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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Muma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. You're clawing your way to the

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Speaker 2: end of the year and maybe you're feeling a little

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Speaker 2: bit pissed off. We're in the midst of an October slump,

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Speaker 2: so how do we make sure we're keeping the peace

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Speaker 2: and getting on with it ahead of the festive season

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Speaker 2: Before we get there with the answer, here's Claire Murphy

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Speaker 2: with the latest from the QUICKI newsroom for Monday, October

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Speaker 2: twenty Thanks Taylor.

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Speaker 1: National's leader David little Proud is confident other MPs won't

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Speaker 1: starting in a reparably broken relationship with the Nationals and

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Speaker 1: There have been tensions within the coalition over its future

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Speaker 1: one year history. Debate over climate policy has also raged

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Speaker 1: Nationals leader has made a pitch to mister Joyce calling

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Speaker 1: potential defection. Prime Minister Anthony Alberoniezi will land in Washington

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire next How to Slide Out? Oh your October Swamp?

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Speaker 2: Have you started to notice a shift in the season.

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Speaker 2: Dare I say, Whams Last Christmas? Playing softly in the

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Speaker 2: pretty good with the end of year in sight, right,

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Speaker 2: So why then is my colleague clicking their pen making

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Speaker 2: I'm not usually one for the dramatics, but every time

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Speaker 2: we all start to feel a little cranky around October?

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Speaker 5: And maybe it's even daylight savings too.

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Speaker 4: You know, days are longer, it feels like summer is here,

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Speaker 2: these feelings lingering, if we just continue to get grouch

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Speaker 5: I think, like with anything, anything you let.

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Speaker 2: This idea of the October slide or the October slump,

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Speaker 2: We're all thinking of going to the beach. People are

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I definitely see it.

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Speaker 4: So I think it's refreshing the why because we can

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Speaker 4: And I don't think there's anything wrong with incentives, you know,

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Speaker 3: Last few months of the year.

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Speaker 2: It feels like a lot of those questions that we

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Speaker 4: And I think it's interesting the whole news resolutions things.

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Speaker 4: I do find that I often don't have the same

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Speaker 2: And if we maybe dug down and really thought about it,

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Speaker 5: Maybe some radical acceptance too.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes we need to radically accept that I really wanted

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. Hey, before we go, in case you missed it,

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Speaker 2: Sarah is actually hosting a brand new podcast here at

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia. This is why we Fight. It's bringing you

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Speaker 2: Sarah herself, all real life, no scripting, just honest therapy.

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Speaker 2: to listen now. Episode one is currently live. The quickie

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Speaker 2: is produced by me Tabor Strano, Laria Brophy and Clare Murphy,

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Speaker 2: with audio production by Lou Hill