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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Unleashed. Welcome whoo podcast for gen
Speaker 2: X women who need a laugh.
Speaker 3: Now, if you cued from midnight showing of Dirty Dancing
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, you're in the right place. Right. Who
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Speaker 4: Let's go?
Speaker 5: Hi. I'm Mary Kustis, I'm an actress, rider.
Speaker 4: I'm Bruno Pependerrea, film TV producer and podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Sally Hipworth and I am an author and podcaster.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm Kath Mahoney. I'm a comedian and a hypochondriac. Okay,
Speaker 3: so unclenchy jaw, clincher pelvic floor and get ready to unleash.
Speaker 2: Okay? Are we freeball chatting or what? Yeh?
Speaker 1: I mean speaking of free balling? Actually only I want
Speaker 1: to talk about squishes. Squashes. There are squishes all over
Speaker 1: my house. Does everyone know what we're asking about?
Speaker 4: SALAGONI people? What squishes are?
Speaker 1: Squishes are a little bit like I think what we
Speaker 1: would have called stress balls back in a day. It
Speaker 1: is a wishy little but squishyer. It depends on which
Speaker 1: type it is, because there are the cheap squishies and
Speaker 1: then there are the most expensive squishes. Some of them
Speaker 1: are called needles. Some of them are fake. The kids
Speaker 1: trade them anyway. The reason I know so much about
Speaker 1: squishes is that I returned from overseas about a month ago.
Speaker 1: I've been solo parenting during that time, and when I
Speaker 1: came back, my daughter wanted a squishy, and I said,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I said, we're not putting our money and
Speaker 1: resources into this economy that is going to ruin the environment.
Speaker 1: I've now figured out that you can track my mental
Speaker 1: health by the amount of squishes in my house, because.
Speaker 2: How many of you bought.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're fucking everywhere. They're all over my house.
Speaker 1: She buys a squishy and by the time she's even
Speaker 1: left the store, she's already thinking about the next one
Speaker 1: she wants. We get home and it's on the floor.
Speaker 1: It's covered in hair. It's disgusting. She broke one the
Speaker 1: other day. Balls were all over my floor, right, so
Speaker 1: I'm then picking up the ball. I'm angry at life
Speaker 1: like I'm and you can't use any other device to
Speaker 1: clean them up. You have to use hand. I picked
Speaker 1: up all the balls and then I threw them out,
Speaker 1: and she came out cracked the shits at me because
Speaker 1: I threw out her squishy balls.
Speaker 4: Can I play Devil's Advocate for a minute, like number one?
Speaker 4: Stop hating on the squishes, and I'll tell you why,
Speaker 4: because I mean, my daughter's thirteen, and as far as
Speaker 4: she wants to play with freaking squishes and jelly cats,
Speaker 4: I am here for it. I'd much rather that than
Speaker 4: what maybe is coming next.
Speaker 1: Like babes.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I'm just like, yeah, get as
Speaker 4: many squishies and fluffy jelly cats as you want. I'm like,
Speaker 4: so here for it. Like let them. It says that
Speaker 4: they're still in like childhood. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but here's the problem with it, Brunner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that I am also trying to write a book
Speaker 1: as well as like all of us and have all
Speaker 1: these children. And what my kids do, the wily little
Speaker 1: beasts that they are, is they wait until I'm mid
Speaker 1: scene or on a phone call or whatever. Mum, Nam can.
Speaker 4: Have a squishy cut, have a squishy.
Speaker 1: Num bah nah, and then they and I go yep,
Speaker 1: and I say yes, and then I hang up the phone.
Speaker 4: Can we order the squishy on Amazon? Can we go
Speaker 4: to the shops?
Speaker 1: And so it's not even about the squishy, it's about
Speaker 1: what the squishy represents. It's taken up my time and energy.
Speaker 2: It's just it.
Speaker 1: Bleeds me drying financially, emotionally and then physically when I'm
Speaker 1: cleaning up the balls.
Speaker 4: You need to go to therapy if other things.
Speaker 1: I need a squishy to squeeze while I'm sitting there.
Speaker 3: No squishes in my house. But Lewis, my son, is
Speaker 3: obsessed with fishing and has been for many years. So
Speaker 3: I just keep getting like texts and alerts on Luis
Speaker 3: Sale sale of lures, Otto's World of Fishing, Like you know,
Speaker 3: I am not into fishing, but just get spammed by
Speaker 3: all the las.
Speaker 1: Two things you just mentioned, because I don't even know what.
Speaker 3: A lure, which I think it's like a squishy, but
Speaker 3: it's for a fish, a fish squishy.
Speaker 5: It's like track date and it's squishy but it's not edible.
Speaker 3: But Lou you just reminded me it's exactly the same.
Speaker 3: It's that moment of weakness when you've either got single
Speaker 3: parent guilt or you've.
Speaker 2: Done something wrong, or you just want them to zip it.
Speaker 1: You haven't played with them for a while and you
Speaker 1: think this might buy me, you know.
Speaker 3: Ten minutes anything, and then you do. You do a
Speaker 3: big spend our minds in fishing world. But then it's
Speaker 3: the mum key chair when it's coming mum, mum. He'll
Speaker 3: text from school or email. Can you can you send me,
Speaker 3: email me what we bought for mottoes last night?
Speaker 2: Can you just send me a screenshop now?
Speaker 3: Now you said it was going to arrive on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: When is it arrivor it's exactly that and you just
Speaker 3: go whoa.
Speaker 1: And then it comes and it's not the one that
Speaker 1: they want, or it's a fake and that's your problem
Speaker 1: and you might have to go to Southland. You're looking
Speaker 1: down the barrel of driving to Southland.
Speaker 2: Hang on, what's Southland?
Speaker 1: It's our closest Westfield.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a shopping center. Yeah, okay, I thought it
Speaker 2: was like some kind of dodgy neighbors trade.
Speaker 1: What kind of is and yeah, So there's a direct
Speaker 1: correlation between how I'm speaking right now and the amount
Speaker 1: of squishes lots of squishes, bad mental health.
Speaker 5: You know what you need, Sally, an old fashioned stress ball, all.
Speaker 2: Right, burning question from me.
Speaker 3: When you reach a certain age, you just realize a
Speaker 3: lot of what you've been told is bullshit, most of them.
Speaker 2: Most of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, you know, when you hear phrases like
Speaker 3: act your age, what does that actually mean?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What does that mean to me?
Speaker 3: It means like be smaller, be dimmer, keep yourself a bit,
Speaker 3: you know, don't be yourself. So the burning question is
Speaker 3: what is a common saying or belief that really gets
Speaker 3: you goat?
Speaker 5: There's so many of them.
Speaker 4: I've got one. This is my top number one, And
Speaker 4: I feel like you're all going to relate you ready,
Speaker 4: Everything happens for a reason. Shit, No, it doesn't for
Speaker 4: a reason. Sometimes shit just happens, and a lot of
Speaker 4: bad shit happens sometimes. Really, what's the reason. I'm sorry? No,
Speaker 4: I just don't. I'm not on board with that everything
Speaker 4: happens for a reason. No.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And in complete contrast to everything happens for a reason,
Speaker 5: is shit happens. And you don't say shit happens because
Speaker 5: everything happens for a reason. You're either saying one or
Speaker 5: the other.
Speaker 4: No, but you know those people. Let's say someone I
Speaker 4: know very well, my husband. But like, no matter what happens,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter how bad it is or how good
Speaker 4: it is. Oh no, you know there's a reason or
Speaker 4: you know it's like come or it's the path, or
Speaker 4: you know, we cause our own suffering if we're not
Speaker 4: on board with that, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 4: I'm just not on board with that piece of advice. Like, no,
Speaker 4: sometimes bad shit just happens and there is no reason.
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't like close enough is good enough.
Speaker 4: Thought, like there's no second place, Like yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5: Mean that in terms of whether you win an award
Speaker 5: or a race or anything like that, but just close
Speaker 5: enough's good enough.
Speaker 4: But is that about not trying?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's about it doesn't have to be right. It
Speaker 5: can be a little wrong and that's fine. Close enough
Speaker 5: good It just seems like I'm tapping out of trying
Speaker 5: to do something well.
Speaker 4: Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, I like that enough?
Speaker 1: So you think you should always that The correct one
Speaker 1: would be you should do your to do it right?
Speaker 5: Is that just try and do something really well? Yeah,
Speaker 5: close enough isn't good enough?
Speaker 2: A lot of the time, you know.
Speaker 5: So that's just one of mine I've got. There's plenty
Speaker 5: that's good.
Speaker 3: Actually, one that I really hate as a single person
Speaker 3: is it'll happen when you least expect.
Speaker 1: Yes, Also for people trying to have a baby, they
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, just relax, that's what they told me for
Speaker 5: ten years. I'm like, yeah, I can relax, but you
Speaker 5: know what, the sperm's never going to meet the egg.
Speaker 5: It's blocked down there. So I don't know how much
Speaker 5: I have to relax to open up that orifice or
Speaker 5: that tube.
Speaker 4: Do you know.
Speaker 1: The one I don't get on board with it all
Speaker 1: is that women over forty or over a certain age
Speaker 1: are invisible. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't buy that either.
Speaker 1: You hear it a lot, and I just always tell
Speaker 1: people to examine why they feel like that. And I
Speaker 1: spoke to my mum about it recently and I said,
Speaker 1: do you feel invisible? And she said not at all.
Speaker 1: In fact, I've never felt more visible than since I've
Speaker 1: had a disability. And she said, when I'm out, I
Speaker 1: always feel like people will help me, that they're aware
Speaker 1: of me, that they give me space to, you know,
Speaker 1: move forward or get places I need to go for
Speaker 1: me as a woman in my forties, I've never felt
Speaker 1: more visible. You know, I don't think I was particularly
Speaker 1: visible in my twenties. Now I stand in front of
Speaker 1: a room and people listen to what I have to say.
Speaker 1: You know, as a mum, I'm extremely visible. Whenever my
Speaker 1: kids need anything, they're looking to me. Who do we
Speaker 1: look at if there's a disaster, We look for the
Speaker 1: middle aged woman. You know, who do we look for
Speaker 1: if we are in a hospital and we want You know,
Speaker 1: when I had my babies, who was I happy when
Speaker 1: they came into the room the middle aged nurse duty
Speaker 1: was coming in to help me with my babies. I
Speaker 1: think that people kind of blindly say I've become invisible.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's equating it to they don't get wolf whistled
Speaker 1: at anymore. But by the way, I sometimes get wolf
Speaker 1: whistled at when I'm wearing my wig and people can't
Speaker 1: see my face. However, I think that we are actually
Speaker 1: more visible than we have ever and for much better reasons.
Speaker 1: They're being looked at for who we are, what we think,
Speaker 1: what we've achieved, wisdom and yeah, even from my mum
Speaker 1: who's eighty and has a disability she still feels very visible.
Speaker 1: So I think it's about what you choose to notice
Speaker 1: and what you are choosing to feel, you know, valued.
Speaker 5: For Here's what I think is people feel invisible. So
Speaker 5: that's different to becoming invisible in terms of how other
Speaker 5: people view you.
Speaker 2: If you don't feel.
Speaker 5: Visible, then you're gonna act invisible. Yes, but you know,
Speaker 5: like my mother's eighty seven, never a more visible short
Speaker 5: person you've ever seen in your life, Like she doesn't
Speaker 5: feel invisible. So I think often when people say that,
Speaker 5: it's a clue to how they feel or whether you
Speaker 5: know they feel powerful or you know you're not invisible.
Speaker 5: But if you feel invisible, then there's no talking you
Speaker 5: out and no one can see it.
Speaker 4: Can I just say? I think what we're all saying
Speaker 4: is the same thing, which is like, there's myths that
Speaker 4: the world perpetuates, like women are invisible after forty or
Speaker 4: this is how these are myths, Like it's kind of systemic,
Speaker 4: and what you're saying so is right, which is like, well,
Speaker 4: who says? I mean, I think it's kind of we've
Speaker 4: been sold this idea. But like, as women in the workforce, right,
Speaker 4: I've never felt more visible or more able to kind
Speaker 4: of stand up and be noticed and be listened to,
Speaker 4: because I think people are looking to us. I'm looking
Speaker 4: to older people for their wisdom constantly. I think there's
Speaker 4: a lot to be learned from, you know, older people.
Speaker 3: The only place I feel invisible, because I'm hardly a wallflower,
Speaker 3: is when I'm driving my son and his mates to training,
Speaker 3: to school's training. I've never felt so invisible in my
Speaker 3: whole life. You're basically just a nuber driver. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: what else have I got to give a bunch of
Speaker 3: sixteen and seventeen year our labs.
Speaker 2: Nothing. I have jokes sometimes.
Speaker 3: Any of my songs, they just I'm like, this is
Speaker 3: a banger, and Lewis just goes you become.
Speaker 1: Visible if you have food with those kind of that age.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when I say KFC training, I am like,
Speaker 3: I am like very visible in front seat.
Speaker 5: Here's a cliche that I like, you don't ask, you
Speaker 5: don't get. And going back to the boardroom, going back
Speaker 5: to women feeling powerful. You know, we know this for
Speaker 5: a fact. Men ask for more than what we do
Speaker 5: in a professional setting, and women have just got to
Speaker 5: do more of that. We're not trying to be men,
Speaker 5: We're just actually trying to get what we believe we deserve.
Speaker 5: And if we're not asking for that thing, then of
Speaker 5: course we're going to be overlooked for someone that is
Speaker 5: probably asking for it.
Speaker 2: That's real, and.
Speaker 5: So yeah, you ask, you get, you don't ask, you don't.
Speaker 1: Like it, be visible and ask and ask.
Speaker 4: Guys, have you heard of that game two Truth and
Speaker 4: a Lie?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I thought it was a way for us
Speaker 4: to continue to get to know each other. It might
Speaker 4: be fun if we played it today on the unleashed couch.
Speaker 4: What do you think I love that? Okay, let's start
Speaker 4: with me. Okay, I'm just going to say three random things,
Speaker 4: and then I'm going to go around and ask each
Speaker 4: of you which you think the liars?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay.
Speaker 4: Number one, I had sex with someone who played a
Speaker 4: prince in a movie. Number two, I've met three presidents
Speaker 4: of different countries. Number three, I've been the inspiration for
Speaker 4: three works of art.
Speaker 1: Sally, I think number three is the lie. You are
Speaker 1: many things, but I don't think I'd be inspired to
Speaker 1: create art about.
Speaker 4: You and your I mean, that's just.
Speaker 5: So upsetting, so many we just confess.
Speaker 4: No moving on.
Speaker 3: Ka, Well, I feel like number one could be true.
Speaker 3: So I know you've had sex with a lot of
Speaker 3: luck people. So I'm going to go for a number
Speaker 3: two is a lie?
Speaker 4: The President's I met three presidents of different countries.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with Kath. Really that you've met three presidents
Speaker 5: of different countries could be a lie. I know you've
Speaker 5: met one, possibly two, but I don't know about three.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the truth? The truth?
Speaker 4: There's Mary and Kath are right?
Speaker 1: Three pieces of art?
Speaker 4: Number one. I'm going to get to that. The two
Speaker 4: president I met two presidents. I met President Barack Obama, yes,
Speaker 4: and I met the president of Botswana years ago when
Speaker 4: I went to Africa. So two presidents not three? Yes,
Speaker 4: number one. We won't go into that. I have been
Speaker 4: the inspiration for three works of art. I was an
Speaker 4: inspiration ones for a painting another very famous Melbourne artist,
Speaker 4: Jeff Comember his last name. I was painted nude on
Speaker 4: a bicycle with a baggette in my basket coming out
Speaker 4: of your in fact, and apparently some accountant bought that
Speaker 4: painting is probably sitting on someone's wall. I was like,
Speaker 4: oh who brought that one? And number three?
Speaker 2: And hold on? Thank you? Where I was?
Speaker 4: Where was the beginning the basket of the bike.
Speaker 2: I forget it.
Speaker 1: At first, I thought of you was on a bike. No,
Speaker 1: I just I posed naked. I can't remember probably the
Speaker 1: time you were naked sitting on a bike holding a
Speaker 1: bag get.
Speaker 4: I was riding the bike and the baguette in the basket. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's not the most important. The third one is I
Speaker 4: met very famous and I cannot reveal his name, Irish artist.
Speaker 4: And years later I found out when he told me
Speaker 4: I met him for one night, but apparently I had
Speaker 4: a profound impact on him that I had been the
Speaker 4: inspiration for one of his exhibitions. Wow, yes, he worked
Speaker 4: in bronze. Let's just put it that way. Well, so
Speaker 4: I have Sally he wor the inspirations. Okay, Mary, what
Speaker 4: have you got?
Speaker 5: Okay? So my two truths and a lie. One. I
Speaker 5: had my first orgasm at eight two. I lost my
Speaker 5: virginity at twenty one and three. I shaved my mustache
Speaker 5: at eleven.
Speaker 1: Okay, Sally, I'm going to say, you lost you virginity
Speaker 1: at twenty one is a lie?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm in the back, Sally up with that.
Speaker 2: Number two is a lie.
Speaker 4: Bruna, I all this is so hard. I believe, I
Speaker 4: know one is true. I believe I'm going to just
Speaker 4: I'm going to be an outli here and say, you
Speaker 4: shaved your mustache at twelve is a lie?
Speaker 5: Ah, the girls are right. I had a fat my
Speaker 5: virginity at eighteen, not twenty one. But I did shave
Speaker 5: my mustache at eleven. And I did have an accidental
Speaker 5: orgasm at eight.
Speaker 2: I knew it. I knew the eight that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how was it an accidental orgasm at eight?
Speaker 5: Well? I was at a friend's house and we're watching
Speaker 5: a black and white movie, you know, Saturday afternoons, and
Speaker 5: the mother for some reason, had a lot of moles
Speaker 5: on her face, and the couple had hair coming out.
Speaker 5: But I digress, and she was darning. I felt like saying,
Speaker 5: you could use some of that hair instead of that cotton,
Speaker 5: just quietly. Anyway, she was darning, and my friend was there,
Speaker 5: my friend's brother was there, and we were just innocently
Speaker 5: watching a black and white movie. This when I was
Speaker 5: growing up in Collywood. And at one point at the
Speaker 5: end of the movie, like they often did, it was
Speaker 5: a romantic sort of moment, the couple kiss and go
Speaker 5: into a room and the door closes and then the
Speaker 5: end comes up. Well, they kissed and something opened for me.
Speaker 5: Oh my god. I had a full body tingle from
Speaker 5: my toes to the top of my head and it
Speaker 5: featured heavily in the equator part of my body just
Speaker 5: south of my equator. And I don't know what happened.
Speaker 5: All I knew that something massive had just happened and
Speaker 5: I needed to get home to deal with it.
Speaker 4: Wow. Remember one congratulations.
Speaker 5: So no hands were involved. It was literally just watching
Speaker 5: those two people kiss.
Speaker 1: But the part about the moles that I had nothing
Speaker 1: to do. It was not a little storytelling you, well
Speaker 1: the business a red herring because I was holding onto
Speaker 1: that being very arousing for you.
Speaker 2: I went home.
Speaker 5: I went home, and maybe half an hour later I
Speaker 5: went to the bathroom and it was so slippery down there.
Speaker 5: When I wiped, I felt like a fast bowler. I
Speaker 5: nearly dislocated my shoulder. And at that point, as an
Speaker 5: eight year old who didn't know anything about anything, I
Speaker 5: thought I was pregnant. And in that moment when I thought,
Speaker 5: oh my god, I'm eight years old and I'm pregnant.
Speaker 2: What am I going to do?
Speaker 5: How am I going to pay for raising this child?
Speaker 5: What am I going to call it? All these really
Speaker 5: important questions. I began rocking backwards and forwards, and then
Speaker 5: my brother knocked on the door and said, we're going
Speaker 5: down to the yarra to kick a footy. Do you
Speaker 5: want to come? And I went yes, and in my state,
Speaker 5: in my with child state, I left that bathroom and
Speaker 5: went and kicked the footy and forgot that I was pregnant.
Speaker 2: Thank god.
Speaker 1: This is like a French film, like, well, you just
Speaker 1: don't know where it's.
Speaker 4: And you don't need no dermatology. You need to get
Speaker 4: rid of that facial mustache.
Speaker 2: You knew early on.
Speaker 5: My brother told me we were having dinner. It was lovely.
Speaker 5: It was such a loving moment. And he leant over
Speaker 5: and because he had a monobrow at the time, not
Speaker 5: that I said anything, but he turned around and went
Speaker 5: and I was like, what, thinking I might have had
Speaker 5: a booger or perhaps some food on my faces. You've
Speaker 5: got a mustache. And I got up from the table.
Speaker 5: I ran into the bathroom and I shaved it with
Speaker 5: my dad's razor and I showed.
Speaker 4: Him Mary ouch care, what about you?
Speaker 3: Two truths and a lie Number one, I dated more
Speaker 3: than one famous sportsman. Number two, I've touched up j Lo.
Speaker 3: Number three, I've passed Robbie Williams.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, they're so good, so good, so good.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say passed Robbie Williams is a lie,
Speaker 1: because if that was true and you hadn't told me that,
Speaker 1: that would help be how I led every conversation with
Speaker 1: I'm Sally Hepworth. I passed Williams. So we'll see.
Speaker 5: I'll go the first one that that you've had sex,
Speaker 5: was it dated? You've dated more than one because I
Speaker 5: believe you being in the music industry for all those years,
Speaker 5: version of what touched up means might mean oh, like,
Speaker 5: you know, straightened her jacket or did something like that.
Speaker 5: Touching might not be sexual. In that case, I think
Speaker 5: Robbie would be up for anything I recognized. Really, I
Speaker 5: mean like I could just see him walking into a
Speaker 5: room going oh, you're you're a right sort, and then
Speaker 5: just planting one.
Speaker 1: You are a right sort. Thanks.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so I'd say number one. Okay, I think
Speaker 5: dated two famous sportsmen.
Speaker 4: I'm very torn. I was going to go with number one,
Speaker 4: but I also I feel instinctively that you did not pesh,
Speaker 4: Robbie Williams. That's what I'm going to go with.
Speaker 1: Three.
Speaker 2: Okay, Marry, you're correct. I never dated two sportsmen.
Speaker 4: One was enough one just one.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: Now tell us about Robbie.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, did you not know that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I was nineteen, he was nineteen. He just left take that.
Speaker 3: Remember when he went with an Oasis and got really
Speaker 3: rock star. So I'm working in a Beitha at the time.
Speaker 3: It's holidays. I'm at university, so I've gone there for
Speaker 3: three months. We knew the word on the grapevine was
Speaker 3: Robbie Williams was in town. And then I spot him
Speaker 3: when we're in Cafe del Mark, which is one of
Speaker 3: like the famous kind of cafe clubs that's there, and
Speaker 3: I may have followed him to the toilet line.
Speaker 5: Now she doesn't remember.
Speaker 3: I may have been, you know, enthusiastic about the night
Speaker 3: and being in a bethera and I just sort of
Speaker 3: tapped him on the shoulder and said, hey, let's her,
Speaker 3: let's have a snog.
Speaker 4: Wereviated at the time.
Speaker 3: I might have been in a party high so to speak,
Speaker 3: high party high retout. Did he say something, No, he
Speaker 3: just went absolutely come here and oh yeah, he was
Speaker 3: up for it. Yeah, okay, and then obviously I just
Speaker 3: took all my coins to the nearest phone box because
Speaker 3: that's how old it was, and called everybody in England.
Speaker 4: I take because it was in the day.
Speaker 2: It's a good.
Speaker 3: Pash, I've got to say. Many years later, when I
Speaker 3: was in La staying with a girlfriend who's Australian, she
Speaker 3: was like, tomorrow we're going to a three year old
Speaker 3: birthday party. It's like a Mermaids and Unicorns some sort
Speaker 3: of party.
Speaker 2: And I.
Speaker 3: Only I had not long come in from Australia, so
Speaker 3: you know, you jet lagged when you come into La.
Speaker 3: You're sort of good at the nighttime, not so good
Speaker 3: in the morning. Anyway, when she came back, I said, oh,
Speaker 3: how was it? And it turns out it was Robbie
Speaker 3: Williams Kids part.
Speaker 2: I was like, why didn't you say? I would have gone?
Speaker 2: I would have gone Robbie. Do you remember my lips?
Speaker 2: Do you remember?
Speaker 4: I'm going to take a guess that he wouldn't remember.
Speaker 3: You guess I wasn't in the Netflix special, so I
Speaker 3: remember me?
Speaker 5: What was the Jalo story?
Speaker 2: Jalo? I was working for Sony Music.
Speaker 3: You were correct, Jalo was here and we'd just done
Speaker 3: a big thing down at Boomerang House, you know, down
Speaker 3: in at the harbor, and then we were going on
Speaker 3: to a yacht to present her with a big award,
Speaker 3: you know, for her record sales, these really ugly awards
Speaker 3: that we made in the music industry. And there was
Speaker 3: a tiny yacht and the CEO was a squash and
Speaker 3: my one job was to hold the award. So I
Speaker 3: was holding it against my legs like it was so
Speaker 3: heavy I thought i was going to like break my fingers.
Speaker 3: So I've put my hands in front of it. Jlo
Speaker 3: takes a step back. It's a very small space, and
Speaker 3: then her bottom cheeks are on my hands. And I've
Speaker 3: only been with Sony Music about six weeks that time,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, do I move my hand like I'm
Speaker 3: cupping j Loo's beautiful bottom. If I move it, she
Speaker 3: might think that I've dropped the hand for a feel
Speaker 3: if I leave it there as it were. So it
Speaker 3: was like the longest twenty seconds of my life. And
Speaker 3: then she dismounted and we didn't talk about it again.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's my story.
Speaker 1: Sally A life okay, less exciting than any of those
Speaker 1: in fact I'm going to lead with I've never had
Speaker 1: a feeling, So that's a cracker.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I was once a contestant on Supermarket Sweep, and I
Speaker 1: once shared a two style hotel with a middle aged
Speaker 1: man and woman in La on a book tour.
Speaker 4: Okay, I feel confident. I think a lie is number one.
Speaker 4: You you've never had a feeling.
Speaker 5: Okay, I think the lie is number three. You've never
Speaker 5: had to share a room with two others, a man
Speaker 5: and a woman.
Speaker 3: Such thing as a two star hotel there is I'm
Speaker 3: going to go for two, just to mix it up.
Speaker 3: That you were never on seth market Sweep.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 1: I was once a contestant on Family Feud, but I
Speaker 1: have not been a contestant on Supermarket Sweep. That was
Speaker 1: the one I really wanted to.
Speaker 4: You've never had a feeling.
Speaker 1: Never had a feeling. I was a contestant on Family Feud.
Speaker 1: We were bundled out in the first round with nothing
Speaker 1: but a two hundred and fifty dollars Billy guyets voucher.
Speaker 1: But we gave it our best crack. And I did
Speaker 1: once share a two star hotel in LA with a
Speaker 1: middle aged man and woman When in My flight was
Speaker 1: canceled to New York and there were no hotels available.
Speaker 5: Did you know those people?
Speaker 2: Horendous?
Speaker 5: Did anything happen?
Speaker 1: Did you get to know them? You know? The funniest
Speaker 1: bit about it was Lorraine and Mark as I got
Speaker 1: to know. They weren't together, they were in All of
Speaker 1: us were traveling separately, and we met at the airport
Speaker 1: when we found out the flights was delayed. Lorraine had
Speaker 1: a working phone, so she found a hotel that was available.
Speaker 1: We went to the hotel and we all had a
Speaker 1: room there, and so we all got into a cab
Speaker 1: went to the hotel. Turned out it was booked for
Speaker 1: the next night and they didn't have any rooms available
Speaker 1: that night, and we were at a loss of what
Speaker 1: was going to happen. And the lady that worked there said,
Speaker 1: if you go down the road, there's a vacancy sign.
Speaker 1: And I looked down the road. It was one of
Speaker 1: those hotels where the prostitutes get killed in American howns
Speaker 1: with the flickering sign and the palm tree, you know it.
Speaker 1: And so they had one room available. So I said,
Speaker 1: to please tell me there were at least two beds.
Speaker 1: Would you like to share had one queen size bed. No,
Speaker 1: so we went up to the room and you could
Speaker 1: see from the outside because you know, like a motel.
Speaker 1: It was a motel, so you know they've got the
Speaker 1: stairs on the outside, you know, the one's from the
Speaker 1: parking lot.
Speaker 2: So we walked up.
Speaker 1: So Mark saw us off into the room. We had
Speaker 1: our Quantus pajamas and that's it we got. We hopped
Speaker 1: into bed together, me and Lorraine die and then and
Speaker 1: then knock knock, Mark's back. Couldn't find anywhere to stay.
Speaker 1: So I went to the door with Lorraine. We're in
Speaker 1: our paj I said, Lorraine, someone's at the door, and
Speaker 1: we looked through the peepole and there's Mark. And you
Speaker 1: know what was so funny about it is that all
Speaker 1: I had with me was my Quantus pajamas and a
Speaker 1: bag of cash American dollars because the time before i'd
Speaker 1: come my cards didn't work. And so I remember getting
Speaker 1: into bed and thinking to myself, when my body is
Speaker 1: found in this room, how is my family going to unpick.
Speaker 4: What has happened.
Speaker 1: They put me on a plane to New York and
Speaker 1: they find me in a two star motel on a
Speaker 1: motorway in La with a middle aged man and woman
Speaker 1: and a suitcase full of ca.
Speaker 4: This is very dets. Sorry, yeah, but can I just
Speaker 4: tell you I guarantee you. I guarantee you I would
Speaker 4: have found a room. I would have found well, I
Speaker 4: wouldn't care what it.
Speaker 1: Would you because my a lot of bel A friends.
Speaker 1: It was really late at night, and my phone wasn't working.
Speaker 5: Well, what about the Rain's phone. You'd have to know
Speaker 5: the number.
Speaker 1: Lorraine lived in New York and so she was She
Speaker 1: knew what she was doing.
Speaker 2: So where did he sleep?
Speaker 1: He slept, So when he came back, I remember looking
Speaker 1: at Lorraine going, Lorraine, do we let him in? And
Speaker 1: Lorraine went, just like shrug. It was so late, so
Speaker 1: we let him in. He got some cushions from the chair,
Speaker 1: lay them down at the end of the bed, and
Speaker 1: he took his pants off, and he was wearing electric
Speaker 1: blue box of shorts. And I closed my eye and
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought, I'm not going to sleep a wink.
Speaker 1: But then I fell dead asleep. And then we all
Speaker 1: flew to La together the next day on the plane,
Speaker 1: and I posted a photo of the three of us
Speaker 1: with the story what had happened, and by the time
Speaker 1: we landed in New York, Mark, whose wife lived in
Speaker 1: New York. She was a diplomat or something. She Mark
Speaker 1: came up and said, my wife's really upset with me
Speaker 1: because I've just got off the plane and turned on
Speaker 1: my phone and I've got all these messages saying that
Speaker 1: her friends of all message to going. Your husband's shared
Speaker 1: a hotel with Sally Hepworth last night in la.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's such the greatest story ever goes on.
Speaker 1: I also am now good friends with Lorraine, and she,
Speaker 1: as it turns out, is loaded and lives in New
Speaker 1: York on the Upper East Side, and had me over
Speaker 1: for cocktails the last time I went, and has read
Speaker 1: all my books.
Speaker 2: I love love this for you, good old Lorraine.
Speaker 5: Did she invite Mark?
Speaker 1: Mark's never been heard from again.
Speaker 4: It's brilliant.
Speaker 2: All right, ladies, it's that time of the episode. We
Speaker 2: love it. Other people's problem.
Speaker 3: Yes, Now this one is a little bit spicy. So
Speaker 3: not only is this from anonymous, but we've actually had
Speaker 3: to have somebody.
Speaker 2: Else voice voiceover.
Speaker 3: Okay, the content, so we don't identify them. Okay, strap
Speaker 3: yourselves in.
Speaker 6: I need to tell someone this because I can't tell anyone.
Speaker 6: I know I had an affair. It's over. My husband
Speaker 6: doesn't know. Nobody knows. I ended it because I wanted to,
Speaker 6: not because I got caught, and I have made peace
Speaker 6: with who I was when it happened. That's not the problem.
Speaker 6: The problem is that the man I had the affair
Speaker 6: with has just started dating a close friend. She's besotted.
Speaker 6: She messaged me little tipbits about him. She used the
Speaker 6: word soul mate. She asked me to have dinner with
Speaker 6: them next month, the three of us.
Speaker 2: I can't tell her.
Speaker 6: It would detonate her happiness and my marriage, and I
Speaker 6: don't think the truth is going to help anyone at
Speaker 6: this point. But I have to sit across a dinner
Speaker 6: table from a man I was in bed with, watch
Speaker 6: him be in love with my friend.
Speaker 2: How do I do that? Any tips?
Speaker 5: Oh, that's complicated space. That's like one of those you know,
Speaker 5: it's a box within a box within a box within
Speaker 5: a box, and then suddenly there's a bottle with a
Speaker 5: ship in it.
Speaker 1: I have questions, Okay, what do you correct must and
Speaker 1: which we obviously will not be able to answer unless
Speaker 1: I miss something. I want to know if she still
Speaker 1: has feelings for him. I want to know if he
Speaker 1: knows about that she's the friend, you know, is he
Speaker 1: aware of the situation.
Speaker 4: I think we can assume, yes, we have to assume
Speaker 4: to that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, well, firstly, she doesn't have to
Speaker 5: go out to dinner with them.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: Well it sounds like it's a really close friend though,
Speaker 4: so that would be she can she.
Speaker 2: Could pull a sickie.
Speaker 1: You think you probably put it off for as long
Speaker 1: as you can, just in case, because she doesn't have
Speaker 1: to face it if it doesn't end up lasting.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you've just got to face it.
Speaker 4: I mean, if it was me, I think I'd go
Speaker 4: to the dinner and just kind of face up to that.
Speaker 4: I mean, in a funnier version for me. As we
Speaker 4: all know, I dated a lot of actors in my youth,
Speaker 4: and I can't tell you how many times I've had
Speaker 4: to sit on sets where they turn up and my
Speaker 4: poor husband sitting next to me producing and I have
Speaker 4: to whisper, Oh, I just want to let you know,
Speaker 4: And it's just it is like a little bit confronting different.
Speaker 4: But oh god, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know know that you have slept with this actor?
Speaker 4: Is that what you're Yeah, just because it is. Look,
Speaker 4: it's I think she's in a she's not in a
Speaker 4: great position. And also that's a small world, right like
Speaker 4: and does he know? And is that part of it?
Speaker 5: And I think it would be different if she wasn't
Speaker 5: in a marriage. Yeah, but she's in a marriage. So
Speaker 5: she really can't afford to take an extreme position on
Speaker 5: this because she's still married what always was for her,
Speaker 5: and she needs to be supportive of her friend who's
Speaker 5: got it's something new and something meaningful.
Speaker 1: I think what I'm struggling with is that to me?
Speaker 1: And because this is my situation, the friendship is the
Speaker 1: primary relationship. You men come and go, and if this
Speaker 1: is her best friend, I'm not sure if that was
Speaker 1: what was said. Really, I can't imagine if I had
Speaker 1: had an affair not sharing that with my best friend.
Speaker 1: Like I've never had an affair, but I can't imagine
Speaker 1: not sharing that information. And so it's then hard to
Speaker 1: step in at this point.
Speaker 5: But this is where it gets complicated, Yeah, isn't it,
Speaker 5: Because if they were close, she would have already told
Speaker 5: that friend or maybe obviously not, she hasn't what if
Speaker 5: that affair comes out at some point, So even if
Speaker 5: she doesn't confess to it, maybe might or maybe something.
Speaker 4: That's what I'd be No, I don't blame her for
Speaker 4: not telling her friend, because I think if you've had
Speaker 4: an affair, sometimes you choose to tell no one and
Speaker 4: you know, because it's obviously she's you know, she stayed
Speaker 4: in her marriage obviously and so really complicated. So I
Speaker 4: kind of understand why she didn't tell anyone. But that's
Speaker 4: what i'd be more afraid of, is what he's going
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 1: That's why I think that I just think that's the
Speaker 1: primary relationship with her friend, and I would tell her.
Speaker 1: I think that the idea of a friend finding out
Speaker 1: two years down the track that I hadn't told them
Speaker 1: is more horrifying than the marriage breaking up. That's your friend,
Speaker 1: that's your life partner.
Speaker 4: I think here's what i'd do. I think i'd tell
Speaker 4: someone else. I would definitely share with another friend who
Speaker 4: I really trusted, because that's a lot to carry. It's
Speaker 4: a lot for her to be carrying right now.
Speaker 3: I think she has to sort of sit back and
Speaker 3: see how it plays out with the friend and the guy,
Speaker 3: because this could be a short phssit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 5: That's what I was thinking too, if I was her,
Speaker 5: I'd probably go just to get a sense whether he
Speaker 5: feels the same about her, as she's claiming this guy's
Speaker 5: her soul mate, just to see if that's in fact
Speaker 5: where it's at for him as well. Having said that,
Speaker 5: he might not confess if this is the love of
Speaker 5: his life, and if it fizzles out, then she's dodged
Speaker 5: a bullet.
Speaker 4: What if she has a conversation with him. I mean
Speaker 4: they both know as him, right, so it might be
Speaker 4: good to have.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, yeah, because it doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 1: to blow up her marriage, Like if she is, you know,
Speaker 1: committed to her husband at this point, she tells him,
Speaker 1: she tells her they could still have a good relationship.
Speaker 1: I think just continuing the lie with her friend just
Speaker 1: compounds everything.
Speaker 5: So what could you do in a situation like that.
Speaker 5: You could leave the country.
Speaker 3: You could find some new friends, self produced coma till
Speaker 3: the relationship finishes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, very long lasting virus. It won't go away
Speaker 4: in a hurry through many dinners.
Speaker 1: She could murder him.
Speaker 4: We'd come up with that one.
Speaker 5: So many options, I think, you know, always the best
Speaker 5: option is just to go towards the thing you fear most,
Speaker 5: which is turn up us it out. Maybe it'll fizzle out,
Speaker 5: maybe it won't. As Bruna said, she might have to
Speaker 5: have a word to him. If she sees that it's
Speaker 5: a really important relationship and it's got legs, she might
Speaker 5: want to have a conversation with the man that she
Speaker 5: had the affair with and said, look, this is I
Speaker 5: love her, you love her. It didn't mean anything to
Speaker 5: us what happened. Let's just keep it in the vault
Speaker 5: and move on.
Speaker 4: Mary. You can use your real name now.
Speaker 2: It's totally fine.
Speaker 4: Steve and I have spoken about it.
Speaker 1: Before we finished today. I have been thinking Kat about
Speaker 1: the fact that you have never been to a formal,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a tragedy because formals are such
Speaker 1: a ride of passage. They are something that most people
Speaker 1: do here in Australia. You get dressed up, like being
Speaker 1: introduced to the world as an adult, and I just
Speaker 1: think that you would be such a beautiful prom date.
Speaker 1: I think that that you should get to have that
Speaker 1: experience as a special woman that you are. And I've
Speaker 1: been thinking that we should throw a formal for cats.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, definitely might cry.
Speaker 1: Here is a course, and I would love it if
Speaker 1: you would be my date.
Speaker 2: I would love to be a date to your formal.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and we're going to.
Speaker 1: Get We'll get our hair done, we'll do our makeup.
Speaker 1: But you can't break up with me during the ball,
Speaker 1: kiss someone else and then have three children with them.
Speaker 1: That's all I have.
Speaker 2: Promise, promise, that's a yes from me.
Speaker 1: We can all go. We can get dressed up, Kath
Speaker 1: can experience the right of passage that we have here
Speaker 1: in Australia of the formal. I'm talking hair done, dresses, yes, limos,
Speaker 1: pres prise. You're definitely with a lot of cocktails, but
Speaker 1: no parents are coming, so I can get as drunk
Speaker 1: as we want.
Speaker 4: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we can invite the unleashes. Everyone
Speaker 1: can come along.
Speaker 2: With disco, disco, disco, totally like it.
Speaker 4: This could be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brunie, you're good at organizing things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, because I haven't got enough to do.
Speaker 4: Definitely give me that job.
Speaker 5: Is there a theme? Yeah, maybe we do, Like you know,
Speaker 5: nineties formal. I've got plenty of effie dresses, like a
Speaker 5: bit Romey and Michelle's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, this is great.
Speaker 1: I shall work for that's beautiful.
Speaker 3: Think about the eighties and nineties soundtrack. I want full
Speaker 3: pretty of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I won't be in charge of the music.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I think that we could have so much fun. It
Speaker 1: could be the best party. I think lots about our
Speaker 1: unleashes will want to come along. Let's get the ball
Speaker 1: rolling on this cast formal.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, let's do this having a formal, ladies. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: that is okay.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm a bit overcome, so I think we should
Speaker 3: probably wrap the episode up now, Ladies, what a corker.
Speaker 2: I'm excited.
Speaker 3: And if you're listening and you would genuinely think about
Speaker 3: coming to my formal, can you reach out because I like,
Speaker 3: I'm almost speechless, sally hepword.
Speaker 2: This is very exciting.
Speaker 3: Finally, I've only waited for forty years for this moment.
Speaker 3: Whoa Okay, well, DMS, if you're interested, unleash dot show
Speaker 3: on Instagram.
Speaker 2: We read it all, don't we, Ladies.
Speaker 4: Do we love hearing from you?
Speaker 2: We absolutely do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if another of you want the formal, we
Speaker 4: will send it to management here and we will get
Speaker 4: on it. Unleash your ideas on us. This is really exciting.
Speaker 4: DMS at Unleashed dot show on our Instagram. We can
Speaker 4: all wait from you and your ideas.
Speaker 2: Love it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right, Well, as we like to say, ladies,
Speaker 3: see Nag Tuesday. Until then, stay unfiltered, stay unreasonable, and
Speaker 3: stay unleashed, Stay unleash.
Speaker 1: Bye bye.
Speaker 4: Okay.
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