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Speaker 2: On Hey, I'm Taylor Strado. This is Mumma Mer's twice

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Speaker 2: daily news podcast. The Quickie HBO has announced the young

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Speaker 2: is already facing backlash. Plus, could workplace gossip actually been

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Speaker 2: good for your career? Before we get there, here's Clem

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Speaker 2: Murphy with the latest from the Quickie newsroom for Thursday

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Speaker 2: May twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Sean Diddy Combs has lost a bid for

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Speaker 1: a mistrial after his lawyers argued the prosecutors were improperly

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Speaker 1: including racketeering and sex trafficking. Last week, the rapper known

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Speaker 1: Combs had learned that Cardi was in a romantic relationship

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Speaker 1: with his on again offer girlfriend, Cassie Ventura. A lawyer

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Speaker 1: for Combs said that an Arson investigator who looked into

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Speaker 1: lawyer's requests from a mistrial, saying there was absolutely no

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Speaker 1: shape or form. Meanwhile, Ventura, just days after giving her

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Speaker 1: time with Combs, has given birth to her third baby,

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Speaker 1: a little boy. The jury in the deadly mushroom lunch

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Speaker 1: a week after the deadly lunch. Andrew Tate and his

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Speaker 1: brother Tristan are facing eleven criminal charges in the UK,

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Speaker 1: the charges against Andrew Tate relating to one complainant before

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Speaker 1: an extradition warrant was issued last year to bring him

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Speaker 1: His brother Tristan is facing ten charges from rape and

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Speaker 1: the British courts, saying the criminal matters in Romania must

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Speaker 1: Despite the Liberals and Nationals making up and re establishing

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Speaker 1: the coalition yesterday, their climate policy still remains undecided. While

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Speaker 1: National leader David Little Proud as they announced the Shadow Cabinet,

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Speaker 1: Yet yesterday, uncertainty remains over the coalition's commitment to net

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Speaker 1: opposition from National's colleagues, including Barnaby Joyce, who claimed net

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Speaker 1: zero was atrocious for the nation. The Shadow Cabinet announcement

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Speaker 1: yesterday saw Victorian Senator Jane Hume, who oversaw the Liberal's

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Speaker 1: to key economic portfolios. Liberal Deputy Ted O'Brien will become

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Speaker 1: Thanks Claire.

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Speaker 2: Next, a new generation of Hogwarts is here. HBO has

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Speaker 2: But the series, set to begin filming this summer, has

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Speaker 3: What do we know about these three young actors who'll

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Speaker 4: What I think is really great about this casting is

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Speaker 4: Harry Potter films come out. We didn't know who they were.

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Speaker 4: So Dominic McLaughlin will play Harry Potter, Arabella Stanton will

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Speaker 4: The one thing that has happened already, however, is that

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Speaker 4: I think it's a mix of both. I think there's

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Speaker 4: like it. But as an adaptation, there's been a million

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Speaker 2: So when we say it's not cast the same, though,

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Speaker 2: there are actually differences there as well, between those books,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it's just the film. It is just the

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Speaker 4: He's a phenomenal actor, like he's done the Outrun, He's

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Speaker 4: done I may destroy you. He's going to do an

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Speaker 4: amazing job of playing Snape, but horrible people immediately reacted

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit ironic, right, Tina, Because the whole

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Speaker 2: we've included those others, the othering, the whole essence of

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Speaker 4: They're not happy, and it is, like I have to say,

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Speaker 4: when you look at the whole point of this was about,

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Speaker 4: So by making it a TV show, you've got more

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Speaker 4: But I think obviously on the other hand, there's so

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Speaker 4: it's probably a little upsetting that it sounds like she's

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Speaker 4: I think it's really disappointing to a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: We've all been taught that workplace gossip is bad, but

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Speaker 2: what if it's actually essential for your career. In the

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Speaker 3: Good for you.

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Speaker 5: From an evolutionary perspective, gossip is partly to thank for

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Speaker 5: So basically it's the original LinkedIn. So, Michelle, if you

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Speaker 3: But she talks a lot.

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Speaker 3: And that in a way is actually gossip.

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Speaker 5: Like I'm encouraging people to gossip because they're getting information

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Speaker 6: Maybe gossiping just needs a bit of a rebrand. I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're right, Michelle in the rebrand thing.

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Speaker 2: should listen to that full episode of BEZ. I'll link

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