Speaker 1: You're listening to a mother and mea podcast. Hello, Unleashes,
Speaker 1: it's me a Freedman here, also known in this context
Speaker 1: as producer Mea. I know that you're obsessed with Kath Mahoney.
Speaker 1: Honestly I am as well.
Speaker 2: Isn't she like human sunshine?
Speaker 1: And I know that you love her because you're all
Speaker 1: up in our dms like I want to know more
Speaker 1: about kaf and about all the hosts, which is fair
Speaker 1: because they're pretty remarkable women. So I found this conversation
Speaker 1: that I had with Kath and I thought, you immediately
Speaker 1: need to hear it. You're gonna love it because what
Speaker 1: you might not know about this woman is the following.
Speaker 1: Before she was on Unleashed making us laugh about VADG,
Speaker 1: waxes and dating. She sat across from me when I
Speaker 1: hosted No Filter and told me one of the most honest,
Speaker 1: funny and genuinely gutting stories that I'd heard in years.
Speaker 1: She was married, as many of you know, to one
Speaker 1: of the most famous sportsmen in Australia, a big, well
Speaker 1: known footy player, and so when that marriage ended, as
Speaker 1: it did quite a few years ago, she wasn't just
Speaker 1: dealing with divorce and being a single mum, she was
Speaker 1: dealing with public scrutiny and that feeling of hang on,
Speaker 1: who am I now, which I think is really familiar
Speaker 1: to women who've been through divorce, even if their ex
Speaker 1: is not a famous Australian. I promise you though, this
Speaker 1: isn't a conversation about her ex husband. We are not
Speaker 1: doing that. It's about calf And if you love her
Speaker 1: on unleashed, which I know you do, you're gonna love
Speaker 1: getting to know her a little bit better one on one.
Speaker 1: So from deep in the Mamma Mera archives comes this
Speaker 1: classic episode of no filter.
Speaker 2: Here she is.
Speaker 1: The day that you strap yourself into the most expensive
Speaker 1: dress that you've ever owned and walk down the aisle
Speaker 1: to look lovingly into the eyes of your about to
Speaker 1: be spouse. Divorce is generally not top of mind, but
Speaker 1: a few years later there's every chance that it will be,
Speaker 1: because more marriages end than don't.
Speaker 2: And when a marriage does end, even.
Speaker 1: Though we've mostly left behind divorced stigma, thank god, the
Speaker 1: after maath, even if it's damicable, can rock every aspect of.
Speaker 3: Your world and your identity. You're crying for the loss
Speaker 3: of identity. You're crying for the family unit. You're crying
Speaker 3: for that, you know, dancing off into the sunset. After
Speaker 3: fifty years married. A lot changes in that first for
Speaker 3: me it was eighteen months, might be twelve months, might
Speaker 3: be two years, might be however long.
Speaker 2: For whoever else is going through it.
Speaker 3: But for me, you know, my family home changed, my
Speaker 3: location changed, my job changed, my title changed. I was
Speaker 3: very much someone's wife. I wasn't anymore. I was suddenly.
Speaker 2: Aware that I was, like, who the fuck was I?
Speaker 2: I'd been somebody's partner for thirteen years.
Speaker 1: My name is Mia Friedman and you're listening to No Filter.
Speaker 1: Catherine Mahoney is an oversharer, which is my favorite brand
Speaker 1: of guest on No Filter. She used to work in
Speaker 1: music pr before she accidentally fell in love with NRL
Speaker 1: legend Andrew Johns. You might have heard of him, and
Speaker 1: they've spent thirteen years married. But when their relationship fell
Speaker 1: apart very publicly and very messily, Catherine found herself in
Speaker 1: a very different life season to the one she expected.
Speaker 2: To be in in her forties.
Speaker 1: It's one that she calls currently between husbands, which also
Speaker 1: happens to be the title of the memoir that she
Speaker 1: wrote this conversation with Kath is loose and it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: And if you're heading into the new year suddenly single,
Speaker 1: or thinking that maybe perhaps you might be single by
Speaker 1: the end of this year, or maybe you just know
Speaker 1: someone who is suddenly single, or maybe you just need
Speaker 1: a laugh, this is the perfect episode for you.
Speaker 3: Kav.
Speaker 1: What does rock Bottom look like after a divorce?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: There were many, I think, but the book version is, yeah,
Speaker 3: happened to lax.
Speaker 2: As you know, we're in LA for work.
Speaker 3: You know, the marriage has ended, maybe two months prior
Speaker 3: to that, I've been on a working trip, but anyone knows,
Speaker 3: you know, when you're a parent and you leave your
Speaker 3: child and you're on a working trip, you can also
Speaker 3: enjoy a working trip because you're not parent.
Speaker 2: And lou was only five back then.
Speaker 3: So it's one of those moments where I was pretending
Speaker 3: that I wasn't about to come back to Australia and
Speaker 3: have a divorce. And as we're packing up, when we
Speaker 3: get into the uber and email pings from my divorce lawyer,
Speaker 3: and I think anyone that's listening who's gone through this,
Speaker 3: and certainly people who've read the book who've reached out
Speaker 3: resonated with this moment when your marriage ends and you
Speaker 3: have to start dealing with divorce lawyers and their terminology.
Speaker 2: It is like being winded. You feel like you're being punched.
Speaker 1: What kind of words like, what sort of things do
Speaker 1: you have to read?
Speaker 3: It's not you and your partner anymore. It's other people
Speaker 3: talking on behalf of you, and none of it centers
Speaker 3: around what you previously had as a couple or the
Speaker 3: fact that you're still parents. It is all coming down
Speaker 3: to the nitty gritty, and.
Speaker 1: It must feel very weird and exposing having strangers talking
Speaker 1: to each other in legal terms about something as personal
Speaker 1: and private and precious once as your marriage.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's they're just picking the bones out of it,
Speaker 2: I think, And you know I was. I was very lucky.
Speaker 3: I had a fabulous female lawyer and she was very fair.
Speaker 3: But there are moments, certainly when you're in a room
Speaker 3: with others and lawyers are talking about your life and
Speaker 3: you're part in the relationship where you just go got
Speaker 3: my rose quarts in my hand to bring in the love,
Speaker 3: but now I just maybe want to throw it at
Speaker 3: your head. You know, you kind of have those moments
Speaker 3: and it's all surreal. It's all very surreal in those
Speaker 3: first few months. But yeah, going back to getting into
Speaker 3: that uber, had the first horrendous exchange, decided to have
Speaker 3: a bit of vodka in the forty five minute trip
Speaker 3: to Lax, And it's somewhere in that sort of moment
Speaker 3: I decided, instead of having the value and I was
Speaker 3: going to have on the plane because I'm a nervous flyer,
Speaker 3: I sort of knocked about with a bit of vodka
Speaker 3: and then we got to Lax And that's sort of
Speaker 3: as much as I remember till the.
Speaker 2: Next day when you woke up.
Speaker 3: We're in a hotel, not on the flight, and I
Speaker 3: was in quantus pajamas that I hadn't put on, so
Speaker 3: there'd been a bit of a blackout situation. I did
Speaker 3: manage to get through the security being pushed in the wheelchair.
Speaker 1: Who explained what had happened in that blackout gap and
Speaker 1: what did they tell you?
Speaker 3: Two friends, two colleagues while who were like friends and family,
Speaker 3: and yeah, they just said, you just went floppy, and
Speaker 3: we just sort of, you know, commandeered a wheelchair, put
Speaker 3: the sunglasses on and hope for the best to get
Speaker 3: you through security. And anyone who's been to an American airport.
Speaker 2: They're pretty scary. I don't like a bed the best
Speaker 2: of time, so I'm amazed I got through.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I got as far as the lounge and
Speaker 3: wasn't very unwell in the bathroom. Not my finest moment, sorry, quantas,
Speaker 3: and was deemed unfit to get on the flight.
Speaker 1: And your friends had to undress you, put you in
Speaker 1: the show and wash the vomit out of your hair.
Speaker 2: Yes, not my finest moment, not.
Speaker 3: My butens good friends, and what a great way to
Speaker 3: start the movie version of the book.
Speaker 2: It's so true. It's a good scene, isn't It's a
Speaker 2: good scene.
Speaker 3: And since the book's been out, I've had quite a
Speaker 3: few ladies reach out who've had similar not at lax,
Speaker 3: but similar, you know, maybe more more alcohol and food
Speaker 3: scenarios that have happened and hit them like a ton
Speaker 3: of bricks, sort of going through the early stages of
Speaker 3: the separation too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, not my finest moment.
Speaker 1: When you tell people that your marriage is over and
Speaker 1: that you're getting a divorce, the first thing they say
Speaker 1: is why, what happened? What went wrong? What answer did
Speaker 1: you develop that you could wheel out in all those conversations.
Speaker 3: Look, I think our relationship had been we'd had a
Speaker 3: couple of trial separations in the lead up, and I
Speaker 3: think those close could see where we were going, and
Speaker 3: there was no big drama towards the end.
Speaker 2: I think it was just a case.
Speaker 3: Of we've really given this a good go for thirteen
Speaker 3: years and there is no point now where I, like,
Speaker 3: you know, wake at night. I can't speak for my
Speaker 3: X husband, but there's no point where I think we
Speaker 3: didn't try.
Speaker 2: You know, I think one of maybe.
Speaker 3: The first sort of one or two separations, you go,
Speaker 3: there's still something, it's not over.
Speaker 2: We've got a child together, we can do this.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: You go back, Yeah, you go back, and I think
Speaker 3: we had just grown apart and it was ripping the
Speaker 3: band aid off because you do have that Is this
Speaker 3: as good as it gets? Is this just life? Or
Speaker 3: is there more to life? And you know, should we
Speaker 3: call it so?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: But it's absolutely never easy telling someone that your marriage
Speaker 3: has ended. It's not a high five moment.
Speaker 1: People often project onto you their own situation. So part
Speaker 1: of why they ask you why this is people that
Speaker 1: don't know you very well, is to just go wait, why,
Speaker 1: like should mine end. What does this mean for me?
Speaker 1: It must test Yeah, yeah, what actually was it? And
Speaker 1: if it's not there was another person, there was a betrayal.
Speaker 1: It's harder to explain, isn't it. Particularly when there's a
Speaker 1: young child involved.
Speaker 2: It's really hard.
Speaker 3: And also I was really mindful, I think, because we'd
Speaker 3: had a couple of splits and I had the initial
Speaker 3: shock of thinking shared friends were shared friends, and then
Speaker 3: when it ended, going oh, you've gone to that side
Speaker 3: of the room.
Speaker 2: I'm at the other end of the room.
Speaker 3: So I think I'd had that experience of knowing some
Speaker 3: of those things were ahead when we finally ended, And
Speaker 3: so I just really brought like my gang in close
Speaker 3: and tight and just sort of, you know, as cheesy
Speaker 3: as it sounded, you know, I surrounded myself with bright,
Speaker 3: shiny people who were just going to make getting out
Speaker 3: of bed in the morning easier.
Speaker 2: And I call it ghouls, you know, like.
Speaker 3: Sort of people that suddenly reach out on Facebook. You
Speaker 3: I haven't seen you for ages, but suddenly you're reaching
Speaker 3: out and concerned and you just want the story. And
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to give it energy or
Speaker 3: relive it for you to go. Oh, you know, so
Speaker 3: and I say that in the book keep your network tight,
Speaker 3: especially in those.
Speaker 2: Early days, because you're all over the shop or I was. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it's like being and I've been warned, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes today, and they're like, oh, I just heard, You're right,
Speaker 3: you know what. Actually I was, it's like when someone
Speaker 3: like my mum yesterday goes you look tired, you go
Speaker 3: suddenly feel tired, sort of stay away from that. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that's it was more the moments that I wasn't expecting
Speaker 3: to feel upset about saying the marriage was over, like
Speaker 3: being in medicare having to change my card I Bursted
Speaker 3: tears with a woman, or having to go to school
Speaker 3: and say, oh, can we have two reports now? And
Speaker 3: if this can come to this address and when it's school,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of meeting teacher time, can we have
Speaker 3: two instead of what that stuff?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just crushing.
Speaker 1: Because that's in situations where it's not personal friends or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then do you get that.
Speaker 1: Sort of head tilt Yeah, are you okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And you're like, you know, even we were saying off, Mike,
Speaker 3: I've got a lady procedure tomorrow and I'm filling out
Speaker 3: like you know the thesis for like the hospital and
Speaker 3: they want to know my status and I'm married, divorce single.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why is that even a box? How is
Speaker 2: that relevant? Yeah? Divorced? Why is divorced a box?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: So for me when I there was a couple of
Speaker 3: names for the book, but currently between husbands is I'm
Speaker 3: a pretty positive person. And when people say to me,
Speaker 3: are you married? I don't like the word divorced, So
Speaker 3: I go, I'm currently between husbands and that's my stick, that's.
Speaker 2: My half glass fault.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, rather than you I'm divorced because it
Speaker 3: sounds like I failed, and you know what I didn't.
Speaker 3: You know, I had a thirteen year effort with someone
Speaker 3: I loved for most of that thirteen years, and we've
Speaker 3: got a great son, So I don't see that as failing.
Speaker 1: When you talk about how you felt in that time
Speaker 1: after your rock bottom in Lax and the couple of
Speaker 1: months leading up to that and the year really afterwards,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of crying. There's a lot of crying
Speaker 1: in the shower. You have a small child, so you
Speaker 1: find places to cry quietly. Someone who has maybe not
Speaker 1: been through that before might think, well, you're not in
Speaker 1: love with him anymore. You know that the marriage ending
Speaker 1: is the right thing. What are you crying about? I
Speaker 1: think for me, you're crying for the loss of identity.
Speaker 1: You're crying for the family unit.
Speaker 3: You're crying for that, you know, dancing off into the sunset.
Speaker 3: After fifty years married, A lot changes in that first
Speaker 3: For me, it was eighteen months, might be twelve months,
Speaker 3: might be two years, might be however long.
Speaker 2: For whoever else is going through it.
Speaker 3: But for me, you know, my family home changed, my
Speaker 3: location changed, my job changed, my title changed. I was
Speaker 3: very much someone's wife. I wasn't anymore. I was suddenly
Speaker 3: aware that I was, like, who the fuck was I?
Speaker 3: I'd been somebody's partner for thirteen years, you know, and
Speaker 3: even going to the park because Lewis was five.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy I don't have to go to the
Speaker 2: park anymore.
Speaker 3: But in those times where you were like, all right,
Speaker 3: I've got Saturday to Phil, I'll do an hour in
Speaker 3: the park, you know, like you bang, bang bang, I'm
Speaker 3: going to fill it out. And you'd be pushing him
Speaker 3: on the swings and some guy be talking, pushing his sunny.
Speaker 3: Suddenly the wife comes over with the coffees and looks
Speaker 3: at you spots you've got no ring and You're like,
Speaker 3: I'm not running on your husband.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to fill two hours.
Speaker 3: But you know, those are the things where I suddenly
Speaker 3: felt really exposed. And I never cared about my rings,
Speaker 3: you know, really wasn't someone who was all about the
Speaker 3: wedding rings and then taking them off. And I don't know,
Speaker 3: there was things like that that I was not expecting.
Speaker 3: So they're the moments that you cry. They're the moments
Speaker 3: that you just go, I just didn't expect to be here.
Speaker 3: I've just turned forty. This was not how I saw
Speaker 3: my movie ending, you know, so I think I think
Speaker 3: the tears come at at different times for different people.
Speaker 1: How did you know it wasn't just another separation if
Speaker 1: it had been on again, off again?
Speaker 2: Yeah, when did you know? Oh this is really it?
Speaker 3: I think when you start to move out, when you
Speaker 3: start to just you know, like those signs. I love
Speaker 3: those signs on the Australian Freeway, wrong way, go back
Speaker 3: in case you're turning, No, don't turn that way, that's
Speaker 3: the wrong way. And I kept having moments of those, No,
Speaker 3: that is done. I'm really bad at letting go of
Speaker 3: love and people. So for me, I found that hard,
Speaker 3: but you do. You just have to let go and
Speaker 3: know that it's ran its course and you take the
Speaker 3: rose colored glasses off. And I look at the last
Speaker 3: sa twelve months of our relationship, and we were starting
Speaker 3: to be ships in the night. He liked to surf,
Speaker 3: so he'd do a surfing holiday. I'd do a holiday
Speaker 3: with the girls or a retreat. You know, he would
Speaker 3: be working nights. I would be doing this. Suddenly, are
Speaker 3: you sleep in the spare room because you're going to
Speaker 3: be home late from that game? And you know, suddenly
Speaker 3: you're you know, it's that sitting down at the dinner table,
Speaker 3: isn't it? And going I mean I could talk underwater,
Speaker 3: I talk the hind legs of a donkey, and I
Speaker 3: don't really know what we're going to talk about. You know,
Speaker 3: they're the moments where you go, No, seven years down
Speaker 3: the track, there's much more clarity about it really was time.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was how it was for me.
Speaker 1: How did you find only being with your son for
Speaker 1: part of the time, Like, how did you navigate custody?
Speaker 2: Did you do shared?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one thing we never had a problem with
Speaker 3: For the first a year at least we were in
Speaker 3: the same kind of suburb. I moved slightly, you know,
Speaker 3: to the next suburb on the northern Beaches. We were
Speaker 3: always right from the start, fifty to fifty. Andrew's a
Speaker 3: fabulous dad. You know, our relationship didn't work, not his
Speaker 3: relationship as a father or mine as a mother. So
Speaker 3: I think for us it was quite easy for it
Speaker 3: to be black and white and fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1: But no one goes into having a child thinking I'll
Speaker 1: be with my child fifty percent of the time. So
Speaker 1: tell me about that adjustment.
Speaker 3: Just for you, for me, And I know you know
Speaker 3: her too, just in Culor. She gave me the greatest
Speaker 3: piece of advice early on. She's not being divorced, but
Speaker 3: she'd been separated from a you know, the father of
Speaker 3: two of her children. And she said to me once
Speaker 3: when I was probably crying into a glass of wine.
Speaker 3: When Lewis leaves your care, remember you have no control
Speaker 3: over what he hears, what he sees, what he eats,
Speaker 3: what time he goes to bed, who he's around.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: But you know, apart from you, he's with the other
Speaker 3: person in the world that loves him as much as
Speaker 3: you do. And I just even say it out loud
Speaker 3: and I go, oh, to wait off your shelters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can't.
Speaker 1: I can't control any of that and that idea that
Speaker 1: people have that we have to be consistent. So everything
Speaker 1: that I do and all the rules I have, you
Speaker 1: have to have the same ones.
Speaker 2: But that's not necessarily the case. It's not right or wrong.
Speaker 3: And you know, I might want him in bed at
Speaker 3: eight and he might be up till nine with you
Speaker 3: and your your family might be down and they're up late.
Speaker 3: And also it's none of my business. You know, you're
Speaker 3: not taking to the cross, you're not shooting up drugs.
Speaker 3: You know, you'd kind of if you're giving him sugar, well,
Speaker 3: that's on your watch because he'll be up in the
Speaker 3: middle of the night waking you up.
Speaker 2: But that was a game changer for me.
Speaker 3: What I found probably harder was not my time with Lewis,
Speaker 3: but my time without him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, because you just go, oh, is not here, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's not here, Like I'm a mother without a child.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, And that there's a flip side.
Speaker 3: You can stay up later and you can you know,
Speaker 3: you can have a tin of tuna out of the
Speaker 3: can for your dinner if that's all you want, and
Speaker 3: not have to concern yourself with bedtimes and reading and
Speaker 3: all that stuff. But it can be a really lonely
Speaker 3: time because not only are you trying to navigate the
Speaker 3: new you that you've not got this wing person.
Speaker 2: Or people if you've got, you know, multiple children that.
Speaker 3: Can bring you joy or give you that hug or
Speaker 3: stop you from crying because you've got to be on
Speaker 3: you know, you've got a five year old.
Speaker 1: So I found the identity thing quite hard. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a mother whose child is not with me now
Speaker 1: and it's a different feeling to when they're at daycare
Speaker 1: or when they're at school.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I found the.
Speaker 1: Gear change of it, yeah, to be really challenging, certainly
Speaker 1: at first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it gets get used to it, you know,
Speaker 2: you totally do.
Speaker 3: And Lewis is now at thirteen and he's got his
Speaker 3: phone and oh, you're meant to be with me tonight,
Speaker 3: but you want to do that with da cool, no problem,
Speaker 3: I'll just put you know, dinner back in the freeze
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. And you do navigate it in
Speaker 3: an easier way. But it's really tough in the start.
Speaker 2: Did you want to have more kids? I'm not majorly maternal.
Speaker 2: I always used to laugh.
Speaker 3: With people say do you like kids? I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I couldn't it the whole one.
Speaker 2: I like children. I sound it such a cow. I
Speaker 2: like children.
Speaker 3: Once there's that communication, so from like once we're at
Speaker 3: school and you can have a bit of a chat
Speaker 3: and you can negotiate. And now Lewis, I'm like, look,
Speaker 3: can we just start recording our car chats?
Speaker 2: I think it's a podcast. You're really funny. And he's like,
Speaker 2: do you term them?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And now he's like, my mate, you know, you'll know
Speaker 3: that your children are older. But yeah, it's a whole
Speaker 3: gear change, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I think, when did you start thinking about having sex
Speaker 1: after your divorce? Leading up to it, did you straight
Speaker 1: away go well, on the upside.
Speaker 2: You're ready when you're ready.
Speaker 3: At first, I thought I can't even imagine kissing someone else,
Speaker 3: you know. And I was probably about eight months in
Speaker 3: and Andrew had moved on with somebody, you know, and
Speaker 3: that's his side of the street.
Speaker 2: And about eight.
Speaker 3: Months in I just saw, you know, I started sort
Speaker 3: of hitting the apps. And my mistake was I think
Speaker 3: I was looking for the one, which is probably not
Speaker 3: the right. Yes, yes, someone to break, yeah, actually any
Speaker 3: degrease and oil change. And so once a few friends
Speaker 3: suggested that that's what I needed, and I was like, right, okay,
Speaker 3: go into this a bit more like a chap.
Speaker 2: What am I going to do? Make you swipe or
Speaker 2: look in a different way.
Speaker 3: Totally, because for anyone that's not been on the apps,
Speaker 3: what you find pretty early on is, oh, what are
Speaker 3: you here for? When the guy asked you that, and
Speaker 3: you sort of realized that there's you know, there's a
Speaker 3: long term, there's a cash all as a one light stand.
Speaker 3: Everyone's polyamorous at the moment. Now on the apps, I'm like,
Speaker 3: once I googled it, we.
Speaker 2: So you hadn't been on the apps before, you'd been married.
Speaker 3: For forever, like twenty seven we met, so I mean, gosh,
Speaker 3: I think we were on landlines when we met.
Speaker 1: Correct?
Speaker 2: How long ago?
Speaker 1: So you were you were dropped into a completely new world.
Speaker 2: How did you take those first steps?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Badly?
Speaker 1: Did you have a wingman to help you?
Speaker 2: A wee woman?
Speaker 3: Because everybody was still coupled up or happily married. So
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know what to do here,
Speaker 3: and you know I'm a crazy oversharer, but I was
Speaker 3: also very mindful seven years ago that it would have
Speaker 3: been potentially a.
Speaker 1: Column for a gossip columnist, because what we haven't even
Speaker 1: mentioned is the complicating factor was that your ex husband
Speaker 1: was a famous sports star.
Speaker 2: He was a footballer, he was.
Speaker 1: Iconic nine around Australia Andrew johnes.
Speaker 2: Yeap from Page when He's Got a Cold.
Speaker 3: And also he partnered with Daniel Craig's ex fiance that
Speaker 3: was his first relationship afterwards, so I also had the
Speaker 3: joy of, like the Telegraph and the Daily Mail picking
Speaker 3: photos of my wedding, where as my friend said, did
Speaker 3: you not invite your eyebrows to your wedding?
Speaker 2: And I was like no, I overplucked.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and seven, so there was that photo
Speaker 3: with Daniel Craig and his then partner the Oscars.
Speaker 2: So of course that's unfair, so unfairs, so unfair.
Speaker 3: So I'm there in my head going, oh my god,
Speaker 3: if if I'm on the Apps and that's a column story,
Speaker 3: you know, Joey off with you know, double O, sevens
Speaker 3: X and money on the Apps. Because back then there
Speaker 3: was more of a it wasn't frowned on, but it was.
Speaker 1: More exposing and it felt a bit desperate.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it felt a bit you know, dirty sort
Speaker 3: of thing or were you just on that for sex?
Speaker 1: Particularly for the younger generation never thought that. But for
Speaker 1: those of us who didn't grow up with the apps
Speaker 1: and meeting people on the apps, there was a bit
Speaker 1: of a snobbery about them. Really, wasn't there a bit
Speaker 1: of a slut shaming andes about them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially some of the guys I swiped early
Speaker 3: on and you know, enforced that. You were like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't want it on my face or
Speaker 3: my breast, but thanks very much. And Matt, so I
Speaker 3: started off with like one photo had my name and
Speaker 3: my age and that was it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: And as someone who's like, I'm quite funny, I might
Speaker 3: do some funny stuff.
Speaker 2: I was just like really straight.
Speaker 1: And did you have to choose things like did you
Speaker 1: have to put a filter on the type of guy
Speaker 1: that you wanted, like an age or what did you
Speaker 1: have to do?
Speaker 2: You had to do age and location? How did you
Speaker 2: choose age? Oh? What was I back then?
Speaker 3: I was forty So I think I went thirty seven
Speaker 3: to forty seven.
Speaker 1: See a lot of my friends who became single at
Speaker 1: around that time, much younger guys.
Speaker 2: Well that was my next effort.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but first of all, I'm looking for my next husband,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, just mister Darcy's just one swipe away. Sadly,
Speaker 3: on the Northern Beaches where I lived at the time,
Speaker 3: everyone is either happily married or let's say married that
Speaker 3: might be, that might not be happily or they're like
Speaker 3: seventeen in a trade. So I wasn't prepared to break
Speaker 3: up a marriage or bang a seventeen year old. So
Speaker 3: I had to go further out with my casting. My
Speaker 3: net had to go back. I think I went maybe
Speaker 3: twenty k from where I was and just a mixed
Speaker 3: bag of lollies really, And I think after some disastrous
Speaker 3: chats back and forth with people, that's when why.
Speaker 2: Were disasterus in what way?
Speaker 3: Well, just one of the first guys I matched with
Speaker 3: then went on to tell me he's just written a
Speaker 3: book about tinder. So I was like unmatched because I
Speaker 3: don't want to be calm fodder at this point, so
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is not good. And then you would
Speaker 3: just have the ones that would just start off with
Speaker 3: the nice comments and then you know, half an hour
Speaker 3: in that they want to strangle you with your stockings.
Speaker 3: That you don't wear stockings. I'm like you in the
Speaker 3: nineteen thirties, you with the stockings, and are you up
Speaker 3: for that?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not, thanks very much, swipe. So there were
Speaker 2: all sorts.
Speaker 3: But yes, I did as your friends did when I
Speaker 3: was ready, and I realized I just needed a little
Speaker 3: bit of a little bit of action, no strings attached.
Speaker 2: I went a bit younger, bingo. Then you're fishing where
Speaker 2: the fish are in what way?
Speaker 3: Well, because your son, you're approaching that kind of I suppose,
Speaker 3: you know, early thirties market with I've just come out
Speaker 3: of a marriage. I really would just like a special
Speaker 3: grown up cuddle, no strings attached.
Speaker 2: Suddenly it was like, see of yes.
Speaker 1: Is don't want to have your babies, don't want to
Speaker 1: marry you, don't even.
Speaker 3: Want to know your second name, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: If you can just be really clean and smell nice,
Speaker 3: we'll be fine.
Speaker 2: So yes, And what was that like?
Speaker 3: What was the first time, Oh gosh, well, I went
Speaker 3: to see someone who you know, Amanda Goff, who was
Speaker 3: really very much an old friend and was still in
Speaker 3: her Samantha.
Speaker 2: She's a very high profile escort.
Speaker 3: Yes she was when you say you went to see her,
Speaker 3: because remember I've cast my net yep, so I've cast
Speaker 3: my net as far as Bondi and I'm living in
Speaker 3: the Northern Beaches. I'm a solo parent, so I don't
Speaker 3: really want to spend like one hundred dollars on my
Speaker 3: uber back after my special cuddle. So I've checked in
Speaker 3: with Amanda. She's kid free that week, and she's like,
Speaker 3: why don't you come and stay here? So I go
Speaker 3: there first for my cup of tea and some Dutch courage.
Speaker 3: She shoves like the thirty condoms in my bags. Listen,
Speaker 3: I think if we use one, not like if we
Speaker 3: get as far as one, I'll be happy.
Speaker 2: And yes, it was very mechanical. You know.
Speaker 3: He did look like Tom Hardy if you squinted after
Speaker 3: three vodkas, and he did fair play was English, and
Speaker 3: I said, gosh, you reminds of someone and he said, oh,
Speaker 3: he said, everyone says I look that bloat from peaky blinders.
Speaker 3: And I was like, you mean Tom Hardy, you do.
Speaker 2: I'm closing my eye.
Speaker 3: You do look like Tom Hardy, this is only fine,
Speaker 3: and it just it felt like I was back at Uni.
Speaker 2: Like he lived in a shared house.
Speaker 3: I had to walk through the lounge with his two
Speaker 3: flatmates watching English soccer.
Speaker 2: How old was he? He was thirty two and still
Speaker 2: in a shed. Not judging.
Speaker 3: You looked like Tom Hardy. He had the only on
Speaker 3: sweet So I was like, well, this is good. If
Speaker 3: I need the toilet, I'd have to walk through the
Speaker 3: table tennis table that set up in the lounge, step
Speaker 3: over the bean bags and the.
Speaker 2: Food toys Sea boys. You had the food, So yeah,
Speaker 2: it did serve its purpose.
Speaker 1: After the break, I asked Kath what it's like having
Speaker 1: sex with someone new after having a child. I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about having sex with someone for the
Speaker 1: first time after having a baby, because you have in
Speaker 1: most cases, you have a baby and the person you
Speaker 1: then have sex with ye after that is the person
Speaker 1: who loves you. He's watched your beautiful body change, who's
Speaker 1: maybe seen a baby come out of that special place,
Speaker 1: and he's just excited to be allowed re entry into it.
Speaker 1: But then sleeping with someone who's perhaps never had sex
Speaker 1: with a mother before.
Speaker 2: How did you feel? Oh, like all sorts go through
Speaker 2: your head.
Speaker 3: I remember at the time, and I do say this
Speaker 3: to ladies listening, don't take that six months after your
Speaker 3: marriage break up. Don't take that as your natural weight
Speaker 3: sort of state. So for me, I was not eating
Speaker 3: as much as I used to, big eater. I go
Speaker 3: to bed thinking about what I'm going to eat the
Speaker 3: next day. So I wasn't eating much. I was probably
Speaker 3: drinking more than I should, and I was full of
Speaker 3: anxiety and nervous energy. So suddenly I'm like the lightest
Speaker 3: I've ever been, which was great. Stress stressed, you're not
Speaker 3: feeling happy. But I remember buying a few things at
Speaker 3: the time, and then six months after trying to get
Speaker 3: into them, going I'd have to take a rib out
Speaker 3: to get into these jeans.
Speaker 2: What was I thinking?
Speaker 3: But at the time, for first grease and old change,
Speaker 3: the tom hardy guy you squinted, I felt pretty good,
Speaker 3: and I bought myself some new underwear. A friend had said,
Speaker 3: do you know what, out with the old in within,
Speaker 3: you get yourself some new underwear. Feel sexy. But however,
Speaker 3: you know, trim my war was like, my stomach's are
Speaker 3: a lot like the Himalayas. Like I've just I've just
Speaker 3: never had a flat to me, and certainly not.
Speaker 2: Since we're not genetically progund.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm now I'm sat here holding it in
Speaker 3: now that we're talking about it. But yeah, I was
Speaker 3: quite happy to go on the bottom when we had
Speaker 3: our special cuddle.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say to go in
Speaker 1: the bottom, and I'm like, well not, geez.
Speaker 2: No with no, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Like I joke about it, but like you cannot when
Speaker 3: you're dealing with your first Willie that you know, like
Speaker 3: I had the same Willy for thirteen years, when you're
Speaker 3: dealing with your first Willie, I couldn't even look at
Speaker 3: it in the eye, no pun intended.
Speaker 2: Like you just like, okay, right, that's different. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know what to do with that. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a what.
Speaker 3: About a hair removal and the tuft, the tuft, my tuft.
Speaker 1: I want you to tell the story of the tuft.
Speaker 3: Oh, I tell you what, if I ever have sex
Speaker 3: after this book has come out again, it'll be a miracle.
Speaker 3: So the tough situation, and this is when I know
Speaker 3: I have the best friends going. You know, suddenly you
Speaker 3: go from being a joint income house to a single
Speaker 3: income house, and I was working part time at the
Speaker 3: time and we separated, and so getting my nails done,
Speaker 3: facials just kind of all those extra added, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of lovely things.
Speaker 2: That I could afford. I had to sort of.
Speaker 3: Stop, and so my laser for my front and back
Speaker 3: bottom stopped, which was fine for the front bottom because
Speaker 3: with a razor you can do best you can kind
Speaker 3: of keep no eyes, you know, it's I've always nearly
Speaker 3: lost lip doing that. But yes, but I wasn't game
Speaker 3: to go around the back.
Speaker 1: So when we're in a seed, some kind of review mirrors.
Speaker 2: Also there's cutting. I'm in a shower, I was, I
Speaker 2: was in a rental.
Speaker 3: It did another bath. I just didn't want to cut myself.
Speaker 3: Put your shoulder out. Oh my gosh, I start me
Speaker 3: trying to shave my legs today for you. I put
Speaker 3: my hip out. But it was like, how can I
Speaker 3: describe it? I had created my own mullet, should we say?
Speaker 3: It was but like your barista's beard, those kind of
Speaker 3: hipsters around the back. And I was fine because nobody
Speaker 3: was seeing it because this is a point where no
Speaker 3: one's seen it. You know, we're back in La before
Speaker 3: the Lax story. We're out and about and we come
Speaker 3: back in and the girls are all trying to tell
Speaker 3: me that the lady who's staying in my house, Daniel CRAIGSX,
Speaker 3: might be more than a friend.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, no, no. I said, she's just
Speaker 2: just a friend in a high pitched voice and I'm
Speaker 2: like no.
Speaker 3: They're like, maybe you just need to get a good snog,
Speaker 3: a good passion, and I'm like, yeah, good idea.
Speaker 2: And we were going out.
Speaker 3: It's one of the last nights we're in LA, and
Speaker 3: the Awards season was on, so it's busy and crazy,
Speaker 3: and I sort of explained about the lady beard around
Speaker 3: the back, you know, I said it's gone a bit tofty,
Speaker 3: and they were like what, And I said, we can
Speaker 3: sort of twisted a bit in the shower, not into
Speaker 3: a full dreadlock, but twisty. One of my friends, Mim Godlover.
Speaker 3: She marched me in with the other four girls. We'd
Speaker 3: had a couple of cotails at this point into the
Speaker 3: shed bathroom and she just basically teld me to spread
Speaker 3: them and she shaved it. She went in full throttle,
Speaker 3: did what had to be done. It was like friar tuck,
Speaker 3: and not in a good way. Not that Friar Tuck
Speaker 3: is ever anything you aspired to in your batter, but yes,
Speaker 3: and so she detufted me.
Speaker 2: Friendship I know, isn't it? Yeah it is. Would you
Speaker 2: do that for a friend? Of course?
Speaker 1: Of course, like you know, if they had a stuck tampon,
Speaker 1: you'd go in there and oh.
Speaker 2: Straight away look for it.
Speaker 3: That is a good friend. Yeah, that is a good friend.
Speaker 3: But I'm tough free at the moment. I'm currently between tufts.
Speaker 1: The process of being on the app? Tell me about
Speaker 1: people wanting to be polyamorous? Is that just I think
Speaker 1: that's a new way of saying routing around.
Speaker 3: Yes, well my wife's fine with it, Like is she
Speaker 3: really really?
Speaker 2: Is she so polyamorous? Yeah?
Speaker 3: It just seems to be a really posh word for
Speaker 3: I'm in a relationship, but I'm having extras, which I
Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe it's a thing these days for the kids,
Speaker 3: but it's not for me.
Speaker 1: It's been a while, now, how have you refined your
Speaker 1: app game?
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: I was in a relationship for about four years that
Speaker 3: ended last year, and then we were in lockdown and
Speaker 3: then I was writing the book, and then I was
Speaker 3: really mindful that as I was out talking about the book,
Speaker 3: like today, I didn't want to think, Oh, how's Dave
Speaker 3: going to feel if he listens to blow job chatter?
Speaker 3: You know, well, how is he going to feel if
Speaker 3: I sort of tell that story about some other guy
Speaker 3: that's not him? So I've been single, but I have
Speaker 3: got back into the world of apps in the last
Speaker 3: kind of six weeks, hence all of the polyamorous behavior.
Speaker 2: So that's a new thing that you see. But I've
Speaker 2: seen my app game is terrible.
Speaker 3: I feel like I just can't even convert to a
Speaker 3: date at the moment, so I am I'm going to
Speaker 3: need to step it up. I do get a bit
Speaker 3: of date phobia too, Like I love a chat, you
Speaker 3: know when you connect with somebody and you have that
Speaker 3: chat and then they're like, right, do you want to meet?
Speaker 2: And I do sort of feel a bit like vomit
Speaker 2: in my mouth?
Speaker 1: Do you have like a Okay, we'll meet at this bar,
Speaker 1: we'll meet at this time, Like, what's your advice for
Speaker 1: people who might be getting back out there?
Speaker 3: Well, at Christmas, I did meet a hot American who
Speaker 3: was in town briefly and we just had a big
Speaker 3: old snog because he was going to Melbourne and then he
Speaker 3: was coming back, and then it was you know, time
Speaker 3: when borders were closed and he went. So I never
Speaker 3: got my weekend of watching Love actually and having a
Speaker 3: special cuddle with the hot American. But his advice to me,
Speaker 3: and I thought it was gold, was coffee or a drink.
Speaker 3: Don't commit for anything more than that kind of half
Speaker 3: an hour hour situation on these dates. Because I was
Speaker 3: saying to him, talking to him like I guess like
Speaker 3: a boy mate, because I knew he was in and
Speaker 3: out of the country pretty quickly, and that was his advice.
Speaker 2: You know, don't do it.
Speaker 3: An your local, don't do it anywhere well you know
Speaker 3: people and it's going to be super awkward. But yeah,
Speaker 3: his advice was a drink or a coffee, don't commit.
Speaker 3: I did end up once on a dinner with a
Speaker 3: guy that on arrival I knew wasn't my kind of
Speaker 3: chap and we had to do starters, nines, desserts. He
Speaker 3: wanted a coffee. I was like, oh my god, shoot
Speaker 3: me now. So yeah, that's a long time. That's a
Speaker 3: long time, and.
Speaker 1: Does it sort of make everything easier or harder to
Speaker 1: be upfront, like, is it just like thanks for the entree, dinner, dessert, coffee,
Speaker 1: not really feeling it. Have you had to become good
Speaker 1: at ghosting?
Speaker 2: Have you, Berien Gristing?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty upfront.
Speaker 3: Someone swiped on me the other day and I swiped
Speaker 3: and then I saw like I read his bio and
Speaker 3: one of his things was he liked this sissy didn't
Speaker 3: want that, but he had to have a woman that
Speaker 3: could cook, and I just went well unmatched. I could
Speaker 3: lie for a while and tell you that I was
Speaker 3: a good cook. The name of the book originally was
Speaker 3: actually I Don't like Cricket and Blowjobs, which the publisher
Speaker 3: was on board with until I think we all had
Speaker 3: that moment of.
Speaker 2: Could you really see it? In target that's going to
Speaker 2: be Yeah, there might be a couple of.
Speaker 3: Compliances in b W also, a lot of women like cricket,
Speaker 3: so I had to rethink it.
Speaker 2: But the whole premise of that is.
Speaker 3: When I was younger, I was a real relationship chameleon.
Speaker 2: I'm my god.
Speaker 3: You love goth music, me too. You like skydiving, me too.
Speaker 3: You're into ancient history, googling ancient meat too, you know,
Speaker 3: as a real me too, like just kind of I'm
Speaker 3: going to leave everything that I am to become what
Speaker 3: you want, and that's going to be great, you know.
Speaker 2: Hence blowjobs, I love them. You'll get one three times
Speaker 2: a week, you know.
Speaker 3: Four months in it's like birthdays and Christmas, because otherwise
Speaker 3: you're going to end up with chiropractor with a sore jaw.
Speaker 2: So actually, if you don't really know what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Like me and so I think as I've got older,
Speaker 3: I have embraced that, what do I want?
Speaker 2: What don't I want? Why don't you want? Kath? I
Speaker 2: don't want rock and roll anymore?
Speaker 1: You know, I had a lot of rock and roll
Speaker 1: a music publicist. You were like hard, like glamorous rock
Speaker 1: and roll. You were j Lo.
Speaker 2: Beyond, you know, Pearl Jam, all of them.
Speaker 1: And what did you do with those people? What was
Speaker 1: your role and what was your experience?
Speaker 3: I loved that was like my dream dream job. Like music,
Speaker 3: I cannot I cannot go a day without listening to music.
Speaker 2: But what does a music publicist do in that situation?
Speaker 3: Well, you just have to be in charge of everything,
Speaker 3: and you just have to be one step ahead of
Speaker 3: whatever that person is. And I was at Sony Music
Speaker 3: and so we did have all the big megastars and
Speaker 3: you just had to be you know, you were taking
Speaker 3: them for the radio interviews for TV when they came
Speaker 3: to Australia, when they came to Australia, You're pushing their album.
Speaker 3: You were taking them out to the cross if they
Speaker 3: wanted to go to a strip club. You know, you
Speaker 3: were doing all of that. But you had to make
Speaker 3: sure that you were obviously in control. You were so
Speaker 3: but you know you had to be. Yeah, you just
Speaker 3: had to be one step ahead. But I loved it.
Speaker 3: You know, we got paid bugger all. I used to
Speaker 3: pay my hairdresser in CDs. I mean remember CDs. No, No,
Speaker 3: it was amazing, you know, and so for me as
Speaker 3: someone who loves music and can't sing, it was like
Speaker 3: the best thing ever.
Speaker 2: So no, it was a great experience. Did they often
Speaker 2: try to hat on you? Oh not really.
Speaker 3: Remember this was when I had no eyebrows, so probably
Speaker 3: not my best time. And I met Andrew, you know,
Speaker 3: like I worked the first of eighteen months I was
Speaker 3: at Sony, I was solo, and then I met Andrew.
Speaker 2: So then I was kind of partnered up.
Speaker 1: His pop star career is a lesson not inside of him.
Speaker 1: But he was making a DVD. Well, he was making
Speaker 1: a DVD so remember those I know remember CD.
Speaker 2: What was the DVD that? Well, we were did the.
Speaker 3: Greatest Sportsman so we did like one with Warning, We
Speaker 3: did one with Costure Zoo, one with Harry Cule and
Speaker 3: one must have tried to crack onto you know, because
Speaker 3: I never got to Melbourne. We did it all you know,
Speaker 3: into States. So sadly I don't would have been been
Speaker 3: a great so I could have lied. And I do
Speaker 3: wish i'd held out for Harry Cule even though it's married.
Speaker 3: But now Andrew was the first DVD and yeah, I
Speaker 3: had no idea. I grew up in the UK watching soccer,
Speaker 3: so rugby league, you know, wasn't a thing.
Speaker 2: And I don't know we just what was it like
Speaker 2: being fame adjacent?
Speaker 3: Now, this is where I think being a publicist came
Speaker 3: in handy because you were used to being the invisible handbag.
Speaker 3: You were used to being the shadow. You were used
Speaker 3: to seeing what was about to happen. So if I
Speaker 3: was with Andrew, it was like my superpower. You could see, Okay,
Speaker 3: that guy on the right looks like he's had too
Speaker 3: much a drink.
Speaker 2: He's coming in for an autograph. How is that going
Speaker 2: to go?
Speaker 3: You know, you kind of have this sort of spidery
Speaker 3: sense I suppose of how it was, and very accommodating.
Speaker 2: You're a people pleaser as a publicist.
Speaker 3: You want a photo, we're having dinner. That's fine, no problem,
Speaker 3: let me take a photo of you two. You know,
Speaker 3: you just became I don't know, And I think because
Speaker 3: we'd had global stars that working with Andrew, who was really,
Speaker 3: you know, top of his game, but only in a
Speaker 3: sport only that sounds terrible, in a sport that was
Speaker 3: very well known in New South Wales. He was absolute
Speaker 3: and he couldn't dance like her. You know, we could
Speaker 3: go to Melbourne and nobody would know him. You know,
Speaker 3: so there was that. I suppose you'd had the megastars
Speaker 3: and maybe that was a really good baptism for me
Speaker 3: of people are just people, and some.
Speaker 2: Famous people are nice and some are not so nice.
Speaker 1: You know, when you were out together, would you fall
Speaker 1: into that publicist role as his partner? Just?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 3: And you're also kind of you're very aware of what's
Speaker 3: going to be written you're very aware about. We will
Speaker 3: just save that argument till we get home, but we
Speaker 3: will smile. Well, I would think about things I'll say
Speaker 3: to you once we get home, or vice versa.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I remember we were at the top of the Arcter
Speaker 3: treeph having a row, as you do summer in Paris.
Speaker 3: It's all fun and games until you've walked for six
Speaker 3: hours and you've only had a beget for breakfast, and
Speaker 3: we're having a row, and it's like, you know, R
Speaker 3: and I'm about to storm off and suddenly, oh.
Speaker 2: Joey, can we get a photo? And I was like, sure, No,
Speaker 2: we didn't hear that we were about to push each
Speaker 2: other off the Arcter.
Speaker 1: Tree on and would people sort of not actually knock
Speaker 1: you over, although maybe in a bid to that idea
Speaker 1: of you being invisible definitely had.
Speaker 3: I remember being at the stadium where three guys had
Speaker 3: come over for a photo. We're watching a soccer game,
Speaker 3: and one of them was taking the photo. One sat
Speaker 3: next to Andrew on the spare chair, the other sat
Speaker 3: on me to be in a photo with atreus. That
Speaker 3: is taking invisible to a whole new sort of forego.
Speaker 2: I am here you are. I'm a human cheer thank
Speaker 2: you bugger off. Was it a relief to be dating normies?
Speaker 2: Do you know it was a relief?
Speaker 3: You know, I look back and I don't think I
Speaker 3: was a mega anxious mum. But you're a new mum
Speaker 3: and it's all new and trying to get the pram
Speaker 3: at the car and you know this, that and the other,
Speaker 3: and like if Lewis wanted to feed and suddenly I'm
Speaker 3: thinking I've got to get my boob out, but the
Speaker 3: cafe spotted that it's Andrew and now they're looking and
Speaker 3: I'm getting my boot Like, yeah, that was tough being
Speaker 3: a new mum.
Speaker 2: Did you feel like you people were watching you pimis
Speaker 2: or just watching because it's Joey?
Speaker 3: You know that first couple of years things like getting
Speaker 3: on a plane and walking down the aisle or going
Speaker 3: on a beach and no one looking at you was lovely.
Speaker 3: You know, you weren't there trying to get any swimmers going,
Speaker 3: oh my god, are those people are going to think
Speaker 3: that they thought you'd be with someone thinner or bigger
Speaker 3: booed or you know, oh my god, they're all looking
Speaker 3: us trying to get on the plane and it's really
Speaker 3: all good like that had gone, you know, So there
Speaker 3: was a real freedom where no one looks at you, because.
Speaker 1: I imagine there'd be also attention when you're in public.
Speaker 1: Is someone going to try to stop him? Is someone
Speaker 1: going to try to is he going to be in
Speaker 1: a bad mood? And you know, are we having a fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's invasive, you know. And I used to think I
Speaker 1: could walk away. Andrew couldn't take his face off. He's
Speaker 1: Andrew wherever we go. It's just like Beyonce is you know,
Speaker 1: if we're going to use.
Speaker 3: That comparison again, you go, that's exhausting, you know. I
Speaker 3: mean I get recognized a bit now I should. Let's
Speaker 3: say someone today walking around Centennial was like, you know,
Speaker 3: because I say hello to all the regulars, and this
Speaker 3: chap I don't know six He's like, I saw your
Speaker 3: book in the bookshop.
Speaker 2: He said, how's it going?
Speaker 3: I said, well, I still haven't gone another husband, but
Speaker 3: apart from that, it's going pretty well. You know. So
Speaker 3: there's moments like that, or there's moments now on the
Speaker 3: apps where our match with someone and they'll go, I
Speaker 3: saw you on news dot com and you're like, oh great,
Speaker 3: which ship headline was? What photo was it?
Speaker 2: Thanks? Anyway? Are you related to Andrew John's Yes, I'm
Speaker 2: his mum.
Speaker 1: No, I'm oh.
Speaker 2: You just want to stay of origin ticket, don't you.
Speaker 2: I can see where this is going, but it's all
Speaker 2: you know what, I just use it as content. Now.
Speaker 3: I think all those things, you know, you can generally
Speaker 3: flip them and make light of them.
Speaker 2: Did you really have sex with the moon boat on?
Speaker 2: I did? Yeah? How did that come about? Fish?
Speaker 3: No? No, I mean I'm crap on top. I've got
Speaker 3: really tight hamstrings and I've got no like rhythm on
Speaker 3: the dance floor, So on top even at the best time.
Speaker 3: And what do you do is that? Do you want
Speaker 3: me to do?
Speaker 2: Like a show? Are we doing charades? While I'm up there?
Speaker 2: I check my phone.
Speaker 3: I think I give a really good missionary. I really
Speaker 3: think I give it my all. Do jazz hands can
Speaker 3: really get into it. We can both get off, but yeah,
Speaker 3: less so with the moon boot because it really hurts.
Speaker 3: So you literally are like a starfish. It's not my
Speaker 3: finest moment.
Speaker 2: You know, you obviously felt you're in the mood. Well
Speaker 2: it was early days. Yeah, we just went gently giving
Speaker 2: it a good old college try.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you it's hard to dress around the
Speaker 3: moon boot in or out of the bedroom.
Speaker 2: And I'm very sexy.
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