234 --> 00:53:29,794
Speaker 2: Surrey's so funny.

1115
00:53:29,754 --> 00:53:31,234
Speaker 5: She's very very She's not funny in this.

1116
00:53:31,914 --> 00:53:33,314
Speaker 4: I thought it was a comedy of drama.

1117
00:53:33,474 --> 00:53:37,314
Speaker 2: Oh shit, my boyfriend Timothy, he's not really my boyfriend.

1118
00:53:37,314 --> 00:53:40,154
Speaker 2: That would be an appropriately goblin the goblin shoe.

1119
00:53:40,274 --> 00:53:41,874
Speaker 4: Did you hear the scream?

1120
00:53:42,154 --> 00:53:44,314
Speaker 2: Yes, here's a shoe in for the Oscar.

1121
00:53:44,394 --> 00:53:45,634
Speaker 1: Now I got in.

1122
00:53:46,394 --> 00:53:48,993
Speaker 2: But Jesse is the only person at this table who's

1123
00:53:48,994 --> 00:53:50,953
Speaker 2: seen that film because it doesn't come out for another

1124
00:53:50,994 --> 00:53:52,834
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. Is it good?

1125
00:53:53,154 --> 00:53:57,834
Speaker 3: He's so good, He's so good. So that movie, I

1126
00:53:58,034 --> 00:54:01,274
Speaker 3: will say, is very unusual, very long. It goes for

1127
00:54:01,274 --> 00:54:04,274
Speaker 3: two and a half hours. MEA, you'd hate it, Holly,

1128
00:54:04,474 --> 00:54:06,873
Speaker 3: you might love it. In it exactly. Gwyneth is in it,

1129
00:54:06,954 --> 00:54:12,794
Speaker 3: and whenneth brilliant performance lovely, I believed the chemistry in

1130
00:54:12,874 --> 00:54:15,154
Speaker 3: a way I didn't with Anne Hathaway and Zac Efron

1131
00:54:15,634 --> 00:54:16,954
Speaker 3: or Nicole Kidman and.

1132
00:54:17,314 --> 00:54:19,714
Speaker 5: The whole oh you're talking about?

1133
00:54:21,034 --> 00:54:24,834
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this this absolutely And I think it's because

1134
00:54:24,834 --> 00:54:29,234
Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow actually looks her age see her. No, but

1135
00:54:29,354 --> 00:54:33,114
Speaker 3: you see Timothy's bum and it's an unusual bottom.

1136
00:54:33,394 --> 00:54:35,794
Speaker 5: I ask that because do you think it was a

1137
00:54:35,834 --> 00:54:36,274
Speaker 5: stunt bum?

1138
00:54:36,754 --> 00:54:39,794
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't. It was the first thing I goog

1139
00:54:40,674 --> 00:54:44,433
Speaker 3: He wanted his own bum in it. There's a very

1140
00:54:44,514 --> 00:54:46,514
Speaker 3: unusual scene involving his bum. I think he did a

1141
00:54:46,554 --> 00:54:47,634
Speaker 3: lot of ping pong practice.

1142
00:54:47,674 --> 00:54:48,554
Speaker 5: That's unusual about.

1143
00:54:49,994 --> 00:54:50,354
Speaker 3: The crack.

1144
00:54:50,434 --> 00:54:50,514
Speaker 2: Oh.

1145
00:54:50,554 --> 00:54:52,674
Speaker 3: I don't want to shame anyone, but the crack starts

1146
00:54:52,834 --> 00:54:53,553
Speaker 3: so low.

1147
00:54:53,714 --> 00:54:57,274
Speaker 2: Oh bless him. I love the thing about Timothy is

1148
00:54:57,314 --> 00:54:59,274
Speaker 2: we can di as much as we like he. That

1149
00:54:59,394 --> 00:55:02,274
Speaker 2: movie's a hit. It's very very hard to have a hit.

1150
00:55:02,354 --> 00:55:06,314
Speaker 2: It's an art house movie. It has opened hugely. People

1151
00:55:06,634 --> 00:55:09,314
Speaker 2: love him. He has cross generational appeal. It's so interesting,

1152
00:55:09,914 --> 00:55:10,474
Speaker 2: real acting.

1153
00:55:10,594 --> 00:55:13,274
Speaker 1: He needed it to be a hit because I can't

1154
00:55:13,314 --> 00:55:15,194
Speaker 1: remember why, and he worked really hard.

1155
00:55:15,234 --> 00:55:17,354
Speaker 2: But he does for everything. But they say that he's

1156
00:55:17,434 --> 00:55:19,794
Speaker 2: the only jen Z actor who can open a film.

1157
00:55:20,314 --> 00:55:21,074
Speaker 2: Him and Zendaya.

1158
00:55:21,634 --> 00:55:23,234
Speaker 5: I would now add to that list.

1159
00:55:23,754 --> 00:55:25,873
Speaker 1: The reason I asked a back when it's bum is

1160
00:55:25,954 --> 00:55:27,794
Speaker 1: that two other bums that I spent a lot of

1161
00:55:27,834 --> 00:55:29,714
Speaker 1: time with over the break, we're going to be talking

1162
00:55:29,754 --> 00:55:32,953
Speaker 1: about it in a subs episode later this week. Connor

1163
00:55:32,994 --> 00:55:36,434
Speaker 1: Story and Hudson Williams from Heated Rivalry they presented together.

1164
00:55:36,674 --> 00:55:38,434
Speaker 5: Yep, I have a couple of notes.

1165
00:55:38,554 --> 00:55:39,393
Speaker 2: It was a good joke.

1166
00:55:40,114 --> 00:55:42,593
Speaker 1: It started off as a good joke. So they came

1167
00:55:42,714 --> 00:55:45,994
Speaker 1: on and Connor's story was like, oh my god, I

1168
00:55:46,034 --> 00:55:49,474
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm here, Like almost pantomime acting yeah, like,

1169
00:55:49,634 --> 00:55:51,514
Speaker 1: oh in this big room, which is true, like they

1170
00:55:51,594 --> 00:55:53,593
Speaker 1: have had six weeks ago. I think they were still

1171
00:55:54,034 --> 00:55:57,274
Speaker 1: waiting tables. Yeah, and now they are like the biggest

1172
00:55:57,274 --> 00:55:57,993
Speaker 1: stars in the world.

1173
00:55:58,354 --> 00:55:59,114
Speaker 5: Oh, sorry, the joke.

1174
00:55:59,234 --> 00:56:00,714
Speaker 2: Tell the joke. How that was the joke. That was

1175
00:56:00,834 --> 00:56:03,634
Speaker 2: very funny as they said, you've all seen he did rivalry, right,

1176
00:56:03,674 --> 00:56:06,554
Speaker 2: and the room kind of went because they're probably a

1177
00:56:06,594 --> 00:56:09,114
Speaker 2: lot of ailas they who think that's a bit beneath me. Yeah,

1178
00:56:09,314 --> 00:56:11,434
Speaker 2: but then they said, we'll take that as a maybe

1179
00:56:11,514 --> 00:56:13,514
Speaker 2: he said, And then he said, but your trainers have,

1180
00:56:13,714 --> 00:56:15,393
Speaker 2: and your moms have and your daughters have.

1181
00:56:15,594 --> 00:56:18,913
Speaker 5: That was a good joke, but what did you think more?

1182
00:56:18,954 --> 00:56:21,874
Speaker 4: Then they panted. Jeremy Allen White, it was just clapping.

1183
00:56:24,434 --> 00:56:25,473
Speaker 5: Took the joke too long.

1184
00:56:25,634 --> 00:56:26,433
Speaker 2: It was too long.

1185
00:56:26,594 --> 00:56:29,194
Speaker 4: I could tell even though they were acting nervous, they

1186
00:56:29,314 --> 00:56:32,794
Speaker 4: genuinely were nervous. Yeah, because they were just they just

1187
00:56:32,914 --> 00:56:35,393
Speaker 4: looked scared, and then they just like felt safety in

1188
00:56:35,474 --> 00:56:37,274
Speaker 4: that joke. So they just kept that bid going for

1189
00:56:37,354 --> 00:56:39,914
Speaker 4: a bit too long. Yeah, by nomination, And then it

1190
00:56:39,994 --> 00:56:41,794
Speaker 4: got a bit cringe, like we were all excited in

1191
00:56:41,874 --> 00:56:44,794
Speaker 4: the office and clapping and cheating and then we were like, oh,

1192
00:56:45,274 --> 00:56:46,474
Speaker 4: don't it's cringe.

1193
00:56:46,554 --> 00:56:47,194
Speaker 5: Stop stop.

1194
00:56:47,434 --> 00:56:51,314
Speaker 3: It was a shame that Sarah Snook and Jacob Alordi

1195
00:56:51,474 --> 00:56:54,913
Speaker 3: both didn't win, and that one battle after another which

1196
00:56:54,994 --> 00:56:56,154
Speaker 3: was a box office flop.

1197
00:56:56,274 --> 00:56:58,194
Speaker 5: I tried to watch that over the break.

1198
00:56:58,514 --> 00:56:59,074
Speaker 2: Would you like it?

1199
00:56:59,154 --> 00:57:01,314
Speaker 5: A little bit strange? Didn't get very far, but that's

1200
00:57:01,474 --> 00:57:02,234
Speaker 5: surely standing up.

1201
00:57:02,274 --> 00:57:04,994
Speaker 2: I will definitely watch it, but yeah, not a big

1202
00:57:05,034 --> 00:57:07,714
Speaker 2: box office. That's why it's kind of interesting that the

1203
00:57:07,834 --> 00:57:11,514
Speaker 2: Charla Maae can open a movie that are the biggest

1204
00:57:11,714 --> 00:57:14,033
Speaker 2: directors in the world all those things like these days,

1205
00:57:14,114 --> 00:57:16,034
Speaker 2: like it might make its money back on streaming.

1206
00:57:16,194 --> 00:57:18,314
Speaker 1: Oh my best dressed, which no one asked me for,

1207
00:57:19,394 --> 00:57:22,234
Speaker 1: was the woman from Pluribus. I think her name's Ria Seahorn.

1208
00:57:22,554 --> 00:57:27,634
Speaker 1: She won category. She's like a gen X woman and

1209
00:57:27,754 --> 00:57:30,874
Speaker 1: she was wearing an incredible gold dress with a backwards

1210
00:57:30,954 --> 00:57:33,474
Speaker 1: necklace like that was choker at the front and went

1211
00:57:33,554 --> 00:57:36,514
Speaker 1: down her back. She was amazing. I feel like her

1212
00:57:36,594 --> 00:57:38,994
Speaker 1: name's familiar to me. But again, I tried to watch Pluribus.

1213
00:57:39,074 --> 00:57:41,474
Speaker 1: Didn't get very far too it, but a lot of

1214
00:57:41,514 --> 00:57:42,114
Speaker 1: people liked it.

1215
00:57:42,954 --> 00:57:43,514
Speaker 2: Did you like it?

1216
00:57:43,634 --> 00:57:43,874
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1217
00:57:44,274 --> 00:57:46,954
Speaker 3: And also a special shout out to one of the

1218
00:57:46,994 --> 00:57:49,594
Speaker 3: best shows of twenty twenty five, which was of course adolescent. Yes,

1219
00:57:50,674 --> 00:57:54,034
Speaker 3: that clean up was very satisfying, and that little boy

1220
00:57:54,074 --> 00:57:55,594
Speaker 3: looked very cute andys at all suit.

1221
00:57:55,834 --> 00:57:59,234
Speaker 2: It's always entertaining for English people because the English people

1222
00:57:59,314 --> 00:58:02,154
Speaker 2: at those American Awards shows are so different. They look different,

1223
00:58:02,234 --> 00:58:03,794
Speaker 2: they sound different, they say different.

1224
00:58:04,314 --> 00:58:07,434
Speaker 3: It's very Graham was actually smiling with the like it

1225
00:58:07,514 --> 00:58:08,674
Speaker 3: was really stoked to be there.

1226
00:58:08,714 --> 00:58:10,474
Speaker 5: And last year it was baby Reindeer, wasn't it.

1227
00:58:11,114 --> 00:58:14,834
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you see speaking about things that a party

1228
00:58:14,874 --> 00:58:16,354
Speaker 2: at the back. You were just saying the necklace? Did

1229
00:58:16,394 --> 00:58:17,914
Speaker 2: you see what Tianda Taylor was wearing?

1230
00:58:18,514 --> 00:58:19,354
Speaker 4: So she turned around.

1231
00:58:19,554 --> 00:58:22,594
Speaker 2: She won and she was genuinely shocked that she won,

1232
00:58:23,034 --> 00:58:24,834
Speaker 2: and she got up and she made a very cute speech.

1233
00:58:24,874 --> 00:58:26,354
Speaker 2: It was just like, I hope my kids are off

1234
00:58:26,354 --> 00:58:29,594
Speaker 2: their fucking phones and watching. But she said as soon

1235
00:58:29,634 --> 00:58:31,394
Speaker 2: as she got up there she was like party at

1236
00:58:31,394 --> 00:58:33,314
Speaker 2: the back. She turned around, she had the full bedazzled

1237
00:58:33,314 --> 00:58:35,554
Speaker 2: g string poking out the little bow.

1238
00:58:36,714 --> 00:58:37,594
Speaker 4: It looked really nice.

1239
00:58:38,714 --> 00:58:41,514
Speaker 2: She made sure everybody saw that she actually had a

1240
00:58:41,554 --> 00:58:44,394
Speaker 2: busy year because she was also in All's Fair, that

1241
00:58:45,194 --> 00:58:48,954
Speaker 2: appalling Kim Kutashin show that there were a lot of amazing.

1242
00:58:51,434 --> 00:58:52,714
Speaker 5: But obviously did very, very well.

1243
00:58:53,234 --> 00:58:55,834
Speaker 1: And I thought another best dressed was one of Tiana

1244
00:58:55,954 --> 00:58:57,754
Speaker 1: Taylor's co stars, Chas Infinity.

1245
00:58:57,834 --> 00:58:58,714
Speaker 5: Best name in the whole world.

1246
00:58:59,114 --> 00:59:02,794
Speaker 1: Chase Infinity wore like I can't even describe it, but

1247
00:59:03,154 --> 00:59:04,474
Speaker 1: she looked phenomenal.

1248
00:59:04,994 --> 00:59:06,634
Speaker 2: Sounds like a Marvel superhero.

1249
00:59:06,754 --> 00:59:10,794
Speaker 4: I also need to shout out Sinners. Oh yes, so hot,

1250
00:59:10,954 --> 00:59:11,514
Speaker 4: so hot.

1251
00:59:11,594 --> 00:59:11,954
Speaker 5: Michael B.

1252
00:59:12,074 --> 00:59:14,634
Speaker 2: Jordan. Micky Glazer did do a dirty joke about him

1253
00:59:14,714 --> 00:59:15,314
Speaker 2: that was very fun.

1254
00:59:15,434 --> 00:59:20,194
Speaker 1: Actually there were two Michael Jordan's in the film.

1255
00:59:20,314 --> 00:59:21,954
Speaker 4: Yes, he played he played twins.

1256
00:59:22,274 --> 00:59:25,314
Speaker 5: You loved that film, didn't you love that film?

1257
00:59:25,354 --> 00:59:27,034
Speaker 4: I've talked about it so much. I talked about it

1258
00:59:27,074 --> 00:59:28,594
Speaker 4: a lot on the spill. I genuinely think I'm the

1259
00:59:28,674 --> 00:59:29,354
Speaker 4: reason they won.

1260
00:59:29,594 --> 00:59:30,154
Speaker 2: Of course you are.

1261
00:59:30,514 --> 00:59:32,514
Speaker 3: They won the biggest box Avengers.

1262
00:59:32,714 --> 00:59:37,114
Speaker 4: Yeah, was it avengures by Avatar, which I was so

1263
00:59:37,514 --> 00:59:39,274
Speaker 4: I mean, Avatar is great, but I was so nervous

1264
00:59:39,274 --> 00:59:41,794
Speaker 4: They're gonna win, but they didn't. Yeah, I'm hoping they

1265
00:59:41,874 --> 00:59:43,954
Speaker 4: win a few more awards. By the time this recording

1266
00:59:44,074 --> 00:59:44,874
Speaker 4: is over and I get.

1267
00:59:44,794 --> 00:59:46,874
Speaker 2: To be really like, get out of here so I

1268
00:59:46,914 --> 00:59:47,994
Speaker 2: could go see Michael B.

1269
00:59:48,194 --> 00:59:52,394
Speaker 1: Jordan watching Avatar, is still watching it probably ran out

1270
00:59:52,394 --> 00:59:54,274
Speaker 1: of time to the nomination had.

1271
00:59:54,194 --> 00:59:57,194
Speaker 4: Eight nominations, and I think this year, I think the

1272
00:59:57,314 --> 00:59:59,994
Speaker 4: awards this year in general, like everyone competing has just

1273
01:00:00,034 --> 01:00:01,194
Speaker 4: been so so good.

1274
01:00:01,674 --> 01:00:03,034
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1275
01:00:03,074 --> 01:00:05,834
Speaker 5: High quality, Yeah, high quality out louders.

1276
01:00:06,034 --> 01:00:08,634
Speaker 2: That's our awards wrap for today. We've got the Oscars

1277
01:00:08,674 --> 01:00:10,874
Speaker 2: coming up soon. If there's a gossip from the Golden

1278
01:00:10,914 --> 01:00:12,914
Speaker 2: Gloves after party, we'll bring it to you. On Wednesday,

1279
01:00:13,274 --> 01:00:16,834
Speaker 2: we have we Are Mia Friedman, thank you for joining us.

1280
01:00:17,234 --> 01:00:18,474
Speaker 3: Do you want to give us a tease as to

1281
01:00:18,554 --> 01:00:21,394
Speaker 3: what we're talking about on tomorrow's subscriber episode.

1282
01:00:21,514 --> 01:00:24,274
Speaker 1: Yes, Tomorrow we're going to be talking about where I've been,

1283
01:00:24,514 --> 01:00:28,834
Speaker 1: what my leave has been like, what we did over summer, yep,

1284
01:00:28,914 --> 01:00:31,354
Speaker 1: the three of us, why I decided to come back,

1285
01:00:31,394 --> 01:00:33,034
Speaker 1: and why I decided to come back in this way.

1286
01:00:33,634 --> 01:00:37,954
Speaker 1: And then on Thursday heted Rivalry Babies. We are going

1287
01:00:38,074 --> 01:00:40,594
Speaker 1: Taylors with We are going all the way and maybe yes,

1288
01:00:40,714 --> 01:00:43,634
Speaker 1: and I'm going to just a sprinkle of Taylor's era documentary.

1289
01:00:43,874 --> 01:00:47,034
Speaker 5: I want to ask you things here. Yeah, great, so much.

1290
01:00:47,074 --> 01:00:48,874
Speaker 1: The whole We're going to be talking about heat of

1291
01:00:48,994 --> 01:00:53,114
Speaker 1: rivalry and a bit of Taylor, two of my favorite topics.

1292
01:00:54,034 --> 01:00:56,394
Speaker 2: Maya Friedman, thank you for coming and joining us on

1293
01:00:56,434 --> 01:00:58,114
Speaker 2: today's show. Thanks nice to have you back.

1294
01:00:58,234 --> 01:01:01,674
Speaker 5: Sorry, thanks for having me. I told you I remember

1295
01:01:01,714 --> 01:01:02,274
Speaker 5: how to do this.

1296
01:01:04,114 --> 01:01:06,674
Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for today. Out louders, But

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Speaker 2: don't forget what are we doing? What actually is.

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Speaker 3: A louders have just heard around the show, but Maya

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Speaker 3: couldn't be bothered sitting through it. She's just banging a

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Speaker 3: door on her way out. As though we're not still recording,

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Speaker 3: we're still working, Lady disrespect. Some of us have jobs

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Speaker 3: to do. But I'm glad you're done with your Golden

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Speaker 3: globes opinions.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, out loud as, that is all we've

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Speaker 2: had time for today. Oh my god, it's been good

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Speaker 2: to be back and it's been full of surprises. Don't forget,

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Speaker 2: friends that if you want more out loud in your ears.

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Speaker 2: We have been doing a summer book club thanks to

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Speaker 2: Royal Caribbean. If you haven't already listened, our second book

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Speaker 2: was Emily Henry's Big Beautiful Life, which is a glorious

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Speaker 2: beach read. Go back and have a listen and The

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Speaker 2: next book we're reading for summer it's coming out at

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Speaker 2: the end of the month is Mala Luca by Angie

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Speaker 2: Fay Martin.

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Speaker 3: I cannot wait to talk about This is such a

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Speaker 3: good bye. I am loving it. I am desperate to

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Speaker 3: debrief with you both.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye bye.

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Speaker 4: Mamma Miya acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on

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Speaker 4: which we are recorded. This podcast