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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast Help Help You.

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Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to The Spills watch Party, where we unpacked the

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Speaker 3: biggest shows that the entire world is talking about. My

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Speaker 3: name is mansiaus Warren. I'm the executive producer of Mamma

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Speaker 3: MIA's entertainment podcast, The Spill, as well as this podcast

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Speaker 3: watch Party, and today we are talking about one of

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Speaker 3: my absolute favorite shows of all time, Emily in Paris,

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Speaker 3: and I'm joined by two fellow super fans who love

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Speaker 3: Emily as much as I do.

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Speaker 4: I am Tina Burke. I am Mama MEAs pop culture

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Speaker 4: and social editor. I am obsessed with all things entertainment

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Speaker 4: and Hollywood, and I love a girl called Emily Cooper

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Speaker 4: and anything made by Darren Starr. So I'm very excited

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Speaker 4: to be here.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Chelsea ware Mom and MIA's entertainment producer, and

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Speaker 1: like Tina, i am a fiend for anything pop culture related.

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Speaker 1: But I'm also a fashion girlie and I'm a frequent

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Speaker 1: co host on the Nothing to Wear podcast, and Emily

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Speaker 1: Paris is really my two worlds colliding, so it's one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite shows.

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Speaker 3: So the three of us are epic fangirls of this show,

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Speaker 3: and we have been spending our time binging this season

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Speaker 3: so we can get all across it to bring you

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Speaker 3: our thoughts, feelings and deep dives.

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Speaker 2: And in this.

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Speaker 3: Episode, we are going to be covering everything that happens

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Speaker 3: in the first four episodes, so there will be spoilers

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Speaker 3: if you haven't watched the first four, but we won't

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Speaker 3: go beyond that, so you're totally safe if you're only

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Speaker 3: up to ep four.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to dive.

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Speaker 3: Into everything from Emily's Italian adventure and how really different

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Speaker 3: it feels to her og Paris life, as well as

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Speaker 3: some very controversial relationships that are definitely crossing lines this season.

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Speaker 3: So we sort of start this season off seeing her

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Speaker 3: in Rome. She's starting her life there, she's trying to

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Speaker 3: get Agent Scratcho's Italian leg off the ground. And one

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Speaker 3: thing that really stood out to me is that in

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Speaker 3: season one she's obviously living that expat life as an

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Speaker 3: American in Paris, and we see all these cultural comparisons

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Speaker 3: it's the Italians via the French, the Americans, her French

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Speaker 3: colleagues who come over have a lot to say about

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Speaker 3: the Italians. Did that really stand out to you guys

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Speaker 3: in terms of I felt this real rivalry between the

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Speaker 4: I mean I was expecting it going in, considering there

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Speaker 4: was like geopolitical discourse about like Emily in Paris moving

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Speaker 4: to Rome. It was a very big deal. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: there was definitely like a vibe shift because where in

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Speaker 1: I also think the fish out of water and like

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Speaker 1: cultural clash is part of the reason we love the show,

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Speaker 1: and it's like a real pillar of the show, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of the humor and the conflict that we

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Speaker 1: see really derived from that Emily's culture clash in Paris,

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Speaker 1: and I think we needed a new chapter, a new place,

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 3: I think it really took it back to that season

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Speaker 3: so it really reminded me of the lens through which

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Speaker 3: to really push discussing business ideas because obviously they acquired

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Speaker 3: I think Emily has also encountered in France, because they

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Speaker 5: Can I do anything to help?

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Speaker 4: Oh, nothing left to do now but stir.

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Speaker 5: It smells delicious, Antonia. Can I talk to you about

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Speaker 5: a few ideas that I have, not.

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Speaker 4: What I'm making risotto?

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Speaker 2: No problem, I'll talk to your dinner.

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Speaker 1: We don't discuss business and dinner another time, relax, enjoy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. She kind of keeps learning these lessons over the

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Speaker 4: spent all that time learning how to do it in Paris,

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Speaker 4: all of these things you don't discuss at dinner, yes,

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Speaker 4: And it's because she doesn't know how business works here.

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Speaker 4: She's not used to it.

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Speaker 2: But she honestly reads some xpact guys, because I looked

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Speaker 3: It was like, so, you know, when you're doing business

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Speaker 3: in Italy, it's good to stay on non commercial topics

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Speaker 4: Eating setting, and non commercial topics in marketing or just

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's your boyfriend's mom, okay could.

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Speaker 1: I think it's particularly hard for Emily though, because she

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Speaker 1: we know notoriously she mixes business and pleasure, So how

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Speaker 4: And she's been like waiting for this meeting for ages

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Speaker 4: and suddenly they have the meeting and it's like, actually,

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Speaker 4: all right, and we ruined your shoes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's trouble hunting. Thing was ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: It's like what you mentioned there about how Emily has

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Speaker 3: gotten used to the fact that Italians start things off

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Speaker 3: with her French colleagues and they're like, oh, in France,

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Speaker 3: a very noncommittal yes in a business sense.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of an umbrella yes and we'll see where

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Speaker 5: She said, See, I mean sure, it wasn't an idea

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Speaker 2: When Italians say yes, they don't always mean it. They

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Speaker 4: No, we don't.

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Speaker 1: At least answering not give you the option of later

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Speaker 4: You start with yes, then you're stuck.

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Speaker 6: Not in Italy, they just take it back later.

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Speaker 5: Do you think Fandy will ever give us another chance?

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Speaker 4: That's so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's interesting how across cultures there are those little

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Speaker 1: nuances that you really would only know once you've lived

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Speaker 1: like in Australia when we say like yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we all know what that means. Yeah, but I can

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Speaker 1: imagine for a foreigner you would have no idea what

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Speaker 2: And I was just told the second one is there.

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Speaker 4: The one you pay attend.

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Speaker 1: That's what you go with, Yeah, no as a no

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes so much sense. Yeah, that's good advice.

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Speaker 4: The second one you pay attention to. Emily needed something

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought another thing that was interesting is we

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Speaker 3: I know Sylvie's friend who is married into royalty, lives

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Speaker 4: Broke now get money. Yeah, and there was an interesting

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Speaker 2: She is a heap of fun.

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Speaker 3: I guess the same way some men lie about their heights,

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Speaker 4: Some lie about their royal status. Yes, she was hoodwinked,

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Speaker 4: but she added so much to the Italian journey, especially

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Speaker 2: So I thought her saying that was a little bit

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Speaker 4: That's so interesting because Emily kind of obviously when she

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Speaker 4: was really interesting that our princess played by Mini Driver

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Speaker 4: was offering that lens of like it's really exclusive, you

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 2: I was, like, guys, there wasn't a lot of planning

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Speaker 1: As well, like them moving everything over and no one

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Speaker 4: That's progress.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we absolutely have to talk about the relationship

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Speaker 4: We saw this coming.

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Speaker 3: code because I wanted to clarify for myself before we

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Speaker 3: weigh in on whether or not she did break girl

439
00:18:48,394 --> 00:18:51,274
Speaker 3: code what exactly girl code is. And what I found

440
00:18:51,314 --> 00:18:54,954
Speaker 3: was that psychologists talk about unspoken social contracts, rules that

441
00:18:54,994 --> 00:18:57,674
Speaker 3: we don't write down, but we expect people close to

442
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Speaker 3: us to honor. And girl code is basically that a

443
00:19:00,554 --> 00:19:02,714
Speaker 3: lot of it's rooted in attachment theory, because a lot

444
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Speaker 3: of people see close female friendships as sort of emotional

445
00:19:06,074 --> 00:19:08,634
Speaker 3: safe havens in the case else of life. And one

446
00:19:08,634 --> 00:19:10,994
Speaker 3: thing I think that really defines whether or not you

447
00:19:11,074 --> 00:19:14,154
Speaker 3: have broken girl code is what level of friendship you

448
00:19:14,194 --> 00:19:16,914
Speaker 3: are at with that person. And with Mindy and Emily,

449
00:19:17,074 --> 00:19:18,874
Speaker 3: she is her ride or die in Paris. This is

450
00:19:18,874 --> 00:19:21,874
Speaker 3: not a casual friend. This is someone she met on

451
00:19:21,914 --> 00:19:24,313
Speaker 3: a park bench but turned into a lifelong bestie.

452
00:19:24,354 --> 00:19:25,154
Speaker 2: They live together.

453
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Speaker 3: She's been there through the chaos, the heartbreak, the career

454
00:19:27,874 --> 00:19:30,434
Speaker 3: highs and lows. I think the level of friendship really

455
00:19:30,474 --> 00:19:32,513
Speaker 3: matters here, which is why I strongly feel like she

456
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Speaker 3: has crossed the line.

457
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Speaker 2: Where do you guys sit with that?

458
00:19:35,074 --> 00:19:40,354
Speaker 1: Yeah, she crossed the line for me. I think starting

459
00:19:40,354 --> 00:19:43,273
Speaker 1: a relationship with Alfie is one thing, but the complete

460
00:19:43,394 --> 00:19:45,954
Speaker 1: lack of communication and the lying is where you get me.

461
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Speaker 1: Do I think that you could date a friend's X.

462
00:19:49,034 --> 00:19:51,353
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it, but I think it depends on

463
00:19:51,394 --> 00:19:54,274
Speaker 1: how that friend feels about that relationship at that time

464
00:19:54,354 --> 00:19:56,594
Speaker 1: and whether they care or not. And Mindy never really

465
00:19:56,634 --> 00:19:59,234
Speaker 1: had that conversation with Emily, and they proceed to lie

466
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Speaker 1: for several episodes, which I think is the problem.

467
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Speaker 4: Completely agree with you, Chelsea, I think that's going to

468
00:20:04,794 --> 00:20:07,994
Speaker 4: be the biggest question on everyone's lips does this action

469
00:20:08,474 --> 00:20:11,394
Speaker 4: potentially break girl code? I had the chance to sit

470
00:20:11,434 --> 00:20:14,274
Speaker 4: down with Lily Collins and Ashley Park to talk about

471
00:20:14,274 --> 00:20:16,754
Speaker 4: season five of Emily in Paris, which was obviously so

472
00:20:16,834 --> 00:20:18,914
Speaker 4: exciting and there were so many things that we wanted

473
00:20:18,914 --> 00:20:20,434
Speaker 4: to talk to them about, but the biggest one, of

474
00:20:20,434 --> 00:20:23,194
Speaker 4: course had to be does this action break the girl code?

475
00:20:23,274 --> 00:20:24,674
Speaker 4: And here's what they had to say about that.

476
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Speaker 5: Well, I think, you know, there's a scene where Mindy

477
00:20:28,874 --> 00:20:32,354
Speaker 5: asks Emily, like, you're cool. You guys are all okay, right,

478
00:20:32,394 --> 00:20:36,154
Speaker 5: and it's like Emily genuinely is okay. It's like at

479
00:20:36,154 --> 00:20:38,234
Speaker 5: this point Alphie is less of an ex and more

480
00:20:38,234 --> 00:20:41,754
Speaker 5: of a coworker friend, like it's not an immediate ex,

481
00:20:42,034 --> 00:20:44,834
Speaker 5: and they have a respect for each other in a

482
00:20:44,874 --> 00:20:47,513
Speaker 5: work in the workplace now, and Emily's like, cool, They're cool.

483
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Speaker 4: And so I think.

484
00:20:49,114 --> 00:20:53,394
Speaker 5: It's all about the communication. Again, no spoilers, but their

485
00:20:54,394 --> 00:20:58,634
Speaker 5: communication between Mindy and Emily is what ultimately is the

486
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Speaker 5: most hurtful, not what happens.

487
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Speaker 4: And so I think.

488
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Speaker 5: Everyone's going to have different boundaries in their relationships with

489
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Speaker 5: their friends. But I think what's key is making sure

490
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Speaker 5: that you speak with honesty, with truth, with empathy, and

491
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Speaker 5: with love and the communication.

492
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

493
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Speaker 6: And I think both of these girls in particular have

494
00:21:16,714 --> 00:21:19,234
Speaker 6: been having different kinds of identity crisis. Is as we've

495
00:21:19,234 --> 00:21:21,073
Speaker 6: seen in five seasons. The one thing that has been

496
00:21:21,114 --> 00:21:23,994
Speaker 6: steadfast is that they're each other safe place and they're

497
00:21:24,034 --> 00:21:24,793
Speaker 6: each other's.

498
00:21:24,594 --> 00:21:25,234
Speaker 2: Kind of home.

499
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Speaker 6: And I think that that's, you know, that's very It

500
00:21:28,474 --> 00:21:30,434
Speaker 6: shakes them to the core when they're not able to

501
00:21:30,434 --> 00:21:33,354
Speaker 6: be that for each other. And I actually, you know,

502
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Speaker 6: what I'll say in standby is that I think the

503
00:21:37,354 --> 00:21:41,154
Speaker 6: what's most realistic and genuine is not being perfect.

504
00:21:41,234 --> 00:21:41,394
Speaker 4: Right.

505
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Speaker 6: It's something that we've talked about that we as women

506
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Speaker 6: and also in terms of female friendships, like to have

507
00:21:46,634 --> 00:21:48,714
Speaker 6: that pressure of being perfect or else it's not a

508
00:21:48,754 --> 00:21:50,634
Speaker 6: good thing, and not a great thing is.

509
00:21:52,594 --> 00:21:53,114
Speaker 2: Not great.

510
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Speaker 6: So I think that it's really it to bring that

511
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Speaker 6: kind of realistic texture of like overcoming something together when

512
00:21:59,474 --> 00:22:00,834
Speaker 6: you felt like you had to be a part, I

513
00:22:00,874 --> 00:22:02,714
Speaker 6: think is kind of I'm really proud of.

514
00:22:02,874 --> 00:22:03,474
Speaker 1: Yeah.

515
00:22:03,594 --> 00:22:05,994
Speaker 4: So I think obviously they gave like a really nuanced

516
00:22:06,074 --> 00:22:08,354
Speaker 4: answer to that question, kind of a two part answer

517
00:22:08,394 --> 00:22:10,553
Speaker 4: as well, which touches on I think a lot of

518
00:22:10,554 --> 00:22:12,513
Speaker 4: the feelings that all three of us really took away

519
00:22:12,674 --> 00:22:15,634
Speaker 4: from watching these scenes, but in particular the scenes of

520
00:22:15,634 --> 00:22:19,074
Speaker 4: the initial kiss and everything. What Lily has described is

521
00:22:19,154 --> 00:22:20,874
Speaker 4: what you touched on Chelsea, which is like, it's not

522
00:22:20,914 --> 00:22:23,954
Speaker 4: necessarily that Emily would still have feelings for Alphie. It's

523
00:22:23,994 --> 00:22:26,714
Speaker 4: not necessarily that she would have seen the idea of

524
00:22:26,714 --> 00:22:28,474
Speaker 4: them as a couple is something that would upset her.

525
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Speaker 4: But it's more about the fact that this has now

526
00:22:30,114 --> 00:22:33,354
Speaker 4: happened in secret, and any continuation of a lie, or

527
00:22:33,434 --> 00:22:36,033
Speaker 4: of miscommunication or of like not being super clear with

528
00:22:36,074 --> 00:22:38,394
Speaker 4: each other on where it's going, that would be the

529
00:22:38,394 --> 00:22:40,033
Speaker 4: problem in the friendship, and that's going to be the

530
00:22:40,034 --> 00:22:42,514
Speaker 4: thing that brings the tension. But I really loved what

531
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Speaker 4: Ashley had to say about Mindy, which is like, we're

532
00:22:44,994 --> 00:22:47,234
Speaker 4: talking about this in terms of the characters, right, Like

533
00:22:47,274 --> 00:22:49,434
Speaker 4: we're saying, as a friend, would it break girl code?

534
00:22:49,474 --> 00:22:51,593
Speaker 4: As a friend, would you be upset if someone did this?

535
00:22:52,034 --> 00:22:54,793
Speaker 4: And will obviously inevitably see that play out in the

536
00:22:54,794 --> 00:22:57,834
Speaker 4: coming episodes, But it's also really good to include these

537
00:22:57,914 --> 00:23:00,794
Speaker 4: kinds of mistakes that women make sometimes in their lives.

538
00:23:01,194 --> 00:23:03,474
Speaker 4: And that's the really interesting thing that Ashley touched on

539
00:23:03,554 --> 00:23:06,394
Speaker 4: and it's a big conversation that has happened previously around

540
00:23:06,394 --> 00:23:09,273
Speaker 4: like Carrie Bradhat or like Miranda and Samantha and the

541
00:23:09,314 --> 00:23:11,154
Speaker 4: mistakes that they make in Sex in the City, and

542
00:23:11,194 --> 00:23:14,793
Speaker 4: how women can be unlikable sometimes women can make mistakes sometimes,

543
00:23:15,354 --> 00:23:17,114
Speaker 4: and so it's a bit of a two parter, which

544
00:23:17,154 --> 00:23:18,553
Speaker 4: is really interesting. What do you think of that.

545
00:23:19,154 --> 00:23:23,474
Speaker 1: I also love what Ashley said about seeing imperfect women

546
00:23:23,514 --> 00:23:26,033
Speaker 1: on screen and how that's really important. My only qualm

547
00:23:26,034 --> 00:23:28,674
Speaker 1: with that is I would love to see a little

548
00:23:28,674 --> 00:23:30,914
Speaker 1: bit more accountability from Mindy.

549
00:23:31,434 --> 00:23:32,834
Speaker 4: I agree women can be imperfect.

550
00:23:32,834 --> 00:23:35,874
Speaker 1: I'm a staunch supporter of Emily, Carrie, Miranda surmanth that

551
00:23:35,914 --> 00:23:37,634
Speaker 1: all these women who are imperfect, and as much as

552
00:23:37,634 --> 00:23:39,714
Speaker 1: the public love to criticize these women, I think it's

553
00:23:39,754 --> 00:23:41,793
Speaker 1: so important to see different kinds of women who make

554
00:23:41,834 --> 00:23:44,434
Speaker 1: mistakes and friendships they kind of break apart, and how

555
00:23:44,474 --> 00:23:47,114
Speaker 1: they come back together. But we haven't yet seen how

556
00:23:47,114 --> 00:23:49,553
Speaker 1: this is going to play out between Emily and Mindy.

557
00:23:49,634 --> 00:23:52,074
Speaker 1: But what was liking for me in those early days

558
00:23:52,074 --> 00:23:53,874
Speaker 1: of her getting together with Alfhi is her not having

559
00:23:53,914 --> 00:23:55,833
Speaker 1: a second thought about how Emily would feel about this

560
00:23:55,954 --> 00:23:58,474
Speaker 1: and kind of continuing this affair behind her back.

561
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Speaker 3: I think it was also interesting what they said. It

562
00:24:00,834 --> 00:24:02,994
Speaker 3: sort of echoes what we were talking about earlier that

563
00:24:03,514 --> 00:24:06,994
Speaker 3: girlhood and female friendships is considered a very safe space

564
00:24:07,114 --> 00:24:09,273
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and that is your little safe

565
00:24:09,314 --> 00:24:10,074
Speaker 3: corner in the.

566
00:24:10,114 --> 00:24:11,194
Speaker 2: Chaos of the world.

567
00:24:11,674 --> 00:24:14,874
Speaker 3: And that is really what has rocked Emily to her core,

568
00:24:15,034 --> 00:24:17,914
Speaker 3: is that that little safe corner has now been imploded

569
00:24:17,954 --> 00:24:21,074
Speaker 3: with uncertainty and something that you didn't see coming. So

570
00:24:21,194 --> 00:24:24,714
Speaker 3: I do agree that probably the issue wasn't the act itself,

571
00:24:24,794 --> 00:24:28,033
Speaker 3: but the lack of communication and I guess feeling like

572
00:24:28,034 --> 00:24:30,954
Speaker 3: you've been blindsided. There's very few things in life probably

573
00:24:31,034 --> 00:24:33,313
Speaker 3: where if you were just sat down and it was

574
00:24:33,354 --> 00:24:36,074
Speaker 3: explained to you and the feelings were all talked out,

575
00:24:36,314 --> 00:24:38,674
Speaker 3: that you would be so shaken by It often is

576
00:24:38,714 --> 00:24:41,553
Speaker 3: about the lack of transparency or the fact that something

577
00:24:41,634 --> 00:24:45,074
Speaker 3: hasn't been warned or flagged with you beforehand, especially when

578
00:24:45,074 --> 00:24:47,074
Speaker 3: it was something where there is a lot of emotional

579
00:24:47,154 --> 00:24:47,794
Speaker 3: residue there.

580
00:24:48,114 --> 00:24:51,754
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously we will see how this all plays out,

581
00:24:51,834 --> 00:24:54,194
Speaker 4: but obviously there would be there are many women in

582
00:24:54,234 --> 00:24:56,154
Speaker 4: the real world who will have experienced this in their

583
00:24:56,194 --> 00:24:59,314
Speaker 4: friendships and so it's great to show the different perspectives

584
00:24:59,354 --> 00:25:01,394
Speaker 4: on screen and for us to yet to explore this dynamic.

585
00:25:01,554 --> 00:25:03,274
Speaker 4: I have been on the record saying I didn't want

586
00:25:03,274 --> 00:25:05,594
Speaker 4: this to be how this relationship was explored, and I

587
00:25:05,674 --> 00:25:08,273
Speaker 4: stand by that. I would have for the Alphi and

588
00:25:08,314 --> 00:25:10,234
Speaker 4: Mindy thing to come about in a different way. And

589
00:25:10,234 --> 00:25:11,954
Speaker 4: that's just for me and how I choose to enjoy

590
00:25:11,954 --> 00:25:13,994
Speaker 4: this show and like what I want from it. I

591
00:25:14,034 --> 00:25:16,314
Speaker 4: still love all of these characters and I'm excited to

592
00:25:16,314 --> 00:25:18,674
Speaker 4: see what happens and where it goes. But I do

593
00:25:18,794 --> 00:25:20,874
Speaker 4: agree with you, Chelsea that I think maybe we needed

594
00:25:20,874 --> 00:25:22,874
Speaker 4: a bit more time to delve into this if we

595
00:25:22,914 --> 00:25:25,313
Speaker 4: wanted to go this route of showing this storyline, and

596
00:25:25,354 --> 00:25:27,794
Speaker 4: because the episodes, like because there's not that many of them,

597
00:25:27,834 --> 00:25:29,754
Speaker 4: it just felt like we really rushed into this thing

598
00:25:29,914 --> 00:25:32,794
Speaker 4: and it's got a bit more tension and not enough

599
00:25:32,834 --> 00:25:35,073
Speaker 4: time to show the thinking of what's going on with

600
00:25:35,114 --> 00:25:37,593
Speaker 4: Mindy and maybe the attention and detail and care that

601
00:25:37,914 --> 00:25:39,714
Speaker 4: could have been given to it. If we're going to

602
00:25:39,754 --> 00:25:41,994
Speaker 4: go into something that could maybe ruin a friendship and

603
00:25:42,034 --> 00:25:43,954
Speaker 4: how that would play out. Yeah, I completely agree.

604
00:25:43,954 --> 00:25:45,674
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of the word they've done it,

605
00:25:45,954 --> 00:25:48,074
Speaker 1: but I'm hoping that Emily and Mindy will come out

606
00:25:48,074 --> 00:25:50,234
Speaker 1: of the stronger and that you know, by the end

607
00:25:50,274 --> 00:25:52,834
Speaker 1: of the season, we'll see the dynamic duo back together

608
00:25:52,874 --> 00:25:54,793
Speaker 1: and hopefully having some difficult conversations.

609
00:25:54,954 --> 00:25:57,273
Speaker 3: Yeah, and on that Argentine and tango, because I was

610
00:25:57,274 --> 00:26:00,274
Speaker 3: a really big fan of that sort of arc seeing

611
00:26:00,314 --> 00:26:02,513
Speaker 3: Mindy have to learn this dance. I had a bit

612
00:26:02,554 --> 00:26:05,514
Speaker 3: of a rogue thought as to whether it's a metaphor

613
00:26:05,674 --> 00:26:09,234
Speaker 3: stay with me here doing the Argentine tango in private,

614
00:26:09,314 --> 00:26:12,234
Speaker 3: it's this sort of sexy secret when he picks her up,

615
00:26:12,274 --> 00:26:14,994
Speaker 3: it works so well, and then when that's taken public

616
00:26:15,154 --> 00:26:18,434
Speaker 3: on the dance competition stage, she falls flat on her face.

617
00:26:18,874 --> 00:26:21,954
Speaker 3: Is that a metaphor for when this relationship comes out,

618
00:26:22,114 --> 00:26:25,154
Speaker 3: comes to light and sees it. Yeah, and everyone finds

619
00:26:25,194 --> 00:26:26,954
Speaker 3: out that it's going to be an absolute flop and

620
00:26:26,954 --> 00:26:29,354
Speaker 3: not take off. And they maybe did quite a literal

621
00:26:29,394 --> 00:26:30,994
Speaker 3: metaphor which they liked to do in Emily in Paris

622
00:26:31,034 --> 00:26:33,234
Speaker 3: of her literally crashing and falling on her face.

623
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Speaker 4: Let's hope maybe I took it to a different play

624
00:26:36,834 --> 00:26:37,114
Speaker 4: like that.

625
00:26:37,514 --> 00:26:37,834
Speaker 1: Why not?

626
00:26:38,474 --> 00:26:38,754
Speaker 6: I don't know.

627
00:26:38,794 --> 00:26:41,834
Speaker 1: If it's a controversial opinion because famously last episode, I

628
00:26:41,954 --> 00:26:42,754
Speaker 1: was all for this.

629
00:26:43,234 --> 00:26:43,834
Speaker 4: I don't care.

630
00:26:43,954 --> 00:26:47,354
Speaker 1: I love mixing up the different couples and seeing what happens,

631
00:26:47,394 --> 00:26:50,274
Speaker 1: and I also love those two characters individually. Yeah, I

632
00:26:50,354 --> 00:26:53,714
Speaker 1: personally wasn't really a fan of the chemistry. I felt, yeah,

633
00:26:53,794 --> 00:26:56,714
Speaker 1: casing maybe was wrong. We didn't have any build up

634
00:26:57,114 --> 00:26:59,513
Speaker 1: from the first episode them having dinner and the sparks

635
00:26:59,514 --> 00:27:01,194
Speaker 1: flying didn't feel organic to me.

636
00:27:01,754 --> 00:27:06,154
Speaker 4: Even the tango I felt, oh I had to close, yeah, cringing.

637
00:27:06,354 --> 00:27:09,874
Speaker 1: So I'm shocked because I love these two actors. I

638
00:27:09,994 --> 00:27:12,513
Speaker 1: like these two characters, so you would think that putting

639
00:27:12,554 --> 00:27:14,513
Speaker 1: them together wouldn't make sense. And I think that's probably

640
00:27:14,594 --> 00:27:16,234
Speaker 1: what the producers were thinking when they did it.

641
00:27:16,434 --> 00:27:18,474
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I agree with you. I was all

642
00:27:18,514 --> 00:27:20,394
Speaker 4: for this and I was really excited about it. But

643
00:27:20,434 --> 00:27:22,553
Speaker 4: the fact that it feels kind of rushed into, Like

644
00:27:22,594 --> 00:27:24,674
Speaker 4: I think we could have done that first episode where

645
00:27:25,034 --> 00:27:26,834
Speaker 4: they go to dinner and she starts to realize that

646
00:27:26,834 --> 00:27:28,874
Speaker 4: there's a bit of a spark or something there. I

647
00:27:28,874 --> 00:27:32,274
Speaker 4: think we needed like a whole season's worth of build

648
00:27:32,354 --> 00:27:35,274
Speaker 4: up tension or pining or build up and actual conversations

649
00:27:35,274 --> 00:27:37,313
Speaker 4: with Emily or even just like a little bit more

650
00:27:37,314 --> 00:27:39,114
Speaker 4: of an attempt to discuss it with Emily or to

651
00:27:39,114 --> 00:27:43,154
Speaker 4: figure it out before diving headfirst into scandal and girl code,

652
00:27:43,154 --> 00:27:44,594
Speaker 4: and like friendship issues.

653
00:27:44,434 --> 00:27:46,714
Speaker 3: As a viewer, I think with chemistry it is also

654
00:27:46,754 --> 00:27:48,794
Speaker 3: hard to get into it when you've already seen him

655
00:27:48,914 --> 00:27:51,154
Speaker 3: develop that arc with someone else who's a main character.

656
00:27:51,514 --> 00:27:53,754
Speaker 3: I draw comparison to Gossip Girl because I used to

657
00:27:53,754 --> 00:27:56,074
Speaker 3: find it really difficult how everyone would just swap within

658
00:27:56,114 --> 00:27:58,874
Speaker 3: the friendship circle. The Dan Nate, Serena Blair of it

659
00:27:58,914 --> 00:28:01,033
Speaker 3: all really got to me, and I think.

660
00:28:01,074 --> 00:28:04,474
Speaker 4: That's just what you loved about it. You're like, really,

661
00:28:04,994 --> 00:28:06,634
Speaker 4: But I do think there was more time given to

662
00:28:06,674 --> 00:28:08,634
Speaker 4: it on that That's the thing.

663
00:28:08,634 --> 00:28:11,194
Speaker 3: There's so much emotional residue there with Alfie and Emily.

664
00:28:11,274 --> 00:28:13,474
Speaker 3: I don't even feel like there was proper closure. She

665
00:28:13,554 --> 00:28:15,273
Speaker 3: had tears in her eyes when she found out he

666
00:28:15,274 --> 00:28:17,394
Speaker 3: had a new girlfriend towards the end of last season.

667
00:28:17,594 --> 00:28:19,554
Speaker 3: So I just don't think there was enough time. And

668
00:28:19,674 --> 00:28:22,154
Speaker 3: much like Gossip Girl, this show, no one dates outside

669
00:28:22,194 --> 00:28:24,794
Speaker 3: the circle. Everyone has to just couple swapping in the circle.

670
00:28:24,794 --> 00:28:26,714
Speaker 1: It's a very incestuous friendship group.

671
00:28:26,874 --> 00:28:29,954
Speaker 2: You're in Europe, there's other men get on hine, Emily

672
00:28:30,114 --> 00:28:31,354
Speaker 2: and Mindy and everyone.

673
00:28:31,514 --> 00:28:34,074
Speaker 1: The time thing is important when it comes to Gossip Girl.

674
00:28:34,114 --> 00:28:37,234
Speaker 1: I also think all those pairings, when you really think

675
00:28:37,234 --> 00:28:39,554
Speaker 1: about it, they had chemistry.

676
00:28:39,434 --> 00:28:40,994
Speaker 4: And they had established dynamics.

677
00:28:41,074 --> 00:28:43,554
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, even Dan and Blair, which really

678
00:28:43,594 --> 00:28:44,794
Speaker 1: came out of left field.

679
00:28:44,954 --> 00:28:46,114
Speaker 2: I hate that storyline.

680
00:28:46,474 --> 00:28:47,194
Speaker 4: I love it.

681
00:28:50,034 --> 00:28:53,194
Speaker 1: A line they had common interests, even though it wasn't

682
00:28:53,234 --> 00:28:55,474
Speaker 1: really explored earlier on. Once they were put together, it

683
00:28:55,594 --> 00:28:57,954
Speaker 1: kind of made sense. I wasn't necessarily rooting for them

684
00:28:57,994 --> 00:28:59,754
Speaker 1: to be together in the end, but I think that

685
00:28:59,834 --> 00:29:02,714
Speaker 1: little chapter was a lot of fun. I enjoyed watching them,

686
00:29:02,714 --> 00:29:04,874
Speaker 1: and you really felt the chemistry between these two people,

687
00:29:04,874 --> 00:29:08,074
Speaker 1: which personally is what I feel is lacking in Mindy

688
00:29:08,154 --> 00:29:08,594
Speaker 1: and Alfie.

689
00:29:09,114 --> 00:29:10,874
Speaker 3: All Right, we spent a lot of time talking about

690
00:29:10,874 --> 00:29:12,874
Speaker 3: the other characters in this show, but after the break,

691
00:29:12,874 --> 00:29:14,954
Speaker 3: it's time to get back to our main girl, Emily

692
00:29:14,994 --> 00:29:19,314
Speaker 3: Cooper and what she's been up to this season. Okay,

693
00:29:19,314 --> 00:29:21,474
Speaker 3: so Emily has been on quite the journey in these

694
00:29:21,474 --> 00:29:23,994
Speaker 3: first four episodes. A lot has happened, and I think

695
00:29:24,034 --> 00:29:26,394
Speaker 3: we've seen a lot of character development in her go

696
00:29:26,474 --> 00:29:28,954
Speaker 3: through different things. She seems like a different Emily to

697
00:29:29,314 --> 00:29:32,314
Speaker 3: the flippant, carefree Emily of the past who run through

698
00:29:32,314 --> 00:29:33,194
Speaker 3: the world in quite.

699
00:29:32,994 --> 00:29:36,194
Speaker 2: A clueless fashion. Tells. What do you think about Emily's

700
00:29:36,274 --> 00:29:37,434
Speaker 2: arc this season so far?

701
00:29:37,954 --> 00:29:42,314
Speaker 1: They really humanize Emily this season. I think we finally

702
00:29:42,314 --> 00:29:44,514
Speaker 1: get some insight into why.

703
00:29:44,354 --> 00:29:45,634
Speaker 4: She is the way she is.

704
00:29:45,674 --> 00:29:49,434
Speaker 1: She's like a perfectionist, She's very ambitious, she has like

705
00:29:49,474 --> 00:29:52,594
Speaker 1: an inability to really switch off from work, and she

706
00:29:52,634 --> 00:29:55,674
Speaker 1: talks a little bit about her family and her parents,

707
00:29:55,714 --> 00:29:58,714
Speaker 1: feeling like good grades and a good job is really

708
00:29:58,714 --> 00:30:02,954
Speaker 1: what defines being successful and really informs her sense of self.

709
00:30:02,994 --> 00:30:04,674
Speaker 1: I think this is really the first time we've gotten

710
00:30:04,674 --> 00:30:08,354
Speaker 1: a glimpse into her life really outside of Paris and

711
00:30:08,394 --> 00:30:11,714
Speaker 1: her new experiences and why she is the way she is.

712
00:30:12,274 --> 00:30:14,994
Speaker 1: There's one scene where Luke really calls out Emily for

713
00:30:15,154 --> 00:30:17,914
Speaker 1: having intimacy issues. He talks about how like her crazy

714
00:30:17,954 --> 00:30:21,474
Speaker 1: bolt outfits are a way for her to avoid being vulnerable,

715
00:30:21,474 --> 00:30:23,394
Speaker 1: which I think is true and one of the first

716
00:30:23,434 --> 00:30:24,834
Speaker 1: times we've seen someone kind of.

717
00:30:24,754 --> 00:30:25,874
Speaker 4: Call her out for that.

718
00:30:26,394 --> 00:30:29,394
Speaker 1: And as the scenes that have gone on, the show really.

719
00:30:29,194 --> 00:30:29,914
Speaker 4: Has to evolve.

720
00:30:30,394 --> 00:30:32,474
Speaker 1: We first saw a little bit of that last season

721
00:30:32,714 --> 00:30:35,754
Speaker 1: when after she broke up with Gabrielle, she goes back

722
00:30:35,794 --> 00:30:39,114
Speaker 1: to Paris bumps into Alfie. She's very emotionally vulnerable. In

723
00:30:39,154 --> 00:30:41,994
Speaker 1: that scene, he mentions his new girlfriend who's about to meet,

724
00:30:42,314 --> 00:30:45,594
Speaker 1: and she really breaks down crying, And I remember watching

725
00:30:45,594 --> 00:30:47,514
Speaker 1: that scene feeling like that was one of the first

726
00:30:47,514 --> 00:30:51,194
Speaker 1: moments where we really saw Emily's like true emotions and

727
00:30:51,234 --> 00:30:55,274
Speaker 1: her having her really vulnerable moment. And for me personally,

728
00:30:55,394 --> 00:30:57,714
Speaker 1: I've found it a little bit difficult to connect to

729
00:30:58,034 --> 00:31:01,314
Speaker 1: Emily in the earlier seasons, maybe because she is so

730
00:31:01,474 --> 00:31:04,434
Speaker 1: shiny and polished and at a distance and we never

731
00:31:04,474 --> 00:31:07,114
Speaker 1: really see her sweat. Yeah, she's always got it together,

732
00:31:07,314 --> 00:31:10,074
Speaker 1: even when she's stressed. It's more like a comedic, humorous

733
00:31:10,074 --> 00:31:12,394
Speaker 1: moment than it is something where you're really trying to

734
00:31:12,434 --> 00:31:15,434
Speaker 1: feel for her. And now that they've established this like

735
00:31:15,594 --> 00:31:19,634
Speaker 1: high concept premise, I think now they're trying to really

736
00:31:19,674 --> 00:31:22,954
Speaker 1: deepen the relationship the audience has with this character, because

737
00:31:22,994 --> 00:31:25,794
Speaker 1: I do foresee having many more seasons where the stakes

738
00:31:25,794 --> 00:31:27,034
Speaker 1: are just a little bit higher now.

739
00:31:27,234 --> 00:31:29,234
Speaker 3: It is really interesting what you said as well about

740
00:31:29,274 --> 00:31:31,714
Speaker 3: her big bold outfits being a bit of a front

741
00:31:31,874 --> 00:31:35,114
Speaker 3: for not showing her real self and that wall between

742
00:31:35,114 --> 00:31:37,234
Speaker 3: her and the outside world, And for me, that really

743
00:31:37,314 --> 00:31:42,234
Speaker 3: draws a parallel to the first episode in Nobody Wants This,

744
00:31:42,434 --> 00:31:45,394
Speaker 3: where Joanne goes into a party, and that is something

745
00:31:45,394 --> 00:31:47,154
Speaker 3: that Noah says to her, like, you have this place

746
00:31:47,274 --> 00:31:49,554
Speaker 3: for her coat, and it's sort of like you want

747
00:31:49,554 --> 00:31:52,354
Speaker 3: to walk in and sort of have everyone's eyes beyond you.

748
00:31:52,394 --> 00:31:54,194
Speaker 3: But at the same time, that's not your real self.

749
00:31:54,234 --> 00:31:56,954
Speaker 3: It's a front for the public facing version of you.

750
00:31:57,474 --> 00:31:59,594
Speaker 3: We also did Nobody Wants This on Watch Party.

751
00:31:59,434 --> 00:32:01,754
Speaker 4: Because so go back and listen to that.

752
00:32:02,114 --> 00:32:04,194
Speaker 3: But I think Emily's similar in that way, where it

753
00:32:04,234 --> 00:32:06,914
Speaker 3: is this huge front and it's this designer, big, bold

754
00:32:07,154 --> 00:32:08,274
Speaker 3: energy that she puts out there that.

755
00:32:08,314 --> 00:32:09,394
Speaker 2: Maybe isn't her real self.

756
00:32:09,514 --> 00:32:12,754
Speaker 3: Yeah. Another notable difference for Emily this season is a

757
00:32:12,794 --> 00:32:16,154
Speaker 3: missing someone who likes to pop up pretty often throughout

758
00:32:16,194 --> 00:32:18,314
Speaker 3: the rest of the seasons, but that we haven't seen

759
00:32:18,554 --> 00:32:21,394
Speaker 3: that much so far in the first four episodes. And

760
00:32:21,434 --> 00:32:24,914
Speaker 3: that is one Chef Gabrielle, what do you think about that,

761
00:32:24,954 --> 00:32:25,834
Speaker 3: Tina one?

762
00:32:25,994 --> 00:32:28,434
Speaker 4: He looks so good, love his haircut, Thank you so

763
00:32:28,554 --> 00:32:31,914
Speaker 4: much to whoever made him do that. Love Gabrielle. But yes,

764
00:32:31,994 --> 00:32:34,674
Speaker 4: so this season he does sort of follow Emily to

765
00:32:34,794 --> 00:32:37,154
Speaker 4: Rome as we thought he might, and it's actually a

766
00:32:37,154 --> 00:32:40,914
Speaker 4: really great introductory shot, like she's leaving her office with

767
00:32:41,034 --> 00:32:47,794
Speaker 4: Marcello and then he's like behind Joe Goldberg. The framing

768
00:32:47,834 --> 00:32:49,674
Speaker 4: of the shot, I was like, that's nice, they're kissing.

769
00:32:51,674 --> 00:32:52,314
Speaker 3: What are you doing?

770
00:32:52,554 --> 00:32:54,194
Speaker 4: It was just like a man there, Why would he

771
00:32:54,274 --> 00:32:56,554
Speaker 4: be there? But like it was a beautiful shot. It

772
00:32:56,634 --> 00:32:59,434
Speaker 4: showed him. He's showed all the spectrum of human emotion

773
00:32:59,514 --> 00:33:02,394
Speaker 4: across his face of like seeing her feeling heartbroken and

774
00:33:02,514 --> 00:33:05,114
Speaker 4: she's with someone, but this time he makes the decision

775
00:33:05,314 --> 00:33:08,514
Speaker 4: not to engage and not to to go after her

776
00:33:08,554 --> 00:33:11,114
Speaker 4: and make his presence known and interrupt her happiness, which

777
00:33:11,154 --> 00:33:13,034
Speaker 4: is something that we spoke about in our first episode

778
00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:15,754
Speaker 4: about how some people feel about Gabrielle is that he's

779
00:33:15,754 --> 00:33:19,274
Speaker 4: constantly showing up and like ruining life for Emily. It's

780
00:33:19,274 --> 00:33:21,474
Speaker 4: not how I feel about him, but I understand the critiques.

781
00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:23,714
Speaker 4: What I did love was that Sylvia was the one

782
00:33:23,754 --> 00:33:26,194
Speaker 4: who saw him and like took him out to lunch

783
00:33:26,434 --> 00:33:29,674
Speaker 4: and like one reinvigorated his love of food. So that

784
00:33:29,834 --> 00:33:32,034
Speaker 4: was nice little food montage. We love that he's going

785
00:33:32,074 --> 00:33:34,234
Speaker 4: to take that back with him to Paris. But more

786
00:33:34,234 --> 00:33:36,114
Speaker 4: than that, she kind of spoke to him about Emily

787
00:33:36,154 --> 00:33:38,114
Speaker 4: and Marcello, and I think it was really lovely. She

788
00:33:38,194 --> 00:33:40,514
Speaker 4: was like, she's got life to live. Like they had

789
00:33:40,554 --> 00:33:42,634
Speaker 4: this really great conversation about like, you know, I know

790
00:33:42,634 --> 00:33:44,514
Speaker 4: that you love Emily, but like she has to get

791
00:33:44,514 --> 00:33:45,794
Speaker 4: out there, she has to date, she has to live

792
00:33:45,834 --> 00:33:47,634
Speaker 4: a life, and then she's maybe going to be the

793
00:33:47,674 --> 00:33:49,794
Speaker 4: right girl for you and we'll see how that pans out.

794
00:33:49,914 --> 00:33:51,714
Speaker 4: And he actually took that advice on board and like

795
00:33:51,794 --> 00:33:53,914
Speaker 4: went away very much so because we just didn't he

796
00:33:54,314 --> 00:33:57,354
Speaker 4: him after that, and he's been a silent character this season.

797
00:33:57,714 --> 00:33:59,874
Speaker 4: But I do feel to an extent that that is

798
00:33:59,914 --> 00:34:02,514
Speaker 4: about making sure that the audience is time to fall

799
00:34:02,554 --> 00:34:04,634
Speaker 4: in love with him again and to like miss him.

800
00:34:04,874 --> 00:34:06,914
Speaker 4: It's that whole thing absence makes the heart grow fonder,

801
00:34:07,434 --> 00:34:09,834
Speaker 4: taking him away from us so that we have the

802
00:34:09,873 --> 00:34:11,953
Speaker 4: time to see him and also see him grow up.

803
00:34:12,034 --> 00:34:12,234
Speaker 3: Right.

804
00:34:12,354 --> 00:34:14,473
Speaker 4: That's another critique that there's been of him is that

805
00:34:14,594 --> 00:34:17,634
Speaker 4: his behavior has been quite immature. Him knowing when to

806
00:34:17,674 --> 00:34:20,674
Speaker 4: walk away, knowing when not to bother her or chase

807
00:34:20,714 --> 00:34:22,954
Speaker 4: after her when she's happy, and not destroy her happiness.

808
00:34:22,994 --> 00:34:25,033
Speaker 4: It shows growth on his part, and now it gives

809
00:34:25,114 --> 00:34:25,714
Speaker 4: us a chance.

810
00:34:25,554 --> 00:34:27,393
Speaker 2: To miss him as a view er, I did feel

811
00:34:27,434 --> 00:34:28,433
Speaker 2: that need to miss him.

812
00:34:28,474 --> 00:34:33,674
Speaker 4: He's too around. I might say he's too visible presents,

813
00:34:33,754 --> 00:34:34,953
Speaker 4: but not emotionally. No.

814
00:34:35,154 --> 00:34:37,274
Speaker 1: I kind of hope moving forward as well in the

815
00:34:37,354 --> 00:34:40,074
Speaker 1: later episodes, I hope he's scarce first of all, so

816
00:34:40,194 --> 00:34:40,554
Speaker 1: we have.

817
00:34:40,594 --> 00:34:42,674
Speaker 4: Time to miss him. Yeah, but I hope we see

818
00:34:42,714 --> 00:34:44,033
Speaker 4: him do his own thing.

819
00:34:44,314 --> 00:34:44,513
Speaker 3: Yeah.

820
00:34:44,554 --> 00:34:46,994
Speaker 1: I think up until this point, Gabrielle has sort of

821
00:34:47,034 --> 00:34:50,714
Speaker 1: been just existing in the realm of that love triangle. Yeah,

822
00:34:50,794 --> 00:34:52,674
Speaker 1: it's just like a plot point in my opinion, where

823
00:34:52,674 --> 00:34:56,354
Speaker 1: he's just around in order to facilitate the romance and

824
00:34:56,434 --> 00:34:58,634
Speaker 1: the show. Where I feel like we would love him

825
00:34:58,634 --> 00:35:00,913
Speaker 1: more if we see him do his own thing, have

826
00:35:00,994 --> 00:35:03,754
Speaker 1: a little bit of growth, figure himself out before him

827
00:35:03,754 --> 00:35:05,674
Speaker 1: and Emily kind of meet again and come back together.

828
00:35:05,874 --> 00:35:08,433
Speaker 4: Yeah, so true, because especially like Emily's got her career,

829
00:35:08,554 --> 00:35:11,513
Speaker 4: Mindy's always singing, Like everyone's always doing something. We're really

830
00:35:11,514 --> 00:35:13,674
Speaker 4: on people's careers. And I know that he had his

831
00:35:13,674 --> 00:35:15,794
Speaker 4: whole Michelin star or deal, but he's also just been

832
00:35:15,834 --> 00:35:18,154
Speaker 4: like so unhappy with his restaurant. So like it'd be

833
00:35:18,234 --> 00:35:19,554
Speaker 4: nice to see a bit of change there, I.

834
00:35:19,474 --> 00:35:22,434
Speaker 3: Agree, And at the end of episode four, we basically

835
00:35:22,474 --> 00:35:25,913
Speaker 3: see that Emily's career arc in Rome has somewhat imploded.

836
00:35:26,114 --> 00:35:29,553
Speaker 3: She's done this ad campaign for Moratory, which has led

837
00:35:29,594 --> 00:35:33,114
Speaker 3: to Solitano being this sweet little local town now becoming

838
00:35:33,114 --> 00:35:33,954
Speaker 3: a tourist hot spot.

839
00:35:33,994 --> 00:35:34,993
Speaker 2: Everyone's mad at her.

840
00:35:35,354 --> 00:35:39,314
Speaker 3: They've dropped Agents Gratto as their pr representative, and basically

841
00:35:39,354 --> 00:35:41,914
Speaker 3: it's all blown up. Her chance at running the Italian

842
00:35:41,914 --> 00:35:45,274
Speaker 3: office is dashed. We have this very cute line from

843
00:35:45,394 --> 00:35:47,993
Speaker 3: Sylvie being like, I need my Emily in Paris at

844
00:35:47,994 --> 00:35:51,394
Speaker 3: the end. I mean, I have convoluted feelings about putting

845
00:35:51,514 --> 00:35:53,794
Speaker 3: the title of a show into a line of dialog

846
00:35:53,834 --> 00:35:54,473
Speaker 3: in the script, but.

847
00:35:54,594 --> 00:35:56,433
Speaker 2: I see it for Emily in Paris. I understand why

848
00:35:56,434 --> 00:35:56,913
Speaker 2: they did it.

849
00:35:57,514 --> 00:35:59,553
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys agree with this, but

850
00:35:59,594 --> 00:36:02,554
Speaker 3: from my perspective as a viewer, I do think many

851
00:36:02,554 --> 00:36:05,754
Speaker 3: people are going to think this Rome chapter was too condensed.

852
00:36:05,794 --> 00:36:09,114
Speaker 3: We've moved the whole show go to Rome new career.

853
00:36:09,234 --> 00:36:12,514
Speaker 3: It's meant to be this new opportunity that Darren Starr

854
00:36:12,594 --> 00:36:14,393
Speaker 3: kind of talked about a lot for Emily as this

855
00:36:14,434 --> 00:36:17,513
Speaker 3: big character development arc in season five, and it's now

856
00:36:17,594 --> 00:36:19,234
Speaker 3: already over four episodes in.

857
00:36:19,474 --> 00:36:21,594
Speaker 2: For me, Rome had to be a longer chapter.

858
00:36:21,714 --> 00:36:23,834
Speaker 3: We needed to see her make a local friend, We

859
00:36:23,914 --> 00:36:26,234
Speaker 3: needed to see her explore the city a little bit more.

860
00:36:26,274 --> 00:36:27,994
Speaker 2: And for me, this was too rushed. What did you

861
00:36:28,034 --> 00:36:28,834
Speaker 2: guys think about that?

862
00:36:29,034 --> 00:36:30,874
Speaker 4: I do think it was rushed. I was left feeling

863
00:36:30,914 --> 00:36:33,834
Speaker 4: a little bit like, what was this for? Who was

864
00:36:33,874 --> 00:36:36,034
Speaker 4: this for? I liked the concept of her going to Rome.

865
00:36:36,074 --> 00:36:38,154
Speaker 4: I liked them doing something different and introduced us to

866
00:36:38,234 --> 00:36:41,034
Speaker 4: other people and other places, but also not really other people.

867
00:36:41,034 --> 00:36:42,674
Speaker 4: It was just the entire team from Rome and a

868
00:36:42,674 --> 00:36:45,434
Speaker 4: few marketing people who they met with who went very nice.

869
00:36:45,794 --> 00:36:48,314
Speaker 4: Shout out to the lady from Fendy. But I do

870
00:36:48,394 --> 00:36:50,914
Speaker 4: think that this is a problem of our modern times

871
00:36:50,914 --> 00:36:53,554
Speaker 4: and our short seasons, right, Like, this is a ten

872
00:36:53,634 --> 00:36:55,714
Speaker 4: episode season, and I know the episodes are a little

873
00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:58,954
Speaker 4: bit longer, but often shows used to be like eighteen

874
00:36:59,034 --> 00:37:01,034
Speaker 4: twenty episodes. That was what Sex and the City was

875
00:37:01,074 --> 00:37:03,033
Speaker 4: for the most part, with the exception of season five.

876
00:37:03,194 --> 00:37:05,834
Speaker 4: So like, when you do lessen the amount of episodes,

877
00:37:05,874 --> 00:37:07,194
Speaker 4: you lessen the amount of time that you have to

878
00:37:07,234 --> 00:37:09,393
Speaker 4: play with a storyline. And I also think they were

879
00:37:09,394 --> 00:37:11,954
Speaker 4: probably highly aware of the fact that this is Emily

880
00:37:11,994 --> 00:37:14,594
Speaker 4: in Paris, and people like Paris and like the dynamic,

881
00:37:14,634 --> 00:37:16,154
Speaker 4: and there was only so long that they could get

882
00:37:16,154 --> 00:37:18,954
Speaker 4: away with like Alfie, we need you in Rome for

883
00:37:18,994 --> 00:37:22,234
Speaker 4: this legal contract, Mindy, please come see in Rome. And

884
00:37:22,274 --> 00:37:24,473
Speaker 4: maybe they didn't want to like split cities, but I

885
00:37:24,514 --> 00:37:26,554
Speaker 4: actually almost think that would have been better if we

886
00:37:26,674 --> 00:37:28,553
Speaker 4: had a bit of like coverage of what was going

887
00:37:28,554 --> 00:37:30,354
Speaker 4: on in Paris and coverage of what was going on

888
00:37:30,394 --> 00:37:32,274
Speaker 4: in Rome, rather than trying to shove it all into

889
00:37:32,314 --> 00:37:34,114
Speaker 4: just four episodes in Italy. What do you think?

890
00:37:34,274 --> 00:37:36,913
Speaker 1: I agree it went very quickly, but I couldn't be

891
00:37:36,954 --> 00:37:40,354
Speaker 1: happier that we're going back to Paris. The little Marcello

892
00:37:40,514 --> 00:37:43,354
Speaker 1: chapter I I'm not a fan of him, obviously, And

893
00:37:43,954 --> 00:37:45,714
Speaker 1: the feeling I got when they were in Rome was

894
00:37:45,714 --> 00:37:47,474
Speaker 1: that it was very temporary, Like you were saying, Tina,

895
00:37:47,474 --> 00:37:51,114
Speaker 1: how we're not really establishing her with any new important.

896
00:37:50,634 --> 00:37:51,553
Speaker 4: Characters in Rome.

897
00:37:51,594 --> 00:37:53,034
Speaker 1: So it never felt like this was going to be

898
00:37:53,034 --> 00:37:55,194
Speaker 1: home based or somewhere that she was going to spend

899
00:37:55,194 --> 00:37:56,074
Speaker 1: a lot of her time.

900
00:37:56,514 --> 00:37:59,234
Speaker 4: So for me, it felt like short and sweet. I'm

901
00:37:59,234 --> 00:37:59,754
Speaker 4: happy with that.

902
00:38:00,034 --> 00:38:01,993
Speaker 1: Back to Paris, back to business, you know.

903
00:38:02,354 --> 00:38:04,873
Speaker 4: I also love like the vibe of Paris. Obviously that's

904
00:38:04,874 --> 00:38:06,354
Speaker 4: the whole reason we kind of fell in love with

905
00:38:06,394 --> 00:38:08,154
Speaker 4: this show. But I all so just love like when yes,

906
00:38:08,234 --> 00:38:10,513
Speaker 4: she's got romantic drama or work drama, but I love

907
00:38:10,674 --> 00:38:12,794
Speaker 4: the consistency of when she is in Paris and it

908
00:38:12,874 --> 00:38:15,154
Speaker 4: just gets to feel like an office or friendship or

909
00:38:15,234 --> 00:38:18,114
Speaker 4: romantic drama and not also like now I'm in a

910
00:38:18,154 --> 00:38:21,114
Speaker 4: new place and this is happening and Marcello is here, Like,

911
00:38:21,554 --> 00:38:23,194
Speaker 4: you know, I just don't want him there, first of all,

912
00:38:23,234 --> 00:38:24,554
Speaker 4: and second of all, I just want to be back

913
00:38:24,554 --> 00:38:25,594
Speaker 4: in Paris. So I agree with you.

914
00:38:25,674 --> 00:38:27,314
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I view it kind of feels like we're

915
00:38:27,314 --> 00:38:27,874
Speaker 2: coming home.

916
00:38:28,514 --> 00:38:30,194
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to say that. Yeah, maybe that was

917
00:38:30,194 --> 00:38:32,554
Speaker 4: also part of it. Maybe they were like, okay, everyone's

918
00:38:32,554 --> 00:38:34,234
Speaker 4: gotten two used to Paris. We need to get them

919
00:38:34,594 --> 00:38:35,834
Speaker 4: back in love with it. Yeah.

920
00:38:35,834 --> 00:38:37,994
Speaker 3: I felt unsettled with her in Rome and I was like,

921
00:38:38,074 --> 00:38:40,074
Speaker 3: I just want her to go get a croissant. Not

922
00:38:40,114 --> 00:38:42,033
Speaker 3: that she really took that many croissants, but I wanted

923
00:38:42,074 --> 00:38:43,434
Speaker 3: to be able to exactly.

924
00:38:43,594 --> 00:38:45,354
Speaker 1: I felt like almost like a device for us to

925
00:38:45,554 --> 00:38:48,393
Speaker 1: feel like, yep, she's much more proisy and now she's

926
00:38:48,434 --> 00:38:52,634
Speaker 1: like like, Yeah, she's assimilated into life in Paris, she

927
00:38:52,674 --> 00:38:55,314
Speaker 1: has her friendship group there, She's she's really got a

928
00:38:55,354 --> 00:38:57,034
Speaker 1: life there and making us feel like this is the

929
00:38:57,074 --> 00:38:58,393
Speaker 1: journey she's been on from season one.

930
00:38:58,394 --> 00:39:00,073
Speaker 4: Now in season five, she's home.

931
00:39:00,114 --> 00:39:02,554
Speaker 3: You know, Do you guys have any thoughts on where

932
00:39:02,714 --> 00:39:04,594
Speaker 3: things may go now that she's back in Paris.

933
00:39:05,194 --> 00:39:07,274
Speaker 4: I don't want to see Marcello again, but I'm sure, sure,

934
00:39:07,314 --> 00:39:09,714
Speaker 4: right will he'll pop up. He'll find me back. I'd

935
00:39:09,754 --> 00:39:12,514
Speaker 4: really love to see Mindy and Alphie get together in

936
00:39:12,554 --> 00:39:14,674
Speaker 4: a healthy way, and I don't think that that's going to

937
00:39:14,714 --> 00:39:17,074
Speaker 4: happen either. I'd like to see some healthy friendship communication,

938
00:39:17,154 --> 00:39:18,913
Speaker 4: but I don't think we'll get that. What I do

939
00:39:18,954 --> 00:39:21,234
Speaker 4: think we'll get is this consistency of Gabrielle being out

940
00:39:21,234 --> 00:39:23,873
Speaker 4: of our lives, and I do love that only for

941
00:39:23,914 --> 00:39:26,074
Speaker 4: his growth. We know, I'm teem Gabrielle. I agree.

942
00:39:26,154 --> 00:39:28,074
Speaker 1: I think we won't see a lot of Gabrielle, which

943
00:39:28,114 --> 00:39:30,433
Speaker 1: I love. I'm already starting to miss him a little bit,

944
00:39:30,514 --> 00:39:32,674
Speaker 1: you know, and I famously despise that man.

945
00:39:33,754 --> 00:39:36,514
Speaker 4: It's worked on you, ye, you know, something's working.

946
00:39:37,074 --> 00:39:39,634
Speaker 1: I believe we're going to see a bit of back

947
00:39:39,634 --> 00:39:42,194
Speaker 1: and forth with Alfhi and Mindy. There was inevitably going

948
00:39:42,234 --> 00:39:44,234
Speaker 1: to be a fall up between her and Emily, which

949
00:39:44,234 --> 00:39:45,954
Speaker 1: will be huge, and I don't know that I love that,

950
00:39:46,074 --> 00:39:48,634
Speaker 1: because Mindy and Emily have really been this like grounding

951
00:39:48,674 --> 00:39:50,594
Speaker 1: force in the show and a real like safe haven

952
00:39:50,754 --> 00:39:54,514
Speaker 1: where while there's all this chaos going around work chaos,

953
00:39:54,754 --> 00:39:57,834
Speaker 1: chaos with boyfriends, new men, her and Mindy.

954
00:39:57,674 --> 00:39:58,873
Speaker 4: Have always been good, you know.

955
00:39:59,274 --> 00:40:01,234
Speaker 1: But I do think we're going to see some sort

956
00:40:01,234 --> 00:40:04,674
Speaker 1: of a friendship fallout, and hopefully we see Mindy and

957
00:40:04,834 --> 00:40:08,674
Speaker 1: Alphie break up. That's that's my take. I don't love

958
00:40:08,714 --> 00:40:10,834
Speaker 1: them together, so yeah, hopefully by the end of the

959
00:40:10,834 --> 00:40:11,593
Speaker 1: season they're not together.

960
00:40:11,754 --> 00:40:13,873
Speaker 3: It was probably needed for Mindy and Emily to have

961
00:40:13,914 --> 00:40:16,194
Speaker 3: this cross roads in their friendship because I feel like

962
00:40:16,234 --> 00:40:18,754
Speaker 3: they haven't had a huge testing point as of yet.

963
00:40:19,074 --> 00:40:22,074
Speaker 3: My hope is that Emily has a big next career step,

964
00:40:22,114 --> 00:40:24,433
Speaker 3: because I was really feeling from her in these first

965
00:40:24,474 --> 00:40:26,594
Speaker 3: four episodes that she's ready for that next step. She

966
00:40:26,674 --> 00:40:29,674
Speaker 3: was so excited to run the Roman office without Sylvie

967
00:40:29,714 --> 00:40:32,634
Speaker 3: hovering over her and without being monitored and supervised, and

968
00:40:32,674 --> 00:40:34,393
Speaker 3: it just felt like this push and pull. She was

969
00:40:34,394 --> 00:40:36,194
Speaker 3: really ready for that step, but it wasn't being given

970
00:40:36,234 --> 00:40:38,393
Speaker 3: to her next. So my hope for her is that

971
00:40:38,514 --> 00:40:40,354
Speaker 3: something big happens in her career, she gets a little

972
00:40:40,394 --> 00:40:42,314
Speaker 3: bit more independence. I don't know if that will be

973
00:40:42,394 --> 00:40:44,873
Speaker 3: within agents Grotto or she'll end up starting.

974
00:40:44,634 --> 00:40:45,274
Speaker 2: Her own thing.

975
00:40:45,434 --> 00:40:47,354
Speaker 3: I don't know what the working visa situation is like

976
00:40:47,434 --> 00:40:49,873
Speaker 3: over there, but that is my wish for Emily Cooper.

977
00:40:49,874 --> 00:40:51,594
Speaker 4: And I'm sure Mindy will sing again.

978
00:40:52,834 --> 00:40:53,473
Speaker 2: Undoubtedly.

979
00:40:54,474 --> 00:40:56,714
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us today to deep

980
00:40:56,754 --> 00:40:59,114
Speaker 3: dive into the first four episodes of the new season

981
00:40:59,154 --> 00:41:01,594
Speaker 3: of Emily in Paris on Netflix. We'll be back in

982
00:41:01,634 --> 00:41:04,154
Speaker 3: your feed very soon to unpack the rest of the season.

983
00:41:04,434 --> 00:41:07,714
Speaker 3: Our next pod drop will be covering episodes five to eight,

984
00:41:07,994 --> 00:41:10,194
Speaker 3: and the one after that will cover the last two

985
00:41:10,274 --> 00:41:12,714
Speaker 3: episodes of the season. So make sure you're following the

986
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990
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