1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:13,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. 2 00:00:14,094 --> 00:00:17,214 Speaker 2: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,214 --> 00:00:21,054 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on It's Lee as in key. 4 00:00:23,534 --> 00:00:26,774 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily 5 00:00:26,814 --> 00:00:31,654 Speaker 3: news podcast, The Quickie. The Liberals have a woman problem, 6 00:00:32,054 --> 00:00:35,294 Speaker 3: at least that's the wash up following a historic loss 7 00:00:35,374 --> 00:00:38,974 Speaker 3: at this year's federal election. But how do they get 8 00:00:38,974 --> 00:00:42,174 Speaker 3: the show back on the road and women back on side. 9 00:00:42,894 --> 00:00:46,534 Speaker 3: Maybe their first ever female leader in Susan Lee, is 10 00:00:46,574 --> 00:00:47,894 Speaker 3: the key to leading the way. 11 00:00:48,494 --> 00:00:49,174 Speaker 4: We'll hear what she. 12 00:00:49,214 --> 00:00:52,254 Speaker 3: Thinks in just a moment, but first, here's Claire Murphy 13 00:00:52,334 --> 00:00:56,214 Speaker 3: with the latest from the Quickie newsroom for Wednesday, October fifteen. 14 00:00:56,574 --> 00:00:57,254 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. 15 00:00:57,414 --> 00:01:00,094 Speaker 2: Israel has delayed aid into the Gaza Strip and kept 16 00:01:00,094 --> 00:01:02,894 Speaker 2: the borders shut, while Hamas fighters have re emerged in 17 00:01:02,974 --> 00:01:06,454 Speaker 2: tragic scenes, darkening the outlook for US President Donald Trump's 18 00:01:06,494 --> 00:01:09,894 Speaker 2: plan to end the war. Three Israeli officials said Israel 19 00:01:09,934 --> 00:01:12,814 Speaker 2: had decided to restrict aid into the enclave and delay 20 00:01:12,894 --> 00:01:16,094 Speaker 2: plans to open the border crossing to Egypt because Hamas 21 00:01:16,094 --> 00:01:19,014 Speaker 2: had been too slow to turn over bodies of dead hostages. 22 00:01:19,334 --> 00:01:22,134 Speaker 2: On Monday, the US President proclaimed the historic dawn of 23 00:01:22,174 --> 00:01:25,014 Speaker 2: a new Middle East to Israel's parliament, as Israel and 24 00:01:25,054 --> 00:01:28,294 Speaker 2: Hamas were exchanging the last twenty living Israeli hostages in 25 00:01:28,334 --> 00:01:32,374 Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip for nearly two thousand Palestinian detainees and prisoners, 26 00:01:32,694 --> 00:01:35,614 Speaker 2: but so far Hamas has handed over only four coffins 27 00:01:35,654 --> 00:01:39,174 Speaker 2: of dead hostages, leaving at least twenty three presumed dead 28 00:01:39,214 --> 00:01:42,494 Speaker 2: and one unaccounted for. The militant group has said locating 29 00:01:42,534 --> 00:01:46,254 Speaker 2: the bodies is difficult. Meanwhile, Hamas has swiftly reclaimed the 30 00:01:46,254 --> 00:01:49,014 Speaker 2: streets of the Gaza Strip's urban areas following the partial 31 00:01:49,054 --> 00:01:52,294 Speaker 2: withdrawal of Israeli troops last week. In a video circulating 32 00:01:52,414 --> 00:01:55,254 Speaker 2: late on Monday, HAMAS fighters dragged seven men with their 33 00:01:55,294 --> 00:01:58,574 Speaker 2: hands tied behind their backs into a Gaza city square, 34 00:01:58,934 --> 00:02:01,854 Speaker 2: forced them to their knees, and executed them as dozens 35 00:02:01,894 --> 00:02:05,414 Speaker 2: of onlookers watched from nearby shop fronts. Trump has given 36 00:02:05,454 --> 00:02:08,294 Speaker 2: his blessing for Hamas to reassert some control of the strip, 37 00:02:08,334 --> 00:02:11,454 Speaker 2: at least temporarily. Aid trunks have yet to be permitted 38 00:02:11,454 --> 00:02:13,974 Speaker 2: to enter the Gaza Strip at the full anticipated rate 39 00:02:14,014 --> 00:02:16,334 Speaker 2: of hundreds per day. And plans have yet to be 40 00:02:16,374 --> 00:02:19,294 Speaker 2: implemented to open the crossing to Egypt to let some 41 00:02:19,454 --> 00:02:24,014 Speaker 2: Gazans out, initially to relocate the wounded for medical treatment. Meanwhile, 42 00:02:24,094 --> 00:02:26,534 Speaker 2: Israeli drone fire killed five people as they went to 43 00:02:26,614 --> 00:02:29,054 Speaker 2: check on houses in a suburb east of Gaza City, 44 00:02:29,334 --> 00:02:32,294 Speaker 2: and an airstrike killed one person and injured another near 45 00:02:32,374 --> 00:02:36,494 Speaker 2: khan unis Hamas accused Israel of violating the ceasefire. The 46 00:02:36,534 --> 00:02:39,214 Speaker 2: Israeli military said it had fired on people who crossed 47 00:02:39,214 --> 00:02:42,374 Speaker 2: truth lines and approached its forces after ignoring calls to 48 00:02:42,414 --> 00:02:46,054 Speaker 2: turn back. Teenagers with Instagram will soon be restricted to 49 00:02:46,134 --> 00:02:49,614 Speaker 2: viewing content in line with PG thirteen movie ratings as 50 00:02:49,654 --> 00:02:52,974 Speaker 2: Australia readies for a world first social media ban. From 51 00:02:53,014 --> 00:02:55,934 Speaker 2: December ten, people across Australia under the age of sixteen 52 00:02:55,974 --> 00:02:59,374 Speaker 2: will no longer have access to social media accounts, increasing 53 00:02:59,414 --> 00:03:02,454 Speaker 2: the minimum age from thirteen. Ahead of the looming deadline, 54 00:03:02,534 --> 00:03:06,134 Speaker 2: Instagram has announced changes to its teen Accounts feature. Under 55 00:03:06,174 --> 00:03:08,494 Speaker 2: the changes, teenagers will no longer be able to follow 56 00:03:08,494 --> 00:03:12,774 Speaker 2: accounts a platform found regularly shares age inappropriate content, or 57 00:03:12,774 --> 00:03:15,454 Speaker 2: if their name or bio suggests the account is inappropriate 58 00:03:15,494 --> 00:03:18,294 Speaker 2: for teens. If teens already follow these accounts, they'll no 59 00:03:18,334 --> 00:03:20,694 Speaker 2: longer be able to see or interact with their content 60 00:03:20,854 --> 00:03:24,174 Speaker 2: or send direct messages. Instagram has also broaden the range 61 00:03:24,214 --> 00:03:26,654 Speaker 2: of mature search terms that are blog from teen accounts, 62 00:03:26,654 --> 00:03:30,654 Speaker 2: including alcohol and gore. Teens under eighteen will be automatically 63 00:03:30,694 --> 00:03:33,814 Speaker 2: placed into an updated thirteen plus setting, and they won't 64 00:03:33,814 --> 00:03:37,294 Speaker 2: be able to opt out without their parents' permission. Tara Hopkins, 65 00:03:37,294 --> 00:03:40,854 Speaker 2: a Global director of Public Policy at Instagram's parent company Meta, 66 00:03:40,974 --> 00:03:43,534 Speaker 2: denied the changes were a last ditch effort to skirt 67 00:03:43,574 --> 00:03:46,534 Speaker 2: Australia's under sixteen social media ban, saying it will be 68 00:03:46,614 --> 00:03:49,414 Speaker 2: a global rollout and that this wasn't built specifically for 69 00:03:49,454 --> 00:03:52,214 Speaker 2: Australia and what Australia's going through with the social media ban. 70 00:03:52,774 --> 00:03:55,654 Speaker 2: US Far right commentator Candice Owens will today find out 71 00:03:55,694 --> 00:03:57,414 Speaker 2: if her appeal in the High Court to have her 72 00:03:57,534 --> 00:04:00,854 Speaker 2: visa ban overturned is successful. Owens had to cancel her 73 00:04:00,894 --> 00:04:03,534 Speaker 2: plan speaking to Her of Australia in November last year 74 00:04:03,854 --> 00:04:06,974 Speaker 2: after her visa was rejected by Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, 75 00:04:07,174 --> 00:04:10,094 Speaker 2: who said her visit would incite discord and her views 76 00:04:10,134 --> 00:04:13,614 Speaker 2: downplaying the impact of the Holocaust and claiming Muslims started 77 00:04:13,654 --> 00:04:17,214 Speaker 2: slavery meant Australia's national interest is best served when Candice 78 00:04:17,254 --> 00:04:20,694 Speaker 2: Owens is somewhere else. Owens argued her visa rejection went 79 00:04:20,734 --> 00:04:24,814 Speaker 2: against implied freedom of political communication. Her lawyers are arguing 80 00:04:24,854 --> 00:04:27,534 Speaker 2: that the character test on which visa rejection decisions are 81 00:04:27,574 --> 00:04:30,774 Speaker 2: made are more likely to exclude non mainstream political views, 82 00:04:31,094 --> 00:04:34,014 Speaker 2: and that the inciting discord threshold was too broad and 83 00:04:34,054 --> 00:04:36,654 Speaker 2: meant visas could be withheld from people who will stimulate 84 00:04:36,694 --> 00:04:40,334 Speaker 2: debate the minister doesn't like. The Commonwealth contends Owens could 85 00:04:40,414 --> 00:04:44,214 Speaker 2: encourage extremist behavior, risk vilifying parts of the community, or 86 00:04:44,254 --> 00:04:47,374 Speaker 2: incite civil unrest if she were allowed into Australia, and 87 00:04:47,374 --> 00:04:51,094 Speaker 2: this constituted an unacceptable risk. The court documents point to 88 00:04:51,134 --> 00:04:53,094 Speaker 2: her being named in the manifesto of the man who 89 00:04:53,094 --> 00:04:56,334 Speaker 2: claimed responsibility for a massacre at two New Zealand mosques. 90 00:04:56,854 --> 00:04:59,134 Speaker 2: There's another Ossie name on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, 91 00:04:59,174 --> 00:05:02,294 Speaker 2: with actress Naomi Watts receiving the accolade. The star was 92 00:05:02,334 --> 00:05:05,974 Speaker 2: asked how her Australian upbringing impacted her career. What's saying 93 00:05:05,974 --> 00:05:08,334 Speaker 2: Ossies know how to work hard and keep their hearts 94 00:05:08,334 --> 00:05:10,934 Speaker 2: on their sleeves at the same time the unveiling of 95 00:05:10,974 --> 00:05:13,094 Speaker 2: the latest star on the Infamous Walks or A number 96 00:05:13,134 --> 00:05:16,254 Speaker 2: of other celebrities turn out in support, including Jack Black, 97 00:05:16,374 --> 00:05:20,214 Speaker 2: Sarah Paulsen, Nissi Nash Betts and Edward Norton. Watt's husband 98 00:05:20,254 --> 00:05:23,094 Speaker 2: Billy Crudup stood alongside her, as did her son Sasha, 99 00:05:23,134 --> 00:05:26,014 Speaker 2: who now towers over his mum. Her daughter wasn't there, 100 00:05:26,014 --> 00:05:28,694 Speaker 2: but posted a tribute to her mum star on social media. 101 00:05:29,334 --> 00:05:29,934 Speaker 4: Thanks Claire. 102 00:05:30,094 --> 00:05:41,174 Speaker 3: Next Opposition leader Susan Lee. Whether you lean left, right 103 00:05:41,414 --> 00:05:44,974 Speaker 3: or somewhere in between, it's no secret that Australian politics 104 00:05:44,974 --> 00:05:47,494 Speaker 3: has always been well a bit of a boys club. 105 00:05:47,934 --> 00:05:51,334 Speaker 3: Women left to talk amongst themselves may be afforded power 106 00:05:51,454 --> 00:05:56,094 Speaker 3: in drooms and drabs. So how does someone like Susan Lee, 107 00:05:56,254 --> 00:05:59,774 Speaker 3: the Liberal Party's first ever female leader, see the future 108 00:05:59,894 --> 00:06:03,054 Speaker 3: for women in politics and what's her vision for a 109 00:06:03,094 --> 00:06:06,614 Speaker 3: Liberal Party buying for the attention and votes of women 110 00:06:06,734 --> 00:06:07,654 Speaker 3: across Australia. 111 00:06:08,214 --> 00:06:08,934 Speaker 4: Let's ask her. 112 00:06:10,574 --> 00:06:11,734 Speaker 1: Two people call you ta. 113 00:06:11,854 --> 00:06:14,094 Speaker 3: Yeah, It's a hard time to be a tailor because 114 00:06:14,174 --> 00:06:17,654 Speaker 3: every time someone says Taylor in this office about Taylor Swift, 115 00:06:17,734 --> 00:06:19,734 Speaker 3: it's never about me, which is fine. 116 00:06:19,774 --> 00:06:21,694 Speaker 4: I've learned to deal with it. But there's a lot 117 00:06:21,694 --> 00:06:22,374 Speaker 4: of Taylor chatter. 118 00:06:24,414 --> 00:06:26,854 Speaker 1: No, it's not that I dislike I've just never really 119 00:06:27,214 --> 00:06:31,254 Speaker 1: kind of Yeah, I'm kind of more grunge, indie post punk. 120 00:06:31,694 --> 00:06:33,054 Speaker 1: I was a punk in my teens. 121 00:06:33,574 --> 00:06:35,854 Speaker 3: Okay, what's your top pick? 122 00:06:35,974 --> 00:06:37,934 Speaker 1: Look, well, you like we go back to the eighties punk, 123 00:06:37,974 --> 00:06:39,974 Speaker 1: but you know that would be a bit crazy. But like, 124 00:06:40,054 --> 00:06:42,894 Speaker 1: I love Australian post punk. So I'm listening to quite 125 00:06:42,894 --> 00:06:44,334 Speaker 1: a lot of Gang of Views at the moment, which 126 00:06:44,334 --> 00:06:44,894 Speaker 1: is yeah. 127 00:06:44,814 --> 00:06:46,534 Speaker 4: Great, excellent, very very good. 128 00:06:46,614 --> 00:06:48,854 Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit of Eddy Current Suppression ring stuff 129 00:06:48,934 --> 00:06:49,214 Speaker 3: like that. 130 00:06:49,934 --> 00:06:50,334 Speaker 4: Very good. 131 00:06:50,334 --> 00:06:52,694 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll have to come back for a music chat. 132 00:06:52,774 --> 00:06:53,574 Speaker 4: We'll have to do that. 133 00:06:53,814 --> 00:06:55,734 Speaker 1: We'll come back for Desert Island discs. 134 00:06:55,814 --> 00:06:57,374 Speaker 4: Oh, that'd be great, we can swap. 135 00:06:57,614 --> 00:06:59,494 Speaker 1: Yeah. But actually, you know, one of the first punk 136 00:06:59,534 --> 00:07:02,174 Speaker 1: bands in the world was The Saints, which came out 137 00:07:02,214 --> 00:07:05,614 Speaker 1: of Brisbane. Yes, which was before I mean, I was 138 00:07:05,654 --> 00:07:07,294 Speaker 1: like right on the I used to get the New 139 00:07:07,374 --> 00:07:11,134 Speaker 1: Musical Express mailed from England to read. Really yeah, one 140 00:07:11,174 --> 00:07:11,934 Speaker 1: hundred years ago. 141 00:07:12,174 --> 00:07:14,574 Speaker 4: So did you go to those early Saints show? 142 00:07:14,694 --> 00:07:17,934 Speaker 1: Now into early everything? Yeah, it was punk in Canberra. Great, yeah, 143 00:07:17,934 --> 00:07:19,654 Speaker 1: which was Camera was the epicenter of the punks. I 144 00:07:19,654 --> 00:07:21,294 Speaker 1: was going to say the many punks then yeah, it 145 00:07:21,494 --> 00:07:24,014 Speaker 1: was the epicent of the Australian punk scene in the eighties. 146 00:07:24,054 --> 00:07:27,294 Speaker 3: I grew up in Western Australia, a very rich music history. 147 00:07:27,454 --> 00:07:28,974 Speaker 4: Does music there strangely? 148 00:07:29,014 --> 00:07:31,214 Speaker 1: Does? You probably don't think it's strange, but no. 149 00:07:31,254 --> 00:07:33,374 Speaker 3: There's something about Camera and Perth are both like these 150 00:07:33,374 --> 00:07:38,214 Speaker 3: little microcosms that you're forced to make your own fun in. Okay, Susan, 151 00:07:38,294 --> 00:07:40,854 Speaker 3: let's start with something that's in the news today. Of course, 152 00:07:40,894 --> 00:07:45,454 Speaker 3: we've seen these data leaks that involve phone numbers of 153 00:07:45,494 --> 00:07:46,534 Speaker 3: yourself and. 154 00:07:46,614 --> 00:07:49,054 Speaker 4: A couple of your political colleagues. 155 00:07:49,374 --> 00:07:52,454 Speaker 3: I want to know, is your phone blowing up right 156 00:07:52,454 --> 00:07:55,014 Speaker 3: now or have you had to switch it to silent mode. 157 00:07:55,094 --> 00:07:56,774 Speaker 1: I've got to be honest. I haven't had a single 158 00:07:56,814 --> 00:08:01,094 Speaker 1: call except from one of the media people who did 159 00:08:01,134 --> 00:08:03,454 Speaker 1: the data leak to alert me to it, who sent 160 00:08:03,494 --> 00:08:06,134 Speaker 1: me a voicemail message yesterday. Other than that, no one 161 00:08:06,214 --> 00:08:09,334 Speaker 1: has called. Maybe there's a problem. 162 00:08:08,534 --> 00:08:11,454 Speaker 3: Maybe it was in fact the incorrect phone number. 163 00:08:11,454 --> 00:08:14,574 Speaker 1: Then I think it was the right phone number. Okay, yes, yeah, 164 00:08:14,694 --> 00:08:16,054 Speaker 1: I think there's two issues here. I think we have 165 00:08:16,094 --> 00:08:18,134 Speaker 1: to be careful about privacy and there's obviously a role 166 00:08:18,174 --> 00:08:21,014 Speaker 1: for government in making sure that we manage people's privacy, 167 00:08:21,054 --> 00:08:24,214 Speaker 1: and someone you don't want to access your information shouldn't 168 00:08:24,254 --> 00:08:27,094 Speaker 1: access your information. Having said that, I give my number 169 00:08:27,094 --> 00:08:29,854 Speaker 1: to a lot of people because I'm a member of Parliament. 170 00:08:29,894 --> 00:08:32,574 Speaker 1: I feel that as a representative. If I'm talking to 171 00:08:32,614 --> 00:08:34,894 Speaker 1: someone and I want them to be able to connect 172 00:08:34,934 --> 00:08:37,774 Speaker 1: with me at a time in the future, I give 173 00:08:37,774 --> 00:08:38,334 Speaker 1: them my number. 174 00:08:38,574 --> 00:08:40,014 Speaker 3: I imagine a lot of people want to speak to 175 00:08:40,014 --> 00:08:41,654 Speaker 3: you at all times of the day and night as well. 176 00:08:41,694 --> 00:08:45,734 Speaker 1: Though I'm totally relaxed about that. I think Australians are wonderful, 177 00:08:46,854 --> 00:08:51,054 Speaker 1: generous people who respect boundaries and privacy, and obviously there's 178 00:08:51,254 --> 00:08:54,334 Speaker 1: notable exceptions to that. But the country I'm migrated to 179 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:58,374 Speaker 1: as a hopeful, optimistic teenager in the mid nineteen seventies 180 00:08:58,414 --> 00:09:01,094 Speaker 1: is the country I see around me today and it 181 00:09:01,254 --> 00:09:04,654 Speaker 1: just always fills me with inspiration, optimism and hope for 182 00:09:04,694 --> 00:09:05,174 Speaker 1: the future. 183 00:09:05,374 --> 00:09:07,774 Speaker 3: Well let's track back a little bit, because a lot 184 00:09:07,774 --> 00:09:09,454 Speaker 3: of Australians out there, and a lot of the womenless 185 00:09:09,854 --> 00:09:11,694 Speaker 3: might know the name Susan Lee. They know who you 186 00:09:11,734 --> 00:09:15,414 Speaker 3: are now, but there's a very interesting past and origin 187 00:09:15,534 --> 00:09:19,214 Speaker 3: story for you, including things like growing up across the 188 00:09:19,214 --> 00:09:22,454 Speaker 3: Middle East and the UK, being born in Nigeria, immigrating 189 00:09:22,454 --> 00:09:25,094 Speaker 3: to Australia as a teen. Tell us a little bit 190 00:09:25,094 --> 00:09:28,094 Speaker 3: about your backstory. How did all of those places come 191 00:09:28,094 --> 00:09:29,094 Speaker 3: into the story for you. 192 00:09:29,374 --> 00:09:31,374 Speaker 1: I was born in Africa, as you say, in Nigeria. 193 00:09:31,694 --> 00:09:35,534 Speaker 1: My father worked with British intelligence in the Emirates, and 194 00:09:35,974 --> 00:09:38,734 Speaker 1: I spent my early formative years in the UAE in 195 00:09:39,174 --> 00:09:43,174 Speaker 1: various different locations and absolutely came to love that part 196 00:09:43,214 --> 00:09:46,014 Speaker 1: of the world. Love the landscape, love the desert, love 197 00:09:46,054 --> 00:09:48,494 Speaker 1: the people. I would jump into the jeep with my 198 00:09:48,574 --> 00:09:51,694 Speaker 1: dad after school and you know, he would be yelling 199 00:09:51,734 --> 00:09:55,414 Speaker 1: in Arabic at all his contacts and shattering and we'd 200 00:09:55,454 --> 00:09:58,814 Speaker 1: have cups of Arabic coffee and sweets, which I wasn't 201 00:09:58,814 --> 00:10:00,534 Speaker 1: allowed at home, but I was where we went out, 202 00:10:01,214 --> 00:10:06,694 Speaker 1: and I just had this sense of a vibrant, incredible community, 203 00:10:07,294 --> 00:10:09,534 Speaker 1: and I think that's why I love the Australian out 204 00:10:09,694 --> 00:10:12,934 Speaker 1: so much. Went to boarding school though at ten, which 205 00:10:13,014 --> 00:10:16,134 Speaker 1: was a massive wrench for me and very hard to 206 00:10:16,214 --> 00:10:18,694 Speaker 1: be sent effectively to the other side of the world 207 00:10:19,294 --> 00:10:22,934 Speaker 1: with no contact, no phone, no anything. I just waited 208 00:10:22,934 --> 00:10:25,894 Speaker 1: for the letters to arrive. And you know when my 209 00:10:26,134 --> 00:10:30,094 Speaker 1: dad said, we're moving to Australia because it's the greatest 210 00:10:30,134 --> 00:10:32,854 Speaker 1: country on earth. He'd visited here in the nineteen fifties 211 00:10:33,334 --> 00:10:35,614 Speaker 1: as a crocodile shooter and he owned a pup in 212 00:10:35,654 --> 00:10:37,774 Speaker 1: sent Kilda. My mum had come here as a nurse 213 00:10:37,814 --> 00:10:40,734 Speaker 1: to Thursday al And separately, but they wanted to bring 214 00:10:40,734 --> 00:10:42,934 Speaker 1: their family for this next stage to Australia. And I 215 00:10:42,974 --> 00:10:45,494 Speaker 1: remember getting out of the plane in Brisbane. This is 216 00:10:45,654 --> 00:10:48,894 Speaker 1: brilliant blue sky from you know, the cold English boarding school. 217 00:10:49,414 --> 00:10:52,494 Speaker 1: And the pilot stepped out from the cockpit and said, 218 00:10:52,694 --> 00:10:54,294 Speaker 1: I was traveling on my own. Where are you going, 219 00:10:54,294 --> 00:10:57,134 Speaker 1: little girl? And I said, I've come to Australia to live. 220 00:10:57,174 --> 00:10:59,494 Speaker 1: And he said to me, you've come to the best 221 00:10:59,494 --> 00:11:00,294 Speaker 1: country on Earth. 222 00:11:00,334 --> 00:11:02,774 Speaker 3: It's clear that your parents have instilled this sense of 223 00:11:03,134 --> 00:11:06,374 Speaker 3: adventure and independence and freedom in you. Because looking at 224 00:11:06,414 --> 00:11:09,894 Speaker 3: your resume of pasted him. Before politics enters the picture, 225 00:11:10,094 --> 00:11:13,334 Speaker 3: things like flying a plane come into that scenario. 226 00:11:13,774 --> 00:11:14,494 Speaker 4: Do you still fly? 227 00:11:14,774 --> 00:11:17,294 Speaker 1: I do. I have a small plane, Assessona one eighty two. 228 00:11:17,294 --> 00:11:19,894 Speaker 1: It spends more time in the hangar than it does outside, 229 00:11:20,174 --> 00:11:23,974 Speaker 1: and I passionately love everything to do with flying and 230 00:11:24,094 --> 00:11:26,374 Speaker 1: aviation from my mother would say, if it didn't have wings, 231 00:11:26,414 --> 00:11:29,654 Speaker 1: I'd throw it out of the cot. And I always 232 00:11:29,654 --> 00:11:33,134 Speaker 1: wanted to fly, and when I was young, I was told, well, 233 00:11:33,334 --> 00:11:35,614 Speaker 1: you can't fly, you're a girl, and you wear glasses, 234 00:11:35,654 --> 00:11:38,574 Speaker 1: and by the way, you're incredibly uncoordinated. All of those 235 00:11:38,614 --> 00:11:42,974 Speaker 1: things were are true. But then I sort of bumped 236 00:11:42,974 --> 00:11:45,254 Speaker 1: into some people who said, actually, you can get a 237 00:11:45,254 --> 00:11:48,054 Speaker 1: pilot's license, and my whole life changed. From that point 238 00:11:48,574 --> 00:11:53,054 Speaker 1: I would have been about eighteen. I just focused completely 239 00:11:53,174 --> 00:11:56,974 Speaker 1: on what does it take? And I work three jobs 240 00:11:57,374 --> 00:12:00,174 Speaker 1: because my parents said, look, if you want something badly enough, 241 00:12:00,214 --> 00:12:01,614 Speaker 1: you'll find a way to make it happen. And by 242 00:12:01,614 --> 00:12:03,694 Speaker 1: the way, it's not a very good idea. We want 243 00:12:03,694 --> 00:12:05,654 Speaker 1: you to go to university and get a proper job. 244 00:12:05,774 --> 00:12:07,694 Speaker 1: But I worked through jobs. I worked in an office, 245 00:12:07,694 --> 00:12:10,694 Speaker 1: I worked in a takeaway food caravan. I vacuumed the 246 00:12:10,734 --> 00:12:14,374 Speaker 1: department's store in Belconnon about two o'clock in the morning. 247 00:12:15,094 --> 00:12:18,774 Speaker 1: But I felt so excited to have this goal of 248 00:12:18,854 --> 00:12:21,374 Speaker 1: learning to fly. I lived in a bed, sat under 249 00:12:21,374 --> 00:12:24,214 Speaker 1: the bridge in Queenbean, which in those days wasn't the 250 00:12:24,294 --> 00:12:28,334 Speaker 1: most salubrious address. And yeah, I just lived for my flying. 251 00:12:28,574 --> 00:12:31,414 Speaker 1: And you know, there was some I call them private 252 00:12:31,454 --> 00:12:34,974 Speaker 1: school boys whose parents bankrolled their lessons, but I paid 253 00:12:34,974 --> 00:12:37,774 Speaker 1: for every single minute I spent in the air, and 254 00:12:37,814 --> 00:12:40,694 Speaker 1: there were a lot of minutes, because I wasn't actually 255 00:12:40,694 --> 00:12:43,454 Speaker 1: that good when I started. In fact, I was so 256 00:12:43,614 --> 00:12:46,054 Speaker 1: bad that the instructor said to me, after I don't know, 257 00:12:46,094 --> 00:12:48,454 Speaker 1: fifteen hours, why are you doing this. Part of the 258 00:12:48,494 --> 00:12:51,334 Speaker 1: reason was I was quite air sick, but I just persisted, 259 00:12:51,414 --> 00:12:55,454 Speaker 1: dug in and yeah, everyone who's flown and remembers their 260 00:12:55,494 --> 00:12:57,494 Speaker 1: first solo and they walked ten feet above the ground 261 00:12:57,494 --> 00:12:59,374 Speaker 1: for the rest of the day. And then my whole 262 00:12:59,414 --> 00:13:01,654 Speaker 1: life was captured by aviation. By flying. Was an air 263 00:13:01,654 --> 00:13:04,894 Speaker 1: traffic controller. I went and flew aerial stock mustering planes 264 00:13:04,934 --> 00:13:09,854 Speaker 1: in western Queensland in very much a male dominated world. 265 00:13:10,494 --> 00:13:13,294 Speaker 1: I would have loved to fly the big jets. You know, 266 00:13:13,334 --> 00:13:15,054 Speaker 1: there was a view that women didn't really sit in 267 00:13:15,094 --> 00:13:17,974 Speaker 1: the front left hand seat of vetty aircraft. So that's 268 00:13:18,014 --> 00:13:21,374 Speaker 1: actually how I ended up aerial mustering. And that was 269 00:13:21,614 --> 00:13:24,814 Speaker 1: amazing because I flew very small planes, very close to 270 00:13:24,854 --> 00:13:28,734 Speaker 1: the ground in very remote locations, and then worked in 271 00:13:28,734 --> 00:13:32,654 Speaker 1: the sharing sheds of western Queensland, and the sharing sheds 272 00:13:32,654 --> 00:13:34,374 Speaker 1: are another male dominated industry. 273 00:13:34,614 --> 00:13:36,414 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been in a lot of places that women 274 00:13:36,694 --> 00:13:37,934 Speaker 3: wouldn't usually be welcome. 275 00:13:38,294 --> 00:13:42,334 Speaker 1: I will always say that the wisdom and you know, 276 00:13:42,414 --> 00:13:45,294 Speaker 1: the instinctive I don't know. There's sort of australianists that 277 00:13:45,334 --> 00:13:47,574 Speaker 1: comes from the boys in the blue singlet sitting at 278 00:13:47,574 --> 00:13:49,814 Speaker 1: the huts at the end of a long day. And 279 00:13:49,894 --> 00:13:51,814 Speaker 1: I worked, by the way, when I went from flying 280 00:13:51,854 --> 00:13:56,134 Speaker 1: to the sheds, harder than I've physically worked. And I've 281 00:13:56,174 --> 00:14:00,094 Speaker 1: done some pretty pretty physical things in my life, including 282 00:14:00,134 --> 00:14:01,894 Speaker 1: the time I spent on the family farm with the 283 00:14:01,974 --> 00:14:06,414 Speaker 1: kids and milking cows and all of that. But to 284 00:14:06,454 --> 00:14:09,534 Speaker 1: see how people you know, do a hard day's work, 285 00:14:09,534 --> 00:14:13,454 Speaker 1: work in the hot sun gave me real respect for 286 00:14:13,574 --> 00:14:17,854 Speaker 1: manual work. And people might not be as articulate, or 287 00:14:17,854 --> 00:14:21,574 Speaker 1: as well read, or as inverted commas educated. You put 288 00:14:21,574 --> 00:14:24,974 Speaker 1: all that aside and you look at the true value 289 00:14:25,054 --> 00:14:28,574 Speaker 1: of a person, and you see it in a lot 290 00:14:28,574 --> 00:14:30,774 Speaker 1: of these individuals. And I have carried that lesson with 291 00:14:30,894 --> 00:14:32,414 Speaker 1: me in what I do today. 292 00:14:32,614 --> 00:14:34,734 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you can't lead to people that you don't know, 293 00:14:34,854 --> 00:14:37,214 Speaker 3: so it's amazing to hear all the different places that 294 00:14:37,214 --> 00:14:39,894 Speaker 3: you've gone with work. We've seen in the news this 295 00:14:39,974 --> 00:14:42,894 Speaker 3: week in the Middle East, in Israel and in Palestine 296 00:14:42,934 --> 00:14:46,734 Speaker 3: as well. There's a ceasefire that seems to be holding 297 00:14:46,854 --> 00:14:50,094 Speaker 3: hostages and prisoners are being swapped, reunited with their loved 298 00:14:50,094 --> 00:14:53,974 Speaker 3: ones and their families. I want to know from your perspective, 299 00:14:54,694 --> 00:14:58,894 Speaker 3: what's next in all of this for Australia. You've vowed 300 00:14:58,934 --> 00:15:02,814 Speaker 3: to evoke Australia's recognition of Palestinian statehood, writing to the 301 00:15:03,054 --> 00:15:07,574 Speaker 3: US Republicans to flag the coalition's position. If not a 302 00:15:07,734 --> 00:15:11,334 Speaker 3: two state solution, if not Palestine in statehood, what is 303 00:15:11,374 --> 00:15:13,614 Speaker 3: it then that we move forward to make sure that 304 00:15:13,614 --> 00:15:17,094 Speaker 3: what we've seen the last two years in Gaza never 305 00:15:17,134 --> 00:15:17,774 Speaker 3: happens again. 306 00:15:18,614 --> 00:15:21,174 Speaker 1: I do want to see a two state solution. I 307 00:15:21,214 --> 00:15:24,094 Speaker 1: want to see that happen at the right time, which 308 00:15:24,094 --> 00:15:26,694 Speaker 1: is at the end of a priest process, not during 309 00:15:26,974 --> 00:15:30,294 Speaker 1: a process which wasn't about peace but was about terrorists 310 00:15:30,534 --> 00:15:33,734 Speaker 1: mass in charge in the Gaza Strip and all of 311 00:15:33,774 --> 00:15:36,214 Speaker 1: the evil that was wrought under them. I do want 312 00:15:36,214 --> 00:15:38,214 Speaker 1: to see a two state solution. I am a friend 313 00:15:38,214 --> 00:15:40,774 Speaker 1: of the Palestinians, I'm a friend of the Jewish people, 314 00:15:41,374 --> 00:15:46,694 Speaker 1: and I've looked with despair at the implications for our 315 00:15:46,734 --> 00:15:51,374 Speaker 1: Australian Jewish community following the events overseas. Now the Prime 316 00:15:51,374 --> 00:15:53,654 Speaker 1: Minister talked a big game about all of this, and 317 00:15:53,894 --> 00:15:56,414 Speaker 1: he wasn't involved in the peace summit for one of 318 00:15:56,414 --> 00:15:58,694 Speaker 1: a better word, that happened a few days ago. I'm 319 00:15:58,694 --> 00:16:01,974 Speaker 1: not saying that to make a hart asan political point. 320 00:16:02,134 --> 00:16:04,614 Speaker 1: It's a fact. I guess what I am saying is 321 00:16:04,654 --> 00:16:06,134 Speaker 1: that there was never going to be a peace and 322 00:16:06,534 --> 00:16:09,334 Speaker 1: it was broken by the US, and that was the 323 00:16:09,934 --> 00:16:12,214 Speaker 1: reason for me making the statements that I did on 324 00:16:12,254 --> 00:16:14,414 Speaker 1: behalf of the opposition at a time that I did 325 00:16:14,734 --> 00:16:17,734 Speaker 1: because we needed the US to broker this piece they have. 326 00:16:18,454 --> 00:16:23,894 Speaker 1: It is happening and everyone I know is desperately hoping 327 00:16:23,974 --> 00:16:26,854 Speaker 1: that it stays together. And with the involvement of so 328 00:16:26,934 --> 00:16:31,214 Speaker 1: many other countries, there's a real chance. And we're seeing 329 00:16:31,254 --> 00:16:34,974 Speaker 1: the hostages released, Sadly, some are no longer a life. 330 00:16:35,054 --> 00:16:40,374 Speaker 1: We're seeing humanitarian aid flow into Gaza. We're seeing the 331 00:16:40,414 --> 00:16:43,934 Speaker 1: war end. The next step is to build the enduring peace. 332 00:16:44,534 --> 00:16:48,334 Speaker 1: But here in Australia, I want to see that fraying 333 00:16:48,374 --> 00:16:51,974 Speaker 1: of social cohesion that we've all experienced over the last 334 00:16:52,014 --> 00:16:56,014 Speaker 1: two years. I want to see efforts to bring communities together, 335 00:16:56,694 --> 00:17:02,534 Speaker 1: to heal the divisions and to unite behind what will 336 00:17:02,574 --> 00:17:06,014 Speaker 1: always give us as people in Australia our greatest strength, 337 00:17:06,014 --> 00:17:08,334 Speaker 1: that we belong to this amazing country. 338 00:17:08,534 --> 00:17:10,654 Speaker 3: So do you feel then that Australia has more to 339 00:17:10,734 --> 00:17:13,174 Speaker 3: do on that global stage to help make sure that 340 00:17:13,174 --> 00:17:15,054 Speaker 3: that piece is broken and sustained. 341 00:17:15,334 --> 00:17:18,054 Speaker 1: Frankly, I don't think Australia does have a big role there. 342 00:17:18,254 --> 00:17:20,174 Speaker 1: I note as I said that we weren't at that 343 00:17:20,574 --> 00:17:23,934 Speaker 1: peace summit, and I think Australia has worked to do 344 00:17:23,974 --> 00:17:26,414 Speaker 1: at home. I think the Prime Minister needs to lead 345 00:17:26,854 --> 00:17:31,294 Speaker 1: work at home. I think the Prime Minister has unfinished business. 346 00:17:31,974 --> 00:17:35,734 Speaker 1: The country has experienced a praying of social cohesion. I'm 347 00:17:35,774 --> 00:17:38,974 Speaker 1: not going to overstate that because I see examples where 348 00:17:38,974 --> 00:17:42,014 Speaker 1: people come together all around me. But this is not 349 00:17:42,294 --> 00:17:44,694 Speaker 1: the Australia I came to, and it's not the bipartisan 350 00:17:45,454 --> 00:17:49,574 Speaker 1: approach that we've always had to policy about this issue 351 00:17:49,574 --> 00:17:52,014 Speaker 1: in the past. So I look forward to that and 352 00:17:52,134 --> 00:17:53,814 Speaker 1: I want to play my part as leader of the 353 00:17:53,854 --> 00:17:54,774 Speaker 1: Opposition well. 354 00:17:54,694 --> 00:17:55,614 Speaker 4: Let's bring it back home. 355 00:17:55,694 --> 00:17:55,814 Speaker 1: Then. 356 00:17:55,814 --> 00:17:57,534 Speaker 3: I'm glad you bring that up, because, of course this 357 00:17:57,654 --> 00:18:01,774 Speaker 3: year you have made history. Following the Liberals federal election loss, 358 00:18:01,974 --> 00:18:04,694 Speaker 3: You've been named as the first ever female leader of 359 00:18:04,734 --> 00:18:08,374 Speaker 3: the Liberal Party. An incredible, incredible achievement, But it also 360 00:18:08,414 --> 00:18:11,614 Speaker 3: seems like a contrasting moment, right because it's a huge 361 00:18:11,614 --> 00:18:13,494 Speaker 3: step for women in politics. It's a huge step for 362 00:18:13,534 --> 00:18:16,774 Speaker 3: women in Liberal Party history and politics, but also a 363 00:18:16,814 --> 00:18:19,574 Speaker 3: difficult one. How did you feel at that moment? Was 364 00:18:19,614 --> 00:18:22,014 Speaker 3: it empowering or there was a lot of criticism and 365 00:18:22,294 --> 00:18:24,734 Speaker 3: commentary at the time of this glass Cliff that Susan 366 00:18:24,774 --> 00:18:25,694 Speaker 3: Lee was headed for. 367 00:18:26,054 --> 00:18:30,014 Speaker 1: What was your take? I felt, and still feel incredible 368 00:18:30,214 --> 00:18:33,854 Speaker 1: humility to have the role. It is not something you 369 00:18:33,854 --> 00:18:36,574 Speaker 1: should ever not be conscious of that you are leading 370 00:18:36,614 --> 00:18:39,614 Speaker 1: the Liberal Party and yes, I'm the first female and 371 00:18:40,054 --> 00:18:42,214 Speaker 1: it does send a signal. It's about much more than that. 372 00:18:42,734 --> 00:18:46,214 Speaker 1: It's about the work that we have to do. The 373 00:18:46,254 --> 00:18:48,854 Speaker 1: things that I said after becoming leader just as relevant 374 00:18:48,894 --> 00:18:53,334 Speaker 1: now we have to respect, reflect and represent modern Australia 375 00:18:53,894 --> 00:18:56,974 Speaker 1: and we have to communicate well with people in every 376 00:18:57,014 --> 00:18:59,974 Speaker 1: community across this country and we've started to do that. 377 00:19:00,054 --> 00:19:02,134 Speaker 1: I'm very, very proud of the team I lead that's 378 00:19:02,174 --> 00:19:06,094 Speaker 1: working hard doing exactly that. Look with respect to the 379 00:19:06,094 --> 00:19:10,974 Speaker 1: so called glass cliff, I've been you may gain underestimated 380 00:19:11,294 --> 00:19:13,574 Speaker 1: a lot of times in my life, and it doesn't 381 00:19:13,614 --> 00:19:17,134 Speaker 1: really worry me because I focus on what my mission is, 382 00:19:17,374 --> 00:19:21,174 Speaker 1: what I want to do, and it's not about personal ambition, 383 00:19:21,574 --> 00:19:24,614 Speaker 1: but it's about that ambition for the Australian people and 384 00:19:25,054 --> 00:19:29,494 Speaker 1: where we want to build a serious, credible, compelling agenda 385 00:19:29,774 --> 00:19:31,614 Speaker 1: to take forward to the next election. 386 00:19:32,214 --> 00:19:34,174 Speaker 3: You've just got your feet under the desk as the 387 00:19:34,174 --> 00:19:36,614 Speaker 3: Opposition leader, but there's already been a lot of noise 388 00:19:36,654 --> 00:19:39,294 Speaker 3: about a potential leadership spill, and I am sorry we 389 00:19:39,334 --> 00:19:41,414 Speaker 3: have to take away from this conversation of two women 390 00:19:41,454 --> 00:19:42,174 Speaker 3: to talk about a. 391 00:19:42,054 --> 00:19:43,694 Speaker 4: Man, but we do need to do it for a moment. 392 00:19:44,254 --> 00:19:46,934 Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty's name keeps popping up after he quit the 393 00:19:46,934 --> 00:19:50,654 Speaker 3: shadow front bench. From where you're sitting, Is there a 394 00:19:50,734 --> 00:19:53,094 Speaker 3: leadership spill on the rise for your party? 395 00:19:53,574 --> 00:19:57,494 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. And sometimes I read the commentary and it 396 00:19:57,574 --> 00:20:00,894 Speaker 1: is commentary, and it's not from people who are in 397 00:20:00,974 --> 00:20:04,574 Speaker 1: the room who understand the cultures of the relationships between individuals, 398 00:20:05,054 --> 00:20:07,254 Speaker 1: or who have heard conversations. So there's a lot of 399 00:20:07,534 --> 00:20:10,654 Speaker 1: secondhand reporting and that's the job commentators and reporters, and 400 00:20:10,694 --> 00:20:13,374 Speaker 1: I understand that. So I want to make it clear 401 00:20:13,534 --> 00:20:17,174 Speaker 1: I value respect and get on well with all of 402 00:20:17,214 --> 00:20:21,614 Speaker 1: my colleagues in the Liberal Party party room, and the 403 00:20:21,654 --> 00:20:25,894 Speaker 1: building of those strong relationships is important. But I also 404 00:20:25,974 --> 00:20:30,894 Speaker 1: recognize that we will have differences of opinion on issues 405 00:20:30,894 --> 00:20:35,294 Speaker 1: of policy from time to time, and we do inside 406 00:20:35,374 --> 00:20:38,894 Speaker 1: our party room reflect a range of different policies. 407 00:20:38,934 --> 00:20:41,414 Speaker 3: So Andrew Hasty has echoed what you've just said there 408 00:20:41,454 --> 00:20:44,214 Speaker 3: that there's no leadership challenge on the horizon, but he 409 00:20:44,254 --> 00:20:47,134 Speaker 3: also recently emailed his constituents saying the time will come 410 00:20:47,174 --> 00:20:50,174 Speaker 3: when you will hear from me. That's a very foreboding 411 00:20:50,654 --> 00:20:52,894 Speaker 3: thing to say. Do you trust him? Do you really 412 00:20:52,894 --> 00:20:55,334 Speaker 3: think there will be no in the future Andrew Hasty? 413 00:20:55,934 --> 00:20:57,854 Speaker 1: I guess what that says to me is when somebody 414 00:20:57,894 --> 00:21:01,054 Speaker 1: moves to the backbench and they're entitled to, they have 415 00:21:01,094 --> 00:21:03,574 Speaker 1: the freedom to speak up and talk about whatever they want. 416 00:21:04,094 --> 00:21:07,374 Speaker 1: And again that's something we really encourage in the Liberal Party. 417 00:21:07,494 --> 00:21:09,534 Speaker 1: So I've moved from the front to the back bench. 418 00:21:09,814 --> 00:21:11,454 Speaker 1: While I was on the back bench, I spoke about 419 00:21:11,494 --> 00:21:15,054 Speaker 1: a range of things and enjoyed if you like that freedom. 420 00:21:15,134 --> 00:21:17,734 Speaker 1: So the fact that Andrew's referring to that is not unusual. 421 00:21:17,974 --> 00:21:19,934 Speaker 3: You mentioned there that you are still on really good 422 00:21:20,054 --> 00:21:22,774 Speaker 3: terms with every one of the members in the Liberal Party. 423 00:21:22,934 --> 00:21:26,214 Speaker 3: So how do these situations go down? Then when a 424 00:21:26,374 --> 00:21:30,414 Speaker 3: fellow minister resigns. You've had a couple of reshuffles already 425 00:21:30,454 --> 00:21:33,734 Speaker 3: this year. We've had Hastis departure just into NAMA, jimber 426 00:21:33,774 --> 00:21:37,094 Speaker 3: Price's departure as well to the backbench two in a month. 427 00:21:37,694 --> 00:21:40,414 Speaker 3: What's the political etiquette there? Do they send you a 428 00:21:40,494 --> 00:21:43,094 Speaker 3: nice email? Is it a face to face conversation? How 429 00:21:43,094 --> 00:21:43,734 Speaker 3: does it go down? 430 00:21:43,854 --> 00:21:46,414 Speaker 1: Look, it's a bit of everything. But underpinning both those 431 00:21:46,814 --> 00:21:51,174 Speaker 1: was the issue of cabinet solidarity. So because we're such 432 00:21:51,174 --> 00:21:55,214 Speaker 1: a party that freely expresses our views, unlike the Labor Party, 433 00:21:55,334 --> 00:21:57,574 Speaker 1: I'm not making a political point, I'm making a factual 434 00:21:57,614 --> 00:21:59,894 Speaker 1: point here. In the Labor Party, you don't have different views. 435 00:22:00,374 --> 00:22:03,294 Speaker 1: You can't cross the floor if you disagree with the 436 00:22:03,294 --> 00:22:06,414 Speaker 1: position of your party. If you cross the floor, and 437 00:22:06,454 --> 00:22:08,734 Speaker 1: what that means for your listeners is if you actually 438 00:22:08,814 --> 00:22:10,814 Speaker 1: vote with the other side when a vote hits the 439 00:22:10,814 --> 00:22:12,854 Speaker 1: floor of Parliament because you don't like what your own 440 00:22:12,934 --> 00:22:14,974 Speaker 1: side is saying. If you do that in the Labor Party, 441 00:22:15,174 --> 00:22:16,974 Speaker 1: you never come back to the team. You're finished. 442 00:22:17,054 --> 00:22:18,614 Speaker 3: So if you called just enter price, she's going to 443 00:22:18,614 --> 00:22:19,254 Speaker 3: pick the phone up. 444 00:22:19,454 --> 00:22:21,254 Speaker 1: Absolutely fabulous. Absolutely. 445 00:22:21,374 --> 00:22:23,734 Speaker 3: There was a lot of commentary that the Liberals lost 446 00:22:23,734 --> 00:22:27,254 Speaker 3: the election because the Liberals lost women. We've heard about this, 447 00:22:27,454 --> 00:22:30,534 Speaker 3: the Liberals have a women problem rhetoric, You've said the 448 00:22:30,534 --> 00:22:32,734 Speaker 3: party needs to reconnect with women. So there is an 449 00:22:32,734 --> 00:22:35,574 Speaker 3: acknowledgment of that there. What does that actually look like though, 450 00:22:35,614 --> 00:22:37,774 Speaker 3: in practical, real world terms for you? 451 00:22:38,014 --> 00:22:40,174 Speaker 1: I think we did lose women. I know that from 452 00:22:40,174 --> 00:22:42,654 Speaker 1: my own experience during a campaign when I stood on 453 00:22:42,694 --> 00:22:45,014 Speaker 1: boothe you know, with how to vote cards and had 454 00:22:45,054 --> 00:22:49,014 Speaker 1: conversations with women who did not intend to vote for us, 455 00:22:49,254 --> 00:22:52,934 Speaker 1: and in many cases we're not even considering what we presented, 456 00:22:53,014 --> 00:22:56,094 Speaker 1: so they didn't hear us at all, and that was 457 00:22:56,174 --> 00:22:58,934 Speaker 1: very sobering. But it was also very important that I 458 00:22:58,974 --> 00:23:02,174 Speaker 1: hear that, and we have over election after election we 459 00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:03,974 Speaker 1: have lost the vote of women. What that looks like 460 00:23:04,054 --> 00:23:07,014 Speaker 1: now is something that's really important to me because of 461 00:23:07,054 --> 00:23:11,334 Speaker 1: my life experience and how how I see the modern 462 00:23:11,334 --> 00:23:15,414 Speaker 1: women around me, and how I see child care and 463 00:23:15,454 --> 00:23:18,334 Speaker 1: looking after elderly parents and managing if you've got someone 464 00:23:18,334 --> 00:23:20,694 Speaker 1: in your family on the ndis, and how you make 465 00:23:20,734 --> 00:23:22,934 Speaker 1: it all fit together when you need to incomes to 466 00:23:22,974 --> 00:23:26,094 Speaker 1: pay the mortgage. I meanwhile, you're struggling with a commute 467 00:23:26,174 --> 00:23:29,454 Speaker 1: and you're just barely keeping your head above water with 468 00:23:29,574 --> 00:23:31,254 Speaker 1: everything that you have to do. Now, that's the life 469 00:23:31,254 --> 00:23:34,734 Speaker 1: of many modern women, and it's hard, and I know 470 00:23:34,814 --> 00:23:38,014 Speaker 1: it's hard. I've lived that life. And while the challenges 471 00:23:38,014 --> 00:23:41,054 Speaker 1: today might not be exactly the same, they sort of 472 00:23:41,454 --> 00:23:45,214 Speaker 1: have the same sense and feeling. So I do want 473 00:23:45,294 --> 00:23:48,094 Speaker 1: us as a party to come forward with I talked 474 00:23:48,174 --> 00:23:52,854 Speaker 1: before about a serious, compelling policy agenda that backs aspiration. 475 00:23:53,534 --> 00:23:56,094 Speaker 3: You were actually the Shadow Minister for Women from around 476 00:23:56,214 --> 00:24:00,774 Speaker 3: June twenty twenty two to May this year. During that time, then, 477 00:24:01,094 --> 00:24:02,574 Speaker 3: do you feel like there was maybe a need for 478 00:24:02,614 --> 00:24:05,414 Speaker 3: some stronger policies for women in the Liberal Party to 479 00:24:05,454 --> 00:24:08,014 Speaker 3: take to that last federal election. Was it a matter 480 00:24:08,054 --> 00:24:10,294 Speaker 3: of that they were being drowned out by others issues 481 00:24:10,454 --> 00:24:12,974 Speaker 3: or was it they weren't being supported fully maybe by 482 00:24:12,974 --> 00:24:15,254 Speaker 3: Peter Dutton at the time. Where do you think maybe 483 00:24:15,254 --> 00:24:17,894 Speaker 3: that could have been talked up more women's. 484 00:24:17,574 --> 00:24:21,734 Speaker 1: Policy is always economic policy. Now, while people didn't vote 485 00:24:21,734 --> 00:24:25,054 Speaker 1: for the economic policy that we put forward, our focus 486 00:24:25,134 --> 00:24:28,654 Speaker 1: as Liberals is always about strong economic management, lower taxes. 487 00:24:29,054 --> 00:24:32,374 Speaker 1: Every time we talk about economic management, it backs in 488 00:24:32,454 --> 00:24:35,734 Speaker 1: women who are struggling because they're finding the cost of 489 00:24:35,774 --> 00:24:39,694 Speaker 1: living crisis is overwhelming the household. Separately, in the last parliament, 490 00:24:39,734 --> 00:24:42,254 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time talking about domestic violence, 491 00:24:42,294 --> 00:24:45,174 Speaker 1: and indeed there were days when I read out the 492 00:24:45,254 --> 00:24:47,974 Speaker 1: names of every woman who'd lost their life to intimate 493 00:24:47,974 --> 00:24:52,454 Speaker 1: partner violence, and I was horrified that as we prepared 494 00:24:52,614 --> 00:24:56,454 Speaker 1: one of our speeches to Parliament on a significant day, 495 00:24:56,574 --> 00:24:59,134 Speaker 1: we had to update it two or three times because 496 00:24:59,294 --> 00:25:02,854 Speaker 1: more women were taken. I'm the leader now, as I 497 00:25:02,894 --> 00:25:05,254 Speaker 1: sit at the table with my colleagues, I'm there at 498 00:25:05,254 --> 00:25:08,094 Speaker 1: every policy discussion where there's a big call to be made, 499 00:25:08,374 --> 00:25:11,174 Speaker 1: and I'll always see through the lens of women. 500 00:25:11,494 --> 00:25:13,454 Speaker 3: What about that of young people, because it seems that 501 00:25:13,534 --> 00:25:15,294 Speaker 3: might also be a bit of a blind spot for 502 00:25:15,374 --> 00:25:18,934 Speaker 3: the Liberal Party. Roughly eighteen percent of the gen Z 503 00:25:19,094 --> 00:25:21,534 Speaker 3: vote at the last election. What do you think it 504 00:25:21,574 --> 00:25:23,814 Speaker 3: is that it's not cutting through with younger Australians. 505 00:25:24,054 --> 00:25:28,454 Speaker 1: While every generation is different, every generation really does believe 506 00:25:28,494 --> 00:25:31,214 Speaker 1: in a home of their own. And I've said many 507 00:25:31,294 --> 00:25:33,854 Speaker 1: times to young people, we need to keep that faith 508 00:25:33,894 --> 00:25:37,934 Speaker 1: with you because if we can't demonstrate how there is 509 00:25:37,974 --> 00:25:40,054 Speaker 1: a pathway for you to have a home of your own, 510 00:25:40,134 --> 00:25:43,134 Speaker 1: then I agree you shouldn't vote for us on that basis. 511 00:25:43,134 --> 00:25:45,814 Speaker 1: By the way, shouldn' vote for the Albanezy government because 512 00:25:46,054 --> 00:25:49,454 Speaker 1: they definitely have failed completely. They said they'd build one 513 00:25:49,454 --> 00:25:52,694 Speaker 1: point two million homes over five years. We've revealed this 514 00:25:52,814 --> 00:25:55,254 Speaker 1: through what we call center estimates, which is putting the 515 00:25:55,334 --> 00:25:58,534 Speaker 1: departmental officials on the sticky paper and it's ten or 516 00:25:58,574 --> 00:26:01,254 Speaker 1: twelve or something. You can argue what the number is, 517 00:26:01,294 --> 00:26:04,894 Speaker 1: but it's very low. Indeed, So if we've got huge failures. 518 00:26:04,494 --> 00:26:08,214 Speaker 3: Housing, then what's your suggestion to help with getting those 519 00:26:08,254 --> 00:26:09,494 Speaker 3: young Ossies into their own home? 520 00:26:09,774 --> 00:26:12,294 Speaker 1: Or will have policies that are all about getting Aussies 521 00:26:12,334 --> 00:26:15,014 Speaker 1: into their homes and a lot of that is something 522 00:26:15,054 --> 00:26:18,454 Speaker 1: that state governments have to do. So the state governments 523 00:26:18,534 --> 00:26:21,094 Speaker 1: are responsible for the planning. Obviously that happens at local 524 00:26:21,094 --> 00:26:25,094 Speaker 1: council level. There's always issues around planning. If you're a 525 00:26:25,134 --> 00:26:27,614 Speaker 1: federal government. And you're assisting a state government to do 526 00:26:27,694 --> 00:26:30,894 Speaker 1: something that is a national priority like housing, and then 527 00:26:30,934 --> 00:26:33,294 Speaker 1: you give them I think two billion dollars was the 528 00:26:33,334 --> 00:26:36,854 Speaker 1: total bucket in this program, But then you don't actually 529 00:26:36,934 --> 00:26:39,614 Speaker 1: require them to report to you about what they've done, 530 00:26:40,134 --> 00:26:43,294 Speaker 1: whether it will actually deliver houses that wouldn't have happened anyway. 531 00:26:43,414 --> 00:26:45,334 Speaker 1: Then you're just giving the states free money and that's 532 00:26:45,374 --> 00:26:47,334 Speaker 1: not good enough. So we're doing a lot of work 533 00:26:47,374 --> 00:26:50,294 Speaker 1: around that to make sure we do have a good 534 00:26:50,334 --> 00:26:52,134 Speaker 1: housing policy for young Australians. 535 00:26:52,454 --> 00:26:54,774 Speaker 3: We've mentioned a few of the niggling things here for 536 00:26:54,814 --> 00:26:57,014 Speaker 3: the Liberal Party. It is clear that there are problems 537 00:26:57,374 --> 00:26:59,414 Speaker 3: in your own backyard at the moment when you dig 538 00:26:59,454 --> 00:27:01,934 Speaker 3: deep at night, though, do you get really honest with yourself. 539 00:27:01,934 --> 00:27:03,494 Speaker 3: Do you lay there and go, okay, this is our 540 00:27:03,574 --> 00:27:06,174 Speaker 3: number one priority. It might be we need to get 541 00:27:06,174 --> 00:27:08,494 Speaker 3: more Australian women on side. And then do you sit 542 00:27:08,494 --> 00:27:10,294 Speaker 3: there and have that real on this moment with yourself 543 00:27:10,334 --> 00:27:11,734 Speaker 3: of how are we actually going to do that. 544 00:27:12,414 --> 00:27:15,534 Speaker 1: I'm conscious that when you're the leader, you make the calls. 545 00:27:15,614 --> 00:27:20,454 Speaker 1: In many cases, you listen, you understand, you test, but 546 00:27:20,534 --> 00:27:22,774 Speaker 1: you make the big calls too. I'm up for that. 547 00:27:22,934 --> 00:27:25,414 Speaker 1: I've always said that I'm up for that. What flying 548 00:27:25,534 --> 00:27:28,814 Speaker 1: gave me was discipline. You know, flying is an absolute truth. 549 00:27:28,894 --> 00:27:32,534 Speaker 1: When you're flying, there's nothing else because the line that 550 00:27:32,574 --> 00:27:35,414 Speaker 1: you might cross is the line between being here and 551 00:27:35,454 --> 00:27:37,814 Speaker 1: not being here, and the focus and the discipline. And 552 00:27:37,814 --> 00:27:41,134 Speaker 1: everyone who flies will tell you this that what they 553 00:27:41,214 --> 00:27:47,174 Speaker 1: get out of it is is focus, discipline, responsibility, determination, 554 00:27:47,574 --> 00:27:50,614 Speaker 1: And that's allowed me to bring I think those qualities 555 00:27:50,614 --> 00:27:54,494 Speaker 1: to the leadership. And I've never actually wanted it to 556 00:27:54,494 --> 00:27:58,694 Speaker 1: be about me. I take great pride in seeing someone 557 00:27:58,814 --> 00:28:00,694 Speaker 1: else come up with a great idea and do well, 558 00:28:01,174 --> 00:28:03,654 Speaker 1: and I take particular pride when that someone is a 559 00:28:03,694 --> 00:28:06,534 Speaker 1: young woman. So in all the people I meet every day, 560 00:28:06,814 --> 00:28:09,094 Speaker 1: you know, if I come across someone and I just think, wow, 561 00:28:09,614 --> 00:28:11,854 Speaker 1: young woman. But I wondered too whether they felt like 562 00:28:11,934 --> 00:28:14,494 Speaker 1: I did, which was that I'm in a room full 563 00:28:14,494 --> 00:28:18,214 Speaker 1: of people who are smarter than me, who are men perhaps, 564 00:28:18,694 --> 00:28:21,974 Speaker 1: and maybe I won't say anything. I spend time to say, 565 00:28:22,334 --> 00:28:24,774 Speaker 1: make sure you say something. And if you have a 566 00:28:24,894 --> 00:28:28,134 Speaker 1: chance in any meeting, I say to young woman, say something. 567 00:28:28,934 --> 00:28:31,814 Speaker 1: As you get older, you want to see the next generation. 568 00:28:32,214 --> 00:28:35,374 Speaker 1: And I'm optimistic about the next generation of Liberal women. 569 00:28:35,454 --> 00:28:37,094 Speaker 3: It's really nice to hear you say that that you, 570 00:28:38,014 --> 00:28:40,694 Speaker 3: like a lot of women listening have at one point 571 00:28:40,734 --> 00:28:44,214 Speaker 3: or another, dealt with imposter syndrome. Of course, now though 572 00:28:44,414 --> 00:28:46,374 Speaker 3: the buck does stop with you, you are the leader 573 00:28:46,454 --> 00:28:49,854 Speaker 3: of the opposition the Liberal Party. Politics can be absolutely brutal, 574 00:28:49,934 --> 00:28:53,414 Speaker 3: especially for women, whether their early stage career or if 575 00:28:53,454 --> 00:28:56,054 Speaker 3: they've risen through the ranks like you have. Was there 576 00:28:56,054 --> 00:28:58,894 Speaker 3: a moment when you thought I am done with this, 577 00:28:59,174 --> 00:29:02,174 Speaker 3: I can't come in tomorrow, that's it, and how do 578 00:29:02,214 --> 00:29:02,894 Speaker 3: you push through it? 579 00:29:03,014 --> 00:29:05,094 Speaker 1: Look, I've had some tough times in my political life. 580 00:29:05,134 --> 00:29:07,334 Speaker 1: I think I'm helped by the fact that I've been 581 00:29:07,374 --> 00:29:09,814 Speaker 1: here for twenty five years and that is a long 582 00:29:09,854 --> 00:29:13,814 Speaker 1: time and it's taught me a great deal. So politics 583 00:29:13,854 --> 00:29:16,574 Speaker 1: is not something that you can learn from a book 584 00:29:16,694 --> 00:29:20,214 Speaker 1: or from a university degree. It's something that you learn 585 00:29:20,894 --> 00:29:24,974 Speaker 1: by ours in the saddle, so to speak, and that 586 00:29:25,174 --> 00:29:31,094 Speaker 1: conditions you to accepting what the realities are. And I 587 00:29:31,134 --> 00:29:34,294 Speaker 1: do accept that, but I also know that the moment 588 00:29:34,494 --> 00:29:36,654 Speaker 1: I start thinking, oh this is really hard for me, 589 00:29:37,454 --> 00:29:39,694 Speaker 1: forget it, because you know what, it's really hard for 590 00:29:39,694 --> 00:29:40,574 Speaker 1: a lot of Australians. 591 00:29:41,054 --> 00:29:45,814 Speaker 3: So then I have one more politics related question Pauline has, 592 00:29:45,854 --> 00:29:50,694 Speaker 3: Please explain Julia has the misogyny speech. What do you 593 00:29:50,734 --> 00:29:53,374 Speaker 3: want your moment to be? And if you don't have 594 00:29:53,414 --> 00:29:55,134 Speaker 3: an answer, I've come prepared with one. 595 00:29:55,214 --> 00:29:57,974 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's something you probably look back on 596 00:29:58,094 --> 00:29:59,054 Speaker 1: rather than look ahead at. 597 00:29:58,974 --> 00:30:01,014 Speaker 4: Okay, So do you want to create one right now? 598 00:30:01,094 --> 00:30:02,974 Speaker 1: I want you to create one, because clearly already have 599 00:30:03,174 --> 00:30:06,694 Speaker 1: ta Hey, good, I'm so glad you asked. Perhaps you 600 00:30:06,734 --> 00:30:12,494 Speaker 1: could tell the nation how to correctly answer yourself. It's 601 00:30:12,574 --> 00:30:15,854 Speaker 1: Lee as in key Okay. 602 00:30:15,614 --> 00:30:18,014 Speaker 3: And now this may be the hardest question you have 603 00:30:18,054 --> 00:30:18,774 Speaker 3: to answer today. 604 00:30:19,534 --> 00:30:21,414 Speaker 4: There are rumors, there's. 605 00:30:21,254 --> 00:30:25,254 Speaker 3: Speculation and stories and theories floating around about your first name, 606 00:30:25,414 --> 00:30:28,774 Speaker 3: Susan with a double S. How did the double s 607 00:30:28,854 --> 00:30:30,534 Speaker 3: come to be? Did you change it? 608 00:30:30,614 --> 00:30:31,054 Speaker 4: And why? 609 00:30:31,854 --> 00:30:34,174 Speaker 1: I talked before he came on air about my rebellious 610 00:30:34,174 --> 00:30:38,294 Speaker 1: punk phase, which was serious. Can I tell you in 611 00:30:38,334 --> 00:30:39,094 Speaker 1: my later teens? 612 00:30:39,214 --> 00:30:40,854 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's photographic evidence. 613 00:30:41,734 --> 00:30:44,374 Speaker 1: Well, possibly not, and that might be a good thing. Anyway, 614 00:30:44,654 --> 00:30:47,654 Speaker 1: During that phase where I certainly rebelled against my parents 615 00:30:47,854 --> 00:30:50,454 Speaker 1: and went to a school where you could wear whatever 616 00:30:50,454 --> 00:30:52,774 Speaker 1: you wanted, walk in bare feet, have purple hair, and 617 00:30:52,894 --> 00:30:56,294 Speaker 1: you know, spiky things in your face and ears, and 618 00:30:56,414 --> 00:30:59,854 Speaker 1: it was pure punk. I added the extra S and 619 00:30:59,934 --> 00:31:01,974 Speaker 1: it was simple as that, and it really annoyed my 620 00:31:02,014 --> 00:31:04,494 Speaker 1: mother and might have been something to do with why 621 00:31:04,494 --> 00:31:06,894 Speaker 1: I added the extra S. And then I was asked 622 00:31:06,934 --> 00:31:08,574 Speaker 1: about it years later, and I thought, well, that's a 623 00:31:08,574 --> 00:31:11,254 Speaker 1: silly question. I just gave a very flippid answer that 624 00:31:11,294 --> 00:31:14,454 Speaker 1: it was because of numerology. So it wasn't as exciting 625 00:31:14,454 --> 00:31:17,214 Speaker 1: as that. It was just that I thought, what the hell, 626 00:31:17,254 --> 00:31:18,854 Speaker 1: And once you've added it and put it on a 627 00:31:18,854 --> 00:31:23,254 Speaker 1: few things, it stayed. But then I found out once 628 00:31:23,334 --> 00:31:25,814 Speaker 1: I became leader that a lot of people quite like numerology, 629 00:31:25,854 --> 00:31:28,734 Speaker 1: and they wrote to me saying, you should think about 630 00:31:28,734 --> 00:31:31,214 Speaker 1: that extra S with Anyway, I don't need to go to. 631 00:31:31,174 --> 00:31:33,774 Speaker 3: Offend the numerology crowd, because once you're in with them, 632 00:31:33,814 --> 00:31:34,774 Speaker 3: you set my life. 633 00:31:35,054 --> 00:31:35,654 Speaker 1: Do you clearly? 634 00:31:35,974 --> 00:31:39,214 Speaker 3: Well, I mean you changed this before smartphones and autocorrect 635 00:31:39,294 --> 00:31:41,414 Speaker 3: was invented. Do you have to teach a phone that 636 00:31:41,454 --> 00:31:42,414 Speaker 3: it's double as Susan? 637 00:31:42,934 --> 00:31:46,254 Speaker 1: Oh? No, everyone every the phones all know it's doubless. Yeah. Yeah, 638 00:31:47,814 --> 00:31:50,174 Speaker 1: it's been there since I was pretty much seventeen. 639 00:31:50,374 --> 00:31:50,694 Speaker 4: Susan. 640 00:31:50,774 --> 00:31:54,054 Speaker 3: Next year will be your twenty fifth year in Australian 641 00:31:54,094 --> 00:31:56,734 Speaker 3: federal politics. Do they do something special for that? Do 642 00:31:56,774 --> 00:31:59,294 Speaker 3: you get like a certificate or morning tea? 643 00:31:59,934 --> 00:32:01,774 Speaker 1: I literally do not want anything special. 644 00:32:02,094 --> 00:32:04,134 Speaker 3: Okay, so you're not going to commemorate the occasion, and 645 00:32:04,174 --> 00:32:05,694 Speaker 3: how are you going to celebrate it? Because twenty five 646 00:32:05,774 --> 00:32:08,534 Speaker 3: years is an incredible achievement to stay in parliament for 647 00:32:08,574 --> 00:32:09,014 Speaker 3: that long. 648 00:32:09,574 --> 00:32:13,894 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just not one for celebrations, commemorations or marketing occasions. 649 00:32:14,654 --> 00:32:17,854 Speaker 1: I guess you kind of have that attitude from growing up. 650 00:32:17,934 --> 00:32:20,814 Speaker 1: And my mum and dad were very no nonsense people 651 00:32:21,094 --> 00:32:24,414 Speaker 1: and yeah, no fuss people, if I can put it 652 00:32:24,454 --> 00:32:27,294 Speaker 1: like that. However, I make a big fuss and I 653 00:32:27,334 --> 00:32:30,934 Speaker 1: absolutely love making a big fuss of my six grandchildren 654 00:32:31,134 --> 00:32:33,774 Speaker 1: and to them, I'm GLAMs and they need to keep 655 00:32:33,774 --> 00:32:36,574 Speaker 1: it that way. And so the. 656 00:32:36,614 --> 00:32:39,774 Speaker 4: Fus in a double less on the end, No good question. 657 00:32:39,894 --> 00:32:42,654 Speaker 1: Actually, so all the fuss in my world is about 658 00:32:42,654 --> 00:32:45,814 Speaker 1: them and obviously my three children. But yeah, any GLAMs 659 00:32:45,854 --> 00:32:47,814 Speaker 1: is listening will know exactly what I'm talking about. 660 00:32:47,894 --> 00:32:50,734 Speaker 4: I need to know where GLAMs come. I've never heard 661 00:32:50,734 --> 00:32:51,334 Speaker 4: that one before. 662 00:32:51,414 --> 00:32:53,814 Speaker 1: Yeah, my daughter in law coined the term, and I 663 00:32:53,814 --> 00:32:57,414 Speaker 1: think it comes from glam Ma, but it got shortened 664 00:32:57,454 --> 00:32:58,014 Speaker 1: to GLAMs. 665 00:32:58,374 --> 00:32:59,214 Speaker 4: That's very cute. 666 00:32:59,334 --> 00:32:59,694 Speaker 1: Thank you. 667 00:33:00,094 --> 00:33:01,414 Speaker 4: I also want to know from you. 668 00:33:01,414 --> 00:33:03,414 Speaker 3: We've talked a little bit and you've alluded to your 669 00:33:03,454 --> 00:33:04,774 Speaker 3: punk phase already. 670 00:33:05,334 --> 00:33:06,174 Speaker 4: What's on your. 671 00:33:06,014 --> 00:33:08,574 Speaker 3: Spotify playlist at the moment. If you could give people 672 00:33:08,614 --> 00:33:11,774 Speaker 3: one recommendation, what is it? 673 00:33:11,774 --> 00:33:14,814 Speaker 1: It's funny and I think everyone's like this, you go 674 00:33:14,894 --> 00:33:18,134 Speaker 1: through phases. There's a band called Wallace and Matilda that 675 00:33:18,254 --> 00:33:22,094 Speaker 1: put to music all of Banjo Patterson's songs, including the 676 00:33:22,094 --> 00:33:24,094 Speaker 1: Man from Stow of a Clancy of the Overflow and 677 00:33:24,134 --> 00:33:27,574 Speaker 1: the Man from iron Bach. And I just feel this 678 00:33:27,654 --> 00:33:29,254 Speaker 1: is a great insight into Australia. 679 00:33:33,174 --> 00:33:35,334 Speaker 3: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 680 00:33:35,414 --> 00:33:38,334 Speaker 3: us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano, 681 00:33:38,574 --> 00:33:42,494 Speaker 3: Lario Brophy and Clare Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.