WEBVTT - What Did You Pay For Your Face

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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<v Speaker 2>that this podcast is recorded on. What did you pay

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<v Speaker 2>for your face? There are serums, There are needles. There

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<v Speaker 2>are lasers and bright lights and things that look like

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<v Speaker 2>alien probes. There are vampire facials and red wine bats

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<v Speaker 2>and beef fat and bird pooh and salmon sperm, all

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<v Speaker 2>of which apparently are to be put in our skin.

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<v Speaker 2>A deep plane facelift, something called a bless a vigorous resurfacing,

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<v Speaker 2>a browlift, a necklift, and a little light lipole, all

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<v Speaker 2>of them shouting I can give you what you want,

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<v Speaker 2>your old face back. It's confusing because even if that

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<v Speaker 2>is what I want, a version of me that hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>lived as long and seen so much and insists on

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<v Speaker 2>showing it all off in the lines and dints and blotches,

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<v Speaker 2>Even if that is what I want, how do I

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<v Speaker 2>know if I will get it?

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<v Speaker 3>All?

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<v Speaker 2>These promises can't be trued? Can they? An ageless ideal

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<v Speaker 2>that only the wealthy and well connected can touch? How

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<v Speaker 2>brave and rich do I have to be to see

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<v Speaker 2>my old self looking back from my phone? And what

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<v Speaker 2>if what if I just move my blusher up an inch. Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Holly Wainwright, and I am mid midlife, mid family,

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<v Speaker 2>mid serum. When I'm having a face panic, when I

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<v Speaker 2>am standing in front of an ocean of products that

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<v Speaker 2>all promise to keep me young, tight, relevant, and bouncy.

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<v Speaker 2>Was I ever those things? That's a conversation for another time.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do something that you probably can't do. I

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<v Speaker 2>text Lee Campbell is this worth the money?

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<v Speaker 3>I ask?

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<v Speaker 2>Which one of these isn't bullshit?

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<v Speaker 3>I ask?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it possible this one will release my inner Gwyneth?

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<v Speaker 2>I type, and Lee always tells me the truth, which,

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of that last question is always no. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I met Lee years ago, gosh, I want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>like seven years ago ish. When I convinced her to

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<v Speaker 2>come and work at MoMA Mia. I wooed her in

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<v Speaker 2>a professional sense to come and help us be good

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<v Speaker 2>at beauty because she was a legend in the space,

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<v Speaker 2>a beauty editor for a very long time, beauty director

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<v Speaker 2>at Cosmopolitan, back when magazine beauty editors were wined and

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<v Speaker 2>dined and flown around the world by all the brands

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<v Speaker 2>advertising in the bursting, glossy pages. Then she was lifestyle

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<v Speaker 2>director at the Huffington Post, and then she came to

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<v Speaker 2>Mom and Mia, where she changed everything for us. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, Lee is the host of You Beauty and

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing to Wear, two lifestyle podcasts that are the cornerstone

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<v Speaker 2>of Mom and MIA's lifestyle stuff. And more than that,

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<v Speaker 2>she's a grou who now has her own brand, Prilo Beauty.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway back to me and in front of all

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<v Speaker 2>the delicious promises of the beauty world, Essentially, what I

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<v Speaker 2>always want to ask Lee is what works, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what she's doing here today. Whether you have a twelve

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<v Speaker 2>step skincare routine, a dorm on speed dial with all

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<v Speaker 2>the latest tweatments, or whether you still use the same

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<v Speaker 2>one pot of moisturizer you've had since you were twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Lee's going to tell us where to put our money

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to our faces, and she's going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell us all the things that she's tried. It's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to tell you. She got access to everything

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<v Speaker 2>way before everybody else, so she knows her stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's going to tell us what the craziest thing she's

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<v Speaker 2>ever done to her face is and what she's planning

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<v Speaker 2>to do so. Welcome to a judgment free zone. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the Nobs beauty world of my friend Lee Campbell. Lee,

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<v Speaker 2>you have been working in the beauty world for two

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<v Speaker 2>decades because you've been doing this your whole career, different ways,

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<v Speaker 2>different different levels. How do you feel about beauty now?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it an advantage or a disadvantage to know so

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<v Speaker 2>much as we change.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a complex one to answer because it's definitely two sided.

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<v Speaker 3>I think back when I started magazines, that's where I was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a Cosmopolitan magazine and there was maybe twenty

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<v Speaker 3>mastheads that were read by most Australian women.

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<v Speaker 1>There was not really the Internet.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it existed, but no, there definitely wasn't social media,

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<v Speaker 3>and there was usually a beauty one beauty head at

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<v Speaker 3>each magazine, and we went to all the events and

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<v Speaker 3>then wrote all the articles and told everyone what to

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<v Speaker 3>use and what not to use. So twenty women in

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<v Speaker 3>media and Australia, mostly white, telling everyone what to do

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<v Speaker 3>and not to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do, mostly white and mostly twenty correct.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, And so I think now, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>jumped to digital and now not that it's brand new,

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<v Speaker 3>but social media is great because it's the democratization of beauty.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we're seeing so many amazing faces and skin

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<v Speaker 3>types and hair types, and you know, concern and then

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<v Speaker 3>people who have that concern that you can relate to.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think beauty's good.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it has exploded to the point where it's

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly confusing and overwhelming and sometimes intentionally so. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's in a better place maybe than it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Or do we know too much? I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm in a good place that I know

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<v Speaker 3>what's bullshit and what's not. And it's I liken it

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<v Speaker 3>to someone trying to understand, like me trying to understand tennis.

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<v Speaker 3>When people are like I don't get it, what do

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<v Speaker 3>I And I'm like, you know, you just you do

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<v Speaker 3>your active and then you do that and they're like what.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when I watch sport, I'm like, love, why

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<v Speaker 3>is that a goal? So it's exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Why I wanted you to come on. So we're friends,

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<v Speaker 2>We are mid listeners, and I am one of the

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<v Speaker 2>luckiest women in the country because when I'm confused about

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<v Speaker 2>beauty or I'm standing in the chemist, I'm standing in

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<v Speaker 2>Mecca and I'm like, I literally can text Lee Campbell. Ye, now,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys can't do that. So I want to give

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<v Speaker 2>you a taste of what it's like. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>could listen to you Beauty, of course, and she shares

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<v Speaker 2>her knowledge all the time. But I want to give

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<v Speaker 2>you a taste of it. But before we get onto

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<v Speaker 2>some of that practical stuff, you told me how I

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<v Speaker 2>feel about the beauty industry, How do you feel about

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<v Speaker 2>beauty for you? Because I wonder how you've been living

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<v Speaker 2>and swimming in this world and looking at your face

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<v Speaker 2>and trying a million things like you get to try

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<v Speaker 2>everything for better for worse for twenty two years. Does

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<v Speaker 2>it make you very hard on yourself when you look

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<v Speaker 2>in the mirror or does it actually make you more

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<v Speaker 2>accepting because you're kind of like, I know what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the latter, I think. I mean, I think if

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<v Speaker 3>I was starting out in the beauty industry now in

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<v Speaker 3>my twenties, I might feel I mean, we didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>reverse phone cameras, we didn't have social media. We went

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<v Speaker 3>to work and our computer was a PC where you

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't take it home and do more work like a laptop.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think if I was starting out in beauty

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<v Speaker 3>media now, and I was young and naive and probably

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<v Speaker 3>more impressionable, it wouldn't be great. But I've aged with

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<v Speaker 3>the industry and now forty three, I know what's what,

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<v Speaker 3>I know what I might want to do. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>care enough really that much anymore to you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So it doesn't make you super self critical.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>No. I'm worry more about the younger people, younger people,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly with social media, and I think that's why there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of good rules in place.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, I just think it's getting a bit silly.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get to the stuff that is useful to

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners, because, as I've said, I want them to

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, no matter where you're at with beauty, whether

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<v Speaker 2>you put water on your face and a moisturizer or

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<v Speaker 2>whether you have a beautician and you're spending all the

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<v Speaker 2>dollar bills, I want us to talk about like what's

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<v Speaker 2>worth doing, what's not. Do you think there's one mistake

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously I'm like mistake in speech marks, because we

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<v Speaker 2>know there are no mistakes, right, but one mistake that

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<v Speaker 2>women make when they get older with them makeup. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>start with makeup.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember back at Cosmo interviewed Jessica Albers makeup artists,

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<v Speaker 3>Jessica Alba, I don't know how old, she's probably roughly

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<v Speaker 3>my age.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were saying that as we get.

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<v Speaker 3>Older, so maybe in Jessica Grabble was like twenty seven

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<v Speaker 3>at the time, women should lean away from powdered products

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<v Speaker 3>and switch to creams because a cream finished more mimics,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a skin texture, which is true, but a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of that then comes down to your skin type.

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<v Speaker 1>So I am combinations.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've still got very oily tea zone and then

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<v Speaker 3>quite dry out of face. But that's true in a

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<v Speaker 3>way in that obviously powders and I think generations like ours.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm in my mid forties, you're in your

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<v Speaker 3>early fifties. A lot of the formulas were powdery powders,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and thick textures. And then I think as

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<v Speaker 3>we perhaps get older and get more insecure or think

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<v Speaker 3>there's more things to hard, we put on thicker concealers

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<v Speaker 3>or foundations where we should be going backwards, because you

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<v Speaker 3>want to have thinner textures that are more sort of radiant, lightweight,

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<v Speaker 3>don't sit in fine lines, don't kind of highlight paws,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, a full coverage foundation is really going

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<v Speaker 3>to want to stay in those paws and really highlight them.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think less and creamier textures, and I think,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a general rule of thumb with hair color.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you've never had to color your hair.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I did it ly? Did you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I remembersed, I remembered listening to a podcast recently, actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Said that, but for the first time in my whole life.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, I know, but you followed this rule because

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<v Speaker 3>they generally say, go, you know, up to two shades

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<v Speaker 3>lighter or darker because it's closer to your natural coloring,

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<v Speaker 3>so it will be most flattering. Because if you do

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<v Speaker 3>go black or blonde or somewhere, you know that's really

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<v Speaker 3>far from your natural coloring. Oftentimes you feel washed out

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<v Speaker 3>or have to change your make up blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 3>which you might want to do, but it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to make life easier, more lightweight textures, creams, and then

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of go with your natural coloring.

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<v Speaker 2>Lee recommended a concealer to me recently, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've recommended on out loud because it was so cheap

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<v Speaker 2>and so good. But that was why you recommended it,

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<v Speaker 2>As you said, it's really light. So it's not because

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<v Speaker 2>I think I go to the you know that I

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<v Speaker 2>go to the makeup shop and I'm like, give me

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<v Speaker 2>something that will fill everything up, you know, and you're like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite is what you need to Yeah, so you

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<v Speaker 2>recommended this concealer to me.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Revolution Beauty. I think it's like twelve dollars

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<v Speaker 3>or fish and it's really light. Yeah. So's it's a

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<v Speaker 3>technically kind of like an Underreye illuminator and I wear that,

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<v Speaker 3>or there's one from Rare Beauty that I wear a

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<v Speaker 3>lot that's also just an Underreye illuminator. And it's just

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<v Speaker 3>almost like a serum that it's tinted. And I've recently

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<v Speaker 3>been researching I creams that are tinted because it's literally

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<v Speaker 3>a skincare product, but it's got pigment in it, because

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<v Speaker 3>the more I cake on there, the worse it looks.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also can't be bothered.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have a five year old, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have time to precisely conceal and then powder bits and

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<v Speaker 3>make sure the right bits are jury and the right

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<v Speaker 3>bits of powdery. Less he's more in terms of kind

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<v Speaker 3>of coverage. But that's not to say you shouldn't care

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<v Speaker 3>about makeup. You know, and if you love it, you

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<v Speaker 3>love it, right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the creamy thing is a great tip.

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<v Speaker 2>I put a powder on my face for all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I still do because I'm combo. But I've recently got

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<v Speaker 3>into cream blushes. I have a war blush because I

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<v Speaker 3>thought that it didn't suit me. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>maybe my face is losing some color, which kind of happens,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I'm having joy with cream blushes. But I

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<v Speaker 3>just don't think what worked for you ten years ago

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<v Speaker 3>it might still work for you when that's great. But

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<v Speaker 3>don't be afraid to change just because you're a certain

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<v Speaker 3>age or decade that you can't have fun with makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fun, we're color do what do you want?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think you have to spend a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money together? I mean, we just talked about that excellent

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<v Speaker 2>cheap concealer, but I wonder, if you know those lightweight,

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<v Speaker 2>creamy things, it is worth spending a bit of money.

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<v Speaker 2>You tell me, do you get what you pay for?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you are going to splurge on one or

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<v Speaker 2>two things, what's worth splurging.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, no, you don't get what you pay for. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you do. It's not that saying doesn't always apply.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's because there are companies that, you know, are

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<v Speaker 3>an overarching umbrella company that might own several brands within

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<v Speaker 3>the industry that are summer high in summer what we

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<v Speaker 3>call mass and then some are massediage, which is somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle, and oftentimes they share formulas and technologies

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<v Speaker 3>after a certain time period. Evolution Beauty, for example, not

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<v Speaker 3>sponsored by them. Don't even know who runs them. You

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<v Speaker 3>can get the right price on here, but I just

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<v Speaker 3>love that company. I have a feeling that it might be,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a diffusion brand from a more prestigious company

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<v Speaker 3>that has a lot of money. But no, you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to spend a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're like, I'll spend money on because for me

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<v Speaker 2>and I might be wrong, and you should tell me

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<v Speaker 2>if I am. I think it's base. I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I don't mind spending a bit on a good

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<v Speaker 2>sheerish foundation. I agree, I just find generally that seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be better quality.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, look I think it's going it's taking up

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<v Speaker 3>more real estate, and I think it's more costly to

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<v Speaker 3>keep trialing an error to find the right foundation or base.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, places like your Sophoras and your mechas

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<v Speaker 3>will give you a little sample pot that you can try.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, look, to be honest with you. Out of

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<v Speaker 3>the ten foundations I reach for and I try many more,

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<v Speaker 3>half are really affordable and half are really expensive. So

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<v Speaker 3>not always, not always, But I would say generally my

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<v Speaker 3>whole beauty routine. If I was not in my job,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd save my money for my skin care and go

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<v Speaker 3>more affordable in my make.

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<v Speaker 2>I cheaper makeup, more expensive skin care. Yes, okay, everyone

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<v Speaker 2>worries about wrinkles, and I'm even putting wrinkles inverted commas

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<v Speaker 2>because there's just lines on our face that we get.

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<v Speaker 2>But I heard Ray Morris say ages ago, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>stuck in my head that this and this is why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm spending my money on my base. But maybe this

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<v Speaker 2>is a myth. I heard Ray Morris say that actually

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<v Speaker 2>it's the uneven skin tone that's most aging rather than

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily lines. Now, if we are trying to avoid looking

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<v Speaker 2>old and inverted comics, do you think that's true? And

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<v Speaker 2>what do you do about that? In terms of skin care.

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<v Speaker 3>And make okay, so most aging, interestingly, is you mean

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<v Speaker 3>the perception of age to someone else's eye.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, which is true, let's be clear about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So there's been a lot of studies done that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of prove this opinion. However, it depends on the

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<v Speaker 3>demographic that you do, it on their ethnicity. So lighter

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<v Speaker 3>colored skins will show more uneven tone, pigmentation, hyperpigmentation, all

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<v Speaker 3>of that sort of stuff, but other races won't. And

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<v Speaker 3>so it really depends on who you're asking and who

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<v Speaker 3>whose opinion you care about. But yes, there's been studies

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<v Speaker 3>that have shown that, for the most part, an uneven

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<v Speaker 3>skin tone appears to age someone visibly more in someone

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<v Speaker 3>else's eyes than wrinkles too, And that's because wrinkles are

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<v Speaker 3>going to happen no matter what. Even if you were

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<v Speaker 3>a vampire that sat in a dark room for your

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<v Speaker 3>entire life, you would still get wrinkles thanks to moving

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<v Speaker 3>your face and eating and drinking and.

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<v Speaker 2>Just imagining this like really pissed off bampire is like

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<v Speaker 2>last time, I don't even laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>For right, And that's called intrinsic aging, and it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>happen no matter what you do, how good you are.

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<v Speaker 3>And then extrinsic aging is lifestyle factors like exposure to

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<v Speaker 3>the sun or even just UV diet, And when I

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<v Speaker 3>say diet, not dieting, I mean nutrition, menopause, and hormones

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<v Speaker 3>kind of falls into both because it's going to happen

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<v Speaker 3>to you no matter what. But also then what you

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<v Speaker 3>do around that all the reason why.

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<v Speaker 2>People get morepentation around perry and menopause.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, malasma, that's called malasma, and that often happens around

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<v Speaker 3>pregnancy or perry. Nutrition, I said, smoking and toxins like

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<v Speaker 3>your glass of wine. Not that I'm saying I don't

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<v Speaker 3>do that, I mean I do most of these things.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, photoaging is the aging of the skin. That's

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<v Speaker 3>when it's uneven, and that is all different types of pigmentation,

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<v Speaker 3>some spots, you know, all those things, and ninety percent

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<v Speaker 3>eighty to ninety percent depending on which study you read,

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<v Speaker 3>is caused by UV exposure. So if you don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to be perceived by yourself or someone else as aging

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<v Speaker 3>because of that sunscreen, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Our listeners, what's the answer.

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<v Speaker 3>It is always the answer, and it's never too late

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<v Speaker 3>to start. Do I wish I had a time machine

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<v Speaker 3>to go back and tell late twenty, early thirty or

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<v Speaker 3>oddly that just covering a face and leaving her chest

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<v Speaker 3>out isn't going to work. But yeah, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>can spend all the money you want on every single treatment,

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<v Speaker 3>every single serum product or whatever, but if you're not

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<v Speaker 3>wearing diligent sunscreen, you know, and or sun protection. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people don't love the feeling of sunscreen.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to reapply. There's hats, there's gloves,

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<v Speaker 3>there's lots of options, there's just being sensible. Don't spend

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred alls on a serum if you're not wearing sunscreen.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything good day. It's just throwing your money right down

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<v Speaker 1>the sink. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously, and we're going to talk about treatment, treatments

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<v Speaker 2>and what they call tweakments later. But there are things

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<v Speaker 2>that target obviously skin that skin tone and I guess

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<v Speaker 2>makeup wise, that's obvious. It's that's why it is important, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But as you say, don't go too thick, because that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't that's not the answer like that, Yeah, unless you

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Yeah, if you're going to put your money,

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<v Speaker 2>you said before that you would rather save your money

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<v Speaker 2>on the makeup and put it in the skin care

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<v Speaker 2>correct now, if you're not skincare literate, and there'll be

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<v Speaker 2>lots of listeners to this who are not. What is

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<v Speaker 2>the serum? And I don't necessarily mean the brand, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean the thing that does, the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you that's worth you getting, because it can be so overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 2>As you said at the beginning, you're like, they say

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<v Speaker 2>a four step process and the ten step process and

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<v Speaker 2>this and that and.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us what matters, Holly, Well, they're not just one.

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<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't that be lovely? We could all shut up shop

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<v Speaker 3>and everyone would go broke. It's not one size fits all.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why there is such a ginormous, overwhelming, confusing industry

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<v Speaker 3>that continues to evolve and confuse us all. So it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of depends on the concern you want to treat,

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<v Speaker 3>your skin type, whether or not you care, and even

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<v Speaker 3>your budget. And I can recommend some brands generally, but

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<v Speaker 3>I can run through, maybe like the three or four

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<v Speaker 3>main ingredients slash things that they do because what you

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<v Speaker 3>might want to target is not what I want to target,

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<v Speaker 3>or might not work on your skin because some skins

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<v Speaker 3>don't like some things and some do.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 3>Vitamin a is the umbrella term for your ret nulls,

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<v Speaker 3>your retinoids, and that's the single most studied active ingredient

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<v Speaker 3>in skincare. There's a billion papers about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And when people say because if you're again, if you're not,

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<v Speaker 2>literally if people say actives, this is what they mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's the serums and the potions that they're not

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<v Speaker 2>just like an ice moisturizer that feel good. Yes, they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually in there like getting shipped done.

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<v Speaker 3>They're evoking change in the skin somehow, like they're kind

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<v Speaker 3>of going in instead of giving a hug, they're giving direction.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like do this, whereas some other ingredients just hug

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<v Speaker 3>and say this, I'm comforting you.

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<v Speaker 1>You feel good?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So your vitamin a is retinolds, retinoids. It's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of an all rounder. It will do It stimulates colligens,

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<v Speaker 3>so it can help fade some acne depending on the severity,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, breakouts, also fine lines and wrinkles and uneven tones.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a really good or rounder.

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<v Speaker 3>And we use that at night and we always wear

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<v Speaker 3>su sprein in the morning because we do anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, as you'll hear some women get to

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<v Speaker 2>an age and go I went to the doctor and

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<v Speaker 2>ask them for retinal right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they've asked for a prescription form of vitamin A.

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<v Speaker 3>The name I cannot say on this podcast. But you

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<v Speaker 3>can get a script from your GP or your dermatologists

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<v Speaker 3>that you then use at home that's stronger. Then there's

0:19:17.047 --> 0:19:19.727
<v Speaker 3>stuff you're going to get at your price, Sline, Chemistruyre House,

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<v Speaker 3>Sephora Mecca, David Jones Meyer.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you if you're not doing that, you can

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<v Speaker 2>there's a very wide.

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<v Speaker 3>Range, huge wide range of you know, we call it

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<v Speaker 3>over the counter, which I guess in drug terms means

0:19:31.727 --> 0:19:34.087
<v Speaker 3>you normally have to ask a pharmacist, but in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of beauty and skincare, it means you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can just go into a shop and buy it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't do the prescription vitamin A stuff because it

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<v Speaker 3>you can't really use much else you have.

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<v Speaker 1>To build up to it. It's a lot, but a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of women do. Yeah, it's a big deal. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of women do.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't chop and change and use all the products

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<v Speaker 3>that I do if I did that. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of elegant formulas that you can just

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<v Speaker 3>get at the pharmacy. Yeah, so I'm a big fan

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<v Speaker 3>of vitamin A. Another one is vitamin C. So this one, yeah,

0:20:00.607 --> 0:20:00.847
<v Speaker 3>me too.

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<v Speaker 1>I use vitamin C every morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically it protects against the photoaging stuff we talked about earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>So imagine if your sun screen is one of you,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a best brand, and then vitamin C comes

0:20:10.967 --> 0:20:12.807
<v Speaker 3>along and they hold hands and go, yay, let's fight

0:20:12.887 --> 0:20:15.447
<v Speaker 3>this battie together. So you put your vitamin C on

0:20:15.527 --> 0:20:17.927
<v Speaker 3>in the morning before, you know, than your moisturize in

0:20:17.967 --> 0:20:21.007
<v Speaker 3>this unscreen. That's an antioxidant. It's going to help protect

0:20:21.647 --> 0:20:23.927
<v Speaker 3>for the future, but also help kind of undo a

0:20:24.007 --> 0:20:27.087
<v Speaker 3>bit of the stuff before. Not every skin or every

0:20:27.127 --> 0:20:30.527
<v Speaker 3>person likes vitamin C. Not good for sensitive Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 3>is a very very mild form of exfoliation because it's

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<v Speaker 3>an acid. Its other more gentle friend is vitamin B

0:20:36.567 --> 0:20:38.887
<v Speaker 3>or nicinamite, which kind of does a bit of everything too.

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<v Speaker 3>So that'll help fade your hyperpigmentation. It can else also

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<v Speaker 3>help the appearance of pores. My pores are getting bigger.

0:20:45.607 --> 0:20:48.047
<v Speaker 3>I don't think nicinimite is helping, but you know, studies

0:20:48.087 --> 0:20:51.327
<v Speaker 3>have shown it can. It can also kind of soothe inflammation.

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<v Speaker 3>And reduce redness. So it's kind of like if vitamin C.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you love my analogies I'm just coming out with.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I like the idea of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>give you a hug and then the things that are

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<v Speaker 2>in there like yelly, get shit done.

0:21:02.567 --> 0:21:04.087
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good way to think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So see, it's more of a yellow bee is more

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<v Speaker 3>of a hugger, but a quite a cheap And then

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<v Speaker 3>one more I want to explain because it's the most

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<v Speaker 3>common question I get, is harlaronic acid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I was going to ask this because I

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<v Speaker 2>know that this isn't true for everybody, but for me,

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<v Speaker 2>as I've a as I've gotten older, my skin's gotten

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<v Speaker 2>dryer and moisture, moisture. Moisture is my main concern.

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<v Speaker 3>But because harlaric acid has the word acid in it,

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<v Speaker 3>everyone thinks it's very active. It's not an active and

0:21:31.287 --> 0:21:33.567
<v Speaker 3>that it's going to exfoliate, and it's not. It's hydrating,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's names kind of really confusing us. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>a it's essentially just going to lock in all the

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<v Speaker 3>moisture so you can put it on in a serum

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<v Speaker 3>step and then you know other things. It's called a humectan,

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<v Speaker 3>So basically it kind of stops the environment from drawing

0:21:48.127 --> 0:21:50.407
<v Speaker 3>the moisture or your body from drawing the moisture out,

0:21:50.847 --> 0:21:52.407
<v Speaker 3>and it helps hold it in. So it's really good

0:21:52.447 --> 0:21:55.327
<v Speaker 3>for supporting the skin barrier, hydration, plumping, all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of stuff. But it's not about well, it's not

0:21:57.847 --> 0:21:58.527
<v Speaker 1>acids are bad.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't really overdo hyaluronic acid. No, it's a hugger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a hugger.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not hard. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And then we could get further into peptides and

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<v Speaker 3>all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I think for now, that's a very good explanation.

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<v Speaker 3>If I was new to skincare or you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to just start more of these kind of beyond

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<v Speaker 3>just sunscreen because I don't know how many times I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to say sunscreen, but a lot of sunscreen and moisturizer.

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<v Speaker 1>I would use for me.

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<v Speaker 3>A Vitamin C in the morning and Vitamin eight night,

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<v Speaker 3>or if I was sensitive, I'd use a Vitamin B in.

0:22:30.487 --> 0:22:33.647
<v Speaker 1>The morning and then some sort of vitamin at night.

0:22:33.727 --> 0:22:35.087
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I do. I feel like I should got

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<v Speaker 2>to pickick coming up. After the break, Lee breaks down

0:22:42.207 --> 0:22:45.087
<v Speaker 2>which beauty treatments are worth it and the ones she's

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to recommend, and why there are some the people

0:22:48.687 --> 0:22:54.407
<v Speaker 2>just can't talk about. If I have been using just

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<v Speaker 2>like a basic moisturizer from the chemist for years, which

0:22:56.807 --> 0:22:58.847
<v Speaker 2>lots and lots and lots of women do, and they

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<v Speaker 2>look bloody great, don't they. What might a good basic

0:23:02.767 --> 0:23:04.727
<v Speaker 2>one look like for a fortyish woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, look, you don't have to change if it's

0:23:07.047 --> 0:23:10.007
<v Speaker 3>not broke, you know, I told her and New Beauty.

0:23:10.087 --> 0:23:12.927
<v Speaker 3>Last year, I traveled and I accidentally, well, I took

0:23:12.967 --> 0:23:15.087
<v Speaker 3>this sample moisture is not used at my face, and

0:23:15.247 --> 0:23:16.927
<v Speaker 3>my face my skin was never better on that trip,

0:23:16.967 --> 0:23:18.287
<v Speaker 3>And when I got home, I realized it was a

0:23:18.287 --> 0:23:21.967
<v Speaker 3>body lotion that had a tiny bit of chemical expollian

0:23:22.047 --> 0:23:25.607
<v Speaker 3>in it. So, look, whatever works for you. Don't feel

0:23:25.647 --> 0:23:28.167
<v Speaker 3>the pressure to change or add or spend more money.

0:23:28.567 --> 0:23:30.287
<v Speaker 3>But if you do want to get you know, a

0:23:30.367 --> 0:23:33.167
<v Speaker 3>pretty simple routine. I would do some sort of cleansing

0:23:33.287 --> 0:23:36.447
<v Speaker 3>or removing of makeup pollution, and that's onscreen.

0:23:36.487 --> 0:23:37.047
<v Speaker 1>We talked about.

0:23:37.527 --> 0:23:39.847
<v Speaker 3>Optional is to treat, so that's usually your serum that

0:23:39.927 --> 0:23:42.407
<v Speaker 3>does one of those things we talked about before, hydrate

0:23:43.007 --> 0:23:46.087
<v Speaker 3>and then protect with your sunscreen, like it's that simple.

0:23:46.647 --> 0:23:48.447
<v Speaker 1>Some days I do more than that.

0:23:48.807 --> 0:23:53.167
<v Speaker 3>Oftentimes I do cleanse and some screen because I'm running

0:23:53.207 --> 0:23:55.047
<v Speaker 3>around no one's seeing me, or I'm with my son,

0:23:55.207 --> 0:23:55.967
<v Speaker 3>or I'm too tired.

0:23:56.567 --> 0:23:58.007
<v Speaker 1>So even if you have.

0:23:58.047 --> 0:23:59.607
<v Speaker 3>These things at home, you don't have to do everything

0:23:59.727 --> 0:24:01.607
<v Speaker 3>every single day and know the police aren't going to

0:24:01.647 --> 0:24:03.567
<v Speaker 3>come if you're sleep in your makeup and you don't.

0:24:03.407 --> 0:24:04.207
<v Speaker 1>Do all of the things.

0:24:04.767 --> 0:24:07.487
<v Speaker 3>You can't undo all your good work in one night

0:24:07.687 --> 0:24:11.167
<v Speaker 3>or one day. But a diligence skincare routine over time

0:24:12.087 --> 0:24:12.887
<v Speaker 3>is probably the best man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now, I know you're going to explain to me

0:24:15.887 --> 0:24:18.527
<v Speaker 2>why how you can and can't talk about these things

0:24:18.607 --> 0:24:20.287
<v Speaker 2>right that I'm going to ask you about next. Which

0:24:20.287 --> 0:24:23.327
<v Speaker 2>are things that you would go to a beautician or

0:24:23.407 --> 0:24:25.967
<v Speaker 2>and what is it called an esthetician let's just.

0:24:25.967 --> 0:24:31.687
<v Speaker 3>Say professional professional, like to like a medi spa type vibe.

0:24:32.207 --> 0:24:35.967
<v Speaker 2>And that can also seem really confusing a lot of

0:24:36.167 --> 0:24:38.807
<v Speaker 2>women who are not necessarily in skincare. They might get

0:24:38.807 --> 0:24:40.847
<v Speaker 2>a facial when they go on holiday, for example, right,

0:24:41.047 --> 0:24:44.207
<v Speaker 2>or like someone's got them a voucher, and in my experience,

0:24:44.327 --> 0:24:46.567
<v Speaker 2>those kind of facials feel lovely. They're big hugs.

0:24:46.887 --> 0:24:48.367
<v Speaker 1>They're big, they're big hugs.

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<v Speaker 2>But what you learn as you get older and you

0:24:51.247 --> 0:24:54.087
<v Speaker 2>and you're or maybe your eyes just open to all

0:24:54.207 --> 0:24:56.367
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that's out there, is a lot of people

0:24:56.447 --> 0:24:58.847
<v Speaker 2>are going to salons for not hugs.

0:24:59.167 --> 0:25:01.927
<v Speaker 3>Different their skin to be shouted out in very various

0:25:01.967 --> 0:25:03.047
<v Speaker 3>ways shout.

0:25:03.727 --> 0:25:05.367
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to throw some terms out and then

0:25:05.407 --> 0:25:06.847
<v Speaker 2>you're going to tell me why you can and can't

0:25:06.847 --> 0:25:09.887
<v Speaker 2>talk about what and what's what? But the kind of

0:25:09.967 --> 0:25:15.567
<v Speaker 2>things that I get offered when I go to a salon, laser, microdermabrasion, needling,

0:25:15.927 --> 0:25:19.247
<v Speaker 2>IPL I want you to tell me as honestly as

0:25:19.287 --> 0:25:22.087
<v Speaker 2>you can. Have you tried them all, what you think

0:25:22.127 --> 0:25:24.167
<v Speaker 2>are worth it, what you think are not.

0:25:25.327 --> 0:25:27.687
<v Speaker 3>Gosh, this is so complex, and I can see why

0:25:29.167 --> 0:25:31.927
<v Speaker 3>everyone's confused. I mean I'm even confused sometimes, and I

0:25:32.287 --> 0:25:36.247
<v Speaker 3>luckily know the resources to look it up. So nothing,

0:25:36.327 --> 0:25:39.447
<v Speaker 3>like I said before, nothing is going to replace a good, solid,

0:25:39.727 --> 0:25:44.167
<v Speaker 3>diligent at home routine unless you are very wealthy and

0:25:44.287 --> 0:25:46.287
<v Speaker 3>very famous and can get a facial every three to

0:25:46.367 --> 0:25:49.327
<v Speaker 3>four weeks, which would be lovely. I still wouldn't. I can,

0:25:49.407 --> 0:25:51.127
<v Speaker 3>I could get it for free if I wanted. I

0:25:51.247 --> 0:25:53.607
<v Speaker 3>don't care enough and I don't have the time. And

0:25:53.687 --> 0:25:55.647
<v Speaker 3>also I've gone back to liking the hug facial the

0:25:55.727 --> 0:25:56.847
<v Speaker 3>deep facial massage.

0:25:56.887 --> 0:25:59.167
<v Speaker 1>I don't want it. I don't want something that hurts anymore.

0:25:59.247 --> 0:26:03.087
<v Speaker 3>But there's two reasons why this is such a confusing

0:26:03.247 --> 0:26:05.847
<v Speaker 3>and hard topic to talk about and therefore hard for

0:26:05.927 --> 0:26:09.087
<v Speaker 3>women to find information, and therefore the whole industry feels

0:26:09.447 --> 0:26:10.927
<v Speaker 3>it in secrecy. And you think all your friends know

0:26:11.007 --> 0:26:12.807
<v Speaker 3>the secrets that you don't, and what are they getting

0:26:12.807 --> 0:26:14.207
<v Speaker 3>and why do they look so good? And why doesn't

0:26:14.207 --> 0:26:15.847
<v Speaker 3>anyone talk about this? And now I feel like shit?

0:26:16.527 --> 0:26:20.407
<v Speaker 3>So basically, I mean it also depends in your bubble.

0:26:20.487 --> 0:26:22.607
<v Speaker 3>I am in a very beauty bubble in that you know,

0:26:22.727 --> 0:26:26.127
<v Speaker 3>talking about anti wrinkle or fillers or whatever is very normal.

0:26:26.207 --> 0:26:28.287
<v Speaker 3>But I have friends that aren't in Sydney. They might

0:26:28.327 --> 0:26:31.487
<v Speaker 3>be rural or their teachers and doctors and no maybe not.

0:26:31.527 --> 0:26:32.367
<v Speaker 2>Got other things going on.

0:26:32.447 --> 0:26:35.367
<v Speaker 3>But then they're like, well people are doing what what?

0:26:36.447 --> 0:26:38.047
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, there is no

0:26:38.207 --> 0:26:42.367
<v Speaker 3>right or wrong. But basically Australia has very strict laws.

0:26:42.447 --> 0:26:45.487
<v Speaker 3>The Therapeutic Goods Administration which is the TGA prohibits some

0:26:45.647 --> 0:26:48.527
<v Speaker 3>sort of some forms of advertising. That's why you might

0:26:48.567 --> 0:26:51.327
<v Speaker 3>have seen a lot of content creators get really upset

0:26:51.367 --> 0:26:54.967
<v Speaker 3>about the fact that we can't now personally recommend sunscreen

0:26:55.127 --> 0:26:57.207
<v Speaker 3>because it falls into the drug category.

0:26:57.287 --> 0:27:00.287
<v Speaker 2>So you're actually not allowed on your social media platforms

0:27:00.367 --> 0:27:02.527
<v Speaker 2>to be this is the sunscreen I use and I

0:27:02.647 --> 0:27:02.847
<v Speaker 2>love it.

0:27:03.687 --> 0:27:04.167
<v Speaker 1>Allowed to know?

0:27:04.487 --> 0:27:06.527
<v Speaker 2>Are you allowed to go? I go to this salon

0:27:06.567 --> 0:27:07.967
<v Speaker 2>and I get this, this and this done.

0:27:08.047 --> 0:27:10.087
<v Speaker 3>See it depends on what that is. But with the

0:27:10.127 --> 0:27:13.407
<v Speaker 3>sunscreen thing, I can say this sunscreen is called this,

0:27:13.847 --> 0:27:18.007
<v Speaker 3>it is SBA fifty plus, it's tinted. But I can't

0:27:18.047 --> 0:27:20.447
<v Speaker 3>say I have oily skin and I find it really

0:27:20.487 --> 0:27:23.087
<v Speaker 3>great because it's not shiny and my makeup goes, you know,

0:27:23.167 --> 0:27:23.807
<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah.

0:27:24.127 --> 0:27:26.087
<v Speaker 1>However, other people can.

0:27:26.207 --> 0:27:27.807
<v Speaker 3>You know, there's eighty five thousand women in the New

0:27:27.847 --> 0:27:30.767
<v Speaker 3>Beauty Facebook group and they can share that information with

0:27:30.807 --> 0:27:34.207
<v Speaker 3>each other because that's not seen as advertising. So I

0:27:34.287 --> 0:27:37.607
<v Speaker 3>do think the TGA has really good intentions, particularly you know,

0:27:37.647 --> 0:27:40.567
<v Speaker 3>I have a niece who's nineteen and another one who's sixteen,

0:27:40.607 --> 0:27:42.207
<v Speaker 3>and I don't want them looking in a world of

0:27:42.247 --> 0:27:45.087
<v Speaker 3>social media where there's before and after is everywhere of everything,

0:27:45.167 --> 0:27:46.767
<v Speaker 3>and they think that that's normal and what they need

0:27:46.847 --> 0:27:50.007
<v Speaker 3>to do. But so ultimately I think it's good, but

0:27:50.167 --> 0:27:53.527
<v Speaker 3>it's then really tricky to find information or do your

0:27:53.527 --> 0:27:55.007
<v Speaker 3>own research if you want to have one of these

0:27:55.047 --> 0:27:55.527
<v Speaker 3>things done.

0:27:55.767 --> 0:27:57.687
<v Speaker 2>No, I think you explained it really well before. When

0:27:57.687 --> 0:27:59.487
<v Speaker 2>you're like, it makes you go, why won't people just

0:27:59.567 --> 0:28:02.327
<v Speaker 2>tell me? And part of it is because they actually can't.

0:28:02.767 --> 0:28:04.407
<v Speaker 1>Part of it is because they actually can't.

0:28:04.447 --> 0:28:06.807
<v Speaker 3>And so, you know, you might hear or see something

0:28:06.847 --> 0:28:09.087
<v Speaker 3>all over social media or your friends, and then you

0:28:09.327 --> 0:28:11.327
<v Speaker 3>go seeing one of these experts and we'll talk about

0:28:11.327 --> 0:28:12.447
<v Speaker 3>how to find a good one in a moment, but

0:28:12.487 --> 0:28:14.247
<v Speaker 3>then they recommend something else. You well, I've never heard

0:28:14.247 --> 0:28:15.567
<v Speaker 3>of that. You don't even know what you're talking about.

0:28:16.007 --> 0:28:18.967
<v Speaker 3>And it's because that other thing can't be advertised or

0:28:19.007 --> 0:28:21.127
<v Speaker 3>talked about. So, for example, we just talked about harlor

0:28:21.167 --> 0:28:24.247
<v Speaker 3>on a acid on your face in the serum form,

0:28:24.287 --> 0:28:26.967
<v Speaker 3>which can be talked about everywhere, but when it's used

0:28:27.007 --> 0:28:30.847
<v Speaker 3>as an ingredient in an injectible, that injectible can then

0:28:30.967 --> 0:28:34.767
<v Speaker 3>not be spoken about because injected harlor on a acid

0:28:35.007 --> 0:28:38.447
<v Speaker 3>is part of the schedule for drugs. But then there's

0:28:38.487 --> 0:28:40.247
<v Speaker 3>other things. Something I'm going to admit to having later.

0:28:40.327 --> 0:28:42.047
<v Speaker 3>The salmon sperm thing, which we'll get to, is not

0:28:42.127 --> 0:28:44.047
<v Speaker 3>class as a schedule for drugs, so I can tell

0:28:44.087 --> 0:28:49.567
<v Speaker 3>everyone about that. So it's incredibly confusing. And actually the

0:28:49.687 --> 0:28:53.167
<v Speaker 3>Therapeutic Goods Administration website parts that I look at are

0:28:53.247 --> 0:28:57.287
<v Speaker 3>written for media and or clinics, but it's great for

0:28:57.407 --> 0:28:59.807
<v Speaker 3>the regular person to have a look and understand whereby

0:29:00.887 --> 0:29:05.247
<v Speaker 3>why hasn't someone ever suggested this? And you know, clinics

0:29:05.327 --> 0:29:09.007
<v Speaker 3>can't even ask you on their online form, you know

0:29:09.407 --> 0:29:12.007
<v Speaker 3>you here to talk about X, Y and Z, because

0:29:12.007 --> 0:29:14.087
<v Speaker 3>that's considered advertising because you're prompting.

0:29:13.807 --> 0:29:19.047
<v Speaker 2>Them, right, So so question get around this little bit,

0:29:19.167 --> 0:29:21.927
<v Speaker 2>I know. So before we get onto injections, which we

0:29:21.967 --> 0:29:23.967
<v Speaker 2>will in a minute. Yeah, some of those things that

0:29:24.047 --> 0:29:28.447
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned before, Yes, laser micro invasion, needing IPL. Now

0:29:28.567 --> 0:29:33.407
<v Speaker 2>I've had IPL which I went to a clinic near

0:29:33.527 --> 0:29:38.807
<v Speaker 2>me for a facial like hug facial hug. I asked

0:29:39.007 --> 0:29:42.047
<v Speaker 2>them yes, directly about it, and so she's like, yep,

0:29:42.207 --> 0:29:45.167
<v Speaker 2>she's and they do both ye and she did. So

0:29:45.327 --> 0:29:47.487
<v Speaker 2>I have had three treatments of that. Great and what

0:29:47.607 --> 0:29:52.327
<v Speaker 2>happens in that and obviously is the zap you with lasers.

0:29:52.407 --> 0:29:53.127
<v Speaker 2>That's what they're doing.

0:29:53.407 --> 0:29:56.807
<v Speaker 3>Intense pulse light is not a laser, no, But like

0:29:57.087 --> 0:29:59.647
<v Speaker 3>further the layperson, yes, and you might have heard of

0:29:59.727 --> 0:30:03.007
<v Speaker 3>IPL for hair removal and also laser hair removal, but

0:30:03.127 --> 0:30:07.007
<v Speaker 3>lasers can also be for skin rejuvenation, as so can IPL.

0:30:07.087 --> 0:30:08.967
<v Speaker 3>But yes, basically you're probably trying to clear up some

0:30:09.007 --> 0:30:12.967
<v Speaker 3>red maybe some capillaries and some tone sun.

0:30:12.887 --> 0:30:15.887
<v Speaker 2>Spots and redness around my nose and that kind of stuff,

0:30:16.207 --> 0:30:20.247
<v Speaker 2>and it kind of hurts. Yeah, it kind of hurts,

0:30:20.527 --> 0:30:24.727
<v Speaker 2>and afterwards you look kind of scary. Who knows whether

0:30:24.767 --> 0:30:26.887
<v Speaker 2>it works or not, but I think you look beautiful.

0:30:26.967 --> 0:30:27.207
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

0:30:28.487 --> 0:30:30.687
<v Speaker 2>But like to me, that was something new and different.

0:30:31.207 --> 0:30:36.527
<v Speaker 2>It's expensive things, so that's why it becomes hard for

0:30:36.607 --> 0:30:38.607
<v Speaker 2>you to say, well, was it worth it? Like a

0:30:38.967 --> 0:30:40.727
<v Speaker 2>probably can't say whether or not you think it's worth it,

0:30:40.767 --> 0:30:41.367
<v Speaker 2>but also.

0:30:41.367 --> 0:30:44.167
<v Speaker 1>You can say, yeah, did it make you feel better enough?

0:30:44.447 --> 0:30:48.167
<v Speaker 2>I think it definitely yes, And I think it did

0:30:49.607 --> 0:30:51.367
<v Speaker 2>like one of them because back to what we said

0:30:51.407 --> 0:30:54.087
<v Speaker 2>earlier on about it's in my head that an even

0:30:54.207 --> 0:30:58.367
<v Speaker 2>skin tone is preferable, and I was noticing that my

0:30:58.487 --> 0:31:00.887
<v Speaker 2>skin tone was much less even, and I, you know,

0:31:01.807 --> 0:31:04.007
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's one of those things where there's

0:31:04.967 --> 0:31:06.927
<v Speaker 2>some people say there's no point to any of this

0:31:07.047 --> 0:31:09.727
<v Speaker 2>unless you're actually just gonna do the injector and stuff.

0:31:09.727 --> 0:31:11.607
<v Speaker 2>There's only so much you can do, And I'm like,

0:31:11.807 --> 0:31:14.807
<v Speaker 2>playing around the edges. Can you say whether you think

0:31:14.887 --> 0:31:15.607
<v Speaker 2>these things are worth it?

0:31:16.607 --> 0:31:18.687
<v Speaker 1>I think they're all worth it.

0:31:20.167 --> 0:31:22.487
<v Speaker 3>If you're doing it for the right reasons, if you

0:31:22.607 --> 0:31:26.167
<v Speaker 3>have the money, if you ultimately it's going to make

0:31:26.207 --> 0:31:29.087
<v Speaker 3>you happy. But your happiness doesn't depend on it, you know,

0:31:29.167 --> 0:31:31.847
<v Speaker 3>I think. I think the place you went to then

0:31:32.007 --> 0:31:34.327
<v Speaker 3>suggested micro needling or RF microedal, So.

0:31:34.607 --> 0:31:38.727
<v Speaker 2>Then that's the next suggestion. They said, why don't we

0:31:38.807 --> 0:31:43.087
<v Speaker 2>do micro needling next? And I'm like, that sounds expensive

0:31:43.807 --> 0:31:46.927
<v Speaker 2>and it is and it is Is that worth doing well.

0:31:46.887 --> 0:31:48.687
<v Speaker 1>For me to recommend to you.

0:31:48.807 --> 0:31:51.007
<v Speaker 3>I would have done either or, But also I don't

0:31:51.087 --> 0:31:55.527
<v Speaker 3>know where your comfort levels lie with invasiveness. So IPL

0:31:55.687 --> 0:31:58.727
<v Speaker 3>is like a zapp, whereas micro needling is breaking the skin.

0:31:58.807 --> 0:32:02.207
<v Speaker 3>It's a teeny tiny needle that they use all over

0:32:02.247 --> 0:32:06.207
<v Speaker 3>your face in various ways that pierces the skin. Microscoping

0:32:06.327 --> 0:32:09.607
<v Speaker 3>creates a micro wound. So that your skin goes help.

0:32:09.727 --> 0:32:12.687
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, collagen quick everyone to the surface, fix

0:32:12.807 --> 0:32:15.847
<v Speaker 3>it and then it kind of fixes the micro wound.

0:32:16.847 --> 0:32:18.807
<v Speaker 3>But that is piercing of the skin, and I you know,

0:32:18.887 --> 0:32:21.167
<v Speaker 3>it depends on every single person and woman as to

0:32:21.207 --> 0:32:23.567
<v Speaker 3>where their line is. But oftentimes people don't want to

0:32:23.607 --> 0:32:27.007
<v Speaker 3>have anti wrinkle or filler because it's piercing the skin

0:32:27.087 --> 0:32:33.327
<v Speaker 3>and using needles, and so it's an interesting thing to recommend,

0:32:33.487 --> 0:32:36.047
<v Speaker 3>oftentimes even offline to friends because they're like, oh, I

0:32:36.047 --> 0:32:37.767
<v Speaker 3>would never do that, Oh what have you done this?

0:32:37.967 --> 0:32:40.487
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, well, yeah, but like why would you

0:32:40.567 --> 0:32:41.287
<v Speaker 3>do that part? You know?

0:32:41.647 --> 0:32:43.727
<v Speaker 1>Where is your marriage? I know?

0:32:43.887 --> 0:32:46.887
<v Speaker 2>And you know what I've We've talked about this often,

0:32:46.967 --> 0:32:49.807
<v Speaker 2>but I haven't yet got anti wrinkle injections. But I

0:32:49.927 --> 0:32:54.847
<v Speaker 2>don't feel like ethically they're wrong or anything for me.

0:32:55.047 --> 0:32:58.287
<v Speaker 2>I'm more like, I worry about the slippery slope. Yeah,

0:32:58.727 --> 0:33:01.087
<v Speaker 2>and that's amazing. I've already started on the slippery slope

0:33:01.127 --> 0:33:01.367
<v Speaker 2>with mine.

0:33:01.407 --> 0:33:03.727
<v Speaker 1>But it's you can always get off the slope, That's true.

0:33:04.047 --> 0:33:05.007
<v Speaker 1>It is not a tattoo.

0:33:05.047 --> 0:33:06.927
<v Speaker 3>None of this is a tattoo, unless it's a tatoo,

0:33:06.927 --> 0:33:08.287
<v Speaker 3>which I've done to my lips, which I'll tell you

0:33:08.287 --> 0:33:11.127
<v Speaker 3>about in a minute. But none of it is really

0:33:11.207 --> 0:33:14.607
<v Speaker 3>permanent unless you're having cosmetic surgery, you know, on operation.

0:33:15.007 --> 0:33:18.887
<v Speaker 3>But I think what I would do if I was

0:33:18.967 --> 0:33:22.207
<v Speaker 3>confused and curious and obviously none of this needs doing,

0:33:22.367 --> 0:33:24.287
<v Speaker 3>you know, go back to your moisturize when sunscreen, like

0:33:24.327 --> 0:33:25.047
<v Speaker 3>we talked about before.

0:33:25.127 --> 0:33:27.287
<v Speaker 1>But I would go to a reputable place.

0:33:27.287 --> 0:33:29.887
<v Speaker 3>I would ask friends and family, ask in community groups

0:33:29.927 --> 0:33:31.647
<v Speaker 3>where you can, because there's a lot of research you

0:33:31.647 --> 0:33:33.887
<v Speaker 3>can't do on social media and online, and go to

0:33:33.967 --> 0:33:36.567
<v Speaker 3>them and say, hey, this concerns me the capillaries around

0:33:36.607 --> 0:33:39.407
<v Speaker 3>my nose or you know, the laxity under my chin.

0:33:39.847 --> 0:33:43.167
<v Speaker 3>Don't say everyone's getting pico laser or laser genesis or

0:33:43.207 --> 0:33:45.007
<v Speaker 3>fractional laser or HIFU or.

0:33:45.207 --> 0:33:46.967
<v Speaker 2>M face or god all these things.

0:33:48.807 --> 0:33:52.887
<v Speaker 3>Let them suggest something, and then if they're the type

0:33:52.887 --> 0:33:55.007
<v Speaker 3>of person that goes, hang on, oh yes, let's do X,

0:33:55.127 --> 0:33:57.127
<v Speaker 3>Y and Z and the whole outphabet, I would go,

0:33:57.247 --> 0:34:00.087
<v Speaker 3>thank you, goodbye and find somewhere else because they think,

0:34:00.207 --> 0:34:04.447
<v Speaker 3>you know, taking your insecurities about your looks too. A

0:34:04.567 --> 0:34:08.167
<v Speaker 3>professional should be handled with care and they shouldn't make

0:34:08.207 --> 0:34:11.007
<v Speaker 3>them worse, and don't I would always have a consult

0:34:11.087 --> 0:34:14.887
<v Speaker 3>walk away, think about, not have a treatment on the spot. Particularly,

0:34:14.927 --> 0:34:16.567
<v Speaker 3>you know with these more hardcore things, some of them

0:34:16.567 --> 0:34:19.887
<v Speaker 3>contain downtime. You know, your your face will be red

0:34:19.927 --> 0:34:23.567
<v Speaker 3>and peeling, and you know it's so varied. But I

0:34:23.607 --> 0:34:25.847
<v Speaker 3>would do my research before I do anything to my

0:34:25.967 --> 0:34:28.687
<v Speaker 3>face like that, and not unfortunately, because these things are

0:34:28.727 --> 0:34:31.447
<v Speaker 3>so expensive, don't always go for the cheapest because you

0:34:31.527 --> 0:34:32.847
<v Speaker 3>know a lot.

0:34:32.687 --> 0:34:35.327
<v Speaker 2>Of that true. I mean we've talked before just before,

0:34:35.367 --> 0:34:36.967
<v Speaker 2>when we touched on it. When it comes to anti

0:34:37.047 --> 0:34:41.527
<v Speaker 2>wrinkle injections and fillers, you can now because now they

0:34:41.567 --> 0:34:44.607
<v Speaker 2>are so common and widely available, you can there's a

0:34:44.727 --> 0:34:47.927
<v Speaker 2>massive price differential. There will be somebody who will share

0:34:48.007 --> 0:34:50.247
<v Speaker 2>a vile with you and it will be oh god,

0:34:50.327 --> 0:34:53.567
<v Speaker 2>please that cheaper than chips, or your hairdresser can do it,

0:34:53.687 --> 0:34:57.247
<v Speaker 2>or your dentists can do it. Can you give us

0:34:57.327 --> 0:34:59.607
<v Speaker 2>any advice about how to choose if you decide to.

0:34:59.767 --> 0:35:03.527
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So there's you know, two main brands, and they

0:35:03.967 --> 0:35:07.007
<v Speaker 3>are sold to the doctor or nurse at a unit price,

0:35:07.047 --> 0:35:08.407
<v Speaker 3>and then it's up to them what they charge on

0:35:08.487 --> 0:35:11.567
<v Speaker 3>top of that. And you can't compare apples for apples

0:35:11.567 --> 0:35:14.887
<v Speaker 3>because these two different brands, you use different amounts of units.

0:35:15.607 --> 0:35:17.527
<v Speaker 3>What you're paying for on top of that cost price

0:35:17.647 --> 0:35:21.567
<v Speaker 3>is usually the expertise of the injector and or the

0:35:21.647 --> 0:35:24.487
<v Speaker 3>rent in the suburb they're set up in, or their

0:35:24.567 --> 0:35:27.327
<v Speaker 3>marketing budget or whatever that might be. So again, there's

0:35:27.327 --> 0:35:29.527
<v Speaker 3>no hard and fast for all. I just wouldn't go

0:35:29.687 --> 0:35:31.327
<v Speaker 3>for one of those flash in the pandeals that you

0:35:31.447 --> 0:35:33.287
<v Speaker 3>sometimes see on a website that's at one of those

0:35:33.407 --> 0:35:37.167
<v Speaker 3>kind of burn and churtin places. If you've got, you know,

0:35:37.327 --> 0:35:39.367
<v Speaker 3>open and honest friends that have had these things, ask

0:35:39.447 --> 0:35:40.607
<v Speaker 3>them and.

0:35:40.687 --> 0:35:43.727
<v Speaker 2>If this is someone who think looks great, yeah, because

0:35:43.727 --> 0:35:46.487
<v Speaker 2>I think also a lot of women are. They think

0:35:46.927 --> 0:35:48.647
<v Speaker 2>if you don't know much about it, you think, oh,

0:35:48.687 --> 0:35:51.687
<v Speaker 2>if I get injections, I'm going to suddenly look like

0:35:51.887 --> 0:35:55.207
<v Speaker 2>one of the scary ladies. We used to put pictures

0:35:55.247 --> 0:35:58.887
<v Speaker 2>off with arrows in in magazines back in my time. Totally, yeah,

0:35:59.127 --> 0:36:02.887
<v Speaker 2>and we all know that now there's a whole world

0:36:03.047 --> 0:36:06.007
<v Speaker 2>of variety there. Yeah, but less is less, less is.

0:36:06.047 --> 0:36:07.847
<v Speaker 3>More, Yeah, So what I would do if it's your

0:36:07.887 --> 0:36:09.567
<v Speaker 3>first time and you're curious, and again and you can

0:36:09.607 --> 0:36:12.607
<v Speaker 3>walk away at any time before they've started, make sure

0:36:12.647 --> 0:36:16.367
<v Speaker 3>that they've given you a thorough price breakdown before. I

0:36:16.767 --> 0:36:18.127
<v Speaker 3>hear a lot of friends going oh, I went in

0:36:18.207 --> 0:36:19.687
<v Speaker 3>and they showed me, and they started, and then I

0:36:19.727 --> 0:36:21.647
<v Speaker 3>got to pay when I was blown, Oh my god.

0:36:21.687 --> 0:36:23.327
<v Speaker 3>I had felt sick about how much it would cost,

0:36:23.367 --> 0:36:24.647
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, you should have asked straight up.

0:36:25.087 --> 0:36:29.047
<v Speaker 3>But again, people feel vulnerable and they maybe haven't been

0:36:29.127 --> 0:36:31.167
<v Speaker 3>through the process and they're like, when are they going

0:36:31.247 --> 0:36:31.927
<v Speaker 3>to tell me the cost?

0:36:32.007 --> 0:36:32.647
<v Speaker 1>A minute it's over.

0:36:33.287 --> 0:36:35.487
<v Speaker 3>But a good practitioner, whether they're a nurse or a

0:36:35.527 --> 0:36:37.287
<v Speaker 3>doctor or wherever you're getting it done, will hold them

0:36:37.327 --> 0:36:39.087
<v Speaker 3>heror and say, you know, how do you feel about

0:36:39.127 --> 0:36:41.487
<v Speaker 3>this area? Or you say I don't like my elevens?

0:36:41.527 --> 0:36:43.727
<v Speaker 3>They're the bit between there or whatever it may be,

0:36:43.967 --> 0:36:45.847
<v Speaker 3>and they say, I suggest this and this and this,

0:36:46.247 --> 0:36:48.847
<v Speaker 3>and I would start with this. Generally, if it's your

0:36:48.847 --> 0:36:50.967
<v Speaker 3>first time, you should go back for a check two

0:36:51.047 --> 0:36:52.927
<v Speaker 3>weeks later and say hey, I really liked it, or

0:36:53.567 --> 0:36:54.407
<v Speaker 3>you didn't, it's not.

0:36:54.527 --> 0:36:55.207
<v Speaker 1>Enough or whatever.

0:36:55.647 --> 0:36:57.647
<v Speaker 3>But yes, if you're at a good reputable place, they

0:36:57.647 --> 0:37:02.487
<v Speaker 3>will always start, you know, low a quantity hopefully equals

0:37:02.527 --> 0:37:05.087
<v Speaker 3>lower cost, and then it's optional. If you go back

0:37:05.127 --> 0:37:08.447
<v Speaker 3>ever again, it will not destroy your muscles to the

0:37:08.487 --> 0:37:10.767
<v Speaker 3>point where you're will look older when it wears off.

0:37:10.847 --> 0:37:12.687
<v Speaker 3>It will just gradually wear off, and you will be

0:37:12.847 --> 0:37:15.847
<v Speaker 3>back to what we call natural aging as you were before.

0:37:15.887 --> 0:37:18.127
<v Speaker 3>It's not going to make anything drastically worse. It's not

0:37:18.247 --> 0:37:19.807
<v Speaker 3>a train you can't get off off. You can get

0:37:19.807 --> 0:37:20.807
<v Speaker 3>off at any stop you want.

0:37:21.007 --> 0:37:25.087
<v Speaker 2>I like that. There's so much more to my conversation

0:37:25.207 --> 0:37:28.927
<v Speaker 2>with Lee coming up next. She shares very transparently what

0:37:29.127 --> 0:37:31.847
<v Speaker 2>she has and hasn't done to her face. And yes,

0:37:32.367 --> 0:37:36.247
<v Speaker 2>we finally talk about seven sperm. Okay, so you can't

0:37:36.327 --> 0:37:39.927
<v Speaker 2>tell us what you would recommend, but can you tell

0:37:40.007 --> 0:37:41.007
<v Speaker 2>us the things you've tried.

0:37:41.247 --> 0:37:43.727
<v Speaker 3>I've tried pretty much everything. I mean, I've not had

0:37:43.767 --> 0:37:46.887
<v Speaker 3>plastic surgery like fate, like a face lift.

0:37:46.967 --> 0:37:51.767
<v Speaker 1>It's funny. Forty three and I now have four skins

0:37:51.807 --> 0:37:52.447
<v Speaker 1>on my eyelids.

0:37:52.487 --> 0:37:55.567
<v Speaker 3>I never had these before. I've got four skins. And

0:37:56.407 --> 0:37:58.567
<v Speaker 3>there's a surgery that can be done for that, a

0:37:58.607 --> 0:38:01.567
<v Speaker 3>plastic surgery, and I booked in for a consultation, and

0:38:01.767 --> 0:38:04.687
<v Speaker 3>as with any good surgeon, that if you're having some

0:38:04.847 --> 0:38:06.047
<v Speaker 3>form of plastic surgery, you have.

0:38:06.127 --> 0:38:07.887
<v Speaker 1>To have a referral from your GP. Is that an

0:38:07.927 --> 0:38:09.647
<v Speaker 1>eye lift, yes, bleff.

0:38:09.847 --> 0:38:11.567
<v Speaker 3>And the referral from the GP is not to say

0:38:11.767 --> 0:38:13.807
<v Speaker 3>Lee can't see therefore she needs to have this done.

0:38:13.847 --> 0:38:16.087
<v Speaker 3>It's to make sure that you're in good mental health

0:38:16.127 --> 0:38:18.247
<v Speaker 3>and that you don't have, you know, any sort of

0:38:18.287 --> 0:38:20.447
<v Speaker 3>mental health issues that may be causing you to want

0:38:20.447 --> 0:38:20.887
<v Speaker 3>this surgery.

0:38:20.967 --> 0:38:22.487
<v Speaker 1>And then I went to get the referrals.

0:38:22.607 --> 0:38:24.607
<v Speaker 3>I can't be bothered, Like I wasn't going to go

0:38:24.687 --> 0:38:25.967
<v Speaker 3>for the consort, and then I had to get the referral,

0:38:26.007 --> 0:38:27.247
<v Speaker 3>and then did I want the surgery? And I just

0:38:27.327 --> 0:38:30.047
<v Speaker 3>thought it was the natural course of Maybe that's what

0:38:30.087 --> 0:38:32.327
<v Speaker 3>I'll do because now I wanted to have my island circumcised.

0:38:32.367 --> 0:38:36.167
<v Speaker 1>But right now I can't be bothered. These new foreskins

0:38:36.207 --> 0:38:36.847
<v Speaker 1>are sticking with me.

0:38:37.287 --> 0:38:39.687
<v Speaker 3>Will I change that in a few years maybe, but

0:38:39.807 --> 0:38:41.327
<v Speaker 3>that would be something quite drastic for me.

0:38:41.767 --> 0:38:43.447
<v Speaker 1>I've tried most things.

0:38:43.687 --> 0:38:45.607
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I first was off at anti rinkle at

0:38:45.607 --> 0:38:47.767
<v Speaker 3>twenty seven when I was at Cosmo, and I went

0:38:47.847 --> 0:38:50.047
<v Speaker 3>and had it because yay, it was free and yay

0:38:50.127 --> 0:38:53.007
<v Speaker 3>everyone was doing it and I earned no money and

0:38:53.087 --> 0:38:54.847
<v Speaker 3>had no money. And then I look at some photos

0:38:54.847 --> 0:38:58.447
<v Speaker 3>from my early thirties and my god, I mean maybe

0:38:58.447 --> 0:38:59.567
<v Speaker 3>it was a look at the time, but I also

0:38:59.607 --> 0:39:01.847
<v Speaker 3>think I looked older or definitely weird.

0:39:02.687 --> 0:39:06.127
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of fun. Like everything, things go in and

0:39:06.167 --> 0:39:09.087
<v Speaker 2>out of fashion. Yeah, so the big, shiny, very smooth

0:39:10.247 --> 0:39:11.967
<v Speaker 2>was a big thing for a while, but now it

0:39:12.047 --> 0:39:14.607
<v Speaker 2>feels like people are a bit more. I want some movement.

0:39:14.687 --> 0:39:16.567
<v Speaker 2>I will smoothed this, but have that.

0:39:16.807 --> 0:39:19.247
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's definitely subsets, and there's no right wrong.

0:39:19.287 --> 0:39:21.047
<v Speaker 3>Whatever makes you feel great. But I also think now

0:39:21.087 --> 0:39:24.687
<v Speaker 3>at my mid forties, I don't care as much. And

0:39:24.807 --> 0:39:27.567
<v Speaker 3>also I think it was maybe making me look ageless,

0:39:27.687 --> 0:39:30.207
<v Speaker 3>but not in a good way, in a like could

0:39:30.287 --> 0:39:33.527
<v Speaker 3>be sixty, could be thirty, And I don't care as much.

0:39:34.447 --> 0:39:36.287
<v Speaker 3>But I've had lots of things things I can talk about.

0:39:36.287 --> 0:39:38.607
<v Speaker 3>A couple of years ago, I got my lips tattooed

0:39:38.647 --> 0:39:41.407
<v Speaker 3>on my lip color, which is called lip blushing.

0:39:42.007 --> 0:39:43.167
<v Speaker 2>Is that right now?

0:39:43.647 --> 0:39:44.367
<v Speaker 3>That? Yeah?

0:39:44.487 --> 0:39:45.607
<v Speaker 2>And how long does that last?

0:39:45.887 --> 0:39:47.967
<v Speaker 3>So I had it done three years ago. You meant

0:39:48.007 --> 0:39:50.447
<v Speaker 3>to have a top up six weeks later, but I

0:39:50.567 --> 0:39:53.487
<v Speaker 3>flew to Queensland to a woman I'd followed on social

0:39:53.527 --> 0:39:56.487
<v Speaker 3>media for a long time, and I couldn't be bothered

0:39:56.527 --> 0:39:59.007
<v Speaker 3>flying up six weeks later. I liked her work, but

0:39:59.047 --> 0:40:00.887
<v Speaker 3>I didn't really look that much into the process. So

0:40:01.007 --> 0:40:04.047
<v Speaker 3>I was on the Gold Coast for a holiday and

0:40:04.167 --> 0:40:05.927
<v Speaker 3>I had my toddler with me at the time, and

0:40:06.007 --> 0:40:07.167
<v Speaker 3>my husband and I said, I've got to got a

0:40:07.207 --> 0:40:08.527
<v Speaker 3>quick meeting. I'll meet you at dinner. And my meeting

0:40:08.647 --> 0:40:11.127
<v Speaker 3>was to get my lips and I didn't take into

0:40:11.127 --> 0:40:13.287
<v Speaker 3>account the swelling. So I turned up to dinner. I

0:40:13.407 --> 0:40:14.687
<v Speaker 3>was so incredibly swollen.

0:40:15.487 --> 0:40:18.367
<v Speaker 1>And how did your husband say? He said, how is

0:40:18.407 --> 0:40:18.847
<v Speaker 1>your meeting?

0:40:18.927 --> 0:40:20.647
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I got my lipsat And it's like,

0:40:21.167 --> 0:40:23.447
<v Speaker 3>you know how everyone calls it getting collagen in your lips,

0:40:23.487 --> 0:40:24.647
<v Speaker 3>like we used to call that in the eighties.

0:40:24.847 --> 0:40:26.247
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, No, I didn't get lip filler.

0:40:26.247 --> 0:40:29.167
<v Speaker 3>It's they're just swollen. And I did document and there's

0:40:29.207 --> 0:40:31.087
<v Speaker 3>a whole New Bidy episode about it. But this is

0:40:31.367 --> 0:40:35.047
<v Speaker 3>three years later. No top up, and it's just because

0:40:35.127 --> 0:40:36.887
<v Speaker 3>my lips very much blended into my skin.

0:40:36.967 --> 0:40:38.767
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have much of lick pigment. So I just

0:40:38.807 --> 0:40:41.367
<v Speaker 1>wanted my lips are better. Am I do a top up? Yes?

0:40:41.407 --> 0:40:43.207
<v Speaker 3>Am I going to get it done? No, can't be bothered.

0:40:43.367 --> 0:40:45.927
<v Speaker 3>It still looks good though, Yeah, it's fine. I mean

0:40:45.967 --> 0:40:47.887
<v Speaker 3>it's pretty patchy if you're a cup close. And another

0:40:47.927 --> 0:40:49.767
<v Speaker 3>thing I've had, which I can talk about it, which

0:40:49.807 --> 0:40:52.007
<v Speaker 3>blows my mind is what's called redurant and you might

0:40:52.087 --> 0:40:56.207
<v Speaker 3>see this everywhere at the moment or aka salmon sperm injections.

0:40:56.407 --> 0:40:58.127
<v Speaker 2>Salmon sperm, Yeah, what's that?

0:40:58.447 --> 0:41:04.847
<v Speaker 3>It's not real salmon sperm. It's a protein amino acid

0:41:04.927 --> 0:41:09.167
<v Speaker 3>enzyme thinking that's cultivated from Like, you're not injecting sam

0:41:09.327 --> 0:41:13.647
<v Speaker 3>and semen into your face. In Australia, it's classed as

0:41:13.727 --> 0:41:18.927
<v Speaker 3>a regulated medical device but not a Grade four drugs,

0:41:18.967 --> 0:41:20.607
<v Speaker 3>so therefore we can talk about it. What does it do?

0:41:20.927 --> 0:41:22.687
<v Speaker 3>So I had it to under my eyes. People are

0:41:22.687 --> 0:41:24.967
<v Speaker 3>having it all over their face. Some people are having

0:41:25.007 --> 0:41:27.247
<v Speaker 3>it in the hands. It's basically just you don't need it.

0:41:27.647 --> 0:41:29.807
<v Speaker 1>No one needs it. I paid for price.

0:41:29.967 --> 0:41:31.007
<v Speaker 2>It arobably needs any of this.

0:41:31.167 --> 0:41:33.887
<v Speaker 1>But if I am a chronic eye rubber every morning

0:41:33.967 --> 0:41:34.887
<v Speaker 1>I love to rub.

0:41:34.807 --> 0:41:37.527
<v Speaker 2>My insomniac, well, it's on the rack, Yes it is.

0:41:37.727 --> 0:41:39.647
<v Speaker 3>And that's why I could never have lush accent as

0:41:39.647 --> 0:41:41.367
<v Speaker 3>anymore because I love rubbing my eyes to the point

0:41:41.367 --> 0:41:43.287
<v Speaker 3>where it really hurts. And I said that once on

0:41:43.407 --> 0:41:46.647
<v Speaker 3>new beauty and then an optometrist message means that that's

0:41:46.727 --> 0:41:48.687
<v Speaker 3>really bad, and I was like, I'm sure it's bad

0:41:48.687 --> 0:41:50.447
<v Speaker 3>for my eyes, but my skin under my eyes was

0:41:50.487 --> 0:41:53.567
<v Speaker 3>incredibly creepy. Still, it's you have numbing cream and then

0:41:53.607 --> 0:41:58.367
<v Speaker 3>they do little, little little injections of this substance and

0:41:58.447 --> 0:42:00.647
<v Speaker 3>then you have little welts for a few days, and

0:42:00.727 --> 0:42:03.887
<v Speaker 3>then it goes away and it just kind of strengthens

0:42:03.967 --> 0:42:06.527
<v Speaker 3>the barrier. It's like a big, big, big hard you're

0:42:06.527 --> 0:42:10.087
<v Speaker 3>putting inside. But a lot of people prefer to layer

0:42:10.127 --> 0:42:11.087
<v Speaker 3>a hug on topically.

0:42:11.167 --> 0:42:11.567
<v Speaker 2>I get that.

0:42:11.727 --> 0:42:14.247
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of people's barrier and rightly so

0:42:14.447 --> 0:42:17.767
<v Speaker 3>is injecting things. Having said that, I do think the

0:42:17.807 --> 0:42:19.447
<v Speaker 3>future of beauty in the next five to ten years

0:42:19.567 --> 0:42:23.287
<v Speaker 3>is injectible or ingestible, mostly only because our skin is

0:42:23.447 --> 0:42:25.767
<v Speaker 3>such a clever organ It is here to hold everything

0:42:25.847 --> 0:42:28.567
<v Speaker 3>in and keep everything out and be like, don't come

0:42:28.647 --> 0:42:31.007
<v Speaker 3>here and make us sick or make us whatever. So

0:42:31.247 --> 0:42:33.527
<v Speaker 3>what we apply topically can work to a degree, but

0:42:33.647 --> 0:42:36.567
<v Speaker 3>anything we ingest or inject is going straight in there.

0:42:36.807 --> 0:42:39.767
<v Speaker 2>So really, when people say, and I know, as we've

0:42:39.807 --> 0:42:41.847
<v Speaker 2>discussed what you can and can't say, but when people

0:42:41.887 --> 0:42:43.727
<v Speaker 2>say there's only so much you can do with a cream.

0:42:43.767 --> 0:42:44.367
<v Speaker 2>That's what they mean.

0:42:44.487 --> 0:42:46.607
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly right, And that's because your skin is like, hey,

0:42:47.887 --> 0:42:50.567
<v Speaker 3>i'm hearing the shouting. I'll take it to the next

0:42:50.647 --> 0:42:52.607
<v Speaker 3>guy in the line, but the leader's right down the back.

0:42:52.687 --> 0:42:55.007
<v Speaker 3>That like when you can't you get there.

0:42:55.087 --> 0:42:57.567
<v Speaker 2>And when you say ingestible, you mean so for example,

0:42:58.127 --> 0:43:00.647
<v Speaker 2>collagen gummies and I have a big jar of them

0:43:00.687 --> 0:43:03.447
<v Speaker 2>and I always forget to take them. Is that worth doing?

0:43:03.807 --> 0:43:04.007
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:43:04.047 --> 0:43:04.607
<v Speaker 2>Can you say?

0:43:04.807 --> 0:43:05.687
<v Speaker 1>I can say yeah.

0:43:05.767 --> 0:43:09.447
<v Speaker 3>So I'm a big fan of collagen supplement. I was

0:43:09.527 --> 0:43:11.407
<v Speaker 3>on and off for a long time and then I

0:43:11.487 --> 0:43:14.247
<v Speaker 3>felt very old all of a sudden, and I thought, well,

0:43:14.287 --> 0:43:16.527
<v Speaker 3>that's in my kitchen, and I buy it and it

0:43:16.607 --> 0:43:22.367
<v Speaker 3>takes no time. So studies are still ongoing, but very promising.

0:43:22.407 --> 0:43:25.287
<v Speaker 3>If you asked media or researchers five years ago, they

0:43:25.327 --> 0:43:27.167
<v Speaker 3>were saying, oh, it's all a load of whatever. But

0:43:28.167 --> 0:43:32.047
<v Speaker 3>I've seen many doctors and dietitians because essentially it's something

0:43:32.047 --> 0:43:33.167
<v Speaker 3>you ingest it's part of your diet.

0:43:33.567 --> 0:43:34.207
<v Speaker 1>Do a backflip.

0:43:34.287 --> 0:43:38.487
<v Speaker 3>And unfortunately with things like this, because not unfortunately, but

0:43:38.567 --> 0:43:42.047
<v Speaker 3>because it's so low on the study list of things

0:43:42.127 --> 0:43:43.687
<v Speaker 3>we should be studying, you know, cures for others.

0:43:43.767 --> 0:43:46.167
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, like that's curing diseases.

0:43:46.367 --> 0:43:49.927
<v Speaker 3>Yes, studies done by the companies themselves need to be

0:43:49.967 --> 0:43:52.007
<v Speaker 3>funded by them for someone to pay for it, which

0:43:52.007 --> 0:43:53.767
<v Speaker 3>I think is fine, but they're still all verified and

0:43:53.847 --> 0:43:59.327
<v Speaker 3>completely legit, and so ingesting collagen definitely does help not

0:43:59.607 --> 0:44:02.767
<v Speaker 3>just your skin, hair and nails, but your joints. You know,

0:44:02.847 --> 0:44:04.927
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of other things because your collagen declines

0:44:05.007 --> 0:44:05.967
<v Speaker 3>rapidly as you age.

0:44:06.527 --> 0:44:07.287
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to do it.

0:44:07.527 --> 0:44:07.887
<v Speaker 3>I do it.

0:44:07.927 --> 0:44:09.807
<v Speaker 1>I have one Sasha in my water every morning, along

0:44:09.847 --> 0:44:10.087
<v Speaker 1>with some.

0:44:10.127 --> 0:44:13.327
<v Speaker 3>Sort of electrolyte things because apparently I'm lowing that and.

0:44:13.407 --> 0:44:13.727
<v Speaker 2>Off I go.

0:44:13.847 --> 0:44:14.767
<v Speaker 1>It's no extra effort.

0:44:14.887 --> 0:44:17.807
<v Speaker 3>And I hate it in a way because now I

0:44:17.847 --> 0:44:19.447
<v Speaker 3>have a short bob and I'm one hundred percent gray.

0:44:19.687 --> 0:44:21.527
<v Speaker 3>I have to cover my grays at home every day day.

0:44:21.527 --> 0:44:22.287
<v Speaker 2>It's growing faster.

0:44:22.807 --> 0:44:24.727
<v Speaker 3>Yes, my hair grows so fast, and my nails grow

0:44:24.767 --> 0:44:26.687
<v Speaker 3>too fast, and I spoke about I cut them two

0:44:26.767 --> 0:44:29.887
<v Speaker 3>days ago, not getting my nails done. But it's good

0:44:29.927 --> 0:44:32.007
<v Speaker 3>for my skin. And the only reason I'm so diligent

0:44:32.287 --> 0:44:33.767
<v Speaker 3>now is because I was like, oh, that's all a

0:44:33.807 --> 0:44:34.207
<v Speaker 3>lot of shit.

0:44:34.207 --> 0:44:34.767
<v Speaker 1>I don't have time.

0:44:35.167 --> 0:44:37.607
<v Speaker 3>And when I stopped, I was like, oh, okay, we

0:44:37.767 --> 0:44:39.167
<v Speaker 3>was doing something interesting.

0:44:39.287 --> 0:44:40.447
<v Speaker 2>So you've done a control on that.

0:44:40.767 --> 0:44:40.927
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:44:42.207 --> 0:44:46.127
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that we women worry about, apart

0:44:46.167 --> 0:44:48.367
<v Speaker 2>from the skin, you know, wrinkles, blah blah blah, is

0:44:48.487 --> 0:44:51.767
<v Speaker 2>we get droopy right now? I'm very self conscious about

0:44:51.887 --> 0:44:53.447
<v Speaker 2>my softening chin line.

0:44:54.127 --> 0:44:55.367
<v Speaker 1>Your four skins on your eye lids.

0:44:55.447 --> 0:44:57.647
<v Speaker 2>Yes, my four skins on my eyelids, all of those things.

0:44:58.207 --> 0:45:01.007
<v Speaker 2>Is there stuff you can do about like the turkey

0:45:01.087 --> 0:45:04.567
<v Speaker 2>neck and stuff that isn't a full on facelift? Is

0:45:04.647 --> 0:45:05.767
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that works for.

0:45:07.247 --> 0:45:12.447
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's not a facelift, but that involves a clinic

0:45:12.927 --> 0:45:16.407
<v Speaker 3>and money usually. I mean, there's not a huge amount

0:45:16.447 --> 0:45:19.447
<v Speaker 3>you can do at home if that's what you're asking.

0:45:19.327 --> 0:45:22.407
<v Speaker 2>Sleeping people do.

0:45:23.527 --> 0:45:25.927
<v Speaker 3>To be honest, Yeah, that you will see a lot

0:45:25.967 --> 0:45:28.047
<v Speaker 3>of especially coming out of you know, the k Beauty

0:45:28.047 --> 0:45:29.927
<v Speaker 3>and JBD Kreen and beauty trends. There's a lot of

0:45:30.127 --> 0:45:33.127
<v Speaker 3>like neck lifting masks that fit around your your ears.

0:45:33.527 --> 0:45:36.287
<v Speaker 3>There's definitely professional options that you can have that I'm

0:45:36.367 --> 0:45:39.087
<v Speaker 3>not going to involve surgery, but you can't really do

0:45:39.127 --> 0:45:44.447
<v Speaker 3>it at home. Facial firm, facial massage, a guacha can

0:45:44.567 --> 0:45:47.207
<v Speaker 3>help feels really nice. Is just generally good for blood

0:45:47.247 --> 0:45:49.527
<v Speaker 3>flow and oxygen to the skin, so it can just

0:45:49.607 --> 0:45:52.327
<v Speaker 3>help you glow as well. But if you're asking if

0:45:52.367 --> 0:45:55.207
<v Speaker 3>there's a quick fix to reverse gravity by ten years,

0:45:55.247 --> 0:45:59.087
<v Speaker 3>gravity is always going to be stronger than a cream unfortunately,

0:46:00.167 --> 0:46:00.487
<v Speaker 3>So no.

0:46:01.127 --> 0:46:06.007
<v Speaker 2>And facelifts, right, Suddenly, I hear the term facelift around

0:46:06.687 --> 0:46:08.487
<v Speaker 2>in a way that I don't think, maybe this is

0:46:08.527 --> 0:46:10.567
<v Speaker 2>my age, but I hear that are women in their

0:46:10.647 --> 0:46:13.927
<v Speaker 2>forties really getting face lift? Yes, but you're seeing them

0:46:13.967 --> 0:46:16.807
<v Speaker 2>on social media, like people quite proudly showing off there.

0:46:17.127 --> 0:46:19.247
<v Speaker 3>That's the interesting thing about social media too, is that

0:46:19.287 --> 0:46:21.247
<v Speaker 3>it's global, so there are a lot of countries that

0:46:21.367 --> 0:46:26.087
<v Speaker 3>can and do advertise their whereas in terms of surgery,

0:46:26.247 --> 0:46:29.687
<v Speaker 3>so you'll see a lot out of career. Turkey's very popular. Yes,

0:46:29.887 --> 0:46:32.407
<v Speaker 3>I mean I can't vouch for all those people, but yes,

0:46:32.447 --> 0:46:35.487
<v Speaker 3>people are getting facelifts or half facelifts. But you and

0:46:35.607 --> 0:46:37.927
<v Speaker 3>I thinking of the sort of celebrity that went away

0:46:37.967 --> 0:46:39.407
<v Speaker 3>and then came out and looked like they were permanently

0:46:39.407 --> 0:46:41.047
<v Speaker 3>stuck in a wind tunnel, you know, from the eighties.

0:46:41.767 --> 0:46:45.887
<v Speaker 3>These surgeries are absolutely a surgery there. Even though they're elective,

0:46:45.887 --> 0:46:48.087
<v Speaker 3>they're an operation and they carry great risk and everyone

0:46:48.087 --> 0:46:52.247
<v Speaker 3>should consider that obviously, But they're very subtle. There's very

0:46:52.247 --> 0:46:56.527
<v Speaker 3>little downtime. You probably might think that someone has had,

0:46:56.887 --> 0:46:59.447
<v Speaker 3>you know, some of these lasers or anti wrinkle that

0:46:59.647 --> 0:47:01.647
<v Speaker 3>may have had a facelift or a mini facelift or

0:47:01.847 --> 0:47:06.527
<v Speaker 3>half facelift, because it's so subtle these days. That's not

0:47:06.607 --> 0:47:09.127
<v Speaker 3>to say it's not serious. What I consider one not

0:47:09.567 --> 0:47:10.487
<v Speaker 3>ask me in ten years.

0:47:10.567 --> 0:47:11.607
<v Speaker 1>But no, I don't know.

0:47:11.967 --> 0:47:14.087
<v Speaker 3>I don't know it literally like it feels like Nicholas

0:47:14.127 --> 0:47:16.367
<v Speaker 3>Cage and face off to me, even though the process

0:47:16.487 --> 0:47:19.127
<v Speaker 3>is nothing like that. I just think I'm of the

0:47:19.207 --> 0:47:22.527
<v Speaker 3>age where it was such a basically.

0:47:22.567 --> 0:47:24.567
<v Speaker 2>A big cut in the hooks your face background.

0:47:24.767 --> 0:47:27.607
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it's really not like that anymore.

0:47:27.727 --> 0:47:33.127
<v Speaker 3>But if someone is graduating to that, there's many, many, many, many,

0:47:33.167 --> 0:47:36.567
<v Speaker 3>many steps prior. But if that's something you want to do,

0:47:36.687 --> 0:47:38.687
<v Speaker 3>go for it. But I you know, there's plenty of

0:47:38.727 --> 0:47:40.847
<v Speaker 3>things that I have the opportunity to try, or could

0:47:40.887 --> 0:47:42.767
<v Speaker 3>afford to try, that I would try before doing that.

0:47:43.327 --> 0:47:45.727
<v Speaker 2>Do I know you probably can't answer this fully, but

0:47:46.047 --> 0:47:50.247
<v Speaker 2>you know, we all compare ourselves to the beautiful, whether

0:47:50.287 --> 0:47:52.527
<v Speaker 2>they're celebrities or just women we see around or on

0:47:52.607 --> 0:47:55.487
<v Speaker 2>social media who do seem to have a lot of

0:47:55.567 --> 0:47:59.367
<v Speaker 2>high maintenance stuff going on. If you had to ballpark it,

0:47:59.927 --> 0:48:02.967
<v Speaker 2>how much money does it cost to have that level

0:48:03.047 --> 0:48:03.687
<v Speaker 2>of upkeep?

0:48:03.847 --> 0:48:06.407
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I mean the old less question, yes, but.

0:48:06.447 --> 0:48:08.687
<v Speaker 2>I mean between so if you were going for your

0:48:08.727 --> 0:48:12.047
<v Speaker 2>regular and injections and regular resurfacing in the good yeah,

0:48:12.407 --> 0:48:12.967
<v Speaker 2>like what just.

0:48:13.127 --> 0:48:15.687
<v Speaker 1>And diet and exercise? Are we talking about having a time?

0:48:16.207 --> 0:48:16.247
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:48:16.607 --> 0:48:19.207
<v Speaker 3>Well, look, I think you know these aaaa A list

0:48:19.287 --> 0:48:23.247
<v Speaker 3>celebrities are having these people come to their house constantly.

0:48:23.367 --> 0:48:25.527
<v Speaker 3>You know, they would have teeny tiny tweaks probably every

0:48:25.567 --> 0:48:29.367
<v Speaker 3>single week. They would have full body led you know

0:48:29.527 --> 0:48:31.727
<v Speaker 3>those masks that everyone's saying, shall I spend three hundred

0:48:31.807 --> 0:48:34.167
<v Speaker 3>or six hundred dollars on? Which I do now diligently,

0:48:34.247 --> 0:48:36.047
<v Speaker 3>And I think do you rate those right?

0:48:36.167 --> 0:48:36.327
<v Speaker 1>Yep?

0:48:36.367 --> 0:48:37.927
<v Speaker 3>But I never used to until I found a good

0:48:37.967 --> 0:48:40.287
<v Speaker 3>one that's only three minutes. I mean, there's plenty of

0:48:40.327 --> 0:48:42.047
<v Speaker 3>good ones, but the ones that wanted me to lay

0:48:42.087 --> 0:48:43.847
<v Speaker 3>down for ten minutes, ain't nobody got time for that.

0:48:43.927 --> 0:48:46.167
<v Speaker 3>This one I can strap on my face and you know,

0:48:46.327 --> 0:48:50.247
<v Speaker 3>vacuum what scare the neighbors, scare my son for three minutes,

0:48:50.287 --> 0:48:52.207
<v Speaker 3>and so I can fit that in. But you know

0:48:53.087 --> 0:48:55.727
<v Speaker 3>they're particularly leading up to award season or whatever. You know,

0:48:55.807 --> 0:49:00.527
<v Speaker 3>full body led sometimes full body lasers. It could be

0:49:00.807 --> 0:49:04.207
<v Speaker 3>and is you know, part of their job, but it

0:49:04.247 --> 0:49:05.807
<v Speaker 3>could be a full time job and you would need

0:49:06.567 --> 0:49:11.647
<v Speaker 3>hundreds and thousands of dollars. But fuck that, Yeah, exactly,

0:49:12.527 --> 0:49:15.567
<v Speaker 3>how boring. I hate laying steel and I hate having

0:49:15.607 --> 0:49:16.567
<v Speaker 3>to heal from something.

0:49:16.767 --> 0:49:19.847
<v Speaker 2>Now you might have answered this with the salmon sperm. Yeah,

0:49:20.127 --> 0:49:22.367
<v Speaker 2>what's the wildest beauty treatment you've ever tried?

0:49:22.887 --> 0:49:25.247
<v Speaker 3>Probably that, I mean I have had the one where

0:49:25.407 --> 0:49:27.487
<v Speaker 3>you they take out your blood and put it in

0:49:27.567 --> 0:49:30.647
<v Speaker 3>a facial Yes, spin it. I won't say the real

0:49:30.727 --> 0:49:32.487
<v Speaker 3>name here, spin it. Then they take the platelets out.

0:49:32.527 --> 0:49:35.367
<v Speaker 3>They don't rub the red bit on your face. They

0:49:35.447 --> 0:49:37.447
<v Speaker 3>take the platelets out, which are like a yellowy white color,

0:49:37.447 --> 0:49:40.487
<v Speaker 3>and then rub that into the micro needling wounds because

0:49:40.487 --> 0:49:42.927
<v Speaker 3>it's your own, like getting your own goodness out and

0:49:42.967 --> 0:49:43.527
<v Speaker 3>putting it back in.

0:49:43.647 --> 0:49:45.007
<v Speaker 2>Did you look like a newborn baby?

0:49:45.207 --> 0:49:46.367
<v Speaker 1>I was at the time.

0:49:46.407 --> 0:49:48.047
<v Speaker 3>I think I was in my early thirties, so I

0:49:48.127 --> 0:49:49.847
<v Speaker 3>think I thought I was old. And I thought I

0:49:49.967 --> 0:49:53.927
<v Speaker 3>loved it, but like now I feel and no, I

0:49:53.967 --> 0:49:55.487
<v Speaker 3>don't feel old. I think I look old, but I'm

0:49:55.487 --> 0:49:57.367
<v Speaker 3>sure in ten years, like a god forty three, you

0:49:57.407 --> 0:49:58.247
<v Speaker 3>looked phenomenal.

0:49:58.767 --> 0:50:00.407
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it was good.

0:50:01.167 --> 0:50:03.247
<v Speaker 3>It was pretty crazy at the time. It was even

0:50:03.287 --> 0:50:07.047
<v Speaker 3>before Kim Kardashian did that whole photo, which that's just

0:50:07.127 --> 0:50:09.807
<v Speaker 3>the needling. That's just the blood coming off out the needling.

0:50:10.127 --> 0:50:12.287
<v Speaker 3>That's not the spinning and the putting the stuff back in,

0:50:12.447 --> 0:50:14.607
<v Speaker 3>because if you go deep with rf macrow needling, you.

0:50:14.607 --> 0:50:17.287
<v Speaker 1>Will have quite a lot of bleeding. That's probably about

0:50:17.367 --> 0:50:18.367
<v Speaker 1>as crazy as it get.

0:50:18.407 --> 0:50:21.007
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember, and because none of it's in the

0:50:21.127 --> 0:50:23.407
<v Speaker 3>recent past, because I don't really bother.

0:50:23.407 --> 0:50:24.927
<v Speaker 2>You not mess around with it so much to.

0:50:24.927 --> 0:50:26.327
<v Speaker 1>Tase no, I don't have the time.

0:50:26.887 --> 0:50:28.527
<v Speaker 3>I think, oh, yeah, I'm going to do that soon,

0:50:28.567 --> 0:50:30.327
<v Speaker 3>and then a whole year is gone. Not to say

0:50:30.367 --> 0:50:33.327
<v Speaker 3>I won't, but I also just think as you get older,

0:50:35.207 --> 0:50:37.447
<v Speaker 3>you kind of don't care as m I don't know,

0:50:37.567 --> 0:50:39.407
<v Speaker 3>maybe because I I don't know.

0:50:39.727 --> 0:50:42.287
<v Speaker 2>But also maybe you're you know, you're wise, that's the thing,

0:50:42.367 --> 0:50:44.927
<v Speaker 2>and you know what your priorities are. And before I

0:50:45.087 --> 0:50:46.967
<v Speaker 2>close out, actually one more thing I was going to

0:50:47.007 --> 0:50:49.007
<v Speaker 2>ask you is there is there such a thing as

0:50:49.047 --> 0:50:51.887
<v Speaker 2>too late to start things like so you know, for

0:50:52.047 --> 0:50:55.167
<v Speaker 2>example that I haven't done anti winkleingtections, but I don't

0:50:55.207 --> 0:50:55.887
<v Speaker 2>rule any thing out.

0:50:55.967 --> 0:50:57.367
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I have to look at my face a

0:50:57.407 --> 0:51:01.167
<v Speaker 3>lot these so worry that if you don't do it soon,

0:51:01.207 --> 0:51:02.767
<v Speaker 3>then you'll have to beat that face lift lady.

0:51:02.967 --> 0:51:03.167
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:51:03.807 --> 0:51:05.447
<v Speaker 1>No, it's never too late for anything.

0:51:05.847 --> 0:51:09.127
<v Speaker 3>And like I said, you know, unless it's a permanent surgery,

0:51:09.247 --> 0:51:11.567
<v Speaker 3>you can get off a train at any time. Please,

0:51:11.687 --> 0:51:13.487
<v Speaker 3>like start. You're great with your s on screen, but

0:51:13.527 --> 0:51:14.647
<v Speaker 3>you can start anything now.

0:51:15.327 --> 0:51:17.847
<v Speaker 2>It's funny because I like my battle with myself when

0:51:17.847 --> 0:51:19.847
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about this lots of times, is I'm like,

0:51:19.967 --> 0:51:23.287
<v Speaker 2>I should be self accepting like you know, but you are.

0:51:23.527 --> 0:51:25.127
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know what I mean, Like I should

0:51:25.167 --> 0:51:27.527
<v Speaker 2>be like, this is life, right, this is what happens

0:51:27.607 --> 0:51:29.607
<v Speaker 2>to us. And I like to look nice.

0:51:29.927 --> 0:51:32.647
<v Speaker 3>Holly, you have the most glorious skin of any fifty

0:51:32.687 --> 0:51:33.767
<v Speaker 3>three year old I've ever known.

0:51:34.447 --> 0:51:35.407
<v Speaker 2>You look, but you do.

0:51:35.807 --> 0:51:40.527
<v Speaker 3>I think that unfortunately a lot of women just see

0:51:40.567 --> 0:51:44.727
<v Speaker 3>the floors or the changes, not a floor, but the changing.

0:51:45.047 --> 0:51:46.927
<v Speaker 3>But I think if anyone met you and saw how

0:51:47.007 --> 0:51:48.727
<v Speaker 3>radiant your skin was, and I'm sure when they do,

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<v Speaker 3>they think, shit, i'd love to have her skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you're that's lovely. That brings me to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>the question, do you feel beautiful?

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<v Speaker 3>Ah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I think, yes, I do feel beautiful, but

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<v Speaker 3>I don't always think I look beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've got short hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. I'm love your short hair.

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<v Speaker 1>I cut it.

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<v Speaker 2>You used to. When I first met Lee, she had

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<v Speaker 2>long hair and she liked her long hair. Your long

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<v Speaker 2>hair was a big.

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<v Speaker 3>It was purity blanket, a lot like you. And then

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of years ago I cut it really short

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<v Speaker 3>and I loved it. And then because my husband's a

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<v Speaker 3>red blooded Greek who just would like we do wear

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<v Speaker 3>leather all the time, he said, oh, grow it long.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, because I used to think once I cut

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<v Speaker 3>my hair, I'm old and I've given up. And I

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<v Speaker 3>loved it, and then I thought, okay, so I started

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<v Speaker 3>growing it. It got to about here and I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. I feel beautiful with short hair, and

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't mean that I'm old and given up. But

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<v Speaker 3>someone said to me on social media the other day,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they said, how do you manage to get

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<v Speaker 3>more beautiful with age? And that was a lovely compliment,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was like, what, like, oh yeah, like we're

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<v Speaker 3>as women were told that we get less beautiful with age,

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<v Speaker 3>and if we think of women like a banana or

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<v Speaker 3>some ham in the fridge, then yeah, it gets worse

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<v Speaker 3>with age. But if we think of us like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful buildings or mantic furniture or whatever. But I've just

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<v Speaker 3>never really thought that my most beauty was behind me.

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<v Speaker 3>So that really made me think because I just I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe as a society and maybe I've contributed

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<v Speaker 3>to this with my career. But I hope that Kelly

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<v Speaker 3>and I both being you know, she's late thirties on

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<v Speaker 3>your beauty, she's a mom. I'm forty three on new beauty,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm a mom in that we're not twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>year old TikTok obsessed sort of. You know, we're aging

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<v Speaker 3>people that it's not just for the youth, like you can,

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<v Speaker 3>everyone can be beautiful and hopefully feel beautiful, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>not like, oh shit, I've only just started skincare now

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<v Speaker 3>and it's too late at any age.

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<v Speaker 1>And also you don't need the skin care it feel beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that answer. Thank you, Lee, Thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>having us. It's been so different. Podcast helpful. Everybody is

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<v Speaker 2>going to love you as they already do. Thank God

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<v Speaker 2>for Lee Campbell. Now you too have her on speed dial. Metaphorically,

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<v Speaker 2>you have her on speed dial when you're wondering whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not you should do that thing. Let the beautician

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<v Speaker 2>talk you into that next step where you should go

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<v Speaker 2>to get your needles, whether you should do them or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully now you feel a little bit better, just like

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<v Speaker 2>I always do after I talk to my wonderful friendly.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to listen to more smart conversations about

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<v Speaker 2>what happens to our faces we grow up, as I

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<v Speaker 2>like to call it, scroll back in your feed to

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<v Speaker 2>my conversation with Ali Daddo, which was called what have

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<v Speaker 2>You Done to your Face? And it's very much about

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<v Speaker 2>She's unlikely obviously she's not a beauty expert, but she's

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<v Speaker 2>a woman whose value was very much held in her

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<v Speaker 2>beauty because she was one of the most popular and

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<v Speaker 2>famous models Generation X can remember. And she talks about

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<v Speaker 2>the challenges of aging when your self worth is so

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<v Speaker 2>index to your appearance and what she has and hasn't done.

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<v Speaker 2>She takes a very different tach. It's really interesting, So

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<v Speaker 2>go and listen to that one. And of course thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for being here with me on MID. If you

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