WEBVTT - Jules Robinson's pre-eclampsia struggle 0:00:21.773 --> 0:00:24.453 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:25.212 --> 0:00:28.413 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:28.453 --> 0:00:31.493 that this podcast is recorded on. We pay our respects 0:00:31.533 --> 0:00:35.092 to elder's past, present and emerging and feel privileged to 0:00:35.132 --> 0:00:38.253 continue the sharing of birth stories and knowledge that has 0:00:38.293 --> 0:00:40.852 been a fundamental part of Indigenous culture. 0:00:44.933 --> 0:00:45.133 Hi. 0:00:45.253 --> 0:00:48.293 I'm Cassanna Lukit and this is diary of her birth. 0:00:48.772 --> 0:00:51.613 Today we hear the story of a second time mum 0:00:51.893 --> 0:00:55.253 who was keen to emulate her perfect birth with number one. 0:00:55.773 --> 0:00:57.373 And I was like, oh, I've had all the chili, 0:00:57.533 --> 0:00:59.973 I've had the pineapple, I've done this, and I've done that, 0:01:00.053 --> 0:01:01.533 and she said, look, the only thing that's going to 0:01:01.613 --> 0:01:06.853 work is semen. So got home, had the most comical 0:01:06.893 --> 0:01:09.533 sex you've ever could imagine, Like it was hilarious. But 0:01:09.573 --> 0:01:13.532 then within two hours later, my water broke. She did 0:01:13.573 --> 0:01:16.253 everything right for her own body in this second pregnancy, 0:01:16.413 --> 0:01:20.133 but of course bub had other plans. I was naked. 0:01:20.212 --> 0:01:22.173 It was like a two day ben die. You know why. 0:01:22.253 --> 0:01:25.013 I'd been there for like seven hours and Cam actually 0:01:25.053 --> 0:01:27.533 said that I was starting to drift underwater, like in 0:01:27.613 --> 0:01:30.573 between the surges. But after the birth she had to 0:01:30.573 --> 0:01:33.812 deal with a form of one of the scariest pregnancy conditions. 0:01:34.212 --> 0:01:36.772 It's super super rare, but it was really scary because 0:01:36.773 --> 0:01:39.133 they're like, if we don't control this, like you could 0:01:39.173 --> 0:01:43.133 actually have a stroke. But her story works out beautifully 0:01:43.453 --> 0:01:45.132 and then at the end my husband was like, you 0:01:45.173 --> 0:01:47.053 are incredible and I've had enough energy. It would have 0:01:47.053 --> 0:01:50.693 been like I fucking know. So let's get into it 0:01:50.733 --> 0:01:52.053 and meet today's mum. 0:01:52.333 --> 0:01:52.493 Hi. 0:01:52.532 --> 0:01:54.332 I'm Jills Robinson and this is the Diary of my 0:01:54.373 --> 0:01:55.213 birth with Carter. 0:01:58.813 --> 0:02:02.573 Jules is one of Australia's most love personalities. We watched 0:02:02.573 --> 0:02:05.172 her and Cam fall in love on TV and now 0:02:05.173 --> 0:02:08.173 we get to see their family grow. Jules can laugh 0:02:08.373 --> 0:02:10.973 like all mums about how busy she thought her pre 0:02:11.133 --> 0:02:12.093 baby life was. 0:02:12.733 --> 0:02:15.493 Well, I thought I was busy. Then I look back 0:02:15.532 --> 0:02:18.252 and think, God, my life was blissful and I was 0:02:18.252 --> 0:02:20.653 still very busy, but I just had so much more 0:02:20.773 --> 0:02:24.532 spare time. It was something that I always wanted, was 0:02:24.573 --> 0:02:26.573 to have children in my thirties. That's when it kind 0:02:26.573 --> 0:02:28.413 of hit me like, yep, I want to have a child. 0:02:28.453 --> 0:02:30.733 Before that, I never really thought about it. I had 0:02:30.733 --> 0:02:33.253 a little bit convincing to do with my husband to 0:02:33.292 --> 0:02:34.973 get him to speed up to where I was because 0:02:34.972 --> 0:02:37.453 I'm a little bit older than him. But a honeymoon, 0:02:37.493 --> 0:02:40.893 we started trying and two months later I was pregnant. 0:02:41.493 --> 0:02:43.133 You know, all those tests that I did, lived in 0:02:43.173 --> 0:02:45.373 fear for five years. I really shouldn't have wasted so 0:02:45.453 --> 0:02:47.893 much energy on thinking that maybe it wasn't going to happen. 0:02:47.972 --> 0:02:51.252 Because a chart telling me that I had low count 0:02:51.333 --> 0:02:54.413 and all that, I just put my hand up. I 0:02:54.412 --> 0:02:56.653 did my head in for no reason, and within two 0:02:56.733 --> 0:03:00.252 months I was very fortunate and manifested that little baby 0:03:00.252 --> 0:03:03.332 into my life. My birth with Olli, my first son, 0:03:03.532 --> 0:03:06.653 was like my birth wish came completely true. It was 0:03:06.733 --> 0:03:10.012 a four hour berth. All the effort I put into 0:03:10.132 --> 0:03:14.493 my hypno birthing, it really was amazing. My husband was amazing, 0:03:14.532 --> 0:03:16.692 and I couldn't have asked for a better birth wish 0:03:16.733 --> 0:03:18.253 that really did happen for me. 0:03:18.813 --> 0:03:22.333 We love hearing about these incredible berths that follow their plan. 0:03:22.613 --> 0:03:25.333 But like many new mums, Jewels found the next step 0:03:25.453 --> 0:03:29.533 a real challenge. Bringing him home was really hard. I 0:03:29.572 --> 0:03:31.412 look back on it now and afterwards. 0:03:31.412 --> 0:03:33.972 I was diagnosed with pre mensial dyspic disorder, and that's 0:03:33.972 --> 0:03:36.493 when It really hit home after getting my first period 0:03:36.533 --> 0:03:39.533 after having Ollie, and it was a really testing time 0:03:39.613 --> 0:03:42.773 having a newborn, got my ol plates on, and then 0:03:42.853 --> 0:03:45.333 having to deal with this diagnosis at the same time. 0:03:45.693 --> 0:03:48.813 But Jewels soon settled into motherhood and it wasn't long 0:03:48.973 --> 0:03:53.173 until she started wanting to add to her brood. We 0:03:53.533 --> 0:03:57.853 started trying for Carter baby number two when Ollie was 0:03:58.013 --> 0:04:01.533 about not even two years old. We were like, yep, 0:04:01.613 --> 0:04:03.813 let's give it a go. So it took two years 0:04:03.893 --> 0:04:07.492 really for it to happen. I really discovered the aa 0:04:07.533 --> 0:04:10.893 aadic medicine and went down that route, and when I 0:04:10.933 --> 0:04:13.853 had my first consultation, it just the penny dropped. There 0:04:13.893 --> 0:04:15.452 was no way my body was going to make a baby. 0:04:15.493 --> 0:04:18.053 It was on fire. So I really had to tap 0:04:18.093 --> 0:04:21.693 into my calm, my meditation. I stopped doing any adrenaline 0:04:21.773 --> 0:04:25.253 kind of exercise, and I really believe all this contributed 0:04:25.293 --> 0:04:27.253 to me falling pregnant again. As I said, it took 0:04:27.293 --> 0:04:30.253 nearly two years to even when it actually happened, I 0:04:30.293 --> 0:04:33.173 was like, oh my god, is this actually real? Like 0:04:33.253 --> 0:04:35.413 the line was so faint and I had it on 0:04:35.493 --> 0:04:37.853 every angle possible, and I'm like, is it there is 0:04:37.853 --> 0:04:40.453 it just because I wanted to be there, and yeah, 0:04:40.493 --> 0:04:42.893 it happened, it just didn't feel real because I've been 0:04:42.893 --> 0:04:43.733 waiting so long for. 0:04:43.773 --> 0:04:47.053 It And now that she'd entered a new decade, Jill's 0:04:47.093 --> 0:04:50.093 found this second pregnancy a different experience. 0:04:50.653 --> 0:04:52.893 I do believe that it hits different in your forties. 0:04:53.093 --> 0:04:56.373 I really do. Like I was so fit this time. 0:04:56.733 --> 0:04:59.293 I was the personal trainer up until five days before 0:04:59.573 --> 0:05:01.893 I gave birth, But there were times in the evening 0:05:01.893 --> 0:05:04.013 where I'm like, is that like gonna move in front 0:05:04.013 --> 0:05:06.893 of the other. It was quite tabilitating, but overall, like, 0:05:07.053 --> 0:05:10.813 I really enjoy being pregnant. The first trimester a little 0:05:10.853 --> 0:05:13.813 bit sick or the usual things, but the second I 0:05:13.853 --> 0:05:17.973 am on full force, I am nesting. I just get 0:05:18.053 --> 0:05:21.693 shit done. Like I actually really enjoyed that about being pregnant. 0:05:22.053 --> 0:05:24.133 And then as I got bigger Ideah, it was a 0:05:24.173 --> 0:05:27.213 little bit debilitating but absolutely healthy. 0:05:27.973 --> 0:05:28.213 Yeah. 0:05:28.453 --> 0:05:30.533 I'm one of those like annoying people that say I 0:05:30.573 --> 0:05:33.133 love being pregnant, like I love watching my body change. 0:05:33.373 --> 0:05:37.813 I love all that. So after an enjoyable but tiring pregnancy, 0:05:38.013 --> 0:05:40.773 the end came into sight for Jewels. So at the 0:05:40.853 --> 0:05:44.493 end of my pregnancy, I was super fit up until 0:05:44.573 --> 0:05:46.773 the very last minute. I've been at water aerobics. On 0:05:46.813 --> 0:05:50.013 the Saturday, I had acupuncture to bring on the birth 0:05:50.053 --> 0:05:52.213 as well. On the Saturday, I had a thing about 0:05:52.213 --> 0:05:55.013 it falling on exactly the same day because my first 0:05:55.093 --> 0:05:57.413 child was on d Day, and I was like, this 0:05:57.453 --> 0:05:59.253 one's going to come to it, So anything's in time 0:05:59.293 --> 0:06:01.453 in my life is my children. So I had the 0:06:01.453 --> 0:06:04.173 acupunture and I got off the bed and my stomach 0:06:04.213 --> 0:06:07.053 had dropped so much. It was quite painful having that acupuncture, 0:06:07.413 --> 0:06:10.693 and I'm quite sensitive to things, so by that evening 0:06:10.733 --> 0:06:12.813 I was really starting to get the feels. And my 0:06:12.853 --> 0:06:14.373 parents came because they were going to stay with us 0:06:14.373 --> 0:06:16.493 for a week when we brought this child into the world, 0:06:16.893 --> 0:06:19.653 so that was fantastic. And then on the Monday it 0:06:19.693 --> 0:06:22.093 didn't come all the fields. And then on the Monday 0:06:22.133 --> 0:06:25.053 two days later, I went into water aerobics and in 0:06:25.093 --> 0:06:27.533 the pool there was a midwife who funnily enough, ended 0:06:27.573 --> 0:06:29.333 up seeing in hospital at Northern Beaches a couple of 0:06:29.373 --> 0:06:31.453 days later, and I was like, Oh, I've had all 0:06:31.493 --> 0:06:34.053 the chili, I've had the pineapple, I've done this, and 0:06:34.053 --> 0:06:35.693 I've done that and done this. She said, look, the 0:06:35.693 --> 0:06:38.133 only thing that's going to work is semen. And I 0:06:38.213 --> 0:06:40.333 was like, really, where's out? And she's explaining how it's 0:06:40.373 --> 0:06:42.333 got something in it that helps open up be a 0:06:42.373 --> 0:06:44.773 pelvic floor. And I was like, she because it's almost 0:06:44.813 --> 0:06:47.293 like being in juice, Like it's the same. There's something 0:06:47.333 --> 0:06:50.093 in it that's the same. Anyway, So I was like okay. 0:06:50.333 --> 0:06:54.893 So I got home, had the most comical sex you've 0:06:54.933 --> 0:06:57.533 ever could imagine, Like it was hilarious. But then within 0:06:57.573 --> 0:06:59.973 two hours later, my water broke. So there's got to 0:06:59.973 --> 0:07:03.373 be something in that. There you go, an old wives 0:07:03.413 --> 0:07:06.613 tale proven true. Later in this episode, you'll hear the 0:07:06.653 --> 0:07:09.452 science behind this from doctor Gollye and what other tricks 0:07:09.493 --> 0:07:11.733 you can do at home that are proven to bring 0:07:11.773 --> 0:07:16.093 on labor. Right, So, Jules's water had broken, and it 0:07:16.133 --> 0:07:19.213 broke like the movies, not like a little trickle. It 0:07:19.293 --> 0:07:21.293 was like, oh my god, this is like the movies, 0:07:21.333 --> 0:07:24.453 which genuinely doesn't happen like that. So and I was 0:07:24.613 --> 0:07:26.173 lying on the couch and I have my son in 0:07:26.173 --> 0:07:28.533 my hands and I was bringing on the oxytocin. I 0:07:28.573 --> 0:07:30.813 was just stroking him and feeling all the love and 0:07:30.853 --> 0:07:32.773 he fell asleep and I actually was getting up to 0:07:32.893 --> 0:07:35.853 go to bed, which was actually not great then going 0:07:35.893 --> 0:07:38.373 into labor, because I was like so knackered by you know, 0:07:38.413 --> 0:07:39.973 eight o'clock at night, as you do in the last 0:07:40.013 --> 0:07:41.973 Droe mister Yeah. And I got up and it was like, 0:07:42.093 --> 0:07:45.573 oh my god, Wow, Okay, we're on and because of 0:07:45.693 --> 0:07:48.333 my last birth being in four hours, ring the hospital 0:07:48.333 --> 0:07:49.773 and they're like you get in here quick, girl, because 0:07:49.773 --> 0:07:52.573 it's gonna happen. So packed our bags and off we went, 0:07:53.253 --> 0:07:55.173 coming up. And then I was on the floor and 0:07:55.213 --> 0:07:56.413 they're like, you got to get up to the bed, 0:07:56.453 --> 0:07:58.413 and I just was like this mountain goat. I was like, 0:07:58.453 --> 0:08:09.173 oh my god, it's just so far away. So after 0:08:09.213 --> 0:08:11.613 a quick drive to the hospital, Jewels and camp pulled 0:08:11.693 --> 0:08:14.333 up around a quarter to nine that night. I was 0:08:14.373 --> 0:08:17.813 definitely starting to get the surges and feeling it, and 0:08:17.853 --> 0:08:21.093 I used a tennis machine on my first burd and 0:08:22.093 --> 0:08:24.333 hands up, I will tell anyone that will listen, if 0:08:24.373 --> 0:08:26.893 you're wanting to give birth or you're tougher with any 0:08:26.973 --> 0:08:30.133 kind of pain, this machine basically tricks your brain of 0:08:30.173 --> 0:08:32.373 where the pain is and it takes your mind off 0:08:32.413 --> 0:08:35.852 what's happening, and it honestly is a game changer, especially 0:08:35.852 --> 0:08:38.093 because I was going in with the ambition to have 0:08:38.133 --> 0:08:41.372 a natural birth again as in meaning nothing no chemicals, 0:08:41.413 --> 0:08:43.333 like you know, no needles or anything like that. So 0:08:44.053 --> 0:08:47.093 I got into hospital and my husband is useless on 0:08:47.133 --> 0:08:48.773 no sleep, so I knew that I had a little 0:08:48.773 --> 0:08:49.973 bit to go until I was going to get to 0:08:50.013 --> 0:08:51.973 the place. I was like, you go to sleep and 0:08:52.013 --> 0:08:54.252 I'll be here. So I had my meditation tape some 0:08:54.293 --> 0:08:56.933 on really got in the zone, bouncing up and down, 0:08:57.573 --> 0:08:59.053 and then I just kind of got a bit over 0:08:59.253 --> 0:09:01.173 the hypno voice, like it gets a little bit after 0:09:01.173 --> 0:09:03.253 a couple of hours, I'm done with you. And I 0:09:03.293 --> 0:09:07.653 spent about six months making a birth wish playlist on Spotify, 0:09:08.133 --> 0:09:10.453 and every midwife's like, oh my god, your music's amazing. 0:09:10.493 --> 0:09:12.973 And it really was like Belses that you can sing 0:09:13.093 --> 0:09:14.893 just songs that you know, a little bit of romance, 0:09:14.893 --> 0:09:17.453 a little bit of cheese, like just a really good 0:09:17.493 --> 0:09:20.213 playlist that is just perfect in that setting. I know 0:09:20.213 --> 0:09:23.413 what you're gonna ask, which bangers does Jules Robinson have 0:09:23.493 --> 0:09:26.773 on her birthday playlist? Well, let's take a dive in 0:09:26.813 --> 0:09:27.293 to listen. 0:09:28.893 --> 0:09:34.773 I Love you down to your bom naked in faith. 0:09:34.853 --> 0:09:41.093 It on me that way, you know, I bebb there you. 0:09:43.333 --> 0:09:54.573 Say I've got enough, And I saw my reflection in 0:09:54.773 --> 0:09:56.732 snow booties. 0:09:58.613 --> 0:10:02.253 So after I got to about four hours where you know, 0:10:02.293 --> 0:10:04.493 the midwife was like she didn't check if I was dilated, 0:10:04.493 --> 0:10:06.333 because she's like, you really do know your body and 0:10:06.333 --> 0:10:07.773 you're very in tune with it. She's like, you just 0:10:07.773 --> 0:10:10.373 do what you need to do. And after about four hours, 0:10:10.413 --> 0:10:12.653 like I just wasn't feeling like I was getting to 0:10:12.733 --> 0:10:15.093 the next level. Like I was like, it's coming, it's near, 0:10:15.613 --> 0:10:17.853 but I know that there was a lot more to go. 0:10:18.613 --> 0:10:20.893 So my tens machine basically wasn't on that high, like 0:10:20.893 --> 0:10:22.933 I was just channeling through it. So she came in 0:10:22.973 --> 0:10:26.373 and she said, look, my intuition tells me that your 0:10:26.533 --> 0:10:28.653 water hasn't fully broken. I'm like, really, oh my god, 0:10:28.693 --> 0:10:30.173 you should have seen what happened on the floor in 0:10:30.213 --> 0:10:33.013 my hallway. So she got out this thing that I 0:10:33.053 --> 0:10:36.693 can only explain as like a big knitting needle, and 0:10:36.733 --> 0:10:40.493 she then inserted it to break my water. And she 0:10:40.613 --> 0:10:43.133 was right. It was basically I'd done four or five 0:10:43.173 --> 0:10:46.693 hours of the head just hitting on this little puddle 0:10:46.733 --> 0:10:49.253 of water in a sack, which is why after birth 0:10:49.293 --> 0:10:53.213 I then got pubist symphonius disorder, which is basically just 0:10:53.253 --> 0:10:56.333 that belting on the pelvic floor. Like I just reallyok 0:10:56.413 --> 0:10:59.413 that bone was so painful, like I couldn't walk about 0:10:59.413 --> 0:11:02.213 a week afterwards, like it was sliding. There was no 0:11:02.293 --> 0:11:05.213 lifting of the feet at all. So once she did that, 0:11:05.333 --> 0:11:07.213 and also but in that moment, I was like, Okay, 0:11:07.293 --> 0:11:09.373 I'm bored of this. I'm bored of this scenario. And 0:11:09.413 --> 0:11:12.133 I wanted also to have a different berth than last time, 0:11:12.173 --> 0:11:14.773 just to experience something new. So I got into the 0:11:14.813 --> 0:11:18.333 bath and within like honestly three minutes like not to 0:11:18.373 --> 0:11:21.613 one thousand from her then piersing the water. So in 0:11:21.693 --> 0:11:24.653 the bath I enjoyed it. It wasn't for me though. 0:11:24.693 --> 0:11:27.933 I did a couple of hours and eventually like I 0:11:28.053 --> 0:11:30.373 was knacked. It was like a two day bender, you 0:11:30.413 --> 0:11:33.013 know why. I'd been there for like seven hours, and 0:11:33.053 --> 0:11:35.813 Cam actually said that I was starting to drift underwater 0:11:35.973 --> 0:11:39.253 like in between the surges because I was so tired, 0:11:39.293 --> 0:11:40.933 like I really gave it my all. But I also 0:11:40.973 --> 0:11:44.012 think that I wasn't letting myself get to the next stage. 0:11:44.053 --> 0:11:46.533 I don't know, I just wasn't sold on the whole 0:11:46.573 --> 0:11:48.533 water thing. I enjoyed. It was different. It was good 0:11:48.533 --> 0:11:50.852 to do something different. So anyway, I got out and 0:11:50.853 --> 0:11:52.492 I was having a little bit gas by that point, 0:11:53.253 --> 0:11:54.853 and they were like, okay, let's get you back to 0:11:54.853 --> 0:11:56.493 the bed, and oh my god, like from the bath 0:11:56.533 --> 0:11:59.093 to the bed was like a million miles away, and 0:11:59.093 --> 0:12:01.293 I was like, okay, I can do it. Anyway, I 0:12:01.333 --> 0:12:04.173 got there, and of course they must put like towels 0:12:04.213 --> 0:12:07.493 in ovens or something in the hospital because I was freezing, 0:12:07.533 --> 0:12:08.893 and also the fact of having to get out of 0:12:08.933 --> 0:12:10.373 the water and get over there was quite you know, 0:12:10.453 --> 0:12:12.413 not the most pleasant thing. So I got out and 0:12:12.413 --> 0:12:13.893 there wrapped me up in the sheet and got me 0:12:13.933 --> 0:12:16.773 warm really quickly before the next contraction was coming. And 0:12:16.813 --> 0:12:18.493 I just was like, give me gas, give me my 0:12:18.573 --> 0:12:21.093 tens and everything. So I finally got it on and 0:12:21.093 --> 0:12:22.252 then I was on the floor and they're like, you 0:12:22.333 --> 0:12:23.693 gotta get up to the bed, and I just was 0:12:23.773 --> 0:12:25.653 like this mountain goat. I was like, oh my god, 0:12:25.653 --> 0:12:28.773 it's just so far away. And by this time I 0:12:28.813 --> 0:12:30.413 was on a bit of gas, so everything was just 0:12:30.453 --> 0:12:33.613 like airy fairy. And then Cam and I looked at 0:12:33.613 --> 0:12:35.253 each other in the eye and if by this time 0:12:35.293 --> 0:12:38.133 it was like oh six am, you know, I'd been 0:12:38.173 --> 0:12:40.133 at it like and I'd been giving at my all 0:12:40.973 --> 0:12:42.573 and we looked at each other and when you know 0:12:42.693 --> 0:12:45.573 your partner inside it out, our eyes just basically said, 0:12:46.293 --> 0:12:48.413 if I'm not fully dilated, I don't care, like to 0:12:48.453 --> 0:12:50.173 get this baby out of me, I do not care 0:12:50.213 --> 0:12:54.453 what happens like because I'm done anyway. So of course 0:12:54.573 --> 0:12:56.653 checked and they're like, you're fully dilated, this is it, 0:12:56.693 --> 0:12:58.213 And I just was like, I just had to dig 0:12:58.293 --> 0:13:01.893 so deep. And yeah, the gas was great. Gas highly 0:13:01.933 --> 0:13:05.253 recommend giving birth and a tens machine and I remember 0:13:05.893 --> 0:13:10.173 clicking the tens machine so far that my stomach was 0:13:10.213 --> 0:13:12.613 contracting at the same time. And then I remember thinking, 0:13:12.653 --> 0:13:13.933 oh my god, what if I've gone to the end, 0:13:13.973 --> 0:13:15.653 because I knew there was still more that was going 0:13:15.693 --> 0:13:17.853 to more pain was going to come, so then I 0:13:17.853 --> 0:13:21.613 had to retract it back and then go again. And yeah, 0:13:21.893 --> 0:13:24.732 and you know what's really amazing. On my birth wish 0:13:24.773 --> 0:13:28.293 playlist in my home, I have for my first son 0:13:29.053 --> 0:13:32.413 a beautiful big artwork that has like Northern Beach's Hospital 0:13:32.453 --> 0:13:33.813 or the date that he was born in the time 0:13:34.133 --> 0:13:36.693 and his birth song, which was Rise Up and it 0:13:36.733 --> 0:13:40.333 has the music the sound notes of it printed and 0:13:40.373 --> 0:13:43.133 to my son Carter, I actually gave birth to that song. 0:13:43.613 --> 0:13:46.573 It was actually really really amazing and I was like, oh, 0:13:46.653 --> 0:13:49.613 that's so special because it's such a beautiful, empowering song. 0:13:50.253 --> 0:13:52.852 And yeah, so anyway, it was thirteen hours in the 0:13:52.973 --> 0:13:55.653 end and it was oh and then at the end 0:13:55.653 --> 0:13:57.813 my husband was like, you are incredible, and I've had 0:13:57.853 --> 0:13:59.732 enough energy. It would have been like I fucking know. 0:14:01.373 --> 0:14:04.213 So Jules had finally done it. I wondered if she'd 0:14:04.293 --> 0:14:07.893 change anything if she could. It was amazing. It was 0:14:08.173 --> 0:14:11.573 really hard, like if I go again, like I think 0:14:11.613 --> 0:14:13.893 I might do an epidural, like it was like the 0:14:13.973 --> 0:14:16.053 four hours the first time, Like oh my god, that 0:14:16.133 --> 0:14:17.893 was amazing, Like just going in and out and have 0:14:17.933 --> 0:14:21.133 a baby like this was this took every bit of 0:14:21.213 --> 0:14:24.253 energy from me. And as I said, like, it does 0:14:24.333 --> 0:14:26.493 hit different in your forties, like I just my body. 0:14:27.133 --> 0:14:30.133 It feels different having a baby this time round. Maybe 0:14:30.173 --> 0:14:32.693 because it's the second one. I don't know, but yeah, 0:14:32.773 --> 0:14:35.733 I mean I love the process of giving birth. I think, 0:14:35.773 --> 0:14:37.653 you know, as a woman, it's the most amazing thing 0:14:37.693 --> 0:14:41.813 you can go through. Jules had done the incredible birthed 0:14:41.813 --> 0:14:46.333 a beautiful baby boy. But unfortunately the health concerns didn't 0:14:46.373 --> 0:14:50.693 stop when Carter came out. So I was in hospital 0:14:50.773 --> 0:14:56.213 only for the two days, which was great, but I 0:14:56.293 --> 0:15:01.213 could start to feel I had really bad mistitis the 0:15:01.293 --> 0:15:03.173 first time round, like so badly that I had to 0:15:03.173 --> 0:15:05.733 go back to hospital for five days. So I was 0:15:05.893 --> 0:15:08.573 very on the fence of like, oh, should I breastfeed 0:15:08.653 --> 0:15:11.533 again because I was so sick last time. I couldn't 0:15:11.533 --> 0:15:13.893 actually look after my baby like I'm talking like my 0:15:13.973 --> 0:15:16.813 scalp hurt my skin her like, I was so ill. 0:15:17.453 --> 0:15:18.933 So I thought, nah, give it a go, give it 0:15:18.933 --> 0:15:22.333 a go. And I did try, and then I came 0:15:22.373 --> 0:15:24.613 home forty eight. I was in the hospital for two days. 0:15:24.693 --> 0:15:26.013 I came home and the midwife came out and my 0:15:26.013 --> 0:15:29.413 blood pressure was so high that they then said, look, 0:15:29.453 --> 0:15:31.253 you have to go back to hospital. And I was like, 0:15:31.653 --> 0:15:33.733 all right, find the positive. I got back to hospital, 0:15:33.733 --> 0:15:35.693 but at least I can use their fantastic pump and 0:15:35.773 --> 0:15:37.653 I can, you know, really get going on that while 0:15:37.693 --> 0:15:39.333 I'm sitting in there waiting for the doctors and the 0:15:39.373 --> 0:15:41.373 tests and everything. So I went back in there and 0:15:41.413 --> 0:15:43.613 I think I pumped like ten meals or something, you 0:15:43.653 --> 0:15:47.053 know like that. And yeah, unfortunately, my blood pressure just 0:15:47.173 --> 0:15:49.733 kept on rising like super super high. I had I'd 0:15:49.773 --> 0:15:51.293 had had a headache for two days, but I just 0:15:51.333 --> 0:15:53.213 didn't really think about it. And it turns out I 0:15:53.253 --> 0:15:56.653 had pre eclempsia, which is something that you generally get 0:15:56.693 --> 0:16:00.053 when you are pregnant towards the end. So this is 0:16:00.093 --> 0:16:02.573 like it's super super rare. But it was really scary 0:16:02.613 --> 0:16:04.933 because they're like, if we don't control this, like you 0:16:04.973 --> 0:16:07.493 could actually have a stroke or you could you know. 0:16:07.533 --> 0:16:09.213 And I'm there just go, oh my god. All I'm 0:16:09.213 --> 0:16:10.733 trying to do is get some milk out of me 0:16:10.733 --> 0:16:13.133 in here. I've been told that. So yeah, that wasn't fun. 0:16:13.333 --> 0:16:15.053 Wasn't That wasn't fun at all? And then so then 0:16:15.093 --> 0:16:18.573 I was in hospital for another three days with that. 0:16:18.893 --> 0:16:21.653 And then my boobs, oh my god, my boobs. I 0:16:21.693 --> 0:16:26.453 had four frozen Huggies nappies on me because they were 0:16:26.573 --> 0:16:28.693 just like you never see anything like it. And then 0:16:28.693 --> 0:16:30.213 I just had to because I was like, I just 0:16:30.213 --> 0:16:31.733 made the decision. I was like, you know what, it's 0:16:31.773 --> 0:16:33.413 not for me. I could I could start to feel 0:16:33.413 --> 0:16:36.453 that feeling and the PTSD of what I went through 0:16:37.053 --> 0:16:38.773 that I just had to shut it down, which meant 0:16:38.813 --> 0:16:42.093 two sports bras the ice and just no stimulation, like 0:16:42.173 --> 0:16:44.653 do not touch your boobs at all, and it worked. 0:16:44.693 --> 0:16:46.613 I did three days of doing that and it went away. 0:16:46.933 --> 0:16:49.613 But with the pre ACCLEMSA, I had to They eventually 0:16:49.613 --> 0:16:51.893 found the medication that suited me that it wasn't making 0:16:51.933 --> 0:16:53.373 it go away and then come back again to the 0:16:53.373 --> 0:16:56.013 same level. But yeah, that was a bit sad, like 0:16:56.093 --> 0:16:57.373 I was. I had a bit of a bit of 0:16:57.373 --> 0:16:59.453 a cry and a bit of a sob for myself. 0:16:59.453 --> 0:17:01.493 And the midwives were amazing, like they came and took 0:17:01.533 --> 0:17:03.853 him one night and just walked around the hallway and 0:17:03.853 --> 0:17:05.653 that just because I just needed to sleep and I'd 0:17:05.653 --> 0:17:09.332 got I just was so emotionally hormonally, and then that 0:17:09.493 --> 0:17:11.093 on top and I just was like, oh, this wasn't 0:17:11.133 --> 0:17:13.292 in the plan, you know, But that's what happens, isn't it. 0:17:13.332 --> 0:17:15.172 You never know what actually is going to happen when 0:17:15.213 --> 0:17:19.653 it comes to giving birth coming up. But the seriousness 0:17:19.733 --> 0:17:21.733 of it was if I didn't get it under control, 0:17:21.773 --> 0:17:24.013 like I could have had a stroke, so you know, 0:17:24.052 --> 0:17:26.292 which is just devastating to think, like, here you are 0:17:26.333 --> 0:17:28.973 with this beautiful thing that's just happened, and then there's 0:17:29.013 --> 0:17:29.813 this side effect. 0:17:35.893 --> 0:17:38.812 We'll hear more from doctor Golly soon, but Jules's condition 0:17:39.013 --> 0:17:42.053 is incredibly rare. But it's such a wild time when 0:17:42.053 --> 0:17:44.333 you get home with the baby and your body has 0:17:44.373 --> 0:17:48.293 been through well trauma. So I'm fascinated by what made 0:17:48.373 --> 0:17:52.853 Jewels go, Okay, this isn't just post birth pain, this 0:17:52.933 --> 0:17:53.733 is something more. 0:17:54.533 --> 0:17:57.133 When I had the headache for two days, I just thought, 0:17:57.293 --> 0:17:59.613 I'm just really tired. I'm just you know, I'm up 0:17:59.653 --> 0:18:01.773 every two hours. I just didn't really think of it. 0:18:02.493 --> 0:18:04.773 But when she was saying where and I was like, yeah, 0:18:04.773 --> 0:18:06.453 like right in the middle of my forehead, and then 0:18:06.493 --> 0:18:08.213 I've kind of got this feeling in my neck. 0:18:08.293 --> 0:18:08.453 You know. 0:18:08.493 --> 0:18:12.292 All the symptoms were very spot on to what happens 0:18:12.293 --> 0:18:14.693 when you get pretty cclemsia. So it just meant that 0:18:14.733 --> 0:18:17.653 I had to take medication every day and then go 0:18:17.693 --> 0:18:20.053 and get my blood pressure checked all the time, which 0:18:20.133 --> 0:18:22.292 was not to see the most annoying part like coming 0:18:22.293 --> 0:18:24.292 to go to the doctors of the pharmacy, like you know, 0:18:24.333 --> 0:18:27.132 every couple of days and I'm fine now, but it 0:18:27.213 --> 0:18:30.013 was a scary thought that this could be forever, this 0:18:30.093 --> 0:18:32.453 could be I'm taking blood pressure tablets. I'm like, I 0:18:32.453 --> 0:18:34.013 don't want to do that, Like I'm healthy, I've never 0:18:34.053 --> 0:18:36.133 had I've never had a blood pressure problem in my 0:18:36.173 --> 0:18:38.413 whole life. So no one knows why it happened. It's 0:18:38.493 --> 0:18:40.453 just something we had to find a solution there. And 0:18:40.493 --> 0:18:43.292 then I'm pretty impressed that Jewels was able to manage 0:18:43.293 --> 0:18:45.733 some self care and stay in tune with herself during 0:18:45.773 --> 0:18:50.053 this tricky time, which is really really hard but so crucial. 0:18:51.093 --> 0:18:54.093