Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. What did you pay
Speaker 2: for your face? There are serums, There are needles. There
Speaker 2: are lasers and bright lights and things that look like
Speaker 2: alien probes. There are vampire facials and red wine bats
Speaker 2: and beef fat and bird pooh and salmon sperm, all
Speaker 2: of which apparently are to be put in our skin.
Speaker 2: A deep plane facelift, something called a bless a vigorous resurfacing,
Speaker 2: a browlift, a necklift, and a little light lipole, all
Speaker 2: of them shouting I can give you what you want,
Speaker 2: your old face back. It's confusing because even if that
Speaker 2: is what I want, a version of me that hasn't
Speaker 2: lived as long and seen so much and insists on
Speaker 2: showing it all off in the lines and dints and blotches,
Speaker 2: Even if that is what I want, how do I
Speaker 2: know if I will get it?
Speaker 3: All?
Speaker 2: These promises can't be trued? Can they? An ageless ideal
Speaker 2: that only the wealthy and well connected can touch? How
Speaker 2: brave and rich do I have to be to see
Speaker 2: my old self looking back from my phone? And what
Speaker 2: if what if I just move my blusher up an inch. Hello,
Speaker 2: I'm Holly Wainwright, and I am mid midlife, mid family,
Speaker 2: mid serum. When I'm having a face panic, when I
Speaker 2: am standing in front of an ocean of products that
Speaker 2: all promise to keep me young, tight, relevant, and bouncy.
Speaker 2: Was I ever those things? That's a conversation for another time.
Speaker 2: But I do something that you probably can't do. I
Speaker 2: text Lee Campbell is this worth the money?
Speaker 3: I ask?
Speaker 2: Which one of these isn't bullshit?
Speaker 3: I ask?
Speaker 2: Is it possible this one will release my inner Gwyneth?
Speaker 2: I type, and Lee always tells me the truth, which,
Speaker 2: in terms of that last question is always no. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I met Lee years ago, gosh, I want to say,
Speaker 2: like seven years ago ish. When I convinced her to
Speaker 2: come and work at MoMA Mia. I wooed her in
Speaker 2: a professional sense to come and help us be good
Speaker 2: at beauty because she was a legend in the space,
Speaker 2: a beauty editor for a very long time, beauty director
Speaker 2: at Cosmopolitan, back when magazine beauty editors were wined and
Speaker 2: dined and flown around the world by all the brands
Speaker 2: advertising in the bursting, glossy pages. Then she was lifestyle
Speaker 2: director at the Huffington Post, and then she came to
Speaker 2: Mom and Mia, where she changed everything for us. Now,
Speaker 2: of course, Lee is the host of You Beauty and
Speaker 2: Nothing to Wear, two lifestyle podcasts that are the cornerstone
Speaker 2: of Mom and MIA's lifestyle stuff. And more than that,
Speaker 2: she's a grou who now has her own brand, Prilo Beauty.
Speaker 2: But anyway back to me and in front of all
Speaker 2: the delicious promises of the beauty world, Essentially, what I
Speaker 2: always want to ask Lee is what works, and that's
Speaker 2: what she's doing here today. Whether you have a twelve
Speaker 2: step skincare routine, a dorm on speed dial with all
Speaker 2: the latest tweatments, or whether you still use the same
Speaker 2: one pot of moisturizer you've had since you were twenty.
Speaker 2: Lee's going to tell us where to put our money
Speaker 2: when it comes to our faces, and she's going to
Speaker 2: tell us all the things that she's tried. It's so good.
Speaker 2: I have to tell you. She got access to everything
Speaker 2: way before everybody else, so she knows her stuff, and
Speaker 2: she's going to tell us what the craziest thing she's
Speaker 2: ever done to her face is and what she's planning
Speaker 2: to do so. Welcome to a judgment free zone. Welcome
Speaker 2: to the Nobs beauty world of my friend Lee Campbell. Lee,
Speaker 2: you have been working in the beauty world for two
Speaker 2: decades because you've been doing this your whole career, different ways,
Speaker 2: different different levels. How do you feel about beauty now?
Speaker 2: Is it an advantage or a disadvantage to know so
Speaker 2: much as we change.
Speaker 3: That's a complex one to answer because it's definitely two sided.
Speaker 3: I think back when I started magazines, that's where I was.
Speaker 3: It was a Cosmopolitan magazine and there was maybe twenty
Speaker 3: mastheads that were read by most Australian women.
Speaker 1: There was not really the Internet.
Speaker 3: I mean it existed, but no, there definitely wasn't social media,
Speaker 3: and there was usually a beauty one beauty head at
Speaker 3: each magazine, and we went to all the events and
Speaker 3: then wrote all the articles and told everyone what to
Speaker 3: use and what not to use. So twenty women in
Speaker 3: media and Australia, mostly white, telling everyone what to do
Speaker 3: and not to.
Speaker 2: Do, mostly white and mostly twenty correct.
Speaker 3: That's right, And so I think now, you know, I
Speaker 3: jumped to digital and now not that it's brand new,
Speaker 3: but social media is great because it's the democratization of beauty.
Speaker 3: You know, we're seeing so many amazing faces and skin
Speaker 3: types and hair types, and you know, concern and then
Speaker 3: people who have that concern that you can relate to.
Speaker 1: So I think beauty's good.
Speaker 3: I think it has exploded to the point where it's
Speaker 3: incredibly confusing and overwhelming and sometimes intentionally so. But I
Speaker 3: think it's in a better place maybe than it was.
Speaker 3: Or do we know too much? I don't know, but
Speaker 3: I think I'm in a good place that I know
Speaker 3: what's bullshit and what's not. And it's I liken it
Speaker 3: to someone trying to understand, like me trying to understand tennis.
Speaker 3: When people are like I don't get it, what do
Speaker 3: I And I'm like, you know, you just you do
Speaker 3: your active and then you do that and they're like what.
Speaker 3: And then when I watch sport, I'm like, love, why
Speaker 3: is that a goal? So it's exactly.
Speaker 2: Why I wanted you to come on. So we're friends,
Speaker 2: We are mid listeners, and I am one of the
Speaker 2: luckiest women in the country because when I'm confused about
Speaker 2: beauty or I'm standing in the chemist, I'm standing in
Speaker 2: Mecca and I'm like, I literally can text Lee Campbell. Ye, now,
Speaker 2: you guys can't do that. So I want to give
Speaker 2: you a taste of what it's like. I mean, you
Speaker 2: could listen to you Beauty, of course, and she shares
Speaker 2: her knowledge all the time. But I want to give
Speaker 2: you a taste of it. But before we get onto
Speaker 2: some of that practical stuff, you told me how I
Speaker 2: feel about the beauty industry, How do you feel about
Speaker 2: beauty for you? Because I wonder how you've been living
Speaker 2: and swimming in this world and looking at your face
Speaker 2: and trying a million things like you get to try
Speaker 2: everything for better for worse for twenty two years. Does
Speaker 2: it make you very hard on yourself when you look
Speaker 2: in the mirror or does it actually make you more
Speaker 2: accepting because you're kind of like, I know what's going
Speaker 2: on here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the latter, I think. I mean, I think if
Speaker 3: I was starting out in the beauty industry now in
Speaker 3: my twenties, I might feel I mean, we didn't have
Speaker 3: reverse phone cameras, we didn't have social media. We went
Speaker 3: to work and our computer was a PC where you
Speaker 3: couldn't take it home and do more work like a laptop.
Speaker 3: So I think if I was starting out in beauty
Speaker 3: media now, and I was young and naive and probably
Speaker 3: more impressionable, it wouldn't be great. But I've aged with
Speaker 3: the industry and now forty three, I know what's what,
Speaker 3: I know what I might want to do. I don't
Speaker 3: care enough really that much anymore to you know.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't make you super self critical.
Speaker 1: No, I think.
Speaker 3: No. I'm worry more about the younger people, younger people,
Speaker 3: particularly with social media, and I think that's why there's
Speaker 3: a lot of good rules in place.
Speaker 1: But no, I just think it's getting a bit silly.
Speaker 2: So let's get to the stuff that is useful to
Speaker 2: our listeners, because, as I've said, I want them to
Speaker 2: feel like, no matter where you're at with beauty, whether
Speaker 2: you put water on your face and a moisturizer or
Speaker 2: whether you have a beautician and you're spending all the
Speaker 2: dollar bills, I want us to talk about like what's
Speaker 2: worth doing, what's not. Do you think there's one mistake
Speaker 2: And obviously I'm like mistake in speech marks, because we
Speaker 2: know there are no mistakes, right, but one mistake that
Speaker 2: women make when they get older with them makeup. Let's
Speaker 2: start with makeup.
Speaker 3: I remember back at Cosmo interviewed Jessica Albers makeup artists,
Speaker 3: Jessica Alba, I don't know how old, she's probably roughly
Speaker 3: my age.
Speaker 1: And they were saying that as we get.
Speaker 3: Older, so maybe in Jessica Grabble was like twenty seven
Speaker 3: at the time, women should lean away from powdered products
Speaker 3: and switch to creams because a cream finished more mimics,
Speaker 3: you know, a skin texture, which is true, but a
Speaker 3: lot of that then comes down to your skin type.
Speaker 1: So I am combinations.
Speaker 3: So I've still got very oily tea zone and then
Speaker 3: quite dry out of face. But that's true in a
Speaker 3: way in that obviously powders and I think generations like ours.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm in my mid forties, you're in your
Speaker 3: early fifties. A lot of the formulas were powdery powders,
Speaker 3: you know, and thick textures. And then I think as
Speaker 3: we perhaps get older and get more insecure or think
Speaker 3: there's more things to hard, we put on thicker concealers
Speaker 3: or foundations where we should be going backwards, because you
Speaker 3: want to have thinner textures that are more sort of radiant, lightweight,
Speaker 3: don't sit in fine lines, don't kind of highlight paws,
Speaker 3: and you know, a full coverage foundation is really going
Speaker 3: to want to stay in those paws and really highlight them.
Speaker 3: So I think less and creamier textures, and I think,
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a general rule of thumb with hair color.
Speaker 1: I know you've never had to color your hair.
Speaker 2: No, I did it ly? Did you know?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: I'm I remembersed, I remembered listening to a podcast recently, actually.
Speaker 2: Said that, but for the first time in my whole life.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I know, but you followed this rule because
Speaker 3: they generally say, go, you know, up to two shades
Speaker 3: lighter or darker because it's closer to your natural coloring,
Speaker 3: so it will be most flattering. Because if you do
Speaker 3: go black or blonde or somewhere, you know that's really
Speaker 3: far from your natural coloring. Oftentimes you feel washed out
Speaker 3: or have to change your make up blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: which you might want to do, but it's just you know,
Speaker 3: to make life easier, more lightweight textures, creams, and then
Speaker 3: just kind of go with your natural coloring.
Speaker 2: Lee recommended a concealer to me recently, which I think
Speaker 2: I've recommended on out loud because it was so cheap
Speaker 2: and so good. But that was why you recommended it,
Speaker 2: As you said, it's really light. So it's not because
Speaker 2: I think I go to the you know that I
Speaker 2: go to the makeup shop and I'm like, give me
Speaker 2: something that will fill everything up, you know, and you're like, no,
Speaker 2: the opposite is what you need to Yeah, so you
Speaker 2: recommended this concealer to me.
Speaker 3: It was Revolution Beauty. I think it's like twelve dollars
Speaker 3: or fish and it's really light. Yeah. So's it's a
Speaker 3: technically kind of like an Underreye illuminator and I wear that,
Speaker 3: or there's one from Rare Beauty that I wear a
Speaker 3: lot that's also just an Underreye illuminator. And it's just
Speaker 3: almost like a serum that it's tinted. And I've recently
Speaker 3: been researching I creams that are tinted because it's literally
Speaker 3: a skincare product, but it's got pigment in it, because
Speaker 3: the more I cake on there, the worse it looks.
Speaker 1: And I also can't be bothered.
Speaker 3: And I have a five year old, and I don't
Speaker 3: have time to precisely conceal and then powder bits and
Speaker 3: make sure the right bits are jury and the right
Speaker 3: bits of powdery. Less he's more in terms of kind
Speaker 3: of coverage. But that's not to say you shouldn't care
Speaker 3: about makeup. You know, and if you love it, you
Speaker 3: love it, right, that's right.
Speaker 2: But I think the creamy thing is a great tip.
Speaker 2: I put a powder on my face for all the time.
Speaker 3: I still do because I'm combo. But I've recently got
Speaker 3: into cream blushes. I have a war blush because I
Speaker 3: thought that it didn't suit me. But I feel like
Speaker 3: maybe my face is losing some color, which kind of happens,
Speaker 3: and so I'm having joy with cream blushes. But I
Speaker 3: just don't think what worked for you ten years ago
Speaker 3: it might still work for you when that's great. But
Speaker 3: don't be afraid to change just because you're a certain
Speaker 3: age or decade that you can't have fun with makeup.
Speaker 1: It's fun, we're color do what do you want?
Speaker 2: Do you think you have to spend a lot of
Speaker 2: money together? I mean, we just talked about that excellent
Speaker 2: cheap concealer, but I wonder, if you know those lightweight,
Speaker 2: creamy things, it is worth spending a bit of money.
Speaker 2: You tell me, do you get what you pay for?
Speaker 2: And if you are going to splurge on one or
Speaker 2: two things, what's worth splurging.
Speaker 1: Look, no, you don't get what you pay for. I
Speaker 1: mean you do. It's not that saying doesn't always apply.
Speaker 3: And that's because there are companies that, you know, are
Speaker 3: an overarching umbrella company that might own several brands within
Speaker 3: the industry that are summer high in summer what we
Speaker 3: call mass and then some are massediage, which is somewhere
Speaker 3: in the middle, and oftentimes they share formulas and technologies
Speaker 3: after a certain time period. Evolution Beauty, for example, not
Speaker 3: sponsored by them. Don't even know who runs them. You
Speaker 3: can get the right price on here, but I just
Speaker 3: love that company. I have a feeling that it might be,
Speaker 3: you know, a diffusion brand from a more prestigious company
Speaker 3: that has a lot of money. But no, you don't
Speaker 3: have to spend a lot of money.
Speaker 2: If you're like, I'll spend money on because for me
Speaker 2: and I might be wrong, and you should tell me
Speaker 2: if I am. I think it's base. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: think I don't mind spending a bit on a good
Speaker 2: sheerish foundation. I agree, I just find generally that seems
Speaker 2: to be better quality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look I think it's going it's taking up
Speaker 3: more real estate, and I think it's more costly to
Speaker 3: keep trialing an error to find the right foundation or base.
Speaker 3: So you know, places like your Sophoras and your mechas
Speaker 3: will give you a little sample pot that you can try.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, to be honest with you. Out of
Speaker 3: the ten foundations I reach for and I try many more,
Speaker 3: half are really affordable and half are really expensive. So
Speaker 3: not always, not always, But I would say generally my
Speaker 3: whole beauty routine. If I was not in my job,
Speaker 3: I'd save my money for my skin care and go
Speaker 3: more affordable in my make.
Speaker 2: I cheaper makeup, more expensive skin care. Yes, okay, everyone
Speaker 2: worries about wrinkles, and I'm even putting wrinkles inverted commas
Speaker 2: because there's just lines on our face that we get.
Speaker 2: But I heard Ray Morris say ages ago, and it's
Speaker 2: stuck in my head that this and this is why
Speaker 2: I'm spending my money on my base. But maybe this
Speaker 2: is a myth. I heard Ray Morris say that actually
Speaker 2: it's the uneven skin tone that's most aging rather than
Speaker 2: necessarily lines. Now, if we are trying to avoid looking
Speaker 2: old and inverted comics, do you think that's true? And
Speaker 2: what do you do about that? In terms of skin care.
Speaker 3: And make okay, so most aging, interestingly, is you mean
Speaker 3: the perception of age to someone else's eye.
Speaker 2: Yes, which is true, let's be clear about that.
Speaker 3: Yes, So there's been a lot of studies done that
Speaker 3: kind of prove this opinion. However, it depends on the
Speaker 3: demographic that you do, it on their ethnicity. So lighter
Speaker 3: colored skins will show more uneven tone, pigmentation, hyperpigmentation, all
Speaker 3: of that sort of stuff, but other races won't. And
Speaker 3: so it really depends on who you're asking and who
Speaker 3: whose opinion you care about. But yes, there's been studies
Speaker 3: that have shown that, for the most part, an uneven
Speaker 3: skin tone appears to age someone visibly more in someone
Speaker 3: else's eyes than wrinkles too, And that's because wrinkles are
Speaker 3: going to happen no matter what. Even if you were
Speaker 3: a vampire that sat in a dark room for your
Speaker 3: entire life, you would still get wrinkles thanks to moving
Speaker 3: your face and eating and drinking and.
Speaker 2: Just imagining this like really pissed off bampire is like
Speaker 2: last time, I don't even laugh.
Speaker 3: For right, And that's called intrinsic aging, and it's gonna
Speaker 3: happen no matter what you do, how good you are.
Speaker 3: And then extrinsic aging is lifestyle factors like exposure to
Speaker 3: the sun or even just UV diet, And when I
Speaker 3: say diet, not dieting, I mean nutrition, menopause, and hormones
Speaker 3: kind of falls into both because it's going to happen
Speaker 3: to you no matter what. But also then what you
Speaker 3: do around that all the reason why.
Speaker 2: People get morepentation around perry and menopause.
Speaker 3: Yeah, malasma, that's called malasma, and that often happens around
Speaker 3: pregnancy or perry. Nutrition, I said, smoking and toxins like
Speaker 3: your glass of wine. Not that I'm saying I don't
Speaker 3: do that, I mean I do most of these things.
Speaker 3: But yeah, photoaging is the aging of the skin. That's
Speaker 3: when it's uneven, and that is all different types of pigmentation,
Speaker 3: some spots, you know, all those things, and ninety percent
Speaker 3: eighty to ninety percent depending on which study you read,
Speaker 3: is caused by UV exposure. So if you don't want
Speaker 3: to be perceived by yourself or someone else as aging
Speaker 3: because of that sunscreen, I know.
Speaker 2: Our listeners, what's the answer.
Speaker 3: It is always the answer, and it's never too late
Speaker 3: to start. Do I wish I had a time machine
Speaker 3: to go back and tell late twenty, early thirty or
Speaker 3: oddly that just covering a face and leaving her chest
Speaker 3: out isn't going to work. But yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 3: can spend all the money you want on every single treatment,
Speaker 3: every single serum product or whatever, but if you're not
Speaker 3: wearing diligent sunscreen, you know, and or sun protection. You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't love the feeling of sunscreen.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to reapply. There's hats, there's gloves,
Speaker 3: there's lots of options, there's just being sensible. Don't spend
Speaker 3: two hundred alls on a serum if you're not wearing sunscreen.
Speaker 1: Everything good day. It's just throwing your money right down
Speaker 1: the sink. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So obviously, and we're going to talk about treatment, treatments
Speaker 2: and what they call tweakments later. But there are things
Speaker 2: that target obviously skin that skin tone and I guess
Speaker 2: makeup wise, that's obvious. It's that's why it is important, right.
Speaker 2: But as you say, don't go too thick, because that
Speaker 2: doesn't that's not the answer like that, Yeah, unless you
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, if you're going to put your money,
Speaker 2: you said before that you would rather save your money
Speaker 2: on the makeup and put it in the skin care
Speaker 2: correct now, if you're not skincare literate, and there'll be
Speaker 2: lots of listeners to this who are not. What is
Speaker 2: the serum? And I don't necessarily mean the brand, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean the thing that does, the thing that
Speaker 2: you that's worth you getting, because it can be so overwhelming.
Speaker 2: As you said at the beginning, you're like, they say
Speaker 2: a four step process and the ten step process and
Speaker 2: this and that and.
Speaker 3: Tell us what matters, Holly, Well, they're not just one.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be lovely? We could all shut up shop
Speaker 3: and everyone would go broke. It's not one size fits all.
Speaker 3: That's why there is such a ginormous, overwhelming, confusing industry
Speaker 3: that continues to evolve and confuse us all. So it
Speaker 3: kind of depends on the concern you want to treat,
Speaker 3: your skin type, whether or not you care, and even
Speaker 3: your budget. And I can recommend some brands generally, but
Speaker 3: I can run through, maybe like the three or four
Speaker 3: main ingredients slash things that they do because what you
Speaker 3: might want to target is not what I want to target,
Speaker 3: or might not work on your skin because some skins
Speaker 3: don't like some things and some do.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: Vitamin a is the umbrella term for your ret nulls,
Speaker 3: your retinoids, and that's the single most studied active ingredient
Speaker 3: in skincare. There's a billion papers about it.
Speaker 2: And when people say because if you're again, if you're not,
Speaker 2: literally if people say actives, this is what they mean.
Speaker 2: It's it's the serums and the potions that they're not
Speaker 2: just like an ice moisturizer that feel good. Yes, they're
Speaker 2: actually in there like getting shipped done.
Speaker 3: They're evoking change in the skin somehow, like they're kind
Speaker 3: of going in instead of giving a hug, they're giving direction.
Speaker 3: They're like do this, whereas some other ingredients just hug
Speaker 3: and say this, I'm comforting you.
Speaker 1: You feel good?
Speaker 3: Yes, So your vitamin a is retinolds, retinoids. It's kind
Speaker 3: of an all rounder. It will do It stimulates colligens,
Speaker 3: so it can help fade some acne depending on the severity,
Speaker 3: you know, breakouts, also fine lines and wrinkles and uneven tones.
Speaker 1: So it's a really good or rounder.
Speaker 3: And we use that at night and we always wear
Speaker 3: su sprein in the morning because we do anyway.
Speaker 2: And you know, as you'll hear some women get to
Speaker 2: an age and go I went to the doctor and
Speaker 2: ask them for retinal right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've asked for a prescription form of vitamin A.
Speaker 3: The name I cannot say on this podcast. But you
Speaker 3: can get a script from your GP or your dermatologists
Speaker 3: that you then use at home that's stronger. Then there's
Speaker 3: stuff you're going to get at your price, Sline, Chemistruyre House,
Speaker 3: Sephora Mecca, David Jones Meyer.
Speaker 2: But when you if you're not doing that, you can
Speaker 2: there's a very wide.
Speaker 3: Range, huge wide range of you know, we call it
Speaker 3: over the counter, which I guess in drug terms means
Speaker 3: you normally have to ask a pharmacist, but in terms
Speaker 3: of beauty and skincare, it means you.
Speaker 1: Can just go into a shop and buy it.
Speaker 3: I don't do the prescription vitamin A stuff because it
Speaker 3: you can't really use much else you have.
Speaker 1: To build up to it. It's a lot, but a
Speaker 1: lot of women do. Yeah, it's a big deal. A
Speaker 1: lot of women do.
Speaker 3: I couldn't chop and change and use all the products
Speaker 3: that I do if I did that. And I think
Speaker 3: there's a lot of elegant formulas that you can just
Speaker 3: get at the pharmacy. Yeah, so I'm a big fan
Speaker 3: of vitamin A. Another one is vitamin C. So this one, yeah,
Speaker 3: me too.
Speaker 1: I use vitamin C every morning.
Speaker 3: Basically it protects against the photoaging stuff we talked about earlier.
Speaker 3: So imagine if your sun screen is one of you,
Speaker 3: you know, a best brand, and then vitamin C comes
Speaker 3: along and they hold hands and go, yay, let's fight
Speaker 3: this battie together. So you put your vitamin C on
Speaker 3: in the morning before, you know, than your moisturize in
Speaker 3: this unscreen. That's an antioxidant. It's going to help protect
Speaker 3: for the future, but also help kind of undo a
Speaker 3: bit of the stuff before. Not every skin or every
Speaker 3: person likes vitamin C. Not good for sensitive Yeah, it
Speaker 3: is a very very mild form of exfoliation because it's
Speaker 3: an acid. Its other more gentle friend is vitamin B
Speaker 3: or nicinamite, which kind of does a bit of everything too.
Speaker 3: So that'll help fade your hyperpigmentation. It can else also
Speaker 3: help the appearance of pores. My pores are getting bigger.
Speaker 3: I don't think nicinimite is helping, but you know, studies
Speaker 3: have shown it can. It can also kind of soothe inflammation.
Speaker 3: And reduce redness. So it's kind of like if vitamin C.
Speaker 3: Do you love my analogies I'm just coming out with.
Speaker 2: It's like, I like the idea of the things that
Speaker 2: give you a hug and then the things that are
Speaker 2: in there like yelly, get shit done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to think about it.
Speaker 3: So see, it's more of a yellow bee is more
Speaker 3: of a hugger, but a quite a cheap And then
Speaker 3: one more I want to explain because it's the most
Speaker 3: common question I get, is harlaronic acid.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I was going to ask this because I
Speaker 2: know that this isn't true for everybody, but for me,
Speaker 2: as I've a as I've gotten older, my skin's gotten
Speaker 2: dryer and moisture, moisture. Moisture is my main concern.
Speaker 3: But because harlaric acid has the word acid in it,
Speaker 3: everyone thinks it's very active. It's not an active and
Speaker 3: that it's going to exfoliate, and it's not. It's hydrating,
Speaker 3: So it's names kind of really confusing us. And it's
Speaker 3: a it's essentially just going to lock in all the
Speaker 3: moisture so you can put it on in a serum
Speaker 3: step and then you know other things. It's called a humectan,
Speaker 3: So basically it kind of stops the environment from drawing
Speaker 3: the moisture or your body from drawing the moisture out,
Speaker 3: and it helps hold it in. So it's really good
Speaker 3: for supporting the skin barrier, hydration, plumping, all that.
Speaker 1: Sort of stuff. But it's not about well, it's not
Speaker 1: acids are bad.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 1: You can't really overdo hyaluronic acid. No, it's a hugger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hugger.
Speaker 1: It's not hard. I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then we could get further into peptides and
Speaker 3: all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: I think for now, that's a very good explanation.
Speaker 3: If I was new to skincare or you know, I
Speaker 3: wanted to just start more of these kind of beyond
Speaker 3: just sunscreen because I don't know how many times I'm
Speaker 3: going to say sunscreen, but a lot of sunscreen and moisturizer.
Speaker 1: I would use for me.
Speaker 3: A Vitamin C in the morning and Vitamin eight night,
Speaker 3: or if I was sensitive, I'd use a Vitamin B in.
Speaker 1: The morning and then some sort of vitamin at night.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's good.
Speaker 2: That's what I do. I feel like I should got
Speaker 2: to pickick coming up. After the break, Lee breaks down
Speaker 2: which beauty treatments are worth it and the ones she's
Speaker 2: allowed to recommend, and why there are some the people
Speaker 2: just can't talk about. If I have been using just
Speaker 2: like a basic moisturizer from the chemist for years, which
Speaker 2: lots and lots and lots of women do, and they
Speaker 2: look bloody great, don't they. What might a good basic
Speaker 2: one look like for a fortyish woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look, you don't have to change if it's
Speaker 3: not broke, you know, I told her and New Beauty.
Speaker 3: Last year, I traveled and I accidentally, well, I took
Speaker 3: this sample moisture is not used at my face, and
Speaker 3: my face my skin was never better on that trip,
Speaker 3: And when I got home, I realized it was a
Speaker 3: body lotion that had a tiny bit of chemical expollian
Speaker 3: in it. So, look, whatever works for you. Don't feel
Speaker 3: the pressure to change or add or spend more money.
Speaker 3: But if you do want to get you know, a
Speaker 3: pretty simple routine. I would do some sort of cleansing
Speaker 3: or removing of makeup pollution, and that's onscreen.
Speaker 1: We talked about.
Speaker 3: Optional is to treat, so that's usually your serum that
Speaker 3: does one of those things we talked about before, hydrate
Speaker 3: and then protect with your sunscreen, like it's that simple.
Speaker 1: Some days I do more than that.
Speaker 3: Oftentimes I do cleanse and some screen because I'm running
Speaker 3: around no one's seeing me, or I'm with my son,
Speaker 3: or I'm too tired.
Speaker 1: So even if you have.
Speaker 3: These things at home, you don't have to do everything
Speaker 3: every single day and know the police aren't going to
Speaker 3: come if you're sleep in your makeup and you don't.
Speaker 1: Do all of the things.
Speaker 3: You can't undo all your good work in one night
Speaker 3: or one day. But a diligence skincare routine over time
Speaker 3: is probably the best man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, I know you're going to explain to me
Speaker 2: why how you can and can't talk about these things
Speaker 2: right that I'm going to ask you about next. Which
Speaker 2: are things that you would go to a beautician or
Speaker 2: and what is it called an esthetician let's just.
Speaker 3: Say professional professional, like to like a medi spa type vibe.
Speaker 2: And that can also seem really confusing a lot of
Speaker 2: women who are not necessarily in skincare. They might get
Speaker 2: a facial when they go on holiday, for example, right,
Speaker 2: or like someone's got them a voucher, and in my experience,
Speaker 2: those kind of facials feel lovely. They're big hugs.
Speaker 1: They're big, they're big hugs.
Speaker 2: But what you learn as you get older and you
Speaker 2: and you're or maybe your eyes just open to all
Speaker 2: the stuff that's out there, is a lot of people
Speaker 2: are going to salons for not hugs.
Speaker 3: Different their skin to be shouted out in very various
Speaker 3: ways shout.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to throw some terms out and then
Speaker 2: you're going to tell me why you can and can't
Speaker 2: talk about what and what's what? But the kind of
Speaker 2: things that I get offered when I go to a salon, laser, microdermabrasion, needling,
Speaker 2: IPL I want you to tell me as honestly as
Speaker 2: you can. Have you tried them all, what you think
Speaker 2: are worth it, what you think are not.
Speaker 3: Gosh, this is so complex, and I can see why
Speaker 3: everyone's confused. I mean I'm even confused sometimes, and I
Speaker 3: luckily know the resources to look it up. So nothing,
Speaker 3: like I said before, nothing is going to replace a good, solid,
Speaker 3: diligent at home routine unless you are very wealthy and
Speaker 3: very famous and can get a facial every three to
Speaker 3: four weeks, which would be lovely. I still wouldn't. I can,
Speaker 3: I could get it for free if I wanted. I
Speaker 3: don't care enough and I don't have the time. And
Speaker 3: also I've gone back to liking the hug facial the
Speaker 3: deep facial massage.
Speaker 1: I don't want it. I don't want something that hurts anymore.
Speaker 3: But there's two reasons why this is such a confusing
Speaker 3: and hard topic to talk about and therefore hard for
Speaker 3: women to find information, and therefore the whole industry feels
Speaker 3: it in secrecy. And you think all your friends know
Speaker 3: the secrets that you don't, and what are they getting
Speaker 3: and why do they look so good? And why doesn't
Speaker 3: anyone talk about this? And now I feel like shit?
Speaker 3: So basically, I mean it also depends in your bubble.
Speaker 3: I am in a very beauty bubble in that you know,
Speaker 3: talking about anti wrinkle or fillers or whatever is very normal.
Speaker 3: But I have friends that aren't in Sydney. They might
Speaker 3: be rural or their teachers and doctors and no maybe not.
Speaker 2: Got other things going on.
Speaker 3: But then they're like, well people are doing what what?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, there is no
Speaker 3: right or wrong. But basically Australia has very strict laws.
Speaker 3: The Therapeutic Goods Administration which is the TGA prohibits some
Speaker 3: sort of some forms of advertising. That's why you might
Speaker 3: have seen a lot of content creators get really upset
Speaker 3: about the fact that we can't now personally recommend sunscreen
Speaker 3: because it falls into the drug category.
Speaker 2: So you're actually not allowed on your social media platforms
Speaker 2: to be this is the sunscreen I use and I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: Allowed to know?
Speaker 2: Are you allowed to go? I go to this salon
Speaker 2: and I get this, this and this done.
Speaker 3: See it depends on what that is. But with the
Speaker 3: sunscreen thing, I can say this sunscreen is called this,
Speaker 3: it is SBA fifty plus, it's tinted. But I can't
Speaker 3: say I have oily skin and I find it really
Speaker 3: great because it's not shiny and my makeup goes, you know,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: However, other people can.
Speaker 3: You know, there's eighty five thousand women in the New
Speaker 3: Beauty Facebook group and they can share that information with
Speaker 3: each other because that's not seen as advertising. So I
Speaker 3: do think the TGA has really good intentions, particularly you know,
Speaker 3: I have a niece who's nineteen and another one who's sixteen,
Speaker 3: and I don't want them looking in a world of
Speaker 3: social media where there's before and after is everywhere of everything,
Speaker 3: and they think that that's normal and what they need
Speaker 3: to do. But so ultimately I think it's good, but
Speaker 3: it's then really tricky to find information or do your
Speaker 3: own research if you want to have one of these
Speaker 3: things done.
Speaker 2: No, I think you explained it really well before. When
Speaker 2: you're like, it makes you go, why won't people just
Speaker 2: tell me? And part of it is because they actually can't.
Speaker 1: Part of it is because they actually can't.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, you might hear or see something
Speaker 3: all over social media or your friends, and then you
Speaker 3: go seeing one of these experts and we'll talk about
Speaker 3: how to find a good one in a moment, but
Speaker 3: then they recommend something else. You well, I've never heard
Speaker 3: of that. You don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: And it's because that other thing can't be advertised or
Speaker 3: talked about. So, for example, we just talked about harlor
Speaker 3: on a acid on your face in the serum form,
Speaker 3: which can be talked about everywhere, but when it's used
Speaker 3: as an ingredient in an injectible, that injectible can then
Speaker 3: not be spoken about because injected harlor on a acid
Speaker 3: is part of the schedule for drugs. But then there's
Speaker 3: other things. Something I'm going to admit to having later.
Speaker 3: The salmon sperm thing, which we'll get to, is not
Speaker 3: class as a schedule for drugs, so I can tell
Speaker 3: everyone about that. So it's incredibly confusing. And actually the
Speaker 3: Therapeutic Goods Administration website parts that I look at are
Speaker 3: written for media and or clinics, but it's great for
Speaker 3: the regular person to have a look and understand whereby
Speaker 3: why hasn't someone ever suggested this? And you know, clinics
Speaker 3: can't even ask you on their online form, you know
Speaker 3: you here to talk about X, Y and Z, because
Speaker 3: that's considered advertising because you're prompting.
Speaker 2: Them, right, So so question get around this little bit,
Speaker 2: I know. So before we get onto injections, which we
Speaker 2: will in a minute. Yeah, some of those things that
Speaker 2: I mentioned before, Yes, laser micro invasion, needing IPL. Now
Speaker 2: I've had IPL which I went to a clinic near
Speaker 2: me for a facial like hug facial hug. I asked
Speaker 2: them yes, directly about it, and so she's like, yep,
Speaker 2: she's and they do both ye and she did. So
Speaker 2: I have had three treatments of that. Great and what
Speaker 2: happens in that and obviously is the zap you with lasers.
Speaker 2: That's what they're doing.
Speaker 3: Intense pulse light is not a laser, no, But like
Speaker 3: further the layperson, yes, and you might have heard of
Speaker 3: IPL for hair removal and also laser hair removal, but
Speaker 3: lasers can also be for skin rejuvenation, as so can IPL.
Speaker 3: But yes, basically you're probably trying to clear up some
Speaker 3: red maybe some capillaries and some tone sun.
Speaker 2: Spots and redness around my nose and that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and it kind of hurts. Yeah, it kind of hurts,
Speaker 2: and afterwards you look kind of scary. Who knows whether
Speaker 2: it works or not, but I think you look beautiful.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: But like to me, that was something new and different.
Speaker 2: It's expensive things, so that's why it becomes hard for
Speaker 2: you to say, well, was it worth it? Like a
Speaker 2: probably can't say whether or not you think it's worth it,
Speaker 2: but also.
Speaker 1: You can say, yeah, did it make you feel better enough?
Speaker 2: I think it definitely yes, And I think it did
Speaker 2: like one of them because back to what we said
Speaker 2: earlier on about it's in my head that an even
Speaker 2: skin tone is preferable, and I was noticing that my
Speaker 2: skin tone was much less even, and I, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's one of those things where there's
Speaker 2: some people say there's no point to any of this
Speaker 2: unless you're actually just gonna do the injector and stuff.
Speaker 2: There's only so much you can do, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: playing around the edges. Can you say whether you think
Speaker 2: these things are worth it?
Speaker 1: I think they're all worth it.
Speaker 3: If you're doing it for the right reasons, if you
Speaker 3: have the money, if you ultimately it's going to make
Speaker 3: you happy. But your happiness doesn't depend on it, you know,
Speaker 3: I think. I think the place you went to then
Speaker 3: suggested micro needling or RF microedal, So.
Speaker 2: Then that's the next suggestion. They said, why don't we
Speaker 2: do micro needling next? And I'm like, that sounds expensive
Speaker 2: and it is and it is Is that worth doing well.
Speaker 1: For me to recommend to you.
Speaker 3: I would have done either or, But also I don't
Speaker 3: know where your comfort levels lie with invasiveness. So IPL
Speaker 3: is like a zapp, whereas micro needling is breaking the skin.
Speaker 3: It's a teeny tiny needle that they use all over
Speaker 3: your face in various ways that pierces the skin. Microscoping
Speaker 3: creates a micro wound. So that your skin goes help.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, collagen quick everyone to the surface, fix
Speaker 3: it and then it kind of fixes the micro wound.
Speaker 3: But that is piercing of the skin, and I you know,
Speaker 3: it depends on every single person and woman as to
Speaker 3: where their line is. But oftentimes people don't want to
Speaker 3: have anti wrinkle or filler because it's piercing the skin
Speaker 3: and using needles, and so it's an interesting thing to recommend,
Speaker 3: oftentimes even offline to friends because they're like, oh, I
Speaker 3: would never do that, Oh what have you done this?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, yeah, but like why would you
Speaker 3: do that part? You know?
Speaker 1: Where is your marriage? I know?
Speaker 2: And you know what I've We've talked about this often,
Speaker 2: but I haven't yet got anti wrinkle injections. But I
Speaker 2: don't feel like ethically they're wrong or anything for me.
Speaker 2: I'm more like, I worry about the slippery slope. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's amazing. I've already started on the slippery slope
Speaker 2: with mine.
Speaker 1: But it's you can always get off the slope, That's true.
Speaker 1: It is not a tattoo.
Speaker 3: None of this is a tattoo, unless it's a tatoo,
Speaker 3: which I've done to my lips, which I'll tell you
Speaker 3: about in a minute. But none of it is really
Speaker 3: permanent unless you're having cosmetic surgery, you know, on operation.
Speaker 3: But I think what I would do if I was
Speaker 3: confused and curious and obviously none of this needs doing,
Speaker 3: you know, go back to your moisturize when sunscreen, like
Speaker 3: we talked about before.
Speaker 1: But I would go to a reputable place.
Speaker 3: I would ask friends and family, ask in community groups
Speaker 3: where you can, because there's a lot of research you
Speaker 3: can't do on social media and online, and go to
Speaker 3: them and say, hey, this concerns me the capillaries around
Speaker 3: my nose or you know, the laxity under my chin.
Speaker 3: Don't say everyone's getting pico laser or laser genesis or
Speaker 3: fractional laser or HIFU or.
Speaker 2: M face or god all these things.
Speaker 3: Let them suggest something, and then if they're the type
Speaker 3: of person that goes, hang on, oh yes, let's do X,
Speaker 3: Y and Z and the whole outphabet, I would go,
Speaker 3: thank you, goodbye and find somewhere else because they think,
Speaker 3: you know, taking your insecurities about your looks too. A
Speaker 3: professional should be handled with care and they shouldn't make
Speaker 3: them worse, and don't I would always have a consult
Speaker 3: walk away, think about, not have a treatment on the spot. Particularly,
Speaker 3: you know with these more hardcore things, some of them
Speaker 3: contain downtime. You know, your your face will be red
Speaker 3: and peeling, and you know it's so varied. But I
Speaker 3: would do my research before I do anything to my
Speaker 3: face like that, and not unfortunately, because these things are
Speaker 3: so expensive, don't always go for the cheapest because you
Speaker 3: know a lot.
Speaker 2: Of that true. I mean we've talked before just before,
Speaker 2: when we touched on it. When it comes to anti
Speaker 2: wrinkle injections and fillers, you can now because now they
Speaker 2: are so common and widely available, you can there's a
Speaker 2: massive price differential. There will be somebody who will share
Speaker 2: a vile with you and it will be oh god,
Speaker 2: please that cheaper than chips, or your hairdresser can do it,
Speaker 2: or your dentists can do it. Can you give us
Speaker 2: any advice about how to choose if you decide to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's you know, two main brands, and they
Speaker 3: are sold to the doctor or nurse at a unit price,
Speaker 3: and then it's up to them what they charge on
Speaker 3: top of that. And you can't compare apples for apples
Speaker 3: because these two different brands, you use different amounts of units.
Speaker 3: What you're paying for on top of that cost price
Speaker 3: is usually the expertise of the injector and or the
Speaker 3: rent in the suburb they're set up in, or their
Speaker 3: marketing budget or whatever that might be. So again, there's
Speaker 3: no hard and fast for all. I just wouldn't go
Speaker 3: for one of those flash in the pandeals that you
Speaker 3: sometimes see on a website that's at one of those
Speaker 3: kind of burn and churtin places. If you've got, you know,
Speaker 3: open and honest friends that have had these things, ask
Speaker 3: them and.
Speaker 2: If this is someone who think looks great, yeah, because
Speaker 2: I think also a lot of women are. They think
Speaker 2: if you don't know much about it, you think, oh,
Speaker 2: if I get injections, I'm going to suddenly look like
Speaker 2: one of the scary ladies. We used to put pictures
Speaker 2: off with arrows in in magazines back in my time. Totally, yeah,
Speaker 2: and we all know that now there's a whole world
Speaker 2: of variety there. Yeah, but less is less, less is.
Speaker 3: More, Yeah, So what I would do if it's your
Speaker 3: first time and you're curious, and again and you can
Speaker 3: walk away at any time before they've started, make sure
Speaker 3: that they've given you a thorough price breakdown before. I
Speaker 3: hear a lot of friends going oh, I went in
Speaker 3: and they showed me, and they started, and then I
Speaker 3: got to pay when I was blown, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I had felt sick about how much it would cost,
Speaker 3: and I was like, you should have asked straight up.
Speaker 3: But again, people feel vulnerable and they maybe haven't been
Speaker 3: through the process and they're like, when are they going
Speaker 3: to tell me the cost?
Speaker 1: A minute it's over.
Speaker 3: But a good practitioner, whether they're a nurse or a
Speaker 3: doctor or wherever you're getting it done, will hold them
Speaker 3: heror and say, you know, how do you feel about
Speaker 3: this area? Or you say I don't like my elevens?
Speaker 3: They're the bit between there or whatever it may be,
Speaker 3: and they say, I suggest this and this and this,
Speaker 3: and I would start with this. Generally, if it's your
Speaker 3: first time, you should go back for a check two
Speaker 3: weeks later and say hey, I really liked it, or
Speaker 3: you didn't, it's not.
Speaker 1: Enough or whatever.
Speaker 3: But yes, if you're at a good reputable place, they
Speaker 3: will always start, you know, low a quantity hopefully equals
Speaker 3: lower cost, and then it's optional. If you go back
Speaker 3: ever again, it will not destroy your muscles to the
Speaker 3: point where you're will look older when it wears off.
Speaker 3: It will just gradually wear off, and you will be
Speaker 3: back to what we call natural aging as you were before.
Speaker 3: It's not going to make anything drastically worse. It's not
Speaker 3: a train you can't get off off. You can get
Speaker 3: off at any stop you want.
Speaker 2: I like that. There's so much more to my conversation
Speaker 2: with Lee coming up next. She shares very transparently what
Speaker 2: she has and hasn't done to her face. And yes,
Speaker 2: we finally talk about seven sperm. Okay, so you can't
Speaker 2: tell us what you would recommend, but can you tell
Speaker 2: us the things you've tried.
Speaker 3: I've tried pretty much everything. I mean, I've not had
Speaker 3: plastic surgery like fate, like a face lift.
Speaker 1: It's funny. Forty three and I now have four skins
Speaker 1: on my eyelids.
Speaker 3: I never had these before. I've got four skins. And
Speaker 3: there's a surgery that can be done for that, a
Speaker 3: plastic surgery, and I booked in for a consultation, and
Speaker 3: as with any good surgeon, that if you're having some
Speaker 3: form of plastic surgery, you have.
Speaker 1: To have a referral from your GP. Is that an
Speaker 1: eye lift, yes, bleff.
Speaker 3: And the referral from the GP is not to say
Speaker 3: Lee can't see therefore she needs to have this done.
Speaker 3: It's to make sure that you're in good mental health
Speaker 3: and that you don't have, you know, any sort of
Speaker 3: mental health issues that may be causing you to want
Speaker 3: this surgery.
Speaker 1: And then I went to get the referrals.
Speaker 3: I can't be bothered, Like I wasn't going to go
Speaker 3: for the consort, and then I had to get the referral,
Speaker 3: and then did I want the surgery? And I just
Speaker 3: thought it was the natural course of Maybe that's what
Speaker 3: I'll do because now I wanted to have my island circumcised.
Speaker 1: But right now I can't be bothered. These new foreskins
Speaker 1: are sticking with me.
Speaker 3: Will I change that in a few years maybe, but
Speaker 3: that would be something quite drastic for me.
Speaker 1: I've tried most things.
Speaker 3: I mean, I first was off at anti rinkle at
Speaker 3: twenty seven when I was at Cosmo, and I went
Speaker 3: and had it because yay, it was free and yay
Speaker 3: everyone was doing it and I earned no money and
Speaker 3: had no money. And then I look at some photos
Speaker 3: from my early thirties and my god, I mean maybe
Speaker 3: it was a look at the time, but I also
Speaker 3: think I looked older or definitely weird.
Speaker 2: That's kind of fun. Like everything, things go in and
Speaker 2: out of fashion. Yeah, so the big, shiny, very smooth
Speaker 2: was a big thing for a while, but now it
Speaker 2: feels like people are a bit more. I want some movement.
Speaker 2: I will smoothed this, but have that.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's definitely subsets, and there's no right wrong.
Speaker 3: Whatever makes you feel great. But I also think now
Speaker 3: at my mid forties, I don't care as much. And
Speaker 3: also I think it was maybe making me look ageless,
Speaker 3: but not in a good way, in a like could
Speaker 3: be sixty, could be thirty, And I don't care as much.
Speaker 3: But I've had lots of things things I can talk about.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, I got my lips tattooed
Speaker 3: on my lip color, which is called lip blushing.
Speaker 2: Is that right now?
Speaker 3: That? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And how long does that last?
Speaker 3: So I had it done three years ago. You meant
Speaker 3: to have a top up six weeks later, but I
Speaker 3: flew to Queensland to a woman I'd followed on social
Speaker 3: media for a long time, and I couldn't be bothered
Speaker 3: flying up six weeks later. I liked her work, but
Speaker 3: I didn't really look that much into the process. So
Speaker 3: I was on the Gold Coast for a holiday and
Speaker 3: I had my toddler with me at the time, and
Speaker 3: my husband and I said, I've got to got a
Speaker 3: quick meeting. I'll meet you at dinner. And my meeting
Speaker 3: was to get my lips and I didn't take into
Speaker 3: account the swelling. So I turned up to dinner. I
Speaker 3: was so incredibly swollen.
Speaker 1: And how did your husband say? He said, how is
Speaker 1: your meeting?
Speaker 3: And I was like, I got my lipsat And it's like,
Speaker 3: you know how everyone calls it getting collagen in your lips,
Speaker 3: like we used to call that in the eighties.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, No, I didn't get lip filler.
Speaker 3: It's they're just swollen. And I did document and there's
Speaker 3: a whole New Bidy episode about it. But this is
Speaker 3: three years later. No top up, and it's just because
Speaker 3: my lips very much blended into my skin.
Speaker 1: I didn't have much of lick pigment. So I just
Speaker 1: wanted my lips are better. Am I do a top up? Yes?
Speaker 3: Am I going to get it done? No, can't be bothered.
Speaker 3: It still looks good though, Yeah, it's fine. I mean
Speaker 3: it's pretty patchy if you're a cup close. And another
Speaker 3: thing I've had, which I can talk about it, which
Speaker 3: blows my mind is what's called redurant and you might
Speaker 3: see this everywhere at the moment or aka salmon sperm injections.
Speaker 2: Salmon sperm, Yeah, what's that?
Speaker 3: It's not real salmon sperm. It's a protein amino acid
Speaker 3: enzyme thinking that's cultivated from Like, you're not injecting sam
Speaker 3: and semen into your face. In Australia, it's classed as
Speaker 3: a regulated medical device but not a Grade four drugs,
Speaker 3: so therefore we can talk about it. What does it do?
Speaker 3: So I had it to under my eyes. People are
Speaker 3: having it all over their face. Some people are having
Speaker 3: it in the hands. It's basically just you don't need it.
Speaker 1: No one needs it. I paid for price.
Speaker 2: It arobably needs any of this.
Speaker 1: But if I am a chronic eye rubber every morning
Speaker 1: I love to rub.
Speaker 2: My insomniac, well, it's on the rack, Yes it is.
Speaker 3: And that's why I could never have lush accent as
Speaker 3: anymore because I love rubbing my eyes to the point
Speaker 3: where it really hurts. And I said that once on
Speaker 3: new beauty and then an optometrist message means that that's
Speaker 3: really bad, and I was like, I'm sure it's bad
Speaker 3: for my eyes, but my skin under my eyes was
Speaker 3: incredibly creepy. Still, it's you have numbing cream and then
Speaker 3: they do little, little little injections of this substance and
Speaker 3: then you have little welts for a few days, and
Speaker 3: then it goes away and it just kind of strengthens
Speaker 3: the barrier. It's like a big, big, big hard you're
Speaker 3: putting inside. But a lot of people prefer to layer
Speaker 3: a hug on topically.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people's barrier and rightly so
Speaker 3: is injecting things. Having said that, I do think the
Speaker 3: future of beauty in the next five to ten years
Speaker 3: is injectible or ingestible, mostly only because our skin is
Speaker 3: such a clever organ It is here to hold everything
Speaker 3: in and keep everything out and be like, don't come
Speaker 3: here and make us sick or make us whatever. So
Speaker 3: what we apply topically can work to a degree, but
Speaker 3: anything we ingest or inject is going straight in there.
Speaker 2: So really, when people say, and I know, as we've
Speaker 2: discussed what you can and can't say, but when people
Speaker 2: say there's only so much you can do with a cream.
Speaker 2: That's what they mean.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right, And that's because your skin is like, hey,
Speaker 3: i'm hearing the shouting. I'll take it to the next
Speaker 3: guy in the line, but the leader's right down the back.
Speaker 3: That like when you can't you get there.
Speaker 2: And when you say ingestible, you mean so for example,
Speaker 2: collagen gummies and I have a big jar of them
Speaker 2: and I always forget to take them. Is that worth doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Can you say?
Speaker 1: I can say yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm a big fan of collagen supplement. I was
Speaker 3: on and off for a long time and then I
Speaker 3: felt very old all of a sudden, and I thought, well,
Speaker 3: that's in my kitchen, and I buy it and it
Speaker 3: takes no time. So studies are still ongoing, but very promising.
Speaker 3: If you asked media or researchers five years ago, they
Speaker 3: were saying, oh, it's all a load of whatever. But
Speaker 3: I've seen many doctors and dietitians because essentially it's something
Speaker 3: you ingest it's part of your diet.
Speaker 1: Do a backflip.
Speaker 3: And unfortunately with things like this, because not unfortunately, but
Speaker 3: because it's so low on the study list of things
Speaker 3: we should be studying, you know, cures for others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, like that's curing diseases.
Speaker 3: Yes, studies done by the companies themselves need to be
Speaker 3: funded by them for someone to pay for it, which
Speaker 3: I think is fine, but they're still all verified and
Speaker 3: completely legit, and so ingesting collagen definitely does help not
Speaker 3: just your skin, hair and nails, but your joints. You know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of other things because your collagen declines
Speaker 3: rapidly as you age.
Speaker 1: You don't have to do it.
Speaker 3: I do it.
Speaker 1: I have one Sasha in my water every morning, along
Speaker 1: with some.
Speaker 3: Sort of electrolyte things because apparently I'm lowing that and.
Speaker 2: Off I go.
Speaker 1: It's no extra effort.
Speaker 3: And I hate it in a way because now I
Speaker 3: have a short bob and I'm one hundred percent gray.
Speaker 3: I have to cover my grays at home every day day.
Speaker 2: It's growing faster.
Speaker 3: Yes, my hair grows so fast, and my nails grow
Speaker 3: too fast, and I spoke about I cut them two
Speaker 3: days ago, not getting my nails done. But it's good
Speaker 3: for my skin. And the only reason I'm so diligent
Speaker 3: now is because I was like, oh, that's all a
Speaker 3: lot of shit.
Speaker 1: I don't have time.
Speaker 3: And when I stopped, I was like, oh, okay, we
Speaker 3: was doing something interesting.
Speaker 2: So you've done a control on that.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: One of the things that we women worry about, apart
Speaker 2: from the skin, you know, wrinkles, blah blah blah, is
Speaker 2: we get droopy right now? I'm very self conscious about
Speaker 2: my softening chin line.
Speaker 1: Your four skins on your eye lids.
Speaker 2: Yes, my four skins on my eyelids, all of those things.
Speaker 2: Is there stuff you can do about like the turkey
Speaker 2: neck and stuff that isn't a full on facelift? Is
Speaker 2: the stuff that works for.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's not a facelift, but that involves a clinic
Speaker 3: and money usually. I mean, there's not a huge amount
Speaker 3: you can do at home if that's what you're asking.
Speaker 2: Sleeping people do.
Speaker 3: To be honest, Yeah, that you will see a lot
Speaker 3: of especially coming out of you know, the k Beauty
Speaker 3: and JBD Kreen and beauty trends. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: like neck lifting masks that fit around your your ears.
Speaker 3: There's definitely professional options that you can have that I'm
Speaker 3: not going to involve surgery, but you can't really do
Speaker 3: it at home. Facial firm, facial massage, a guacha can
Speaker 3: help feels really nice. Is just generally good for blood
Speaker 3: flow and oxygen to the skin, so it can just
Speaker 3: help you glow as well. But if you're asking if
Speaker 3: there's a quick fix to reverse gravity by ten years,
Speaker 3: gravity is always going to be stronger than a cream unfortunately,
Speaker 3: So no.
Speaker 2: And facelifts, right, Suddenly, I hear the term facelift around
Speaker 2: in a way that I don't think, maybe this is
Speaker 2: my age, but I hear that are women in their
Speaker 2: forties really getting face lift? Yes, but you're seeing them
Speaker 2: on social media, like people quite proudly showing off there.
Speaker 3: That's the interesting thing about social media too, is that
Speaker 3: it's global, so there are a lot of countries that
Speaker 3: can and do advertise their whereas in terms of surgery,
Speaker 3: so you'll see a lot out of career. Turkey's very popular. Yes,
Speaker 3: I mean I can't vouch for all those people, but yes,
Speaker 3: people are getting facelifts or half facelifts. But you and
Speaker 3: I thinking of the sort of celebrity that went away
Speaker 3: and then came out and looked like they were permanently
Speaker 3: stuck in a wind tunnel, you know, from the eighties.
Speaker 3: These surgeries are absolutely a surgery there. Even though they're elective,
Speaker 3: they're an operation and they carry great risk and everyone
Speaker 3: should consider that obviously, But they're very subtle. There's very
Speaker 3: little downtime. You probably might think that someone has had,
Speaker 3: you know, some of these lasers or anti wrinkle that
Speaker 3: may have had a facelift or a mini facelift or
Speaker 3: half facelift, because it's so subtle these days. That's not
Speaker 3: to say it's not serious. What I consider one not
Speaker 3: ask me in ten years.
Speaker 1: But no, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know it literally like it feels like Nicholas
Speaker 3: Cage and face off to me, even though the process
Speaker 3: is nothing like that. I just think I'm of the
Speaker 3: age where it was such a basically.
Speaker 2: A big cut in the hooks your face background.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's really not like that anymore.
Speaker 3: But if someone is graduating to that, there's many, many, many, many,
Speaker 3: many steps prior. But if that's something you want to do,
Speaker 3: go for it. But I you know, there's plenty of
Speaker 3: things that I have the opportunity to try, or could
Speaker 3: afford to try, that I would try before doing that.
Speaker 2: Do I know you probably can't answer this fully, but
Speaker 2: you know, we all compare ourselves to the beautiful, whether
Speaker 2: they're celebrities or just women we see around or on
Speaker 2: social media who do seem to have a lot of
Speaker 2: high maintenance stuff going on. If you had to ballpark it,
Speaker 2: how much money does it cost to have that level
Speaker 2: of upkeep?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean the old less question, yes, but.
Speaker 2: I mean between so if you were going for your
Speaker 2: regular and injections and regular resurfacing in the good yeah,
Speaker 2: like what just.
Speaker 1: And diet and exercise? Are we talking about having a time?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Well, look, I think you know these aaaa A list
Speaker 3: celebrities are having these people come to their house constantly.
Speaker 3: You know, they would have teeny tiny tweaks probably every
Speaker 3: single week. They would have full body led you know
Speaker 3: those masks that everyone's saying, shall I spend three hundred
Speaker 3: or six hundred dollars on? Which I do now diligently,
Speaker 3: And I think do you rate those right?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 3: But I never used to until I found a good
Speaker 3: one that's only three minutes. I mean, there's plenty of
Speaker 3: good ones, but the ones that wanted me to lay
Speaker 3: down for ten minutes, ain't nobody got time for that.
Speaker 3: This one I can strap on my face and you know,
Speaker 3: vacuum what scare the neighbors, scare my son for three minutes,
Speaker 3: and so I can fit that in. But you know
Speaker 3: they're particularly leading up to award season or whatever. You know,
Speaker 3: full body led sometimes full body lasers. It could be
Speaker 3: and is you know, part of their job, but it
Speaker 3: could be a full time job and you would need
Speaker 3: hundreds and thousands of dollars. But fuck that, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: how boring. I hate laying steel and I hate having
Speaker 3: to heal from something.
Speaker 2: Now you might have answered this with the salmon sperm. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's the wildest beauty treatment you've ever tried?
Speaker 3: Probably that, I mean I have had the one where
Speaker 3: you they take out your blood and put it in
Speaker 3: a facial Yes, spin it. I won't say the real
Speaker 3: name here, spin it. Then they take the platelets out.
Speaker 3: They don't rub the red bit on your face. They
Speaker 3: take the platelets out, which are like a yellowy white color,
Speaker 3: and then rub that into the micro needling wounds because
Speaker 3: it's your own, like getting your own goodness out and
Speaker 3: putting it back in.
Speaker 2: Did you look like a newborn baby?
Speaker 1: I was at the time.
Speaker 3: I think I was in my early thirties, so I
Speaker 3: think I thought I was old. And I thought I
Speaker 3: loved it, but like now I feel and no, I
Speaker 3: don't feel old. I think I look old, but I'm
Speaker 3: sure in ten years, like a god forty three, you
Speaker 3: looked phenomenal.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was good.
Speaker 3: It was pretty crazy at the time. It was even
Speaker 3: before Kim Kardashian did that whole photo, which that's just
Speaker 3: the needling. That's just the blood coming off out the needling.
Speaker 3: That's not the spinning and the putting the stuff back in,
Speaker 3: because if you go deep with rf macrow needling, you.
Speaker 1: Will have quite a lot of bleeding. That's probably about
Speaker 1: as crazy as it get.
Speaker 3: I can't remember, and because none of it's in the
Speaker 3: recent past, because I don't really bother.
Speaker 2: You not mess around with it so much to.
Speaker 1: Tase no, I don't have the time.
Speaker 3: I think, oh, yeah, I'm going to do that soon,
Speaker 3: and then a whole year is gone. Not to say
Speaker 3: I won't, but I also just think as you get older,
Speaker 3: you kind of don't care as m I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe because I I don't know.
Speaker 2: But also maybe you're you know, you're wise, that's the thing,
Speaker 2: and you know what your priorities are. And before I
Speaker 2: close out, actually one more thing I was going to
Speaker 2: ask you is there is there such a thing as
Speaker 2: too late to start things like so you know, for
Speaker 2: example that I haven't done anti winkleingtections, but I don't
Speaker 2: rule any thing out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I have to look at my face a
Speaker 3: lot these so worry that if you don't do it soon,
Speaker 3: then you'll have to beat that face lift lady.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's never too late for anything.
Speaker 3: And like I said, you know, unless it's a permanent surgery,
Speaker 3: you can get off a train at any time. Please,
Speaker 3: like start. You're great with your s on screen, but
Speaker 3: you can start anything now.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I like my battle with myself when
Speaker 2: we've talked about this lots of times, is I'm like,
Speaker 2: I should be self accepting like you know, but you are.
Speaker 2: I think, you know what I mean, Like I should
Speaker 2: be like, this is life, right, this is what happens
Speaker 2: to us. And I like to look nice.
Speaker 3: Holly, you have the most glorious skin of any fifty
Speaker 3: three year old I've ever known.
Speaker 2: You look, but you do.
Speaker 3: I think that unfortunately a lot of women just see
Speaker 3: the floors or the changes, not a floor, but the changing.
Speaker 3: But I think if anyone met you and saw how
Speaker 3: radiant your skin was, and I'm sure when they do,
Speaker 3: they think, shit, i'd love to have her skin.
Speaker 2: Oh you're that's lovely. That brings me to ask you
Speaker 2: the question, do you feel beautiful?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 1: I think sometimes.
Speaker 3: I mean I think, yes, I do feel beautiful, but
Speaker 3: I don't always think I look beautiful.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got short hair.
Speaker 2: Now. I'm love your short hair.
Speaker 1: I cut it.
Speaker 2: You used to. When I first met Lee, she had
Speaker 2: long hair and she liked her long hair. Your long
Speaker 2: hair was a big.
Speaker 3: It was purity blanket, a lot like you. And then
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago I cut it really short
Speaker 3: and I loved it. And then because my husband's a
Speaker 3: red blooded Greek who just would like we do wear
Speaker 3: leather all the time, he said, oh, grow it long.
Speaker 3: You know, because I used to think once I cut
Speaker 3: my hair, I'm old and I've given up. And I
Speaker 3: loved it, and then I thought, okay, so I started
Speaker 3: growing it. It got to about here and I was like, no,
Speaker 3: I love it. I feel beautiful with short hair, and
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that I'm old and given up. But
Speaker 3: someone said to me on social media the other day,
Speaker 3: you know, they said, how do you manage to get
Speaker 3: more beautiful with age? And that was a lovely compliment,
Speaker 3: but I was like, what, like, oh yeah, like we're
Speaker 3: as women were told that we get less beautiful with age,
Speaker 3: and if we think of women like a banana or
Speaker 3: some ham in the fridge, then yeah, it gets worse
Speaker 3: with age. But if we think of us like you know,
Speaker 3: beautiful buildings or mantic furniture or whatever. But I've just
Speaker 3: never really thought that my most beauty was behind me.
Speaker 3: So that really made me think because I just I think,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe as a society and maybe I've contributed
Speaker 3: to this with my career. But I hope that Kelly
Speaker 3: and I both being you know, she's late thirties on
Speaker 3: your beauty, she's a mom. I'm forty three on new beauty,
Speaker 3: and I'm a mom in that we're not twenty two
Speaker 3: year old TikTok obsessed sort of. You know, we're aging
Speaker 3: people that it's not just for the youth, like you can,
Speaker 3: everyone can be beautiful and hopefully feel beautiful, and it's
Speaker 3: not like, oh shit, I've only just started skincare now
Speaker 3: and it's too late at any age.
Speaker 1: And also you don't need the skin care it feel beautiful.
Speaker 2: I love that answer. Thank you, Lee, Thank you for
Speaker 2: having us. It's been so different. Podcast helpful. Everybody is
Speaker 2: going to love you as they already do. Thank God
Speaker 2: for Lee Campbell. Now you too have her on speed dial. Metaphorically,
Speaker 2: you have her on speed dial when you're wondering whether
Speaker 2: or not you should do that thing. Let the beautician
Speaker 2: talk you into that next step where you should go
Speaker 2: to get your needles, whether you should do them or not.
Speaker 2: Hopefully now you feel a little bit better, just like
Speaker 2: I always do after I talk to my wonderful friendly.
Speaker 2: If you want to listen to more smart conversations about
Speaker 2: what happens to our faces we grow up, as I
Speaker 2: like to call it, scroll back in your feed to
Speaker 2: my conversation with Ali Daddo, which was called what have
Speaker 2: You Done to your Face? And it's very much about
Speaker 2: She's unlikely obviously she's not a beauty expert, but she's
Speaker 2: a woman whose value was very much held in her
Speaker 2: beauty because she was one of the most popular and
Speaker 2: famous models Generation X can remember. And she talks about
Speaker 2: the challenges of aging when your self worth is so
Speaker 2: index to your appearance and what she has and hasn't done.
Speaker 2: She takes a very different tach. It's really interesting, So
Speaker 2: go and listen to that one. And of course thank
Speaker 2: you for being here with me on MID. If you
Speaker 2: love this show, rate review, share, tell other people about it,
Speaker 2: we couldn't be happier that you're here with us. A
Speaker 2: massive thanks to our MID team. The excit secutive producer
Speaker 2: is Nama Brown, the senior producer is Grace Rouvray, the
Speaker 2: producer is Charlie Blackman, and we've also had audio production
Speaker 2: from Jacob Round. I'll see you next week.