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Speaker 1: So much you're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 4: My name is Laura Brodnick, and I'm the host of

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Speaker 4: Mamma MIA's daily entertainment podcast, The Spill, dropping into the

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Speaker 4: Nothing to Wear Feed because today is a very special

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Speaker 4: event where the world's of fashion and celebrity come together.

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Speaker 4: It is the twenty twenty five met Gala. So in

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Speaker 4: celebration of this, we are dropping this episode into your

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Speaker 4: feed where I am joined by Mamma Mia podcast host

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Speaker 4: Emily Vernon and fashion writer, commentator and consultant Glynnis Trail

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Speaker 4: Nash to talk about the most memorable exciting looks from

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Speaker 4: this year's Met Gala red carpet, along with secret meanings

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Speaker 4: behind some of the looks, the designers who were used,

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Speaker 4: the significance of this year's theme, and a few celebrities

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Speaker 4: who might have missed the mark. So please enjoy this

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Speaker 4: very special episode.

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Speaker 2: So today, it's very very exciting because we always hop

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Speaker 2: on how we're not a fashion podcast.

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Speaker 1: Except today, speak for yourself.

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Speaker 2: We are a fashion podcast because we are joined by

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Speaker 2: fashion writer, commentator and consultant Glennis trail Nash. Glennis was

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Speaker 2: a fashion editor at The Australian for nine years and

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Speaker 2: Harper's Bizarre in Style and many many more. So we

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Speaker 4: along as we chat. Well, thank you so much for

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Speaker 4: joining us today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. It's always nice to visit.

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Speaker 4: So first off, i'd love you to explain the theme

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Speaker 4: that's such a huge part of the Met Gala. In

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Speaker 4: this year's theme I think was particularlyant to a lot

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it's also worth noting that this is the

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Speaker 3: first men's war exhibitions and theme that we've had since

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Speaker 3: two thousand and three. I think and of course this

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Speaker 3: is a celebration of black men's style and dandyism. So

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Speaker 3: the actual theme is, well, the exhibition is super fine

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Speaker 3: then to I guess especially women, you know, to kind

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Speaker 3: But obviously this idea of black dandyism is really interesting culturally,

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Speaker 3: idea of the dandy though, so you know, the beau Brummel,

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Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely legitimate. And I also think it's

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Speaker 2: What I really liked about this year's theme, the whole

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Speaker 3: And I love there a like actually, I loved Walter

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you're just doing all bridal looks in

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was just and it was one

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So who are your other favorite looks? Is

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Speaker 3: I just think she's extraordinary. I really do her her

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Speaker 2: Was there anyone that like completely surprised you with what they.

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Speaker 3: Brought in a good way or a bad actually you

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Speaker 3: that was just like, It's a really relaxed looking kind

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Speaker 3: I just thought, Yeah, cool, hot priests too, doesn't yeh oh?

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Speaker 3: Lana del Rey.

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Speaker 4: I just thought was oh interesting, because I've seen a

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Speaker 4: lot of people say that she's among their best dress.

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Speaker 1: Well, actually think it's more just a vibe of her.

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Speaker 4: I think we just love her a moment and like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I said another one of the suiting looks,

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Speaker 3: Looks like a jumpsuit suit and it's got such a

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Speaker 3: She's an icon, but that wasn't my favorite look. I mean, look,

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Speaker 4: But a lot of slibs doing their own photo shoots

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Speaker 3: Fashions Night of Night. But the Tom Brown effect was

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Speaker 3: I mean, the suit it almost looks like it's not

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Speaker 3: so it's a red suit, and then he's got this

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Speaker 3: kind of let's hope it's a faux fur kind of

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Speaker 3: I think for interest factor, quite high, Yes, quite high

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Speaker 3: I found really interesting. I have enjoyed this one same.

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Speaker 4: been so incredible. Well, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 4: us today and for giving us all that insights so good.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me