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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Welcome to the Quickie. I'm table Strano. It's

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Speaker 2: really President Isaac Herzog is here. But not everyone has

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Speaker 2: rolled out the welcome wagon. So why has the ceremonial

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Speaker 2: head of state forced people out onto the streets and protests?

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Speaker 2: And what about the Jewish community still in morning following

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Speaker 2: the Bondai terrorist attack. More on that in a moment. First, though,

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Speaker 2: cler Murphy's got your news headlines to Tuesday, February ten.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Taylor. The Israeli president is set to carry on

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Speaker 3: with his Australian tour after thousands attended a protest against

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Speaker 3: his visit in Sydney, which descended into chaos. Organizers had

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Speaker 3: hoped to march through the city, but a court decision

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Speaker 3: brought in in the wake of the Bondai terror attack.

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Speaker 3: As the demonstration drew to an end, the group moved

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Speaker 3: calling on the hundreds of surrounding police to let them march,

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Speaker 3: but police restricted movement, forcing the large group into a gridlock.

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Speaker 3: Officers issued a move on order, but many within the

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Speaker 3: large packed crowd were unclear on the directions and the

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Speaker 3: situation quickly started to become chaotic. Police on foot and

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Speaker 3: on horseback formed a front and rushed the protesters as

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Speaker 3: they attempted to disperse them. Others were seen beating and

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Speaker 3: deploying pepper spray at attendees. At one point, a group

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Speaker 3: of Muslim men leading a prayer were ripped from their

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Speaker 3: those with press passes displayed, were also forcibly pushed away

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Speaker 3: from the scene by officers. Police said twenty seven people

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Speaker 3: the crowd stood peacefully enchanted in between speeches from people

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Speaker 3: like former Australian of the Year Grace Tame, Jewish academic

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Speaker 3: Anthony Lowenstein and Amnesty International Australia spokesman Muhammad Dua. Protests

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Speaker 3: across other major Australian cities also drew strong attendants. His

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Speaker 3: participants spoke out against Israel's bombardment and starvation of Gaza,

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Speaker 3: which has killed more than seventy thousand Palestinians. Mister Herzog

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Speaker 3: who was pictured signing an artillery shell that would be

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Speaker 3: inciting genocide. Was asked if he had a message for

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Speaker 3: the protesters, he claimed the demonstrations undermine and delegitimize Israel's existence.

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Speaker 3: The Australian who killed fifty one Muslims at two mosques

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Speaker 3: court he felt forced to admit to the crimes because

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Speaker 3: of irrationality due to harsh prison conditions. Brent and Tarrant

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Speaker 3: appeared in the Court of Appeal in Wellington yesterday seeking

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Speaker 3: which was averted when he admitted to the shooting in

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Speaker 3: March twenty twenty. He's also seeking to appeal his sense

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Speaker 3: of life without the chance of parole, which had never

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Speaker 3: a few months before his trial was due to begin

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Speaker 3: because there was little else he could do. When told

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Speaker 3: across as confident, assured, and mentally well, reflecting the political

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Speaker 3: movement he's a part of. The hearing is due to

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Speaker 3: US lawmakers have tried to interview Gallaine Maxwell, but the

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Speaker 3: former girlfriend and confidan of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 3: video call to the federal prison camp in Texas, where

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Speaker 3: she's serving a twenty year sentence for sex trafficking. The

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Speaker 3: deposition part of a push by lawmakers searching for anyone

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Speaker 3: who was connected to Epstein and may have facilitated his abuse. However,

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Speaker 3: Maxwell has been seeking to have her conviction overturned, arguing

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Speaker 3: the questioning, Maxwell's legal representative, David Marcus said his client

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Speaker 3: clemency by President Trump, saying some may not like what

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Speaker 3: wrongdoing and Miss Maxwell alone can explain why, and the

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Speaker 3: public is entitled to that explanation. The winners at the

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Speaker 3: Milano Cortina Winter Olympics are reporting their medals of falling

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Speaker 3: prospect of meeting British diving Olympian champion Tom Daley, who

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Speaker 3: like her as a keen knitter. US skier Breezy Johnson

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Speaker 3: Sweden's cross country skier Ebba Anderson said her silver metal

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Speaker 3: There's footage of the moment German biathlete Justice Strello realizes

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Speaker 3: dancing with his teammates, while US figure skater Alisa Lou

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Speaker 3: writing my medal don't need the ribbon. Games organizers say

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Speaker 3: they're working on a solution to the problem while they

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Speaker 3: try to understand what's gone wrong with the hardware. Ozzie

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Speaker 3: Michael Dixon is celebrating his team, the Seattle Seahawks super

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Speaker 3: home for some local cuisine. Dixon, who is the second

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Speaker 3: Australian to win the NFL's big Game, told reporters after

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Speaker 3: can't wait to get home to eat some chips with

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Speaker 3: Sydney boorn Pante told Channel nine that he's tried to

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Speaker 1: That's really That's what I'm missing.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm missing. Chicken salt is the best, Oh

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Speaker 2: chicken salt.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I try and put the guys on here,

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Speaker 1: but they don't. They don't get it.

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Speaker 2: They don't get it.

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Speaker 3: Dixon had commentators raving when a final quarter fifty five

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Speaker 3: He joins Philadelphia's Bankstown born Jordan Mailata, who broke the

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Speaker 3: drought last year as the only Ossie to play in

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claid. Next, who is Isaac Herzog and why has

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Speaker 2: his arrivaled down under divided people. It's been fifty eight

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Speaker 2: days since two men open fire on a Jewish community

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Speaker 2: gathering in Sydney's East, an event that has since been

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Speaker 2: recognized as the Bondai terrorist attack, claiming the lives of

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Speaker 2: fifteen people. In the weeks since that attack, Parliament was recalled,

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Speaker 2: now Australia is playing host to a visit from Israel's

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Speaker 2: President Isaac Herzog. Officially, this visit has been signaled as

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Speaker 2: a gesture of solidarity and unity for those impacted by

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Speaker 2: the terrorist attack, But unofficially, Herzog's very presence here has

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Speaker 2: caused division. So who is he and why are people

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Speaker 2: so outraged he is here? Isaac Herzog has been Israel's

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Speaker 2: president since twenty twenty one. The presidency in Israel is

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Speaker 2: the head of state, science, laws and treaties, and has

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Speaker 2: as Israel's own courts put it, is to embody the

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Speaker 2: country's moral and democratic values and act as a non

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Speaker 2: partisan symbol of unity. Herzog's visit here was formally invited

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Speaker 2: by Anthony Alberanezi after the Bondai terrorist attack, with the

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Speaker 2: Australia's Jewish community and stand against terrorism and hatred. For

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Speaker 2: many community leaders, particularly mainstream Jewish organizations, his presence is

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Speaker 2: being welcomed a sign the government has their back after

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Speaker 2: months of rising anti semitism, But not everyone wants him here.

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Speaker 2: Pro Palestinian groups, flagged rallies and marches in every capital city,

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Speaker 2: Herald declaring Isaac Herzog is not welcome in Australia. They

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Speaker 1: In the circumstances, and well, we've got a credible accusation

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Speaker 1: of someone who has committed the crimes of all crimes.

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Speaker 1: They should not be welcomed into this country because it

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Speaker 1: sends a signal that we accept for genocide, that we

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Speaker 1: endorse it, and that there will be no consequences for

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Speaker 1: committing one of the most heinous crimes against humanity.

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Speaker 2: That's a mal nassa organizer for the Palestinian Action Group,

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Speaker 2: A big part of the anger goes back to Herzog's

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Speaker 2: own words. In the days after her mass October seven attack,

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Speaker 2: in a widely reported briefing, he said of Gaza that

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Speaker 2: it's an entire nation out there that is responsible. Human

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Speaker 2: rights groups said this statement blurred the lines between combatants

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Speaker 2: Commission of Inquiry, which concluded last year that Israel's campaign

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Speaker 2: in Gaza amounted to genocide and named Herzog as one

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Speaker 2: an image that quickly circulated online. All of this is

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Speaker 2: On one side, there were moves to titan protest laws

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Speaker 2: Co chair of the Australian Council of Jury Peter Werdheim

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Speaker 2: says everybody has the right to protest, but it must

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Speaker 4: But if they want to go marching and they disruptilize

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Speaker 4: other people, that's a different story. That's going beyond just

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Speaker 4: merely the right to protest. That's the right to seek

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Speaker 4: to impose your opinions on others by impleting the way

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Speaker 4: they go about living their ordinary lives. And of course

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Speaker 4: what is said during these protests is also of significance,

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Speaker 4: because if it's simply to protest the real or imagined

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Speaker 4: that's a part and parcel of political discourse anywhere. But

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Speaker 4: if it goes beyond that and starts to invoke racist

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Speaker 4: tropes about Jews and recreate in modern form traditional anti

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Speaker 4: that's going far beyond merely the right to protest. That's

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Speaker 2: Journalist and digital media editor at the Australia Israel and

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Speaker 2: Jewish Affairs Council Rebecca David says Herzog's visit will bring

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Speaker 2: comfort to a community still in mourning.

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Speaker 5: President Herzog's visit here is one of reassurance of solidarity

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Speaker 5: and as he spoke from Bondai, it's to feel that

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Speaker 5: connection from Israel and from our brothers and sisters in

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Speaker 5: Israel and know that we're not alone as a Jewish community.

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Speaker 5: But also for all Australians, as he also said, this

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Speaker 5: is an Australian problem, it's a global problem anti Semitism,

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Speaker 5: it's not unique to Australia, and so as a country,

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Speaker 5: we all need to join together and heal together, and

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Speaker 5: this visit is part of that healing.

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Speaker 2: Zog's visit itself has become kind of a lightning rod,

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Speaker 2: a test of how the country balances solidarity with its

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Speaker 2: Amal says Australia must hold Herzog to the same standard

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Speaker 2: as others accused of similar crimes.

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Speaker 1: If tomorrow, god forbid, our Russian Australian died in a

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Speaker 1: similar way, we would not invite putin into our borders

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Speaker 1: to mourn them. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: We cannot invite leaders who are credibly accused of crimes

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The Quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano,

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Speaker 2: Ilaria Brophy and Clere Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.

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Speaker 3: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on