1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 3: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:20,584 Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on. 5 00:00:25,384 --> 00:00:28,544 Speaker 4: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 6 00:00:28,584 --> 00:00:31,424 Speaker 4: culture fix. I'm Cassena Lukitch. 7 00:00:31,064 --> 00:00:32,264 Speaker 3: And I'm Laura Brednick. 8 00:00:32,504 --> 00:00:36,544 Speaker 2: So on the show today, Laura has been fiercely reading 9 00:00:36,984 --> 00:00:40,984 Speaker 2: the new Gwyneth biography by Amy O'Dell and we're going 10 00:00:41,064 --> 00:00:43,984 Speaker 2: to dive deep into that and get all of the 11 00:00:44,024 --> 00:00:47,344 Speaker 2: goths because Laura's been doing some hard work. 12 00:00:47,744 --> 00:00:51,464 Speaker 1: But first, well, I hope you're all happy because after 13 00:00:51,544 --> 00:00:55,224 Speaker 1: all your complaining and nagging and just like that has. 14 00:00:55,064 --> 00:00:56,264 Speaker 3: Been well not canceled. 15 00:00:56,264 --> 00:00:58,344 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say it's been canceled because 16 00:00:58,344 --> 00:01:01,664 Speaker 1: it is now ending after season three. Show runner Michael 17 00:01:01,664 --> 00:01:03,544 Speaker 1: Patrick King has confirmed, I. 18 00:01:03,504 --> 00:01:05,704 Speaker 2: Feel like we kind of saw it coming and there 19 00:01:05,744 --> 00:01:08,944 Speaker 2: were so many people who hate watching it. 20 00:01:09,344 --> 00:01:11,304 Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I post wasn't hate watching it. He 21 00:01:11,384 --> 00:01:14,104 Speaker 1: neither was on Yes, No, I know. Here's the thing. Like, obviously, 22 00:01:14,184 --> 00:01:16,824 Speaker 1: when it came out in its first season, the numbers 23 00:01:16,824 --> 00:01:19,304 Speaker 1: were super high. I think it was like for HBO Max, 24 00:01:19,304 --> 00:01:22,104 Speaker 1: like the biggest debut for their digital platform in the 25 00:01:22,184 --> 00:01:24,864 Speaker 1: numbers have continued to drop the season after season, but 26 00:01:24,864 --> 00:01:26,944 Speaker 1: they were still holding quite steady because I guess they 27 00:01:26,944 --> 00:01:29,624 Speaker 1: had that fan base of people watching and also the 28 00:01:29,624 --> 00:01:30,824 Speaker 1: people who will hate watching it. 29 00:01:31,144 --> 00:01:33,824 Speaker 2: I actually feel like it was hitting its stride a 30 00:01:33,904 --> 00:01:36,904 Speaker 2: little bit more in season three. I thought that too, 31 00:01:37,304 --> 00:01:40,504 Speaker 2: particularly with Charlotte, like christ and Davis got so much 32 00:01:40,624 --> 00:01:41,864 Speaker 2: flak and I've said this. 33 00:01:41,784 --> 00:01:45,064 Speaker 4: Before for being like not very good in season one, 34 00:01:45,144 --> 00:01:45,424 Speaker 4: but I. 35 00:01:45,344 --> 00:01:49,104 Speaker 2: Feel like she's like really gotten better, and I was 36 00:01:49,184 --> 00:01:52,584 Speaker 2: starting to really love the Lisa, and like I thought 37 00:01:52,584 --> 00:01:55,464 Speaker 2: it was starting to hit it stride. I feel like 38 00:01:55,784 --> 00:01:59,224 Speaker 2: maybe Michael Patrick King was like, let's just end it here. 39 00:01:59,784 --> 00:02:02,984 Speaker 4: We're done, Like it's let's not bet a dead horse. 40 00:02:03,384 --> 00:02:03,664 Speaker 3: Okay. 41 00:02:03,704 --> 00:02:06,184 Speaker 1: I have some questions around the whole cancelation thing because 42 00:02:06,224 --> 00:02:08,664 Speaker 1: I don't think it's as smooth and artistic as they're saying. 43 00:02:08,704 --> 00:02:11,504 Speaker 1: So Michael Patrick King said that as he was writing 44 00:02:11,624 --> 00:02:14,104 Speaker 1: the finale of season three, he just felt that it 45 00:02:14,224 --> 00:02:16,944 Speaker 1: came to a very natural, beautiful stopping point and he 46 00:02:17,024 --> 00:02:19,864 Speaker 1: was like, let's end it there. It's kind of interesting 47 00:02:19,944 --> 00:02:23,424 Speaker 1: because they kept that mostly a secret from the cast 48 00:02:23,464 --> 00:02:26,304 Speaker 1: and crew until this week, where they found out along 49 00:02:26,344 --> 00:02:29,384 Speaker 1: with everyone else, so they haven't formally said that the deadline. 50 00:02:29,504 --> 00:02:32,544 Speaker 1: The Industry publication has talked to a lot of people 51 00:02:32,584 --> 00:02:35,864 Speaker 1: behind the scenes and said that cast were very blindsided, 52 00:02:35,864 --> 00:02:38,664 Speaker 1: which I got from Kristin Davis, who plays Charlotte, from 53 00:02:38,744 --> 00:02:41,704 Speaker 1: her post saying that she was really heartbroken that the 54 00:02:41,744 --> 00:02:43,744 Speaker 1: show was coming to an end and she would miss everyone. 55 00:02:43,824 --> 00:02:45,344 Speaker 1: It felt like she just heard the news. 56 00:02:45,624 --> 00:02:49,024 Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me that much because I think sometimes 57 00:02:49,064 --> 00:02:53,104 Speaker 2: with these sorts of productions there are snap decisions, and 58 00:02:53,144 --> 00:02:56,424 Speaker 2: it could have potentially come from HBO Max, like they 59 00:02:56,624 --> 00:03:00,104 Speaker 2: either like you know, cut the budgets because the budgets 60 00:03:00,144 --> 00:03:03,064 Speaker 2: for the clothes are huge part. 61 00:03:03,344 --> 00:03:05,464 Speaker 1: It's an expensive show to make. Also just all the 62 00:03:05,584 --> 00:03:09,264 Speaker 1: outdoor scenes, the extras. That's why recently I feel people 63 00:03:09,304 --> 00:03:11,304 Speaker 1: have been saying why it looks like they have no 64 00:03:11,384 --> 00:03:13,624 Speaker 1: friends because all the scenes of them in groups are 65 00:03:13,664 --> 00:03:15,624 Speaker 1: like really tiny. There's no one else in the cafes 66 00:03:15,624 --> 00:03:17,504 Speaker 1: and no one else in their houses. They're trying to 67 00:03:17,504 --> 00:03:19,264 Speaker 1: cut the extra budget down. 68 00:03:19,384 --> 00:03:21,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very expensive to shoot in New York, Like, 69 00:03:21,864 --> 00:03:23,864 Speaker 2: it is very very expensive. 70 00:03:24,264 --> 00:03:27,704 Speaker 4: The statement from SJP. She wrote like a. 71 00:03:27,624 --> 00:03:30,504 Speaker 1: Poem, Oh my god, that thing I love her on Instagram. 72 00:03:30,584 --> 00:03:32,984 Speaker 1: I just love everything about the whimsical way she writes. 73 00:03:33,024 --> 00:03:35,424 Speaker 1: I love her commitment to saying rabbit on the first 74 00:03:35,504 --> 00:03:37,384 Speaker 1: day of every month or she thinks her whole life 75 00:03:37,424 --> 00:03:40,504 Speaker 1: will fall apart. That statement from her needs to be 76 00:03:40,584 --> 00:03:41,744 Speaker 1: studied at. 77 00:03:41,584 --> 00:03:42,584 Speaker 3: Like a Harvard level. 78 00:03:42,704 --> 00:03:46,144 Speaker 1: The twist, the turns everything she's saying, it's very poetic. 79 00:03:46,304 --> 00:03:49,664 Speaker 2: My favorite part from it was about Carrie. She said, 80 00:03:49,864 --> 00:03:53,424 Speaker 2: I've been frustrated, condemned, and rooted for her, which I 81 00:03:53,464 --> 00:03:56,944 Speaker 2: thought was interesting because there will always so much criticism 82 00:03:56,984 --> 00:04:00,024 Speaker 2: around Carrie. But I don't think I've heard her criticized 83 00:04:00,064 --> 00:04:02,104 Speaker 2: Carrie before very much. 84 00:04:02,184 --> 00:04:03,384 Speaker 3: Oh like Sarah Jessica Parker. 85 00:04:03,984 --> 00:04:04,744 Speaker 1: Oh no, she has. 86 00:04:04,784 --> 00:04:06,304 Speaker 3: I mean, but I think this is like well over 87 00:04:06,384 --> 00:04:06,944 Speaker 3: thirty years. 88 00:04:06,984 --> 00:04:09,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like she has obviously not agreed with things that 89 00:04:09,544 --> 00:04:13,264 Speaker 1: she's done, but she's always been wildly protective of her 90 00:04:13,544 --> 00:04:15,664 Speaker 1: mostly but you know, she's called her out for things 91 00:04:15,664 --> 00:04:17,144 Speaker 1: like you wouldn't like, kind of like you call out 92 00:04:17,144 --> 00:04:19,624 Speaker 1: a girlfriend from being like that was a bad move. Again, 93 00:04:19,664 --> 00:04:21,464 Speaker 1: I have criticisms of the show, and there's bits that 94 00:04:21,504 --> 00:04:23,104 Speaker 1: I've loved. And we'll get more into this when we 95 00:04:23,144 --> 00:04:25,024 Speaker 1: do our brulliofs review at the end of the season. 96 00:04:25,584 --> 00:04:28,264 Speaker 1: But I just really hate the idea of living in 97 00:04:28,304 --> 00:04:30,864 Speaker 1: a world without Carrie Bradshaw because they won't come back 98 00:04:30,904 --> 00:04:31,224 Speaker 1: after this. 99 00:04:31,264 --> 00:04:33,664 Speaker 3: It's like, this is it, Yeah, this is it. 100 00:04:33,824 --> 00:04:37,624 Speaker 2: This is it. Because I rewatched Sex and City and 101 00:04:37,664 --> 00:04:39,864 Speaker 2: then I was like, okay, so we've got six seasons, 102 00:04:39,864 --> 00:04:42,024 Speaker 2: two movies and three seasons even just like. 103 00:04:41,984 --> 00:04:44,504 Speaker 3: That and not enough that I'm not even joking that's 104 00:04:44,544 --> 00:04:45,024 Speaker 3: not enough. 105 00:04:45,344 --> 00:04:47,064 Speaker 1: Only because I don't know about you, but I've watched 106 00:04:47,064 --> 00:04:49,624 Speaker 1: Sex and the City so many times over and over 107 00:04:49,624 --> 00:04:52,224 Speaker 1: and over again. I like burnt Intoto my brain too 108 00:04:52,304 --> 00:04:54,144 Speaker 1: much to the point where I need a little bit 109 00:04:54,144 --> 00:04:55,744 Speaker 1: of a break. So that's why I've been watching and 110 00:04:55,904 --> 00:04:57,864 Speaker 1: just like that over and over and over again. Sounds 111 00:04:57,864 --> 00:04:58,784 Speaker 1: like I have a lot of time in my hands, 112 00:04:58,824 --> 00:05:00,664 Speaker 1: but sometimes you get home super late at night and 113 00:05:00,704 --> 00:05:03,464 Speaker 1: you need a little hour decompress before you go to bed. 114 00:05:03,544 --> 00:05:06,024 Speaker 1: Like I can't consume new material of that time. I 115 00:05:06,064 --> 00:05:09,224 Speaker 1: need to comfort watch something, and the characters even when 116 00:05:09,304 --> 00:05:11,864 Speaker 1: just like that has been bad characters on my comfort watch. 117 00:05:12,264 --> 00:05:13,704 Speaker 1: So I don't love that they're going away. 118 00:05:13,864 --> 00:05:17,344 Speaker 2: I did miss Kim Katrell, and I do. What did 119 00:05:17,344 --> 00:05:22,024 Speaker 2: you think of her host's cryptic as hell that was pointed, 120 00:05:22,064 --> 00:05:23,944 Speaker 2: there's no one on earth I can keepet. 121 00:05:23,864 --> 00:05:25,304 Speaker 4: With me very much. 122 00:05:26,344 --> 00:05:29,864 Speaker 2: A big week like it just I don't know, but 123 00:05:29,944 --> 00:05:34,104 Speaker 2: I feel like if that relationship had been better and 124 00:05:34,304 --> 00:05:36,984 Speaker 2: Kim had come back, it would have been different. 125 00:05:37,464 --> 00:05:39,624 Speaker 3: It would have been different, But I don't I still think. 126 00:05:39,424 --> 00:05:41,704 Speaker 1: That the people would have had critiques on her character. 127 00:05:41,744 --> 00:05:43,944 Speaker 1: People would have had critiques on her the way that 128 00:05:43,984 --> 00:05:46,744 Speaker 1: her character has changed. I think the storylines in the world, 129 00:05:46,824 --> 00:05:50,424 Speaker 1: like this world they created exists outside of any kind 130 00:05:50,464 --> 00:05:52,984 Speaker 1: of comedy drama on TV. It's created its own kind 131 00:05:52,984 --> 00:05:55,024 Speaker 1: of fantasy world, and I think she would have been 132 00:05:55,064 --> 00:05:57,504 Speaker 1: written into that. People even had issues with her cameo. 133 00:05:57,584 --> 00:06:00,184 Speaker 1: Even though she made a callback to like an excellent 134 00:06:00,464 --> 00:06:04,304 Speaker 1: Samantha storyline from season six with her English persona and 135 00:06:04,304 --> 00:06:06,264 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, people still had issues with 136 00:06:06,344 --> 00:06:09,304 Speaker 1: her tiny second cameo and the fact that it sometimes 137 00:06:09,304 --> 00:06:11,144 Speaker 1: it didn't feel like Samantha or she was putting on 138 00:06:11,144 --> 00:06:12,744 Speaker 1: a voice and she was only on screen for like 139 00:06:12,784 --> 00:06:15,104 Speaker 1: three minutes. So I feel like they definitely would have 140 00:06:15,144 --> 00:06:16,944 Speaker 1: had an issue with her in this show as well. 141 00:06:17,024 --> 00:06:18,544 Speaker 3: But yeah, there's nothing anyone can do to. 142 00:06:18,464 --> 00:06:20,424 Speaker 1: Convince me that that post of her saying end of 143 00:06:20,424 --> 00:06:22,744 Speaker 1: a long Reek Sunrise, love Heart, all that sort of 144 00:06:22,784 --> 00:06:25,744 Speaker 1: stuff wasn't a dig at the show getting canceled. 145 00:06:25,984 --> 00:06:26,624 Speaker 3: Because she's so. 146 00:06:26,704 --> 00:06:29,784 Speaker 1: Online and every time anything happens within just like that 147 00:06:29,904 --> 00:06:33,224 Speaker 1: or Sarah Jessica Parker, she does something. She releases campaigns 148 00:06:33,224 --> 00:06:36,464 Speaker 1: at the same time she releases shows. She puts out statements, 149 00:06:36,544 --> 00:06:39,304 Speaker 1: never directly targeting them, but always in that world. 150 00:06:39,584 --> 00:06:41,664 Speaker 2: Laura, you know you said something at the beginning, but 151 00:06:41,824 --> 00:06:44,264 Speaker 2: I feel like, given your love of sex and the city, 152 00:06:45,064 --> 00:06:47,464 Speaker 2: you need to end it with your final thought. 153 00:06:47,584 --> 00:06:49,584 Speaker 1: Oh yes, let's bring this back full circle from the 154 00:06:49,624 --> 00:06:51,624 Speaker 1: top of this segment. I do hope you're all happy, 155 00:06:51,664 --> 00:06:53,944 Speaker 1: because I just do think that a lot of the 156 00:06:53,984 --> 00:06:57,784 Speaker 1: criticism and anger and ridicule might have contributed to this 157 00:06:57,904 --> 00:07:01,824 Speaker 1: decision because Michael Patrick King and Sarah Jessica Parker. Who 158 00:07:01,864 --> 00:07:04,264 Speaker 1: the other thing? Did Sarah Jessica Parker not tell the 159 00:07:04,304 --> 00:07:06,584 Speaker 1: other actresses that it was ending? She's been keeping that 160 00:07:06,664 --> 00:07:08,944 Speaker 1: in this long Is that going to be another feud? 161 00:07:09,184 --> 00:07:11,544 Speaker 1: I'm just going to say right now, I can't handle 162 00:07:11,584 --> 00:07:13,864 Speaker 1: that if these women aren't friends, so they made have 163 00:07:13,944 --> 00:07:14,744 Speaker 1: sought that shit out. 164 00:07:14,944 --> 00:07:16,704 Speaker 3: But yes, everyone who would have killed the show, you 165 00:07:16,744 --> 00:07:17,464 Speaker 3: got what you wanted. 166 00:07:17,584 --> 00:07:20,504 Speaker 1: I hope you're happy and you've just you've devastated me 167 00:07:20,824 --> 00:07:22,424 Speaker 1: and everyone else. La la la. 168 00:07:23,744 --> 00:07:29,104 Speaker 2: So Laura has been painstakingly reading Gwyneth's book by Amy O'Dell, 169 00:07:29,744 --> 00:07:33,144 Speaker 2: which came out last week. I have only had the 170 00:07:33,224 --> 00:07:36,824 Speaker 2: chance to just skim through a couple of the sections, 171 00:07:36,944 --> 00:07:39,264 Speaker 2: so you're going to kind of be leading this. But 172 00:07:39,784 --> 00:07:41,984 Speaker 2: something that I didn't see coming out in a lot 173 00:07:42,024 --> 00:07:47,384 Speaker 2: of the extracts before we got the book is her childhood. Like, 174 00:07:47,744 --> 00:07:49,664 Speaker 2: I mean, I knew she was a NAPO baby, but 175 00:07:49,704 --> 00:07:52,704 Speaker 2: I didn't think I knew how. 176 00:07:53,384 --> 00:07:55,544 Speaker 4: Much of a silver spoon she had. 177 00:07:55,984 --> 00:07:58,224 Speaker 1: Yes, she did grow up very, very wealthy. So her 178 00:07:58,344 --> 00:08:02,104 Speaker 1: father was film producer Bruce Paltrow. Her mother was an 179 00:08:02,104 --> 00:08:05,184 Speaker 1: actress blithe Danna, who was meant to be when she 180 00:08:05,264 --> 00:08:07,904 Speaker 1: started out like the biggest movie start in the world. 181 00:08:07,944 --> 00:08:10,544 Speaker 1: Like she was reading out Meryl's Street for roles, which 182 00:08:10,584 --> 00:08:12,704 Speaker 1: is so interesting looking at where Gwyneth ended up. She 183 00:08:12,824 --> 00:08:15,344 Speaker 1: hated the fame and like the glare of publicity, and 184 00:08:15,424 --> 00:08:18,384 Speaker 1: she hated doing press junkets, so she kind of moved 185 00:08:18,384 --> 00:08:21,064 Speaker 1: away from that. And what's interesting is that when Gwyneth 186 00:08:21,104 --> 00:08:22,744 Speaker 1: was young, she would be asked if she wanted to 187 00:08:22,744 --> 00:08:25,064 Speaker 1: be an actress like her mother, and she would say, no, 188 00:08:25,184 --> 00:08:27,144 Speaker 1: I want to be a movie star like Meryl Streep. 189 00:08:27,224 --> 00:08:29,304 Speaker 1: So she kind of did want that fame from early on. 190 00:08:29,704 --> 00:08:31,064 Speaker 1: Can I just say At the start of the book 191 00:08:31,104 --> 00:08:34,064 Speaker 1: starts with like her parents' backstories and how they found fame, 192 00:08:34,104 --> 00:08:35,864 Speaker 1: and how they fell in love working on a play 193 00:08:35,904 --> 00:08:38,984 Speaker 1: together and their backstory. It goes into Gwenneth being born 194 00:08:39,024 --> 00:08:41,304 Speaker 1: and then follows her all the way to present day. 195 00:08:41,984 --> 00:08:43,944 Speaker 1: My biggest takeaway from the start of the book is 196 00:08:43,944 --> 00:08:48,784 Speaker 1: that Gwyneth Paltrow as a teenager terrifying. I'm having nightmares 197 00:08:48,824 --> 00:08:51,024 Speaker 1: about this girl and ever coming across her and having 198 00:08:51,064 --> 00:08:51,624 Speaker 1: to deal with her. 199 00:08:51,984 --> 00:08:54,064 Speaker 2: The bit that I got through was that first bit, 200 00:08:54,104 --> 00:08:56,744 Speaker 2: because that's a bit that fascinates me the most, and 201 00:08:56,784 --> 00:08:59,864 Speaker 2: the bit where she was like with someone asked her 202 00:09:00,024 --> 00:09:01,904 Speaker 2: if she thought she was going to be famous. 203 00:09:01,904 --> 00:09:03,144 Speaker 4: She's like, no, I know, I am. 204 00:09:03,544 --> 00:09:05,904 Speaker 1: Yes, but that even like, yes, she grew up rich, 205 00:09:05,984 --> 00:09:08,184 Speaker 1: she grew up around a lot of privilege. She grew 206 00:09:08,304 --> 00:09:11,544 Speaker 1: up acting in these like very specialized you know, summer 207 00:09:11,584 --> 00:09:13,784 Speaker 1: camp programs with her parents where other people had to 208 00:09:13,824 --> 00:09:16,304 Speaker 1: come in audition. But if you were the child of someone, 209 00:09:16,304 --> 00:09:18,104 Speaker 1: like they weren't even hiding their nepotism. If you were 210 00:09:18,104 --> 00:09:21,024 Speaker 1: the child of someone, you progressed through the acting camp 211 00:09:21,104 --> 00:09:24,144 Speaker 1: system and all these sorts of things. And because she 212 00:09:24,264 --> 00:09:27,144 Speaker 1: was so beautiful and got away with everything and had 213 00:09:27,144 --> 00:09:30,144 Speaker 1: this charmed life, Like when she was in high school, 214 00:09:30,184 --> 00:09:32,144 Speaker 1: she was smoking like a pack of cigarettes a day, 215 00:09:32,184 --> 00:09:34,304 Speaker 1: which she did all the way through her twenties. I 216 00:09:34,344 --> 00:09:36,384 Speaker 1: was like, I know she's super happy now, but I'm like, 217 00:09:36,424 --> 00:09:39,024 Speaker 1: how is that woman still standing? And her dad was 218 00:09:39,024 --> 00:09:41,144 Speaker 1: friends with Madonna, So when she was in high school, 219 00:09:41,384 --> 00:09:43,544 Speaker 1: Madonna wrote her a letter and was like, hey, Gwyneth, 220 00:09:43,704 --> 00:09:46,704 Speaker 1: like cool girls live longer and they don't smoke. And 221 00:09:46,704 --> 00:09:48,704 Speaker 1: Gwenneth took it to school and like presented it to 222 00:09:48,744 --> 00:09:51,464 Speaker 1: the class, framed it, put in her bedroom and kept smoking. 223 00:09:51,824 --> 00:09:53,344 Speaker 3: Like that's the kind of life she was living. 224 00:09:53,384 --> 00:09:56,464 Speaker 2: And then she went through like some weird kleptomaniac phase 225 00:09:56,504 --> 00:09:58,464 Speaker 2: which she was stealing. She was a. 226 00:09:58,504 --> 00:10:01,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, when she was a kid, she would steal stuff, 227 00:10:01,104 --> 00:10:02,224 Speaker 1: which again a lot of kids do. 228 00:10:02,224 --> 00:10:03,904 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I did. Actually I had a lot of. 229 00:10:03,944 --> 00:10:06,104 Speaker 1: Weird things where I'm like, I was reading Gwen's life 230 00:10:06,144 --> 00:10:07,944 Speaker 1: and thinking that this is actually mirrors back to me, 231 00:10:08,024 --> 00:10:08,704 Speaker 1: which is weird. 232 00:10:08,824 --> 00:10:12,664 Speaker 2: One time I stole lollipop from our local corner store. 233 00:10:13,144 --> 00:10:17,184 Speaker 2: I came home, my mom and dad found it. They 234 00:10:17,344 --> 00:10:20,264 Speaker 2: drove me back up to the corner store. I was 235 00:10:20,304 --> 00:10:24,424 Speaker 2: in tears at this point, walked me in and made 236 00:10:24,504 --> 00:10:28,304 Speaker 2: me return it and apologized profusely for taking it, and 237 00:10:28,344 --> 00:10:30,184 Speaker 2: then I never took anything again. 238 00:10:30,704 --> 00:10:33,064 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think Gwenne's had quite that reaction, because 239 00:10:33,104 --> 00:10:35,104 Speaker 1: when her parents came in for her stealing, they were 240 00:10:35,144 --> 00:10:37,144 Speaker 1: just like, oh, you know, she's got a younger brother. 241 00:10:37,184 --> 00:10:39,264 Speaker 1: Now she's not feeling a center of attention. And her 242 00:10:39,344 --> 00:10:40,664 Speaker 1: dad was like, oh sure, be okay. 243 00:10:40,984 --> 00:10:44,024 Speaker 2: The biggest thing I think that really shaped Gweneth as 244 00:10:44,064 --> 00:10:48,024 Speaker 2: a woman is the daddy's girl of it all. 245 00:10:48,664 --> 00:10:50,584 Speaker 1: Yes, there's a lot of that throughout the book, which 246 00:10:50,624 --> 00:10:53,704 Speaker 1: is something she's spoken about so much. Both her parents' 247 00:10:53,704 --> 00:10:55,864 Speaker 1: stories come into those first few chapters of the book, 248 00:10:55,944 --> 00:10:58,104 Speaker 1: like there's her mum moving them all to like a 249 00:10:58,104 --> 00:11:01,024 Speaker 1: completely different state so they could attend like a nicer school, 250 00:11:01,304 --> 00:11:03,744 Speaker 1: and her dad being like very worried that she wasn't 251 00:11:03,824 --> 00:11:05,944 Speaker 1: very smart in school, and like what was going to 252 00:11:05,984 --> 00:11:08,064 Speaker 1: happen to her and all these sorts of things, and 253 00:11:08,104 --> 00:11:11,264 Speaker 1: also him like forbidding her from going out and smoking, 254 00:11:11,424 --> 00:11:13,984 Speaker 1: going out to parties all night, going to raise dating 255 00:11:13,984 --> 00:11:15,904 Speaker 1: these boys. Like she was like quite a wild child 256 00:11:15,944 --> 00:11:18,584 Speaker 1: as a teenager, which doesn't fit with her kind of persona. Now. 257 00:11:19,064 --> 00:11:20,984 Speaker 3: She's still friends a lot of her high school friends, 258 00:11:20,984 --> 00:11:23,224 Speaker 3: so they wouldn't be interviewed for the book really except 259 00:11:23,224 --> 00:11:25,224 Speaker 3: to give like a few little platitudes here and there. 260 00:11:25,464 --> 00:11:28,064 Speaker 3: But other girls at school would talk about, like her 261 00:11:28,104 --> 00:11:28,744 Speaker 3: first day. 262 00:11:28,624 --> 00:11:31,824 Speaker 1: At this really fancy prep school, she came in this 263 00:11:31,864 --> 00:11:33,904 Speaker 1: outfit that she had selected and it kind of didn't 264 00:11:33,944 --> 00:11:35,584 Speaker 1: hit the mark. The cool girls didn't want to be 265 00:11:35,624 --> 00:11:37,824 Speaker 1: friends with her, so she slipped out after school and 266 00:11:38,024 --> 00:11:40,544 Speaker 1: came back in this like really cool outfit. So she 267 00:11:40,584 --> 00:11:44,224 Speaker 1: went home and like completely redid her image and came 268 00:11:44,264 --> 00:11:47,184 Speaker 1: back and the cool girls accepted her, and they talked 269 00:11:47,184 --> 00:11:49,064 Speaker 1: about the girl on the striped shirt who they weren't 270 00:11:49,064 --> 00:11:51,424 Speaker 1: sure about, and that was her, But she had remade 271 00:11:51,464 --> 00:11:54,624 Speaker 1: herself like in one afternoon to be accepted, and then 272 00:11:54,624 --> 00:11:56,704 Speaker 1: she kind of took over and became their leader. And 273 00:11:56,744 --> 00:11:59,824 Speaker 1: like she would freeze different people out and she was like. 274 00:11:59,864 --> 00:12:02,144 Speaker 4: Moving would have bullied me, God. 275 00:12:02,104 --> 00:12:04,144 Speaker 1: She would have. She wouldn't even looked of my direction, 276 00:12:04,144 --> 00:12:05,904 Speaker 1: which are kind of made me feel in a safer 277 00:12:05,984 --> 00:12:08,304 Speaker 1: zone of like these mind games that she would play 278 00:12:08,304 --> 00:12:08,984 Speaker 1: with her friends. 279 00:12:09,104 --> 00:12:11,384 Speaker 2: But this is kind of the best effort of the 280 00:12:11,424 --> 00:12:13,864 Speaker 2: Australian school system and like the English school system where 281 00:12:13,904 --> 00:12:16,144 Speaker 2: everyone has to wear school uniforms. 282 00:12:15,664 --> 00:12:18,224 Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent, because there is none of that, 283 00:12:18,424 --> 00:12:20,504 Speaker 1: like everybody has to wear the same thing. 284 00:12:21,144 --> 00:12:23,024 Speaker 4: Sure, some girls are gonna hike. 285 00:12:22,944 --> 00:12:25,224 Speaker 2: Their skirts up a little bit or tape of things 286 00:12:25,224 --> 00:12:28,104 Speaker 2: in or I used to roll my sleeves up which was. 287 00:12:28,224 --> 00:12:31,544 Speaker 4: Very much not allowed, or leave my top button under one. 288 00:12:32,384 --> 00:12:34,664 Speaker 2: I feel like it's a bit of an equalizer, whereas 289 00:12:34,664 --> 00:12:37,784 Speaker 2: in American schools it's so much more obvious. 290 00:12:38,104 --> 00:12:41,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, especially I guess like everyone at this particular 291 00:12:41,184 --> 00:12:44,264 Speaker 1: school was like very wealthy and came from these different backgrounds, 292 00:12:44,304 --> 00:12:46,704 Speaker 1: so like there was that level playing field there. But 293 00:12:46,784 --> 00:12:49,104 Speaker 1: Gwyneth kind of like ascended to be the queen bee, 294 00:12:49,344 --> 00:12:51,744 Speaker 1: and apart from like deciding who was in and who 295 00:12:51,824 --> 00:12:54,344 Speaker 1: was out and sometimes isolating people, she also just had 296 00:12:54,344 --> 00:12:56,224 Speaker 1: this thing where she like didn't care. Like there's this 297 00:12:56,264 --> 00:12:59,064 Speaker 1: story that one of her classmates tells about them standing 298 00:12:59,064 --> 00:13:01,424 Speaker 1: in the locker room putting their swimmers on. 299 00:13:01,384 --> 00:13:02,184 Speaker 3: To go and dope. 300 00:13:02,424 --> 00:13:05,024 Speaker 1: And all the girls hated this like green swimsuit they 301 00:13:05,024 --> 00:13:07,384 Speaker 1: had to wear. It was really unflattering and they hated 302 00:13:07,384 --> 00:13:09,864 Speaker 1: putting them on. But Gwyneth loved putting hers on because 303 00:13:09,864 --> 00:13:11,184 Speaker 1: she would just like put it on because she was 304 00:13:11,184 --> 00:13:13,824 Speaker 1: so beautiful. And she said that she looked over this 305 00:13:13,904 --> 00:13:16,024 Speaker 1: other girl who she wasn't friends with, and looked her 306 00:13:16,104 --> 00:13:17,824 Speaker 1: up and down, like stared at her in the eye 307 00:13:17,824 --> 00:13:21,584 Speaker 1: and then said, isn't it interesting how everyone's body is different? Oh, 308 00:13:21,944 --> 00:13:24,504 Speaker 1: and then like walked away, and this girl is like, 309 00:13:24,904 --> 00:13:27,184 Speaker 1: I still think about it to this day. I don't 310 00:13:27,184 --> 00:13:28,944 Speaker 1: want to paint this like you because again I've read 311 00:13:28,944 --> 00:13:30,184 Speaker 1: the whole book now, don't want to paint this like 312 00:13:30,224 --> 00:13:32,184 Speaker 1: Gwyneth is evil, because there's a lot of lovely stuff 313 00:13:32,184 --> 00:13:33,984 Speaker 1: in there about her. Yeah. 314 00:13:34,024 --> 00:13:37,864 Speaker 2: I think that that comes from being so spoilt rotten 315 00:13:38,024 --> 00:13:42,344 Speaker 2: by your father. Yeah, and he really did. And her 316 00:13:42,384 --> 00:13:47,744 Speaker 2: brother Jake was kind of ignored. He's still in the industry, 317 00:13:47,904 --> 00:13:52,744 Speaker 2: he's around. But I think Gwyneth was very much the 318 00:13:52,784 --> 00:13:57,104 Speaker 2: golden child, like Bruce took her to Paris for you know, 319 00:13:57,264 --> 00:13:59,544 Speaker 2: I want to be the one to take you to Paris. 320 00:13:59,664 --> 00:14:02,424 Speaker 2: I want to be the one to give you everything. 321 00:14:02,624 --> 00:14:05,344 Speaker 2: And I think she was really spoiled in that moment. 322 00:14:05,384 --> 00:14:08,104 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that people don't grow up and change, 323 00:14:08,144 --> 00:14:12,184 Speaker 2: but that is such a crux of her her upbringing. 324 00:14:12,624 --> 00:14:16,304 Speaker 2: Is that confidence that she received at a very early age. 325 00:14:16,704 --> 00:14:19,104 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, And as she said, like I've read 326 00:14:19,144 --> 00:14:22,344 Speaker 1: the whole book now and there's not any big, huge, 327 00:14:22,384 --> 00:14:25,304 Speaker 1: scandalous reveals that we kind of already didn't know about 328 00:14:25,304 --> 00:14:27,104 Speaker 1: her life, which I think is what a lot of 329 00:14:27,104 --> 00:14:28,864 Speaker 1: people wanted. But what I think is all like the 330 00:14:28,864 --> 00:14:32,224 Speaker 1: little stories that are sprinkled through about these big moments 331 00:14:32,224 --> 00:14:34,824 Speaker 1: that were like maybe public but just hadn't been told before. 332 00:14:35,224 --> 00:14:36,224 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's interesting. 333 00:14:36,224 --> 00:14:39,144 Speaker 1: As she became a movie star, she was very much 334 00:14:39,224 --> 00:14:41,024 Speaker 1: like not wanting to be famous. It's like she went 335 00:14:41,024 --> 00:14:42,744 Speaker 1: to her mother's way for a little bit where she 336 00:14:42,784 --> 00:14:45,064 Speaker 1: wanted to be a really serious actress. She was chasing 337 00:14:45,104 --> 00:14:47,944 Speaker 1: down these very serious roles. People would say. She would 338 00:14:47,944 --> 00:14:50,864 Speaker 1: come on to set like very prepared, but also like 339 00:14:50,944 --> 00:14:53,144 Speaker 1: what you're saying of like coming from this like privileged 340 00:14:53,184 --> 00:14:55,224 Speaker 1: world that she would say like she wanted to sit 341 00:14:55,224 --> 00:14:57,744 Speaker 1: in the assistant director's chair while she was watching her 342 00:14:57,744 --> 00:14:59,544 Speaker 1: mother do a scene, so he just had to move 343 00:14:59,544 --> 00:15:01,224 Speaker 1: and he went outside and was like, that's my chair, 344 00:15:01,424 --> 00:15:03,704 Speaker 1: but they just had to do it. Also in the book, 345 00:15:03,744 --> 00:15:05,704 Speaker 1: it's linked to like you don't wanted to find her 346 00:15:05,704 --> 00:15:08,984 Speaker 1: by her romances, these big public stories that she's had, 347 00:15:09,304 --> 00:15:12,024 Speaker 1: but they are kind of bookmarks of her career. And 348 00:15:12,664 --> 00:15:15,344 Speaker 1: she said in so many interviews which I hadn't kind 349 00:15:15,384 --> 00:15:17,464 Speaker 1: of picked up before, is that she thinks that she 350 00:15:17,544 --> 00:15:20,424 Speaker 1: actually has become famous over time for her romance is 351 00:15:20,504 --> 00:15:22,744 Speaker 1: not her roles, which I thought was interesting because when 352 00:15:22,744 --> 00:15:24,944 Speaker 1: I look back, I never see Gwyneth Paltrow as like 353 00:15:25,424 --> 00:15:27,944 Speaker 1: someone who's been defined by a boyfriend, but she kind 354 00:15:27,984 --> 00:15:29,104 Speaker 1: of was for twenty years. 355 00:15:29,184 --> 00:15:31,584 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, I see that. I know she 356 00:15:31,704 --> 00:15:34,624 Speaker 2: won the Oscar and she's obviously been in a lot 357 00:15:34,624 --> 00:15:38,224 Speaker 2: of movies, but I do tend to agree with that 358 00:15:38,344 --> 00:15:41,184 Speaker 2: a little bit. It's almost like it kind of reminds 359 00:15:41,224 --> 00:15:43,824 Speaker 2: me of, you know, you're Elizabeth Hurley in your Vesace 360 00:15:44,024 --> 00:15:49,784 Speaker 2: dress with Hugh Grant, like that was her moment and 361 00:15:49,864 --> 00:15:52,824 Speaker 2: I feel like Gwenos with Brad, with Ben Affleck like 362 00:15:52,944 --> 00:15:57,064 Speaker 2: that kind of Each time she dated someone more famous, 363 00:15:58,064 --> 00:16:01,744 Speaker 2: it escalated her career more and more and more. 364 00:16:01,984 --> 00:16:03,624 Speaker 1: Yes, in the book, it talks about the fact that 365 00:16:03,664 --> 00:16:05,704 Speaker 1: she was trying out for all these roles and she 366 00:16:05,784 --> 00:16:08,984 Speaker 1: kept losing to like Julia Ormond or other actresses the 367 00:16:09,024 --> 00:16:11,624 Speaker 1: time who were be a bit more prevalent than her. 368 00:16:11,784 --> 00:16:14,104 Speaker 1: But she did a screen test with Brad Pitt for 369 00:16:14,184 --> 00:16:16,344 Speaker 1: Legends of the fall Man Great Chemistry, so he was 370 00:16:16,384 --> 00:16:18,584 Speaker 1: the one who wanted her on seven. Obviously she was 371 00:16:18,624 --> 00:16:20,824 Speaker 1: already an actress. That kind of catapulted her to fame 372 00:16:20,864 --> 00:16:24,184 Speaker 1: in a different way because she and Brad became this 373 00:16:24,304 --> 00:16:28,304 Speaker 1: kind of duo where she would do a lot more 374 00:16:28,384 --> 00:16:29,784 Speaker 1: like it's talked about in the book that she would 375 00:16:29,784 --> 00:16:31,344 Speaker 1: go and do a lot more pressed because people wanted 376 00:16:31,384 --> 00:16:33,664 Speaker 1: her to talk about Brad, and because she was so young, 377 00:16:33,784 --> 00:16:36,984 Speaker 1: she would just give all these details about their relationship 378 00:16:37,064 --> 00:16:39,144 Speaker 1: and they would go and pose together, and she would 379 00:16:39,144 --> 00:16:41,344 Speaker 1: bring him to an event and things like that, not 380 00:16:41,424 --> 00:16:44,504 Speaker 1: kind of realizing how intense the whole thing was. It's 381 00:16:44,544 --> 00:16:47,184 Speaker 1: kind of interesting because she was only twenty two and 382 00:16:47,224 --> 00:16:50,864 Speaker 1: he was like thirty three. When he proposed to her, 383 00:16:51,224 --> 00:16:53,464 Speaker 1: and in the book it's like it comes out of nowhere. 384 00:16:53,984 --> 00:16:56,224 Speaker 1: Then they had this kind of back and forth over 385 00:16:56,504 --> 00:16:58,904 Speaker 1: their age gap, which I feel is like we kind 386 00:16:58,944 --> 00:17:01,864 Speaker 1: of thought they broke up because she thought he was 387 00:17:01,904 --> 00:17:03,624 Speaker 1: like not in her league, which comes out in the 388 00:17:03,624 --> 00:17:05,704 Speaker 1: book as well, but it also is a thing of 389 00:17:05,744 --> 00:17:07,544 Speaker 1: like he was in his thirties, he was ready to 390 00:17:07,544 --> 00:17:09,144 Speaker 1: settle down and have kids, and she was like kind 391 00:17:09,144 --> 00:17:10,224 Speaker 1: of just starting her career. 392 00:17:10,824 --> 00:17:15,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, particularly in that era, the woman 393 00:17:15,104 --> 00:17:19,784 Speaker 2: as the handbag was very prevalent, like where Gwyneth was 394 00:17:20,184 --> 00:17:24,104 Speaker 2: is and was particularly back then, the most stunning woman. 395 00:17:24,264 --> 00:17:26,864 Speaker 2: So having a person like that on your arm is 396 00:17:26,944 --> 00:17:31,704 Speaker 2: going to immediately elevate your career too. And I'm sure 397 00:17:31,704 --> 00:17:34,904 Speaker 2: she took advantage of that, but it doesn't negate the 398 00:17:35,464 --> 00:17:40,144 Speaker 2: work and the success that she's had since then. But 399 00:17:40,664 --> 00:17:43,184 Speaker 2: do we hear anything else because I didn't get to 400 00:17:43,224 --> 00:17:46,384 Speaker 2: these chapters. Do we hear anything else about the later 401 00:17:46,464 --> 00:17:48,824 Speaker 2: loves of her life, particularly Chris Martin? 402 00:17:49,304 --> 00:17:51,864 Speaker 1: Yes? And actually it's so interesting how it's, you know, 403 00:17:51,864 --> 00:17:54,144 Speaker 1: how kind of like we thought when Taylor so released her, 404 00:17:54,144 --> 00:17:56,224 Speaker 1: Albert was going to be all about Joe Olwen because 405 00:17:56,224 --> 00:17:58,864 Speaker 1: they'd been together for ages, but it was mostly about 406 00:17:58,864 --> 00:18:00,944 Speaker 1: Manny Healy because he's the one that kind of stuck 407 00:18:00,984 --> 00:18:02,864 Speaker 1: in her world a bit more. I feel like, for 408 00:18:03,024 --> 00:18:06,304 Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow, that's Ben Affleck and kind of kind of 409 00:18:06,344 --> 00:18:08,624 Speaker 1: realize how tumultuous their relationship was. 410 00:18:08,944 --> 00:18:10,144 Speaker 3: I guess she kept it more. 411 00:18:10,704 --> 00:18:12,584 Speaker 1: Like there's quotes from Ben Athwick saying they would go 412 00:18:12,624 --> 00:18:14,024 Speaker 1: to events and people would say can we take a 413 00:18:14,064 --> 00:18:17,384 Speaker 1: photo of you together, and that he would say no, sorry, 414 00:18:17,384 --> 00:18:19,424 Speaker 1: Gwenneth said no, Like Gwenna said no to this, like 415 00:18:19,464 --> 00:18:21,384 Speaker 1: she was the one who was kind of calling the shots. 416 00:18:21,784 --> 00:18:23,944 Speaker 1: And I kind of understand that because there's these stories 417 00:18:23,944 --> 00:18:27,424 Speaker 1: of like how intense the fandom around her and Brad 418 00:18:27,464 --> 00:18:30,624 Speaker 1: Pitt was, not just from the press but from the public, 419 00:18:30,864 --> 00:18:33,544 Speaker 1: that they would just get followed everywhere by fans who 420 00:18:33,584 --> 00:18:35,864 Speaker 1: were obsessed with them being together. And there's this one 421 00:18:35,904 --> 00:18:37,904 Speaker 1: story in the book where they were traveling and so 422 00:18:37,944 --> 00:18:40,384 Speaker 1: they were in this hotel. They had security guards outside 423 00:18:40,664 --> 00:18:43,304 Speaker 1: and the throng of people outside, the fans who found 424 00:18:43,304 --> 00:18:45,664 Speaker 1: out that they're kept growing and growing growing, and then 425 00:18:45,664 --> 00:18:48,424 Speaker 1: this one woman like scale the fence and snuck into 426 00:18:48,424 --> 00:18:51,864 Speaker 1: the hotel and like got into their room and all 427 00:18:51,904 --> 00:18:53,464 Speaker 1: of a sudden, like it's just like Brad Pitt and 428 00:18:53,544 --> 00:18:55,944 Speaker 1: Gonneth Paltrow in this room, and this young woman appears 429 00:18:55,984 --> 00:18:59,384 Speaker 1: and everyone starts screaming and security comes in. And if 430 00:18:59,424 --> 00:19:01,784 Speaker 1: this story is true, it made me like Gwyneth Paltrow 431 00:19:01,784 --> 00:19:04,424 Speaker 1: because apparently she was obviously quite shocked because there was 432 00:19:04,424 --> 00:19:07,024 Speaker 1: a stranger in her hotel room with Brad, but then 433 00:19:07,064 --> 00:19:09,944 Speaker 1: she clocked that it was a teenage girl and the 434 00:19:09,984 --> 00:19:12,264 Speaker 1: secure girl but like grabbing her and pulling her, and 435 00:19:12,304 --> 00:19:14,624 Speaker 1: so apparently Grunna like ran across the room and like 436 00:19:14,664 --> 00:19:16,944 Speaker 1: pull the security guards off the young girl and was 437 00:19:16,984 --> 00:19:18,984 Speaker 1: like shielding her and trying to protect her and being 438 00:19:18,984 --> 00:19:20,744 Speaker 1: like she's not trying to hurt her, she's not crazy, 439 00:19:20,784 --> 00:19:22,344 Speaker 1: she's just like she's so young, like she didn't know 440 00:19:22,384 --> 00:19:24,464 Speaker 1: what she was doing. I'm sure the girl like got 441 00:19:24,504 --> 00:19:26,104 Speaker 1: into the hotel and was like, shit, I didn't think 442 00:19:26,144 --> 00:19:26,944 Speaker 1: this is gonna happen. 443 00:19:27,304 --> 00:19:28,224 Speaker 3: What do I do now? 444 00:19:28,544 --> 00:19:30,704 Speaker 1: And so I think that level of fame for them 445 00:19:30,824 --> 00:19:33,784 Speaker 1: kind of made her keep her bent athletic relationship out 446 00:19:33,784 --> 00:19:35,024 Speaker 1: of oppress, like to an extent. 447 00:19:35,424 --> 00:19:38,624 Speaker 2: I love that, and I think that That's probably one 448 00:19:38,664 --> 00:19:41,384 Speaker 2: of the things that not that this is ever an 449 00:19:41,384 --> 00:19:44,784 Speaker 2: option for me, but that level of fame is so 450 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:49,224 Speaker 2: terrifying because you just like people can be a little 451 00:19:49,264 --> 00:19:51,864 Speaker 2: and you don't know whether it is I think teenage 452 00:19:51,904 --> 00:19:54,104 Speaker 2: girls is one thing, but you don't know whether it 453 00:19:54,264 --> 00:19:59,544 Speaker 2: is an obsessive stalker like murdery vibe, or it's just 454 00:19:59,624 --> 00:20:03,224 Speaker 2: someone who is so in love with you and thinks 455 00:20:03,264 --> 00:20:05,944 Speaker 2: they know you and thinks that they have a relationship 456 00:20:05,984 --> 00:20:08,544 Speaker 2: with you and like a teenage girl. So I really 457 00:20:08,544 --> 00:20:11,704 Speaker 2: I do respect that she kind of took that and 458 00:20:11,784 --> 00:20:16,104 Speaker 2: said let's just all take a breath here, because I 459 00:20:16,144 --> 00:20:19,424 Speaker 2: think the initial reaction would be take her down, get 460 00:20:19,424 --> 00:20:22,144 Speaker 2: her out, we need safety. But I think when as 461 00:20:22,144 --> 00:20:26,384 Speaker 2: seeing past that and going, oh, she's just a girl 462 00:20:26,424 --> 00:20:27,384 Speaker 2: who loves Brad. 463 00:20:27,664 --> 00:20:30,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look at the time, didn't we all Yeah, 464 00:20:30,184 --> 00:20:32,464 Speaker 1: it's not interesting when she talks about meaning Ben athlete, 465 00:20:32,544 --> 00:20:34,344 Speaker 1: it was kind of this idea that she'd finally met 466 00:20:34,384 --> 00:20:36,904 Speaker 1: someone who was her equal, which is kind of interesting 467 00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:39,584 Speaker 1: because I always think of Ben Affleck as like more 468 00:20:39,584 --> 00:20:41,544 Speaker 1: of that kind of like he talks about growing up 469 00:20:41,584 --> 00:20:43,944 Speaker 1: on the streets of Boston and like this rough upbringing 470 00:20:44,024 --> 00:20:45,584 Speaker 1: and like being in high school and him and Matt 471 00:20:45,624 --> 00:20:47,904 Speaker 1: Damon like hatching plans to be famous and all this 472 00:20:47,944 --> 00:20:50,504 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. But when Gwyneth Paltro met him, and 473 00:20:50,544 --> 00:20:52,504 Speaker 1: I guess this kind of is probably true, she was like, 474 00:20:52,544 --> 00:20:55,624 Speaker 1: he grew up in Cambridge, he came from all educated background. 475 00:20:55,944 --> 00:20:57,944 Speaker 1: He knew about the things, he knew about literature, he 476 00:20:58,024 --> 00:21:01,144 Speaker 1: knew about worldly things. And after having to like train 477 00:21:01,224 --> 00:21:03,824 Speaker 1: Brad Pitt and Caviat and all these sorts of things. 478 00:21:04,104 --> 00:21:06,184 Speaker 1: And there's also this story where she had organized for 479 00:21:06,304 --> 00:21:08,744 Speaker 1: her and Brad Pitt to go visit like these beautiful 480 00:21:08,744 --> 00:21:10,544 Speaker 1: spots in Russia and stuff, and he was late. He 481 00:21:10,584 --> 00:21:12,824 Speaker 1: missed the like deadline for them to go in, and 482 00:21:12,864 --> 00:21:15,104 Speaker 1: so she was just I think she hated Brad Pitts. 483 00:21:15,104 --> 00:21:17,624 Speaker 1: So reading between the lines, she hated Brad Pitt so 484 00:21:17,744 --> 00:21:20,184 Speaker 1: much in their last year of being gaming. 485 00:21:20,424 --> 00:21:24,104 Speaker 2: I get it, And I think, like classicism and you know, 486 00:21:24,224 --> 00:21:27,544 Speaker 2: difference in the way that you were brought up, I 487 00:21:27,624 --> 00:21:29,384 Speaker 2: completely understand that. 488 00:21:30,104 --> 00:21:31,824 Speaker 4: It just gives me the egg a little bit. 489 00:21:32,024 --> 00:21:35,064 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, like it's just I understand it, though, 490 00:21:35,104 --> 00:21:37,704 Speaker 2: I do understand it. When you're brought up in a 491 00:21:37,744 --> 00:21:40,864 Speaker 2: certain way, and someone doesn't follow the rules that have 492 00:21:40,984 --> 00:21:44,064 Speaker 2: become innate in you, you don't even have to think 493 00:21:44,104 --> 00:21:45,104 Speaker 2: about them anymore. 494 00:21:45,264 --> 00:21:46,264 Speaker 4: Yeah. 495 00:21:46,344 --> 00:21:48,424 Speaker 1: I just love this idea of like seeing like Gwanavan 496 00:21:48,584 --> 00:21:51,104 Speaker 1: and Brad Pitt being like the hottest couple in the 497 00:21:51,104 --> 00:21:53,344 Speaker 1: world and everyone's obsessed with them. They're planning this big 498 00:21:53,344 --> 00:21:56,264 Speaker 1: wedding and her being like, I just hate being alone 499 00:21:56,304 --> 00:21:58,784 Speaker 1: with you is just so funny. But she was obsessed 500 00:21:58,824 --> 00:22:01,224 Speaker 1: with ben Affleck. She met him, she thought he was 501 00:22:01,264 --> 00:22:03,544 Speaker 1: the smartest person that she'd met. And the other thing 502 00:22:03,584 --> 00:22:05,784 Speaker 1: is he thought she was the smartest woman he'd ever 503 00:22:05,864 --> 00:22:08,744 Speaker 1: dated at that time. And she talks about like as 504 00:22:08,824 --> 00:22:11,064 Speaker 1: much as he kind of ignored her a lot. And 505 00:22:11,104 --> 00:22:12,944 Speaker 1: it's like he's playing really hot and cold with her, 506 00:22:12,984 --> 00:22:15,504 Speaker 1: Like ben Affleck in his like twenties and thirties, working 507 00:22:15,544 --> 00:22:18,304 Speaker 1: at a level that is like quite intense with his 508 00:22:18,384 --> 00:22:18,904 Speaker 1: dating life. 509 00:22:18,904 --> 00:22:22,464 Speaker 4: I'm going it does a surprise me. Yeah, Nan, But 510 00:22:22,504 --> 00:22:24,664 Speaker 4: what about Chris Martin. I want to know a little 511 00:22:24,704 --> 00:22:26,424 Speaker 4: bit more about the cold Play years. 512 00:22:26,744 --> 00:22:28,744 Speaker 3: That's an interesting one because she went back and forth. 513 00:22:28,784 --> 00:22:30,664 Speaker 1: I mean, she obviously dated lots of other people, but 514 00:22:30,704 --> 00:22:33,704 Speaker 1: ben Affleck was kind of her like other big public romance, 515 00:22:33,984 --> 00:22:36,704 Speaker 1: they broke up, they got back together. She called him 516 00:22:36,784 --> 00:22:38,504 Speaker 1: to do a movie with her because she was like, 517 00:22:38,504 --> 00:22:41,624 Speaker 1: that's where our relationship is right now, like the intensity 518 00:22:41,664 --> 00:22:43,264 Speaker 1: of them kind of. And I think they actually broke 519 00:22:43,344 --> 00:22:45,104 Speaker 1: up and got back together more than we even know 520 00:22:45,264 --> 00:22:47,544 Speaker 1: in the public eye kind of from the book is 521 00:22:47,584 --> 00:22:49,584 Speaker 1: that they just kept trying to make it work because 522 00:22:49,584 --> 00:22:52,104 Speaker 1: they were so drawn to each other. And she says 523 00:22:52,104 --> 00:22:53,984 Speaker 1: so many times how good the sex was, over and 524 00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:55,744 Speaker 1: over again, like that's the one thing that she wants 525 00:22:55,744 --> 00:22:58,824 Speaker 1: on the record. She met Chris Martin kind of, I 526 00:22:58,864 --> 00:23:00,784 Speaker 1: mean obviously that they were together for a long time 527 00:23:00,904 --> 00:23:03,664 Speaker 1: and they had two kids together, and she talks about 528 00:23:03,664 --> 00:23:07,024 Speaker 1: like motherhood stripping her ambition for a while, but also 529 00:23:07,064 --> 00:23:09,664 Speaker 1: that he was just like this really safe landing space 530 00:23:10,464 --> 00:23:12,624 Speaker 1: for her after her father died, because that was a 531 00:23:12,704 --> 00:23:15,704 Speaker 1: huge trauma in her life and she was feeling like 532 00:23:15,864 --> 00:23:18,744 Speaker 1: very burned by the industry and just wanting this safe 533 00:23:18,744 --> 00:23:20,824 Speaker 1: place and Chris Martin kind of was that for her. 534 00:23:21,344 --> 00:23:24,744 Speaker 1: It's also interesting how much she saw her divorce from 535 00:23:24,824 --> 00:23:26,904 Speaker 1: him as a failure, which is something I didn't really 536 00:23:26,944 --> 00:23:29,624 Speaker 1: know about her as much. So in the book, they 537 00:23:29,624 --> 00:23:32,784 Speaker 1: get into like the whole group situation, which is also 538 00:23:32,824 --> 00:23:38,064 Speaker 1: interesting because her wellness addiction. I thought always from this 539 00:23:38,104 --> 00:23:40,624 Speaker 1: idea of her wanting to like look a certain way, 540 00:23:40,704 --> 00:23:42,904 Speaker 1: because you know, she says she said publicly, and she 541 00:23:42,944 --> 00:23:46,664 Speaker 1: said through the book as well that looking unhealthy, being overweight, 542 00:23:46,744 --> 00:23:49,744 Speaker 1: looking tired are her like biggest kind of fears that 543 00:23:49,824 --> 00:23:53,104 Speaker 1: she has. But in the early days of starting her 544 00:23:53,104 --> 00:23:56,904 Speaker 1: Wellness Empiring group, she told like her close family and friends, 545 00:23:56,944 --> 00:23:59,544 Speaker 1: that cancer had taken everything from her, had taken her 546 00:23:59,544 --> 00:24:02,864 Speaker 1: loved ones. She lived with this really intense fear. She 547 00:24:02,904 --> 00:24:05,304 Speaker 1: talks about like hosting this lunch in her backyard and 548 00:24:05,304 --> 00:24:07,904 Speaker 1: feeling her hand going numb and getting a headache and 549 00:24:07,984 --> 00:24:10,544 Speaker 1: thinking that she was dying, and hearing her kids play 550 00:24:10,584 --> 00:24:12,224 Speaker 1: in the yard and thinking, what if I got so 551 00:24:12,264 --> 00:24:15,904 Speaker 1: sick I couldn't look after them. And afterwards the doctor 552 00:24:15,984 --> 00:24:17,544 Speaker 1: was like, it wasn't a stroke. It was probably like 553 00:24:17,624 --> 00:24:20,264 Speaker 1: a bit of a migraine accentuated by a panic attack. 554 00:24:20,664 --> 00:24:22,424 Speaker 1: But she then went on this whole big thing where 555 00:24:22,424 --> 00:24:24,384 Speaker 1: she went to all these different gurus and helped people 556 00:24:24,424 --> 00:24:27,624 Speaker 1: and doctors, like looking for something to like make her 557 00:24:27,664 --> 00:24:30,104 Speaker 1: never think that she was going to die again. And 558 00:24:30,184 --> 00:24:32,264 Speaker 1: so I think the whole group thing is very linked 559 00:24:32,264 --> 00:24:34,664 Speaker 1: at this like fear she has of dying or being 560 00:24:34,704 --> 00:24:37,064 Speaker 1: unwell or someone in her life being unwell. So she 561 00:24:37,144 --> 00:24:39,264 Speaker 1: turned to all these like alternative medicines and was like, 562 00:24:39,304 --> 00:24:41,544 Speaker 1: if I just eat this and I drink this, then 563 00:24:41,584 --> 00:24:43,224 Speaker 1: I'll live forever and so will my family. 564 00:24:43,344 --> 00:24:45,344 Speaker 2: And look, she's not the first person to do this. 565 00:24:45,464 --> 00:24:48,104 Speaker 2: You know, Eastern medicine has been around for thousands of years. 566 00:24:48,144 --> 00:24:48,704 Speaker 2: We know that. 567 00:24:49,224 --> 00:24:50,904 Speaker 4: But you know, those were the. 568 00:24:51,384 --> 00:24:55,904 Speaker 2: Bait hitting stories, you know, the vaginal steaming and the 569 00:24:56,264 --> 00:25:00,064 Speaker 2: lots of vagina stuff and vagina candles and I mean 570 00:25:00,144 --> 00:25:03,704 Speaker 2: all of that stuff, you know, was so tied up 571 00:25:03,704 --> 00:25:08,584 Speaker 2: in her brand and so baity. But she has really 572 00:25:08,624 --> 00:25:12,784 Speaker 2: built an empire and before a lot of other people 573 00:25:12,904 --> 00:25:17,264 Speaker 2: jumped onto that train in terms of commercializing it. 574 00:25:17,944 --> 00:25:18,784 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 575 00:25:18,784 --> 00:25:20,704 Speaker 1: Which again, so it's like throughout the book it because 576 00:25:20,704 --> 00:25:22,944 Speaker 1: they've interviewed so many different people, they talk about her 577 00:25:23,344 --> 00:25:26,304 Speaker 1: wanting to like monetize it and make all this money 578 00:25:26,304 --> 00:25:28,304 Speaker 1: and everything like that, but it's also just yeah, was 579 00:25:28,384 --> 00:25:30,624 Speaker 1: linked to this idea of her also wanting to build 580 00:25:30,624 --> 00:25:33,384 Speaker 1: a business. And it's kind of interesting because the story 581 00:25:33,464 --> 00:25:36,704 Speaker 1: that she tells publicly is this whole thing of like 582 00:25:36,904 --> 00:25:38,344 Speaker 1: she didn't know only know what she was doing and 583 00:25:38,384 --> 00:25:40,744 Speaker 1: she had to google like business phrases under the table, 584 00:25:41,064 --> 00:25:43,264 Speaker 1: whereas behind the scenes people were saying that she is 585 00:25:43,304 --> 00:25:45,664 Speaker 1: a lot more involved and a lot more like not 586 00:25:45,704 --> 00:25:47,384 Speaker 1: that she knew what she was doing, but she's kind 587 00:25:47,384 --> 00:25:49,464 Speaker 1: of like was trying to be the boss behind the 588 00:25:49,504 --> 00:25:52,904 Speaker 1: scenes in a really intense way. There's not that much 589 00:25:52,904 --> 00:25:54,784 Speaker 1: stuff in there also in the book about like her 590 00:25:54,824 --> 00:25:57,184 Speaker 1: Like there's obviously like behind the scenes of parties and stuff, 591 00:25:57,184 --> 00:26:00,344 Speaker 1: but it's more her like kind of granular life around 592 00:26:00,504 --> 00:26:03,064 Speaker 1: kind of like yeah, building her business or being a mother, 593 00:26:03,224 --> 00:26:05,784 Speaker 1: or like how she reacted to scandals. But there are 594 00:26:05,824 --> 00:26:07,784 Speaker 1: a few stories and how we talked about the Madonna story, 595 00:26:08,264 --> 00:26:10,544 Speaker 1: how there was that story around how her friendship with 596 00:26:10,584 --> 00:26:13,144 Speaker 1: Madonna broke up and that made headlines when the excerpts 597 00:26:13,184 --> 00:26:15,624 Speaker 1: from the book came out. There's also a story there 598 00:26:15,664 --> 00:26:19,464 Speaker 1: about how she and Minnie Driver stopped being friends. Oh yeah, 599 00:26:19,504 --> 00:26:22,024 Speaker 1: and also the Wanona writer stuff like the Merry Driver 600 00:26:22,144 --> 00:26:24,544 Speaker 1: and Ben Affleck weren't they in Yeah, So this is 601 00:26:24,624 --> 00:26:26,264 Speaker 1: kind of what I was interested in. Again, she's got 602 00:26:26,304 --> 00:26:28,064 Speaker 1: a lot of her same friends that she's had since 603 00:26:28,104 --> 00:26:29,584 Speaker 1: primary school. So I'm not saying that she's like a 604 00:26:29,624 --> 00:26:31,624 Speaker 1: bad person she can't keep friends, but I think there 605 00:26:31,664 --> 00:26:34,624 Speaker 1: was such a spotlight on the years over her romantic 606 00:26:34,704 --> 00:26:37,904 Speaker 1: relationship with stars, but also these big celeb friendships. So 607 00:26:38,144 --> 00:26:39,744 Speaker 1: in the book they say that like it was that 608 00:26:40,384 --> 00:26:43,744 Speaker 1: holiday that Madonna like invited her cell phone, came to dinner, 609 00:26:43,784 --> 00:26:45,664 Speaker 1: screamed at her daughter, and Chris Martin's like, we're never 610 00:26:45,664 --> 00:26:46,304 Speaker 1: seeing her again. 611 00:26:46,384 --> 00:26:47,024 Speaker 3: She's toxic. 612 00:26:47,264 --> 00:26:49,944 Speaker 1: So even though Gwyneth had been like friends with her 613 00:26:50,024 --> 00:26:51,664 Speaker 1: since she was a child and she was kind of 614 00:26:51,664 --> 00:26:55,224 Speaker 1: like a godmother to her, that relationship ended. And then 615 00:26:55,304 --> 00:26:58,584 Speaker 1: the Warnona Writer thing ended over the Shakespeare in Love script, 616 00:26:58,624 --> 00:27:01,944 Speaker 1: which the book says that Gwyneth was offered she barely 617 00:27:01,984 --> 00:27:04,704 Speaker 1: read the script because she had just done Emma and 618 00:27:04,784 --> 00:27:08,104 Speaker 1: she had actually put Warnona Writer's name forward from it. 619 00:27:08,104 --> 00:27:09,184 Speaker 1: This is the only part of the book I fel 620 00:27:09,224 --> 00:27:11,024 Speaker 1: like gwen It's involved in She was like I want 621 00:27:11,024 --> 00:27:13,904 Speaker 1: this rumor crush and she's somehow like planted this, and 622 00:27:13,944 --> 00:27:15,704 Speaker 1: then the movie came around to her. 623 00:27:15,624 --> 00:27:16,464 Speaker 3: Again and she took it. 624 00:27:16,504 --> 00:27:17,904 Speaker 1: So there was no way that she was trying to 625 00:27:17,904 --> 00:27:20,384 Speaker 1: take Wanona write her down is her official story, but 626 00:27:20,464 --> 00:27:22,584 Speaker 1: in the book so Yes, Mini Driver had been cast 627 00:27:22,584 --> 00:27:25,944 Speaker 1: in Goodwill Hunting, which was Ben Affleck and Matt Damon's 628 00:27:26,064 --> 00:27:28,864 Speaker 1: big move. First move they worked on won an oscar. 629 00:27:29,104 --> 00:27:31,464 Speaker 1: This huge story of these like two young guys from 630 00:27:31,544 --> 00:27:36,184 Speaker 1: Boston making this incredible movie. On the movie, Matt Damon 631 00:27:36,344 --> 00:27:38,944 Speaker 1: and Minnie Driver started dating. They were together for a while, 632 00:27:39,024 --> 00:27:40,984 Speaker 1: so it was just like Fourceim in Hollywood. It was 633 00:27:40,984 --> 00:27:44,784 Speaker 1: Matt and Minnie and then Ben and Gwen, great couple names. 634 00:27:44,984 --> 00:27:47,904 Speaker 1: And then after a while Matt started to want to 635 00:27:47,944 --> 00:27:50,824 Speaker 1: break up with Mini Driver. And apparently I would love 636 00:27:50,824 --> 00:27:53,464 Speaker 1: Mini Driver's take on this, because apparently Gwenneth hated her. 637 00:27:53,824 --> 00:27:56,504 Speaker 1: She called her an air kiss friend. And one of 638 00:27:56,504 --> 00:27:58,424 Speaker 1: the interesting things from the book is that if Gwenneth 639 00:27:58,464 --> 00:28:01,064 Speaker 1: doesn't like someone, she makes a vomit face behind them 640 00:28:01,064 --> 00:28:01,664 Speaker 1: when they talk. 641 00:28:02,984 --> 00:28:03,704 Speaker 3: Is that not the. 642 00:28:05,184 --> 00:28:07,264 Speaker 1: It's like it's brought up in the early years when 643 00:28:07,264 --> 00:28:08,624 Speaker 1: she's in her twenties, and I was like, maybe that's 644 00:28:08,664 --> 00:28:11,944 Speaker 1: something she did her twenties. Her. I'm so scared of her. 645 00:28:12,064 --> 00:28:14,024 Speaker 1: I just never want to be around her, and I 646 00:28:14,064 --> 00:28:16,104 Speaker 1: also love her. It's so weird in the and then 647 00:28:16,144 --> 00:28:18,104 Speaker 1: at the end of the book, they're talking about her 648 00:28:18,144 --> 00:28:20,384 Speaker 1: being a meetings for people in group not doing things 649 00:28:20,384 --> 00:28:21,984 Speaker 1: that she doesn't like, and how she would kind of 650 00:28:22,024 --> 00:28:23,904 Speaker 1: push people out and they would come and resign and 651 00:28:23,944 --> 00:28:27,024 Speaker 1: she'd be like, oh you're leaving, Oh no bye kind 652 00:28:27,024 --> 00:28:29,144 Speaker 1: of thing, and then as soon as they lead, they're like, 653 00:28:29,144 --> 00:28:31,904 Speaker 1: Gwyneth would do her signature vomit face, and I was like, what, 654 00:28:32,064 --> 00:28:35,064 Speaker 1: She's still doing that in her fifties, which is honestly 655 00:28:35,224 --> 00:28:38,144 Speaker 1: iconic behavior. So apparently she would call Mini Driver an 656 00:28:38,144 --> 00:28:40,264 Speaker 1: air kiss friend, like someone that she would air kiss 657 00:28:40,264 --> 00:28:43,344 Speaker 1: but would never engage with, and would make the vomit 658 00:28:43,384 --> 00:28:45,024 Speaker 1: face behind her every time she talk. 659 00:28:45,144 --> 00:28:47,584 Speaker 2: Okay, So I just want to clarify because I feel 660 00:28:47,584 --> 00:28:51,904 Speaker 2: like we've been quite scathy. Is Amy O'Dell telling a 661 00:28:52,144 --> 00:28:56,384 Speaker 2: true story on this? Is this a takedown? 662 00:28:56,584 --> 00:28:56,704 Speaker 1: Like? 663 00:28:56,944 --> 00:28:59,184 Speaker 4: Is this an honest representation? 664 00:28:59,504 --> 00:29:02,304 Speaker 1: Very fair. I didn't end the book disliking Gwyneth. I 665 00:29:02,384 --> 00:29:04,904 Speaker 1: left finished the book terrified of her, But I also 666 00:29:04,904 --> 00:29:07,864 Speaker 1: finished the book like she's just an interesting person. Absolutely, 667 00:29:07,904 --> 00:29:09,344 Speaker 1: But it was so funny because like in the Mini 668 00:29:09,424 --> 00:29:12,104 Speaker 1: Driver part, the point where he broke up, where she 669 00:29:12,144 --> 00:29:14,704 Speaker 1: broke up with Matt Damon was kind of orchestrated by 670 00:29:15,184 --> 00:29:17,664 Speaker 1: Gwyneth because Matt wanted to break up with her, and 671 00:29:17,704 --> 00:29:19,824 Speaker 1: so Minnie left the house that day and came back, 672 00:29:19,864 --> 00:29:22,304 Speaker 1: and so she got mugged. So Matt had comforted her 673 00:29:22,384 --> 00:29:24,864 Speaker 1: and gens like, she's lying, she didn't get mugged, and 674 00:29:24,904 --> 00:29:27,464 Speaker 1: like then made ben Affleck agree with her. And then 675 00:29:27,504 --> 00:29:30,064 Speaker 1: the next day she said she got mugged again, and 676 00:29:30,144 --> 00:29:36,144 Speaker 1: Courtne's like, sorry, absolutely lying, and then that relationship broke down. 677 00:29:36,184 --> 00:29:38,704 Speaker 1: They've never spoken since, And I just kind of think 678 00:29:38,704 --> 00:29:40,904 Speaker 1: it's funny that there's this line from like that behavior 679 00:29:41,024 --> 00:29:43,464 Speaker 1: through to kind of like the end behavior of her now. 680 00:29:43,664 --> 00:29:45,544 Speaker 1: But the book finishes on this note where it's like 681 00:29:45,624 --> 00:29:49,344 Speaker 1: she's married now to Brad Foulchek. Apparently they're very happy. 682 00:29:49,824 --> 00:29:52,944 Speaker 1: There was an insinuation that she was with Brad at 683 00:29:52,944 --> 00:29:54,704 Speaker 1: the same time she broke up with Chris Muttin. But 684 00:29:54,744 --> 00:29:56,824 Speaker 1: it's really interesting because that's the time where Amy O'Dell 685 00:29:56,904 --> 00:29:59,824 Speaker 1: jumps in and says, I couldn't find anyone to verify 686 00:29:59,944 --> 00:30:00,464 Speaker 1: that rumor. 687 00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:04,144 Speaker 2: Okay, So because I feel like we're gonna run out 688 00:30:04,184 --> 00:30:04,544 Speaker 2: of time. 689 00:30:05,504 --> 00:30:09,784 Speaker 4: Out of five jade eggs. 690 00:30:09,184 --> 00:30:13,024 Speaker 2: What do you give the Gwyneth Paltrow biography. 691 00:30:13,584 --> 00:30:17,424 Speaker 1: Look maybe four four if you're already interested in her 692 00:30:17,904 --> 00:30:19,544 Speaker 1: to a certain extent. If you're not interested in her, 693 00:30:19,624 --> 00:30:21,624 Speaker 1: you won't care about this book. If there's an interest 694 00:30:21,664 --> 00:30:22,744 Speaker 1: in her in some way. 695 00:30:22,784 --> 00:30:23,544 Speaker 3: This is a good read. 696 00:30:23,904 --> 00:30:25,624 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm definitely going to read it. I'm going to 697 00:30:25,664 --> 00:30:26,104 Speaker 4: finish it. 698 00:30:26,184 --> 00:30:28,464 Speaker 2: I've only been sort of skimming it, and I just 699 00:30:28,544 --> 00:30:31,504 Speaker 2: didn't want you to give away everything. But there's so 700 00:30:31,624 --> 00:30:34,464 Speaker 2: many great stories in there. I definitely want to know 701 00:30:34,504 --> 00:30:38,984 Speaker 2: more about Chris. And yeah, absolutely fascinating and well done 702 00:30:39,544 --> 00:30:43,224 Speaker 2: Laura for power reading this book and the Gwyneth biography 703 00:30:43,344 --> 00:30:47,664 Speaker 2: is available now, and yeah, tell us. 704 00:30:47,584 --> 00:30:49,384 Speaker 4: Your thoughts well. 705 00:30:49,424 --> 00:30:51,344 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to this Spill today, 706 00:30:51,384 --> 00:30:54,064 Speaker 2: and a very special thank you to Laura for her 707 00:30:54,304 --> 00:30:59,024 Speaker 2: deep dive into Gwyneth's biography. Do not forget to follow 708 00:30:59,184 --> 00:31:02,264 Speaker 2: this Spill on Instagram and TikTok, and also make sure 709 00:31:02,304 --> 00:31:04,144 Speaker 2: you check out Morning Tea which is at eight am 710 00:31:04,184 --> 00:31:07,184 Speaker 2: and then you'll see us at three pm. 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