1 00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:13,215 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Good morning, I'm Claire 2 00:00:13,295 --> 00:00:16,415 Speaker 1: Murphy with your latest from the Quickie Newsroom. Thursday, February twelve. 3 00:00:16,735 --> 00:00:19,614 Speaker 1: Liberal MP Angus Taylor has finally pulled the trigger on 4 00:00:19,735 --> 00:00:23,055 Speaker 1: resigning from the shadow cabinet, signaling an imminent leadership spill 5 00:00:23,095 --> 00:00:26,415 Speaker 1: against Susan Lee. Mister Taylor resigned last night, bringing an 6 00:00:26,535 --> 00:00:29,335 Speaker 1: end to weeks of mounting speculation that he would roll 7 00:00:29,375 --> 00:00:32,175 Speaker 1: the party's first female leader, but he's still to confirm 8 00:00:32,214 --> 00:00:34,934 Speaker 1: whether he will be challenging Lee for the position. For 9 00:00:35,015 --> 00:00:37,254 Speaker 1: more on this story, Taylor Strano has the latest from 10 00:00:37,255 --> 00:00:40,575 Speaker 1: Canberra with Amy Romikus, chief political analyst at the Australia 11 00:00:40,654 --> 00:00:43,375 Speaker 1: Institute and contributing editor at the New Daily. 12 00:00:43,854 --> 00:00:48,095 Speaker 2: Overnight, Angus Taylor resigns from shadow cabinet, but he hasn't 13 00:00:48,175 --> 00:00:52,574 Speaker 2: yet called a leadership challenge to Susan Lee. Amy, what's 14 00:00:52,614 --> 00:00:53,215 Speaker 2: going on here? 15 00:00:54,535 --> 00:00:56,975 Speaker 3: I wish I could tell you what's going on. I 16 00:00:57,015 --> 00:01:00,135 Speaker 3: think basically you can say that Angus Taylor was backed 17 00:01:00,175 --> 00:01:05,175 Speaker 3: into a corner. Susan Lee's supporters yesterday were running around 18 00:01:05,615 --> 00:01:09,855 Speaker 3: using Angus Taylor of Tarco, which comes from the Donald 19 00:01:09,975 --> 00:01:13,735 Speaker 3: Trump makes big threats and never follows through, so Taylor 20 00:01:13,815 --> 00:01:18,695 Speaker 3: always chickens out because he has been making these threats 21 00:01:18,735 --> 00:01:20,895 Speaker 3: that he's going to challenge with the leadership. This has 22 00:01:20,935 --> 00:01:25,295 Speaker 3: been going on for months and nothing ever happens. So 23 00:01:26,095 --> 00:01:29,695 Speaker 3: what was going to happen was Susan Lee was expected 24 00:01:29,775 --> 00:01:33,895 Speaker 3: to force some sort of spill on Taylor, just to 25 00:01:33,935 --> 00:01:36,575 Speaker 3: try it and knock it all off. And the reason 26 00:01:36,615 --> 00:01:39,774 Speaker 3: for that is that while Parliament is sitting at the moment, 27 00:01:40,095 --> 00:01:43,775 Speaker 3: the Senate isn't sitting. It's Senate estimates, which means that 28 00:01:43,895 --> 00:01:48,055 Speaker 3: not all the Senators are in Canberra, and Angus Taylor 29 00:01:48,255 --> 00:01:51,775 Speaker 3: relies on quite a few votes in the Senate in 30 00:01:51,855 --> 00:01:54,935 Speaker 3: terms of making up his numbers. So if not all 31 00:01:54,935 --> 00:01:58,455 Speaker 3: the senators were in Canberra when you called a leadership spill, 32 00:01:58,695 --> 00:02:03,055 Speaker 3: then Angus Taylor doesn't have the numbers. So he waited 33 00:02:03,215 --> 00:02:07,455 Speaker 3: until the very last moment, staff to seven o'clock on 34 00:02:08,415 --> 00:02:12,454 Speaker 3: Wednesday night to go to Susan Lee's office to resign 35 00:02:12,975 --> 00:02:17,095 Speaker 3: from the shadow front bench. But he didn't say he 36 00:02:17,255 --> 00:02:20,495 Speaker 3: was going to challenge. He just came out and spoke 37 00:02:20,535 --> 00:02:23,935 Speaker 3: to journalists about how Susan Lee was not the right leader, 38 00:02:24,055 --> 00:02:27,495 Speaker 3: how the Liberals were in a terrible place and something 39 00:02:27,535 --> 00:02:30,975 Speaker 3: needed to happen, But he didn't actually say he was 40 00:02:31,015 --> 00:02:34,935 Speaker 3: going to challenge or what it was that needed to happen. 41 00:02:35,415 --> 00:02:38,895 Speaker 2: Okay, so we do know that from a conversation between 42 00:02:38,935 --> 00:02:41,295 Speaker 2: some men in a closed door room last week, that 43 00:02:41,335 --> 00:02:44,855 Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty will not challenge for the leadership because he 44 00:02:44,935 --> 00:02:48,815 Speaker 2: didn't have the numbers. Is this now the next step 45 00:02:49,015 --> 00:02:53,295 Speaker 2: in if Angus Taylor does have the numbers, he will challenge. 46 00:02:53,335 --> 00:02:56,415 Speaker 2: Maybe he's picked up some of those Hasty supporters. 47 00:02:56,215 --> 00:02:58,575 Speaker 3: He kind of has to challenge. He sort of has 48 00:02:58,695 --> 00:03:03,415 Speaker 3: no choice. And Angus Taylor does have Andrew Hasty's number now. 49 00:03:03,655 --> 00:03:07,255 Speaker 3: So basically the National which is one of the conservative 50 00:03:07,295 --> 00:03:11,135 Speaker 3: factions within the Liberal Party, a swinging behind Angus Taylor. 51 00:03:11,295 --> 00:03:14,135 Speaker 3: So at the moment it's sort of anyone but Susan 52 00:03:14,215 --> 00:03:18,855 Speaker 3: Lee for them, and Angus Taylor is the strongest candidate. 53 00:03:19,455 --> 00:03:22,295 Speaker 3: Angus Taylor still has to wait, though, for the senators 54 00:03:22,335 --> 00:03:26,095 Speaker 3: to arrive in Canberra in order to be able to 55 00:03:26,575 --> 00:03:29,575 Speaker 3: ensure that he's even close to making up the numbers. 56 00:03:29,895 --> 00:03:32,455 Speaker 3: And the thing with leadership spills is that you never 57 00:03:32,615 --> 00:03:36,855 Speaker 3: actually know that you do have the numbers until people 58 00:03:36,855 --> 00:03:41,255 Speaker 3: are writing down the names on that ballot back in May, 59 00:03:41,375 --> 00:03:44,135 Speaker 3: which was only nine months ago, when the Liberals elected 60 00:03:44,175 --> 00:03:48,215 Speaker 3: their first female leader. She only got over the line 61 00:03:48,295 --> 00:03:51,095 Speaker 3: by a couple of folks. Was the party room has 62 00:03:51,175 --> 00:03:55,295 Speaker 3: always been split fifty to fifty, and so for Angus 63 00:03:55,335 --> 00:03:59,215 Speaker 3: Taylor to win this, he needs to have won over 64 00:03:59,735 --> 00:04:03,935 Speaker 3: at least one or two of Susan Lee's supporters. He 65 00:04:04,135 --> 00:04:08,375 Speaker 3: is helped out by that voting bloc, but he does 66 00:04:08,575 --> 00:04:11,855 Speaker 3: need to have convinced, you know, a moderate or a 67 00:04:11,855 --> 00:04:15,895 Speaker 3: semi moderate, that he a leadership change is the best 68 00:04:16,094 --> 00:04:18,175 Speaker 3: chance for the Liberals moving forward. 69 00:04:18,495 --> 00:04:21,015 Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about Susan Lee. If you are the 70 00:04:21,175 --> 00:04:24,534 Speaker 2: current sitting opposition leader, what did last night look like 71 00:04:24,615 --> 00:04:24,935 Speaker 2: for her? 72 00:04:25,415 --> 00:04:28,175 Speaker 3: Last night looked like that you had a meeting with 73 00:04:28,255 --> 00:04:32,295 Speaker 3: the Israeli president, a private meeting with some of your 74 00:04:32,375 --> 00:04:36,495 Speaker 3: senior members of your team. Then you walked back to 75 00:04:36,695 --> 00:04:40,854 Speaker 3: your office and sat down and waited to see whether 76 00:04:41,055 --> 00:04:44,535 Speaker 3: the man seventy meters down the hallway from you was 77 00:04:44,655 --> 00:04:48,615 Speaker 3: going to come into your office and resign from his 78 00:04:48,735 --> 00:04:52,215 Speaker 3: job on your shadow front bench. So it was kind 79 00:04:52,215 --> 00:04:55,415 Speaker 3: of a fascical scene. There was a bunch of journalists 80 00:04:55,415 --> 00:04:59,175 Speaker 3: in the press gallery standing in the opposition courtyard, just 81 00:04:59,335 --> 00:05:03,214 Speaker 3: waiting to see if Angus Taylor would walk down the hallway. 82 00:05:03,775 --> 00:05:06,335 Speaker 3: So it was essentially just you know, people staring at 83 00:05:06,375 --> 00:05:09,815 Speaker 3: a closed door for quite some time. That he did 84 00:05:09,855 --> 00:05:13,215 Speaker 3: walk down, they had a short meeting and that he 85 00:05:13,255 --> 00:05:16,415 Speaker 3: walked out into the courtyard and said I'm going to resign. 86 00:05:16,935 --> 00:05:19,895 Speaker 3: So for Susan Lee, that would have meant for her 87 00:05:20,775 --> 00:05:24,335 Speaker 3: just basically hitting go on whatever the contingency plan is 88 00:05:24,695 --> 00:05:27,735 Speaker 3: to try and maintain the leadership. And so even if 89 00:05:27,735 --> 00:05:30,855 Speaker 3: she survives this spill, and it's not you know, it's 90 00:05:30,895 --> 00:05:33,415 Speaker 3: not certain that she will, it doesn't mean that there's 91 00:05:33,455 --> 00:05:36,375 Speaker 3: not going to be another one. If she survives the spill, 92 00:05:36,895 --> 00:05:41,695 Speaker 3: the leadership question is still not answered because Angus Taylor 93 00:05:41,775 --> 00:05:45,935 Speaker 3: will have shown just how many people are not happy 94 00:05:46,055 --> 00:05:49,655 Speaker 3: with her leadership. And it's really hard for a wounded 95 00:05:49,735 --> 00:05:53,214 Speaker 3: leader to be able to keep going after you've had 96 00:05:53,335 --> 00:05:55,614 Speaker 3: this sort of attack on your leadership. 97 00:05:56,175 --> 00:05:59,695 Speaker 2: It's interesting, amy because as Angus Taylor resigned last night, 98 00:05:59,935 --> 00:06:02,935 Speaker 2: he name checked Susan Lee. He called her out directly 99 00:06:03,095 --> 00:06:07,214 Speaker 2: as she's not in the position to lead the liberal pivot. 100 00:06:07,495 --> 00:06:09,495 Speaker 2: The Libs are actually in the worst position they've been 101 00:06:09,495 --> 00:06:14,375 Speaker 2: in since the nineteen forties. Now it's not only about gender, 102 00:06:15,055 --> 00:06:18,015 Speaker 2: but what are the optics of oursting your first female 103 00:06:18,095 --> 00:06:19,375 Speaker 2: leader from the Liberal Party? 104 00:06:19,575 --> 00:06:24,375 Speaker 3: Oh, they're horrible, and Labor has been using that for 105 00:06:24,455 --> 00:06:27,695 Speaker 3: the last couple of months in the parliament. Anthony Albanesi 106 00:06:27,815 --> 00:06:32,094 Speaker 3: actually defended Susan Lee against a misogynistic op ed in 107 00:06:32,375 --> 00:06:36,575 Speaker 3: one of the Nation's publications last week in parliament, and 108 00:06:36,615 --> 00:06:39,975 Speaker 3: that was part of Labour's strategy of saying like, you 109 00:06:40,055 --> 00:06:43,414 Speaker 3: are about to oust your first female leader, and we 110 00:06:43,575 --> 00:06:46,935 Speaker 3: are going to attack you for being misogynistic for doing that. 111 00:06:47,455 --> 00:06:49,614 Speaker 3: And you started to see that in some of Susan 112 00:06:49,695 --> 00:06:53,295 Speaker 3: Lee's supporters, like Andrew Bragg, who was openly coming out 113 00:06:53,335 --> 00:06:55,935 Speaker 3: and saying it is not a good look for us 114 00:06:55,975 --> 00:06:59,575 Speaker 3: to be getting rid of our first female leader, particularly 115 00:06:59,615 --> 00:07:03,175 Speaker 3: since the Liberal Party struggles to win women voters, It 116 00:07:03,295 --> 00:07:06,255 Speaker 3: struggles to win younger voters, and for one of the 117 00:07:06,295 --> 00:07:10,055 Speaker 3: reasons that people say that they don't feel comfortable voting 118 00:07:10,055 --> 00:07:13,135 Speaker 3: for the Liberal Party is because of their track record 119 00:07:13,295 --> 00:07:17,735 Speaker 3: on women. They still don't have quotas, they still don't have, 120 00:07:18,055 --> 00:07:22,095 Speaker 3: you know, any sort of formal institutions in place to 121 00:07:22,335 --> 00:07:26,615 Speaker 3: encourage women leadership. And it always seems with the Liberal Party, 122 00:07:26,895 --> 00:07:29,775 Speaker 3: from Julie Bishop to a whole bunch of other women 123 00:07:29,815 --> 00:07:33,375 Speaker 3: who have risen to senior positions, that there is that 124 00:07:33,415 --> 00:07:36,975 Speaker 3: glass ceiling there for the Liberal Party. Now you're right, 125 00:07:37,055 --> 00:07:40,815 Speaker 3: it's not only gender when it comes to Susan Lee. 126 00:07:40,855 --> 00:07:44,255 Speaker 3: The Liberals don't actually have a great talent pool. And 127 00:07:44,415 --> 00:07:47,735 Speaker 3: part of that has been by design from previous leaders 128 00:07:47,775 --> 00:07:50,415 Speaker 3: who have done everything that they can to knock off 129 00:07:50,495 --> 00:07:54,295 Speaker 3: any potential challenger, going all the way back to John Howard. 130 00:07:55,255 --> 00:07:57,895 Speaker 3: You know, she hasn't had authority over the party room, 131 00:07:57,975 --> 00:08:01,335 Speaker 3: she hasn't had a policy platform, she hasn't had any 132 00:08:01,375 --> 00:08:04,615 Speaker 3: sort of principles that she's stuck to. Susan Lee has 133 00:08:04,735 --> 00:08:08,175 Speaker 3: has switched up a lot of her previous positions in 134 00:08:08,295 --> 00:08:12,055 Speaker 3: order to get power, and then, once in power, has 135 00:08:12,095 --> 00:08:14,575 Speaker 3: been unable to sort of land on any sort of 136 00:08:14,615 --> 00:08:18,215 Speaker 3: authoritative position of how the Liberal Party would move forward. 137 00:08:18,735 --> 00:08:20,655 Speaker 3: And in saying that it's not all her fault, they 138 00:08:20,695 --> 00:08:25,135 Speaker 3: did experience the biggest loss in the modern Liberal Party, 139 00:08:26,215 --> 00:08:29,215 Speaker 3: and that wasn't her fault. Peter Dutton was leading the party, 140 00:08:29,255 --> 00:08:31,695 Speaker 3: then Scott Morrison was leading it, when they had their 141 00:08:32,334 --> 00:08:35,655 Speaker 3: other giant loss, and they haven't been able to move 142 00:08:35,694 --> 00:08:39,575 Speaker 3: forward from those losses. They haven't had a policy direction 143 00:08:40,095 --> 00:08:43,575 Speaker 3: for well over three or so years, or at least 144 00:08:43,615 --> 00:08:46,535 Speaker 3: not one that people have wanted, and they haven't had 145 00:08:46,575 --> 00:08:50,095 Speaker 3: a cohesive party room. The Liberal Party is so split 146 00:08:50,255 --> 00:08:53,095 Speaker 3: in terms of which direction it goes in. Does it 147 00:08:53,135 --> 00:08:56,175 Speaker 3: become even more conservative and go further to the right, 148 00:08:56,335 --> 00:08:59,855 Speaker 3: does it try and regrain that center right middle position. 149 00:09:00,215 --> 00:09:02,895 Speaker 3: It's been unable to decide how to do that, and 150 00:09:02,975 --> 00:09:05,935 Speaker 3: Susan Lee hasn't had a lot of clean air in 151 00:09:06,015 --> 00:09:08,015 Speaker 3: order to be able to push that forward. But at 152 00:09:08,054 --> 00:09:11,695 Speaker 3: the same time, she hasn't done anything to try and say, hey, guys, 153 00:09:11,815 --> 00:09:13,775 Speaker 3: this is exactly what we're going to do here. 154 00:09:13,895 --> 00:09:17,574 Speaker 2: So I guess internally, the question for the Liberals today 155 00:09:17,695 --> 00:09:21,015 Speaker 2: and the rest of this weekend is is Angus Taylor 156 00:09:21,054 --> 00:09:23,575 Speaker 2: the person to get us back on track and they'll 157 00:09:23,615 --> 00:09:26,054 Speaker 2: need to reconcile with that. But amy, for those of 158 00:09:26,135 --> 00:09:29,175 Speaker 2: us watching at home, what kind of happens next in 159 00:09:29,215 --> 00:09:32,574 Speaker 2: this process? I mean, Australian politics loves the leadership spill, 160 00:09:32,655 --> 00:09:34,334 Speaker 2: but just remind us, so what. 161 00:09:34,335 --> 00:09:36,655 Speaker 3: Happens next is that we have to have a party 162 00:09:36,735 --> 00:09:39,455 Speaker 3: room meeting and Angus Taylor would like that to be 163 00:09:39,575 --> 00:09:42,255 Speaker 3: on Friday because he wants as much time as the 164 00:09:42,415 --> 00:09:46,735 Speaker 3: senators to arrive as possible, but Susan Lee is well 165 00:09:46,775 --> 00:09:49,895 Speaker 3: within her rights to try and call it for Thursday, 166 00:09:49,935 --> 00:09:54,295 Speaker 3: for today, and so once that party room meeting is declared, 167 00:09:54,375 --> 00:09:57,575 Speaker 3: there will be a formal spill motion, which means that 168 00:09:57,655 --> 00:10:01,695 Speaker 3: somebody stands up, moves emotion and says, you know, basically, 169 00:10:01,695 --> 00:10:04,495 Speaker 3: we want to sack you, Susan Lee, or we want 170 00:10:04,535 --> 00:10:06,735 Speaker 3: to open up the lead a ship if you're trying 171 00:10:06,775 --> 00:10:10,655 Speaker 3: to take an offensive position there. And then people write 172 00:10:10,695 --> 00:10:13,855 Speaker 3: down little names on a piece of paper and count 173 00:10:13,895 --> 00:10:17,615 Speaker 3: up who exactly is going to vote for who, So 174 00:10:18,095 --> 00:10:21,855 Speaker 3: you'll probably have a good idea of who is controlling 175 00:10:22,295 --> 00:10:25,855 Speaker 3: this section by if the party room meeting is today 176 00:10:26,135 --> 00:10:30,015 Speaker 3: or if it's tomorrow, And if Angus Taylor manages to 177 00:10:30,095 --> 00:10:33,334 Speaker 3: get his party room meeting on the Friday, you can 178 00:10:33,335 --> 00:10:36,775 Speaker 3: be pretty assured that he is very confident that he 179 00:10:36,855 --> 00:10:40,655 Speaker 3: has the numbers. If it is called on the Thursday, 180 00:10:40,895 --> 00:10:44,135 Speaker 3: it's a preemptive strike from Susan Lee and her supporters 181 00:10:44,455 --> 00:10:48,615 Speaker 3: to try and say, okay, let's prove that you have 182 00:10:48,655 --> 00:10:51,615 Speaker 3: the numbers of the people who are here right now. 183 00:10:51,895 --> 00:10:55,535 Speaker 3: The problem with that, though, is that will only delay 184 00:10:55,695 --> 00:10:58,655 Speaker 3: the inevitable, because the next Party room meeting will be 185 00:10:58,815 --> 00:11:02,815 Speaker 3: in March. When Parliament returns. Everyone will be here and 186 00:11:02,855 --> 00:11:06,295 Speaker 3: there is nothing stopping Angus Taylor if he's not successful 187 00:11:06,335 --> 00:11:10,295 Speaker 3: in a Thursday meeting in calling another meeting for March. 188 00:11:10,535 --> 00:11:15,455 Speaker 3: So today may not necessarily be the end of this mess, 189 00:11:15,735 --> 00:11:17,895 Speaker 3: but it will be another chapter in it. 190 00:11:18,455 --> 00:11:22,054 Speaker 1: Police powers which paved the way for a chaotic protest crackdown, 191 00:11:22,095 --> 00:11:25,455 Speaker 1: will be challenged after medics reported being pushed by officers 192 00:11:25,695 --> 00:11:29,335 Speaker 1: while attempting to treat the injured. Video footage of officers 193 00:11:29,375 --> 00:11:32,735 Speaker 1: has been circulating showing them beating, pushing and pepper spraying 194 00:11:32,775 --> 00:11:36,655 Speaker 1: people in Sydney after a protest against Israeli President Isaac 195 00:11:36,735 --> 00:11:40,015 Speaker 1: Hersog's Australian visit on Monday. The new South Wales Police 196 00:11:40,015 --> 00:11:43,934 Speaker 1: Commissioner has defended the actions, with Premier Chris Mins maintaining 197 00:11:43,935 --> 00:11:46,735 Speaker 1: that officers were put in a difficult position as they 198 00:11:46,735 --> 00:11:49,935 Speaker 1: were instructed to clear the protesters, but members of the 199 00:11:49,975 --> 00:11:52,895 Speaker 1: Green say the situation would never have devolved if the 200 00:11:52,935 --> 00:11:56,335 Speaker 1: government hadn't given the police the ability to restrict protests 201 00:11:56,615 --> 00:11:59,415 Speaker 1: and will introduce a bill to repeal those powers today. 202 00:11:59,815 --> 00:12:02,815 Speaker 1: The laws rush through Parliament after the Bondi Terra attack 203 00:12:02,935 --> 00:12:06,454 Speaker 1: allow police to make a declaration that events residents from 204 00:12:06,495 --> 00:12:11,055 Speaker 1: seeking authorization for rallies in key areas, leaving participants vulnerable 205 00:12:11,095 --> 00:12:14,175 Speaker 1: to arrest for marching through the streets or obstructing traffic 206 00:12:14,535 --> 00:12:17,815 Speaker 1: as a result. Monday's protest was a static gathering, but 207 00:12:17,855 --> 00:12:21,255 Speaker 1: when the event concluded, demonstrators, some of which only wanted 208 00:12:21,295 --> 00:12:24,175 Speaker 1: to leave, couldn't move as police tried to stop the 209 00:12:24,215 --> 00:12:27,535 Speaker 1: whole group from marching. Officers then began to pepper spray 210 00:12:27,615 --> 00:12:31,615 Speaker 1: and rush the crowd. Medics wearing identifying vests have described 211 00:12:31,615 --> 00:12:33,895 Speaker 1: how they were pushed away from treating people who were 212 00:12:33,935 --> 00:12:36,535 Speaker 1: laying on the ground, later having to treat their fellow 213 00:12:36,575 --> 00:12:38,615 Speaker 1: medics who'd been caught up in the police use of 214 00:12:38,655 --> 00:12:42,815 Speaker 1: pepper spray. Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has had to 215 00:12:42,855 --> 00:12:45,455 Speaker 1: hold back tears as he promised the country they would 216 00:12:45,495 --> 00:12:47,975 Speaker 1: get through what he's called a terrible shooting at a 217 00:12:48,015 --> 00:12:49,455 Speaker 1: high school in British Columbia. 218 00:12:49,695 --> 00:12:54,495 Speaker 3: Parents, grandparents, sisters, brothers can tumble. Orange will wake up 219 00:12:55,695 --> 00:12:56,335 Speaker 3: without someone. 220 00:12:56,375 --> 00:12:59,695 Speaker 1: We love the nation mons with you. 221 00:13:01,095 --> 00:13:02,215 Speaker 3: Canada sounds by you. 222 00:13:02,655 --> 00:13:05,655 Speaker 1: Police said the suspect, described as female in address with 223 00:13:05,735 --> 00:13:08,535 Speaker 1: brown hair, had shot dead six people at the school 224 00:13:08,615 --> 00:13:11,935 Speaker 1: in tumbler Ridge, a remote municipality with a population of 225 00:13:11,935 --> 00:13:14,975 Speaker 1: only two four hundred people in the foothills of the 226 00:13:15,054 --> 00:13:17,935 Speaker 1: Rocky Mountains. Two more people were found dead at a 227 00:13:17,935 --> 00:13:20,935 Speaker 1: residence believed to be connected to the incident, and another 228 00:13:21,015 --> 00:13:23,615 Speaker 1: person died on the way to hospital. At least two 229 00:13:23,655 --> 00:13:27,015 Speaker 1: other people were hospitalized with serious or life threatening wounds. 230 00:13:27,295 --> 00:13:29,934 Speaker 1: The suspected shooter was also found dead from what appears 231 00:13:29,935 --> 00:13:32,735 Speaker 1: to be a self inflicted injury. Police say they know 232 00:13:32,855 --> 00:13:36,015 Speaker 1: the shooter's identity, but haven't confirmed their name or gender. 233 00:13:36,415 --> 00:13:39,255 Speaker 1: Canada has stricter gun laws than the United States, but 234 00:13:39,335 --> 00:13:42,975 Speaker 1: Canadians can still own firearms with a license. The man 235 00:13:43,015 --> 00:13:45,655 Speaker 1: who was detained by police in Tucson in relation to 236 00:13:45,695 --> 00:13:48,775 Speaker 1: the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie says he doesn't know who 237 00:13:48,815 --> 00:13:51,535 Speaker 1: she is and had nothing to do with it. Carlos 238 00:13:51,535 --> 00:13:54,695 Speaker 1: Palezuelos says he was detained after a traffic stop while 239 00:13:54,735 --> 00:13:57,575 Speaker 1: he was working, saying authorities were following him so he 240 00:13:57,655 --> 00:14:00,054 Speaker 1: pulled up. He claims they didn't say much to him, 241 00:14:00,135 --> 00:14:02,615 Speaker 1: only asked what his name was before pulling him into 242 00:14:02,615 --> 00:14:05,214 Speaker 1: the police vehicle. He says that when they finally told 243 00:14:05,295 --> 00:14:08,054 Speaker 1: him and why he'd been detained, he was shocked as 244 00:14:08,095 --> 00:14:10,055 Speaker 1: he had nothing to do with it and didn't even 245 00:14:10,095 --> 00:14:13,295 Speaker 1: know who Nancy or who her famous daughter US Today 246 00:14:13,335 --> 00:14:17,615 Speaker 1: Show hosts Savannah Guthrie were. Palazuelos claims investigators didn't ask 247 00:14:17,655 --> 00:14:19,895 Speaker 1: him any questions, but they did search his car and 248 00:14:20,015 --> 00:14:23,815 Speaker 1: his home before he was finally released without charges. Nancy 249 00:14:23,815 --> 00:14:26,935 Speaker 1: Guthrie hasn't been seen since January thirty, first, when she 250 00:14:27,015 --> 00:14:29,655 Speaker 1: was dropped home by family members. The next day, when 251 00:14:29,655 --> 00:14:32,255 Speaker 1: she didn't arrive at church, the alarm was raised and 252 00:14:32,295 --> 00:14:34,855 Speaker 1: police quickly found evidence that led them to believe that 253 00:14:34,895 --> 00:14:37,975 Speaker 1: she had been taken against her will, with blood determined 254 00:14:38,015 --> 00:14:39,935 Speaker 1: to belong to the eighty four year old found on 255 00:14:39,975 --> 00:14:43,055 Speaker 1: her front porch. Images of a man wearing a balaklava 256 00:14:43,135 --> 00:14:46,495 Speaker 1: and gloves from Nancy's ring doorbell camera were released yesterday. 257 00:14:46,815 --> 00:14:49,815 Speaker 1: It's not known whether police believed mister Palasuelos was the 258 00:14:49,855 --> 00:14:53,135 Speaker 1: same man. The triple zero call made by teen hero 259 00:14:53,295 --> 00:14:56,095 Speaker 1: Austin Appleby after swimming for four hours to save his 260 00:14:56,135 --> 00:14:59,055 Speaker 1: stranded family has been released showing how calm he was 261 00:14:59,095 --> 00:15:01,655 Speaker 1: in the moment. Austin was with his mum and two 262 00:15:01,695 --> 00:15:04,655 Speaker 1: young siblings when their kayak and paddleboards got swept out 263 00:15:04,735 --> 00:15:07,415 Speaker 1: to sea. Unable to make it back to shore, Austin's 264 00:15:07,455 --> 00:15:09,455 Speaker 1: mum asked him to swim back to their gear on 265 00:15:09,495 --> 00:15:11,815 Speaker 1: the beach to call for help, a journey that saw 266 00:15:11,855 --> 00:15:14,415 Speaker 1: him abandon his kayak and life jacket over the four 267 00:15:14,455 --> 00:15:18,015 Speaker 1: hour struggle through the choppy water. Despite what he'd endured. 268 00:15:18,055 --> 00:15:20,055 Speaker 1: The audio of the call shows a cool, calm and 269 00:15:20,095 --> 00:15:23,935 Speaker 1: collected Austin telling the Triple zero operator exactly what he needed. 270 00:15:24,055 --> 00:15:28,695 Speaker 4: We got lost around about I don't know what timer was, 271 00:15:28,735 --> 00:15:31,855 Speaker 4: but it was a very long time ago, you know. 272 00:15:32,535 --> 00:15:34,975 Speaker 4: We couldn't get back to shore and mom told me 273 00:15:35,015 --> 00:15:38,695 Speaker 4: they're going back to get help, and then I haven't 274 00:15:38,695 --> 00:15:42,055 Speaker 4: seen them since that. I think they're kilometers out in 275 00:15:42,215 --> 00:15:45,575 Speaker 4: c I think we need to go find them. 276 00:15:45,615 --> 00:15:49,055 Speaker 1: Austin's family were eventually rescued after spending ten hours in 277 00:15:49,095 --> 00:15:52,175 Speaker 1: the water. Australia's best hope for a Winter Olympian to 278 00:15:52,215 --> 00:15:56,055 Speaker 1: successfully defend their title has passed, with Mogul superstar Jakara 279 00:15:56,135 --> 00:15:59,615 Speaker 1: Anthony slipping in the final at the Milan Cortina Games. 280 00:15:59,815 --> 00:16:02,535 Speaker 1: Beijing gold medalist Anthony was a favorite to go back 281 00:16:02,575 --> 00:16:05,135 Speaker 1: to back and win Australia's first medal in Italy earlier 282 00:16:05,175 --> 00:16:08,855 Speaker 1: this morning, but sadly she's become Australia's fifth Olympic champion, 283 00:16:09,015 --> 00:16:12,495 Speaker 1: unable to win successive titles. She looked a gold medal 284 00:16:12,535 --> 00:16:14,535 Speaker 1: lock in the early rounds, but in the eight skier 285 00:16:14,655 --> 00:16:18,015 Speaker 1: super final, she skidded off midway down the Lavigno course 286 00:16:18,175 --> 00:16:20,615 Speaker 1: and while she was able to complete her run, she 287 00:16:20,735 --> 00:16:23,335 Speaker 1: finished last. As shell shocked. Anthony at the bottom of 288 00:16:23,335 --> 00:16:26,215 Speaker 1: the slope said she was disappointed with the outcome, telling 289 00:16:26,335 --> 00:16:28,695 Speaker 1: Channel nine she was really proud of the skiing she'd 290 00:16:28,735 --> 00:16:30,935 Speaker 1: been able to do on the course and promising to 291 00:16:30,975 --> 00:16:31,895 Speaker 1: give it another crack. 292 00:16:32,135 --> 00:16:33,175 Speaker 2: Pretty bumm to be honest. 293 00:16:33,175 --> 00:16:35,735 Speaker 1: I definitely had what it took, but it just wasn't 294 00:16:35,775 --> 00:16:37,135 Speaker 1: my day today unfortunately. 295 00:16:37,375 --> 00:16:39,335 Speaker 3: Huh another four years time. 296 00:16:39,815 --> 00:16:41,095 Speaker 2: That's how the Olympics waxed. 297 00:16:41,255 --> 00:16:44,775 Speaker 1: Anthony's Aussie team mate Charlotte Wilson came in sixth. That's 298 00:16:44,775 --> 00:16:47,455 Speaker 1: her latest news headlines. 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