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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia

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Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this

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Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on. From Mamma Mia. Welcome to this

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Speaker 1: spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick.

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Speaker 2: Can I yay Emily?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's already insulted me twice and we've only

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Speaker 1: been sitting together for five minutes. But that's okay.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot to say.

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Speaker 1: Everything's as it should be coming up on the show today.

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Speaker 1: So many juicy feuds that we have to talk through episodes.

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Speaker 1: It's a feud episode, so one that we're going to

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Speaker 1: touch in just a moment. But then we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into a bit of a tell all book that

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Speaker 1: has been published about one of Hollywood's most famous and

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Speaker 1: beloved families. But don't believe the headlines because the story

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes is quite different. And then two of

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Speaker 1: the biggest names in entertainment history, in music history are

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Speaker 1: having a feud and that's not the story, because Emily

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Speaker 1: has some notes for how the few has unfolded in

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Speaker 1: the public.

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Speaker 3: But first, but first, we've covered the White Loaders quite

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Speaker 3: a bit on this podcast. All seasons, and stay tuned

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Speaker 3: because we do have a broodly honest review of this

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Speaker 3: last season coming up tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to dedicate a little bit.

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Speaker 3: To a certain person on this season, and I'm talking

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Speaker 3: about the new it girl. It's like my new boyfriend.

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Speaker 3: I have a new boyfriend. And it's not one of

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Speaker 3: the Beatles. It's not one of the men playing the Beatles.

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Speaker 3: It is fifty three year old receiving hairline Walton Goggins.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so here's my question about this. Did you start

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Speaker 1: developing this intense feeling, in this intense crush as you're

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Speaker 1: watching him on the White LOADUS or did it happen

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Speaker 1: when you saw all the fan edits and all the

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Speaker 1: thirsty photos and how the girls on the internet made

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Speaker 2: It actually started a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Oh, she's not like.

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Speaker 3: The idea og walgs. It started when I saw him

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Speaker 1: Well what do you just have knows when he's like

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Speaker 1: a pretty much as zombie. He's great in that though.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like the roles he plays.

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Speaker 1: He's just got like so intense.

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Speaker 2: Intense angry.

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Speaker 3: And it kind of comes across in his interviews as well,

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Speaker 3: he did after Fallout, but more specifically, he's talked a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So you think they're feuding behind the scenes, I.

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Speaker 2: Think it's something worse than feuding.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you want me to take you through white

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Speaker 2: Can we not say the word feuding? Can we say scandal?

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Speaker 1: And so they did follow each other when they started filming,

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Speaker 1: because you could just mute someone if you didn't want

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Speaker 1: Which is what happens when you block them.

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Speaker 3: His comments on her posts are still there. And Okay,

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Also, so they had this big finale watching party.

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Speaker 1: It was such a trying I'm like, sir, you didn't

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Speaker 2: You're just talking to a report on away car based.

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Speaker 1: For two seconds. You could have just said we had

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that reporters had their career.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. He just living for the drama.

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Speaker 3: And I finally escaped the Harry Potter escafe.

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Speaker 1: He's like, literally asked me anything and I'll tell you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I still don't think it's a feud. I think

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Speaker 3: something happened and he's trying to make a man.

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Speaker 1: Just whisper and tell me what you think happened. I

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Speaker 3: But now I think, like now he's over compensating because

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Speaker 1: And do you think he blocked her because he breaked out.

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Speaker 1: He didn't want to say anything.

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Speaker 2: And she's like young and single, so it's like she's

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Speaker 2: If it did, he didn't hear from me.

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Speaker 1: She didn't hear it here. You know what always prevents

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Speaker 1: things from escalating is just whispering never gets shit. So

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Speaker 1: a new book is being released in the next week

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Speaker 1: and if you heard the title, which is lovely, it's

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Speaker 1: called The Ten a Memoir of family and the open Road.

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Speaker 1: And it's about a daughter who goes on this six

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Speaker 1: which is why the book's called that, from Ela to Florida,

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Speaker 1: where her mum's family has once lived, and her mum

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Speaker 1: through her diaries and she's trying to piece together who

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Speaker 1: she had. And the writer has worked for Vanity Fair

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Speaker 3: Firstly, it's only Elton John, So it was just Elton

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Speaker 1: That's because Madonna's had too many other feuds she's had

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Speaker 3: Just that's just a very shoulder Just Lady Gaga comes

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Speaker 2: what happened. And it started.

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Speaker 3: In the early two thousand, Madonna released a song for

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Speaker 3: the James Bond film Diana other Day, famous famous song,

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Speaker 3: and he said it was the worst bon tune ever. Then,

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and four, at the Qure Awards, which

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Speaker 3: was a British music awards that aren't operating anymore, he

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Speaker 3: questioned Madonna's nomination for Best Live Act and he said,

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Speaker 3: since when has lip syncing been live?

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Speaker 2: And this was like while he was accepting his award.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really the biggest burn you can make against

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Speaker 1: another artist.

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Speaker 3: And then Australia gets brought into it. So in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 3: he did an interview with famous Australian reporter and close

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Speaker 3: friend of his, Molly Meldrim, and he was talking about Madonna,

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Speaker 3: and he said she's such a nightmare. Her career is

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Speaker 3: over and she looks like a fucking fairground stripper. She's

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Speaker 3: been she's been horrible to Gaga.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not well. He and Lady Gaga are very close.

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Speaker 1: Isn't she like one of the godmother of his children

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Speaker 1: and something like that? So I think it's more of

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Speaker 1: a personal few than a professional few.

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Speaker 2: It's right.

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Speaker 3: And then that's I feel like everything that's out there

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Speaker 3: and these are all allegedly except that they're in writing,

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Speaker 3: so not really allegedly.

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Speaker 1: That's all allegedly at all. That's on the record.

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Speaker 3: The funny thing to me is that Madonna, Nils and

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Speaker 3: John have been around for a really really long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is not how you feud as a celebrity an okay,

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Speaker 3: And what saddens me about this whole situation it's not

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Speaker 3: that they ever did feud. I enjoy the feud, but

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Speaker 3: was that right now? When celebrities feud, it's more like

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Speaker 3: kind of in the shadows, like behind the scenes, and

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Speaker 3: they leave it up to us to kind of guess

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Speaker 3: and put the pizzas together, like Walton Goggins and Amy

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Speaker 3: who would yes.

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Speaker 1: And with them.

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Speaker 3: They just told us like, that's too much information. I

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Speaker 3: don't need to know that much about your life.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry. This is so much better. This is

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Speaker 1: a classic old school old Hollywood feud where you fight

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Speaker 1: through the press and you say iconic lines and then

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Speaker 1: you bring it to award shows and you bring it

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Speaker 1: to interviews and you make it part of like the culture.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, all of this in the

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Speaker 1: background sending little tips to do moir and stuff. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not true like icon behavior.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you what I think they should have done?

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you have notes for them?

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Speaker 3: I have like a full like criteria of how to

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Speaker 3: step by step on what they should have done. So

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Speaker 3: I think it's fine for Elton John to not like Madonna.

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Speaker 3: I think it gives us something to talk about. But

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Speaker 3: I think we should have been the ones to kind

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Speaker 3: of guess what happened. So I think Elton John should

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Speaker 3: have gone on Graham Norton because you know, on Graham

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Speaker 3: Norton there's like a couch of celebrities, like a drinking

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Speaker 3: They get a bit lose on the couch is also

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Speaker 3: Kevin Hart. Okay, so Ian McKellen and Olivia Coleman.

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Speaker 1: Is this just because they're a fun time or they

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Speaker 1: integral to the story.

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Speaker 3: I think the combination of the three plus Graham Norton

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Speaker 3: could have gotten it out of Elton John Okay, Like

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Speaker 3: Kevin I would be like, come on, man, tell us

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Speaker 3: hues that never really escalate, but people think that they try.

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Speaker 2: To make it fun.

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Speaker 3: And Ian McKellen, because he's so old, he's like, just

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Speaker 3: tell me, don't tell me right now, I don't care.

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Speaker 3: And Olivia Coleman will be like, I don't know who

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Speaker 3: these people are, but I'm here for.

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Speaker 2: A good time.

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Speaker 3: Exactly doesn't know anyone anyone, So I think they would

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Speaker 3: have gotten out that, Like Elton John would have admitted

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Speaker 3: that there is a famous pop star in the eighties

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Speaker 3: that he doesn't like, and everyone's gonna be like ooh,

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Speaker 3: And that's when everyone on Reddit will be like, I

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Speaker 3: think he's talking about Madonna. And then Madonna goes on

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Speaker 3: call her daddy okay, and she's like, there's this man

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Speaker 3: who's like so so famous, she just absolutely hates me.

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Speaker 3: And I can't say who it is because he's so

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Speaker 3: famous and so powerful, but.

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Speaker 2: It's just really rude.

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Speaker 3: And we share like the same fans we like come

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Speaker 3: from like similar communities, and it's just I hate him

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Speaker 3: and it's going really really badly, and everyone's like, ah,

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Speaker 3: it's response to the Elton John thing. And then Madonna

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Speaker 3: releases a song called rocket Girl, and then Elton John

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Speaker 3: releases a song called material Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm really intense fan fiction land.

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Speaker 3: Bow, and then I sold this part from Taylor Swift

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Speaker 3: Kay Perry. And then Madonna posts on her Snapchat she's

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Speaker 3: like in dance rehearsals for her upcoming concert and she posts, look.

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Speaker 2: At this beautiful gift.

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Speaker 3: I got from Elton John, and it's this massive fuck

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Speaker 3: off Olive branch. And then they can still post the

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Speaker 3: photo on Instagram. They still post that same photo, but

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Speaker 3: instead of your like five page caption, it's just one

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Speaker 3: little white heart.

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Speaker 2: And then everyone's like oh.

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Speaker 3: And then we all just like put all the pieces

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Speaker 3: together because that's our job, not their job to tell us.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're here for.

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Speaker 1: As much as I enjoy that roll out and I

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Speaker 1: enjoy that fan fiction, and well, we think, as you're

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Speaker 1: right about it, yeah, please do, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean your head of entertainment, so you give me that.

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Speaker 1: I can definitely agree. Read that me going to the

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Speaker 1: content meeting, being like, so Emily's writing a fictionalized version

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Speaker 1: of this celebrity feud, even though there's a real feud

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Speaker 1: out there, but her version is better, much better, we

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Speaker 1: can call if you want to keep going to Tailor's

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Speaker 1: s liifting like mcdonnan and Elton's feud Emily's version, which

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Speaker 1: she's completely different to that. Look, I'm not against your

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Speaker 1: role out plan, but I just think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of new waves of celebrities that do it like that.

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Speaker 1: And the point of like these really old school celebrities

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Speaker 1: like you have, people said, we don't really have celebrities anymore.

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Speaker 1: You don't have like celebrities who are just a celebrity

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Speaker 1: because of their name. You have like people who come

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Speaker 1: come in and out of fame, but they're not like

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Speaker 1: their name doesn't like open a movie, or their their

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00:24:08,664 --> 00:24:11,064
Speaker 1: name isn't like a business. That's because they don't feud

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Speaker 1: like the old school celebrities like Elton and Madonna.

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Speaker 2: When I woke up this morning, we bury the hatchet.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think maybe because people had lost interest in

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Speaker 1: the feud. Also, she's like trying to bring it back,

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Speaker 1: she remember me, remember this. I don't know, like Gaga

563
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Speaker 1: was about to tour again, she might say something shady

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Speaker 1: about Madonna. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't put that in my story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'll put a little later. I could be

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Speaker 1: like the sequel. But it's like the lady guy what

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00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:41,064
Speaker 1: she's saying, because she's super close to Elton John and

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Speaker 1: then Madonna has been just rubbishing her her whole career,

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Speaker 1: So I wonder what she thought looking at that. You know,

571
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Speaker 1: like your one of your friends is nice to someone

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Speaker 1: who's been mean to you, and they're like, oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: just trying to like, you know, southe it over and

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00:24:51,664 --> 00:24:52,664
Speaker 1: you're like, can you just have my bath?

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Speaker 2: I was Lady Gaga, I'd be texting Elton going what

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Speaker 2: was that about?

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Speaker 1: I bet she did.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I love how this whole episode of US just like

580
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Speaker 3: rewriting feuds.

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Speaker 1: Very little fine time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to this bill today.

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Speaker 3: Make sure you tune in tomorrow for our brutally honest

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Speaker 3: review of The Why LOADUS Season three, We unpacking all

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Speaker 3: the drama plus the biggest moments in the whole season.

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Speaker 3: The bill is produced by Ned Green with sound production

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Speaker 3: by Scott Stronik, And we'll be back here in your

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Speaker 3: podcast feed tomorrow morning for a weekend watch.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye,