WEBVTT - Jules Neale & The Post-Breakup Vibe Shift 0:00:08.234 --> 0:00:10.953 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:16.274 --> 0:00:19.073 Hello and welcome to Mama Mia out Loud. It's what 0:00:19.194 --> 0:00:22.034 women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the twenty eighth 0:00:22.034 --> 0:00:22.674 of January. 0:00:22.794 --> 0:00:25.314 I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm Amelia Luster. 0:00:25.234 --> 0:00:26.634 And I'm Jesse Stevens. 0:00:26.874 --> 0:00:30.754 And here's what's on our agenda for today. The latest 0:00:30.874 --> 0:00:35.553 chapter in a very public Australian cheating scandal and what 0:00:35.674 --> 0:00:39.074 it tells us about a woman scorned in twenty twenty six. 0:00:39.314 --> 0:00:42.034 And we've been reading a lot of celebrity text messages 0:00:42.314 --> 0:00:44.914 these last couple of days, and it turns out they 0:00:44.954 --> 0:00:48.593 really are just like us and Minneapolis. 0:00:48.714 --> 0:00:52.034 What is going on? What does the video footage tell us? 0:00:52.074 --> 0:00:53.874 And where to from here? 0:00:54.314 --> 0:00:56.634 But first, Jesse Stevens, In. 0:00:56.554 --> 0:00:59.794 Case you missed it, Coco Goff, the twenty one year 0:00:59.794 --> 0:01:04.074 old US tennis player who last night lost to Ukrainian 0:01:04.514 --> 0:01:08.674 Elena Spittelina at the Australian Open, wishes we hadn't seen 0:01:08.954 --> 0:01:12.234 that video. So she lost in under an hour. It 0:01:12.314 --> 0:01:15.114 was very decisive and in the aftermath she was caught 0:01:15.194 --> 0:01:17.034 on video. You would have seen it if you've clicked 0:01:17.074 --> 0:01:19.914 on any articles today or you've had the TV on 0:01:20.274 --> 0:01:22.954 of her just smashing that tennis racket on like a 0:01:22.994 --> 0:01:24.074 concrete ramp. 0:01:24.394 --> 0:01:27.434 She's gone a little bit behind a wall. Yep, so 0:01:27.474 --> 0:01:30.474 she's like hiding herself from view. Yes, but there's a 0:01:30.554 --> 0:01:33.994 camera up behind her the right everything exactly. 0:01:34.034 --> 0:01:36.874 And so that has been broadcast all around the world. 0:01:36.914 --> 0:01:39.874 And look, a tennis player losing and then smashing a 0:01:39.954 --> 0:01:45.634 racket not unusual. What is unusual is how unimpressed golf was. 0:01:45.754 --> 0:01:49.674 And she expressed this that that moment was broadcast. So 0:01:49.914 --> 0:01:53.354 in a post match press conference, she said, certain moments 0:01:53.354 --> 0:01:55.314 I feel like they don't need to be broadcast. I 0:01:55.354 --> 0:01:57.394 tried to go somewhere where I thought there wasn't a 0:01:57.434 --> 0:02:01.034 camera because I don't necessarily like breaking rackets. I broke 0:02:01.074 --> 0:02:03.194 one racket at the French Open. This was a few 0:02:03.274 --> 0:02:05.514 years ago. I said I'd never do it again on 0:02:05.594 --> 0:02:08.754 court because I don't feel like that's a good representation. 0:02:09.034 --> 0:02:12.794 So yeah, maybe some conversations can be had. And she 0:02:13.034 --> 0:02:15.954 said that she wanted to take herself away so that 0:02:15.994 --> 0:02:19.034 she didn't take it out on her team, and she 0:02:19.074 --> 0:02:21.194 doesn't like to set a bad example for kids who 0:02:21.234 --> 0:02:24.314 are watching, who watch someone just lose their temper. 0:02:24.274 --> 0:02:26.234 Tic tick Coco Goff is. 0:02:26.154 --> 0:02:30.514 My pictick at the time where recording there's talk of 0:02:30.554 --> 0:02:32.434 a potential fine fifty thousand dollars. 0:02:32.474 --> 0:02:36.074 I don't think smashing the racket. Yes, behind the scenes, yes. 0:02:36.074 --> 0:02:39.594 So if you are playing a Grand Slam. The rules 0:02:39.594 --> 0:02:43.874 state that players shall not violently, dangerously or with anger, hit, kick, 0:02:43.994 --> 0:02:48.034 or throw a racket or other equipment within the precincts 0:02:48.114 --> 0:02:49.554 of the tournament site. 0:02:49.594 --> 0:02:51.194 Does that why Nick Kurrios stop playing? 0:02:51.794 --> 0:02:52.874 He's gone quiet, hasn't he? 0:02:53.194 --> 0:02:53.794 That's a little bit. 0:02:54.554 --> 0:02:57.634 Now what do we think? I'm not sure what I 0:02:57.674 --> 0:03:01.194 make of this, because, I mean, do we expect them 0:03:01.234 --> 0:03:04.154 not to broadcast it? The cameras are there. This is 0:03:04.314 --> 0:03:08.754 part of the theater of tennis. It's not like a 0:03:09.274 --> 0:03:11.674 camera chaster in. It's not like a guy with a 0:03:11.714 --> 0:03:14.394 camera chaster in and invaded her privacy in that way. 0:03:14.554 --> 0:03:16.794 I think it's fair game. What do you reckon, Amelia? 0:03:16.914 --> 0:03:19.954 I do think we're just seeing too much these days, 0:03:19.994 --> 0:03:23.794 just in everything, including the tennis. On the weekend, I 0:03:23.994 --> 0:03:28.834 was subjected to Novak Djokovic's foot like a closer of 0:03:28.954 --> 0:03:31.434 his foot as it was getting a band aid put 0:03:31.474 --> 0:03:34.234 on it, and I just thought, why do. 0:03:34.274 --> 0:03:36.634 I need to see now, I don't want to google that. 0:03:37.834 --> 0:03:40.314 Well, you can google feet in your own time, but 0:03:40.354 --> 0:03:41.994 I don't have to watch them. 0:03:42.114 --> 0:03:43.554 As the point, I don't know. 0:03:43.634 --> 0:03:46.714 It's like, isn't this why they are paid so much 0:03:46.754 --> 0:03:51.914 money because we are going to broadcast them tantrums, feet, injuries, 0:03:52.354 --> 0:03:52.914 all of it. 0:03:53.234 --> 0:03:54.714 I have a lot of sympathy for her. 0:03:54.794 --> 0:03:57.154 She said that she's felt like at this tournament, and 0:03:57.194 --> 0:04:00.994 she made appointed this tournament dig she feels like the 0:04:01.034 --> 0:04:03.474 only place where you're not on cameras in the change rooms. 0:04:04.034 --> 0:04:05.794 And the reason I have a lot of sympathy for 0:04:05.874 --> 0:04:08.154 I think is that she's trying to play against a 0:04:08.154 --> 0:04:11.274 lot of stereotypes about because she's really young, you know, 0:04:11.314 --> 0:04:14.514 it's really young player, about angry women, about all those things. 0:04:14.514 --> 0:04:17.193 She's trying to play against those stereotypes by keeping her 0:04:17.594 --> 0:04:21.874 tanty and frustration private and then everyone saw it. 0:04:21.954 --> 0:04:23.914 Anyway, I would be really pissed off too. 0:04:23.993 --> 0:04:25.993 Yeah, but you could go to the bathroom. You could 0:04:25.993 --> 0:04:27.874 go to the bathroom, Like I'm thinking, she. 0:04:27.834 --> 0:04:29.193 Couldn't make it to the bathroom. 0:04:29.474 --> 0:04:32.914 She was too angry. She was like in NRL, you've 0:04:32.914 --> 0:04:35.394 got cameras in the locker room. F one you've got 0:04:35.513 --> 0:04:38.633 broadcasting what they're saying to each other. I think that 0:04:38.914 --> 0:04:42.234 access is increasing to all sports people like we are 0:04:42.274 --> 0:04:46.354 seeing them. Certainly the access is and sorry, but we 0:04:46.393 --> 0:04:49.274 want it, Like look at how viral this footage went. 0:04:49.393 --> 0:04:51.553 The thing about this is that she will be labeled 0:04:51.594 --> 0:04:53.794 in some quarters as a tennis brat, right, which is 0:04:53.834 --> 0:04:56.594 a cliche that is handed around a lot, not only 0:04:56.594 --> 0:04:59.513 to women, I mean, obviously lots to men that she 0:04:59.794 --> 0:05:03.553 clearly is actively trying to play against by not taking 0:05:03.714 --> 0:05:05.953 out on her team, not yelling at people on court, 0:05:06.073 --> 0:05:07.394 not doing any of those things. 0:05:07.633 --> 0:05:08.513 And is that fair? 0:05:08.633 --> 0:05:11.193 I'm going to argue against myself here having said that 0:05:11.274 --> 0:05:14.553 we see too much. On the other hand, part of 0:05:14.594 --> 0:05:16.873 the reason why we watch sport is not just for 0:05:16.914 --> 0:05:20.713 the athletic achievement. It is because it is interesting to 0:05:20.873 --> 0:05:24.634 us as humans to watch other humans deal with enormous 0:05:24.794 --> 0:05:28.034 psychological pressure and to see how they deal with it, 0:05:28.154 --> 0:05:30.953 and sports people try and keep it under wraps in 0:05:30.953 --> 0:05:33.433 a way that us ordinary people could never do. We 0:05:33.433 --> 0:05:35.633 were talking before about how Jesse, you and I if 0:05:35.674 --> 0:05:37.474 we were professional tennis players. 0:05:37.234 --> 0:05:39.674 We would absolutely be labeled as hottheads. 0:05:39.714 --> 0:05:44.393 I would absolutely be arguing with the umpire routinely, so 0:05:44.513 --> 0:05:46.674 I have nothing but sympathy for them. But that's part 0:05:46.674 --> 0:05:49.753 of why we like watching sport. We like watching people 0:05:49.914 --> 0:05:50.593 under pressure. 0:05:50.914 --> 0:05:53.594 I found this incredibly relatable. I didn't judge her for it. 0:05:53.674 --> 0:05:54.713 I was like, oh, will. 0:05:54.873 --> 0:05:57.514 And you know, I understand she's trying to play against that. 0:05:57.553 --> 0:06:00.354 She's a woman. We're a lot harsher on women, not 0:06:00.474 --> 0:06:03.633 to mention black women. We saw it with the Williams sisters, 0:06:03.834 --> 0:06:05.874 like the idea that you've got a. 0:06:05.953 --> 0:06:08.593 Temper that you can't control to a higher stand. 0:06:08.674 --> 0:06:12.993 Yeah. I think tennis in particular, like any sport that's solo, 0:06:13.834 --> 0:06:17.354 you see these outbursts and they have been part and 0:06:17.393 --> 0:06:20.194 parcel of what tennis is since the game began. 0:06:20.834 --> 0:06:24.713 So sny Caveman with fashioning rackets out of tweet. 0:06:24.794 --> 0:06:29.674 It's whether or not in grass or clay. I mean, 0:06:29.714 --> 0:06:31.794 I kind of love moments like this. So maybe I'm 0:06:31.914 --> 0:06:33.234 just a bit of a perf and I just want 0:06:33.274 --> 0:06:34.354 to see people as this shit. 0:06:35.953 --> 0:06:36.193 Look. 0:06:36.234 --> 0:06:39.234 I think Amelia started twenty twenty six thinking maybe there'll 0:06:39.274 --> 0:06:41.073 be a show sometime where I don't have to do 0:06:41.113 --> 0:06:43.313 an explainer about some helli ish shit that has been 0:06:43.354 --> 0:06:45.474 unleashed in America. 0:06:45.594 --> 0:06:48.394 This week is not that week. Sorry, Amelia. 0:06:49.393 --> 0:06:52.793 We need you to help us understand what is going 0:06:52.834 --> 0:06:56.433 on in America right now. If you've been seeing headlines 0:06:56.513 --> 0:07:00.474 and frankly, very distressing videos all over your feeds about 0:07:00.474 --> 0:07:03.394 what's going on in Minneapolis at the moment, She's gonna 0:07:03.393 --> 0:07:05.873 tell us, and we're also going to get a little 0:07:05.953 --> 0:07:08.513 glimpse into a movie you might be seeing Ads Force, 0:07:08.553 --> 0:07:12.994 starring the First Lady. But first, Amelia, can we start 0:07:13.314 --> 0:07:16.833 with the videos. There has been incredibly distressing footage coming 0:07:16.834 --> 0:07:19.554 out of Minneapolis, not just this week but for a month. 0:07:19.634 --> 0:07:22.554 But everything seemed to really come to another head on 0:07:22.714 --> 0:07:24.514 Sunday with the shooting of a young man. 0:07:24.554 --> 0:07:25.794 Can you tell us a bit about that. 0:07:26.114 --> 0:07:28.074 Yeah, so you're referring to the fact that there've been 0:07:28.234 --> 0:07:32.674 two civilians killed this month in Minneapolis, which is a 0:07:32.714 --> 0:07:35.874 city in the state of Minnesota, and both of these 0:07:35.953 --> 0:07:40.474 killings were captured on mobile phones by many people who 0:07:40.474 --> 0:07:44.713 were there. The first killing was of a woman named 0:07:44.794 --> 0:07:47.274 Renee Good. She was a poet, she was a mother 0:07:47.314 --> 0:07:52.474 of three, and she was in her car talking with 0:07:52.514 --> 0:07:54.994 an Immigration and Customs enforcement agent. And we'll get to 0:07:55.034 --> 0:07:58.114 who those people are in a minute, but she actually says. 0:07:58.154 --> 0:08:00.234 Her last words in the video are she says to 0:08:00.314 --> 0:08:03.194 this Ice agent, I'm not mad at you, and she 0:08:03.354 --> 0:08:07.314 is seen visibly turning her car around to get away 0:08:07.354 --> 0:08:10.194 from him, to get away from this tense confrontation with someone, 0:08:10.754 --> 0:08:13.794 and then she is shot four times, including in the head, 0:08:14.634 --> 0:08:18.674 and a man's voice is heard afterwards calling her a 0:08:18.953 --> 0:08:23.994 fucking bitch'nbelievably distressing, it's very upsetting. And then the second 0:08:24.074 --> 0:08:27.594 video footage that people may have seen involves the killing 0:08:27.754 --> 0:08:30.114 of Alex Pretty, who was. 0:08:30.514 --> 0:08:31.834 Also in his thirties. 0:08:32.274 --> 0:08:35.354 He was an icy U nurse at a veterans hospital 0:08:36.074 --> 0:08:38.833 and the video that we've seen there is it's become 0:08:38.874 --> 0:08:41.634 pretty clear that he was actually attempting to stand in 0:08:41.634 --> 0:08:44.994 front of a woman who was being gassed by ice agents. 0:08:44.994 --> 0:08:48.434 He wanted to stop her from getting the gas in her. 0:08:48.914 --> 0:08:49.514 Eyes, yep. 0:08:49.674 --> 0:08:53.154 And then he is tackled to the ground by ice 0:08:53.194 --> 0:08:57.394 agents and then they shot him multiple times after they 0:08:57.434 --> 0:09:02.594 tackled him. And both of these videos are pretty bad, 0:09:02.634 --> 0:09:05.554 they're pretty difficult to watch, they're very upsetting, but it's 0:09:05.594 --> 0:09:09.074 interesting that renee Good was killed in the first week 0:09:09.074 --> 0:09:13.274 of January Alex Preddy was killed this past weekend, and 0:09:13.354 --> 0:09:16.394 it does seem that the pretty case is the one 0:09:16.434 --> 0:09:19.434 that is really turning the tide of public opinion against 0:09:19.434 --> 0:09:22.593 what the Trump administration is doing in Minneapolis. 0:09:22.634 --> 0:09:23.674 And what is that? 0:09:24.034 --> 0:09:27.434 So if we don't understand what these ICE raids are 0:09:27.994 --> 0:09:31.953 that are bringing sort of protesters and these agents into 0:09:31.994 --> 0:09:35.234 such close context, well, what is meant to be happening there? 0:09:35.274 --> 0:09:39.274 What is Trump trying to achieve by sending in these guys. 0:09:39.554 --> 0:09:43.514 Yeah, so Immigrations and Customs enforcement agents, they're called ICE agents. 0:09:43.594 --> 0:09:45.794 They were sent to Minneapolis in what was called the 0:09:45.834 --> 0:09:49.554 biggest immigration enforcement action ever. There were two thousand of 0:09:49.594 --> 0:09:51.994 them who were sent there over the course of January. Now, 0:09:51.994 --> 0:09:55.274 to put that in context for Australian listeners, Minneapolis is 0:09:55.314 --> 0:09:58.474 about the size of Canberra population wise, but it's actually 0:09:58.634 --> 0:10:01.754 much genser. So it's like as if Canberra was sort 0:10:01.754 --> 0:10:04.754 of packed together population wise about half a million people. 0:10:05.194 --> 0:10:10.074 So you can imagine that if two armed people came 0:10:10.114 --> 0:10:13.834 to Canberra and were dragging people out of their homes, 0:10:13.994 --> 0:10:16.994 arresting people, detaining people because they say that they are 0:10:16.994 --> 0:10:19.794 in the country illegally. Although there's plenty of evidence that 0:10:19.794 --> 0:10:22.194 they were also detaining people who were in the country legally. 0:10:22.554 --> 0:10:25.114 That would be very upsetting for the residents of Canberra, 0:10:25.234 --> 0:10:27.514 and they might try and do things to help protect 0:10:27.514 --> 0:10:30.594 their neighbors, as people in Minneapolis are doing so. They 0:10:30.634 --> 0:10:33.794 are blowing whistles to let neighbors know that ICE agents 0:10:33.794 --> 0:10:36.314 are coming into their street. They are following ICE agents. 0:10:36.314 --> 0:10:40.554 The governor of Minnesota, Tim Waaltz, who was Kamala Harris's 0:10:40.674 --> 0:10:45.594 vice presidential candidate, he has actually asked residents in Minneapolis 0:10:45.634 --> 0:10:48.394 to get out their phones and to record what the 0:10:48.434 --> 0:10:50.634 ICE agents are doing. That's part of why we have 0:10:50.794 --> 0:10:52.914 just so much footage of these shocking killings. 0:10:52.954 --> 0:10:54.994 So can you tell me who the ICE agents are? 0:10:55.074 --> 0:10:59.074 Are they like police? Are they separate to police? Who 0:10:59.074 --> 0:11:01.594 are they working for? Because they just seem like this 0:11:01.834 --> 0:11:06.434 other species of law enforcement if you would even call 0:11:06.474 --> 0:11:06.674 it that. 0:11:06.834 --> 0:11:09.634 Yeah, they are another species of law enforcement. Look, if 0:11:09.674 --> 0:11:12.834 you're curious as to who they want to join ICE 0:11:12.874 --> 0:11:15.474 the Trump administration, I would suggest you go to the 0:11:15.474 --> 0:11:19.114 website ICE dot gov slash join. I looked at this 0:11:19.154 --> 0:11:21.794 website last week and it was kind of shocking. It 0:11:21.834 --> 0:11:24.714 doesn't look like a boring website with government jobs. You 0:11:24.714 --> 0:11:27.314 know what government websites look like. They're usually pretty boring. 0:11:27.354 --> 0:11:30.674 There's some sort of like stock art of people standing 0:11:30.674 --> 0:11:33.514 around a conference table smiling at each other. No, that's 0:11:33.594 --> 0:11:35.874 not what they have on this website. It's very stark, 0:11:35.954 --> 0:11:38.194 and there's just this really big text and it reads 0:11:38.634 --> 0:11:42.554 America has been invaded by criminals and predators. We need 0:11:42.594 --> 0:11:45.394 you to get them out. You do not need an 0:11:45.434 --> 0:11:48.833 undergraduate degree. Good news, Holley. So yeah, if you join, 0:11:49.314 --> 0:11:52.234 And it's pretty clear from this that they just want 0:11:52.434 --> 0:11:57.034 anyone who feels angry at immigrants to come and join them. 0:11:57.634 --> 0:12:00.514 The training process has been really shortened ever since the 0:12:00.554 --> 0:12:04.154 Trump administration decided that immigration enforcement was their nother one priority. 0:12:04.394 --> 0:12:08.394 So they have allocated more money to US than any 0:12:08.634 --> 0:12:13.314 military anywhere in the world except the US military. That's 0:12:13.314 --> 0:12:14.314 how much money they have. 0:12:14.434 --> 0:12:16.754 And they're moving quickly, right, So they're recruiting these people 0:12:16.834 --> 0:12:18.634 and sending them out because they've sent them into other 0:12:18.714 --> 0:12:20.914 cities too, haven't they. So they're sort of moving them 0:12:20.954 --> 0:12:22.554 around the country almost. 0:12:22.274 --> 0:12:25.154 Yes, And there is some anecdotal evidence. We know they've 0:12:25.194 --> 0:12:27.914 really shortened training period for them. So ICE agents used 0:12:27.914 --> 0:12:29.874 to be trained for sixteen weeks, which I think is 0:12:29.914 --> 0:12:31.714 a reasonable amount of time for people who are allowed 0:12:31.714 --> 0:12:33.914 to walk around with guns, like dragging people out of 0:12:33.914 --> 0:12:38.074 their homes. But that's been shortened to forty seven days, 0:12:38.114 --> 0:12:41.594 which happens to be the number President Trump is. He's 0:12:41.634 --> 0:12:42.754 the forty seventh president. 0:12:42.994 --> 0:12:43.594 Oh my god. 0:12:43.754 --> 0:12:47.354 And that doesn't seem like long enough to train people 0:12:47.394 --> 0:12:49.834 to use guns and to detain people. 0:12:50.074 --> 0:12:53.034 And how is it that these videos come up? I 0:12:53.114 --> 0:12:57.114 have chosen not to watch these videos, but what I 0:12:57.154 --> 0:13:00.514 have seen is then like press conferences of people in 0:13:00.554 --> 0:13:06.714 their government denying what's in the videos and saying like, oh, 0:13:06.954 --> 0:13:10.514 he was a threat, he was armed, she did this, 0:13:10.674 --> 0:13:14.114 she did that. There seems to be these two counter 0:13:14.354 --> 0:13:17.994 narratives operating, and neither side can even speak to each 0:13:18.034 --> 0:13:19.514 other on the basis of fact. 0:13:19.994 --> 0:13:22.634 So let's get this out of the way. Alex pretty was, 0:13:22.674 --> 0:13:23.434 in fact armed. 0:13:23.674 --> 0:13:27.434 He was carrying a gun as the second amen, Yes, 0:13:27.554 --> 0:13:30.314 he was legally allowed to carry this gun, and it 0:13:30.434 --> 0:13:33.154 was I guess in his pocket or not visible. And 0:13:33.194 --> 0:13:36.154 he was holding up his phone in one hand and 0:13:36.194 --> 0:13:39.514 an open palm in his other. So what the Trump 0:13:39.554 --> 0:13:43.194 administration has tried to say is that he was coming 0:13:43.274 --> 0:13:48.514 to this protest to massacre law enforcement. But it turns 0:13:48.514 --> 0:13:51.714 out from the video that law enforcement didn't know that 0:13:51.794 --> 0:13:55.394 he had a gun until they tackled him. So the 0:13:55.474 --> 0:13:58.354 notion that they decided to go after this guy because 0:13:58.394 --> 0:14:01.634 he was brandishing a gun is not true. The interesting 0:14:01.714 --> 0:14:05.754 thing about this is that Minneapolis may ring a bell 0:14:06.034 --> 0:14:10.074 for some listeners as the place where George Floyd was 0:14:10.234 --> 0:14:14.314 murdered in twenty twenty and which led to the on 0:14:14.754 --> 0:14:17.514 mass black Lives Matter protests that happened in the American 0:14:17.554 --> 0:14:21.994 summer of twenty twenty. That murder was committed by Minneapolis 0:14:22.074 --> 0:14:25.834 police officers. But what's happening now is that the Minneapolis 0:14:25.874 --> 0:14:28.274 police is saying, we have tried really hard since twenty 0:14:28.354 --> 0:14:31.394 twenty to build relationships and trust back in the community, 0:14:31.434 --> 0:14:33.594 and now these ice agents who are separate from the 0:14:33.634 --> 0:14:37.634 police are coming in, They are brandishing guns, they are 0:14:37.634 --> 0:14:40.834 detaining people who are in the country legally, and they're 0:14:40.834 --> 0:14:43.394 eroding a lot of that trust that the police built 0:14:43.474 --> 0:14:45.154 up with the local community. 0:14:46.194 --> 0:14:48.674 So that brings us to what's happening. 0:14:48.434 --> 0:14:50.114 Now, which is that in the last twenty four hours, 0:14:50.154 --> 0:14:53.834 Trump has basically said, Okay, this went too far, which 0:14:54.034 --> 0:14:55.474 is fascinating. 0:14:54.994 --> 0:14:58.394 I've heard a lot of commentary which suggests that the 0:14:58.514 --> 0:15:01.474 videos and the fact that, for example, the shooting of 0:15:01.514 --> 0:15:03.994 Alex Prette, you can watch from every angle, right, So 0:15:04.274 --> 0:15:06.834 you were saying before that Tim Waltz said, go forth 0:15:06.874 --> 0:15:10.354 and film, and there's something a little bit there's very confronting, 0:15:10.394 --> 0:15:12.914 but it means that the spinning doesn't work. And I've 0:15:12.914 --> 0:15:14.754 seen a lot of commentary that's sort of saying that 0:15:14.954 --> 0:15:16.954 Trump is now looking at those videos and going, I 0:15:16.994 --> 0:15:19.354 can't satify as raw. 0:15:19.514 --> 0:15:22.234 And a key component is guess who's mad at him? 0:15:22.394 --> 0:15:26.354 The National Rifle Association the NRA. These are the people 0:15:26.394 --> 0:15:29.554 who for years have been pushing this idea that it 0:15:29.674 --> 0:15:32.754 is Americans god given right to carry guns, as outlined 0:15:32.754 --> 0:15:35.874 in the Second Amendment. You mentioned Jesse that school shootings 0:15:35.914 --> 0:15:38.274 happen because there aren't enough good guys with guns, And 0:15:38.354 --> 0:15:41.194 all of a sudden, Trump, a Republican president who is 0:15:41.234 --> 0:15:44.194 meant to be supported by the NRA, is saying that 0:15:44.234 --> 0:15:47.154 Alex pretty maybe deserve to be killed because he took 0:15:47.154 --> 0:15:50.234 a gun to a protest. This has angered them. So 0:15:50.434 --> 0:15:53.354 you're seeing all these interesting fractures in what used to 0:15:53.394 --> 0:15:56.034 be a coalition of say the police the NRA, the 0:15:56.074 --> 0:15:59.354 Republican president, and now that is all being torn apart, 0:15:59.394 --> 0:16:02.234 and Trump does not like that. He doesn't like feeling 0:16:02.274 --> 0:16:06.074 like his support base is dwindling, and Americans are saying 0:16:06.074 --> 0:16:08.714 in polls, we don't want we don't want people meted 0:16:08.714 --> 0:16:11.034 in the streets like It's fair to point out that 0:16:11.074 --> 0:16:14.514 a majority of Americans do want an immigration crackdown, that's 0:16:14.594 --> 0:16:17.314 what they voted for, and they also support ICE agents 0:16:17.314 --> 0:16:19.994 going into cities and doing this, but what they don't 0:16:20.034 --> 0:16:21.954 support is killing people. 0:16:22.314 --> 0:16:23.594 All of this sounds horrific. 0:16:23.714 --> 0:16:26.274 What I am seeing, though, is a lot of reporting 0:16:26.314 --> 0:16:28.794 from all kinds of publications in different places saying this 0:16:28.874 --> 0:16:31.034 is a turning point, This is a breaking point, this 0:16:31.114 --> 0:16:33.314 is going to be everything's going to change from here, 0:16:33.714 --> 0:16:34.514 maybe for the good. 0:16:34.594 --> 0:16:35.794 Maybe Trump's going to back down. 0:16:35.834 --> 0:16:36.594 Maybe. 0:16:37.434 --> 0:16:41.154 Why do you think that this particular incident or series 0:16:41.194 --> 0:16:45.714 of incidents has become quite so? I don't know if 0:16:45.754 --> 0:16:48.754 important is the right word, but seeing significant. 0:16:49.914 --> 0:16:52.154 Well, another incident that we haven't talked about, which I 0:16:52.154 --> 0:16:54.434 think has contributed to the sense that it's a turning point. 0:16:54.674 --> 0:16:56.634 I don't know if you saw that a five year 0:16:56.634 --> 0:17:00.674 old boy whose father was detained by Ice agents was 0:17:00.714 --> 0:17:04.834 also detained and CenTra, an immigration facility in Texas. There's 0:17:04.874 --> 0:17:08.634 photos of him wearing his Spider Man backpack. He's come 0:17:08.714 --> 0:17:11.994 home from school, his father is being led away by 0:17:12.034 --> 0:17:15.234 these Ice agents, and by all accounts, his mother, who 0:17:15.314 --> 0:17:17.714 was in the house where his father was detained, is saying. 0:17:17.514 --> 0:17:18.674 Please let him stay with me. 0:17:19.194 --> 0:17:21.553 But the five year old was instead taken away to 0:17:21.674 --> 0:17:25.634 Texas with his father for who knows how long. So 0:17:25.754 --> 0:17:28.634 I think the visuals of this are really upsetting. To 0:17:28.634 --> 0:17:31.674 see this five year old boy in his Spider Man backpack, 0:17:32.034 --> 0:17:35.794 with this huge looming Ice agent with a covered face 0:17:35.834 --> 0:17:38.154 and a mask standing over him, and then pushing him 0:17:38.154 --> 0:17:42.354 into a car. I don't think most Americans like that. 0:17:42.754 --> 0:17:46.074 I want to be clear. They wanted a crackdown on immigration. 0:17:46.194 --> 0:17:49.514 There is a perception that immigrants are bringing crime and disorder, 0:17:49.594 --> 0:17:51.114 particularly to American cities. 0:17:51.634 --> 0:17:53.234 But I don't think people like to. 0:17:53.194 --> 0:17:56.194 See a five year old separated from his mother and 0:17:56.314 --> 0:17:58.554 pushed into the back of a car for doing nothing wrong. 0:17:58.594 --> 0:18:01.394 And I don't think people like Alex Pretty, who was 0:18:01.434 --> 0:18:04.154 by all accounts a great guy an icy U nurse, 0:18:04.754 --> 0:18:06.674 I don't think they like to see him killed in 0:18:06.714 --> 0:18:10.914 the street either, and this gun component has really scrambled 0:18:10.914 --> 0:18:15.833 things culturally because for the right, they're very uncomfortable about 0:18:15.874 --> 0:18:18.034 Trump saying well, he shouldn't have had a gun. That's 0:18:18.074 --> 0:18:21.434 a really uncomfortable clash of cultures. 0:18:21.794 --> 0:18:26.754 Okay, onto something that is adjacent but seems ridiculous in comparison. 0:18:27.194 --> 0:18:29.593 The First Lady has a movie out this week. I 0:18:29.634 --> 0:18:31.634 hope you've all seen the trailer. This morning, I was 0:18:31.634 --> 0:18:33.474 getting ready and I had Breakfast TV on in the 0:18:33.514 --> 0:18:36.834 background and in the ad breaks, I saw several full 0:18:36.914 --> 0:18:40.714 length Milania trailers out in cinemas January the thirtieth. 0:18:40.714 --> 0:18:41.634 I've totally miss it. 0:18:41.834 --> 0:18:43.833 Yeah, all right, so I want to hear a bit 0:18:43.874 --> 0:18:44.634 about this movie. 0:18:44.954 --> 0:18:47.354 Sorry, Is it out in cinemas in Austria? 0:18:47.714 --> 0:18:49.234 Is in Australia you can go and see. 0:18:49.394 --> 0:18:50.634 I can go to Hoyt. Yeah. 0:18:50.634 --> 0:18:52.874 This is in a break on Sunrise this morning, like 0:18:53.234 --> 0:18:56.634 out in cinemas in Australia January thirty, they had a 0:18:56.634 --> 0:18:59.274 screening of this movie. It's going to have its official premiere. 0:18:59.314 --> 0:19:01.513 I saw in New York a glittering premiere. 0:19:01.554 --> 0:19:03.234 That's why I'm going to America in a weekend. 0:19:03.314 --> 0:19:07.514 Yeah, I think. Also January the twenty ninth New York. 0:19:08.034 --> 0:19:10.954 But they had a screening at the White House on 0:19:11.074 --> 0:19:14.273 the night of the Alex Preddie killing in Minneapolis, so 0:19:14.474 --> 0:19:17.314 things are very heightened there. They still had this screening. 0:19:17.354 --> 0:19:19.434 Lots of very important people turned up to bend the 0:19:19.514 --> 0:19:23.154 knee and watch the movie. Amelia, what the frick is 0:19:23.194 --> 0:19:25.834 going on with the Millennia Trump documentary? 0:19:26.074 --> 0:19:28.154 You know, if anyone listening to this things, what does 0:19:28.234 --> 0:19:30.553 she know about this? I'll tell you I am the 0:19:30.594 --> 0:19:34.074 world's foremost expert on Millannia Trump because I read her 0:19:34.114 --> 0:19:36.234 memoir and I don't think anyone else. 0:19:36.274 --> 0:19:38.194 You're the only person I know who read the whole memoir. 0:19:38.834 --> 0:19:40.594 Everything there is, Tom. 0:19:40.514 --> 0:19:44.073 If you also watched the whole documentary. 0:19:43.554 --> 0:19:45.154 Every time she comes up, we're going to be like, 0:19:45.194 --> 0:19:46.754 we're calling in an expert. 0:19:46.354 --> 0:19:49.554 And I might have to go. Actually, shall we listen 0:19:49.594 --> 0:19:50.273 to a little bit of it? 0:19:50.474 --> 0:19:54.434 Yes? You can. 0:19:54.514 --> 0:20:03.034 Want will be there, trumph together, we'd like minded leaders. 0:20:03.274 --> 0:20:05.274 We have a voice. 0:20:07.474 --> 0:20:09.594 Is it safe? 0:20:08.314 --> 0:20:08.554