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Speaker 1: Quickie discusses domestic violence and does describe some traumatic violent situation,

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Speaker 1: so please take care when listening. Hi. I'm Claire Murphy.

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Speaker 1: This is Muma MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday night, Tara Brown sat down with the parents

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Speaker 1: by her ex boyfriend just days after they'd called an

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Speaker 2: And then, yeah, so that was her, But I had

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Speaker 2: to come home, tell Peter Max play those moments every

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Speaker 1: Her death shocked the country and made international headlines with

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Speaker 1: the amount of pre planning undertaken and the seemingly unbright

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Speaker 1: year on from her death and find out if we've

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Speaker 1: to get a handle on the level of domestic violence

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Speaker 1: letter from the Quickie Newsroom, Tuesday, October twenty nine, Radio

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Speaker 1: star Jackie Oh has announced that she'll donate all the

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Speaker 1: profits from her new book to help those who find

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Speaker 1: themselves in a similar situation she did. Last week, Jackie

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Speaker 1: shared some of her memoir on air, reading out how

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Speaker 1: she had to check herself into the Betty Ford Clinic

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Speaker 1: issues with drinking and prescription drugs. She says since then,

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Speaker 1: thousands of people have reached out who face those same

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Speaker 1: donated to Odyssey House, who help those who are struggling

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Speaker 1: get the help they need. Twenty thousand New Yorkers packed

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Speaker 1: dark Gothic maga. Tony Hinchcliff, a maga comedian, called Puerto

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Speaker 1: Rico a floating island of garbage. Former Fox presenter Tucker

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Speaker 1: Nearly four million Australian women have experienced workplace sexual harassment

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Speaker 1: September twenty twenty three, Lillian Paul started a romantic relationship.

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Speaker 1: Lily's friends explained that they met Paul when Lily brought

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Speaker 2: They'd work together and they'd help each other out.

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Speaker 1: About two weeks after that catch up with friends, Lily

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Speaker 4: I think, for me, I really think that he was

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Speaker 1: In an addressed to students on the Monday that the

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Speaker 1: completely incongruent with who they knew. After tracing the anonymous

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Speaker 1: on October twenty sixth, eleven kilometers from where Lily was killed.

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Speaker 1: Investigators cordoned off an area of Diamond Bay where they

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Speaker 1: Police would also find more CCTV footage from that night,

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Speaker 1: How would they know him because he'd walked outside the

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Speaker 1: So a year after her death, as her parents speak

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Speaker 1: Phi Lily's family, twelve months may have passed, but their

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Speaker 4: Do you think the anger will ever go away? No?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think I'll want to put

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Speaker 5: more good use. You will never go away, Hello, believer

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Speaker 4: And I think if you knew what he did that night,

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Speaker 4: I think you'd understand why we why we can't forgive

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Speaker 4: I don't care.

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