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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that

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Speaker 1: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lee Campbell and I'm listening to Pigot. Each week

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Speaker 2: we talk all things fashion, helping you get the most

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Speaker 1: You help me decide too much. My bank doesn't like you.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be back with you. I know.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad to be that with you.

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Speaker 1: You. I know now big topic today, micro trends are

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Speaker 1: on the way out. I can't wait to get your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: But first, you are a girl in the know. What

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Speaker 2: So welcome to my algorithm. I've got three things to

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Speaker 1: Sure if you're a cross, Lee, but I'm across nothing.

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Speaker 1: I'm fresh back and honestly, I've just seen like targets

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Speaker 1: new collections, so yeah, tell me everything.

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Speaker 2: Well, the first one is hot off the press, and

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Speaker 2: that is John Galliano will be designing for Zara, so

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Speaker 2: he'll be the creative director. It's been inked for two years.

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Speaker 2: He'll be the creative director doing his own collaboration with

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh my gosh, I love those. But they're obviously,

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Speaker 2: of Christian Dure for fifteen years. He was the creator

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Speaker 2: of the saddle bag, the Dial saddlebag, also that newspaper

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Speaker 2: And he was the one. He didn't create the tabo too.

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Speaker 1: It's all over Etsy. If ever I go onto, it'sy

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Speaker 2: So she's a vintage fashion writer, podcaster and educator I

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Speaker 2: know how a lot of like Athleisia brands are coming

427
00:19:58,274 --> 00:20:00,834
Speaker 2: out with their own tennis club. It's all when.

428
00:20:00,674 --> 00:20:03,154
Speaker 1: They've never held a rap it correct. As you know,

429
00:20:03,154 --> 00:20:05,154
Speaker 1: I'm not really one for kind of that sport aesthetics.

430
00:20:05,234 --> 00:20:07,714
Speaker 1: So for me, I think, whoa, Okay, I could do

431
00:20:07,794 --> 00:20:10,033
Speaker 1: like the stripe hee Traxi pants. But now that the

432
00:20:10,154 --> 00:20:12,474
Speaker 1: sport aesthetic is getting so niche into different sort of

433
00:20:12,594 --> 00:20:15,513
Speaker 1: rugby and then tennis and then polo, and I'm like, guys,

434
00:20:15,514 --> 00:20:16,513
Speaker 1: it's all just sport to me.

435
00:20:16,714 --> 00:20:19,314
Speaker 2: Polo when you've never ridden a horse. No, So it's

436
00:20:19,354 --> 00:20:21,314
Speaker 2: this whole lifestyle cosplay.

437
00:20:21,474 --> 00:20:24,594
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. So for me, quite luxury again, taking

438
00:20:24,634 --> 00:20:26,513
Speaker 1: away the micro trend of it. I just think it's

439
00:20:26,674 --> 00:20:30,394
Speaker 1: a nice way to look quite polished without having to

440
00:20:30,594 --> 00:20:32,754
Speaker 1: The quiet part for me is the it doesn't need

441
00:20:32,794 --> 00:20:35,114
Speaker 1: to be designer. I think, you know, a beautiful Uniclo

442
00:20:35,194 --> 00:20:37,834
Speaker 1: Cashmi nitch that can be quite luxury, because the quiet

443
00:20:37,834 --> 00:20:39,874
Speaker 1: party is I'm just Uniglo. But it's that kind of

444
00:20:39,954 --> 00:20:43,154
Speaker 1: luxury that there is now affordability within Cashmi, whereas you know,

445
00:20:43,194 --> 00:20:45,354
Speaker 1: five years ago you'd have to spend hundreds of dollars

446
00:20:45,394 --> 00:20:47,394
Speaker 1: and now you can spend eighty nine ninety five. Yeah,

447
00:20:47,434 --> 00:20:49,273
Speaker 1: so that's the upside of some of these trends. It's like,

448
00:20:49,354 --> 00:20:52,074
Speaker 1: forget the silly name and just you know now that

449
00:20:52,474 --> 00:20:55,354
Speaker 1: particular fabrics or cuts are more accessible to everyone. I

450
00:20:55,354 --> 00:20:57,234
Speaker 1: think that's the upside. That's so true.

451
00:20:57,474 --> 00:21:00,114
Speaker 2: Also the economic status at the minute and we always

452
00:21:00,114 --> 00:21:02,154
Speaker 2: say that, but like in Australia at the moment it's

453
00:21:02,194 --> 00:21:04,794
Speaker 2: the highest rate of max credit cards. It's actually a

454
00:21:04,834 --> 00:21:06,914
Speaker 2: little bit scary. So it's almost maybe a relief for

455
00:21:07,114 --> 00:21:10,594
Speaker 2: consumers to go it's just easy to wear a consistent

456
00:21:10,874 --> 00:21:14,554
Speaker 2: mutual wardrobe, sigh of relief rather than buying into these

457
00:21:14,634 --> 00:21:17,714
Speaker 2: hectic micro trends. So maybe that's why it's one of

458
00:21:17,714 --> 00:21:20,874
Speaker 2: the biggest as well, because it's just the easiest for everyone.

459
00:21:20,594 --> 00:21:22,474
Speaker 1: At the mouth and it's not so prescriptive.

460
00:21:22,674 --> 00:21:24,874
Speaker 2: Yes, So if that's one of the reasons for the

461
00:21:25,634 --> 00:21:29,474
Speaker 2: decelerational decline in micro trends, it sort of links to

462
00:21:29,514 --> 00:21:33,234
Speaker 2: this whole idea as well, leae around this purpose driven trends.

463
00:21:33,874 --> 00:21:37,234
Speaker 2: So buying for purpose is what I'm really liking in

464
00:21:37,274 --> 00:21:40,514
Speaker 2: trend forecasting, where it's sort of coined this term of

465
00:21:40,794 --> 00:21:42,954
Speaker 2: buying for purpose. So for example, if you go to

466
00:21:42,954 --> 00:21:46,074
Speaker 2: the Australian Open or a concert or a movie, so

467
00:21:46,114 --> 00:21:48,553
Speaker 2: you dress for Wuthering Hearts, you're buying even though this

468
00:21:48,594 --> 00:21:51,273
Speaker 2: is slightly playing into cosplay, but you're buying for a

469
00:21:51,314 --> 00:21:53,954
Speaker 2: purpose or what you're doing with your life. And this

470
00:21:53,994 --> 00:21:56,474
Speaker 2: also kind of comes into that utility play. You have

471
00:21:56,594 --> 00:21:59,594
Speaker 2: function with what you're buying. So if it's the pockets

472
00:21:59,634 --> 00:22:02,874
Speaker 2: or if it's like you want some quality and function

473
00:22:02,994 --> 00:22:04,194
Speaker 2: out of what you're buying.

474
00:22:03,954 --> 00:22:06,834
Speaker 1: My pockets is where I'm at because I think, again,

475
00:22:07,714 --> 00:22:09,834
Speaker 1: in a moment, we'll get into the sustainability factor. But

476
00:22:09,874 --> 00:22:12,074
Speaker 1: I'm huge on deepop at the moment. But I swear

477
00:22:12,154 --> 00:22:13,674
Speaker 1: when I look at my inbox, all I've got is

478
00:22:13,754 --> 00:22:14,194
Speaker 1: high lovely.

479
00:22:14,234 --> 00:22:15,434
Speaker 2: Does this good have pockets?

480
00:22:15,434 --> 00:22:18,714
Speaker 1: Because I'm all about functionality because beautiful pieces in my wardrobe.

481
00:22:18,794 --> 00:22:20,674
Speaker 1: If they don't have pockets or the kind of waste

482
00:22:20,754 --> 00:22:23,514
Speaker 1: or they're too hard to do up or down, I'm

483
00:22:23,554 --> 00:22:25,634
Speaker 1: just not reaching for those items. And it's a part

484
00:22:25,634 --> 00:22:28,114
Speaker 1: of fashion that I've never really explored before. It's an

485
00:22:28,154 --> 00:22:31,154
Speaker 1: interesting thing to observe myself because it's the first time

486
00:22:31,194 --> 00:22:36,274
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to marry functionality and sustainability, and then

487
00:22:36,314 --> 00:22:38,754
Speaker 1: that's becoming my personal style. Where it was very easy

488
00:22:38,754 --> 00:22:39,994
Speaker 1: for me to pop up to the shops and get

489
00:22:39,994 --> 00:22:42,194
Speaker 1: something from wit Trey or cotton On, but now I'm

490
00:22:42,234 --> 00:22:45,273
Speaker 1: really leaning into the sustainability part of what's next and

491
00:22:45,314 --> 00:22:48,114
Speaker 1: the functionality part what's next, And that has slowed down

492
00:22:48,194 --> 00:22:50,793
Speaker 1: my shopping because you know, I'm trying well, I just

493
00:22:50,874 --> 00:22:54,114
Speaker 1: love thrifting. Everyone knows that I either in real life.

494
00:22:54,114 --> 00:22:55,474
Speaker 1: But I think you know, if you look at the

495
00:22:55,474 --> 00:22:57,273
Speaker 1: stats of the second hand economy and how that is

496
00:22:57,314 --> 00:23:00,154
Speaker 1: skyrocketed in the last three years, that in itself is

497
00:23:00,154 --> 00:23:04,154
Speaker 1: a rebellion to the micro trends because everyone looks exactly

498
00:23:04,194 --> 00:23:05,874
Speaker 1: the same. I mean, they might be buying into different

499
00:23:06,034 --> 00:23:09,474
Speaker 1: micro trends, but if you go to a shopping center,

500
00:23:09,554 --> 00:23:11,434
Speaker 1: particularly at the moment I think it's hard when it's

501
00:23:11,434 --> 00:23:14,594
Speaker 1: transseasonal in Australia, but every store looks almost the same.

502
00:23:15,354 --> 00:23:17,634
Speaker 1: And back to where we're at with the current climate,

503
00:23:17,714 --> 00:23:20,474
Speaker 1: it's really hard and scary for retailers to be risky

504
00:23:20,554 --> 00:23:22,714
Speaker 1: with trends. So you will go in and see a

505
00:23:22,754 --> 00:23:25,314
Speaker 1: sea of beige and brown and you know, we've just

506
00:23:25,314 --> 00:23:27,074
Speaker 1: say goodbye to Linen, but you know, back into the

507
00:23:27,074 --> 00:23:29,513
Speaker 1: burgundy and the nits, which I love all of that,

508
00:23:29,714 --> 00:23:32,594
Speaker 1: but if you want individual style, it's really hard to

509
00:23:32,674 --> 00:23:36,513
Speaker 1: get retail at the moment. Yeah, so people are thinking okay, no,

510
00:23:37,234 --> 00:23:39,834
Speaker 1: So people are not wanting to look like everybody else,

511
00:23:40,114 --> 00:23:42,314
Speaker 1: but they're also not wanting to, you know, churn out

512
00:23:42,314 --> 00:23:44,513
Speaker 1: all their disposable income on fashion. So that's where the

513
00:23:44,554 --> 00:23:46,794
Speaker 1: sustainability is coming in, as well as what's happening with

514
00:23:46,834 --> 00:23:51,234
Speaker 1: the environment. So thrifting secondhand pre Love Designer is just

515
00:23:51,354 --> 00:23:54,834
Speaker 1: absolutely going nuts. You know, Vinnie's launched their online store.

516
00:23:54,834 --> 00:23:57,033
Speaker 1: I think this time last year Vinne's Fines that is

517
00:23:57,074 --> 00:23:57,514
Speaker 1: going out.

518
00:23:57,674 --> 00:23:58,394
Speaker 2: I had no idea.

519
00:23:58,674 --> 00:24:00,434
Speaker 1: Oh cool, I shouldn't have told you.

520
00:24:00,474 --> 00:24:00,914
Speaker 2: It's okay.

521
00:24:00,954 --> 00:24:04,273
Speaker 1: I've got an alert when they upload anything, and you know,

522
00:24:04,354 --> 00:24:07,194
Speaker 1: deep hop it. There's so many amazing Australian online and

523
00:24:07,274 --> 00:24:10,754
Speaker 1: secondhand stores, both kind of obviously more high end, but

524
00:24:10,794 --> 00:24:12,834
Speaker 1: there's also some really great ones that sell sort of

525
00:24:12,874 --> 00:24:15,514
Speaker 1: mass brands, so you just have to dig for them.

526
00:24:15,554 --> 00:24:17,434
Speaker 1: And there's a bit of a flex in that, isn't

527
00:24:17,434 --> 00:24:20,514
Speaker 1: it so what you're wearing that's been thrifted, but also

528
00:24:20,674 --> 00:24:24,354
Speaker 1: finding and displaying your personal style. So that's that style

529
00:24:24,434 --> 00:24:27,033
Speaker 1: of content, Yes, is what that pushback now with the

530
00:24:27,074 --> 00:24:29,394
Speaker 1: micro track, Yeah, that's it. Particularly even people that I

531
00:24:29,514 --> 00:24:31,594
Speaker 1: never would have thought would have thrifted or haven't done

532
00:24:31,714 --> 00:24:35,914
Speaker 1: so in their past. The accessibility of places like Vesta

533
00:24:35,994 --> 00:24:38,674
Speaker 1: Collective and Deepop. I'm finding so many more people that

534
00:24:38,714 --> 00:24:40,514
Speaker 1: aren't in the industry that are just my regular friends

535
00:24:40,554 --> 00:24:42,273
Speaker 1: and saying, oh, yeah, I got it on Deepop, or

536
00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:44,954
Speaker 1: I saw it on social media it was relatively current,

537
00:24:45,034 --> 00:24:46,874
Speaker 1: or it was only last season. I really wanted it,

538
00:24:47,034 --> 00:24:49,194
Speaker 1: but I wasn't going to pay this price, so I

539
00:24:49,234 --> 00:24:52,313
Speaker 1: went on too Deepop. I found it, I negotiated, and

540
00:24:52,314 --> 00:24:53,954
Speaker 1: then they've got the item that they've always wanted. It's

541
00:24:53,994 --> 00:24:56,513
Speaker 1: better for the environment, it's having its second life. I

542
00:24:56,554 --> 00:24:59,914
Speaker 1: mean not to say we don't all still love shopping everywhere,

543
00:24:59,914 --> 00:25:02,554
Speaker 1: but I think it's a really exciting time to find

544
00:25:02,554 --> 00:25:05,314
Speaker 1: your personal style, and for me, it has slowed down

545
00:25:05,354 --> 00:25:07,914
Speaker 1: the process at which I want things, because I'll be like, right,

546
00:25:08,274 --> 00:25:10,874
Speaker 1: I really love that Camilla Mike Blazer didn't see it

547
00:25:10,874 --> 00:25:12,314
Speaker 1: a few seasons ago. I wasn't going to spend that

548
00:25:12,394 --> 00:25:15,394
Speaker 1: much money. I will spend my time on these websites

549
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:17,513
Speaker 1: setting up alerts, waiting to see if someone's going to

550
00:25:17,554 --> 00:25:19,034
Speaker 1: sell it, waiting for it to be the right size

551
00:25:19,034 --> 00:25:21,874
Speaker 1: and the right price. And so therefore I'm you know,

552
00:25:22,034 --> 00:25:25,114
Speaker 1: spending a month to procure this jacket, whereas before I

553
00:25:25,194 --> 00:25:26,994
Speaker 1: might have gone, okay, well I can't thought that one.

554
00:25:27,034 --> 00:25:28,834
Speaker 1: I'll just buy this cheap one and it sits in

555
00:25:28,874 --> 00:25:31,154
Speaker 1: my wardrobe and you're probably getting a better or higher

556
00:25:31,234 --> 00:25:32,234
Speaker 1: dope meine hit from that.

557
00:25:32,394 --> 00:25:33,954
Speaker 2: Yes, they're just pressing by now right.

558
00:25:33,994 --> 00:25:35,754
Speaker 1: It's like when you're dating someone then they're just immediately

559
00:25:35,794 --> 00:25:38,874
Speaker 1: in love with you, like boring. But when there's a

560
00:25:38,914 --> 00:25:40,994
Speaker 1: thrill of the chase and just finding it. I think

561
00:25:41,074 --> 00:25:44,034
Speaker 1: that's why I've always loved shifting, particularly you know, when

562
00:25:44,074 --> 00:25:46,594
Speaker 1: I have the time to go in person, but a

563
00:25:46,594 --> 00:25:48,874
Speaker 1: lot of people don't have access to you know, many

564
00:25:48,914 --> 00:25:51,954
Speaker 1: thrift stores or charity stores, and now that the online

565
00:25:51,994 --> 00:25:55,114
Speaker 1: world is finally you know, it's not just some random, old,

566
00:25:55,154 --> 00:25:58,234
Speaker 1: weird website that you're like, you know, that's so true. Yeah,

567
00:25:58,274 --> 00:25:59,794
Speaker 1: so I think that. I mean, I spend more time

568
00:25:59,794 --> 00:26:02,194
Speaker 1: on deepop now than I do on Instagram.

569
00:26:01,554 --> 00:26:04,434
Speaker 2: And yeah, Ryan, that's really interesting exciting. Have you heard

570
00:26:04,474 --> 00:26:07,554
Speaker 2: of the seventy five hard challenge with fashion, But.

571
00:26:07,514 --> 00:26:10,474
Speaker 1: I've heard about it of fitness, and that's why I'm like, no,

572
00:26:10,714 --> 00:26:12,594
Speaker 1: go away from one more exciting.

573
00:26:12,834 --> 00:26:16,594
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you'd think, you definitely think. So it's around

574
00:26:16,874 --> 00:26:19,474
Speaker 2: it's seventy five days of not buying anything and then

575
00:26:19,594 --> 00:26:22,553
Speaker 2: using your clothes. So this whole like another we've had

576
00:26:22,594 --> 00:26:26,194
Speaker 2: the micro trends with this new trend of de influencing, which.

577
00:26:26,474 --> 00:26:28,274
Speaker 1: Talk to me about that because it sounds negative.

578
00:26:28,474 --> 00:26:32,354
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's actually been coined ironically under consumption core.

579
00:26:32,434 --> 00:26:32,594
Speaker 1: Yeah.

580
00:26:32,594 --> 00:26:38,074
Speaker 2: Everything needs to be coined, yeah, everything, But yeah, it's

581
00:26:38,074 --> 00:26:41,434
Speaker 2: about it's it's at least there's some like positive attributes

582
00:26:41,474 --> 00:26:44,434
Speaker 2: to it, and it stops from buying under consumption. So

583
00:26:44,474 --> 00:26:46,354
Speaker 2: one of the things that creators coined within this is

584
00:26:46,394 --> 00:26:48,274
Speaker 2: seventy five hard for fashion, where you just don't buy

585
00:26:48,314 --> 00:26:50,314
Speaker 2: anything and you're styling each day the piece.

586
00:26:50,154 --> 00:26:52,514
Speaker 1: Is seventy five days. That's only like just over two months.

587
00:26:52,554 --> 00:26:54,513
Speaker 2: Yeah, it shouldn't be hard, and you know people have

588
00:26:54,554 --> 00:26:56,314
Speaker 2: a flexed now saying oh, I'm not I'm not buying

589
00:26:56,314 --> 00:26:58,154
Speaker 2: anything for a year. Do you find you.

590
00:26:58,394 --> 00:27:00,833
Speaker 1: We had a guest on she was on in January

591
00:27:00,874 --> 00:27:02,154
Speaker 1: or put a link in the show notes she did

592
00:27:02,234 --> 00:27:04,954
Speaker 1: not buy anything for one whole year. She did it,

593
00:27:05,074 --> 00:27:08,353
Speaker 1: even her fitness sneakers before your heart right, I know.

594
00:27:08,394 --> 00:27:10,073
Speaker 1: And it was fascinating to listen to. It was one

595
00:27:10,074 --> 00:27:13,033
Speaker 1: of our most high performing episodes because I think people,

596
00:27:13,114 --> 00:27:15,634
Speaker 1: even if they're not huge shoppers or don't think they

597
00:27:15,674 --> 00:27:18,954
Speaker 1: can do it themselves, there's so much sort of pervinus

598
00:27:18,994 --> 00:27:21,674
Speaker 1: and intrigue of what that looks like and what someone

599
00:27:21,714 --> 00:27:25,314
Speaker 1: had before. And we also recently had a stylist on Sam.

600
00:27:25,354 --> 00:27:28,994
Speaker 1: She was fantastic and she is the most incredible stylish stylist.

601
00:27:29,074 --> 00:27:31,114
Speaker 1: But she's all about not buying anything new unless you

602
00:27:31,154 --> 00:27:34,154
Speaker 1: really need to, and how to work out why you're

603
00:27:34,154 --> 00:27:36,273
Speaker 1: not wearing your word at first, where as much as

604
00:27:36,274 --> 00:27:37,634
Speaker 1: you can before you go out of pieces.

605
00:27:37,714 --> 00:27:39,754
Speaker 2: I love you again, and that goes back also to

606
00:27:39,834 --> 00:27:40,794
Speaker 2: that purpose base.

607
00:27:41,034 --> 00:27:41,314
Speaker 1: Yes.

608
00:27:41,394 --> 00:27:45,514
Speaker 2: Pieces. There's a really great content creator called Tamsen. She

609
00:27:45,634 --> 00:27:49,034
Speaker 2: creates so again purpose driven. If she's going camping in

610
00:27:49,074 --> 00:27:53,114
Speaker 2: Wales or walking a dog, like, it's about buying pieces

611
00:27:53,114 --> 00:27:55,434
Speaker 2: for that. So just say what you're saying. If that

612
00:27:55,514 --> 00:27:57,434
Speaker 2: person is going to buy a trench coat, where is

613
00:27:57,434 --> 00:27:59,194
Speaker 2: she going to be wearing it? Does she need it?

614
00:27:59,274 --> 00:28:00,034
Speaker 2: Maybe not like.

615
00:28:00,314 --> 00:28:02,274
Speaker 1: It, but at least she's realized she wants a trench

616
00:28:02,314 --> 00:28:03,954
Speaker 1: coat instead of a fur coat, because guess what, you

617
00:28:03,954 --> 00:28:06,513
Speaker 1: don't really wear fur coats many places. It's kind of

618
00:28:06,554 --> 00:28:08,714
Speaker 1: I think, you know, coming to terms with and being

619
00:28:08,714 --> 00:28:13,114
Speaker 1: realistic about your lifestyle. It's about the function, if it's comfortable,

620
00:28:13,114 --> 00:28:15,554
Speaker 1: but also where are you going. I think we're finding

621
00:28:15,634 --> 00:28:19,474
Speaker 1: people are finally not dressing for their imaginary life or

622
00:28:19,514 --> 00:28:22,513
Speaker 1: shopping for a wardrobe for their three week holiday in

623
00:28:22,554 --> 00:28:24,634
Speaker 1: Europe when the rest of the year they are at

624
00:28:24,634 --> 00:28:26,874
Speaker 1: their desk or you know, parenting their children. So I

625
00:28:26,874 --> 00:28:29,314
Speaker 1: think people are like, can I walk in this? Can

626
00:28:29,354 --> 00:28:31,273
Speaker 1: I sit in this? Can I wear this multiple ways?

627
00:28:32,034 --> 00:28:34,273
Speaker 1: Is the arte and practical? Is it flexible? Like a

628
00:28:34,274 --> 00:28:36,474
Speaker 1: trench is a great example. You could wear that over address,

629
00:28:36,514 --> 00:28:38,554
Speaker 1: you can wear that over your pajamas, which I often do.

630
00:28:38,634 --> 00:28:42,034
Speaker 1: I think now people are more like a sigh of relief.

631
00:28:42,034 --> 00:28:45,794
Speaker 1: They're given permission to buy what they wear day to day,

632
00:28:45,874 --> 00:28:48,994
Speaker 1: which for me was definitely something to overcome in my

633
00:28:49,034 --> 00:28:52,514
Speaker 1: head because white T shirts aren't that exciting to buy.

634
00:28:52,794 --> 00:28:55,354
Speaker 1: But I live in them, and now I appreciate the

635
00:28:55,394 --> 00:28:57,834
Speaker 1: difference between them. I will go and research them, whereas

636
00:28:58,074 --> 00:28:59,794
Speaker 1: a lot of people go, well, that's not exciting, and

637
00:28:59,834 --> 00:29:01,514
Speaker 1: that's why I don't have a plane tank or I

638
00:29:01,554 --> 00:29:04,874
Speaker 1: don't have, you know, a staple white shirt, because it's

639
00:29:04,874 --> 00:29:08,994
Speaker 1: particularly not that fun to look for, particularly online. But

640
00:29:09,034 --> 00:29:11,114
Speaker 1: people are now going, okay, no, I really do wear

641
00:29:11,554 --> 00:29:14,434
Speaker 1: jeans five days a week, or a playing tea, and

642
00:29:14,514 --> 00:29:18,074
Speaker 1: so they have the permission to shop for and even

643
00:29:18,074 --> 00:29:20,034
Speaker 1: spend a little bit more money on something that's practical

644
00:29:20,074 --> 00:29:22,714
Speaker 1: and comfortable and that they will wear a lot, rather than, oh,

645
00:29:22,754 --> 00:29:24,434
Speaker 1: i've got a wedding to come up. Let's spend four

646
00:29:24,514 --> 00:29:26,554
Speaker 1: hundred dollars on a dress, yeah, that you just don't

647
00:29:26,594 --> 00:29:26,914
Speaker 1: really wear.

648
00:29:26,954 --> 00:29:27,794
Speaker 2: Again, I love that.

649
00:29:28,074 --> 00:29:30,474
Speaker 1: Coming up after the break, we've got Bougie two budget

650
00:29:30,514 --> 00:29:33,114
Speaker 1: now three items, and we're both bringing something that's trending

651
00:29:33,154 --> 00:29:35,314
Speaker 1: this winter. But that we've always loved, no matter it

652
00:29:35,394 --> 00:29:36,434
Speaker 1: fits in or out.

653
00:29:47,914 --> 00:29:51,994
Speaker 2: It's very expensive. How old are these percent?

654
00:29:52,674 --> 00:29:53,914
Speaker 1: All? Right, what's your item?

655
00:29:53,954 --> 00:29:54,194
Speaker 2: First?

656
00:29:54,274 --> 00:29:56,754
Speaker 1: My friend? What's something that you love? And you've got

657
00:29:56,794 --> 00:29:57,634
Speaker 1: three versions of.

658
00:29:58,074 --> 00:30:01,714
Speaker 2: So I actually don't own this item at the moment.

659
00:30:01,834 --> 00:30:04,154
Speaker 1: So I am actually not single one, single one of them.

660
00:30:04,314 --> 00:30:06,274
Speaker 2: No, oh, so you're on the lookout. I really am

661
00:30:06,314 --> 00:30:09,754
Speaker 2: on the lookout. It is an oversized leather bomber jacket

662
00:30:09,794 --> 00:30:12,034
Speaker 2: to the specific, but I don't have a leather jacket

663
00:30:12,034 --> 00:30:12,554
Speaker 2: at the moment.

664
00:30:12,674 --> 00:30:15,514
Speaker 1: Okay, And I do think you do this job and

665
00:30:15,554 --> 00:30:16,394
Speaker 1: you got to research.

666
00:30:16,714 --> 00:30:20,754
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're definitely everywhere at the moment. We've seen

667
00:30:20,914 --> 00:30:24,114
Speaker 2: Witchery come out with their Lara Worthington collaboration where they

668
00:30:24,114 --> 00:30:27,714
Speaker 2: had that distressed, oversized drop shoulder leather jacket.

669
00:30:27,754 --> 00:30:29,954
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was quite controversial. I saw a lot of

670
00:30:29,994 --> 00:30:33,034
Speaker 1: posts on social media saying, you know, what have you done, Witchery,

671
00:30:33,234 --> 00:30:35,474
Speaker 1: that is a normal person to salt down the street,

672
00:30:35,474 --> 00:30:37,954
Speaker 1: that they would look homeless. There was a great if

673
00:30:37,954 --> 00:30:39,634
Speaker 1: someone did say that it was Karla.

674
00:30:39,434 --> 00:30:41,514
Speaker 2: J Soda talking about come on look at it was

675
00:30:41,554 --> 00:30:44,474
Speaker 2: Pitt Edwards and Laura Worthington and a shot together with

676
00:30:43,914 --> 00:30:45,434
Speaker 2: the with the limp hair.

677
00:30:45,834 --> 00:30:47,674
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I thought it was fabulous, but I

678
00:30:47,714 --> 00:30:50,354
Speaker 1: do see what they're saying, and that, you know, the

679
00:30:50,394 --> 00:30:53,594
Speaker 1: probably the regular witchery shopper, or at least the heritage

680
00:30:53,594 --> 00:30:55,554
Speaker 1: Witchery shop, it probably feels a little bit left behind,

681
00:30:55,714 --> 00:30:57,594
Speaker 1: and it's that they've taken a whole different direction.

682
00:30:57,474 --> 00:30:59,634
Speaker 2: And it is funny, like what we've been talking about

683
00:30:59,674 --> 00:31:02,434
Speaker 2: today with the indie sleeves, it plays into that hole

684
00:31:02,474 --> 00:31:05,194
Speaker 2: look with the greasy, young kept hair. The leather jacket

685
00:31:05,234 --> 00:31:08,034
Speaker 2: was quite big with indy sleeves and it being a

686
00:31:08,074 --> 00:31:10,514
Speaker 2: big trend. It's not just Witchery doing a leather bomber,

687
00:31:11,754 --> 00:31:12,834
Speaker 2: so many of them.

688
00:31:12,714 --> 00:31:15,354
Speaker 1: Right, which I think if we're talking leather, you know,

689
00:31:15,474 --> 00:31:18,314
Speaker 1: it's great because more brands are doing actual genuine leather

690
00:31:18,354 --> 00:31:20,394
Speaker 1: than ever before. And so if that's something that you want,

691
00:31:20,634 --> 00:31:22,954
Speaker 1: you don't have to spend one thousand dollars because it's

692
00:31:22,954 --> 00:31:25,314
Speaker 1: more accessible. I mean, Target last year, I don't know

693
00:31:25,314 --> 00:31:27,594
Speaker 1: if they've done it this year. They did an amazing

694
00:31:27,874 --> 00:31:31,354
Speaker 1: leather jacket. It was real on Target. Yeah, I got

695
00:31:31,394 --> 00:31:33,554
Speaker 1: the men's. Women's one was more of a blazer style,

696
00:31:33,554 --> 00:31:35,634
Speaker 1: so I got the men's bomber style. Oh, we'll have

697
00:31:35,634 --> 00:31:36,554
Speaker 1: to check if they're doing something.

698
00:31:36,874 --> 00:31:39,234
Speaker 2: There's really great pleasure out there now there, it looks

699
00:31:39,274 --> 00:31:41,514
Speaker 2: so good. Yeah. Can I give you one fun fact

700
00:31:41,514 --> 00:31:44,474
Speaker 2: about the bomber jacket? Really kicking fun facts. I don't

701
00:31:44,514 --> 00:31:47,514
Speaker 2: know any of this stuff, so it's close bark because

702
00:31:47,514 --> 00:31:50,794
Speaker 2: my grandfather was a pilot in World War two. Oh wow,

703
00:31:50,954 --> 00:31:54,594
Speaker 2: this was a military jacket that the pilot's aviation wore

704
00:31:54,594 --> 00:31:56,754
Speaker 2: it in World War Two. Right, and it was a

705
00:31:56,794 --> 00:31:58,994
Speaker 2: functional jacket. It was not part of the fashion z

706
00:31:58,994 --> 00:32:01,034
Speaker 2: eye guys at all. And after World War Two there's

707
00:32:01,074 --> 00:32:03,354
Speaker 2: just so many at their disposal that they just all

708
00:32:03,354 --> 00:32:05,554
Speaker 2: went into the flea markets and three shots, which is

709
00:32:05,554 --> 00:32:08,394
Speaker 2: why they got picked up by the indie subcultures and

710
00:32:08,434 --> 00:32:11,234
Speaker 2: everyone I'm wearing them, and that's how they became cool, right.

711
00:32:11,354 --> 00:32:12,994
Speaker 1: I did not know that. I mean it's the same

712
00:32:13,034 --> 00:32:15,394
Speaker 1: with jeans. They would literally like utility and then people

713
00:32:15,394 --> 00:32:18,234
Speaker 1: were like, oh dnim cool. Like something always starts from

714
00:32:18,634 --> 00:32:21,234
Speaker 1: its function and then it becomes clear.

715
00:32:21,234 --> 00:32:22,954
Speaker 2: I think that's really cool, amazing.

716
00:32:23,074 --> 00:32:25,114
Speaker 1: I did not know. But I do love a bomber.

717
00:32:24,954 --> 00:32:26,954
Speaker 2: So say I love a bomber. So the three here,

718
00:32:27,034 --> 00:32:30,354
Speaker 2: I'm starting with a deep Hop. Fine, I've been deep

719
00:32:30,594 --> 00:32:33,154
Speaker 2: in deep Hop. Like you said, you're on it all

720
00:32:33,154 --> 00:32:34,994
Speaker 2: the time trying to find a little jacket. I'd love

721
00:32:35,074 --> 00:32:37,354
Speaker 2: to find a secondhand leather Yeah.

722
00:32:37,474 --> 00:32:39,234
Speaker 1: Deep Hop I find you really need to get to

723
00:32:39,234 --> 00:32:40,834
Speaker 1: know what You've got to spend some intimate time with it,

724
00:32:40,914 --> 00:32:43,434
Speaker 1: teaching at the brands you like. Putting in your sizing.

725
00:32:43,954 --> 00:32:45,874
Speaker 1: I find it's hit and missed because it must be

726
00:32:45,994 --> 00:32:48,674
Speaker 1: UK based. It always gets my shoe size wrong. But

727
00:32:48,714 --> 00:32:50,714
Speaker 1: when I first use Deepop for the first six months,

728
00:32:50,714 --> 00:32:51,874
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't get what all the fuss

729
00:32:51,954 --> 00:32:54,234
Speaker 1: is about. Yeah, but it's kind of like pinteresting that

730
00:32:54,274 --> 00:32:56,914
Speaker 1: the algorithm will get you really well in the end,

731
00:32:56,994 --> 00:32:59,554
Speaker 1: you just have to spend time. It is probably my

732
00:32:59,594 --> 00:33:01,954
Speaker 1: favorite all the Real Real as.

733
00:33:01,834 --> 00:33:02,234
Speaker 2: Well, have you.

734
00:33:02,354 --> 00:33:04,154
Speaker 1: I love the Real Real Investor, But of course then

735
00:33:04,234 --> 00:33:06,474
Speaker 1: they're that kind of next level fancy. Whereas deepop can

736
00:33:06,514 --> 00:33:08,834
Speaker 1: get any brand, you have to pay for shipping, which

737
00:33:08,874 --> 00:33:12,074
Speaker 1: is outrageous P So I live on Deepop.

738
00:33:12,234 --> 00:33:14,994
Speaker 2: This one is it's genuine leather g Star. It's one

739
00:33:15,074 --> 00:33:17,714
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty dollars, so it's still a high budget,

740
00:33:18,634 --> 00:33:22,474
Speaker 2: but for a genuine leather jacket that will last. So

741
00:33:22,514 --> 00:33:25,074
Speaker 2: that's that one there. It's a deep Hop So this

742
00:33:25,114 --> 00:33:28,514
Speaker 2: one's a biker style jacket. But this is just more

743
00:33:28,554 --> 00:33:33,114
Speaker 2: a general record budget for deep Hop leather jacket. Yeah,

744
00:33:33,154 --> 00:33:35,194
Speaker 2: you know there's some there for eighty dollars. This one

745
00:33:35,234 --> 00:33:37,874
Speaker 2: here was one to eighty. There's genuine leather. But if

746
00:33:37,874 --> 00:33:40,434
Speaker 2: you're looking for a leather bomber to start with Deepop, I.

747
00:33:40,434 --> 00:33:43,034
Speaker 1: Think so too, because also it's leather. If it's relatively

748
00:33:43,074 --> 00:33:45,594
Speaker 1: well cared for, it'll be in good condition. There's some

749
00:33:45,634 --> 00:33:47,074
Speaker 1: things that you really want to you know, and on

750
00:33:47,154 --> 00:33:49,034
Speaker 1: Deepop you can filter and you know brand new never

751
00:33:49,074 --> 00:33:51,994
Speaker 1: you used, good, excellent, So definitely do that research. But

752
00:33:52,034 --> 00:33:54,794
Speaker 1: outerwear like leather is so good to buy second hand.

753
00:33:54,914 --> 00:33:58,114
Speaker 2: Yes, my next one isn't secondhand. It is from a

754
00:33:58,114 --> 00:34:01,554
Speaker 2: brand called Hemi Blur, which is actually a New Zealand brand,

755
00:34:01,834 --> 00:34:06,114
Speaker 2: and it's made from genuine lambskin leather lam it's also

756
00:34:06,154 --> 00:34:08,873
Speaker 2: the high neck fuddeleneck, which is quite big as well.

757
00:34:08,913 --> 00:34:11,794
Speaker 2: It is. This one is five hundred and sixteen dollars,

758
00:34:11,873 --> 00:34:14,274
Speaker 2: So again these are it's a you're paying for the

759
00:34:14,473 --> 00:34:15,993
Speaker 2: genuine lever, so you.

760
00:34:16,074 --> 00:34:17,953
Speaker 1: Just want to keep this forever. You know, it's not

761
00:34:18,114 --> 00:34:20,873
Speaker 1: a micro trend. Yeah, right, like the items, that's something

762
00:34:20,914 --> 00:34:22,074
Speaker 1: that you will have for ten years.

763
00:34:22,114 --> 00:34:24,434
Speaker 2: Even just referencing my next so this one here is

764
00:34:24,474 --> 00:34:27,393
Speaker 2: five hundred and sixteen dollars My next one. Speaking of

765
00:34:27,674 --> 00:34:32,594
Speaker 2: this style lasting forever, it's the vintage twenty thirteen Valenciaga jacket.

766
00:34:32,594 --> 00:34:33,234
Speaker 2: Do you remember what?

767
00:34:34,234 --> 00:34:35,194
Speaker 1: Right to my mind?

768
00:34:35,474 --> 00:34:37,913
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I almost just want to buy this. This

769
00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:40,433
Speaker 2: is on the real reel actually, so it's secondhand. It's

770
00:34:40,514 --> 00:34:44,474
Speaker 2: Valenciaga from twenty thirteen, the collection by Alexander Wang. Everyone

771
00:34:44,514 --> 00:34:49,074
Speaker 2: knows his biker Valenciaga jacket lambskin under one thousand dollars.

772
00:34:49,154 --> 00:34:51,354
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty cool to get this jacket, and

773
00:34:51,354 --> 00:34:52,953
Speaker 2: there's so many on the real reel.

774
00:34:53,034 --> 00:34:55,634
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. I mean that's fifteen almost fifteen years old, though,

775
00:34:55,634 --> 00:34:58,434
Speaker 1: and someone is going to sell that and make decent

776
00:34:58,474 --> 00:34:59,993
Speaker 1: money back, so I think, you know, and then.

777
00:34:59,954 --> 00:35:01,594
Speaker 2: You could probably do the same again.

778
00:35:01,474 --> 00:35:03,194
Speaker 1: If you don't want to hold on forever, you know,

779
00:35:03,194 --> 00:35:05,074
Speaker 1: because I think sometimes you buy a forever piece and

780
00:35:05,114 --> 00:35:06,714
Speaker 1: it just doesn't end up being that. But knowing that

781
00:35:06,714 --> 00:35:09,354
Speaker 1: it has good resale is what everyone's about at the moment.

782
00:35:09,354 --> 00:35:10,474
Speaker 2: What are your bugy to budget.

783
00:35:10,634 --> 00:35:13,314
Speaker 1: Every winter, obviously we have nits come back in and

784
00:35:13,354 --> 00:35:15,994
Speaker 1: I think that that's just a practicality thing and that

785
00:35:16,074 --> 00:35:19,114
Speaker 1: it gets cold. But I think also this winter we're

786
00:35:19,194 --> 00:35:21,993
Speaker 1: kind of seeing knits with personality, and I it made

787
00:35:22,034 --> 00:35:25,314
Speaker 1: me think immediately remember your oversized knit cardigan that was

788
00:35:25,514 --> 00:35:29,314
Speaker 1: like the grown parkhore their grandpa poor one. Because I've

789
00:35:29,314 --> 00:35:32,794
Speaker 1: got so many knits that are a lovely dark gray,

790
00:35:32,834 --> 00:35:34,953
Speaker 1: a lovely light gray. Maybe I've gone crazy and I've

791
00:35:34,954 --> 00:35:37,354
Speaker 1: got a little carkeen hit, but I think these are

792
00:35:37,354 --> 00:35:39,834
Speaker 1: great ways to add personality to your wardrobe. Again, back

793
00:35:39,834 --> 00:35:42,274
Speaker 1: to that personal style. You can buy real of course,

794
00:35:42,314 --> 00:35:45,234
Speaker 1: you can also buy thrifted. The men's knitwear section is

795
00:35:45,314 --> 00:35:48,194
Speaker 1: always fabulous when if you're thrifting, because I love that

796
00:35:48,474 --> 00:35:52,114
Speaker 1: men just don't. I don't know, men rarely donate things,

797
00:35:52,234 --> 00:35:54,834
Speaker 1: or you know, if they do, they're generally in pretty

798
00:35:54,834 --> 00:35:57,594
Speaker 1: good condition because they just I don't think they deliberate

799
00:35:57,634 --> 00:36:00,033
Speaker 1: over it like we do. Or I find nit whar's

800
00:36:00,074 --> 00:36:03,234
Speaker 1: great to buy even online because if you want oversized

801
00:36:03,434 --> 00:36:05,834
Speaker 1: sizings not as scary online because you just kind of

802
00:36:05,874 --> 00:36:08,714
Speaker 1: size up. Yeah, but if you I've found with personality

803
00:36:08,754 --> 00:36:11,354
Speaker 1: the cotton on luxe crew neck jumper. It's forty nine

804
00:36:11,354 --> 00:36:13,474
Speaker 1: to ninety nine. It was on sale at the time

805
00:36:13,594 --> 00:36:16,554
Speaker 1: of recording. This comes in, Oh god, I think twelve

806
00:36:16,594 --> 00:36:19,393
Speaker 1: different shades or colors. But it's just like kind of

807
00:36:19,474 --> 00:36:22,594
Speaker 1: a bit of a vintage looking crew neck stripes and

808
00:36:23,274 --> 00:36:25,194
Speaker 1: are like the red and it's the burgundy and the

809
00:36:25,234 --> 00:36:27,794
Speaker 1: gray petal stripe, and then it's got that sort.

810
00:36:27,674 --> 00:36:29,034
Speaker 2: Of thicker block sleeve.

811
00:36:29,154 --> 00:36:31,714
Speaker 1: So well, like, yeah, it's just a knit with personality

812
00:36:31,794 --> 00:36:33,154
Speaker 1: rather than just your plain old gray.

813
00:36:33,434 --> 00:36:35,913
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nice, I do need some nits for this, Like

814
00:36:35,914 --> 00:36:38,834
Speaker 2: it's getting colder already despite actually we're sitting in humidity right.

815
00:36:38,714 --> 00:36:40,513
Speaker 1: Now, I know, but it gets I know, I love

816
00:36:40,554 --> 00:36:44,354
Speaker 1: those cold mornings. It gets colder where you're from, right yeah, yeah, yeah,

817
00:36:44,434 --> 00:36:47,034
Speaker 1: So these look good. And then I love the brand

818
00:36:47,114 --> 00:36:49,354
Speaker 1: verg Girl. I just think they do the best most

819
00:36:49,514 --> 00:36:52,874
Speaker 1: kind of unique High Street from any of the Australian brands, because,

820
00:36:53,434 --> 00:36:56,474
Speaker 1: like we were saying before, there's a lot of great affordability,

821
00:36:56,514 --> 00:36:58,393
Speaker 1: but it all looks the same, whereas theirs is a

822
00:36:58,394 --> 00:37:00,354
Speaker 1: little bit sort of eclectic and a little bit sort.

823
00:37:00,194 --> 00:37:02,314
Speaker 2: Of boho, do you think as well? So we always

824
00:37:02,314 --> 00:37:04,034
Speaker 2: say all brands look same. They all look the same,

825
00:37:04,034 --> 00:37:05,953
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But there are brands like ViRGE Girl,

826
00:37:05,954 --> 00:37:08,674
Speaker 2: who asks, you know, yep, stuffing outside the norm.

827
00:37:08,754 --> 00:37:11,274
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. So virgu Girl have a collection of

828
00:37:11,594 --> 00:37:13,794
Speaker 1: knits that are all called Sam Something Something. I don't

829
00:37:13,794 --> 00:37:16,433
Speaker 1: know who Sam is, which has got good taste. The

830
00:37:16,674 --> 00:37:19,274
Speaker 1: Sam Knit jumper in check it's one hundred and forty

831
00:37:19,354 --> 00:37:21,034
Speaker 1: nine dollars, or at the time of recording it was

832
00:37:21,034 --> 00:37:23,114
Speaker 1: down to seventy four, so I hope it's not sold out.

833
00:37:23,434 --> 00:37:25,553
Speaker 1: I love this jumper. It's kind of like a high neck,

834
00:37:25,594 --> 00:37:30,074
Speaker 1: but not that kind of mumsy turtleneck. It's got a

835
00:37:30,074 --> 00:37:31,873
Speaker 1: beautiful sort of textured weave, so it does look a

836
00:37:31,914 --> 00:37:33,873
Speaker 1: little bit vintage. It's not something that you're going to

837
00:37:33,874 --> 00:37:35,993
Speaker 1: buy this season and then it's you know, over by

838
00:37:36,034 --> 00:37:38,994
Speaker 1: next season. And I find they just have some really

839
00:37:38,994 --> 00:37:42,194
Speaker 1: beautiful knits, amazing cardigan So as we go further into winter,

840
00:37:42,354 --> 00:37:44,354
Speaker 1: I would keep checking back. I always check back at

841
00:37:44,434 --> 00:37:47,554
Speaker 1: Vergi Girl for kind of fun, different sort of statement

842
00:37:47,594 --> 00:37:49,834
Speaker 1: in knits or tops with these ones that are a

843
00:37:49,874 --> 00:37:52,434
Speaker 1: bit more affordable, and you're not sure if the fabric composition.

844
00:37:52,594 --> 00:37:54,514
Speaker 1: I always just wear a T shirt, you know, like

845
00:37:54,554 --> 00:37:57,314
Speaker 1: a Unigo T shirt or crew NECKT shirt under these

846
00:37:57,354 --> 00:37:59,274
Speaker 1: and if I don't spill anything on the outside, I

847
00:37:59,394 --> 00:38:01,714
Speaker 1: rarely wash these knits because I just you know, they

848
00:38:01,794 --> 00:38:04,034
Speaker 1: never look as good as the first time, because sometimes

849
00:38:04,034 --> 00:38:05,594
Speaker 1: you just don't need to wash them. I see people

850
00:38:05,634 --> 00:38:09,314
Speaker 1: in general overwash killing jumpers or outerwear. I mean, again,

851
00:38:09,514 --> 00:38:11,873
Speaker 1: wash your undies, but things might not need washing as

852
00:38:11,954 --> 00:38:12,473
Speaker 1: much as you.

853
00:38:12,874 --> 00:38:13,873
Speaker 2: That's a good point you need.

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Speaker 1: And then my third one is a brand I've never

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Speaker 1: heard of, but I was researching for this. It's the

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00:38:18,874 --> 00:38:23,194
Speaker 1: brand's called Damson Matter on the iconic. Don't know where

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Speaker 1: they're from. Probably should have done a little bit more research,

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Speaker 1: but I love the Renee crew jumper two hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty dollars. All of this brand's knits that I've had

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Speaker 1: to look at are pure Marino wool, so they're really

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Speaker 1: beautiful stripe patterns, something that looks like you've got it

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Speaker 1: from you know, your boyfriend's wardrobe, or you've had it

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Speaker 1: from university. Obviously, being Marino, wall's gonna last you forever

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Speaker 1: if you keep it well, and it's actually going to

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Speaker 1: keep you quite warm.

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Speaker 2: Is that a nautical stripe? For what are we looking

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Speaker 2: at this stripe? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: There's lots of different stripes. They've got stripes, they've got checks.

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Speaker 1: It's just knits with personality, which I'm really into because

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's an easy way to add something.

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Speaker 1: I also really like something that's a bit of a

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00:39:00,114 --> 00:39:02,474
Speaker 1: statement cardingg and it doesn't feel as scary as buying,

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00:39:02,514 --> 00:39:05,514
Speaker 1: you know, a whole dress or a whole coach. I

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00:39:05,554 --> 00:39:07,474
Speaker 1: think a knit is. I mean, these are dred and

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Speaker 1: thirty dollars. You can get amazing knits that are more

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Speaker 1: affordable that as long as you look after them, they

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Speaker 1: won't fall apart and your.

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Speaker 2: Base can still be neutral.

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Speaker 1: And it is because I'm never going to give up

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Speaker 1: my jeans. I've got, you know, I'm liking quite a

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00:39:19,874 --> 00:39:23,433
Speaker 1: long maxi skirt for winter. But I've got, you know,

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00:39:23,474 --> 00:39:26,474
Speaker 1: a white denim like a beige jenem I guess, and

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Speaker 1: a traditional blue jenim. So I think this is how

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00:39:29,074 --> 00:39:30,994
Speaker 1: I add a bit of personality or you know, knitted

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00:39:31,394 --> 00:39:34,674
Speaker 1: linted cardigan. But my basics and always my bottoms usually

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00:39:34,914 --> 00:39:36,674
Speaker 1: are quite boring, so I like to add a bit

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Speaker 1: of personal.

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Speaker 2: Stuff damns and matter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us on

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