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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Muma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. With just over three weeks until

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Speaker 2: the federal election, both leaders are laying it all on

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Speaker 2: the line to secure a victory, while it seems more

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Speaker 2: voters than ever are still making up their minds. Plus,

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Speaker 2: in an Australian first, a Victorian court has handed down

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Speaker 2: a sentence based on servitude in a domestic violence case.

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Speaker 2: Before we get there, here's Clare Murphy with the latest

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Speaker 2: from The Quickie newsroom for Wednesday, April nine.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor, Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi in opposition leader Peter

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Speaker 1: Dutton went head to head in a leader's debate in

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Speaker 1: Sydney overnight, with the audience handing Albernizi the win forty

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Speaker 1: four percent to thirty five. Despite the win, one in

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Speaker 1: five people remain undecided as we head into the final

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Speaker 1: three weeks of the election campaign. The debate was a

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Speaker 1: respectful discussion between the two, although both accused the other

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Speaker 1: saying that mister Alberanesi's claimed that the former coalition government

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Speaker 1: conceding though that the former government spending did not increase

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Speaker 1: during their time in office, but that funding never went backwards.

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Speaker 1: Mister Alberzi then accused mister Dutton of lying when he

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Speaker 1: claimed the current Labor government was the biggest spender in

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Speaker 1: forty years, reminding mister Dutton about the coalition spending during

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Speaker 1: the COVID years, there was a lot of debate around

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Speaker 1: visits to the GP and whether you could pay using

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Speaker 1: just your Medicare card, Dutton blaming Labour for patients having

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Speaker 1: to pay a gap. Mister Albanesi saying the former government

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Speaker 1: sought to introduce a Medicare co payment for a visit

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Speaker 1: they then froze the Medicare rebate for six years, something

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Speaker 1: his Labour government had to inherit. Cost of living and

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Speaker 1: power bills were also a focus, mister Albanesi, insisting that

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Speaker 1: the hardest years of rising inflation were now in the

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Speaker 1: rearview mirror. Mister Dutton explaining how much more expensive life

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Speaker 1: has become under Labour, and that they had failed to

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Speaker 1: deliver their promise to cut power bills. Mister Dutton also

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Speaker 1: referred to the Voice referendum, saying it was a distraction.

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Speaker 1: There were some concerns for mister Dutton before the debate

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Speaker 1: got underway last night, with news his seventy nine year

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Speaker 1: old father had been rushed to hospital. Many thought it

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Speaker 1: should have been called off. That mister Dutton Senior was

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Speaker 1: reportedly in a stable condition, his son deciding to go

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Speaker 1: its National Gas Plan. They're seeking to force Australian gas

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Speaker 1: companies to put more of the gas mind here into

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Speaker 1: the market instead of exporting it, promising to reduce the

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Speaker 1: cost of gas in households by seven percent with a

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Speaker 1: eight percent to electricity. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski claims Chinese

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Speaker 1: China is a close diplomatic ally to Russia, but they've

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Speaker 1: saying they have information there are many more Chinese citizens

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Speaker 1: holding talks with US President Donald Trump. Mister Zelenski's claims

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Speaker 1: appeared in court as he fights the decision to pull

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Speaker 1: Home Offers to make changes to his security detail after

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Speaker 1: stepping down from royal duties as unfair and unjustified. The

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Speaker 1: wouldn't get that protection under no circumstances. Rather, seeing as

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Speaker 1: on the same basis as before. Last year, the High

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Speaker 1: King Charles and Queen Camilla are currently in Italy ahead

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Speaker 1: of their twenty year wedding anniversary. The decades long feud

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Speaker 1: years later, Madonna posted to her social media that despite

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next the campaign ships that could decide this election.

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Speaker 2: As we head into the final weeks of the federal

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Speaker 2: election campaign, both Anthony Albanesi and Peter Dutton are making

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Speaker 2: significant policy announcements. The Coalition has reversed its position on

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Speaker 2: public service work from home arrangements, while Labor have just

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Speaker 2: announced a new one billion dollar investment into mental health,

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Speaker 2: including the creation of free mental health services, and both

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Speaker 2: leaders are now talking about buying back Darwin Port from

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Speaker 2: unprecedented number of voters who say they're still undecided seven

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Speaker 2: years Politics and National Security correspondent Tim Lester is still

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Speaker 2: on the campaign trail. Tim, Let's start with Peter Dutton.

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Speaker 2: At the weekend he announced a backflip on the coalition

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Speaker 2: Is this his attempt at retaining those one foot out

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Speaker 3: Yes? I think this has been a bruising last couple

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Speaker 3: There is a really strong impression now that somewhere in

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Speaker 3: Liberal Party, they have spotted a really marked move among

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Speaker 3: also the sacking of the public servants. And they've decided

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Speaker 3: that they had to backtrack on this and that's not

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Speaker 3: something that a leader would ordinarily do a campaign. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I can't remember a case of a more marked policy

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Speaker 2: Well, are people seeing this as a sign of weakness

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Speaker 2: and unorganized chaos or is this a good thing? Because

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Speaker 2: it feels like if he's canceling a policy that was

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Speaker 3: Well, quite right, and there is an element of credit

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Speaker 3: to Peter Dutton here. Unlike Angus Taylor, who I think,

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Speaker 3: we were wrong, and I think he may well win

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Speaker 3: credit for at least drawing a firm line and being

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Speaker 3: humble enough to admit that the Libs made of mistake

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Speaker 3: on this doesn't change the fact that it was a mistake, though,

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Speaker 3: and a mistake doesn't breed confidence in new capacity on

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Speaker 3: other decisions not to make mistakes right. So there will

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Speaker 3: be a dent from this, and there will also just

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Speaker 3: be that confusion because not all Australians follow all of

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Speaker 3: the policy machinations and changes in this, so some might

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Speaker 3: have lingering doubts about what Peter Dutton and the Liberals

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Speaker 3: before he got the chance to backtrack. He can't ever

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Speaker 3: rain in the whole mess. But I think you're right

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Speaker 3: once he decided he had to change, he probably approached

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Speaker 2: Both leaders are now also talking about buying back Darwin Port.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell us him just how significant of a shift.

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Speaker 3: Is that, well, it's a big shift on an important

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Speaker 3: parties have had amphlopportunity to change what had happened here

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Speaker 3: over the last ten years. That's how long it's been

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Speaker 3: a decade since the Country Liberal Party decided to lease

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Speaker 3: the only deep water port in Northern Australia that services

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Speaker 3: all branches of our military and the US military decided

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Speaker 3: to lease it for ninety nine years to a Chinese company,

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Speaker 3: and since, of course, academics have shown links between that

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Speaker 3: shocker as national security stories go, and it does beg

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Speaker 3: the question why has it taken ten years? It was

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Speaker 3: remarkable Peter Dutton made a decision to fly to Darwin

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Speaker 3: and as we were on the plane, Anthony Albanese in

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Speaker 3: a security blunder, although Albanesi has yet to give us

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Speaker 3: the specifics they will force the sale of this if.

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Speaker 2: Need bee force is the right word there, because it's

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Speaker 3: No, the land Bridge, the company that has Chinese ownership,

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Speaker 3: is saying, no, we don't want to sell. We don't

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Speaker 3: want to sell, Peter Dutton is saying, and rather briefly,

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Speaker 3: but Anthony Albanezi at least hinted that he too would say, well,

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Speaker 3: negotiate on this. In the Liberal case, you've got six months,

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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton says, We'll have six months in government to

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Speaker 3: negotiate it the yield or the government will, if need be,

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Speaker 3: introduce legislation to make the law such that they can

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Speaker 3: force the sale to an interest that fits with Australia's

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Speaker 3: security needs better than a company that appears to have

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Speaker 3: links to the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 2: In the last forty eight hours, team we've seen lots

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Speaker 2: of numbers and polling showing an unprecedented number of undecided voters.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty signific as we head to the polls in

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Speaker 2: just over three weeks. What's driving the uncertainty or is

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Speaker 2: this a good sign that we're seeing more people really

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Speaker 2: take considered approach to casting their vote.

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Speaker 3: Well, good point, Taylor. I think our electorate is changing, right,

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Speaker 3: and there is this underlying and profound change that sees

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Speaker 3: quite happy to vote for independence, Greens and minor parties.

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Speaker 3: The belief in the two party system simply isn't there anymore.

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Speaker 3: And as the old Australians that observe that two party

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Speaker 3: beliefs are dying off and a less in number in

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Speaker 3: the electorate, that is becoming more profound. But as well,

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Speaker 3: there's a mix of voters just non inspired by either candidate,

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Speaker 3: so perhaps remaining undecided. So yes, it's a volatile electorate. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it's electorate more given to move away, more happy to

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Speaker 3: move away from the major party. The other trend to

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Speaker 3: mix into all of these is it's not four weeks

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Speaker 3: that the two leaders have got to make an impression.

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Speaker 3: It really is two weeks from today, because early voting

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Speaker 3: begins in two weeks and we know another habit of

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Speaker 3: the growing electorate is to vote early. So at the

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Speaker 3: every day quite markedly, and by the end of the campaign,

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Speaker 2: It looks like we're going to be staring down the

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Speaker 3: It's difficult to know. It's difficult to see yet which

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Speaker 3: You get a sense of why the debates begin to

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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton needs that pretty badly.

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Speaker 2: Now before I let you go to him, just a

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Speaker 2: How are both leaders performing on the campaign trail at

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Speaker 3: I think the scenes on the Dutton camp, I think

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Speaker 3: they're feeling pretty bruised. They've just been through this policy

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Speaker 3: fuel excise. Now that's a good policy pitch devoters to

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Speaker 2: A man has been sentenced in the Victorian Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: The charge causing a person to enter into or remain

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Speaker 2: He'd beat her with poles, belts and chords, something he

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Speaker 2: called giving her consequences. During the trial, over one hundred

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Speaker 2: graphic to show the public. He's been sentenced to up

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Speaker 2: experts and onlookers say it highlights the urgent need for

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Speaker 2: stronger legal responses to coercive control. New South Wales became

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Speaker 2: the first Australian jurisdiction to criminalize coercive control last July,

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Speaker 2: with Queensland set to follow next month. While the names

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Speaker 2: in this case cannot be published for legal reasons, the

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Speaker 2: predicted last year alone, nearly seventy women are allegedly killed

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Speaker 2: of those women killed by intimate partners, coercive control and

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Speaker 2: to their debts. The case comes with a landmark sentencing,

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Speaker 2: a step to acknowledge, understand and build upon how our

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Speaker 2: system deals with domestic violence in Australia. Thanks for taking

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Speaker 2: some time to feed your mind with us today. If

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Speaker 2: you or someone you know needs to speak with an expert,

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Speaker 2: please contact one eight hundred RESPECT. That's the National Sexual Assault,

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Speaker 2: Domestic and Family Violence Counseling Service. You can reach them

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Speaker 2: on one eight hundred seven three seven seven three to two. Also,

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia is a charity partner of Rise Up Australia.

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Speaker 2: They're a Queensland based organization helping women and families move

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Speaker 2: on after cases of domestic violence. If you'd like to

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Speaker 2: support their mission, there'll be a linked to their website

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Speaker 2: in the show notes. The Quiki is produced by me

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