1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:10,953 Speaker 1: You're listening to I'm Mom with mea podcast. 2 00:00:14,394 --> 00:00:16,954 Speaker 2: Hello you bies, it's Lee here, and I wanted to 3 00:00:17,034 --> 00:00:19,913 Speaker 2: drop this special episode of Nothing to Wear into the 4 00:00:20,034 --> 00:00:23,393 Speaker 2: U Bidy feed because if you like makeup and skincare, 5 00:00:23,554 --> 00:00:26,553 Speaker 2: you might like fashion as well. And when I say fashion, 6 00:00:26,674 --> 00:00:30,314 Speaker 2: I don't mean blindly following trends or spending a fortune. 7 00:00:30,394 --> 00:00:33,193 Speaker 2: It's just some really great style advice. And I reckon 8 00:00:33,234 --> 00:00:35,874 Speaker 2: you're gonna like this one. 9 00:00:36,554 --> 00:00:39,354 Speaker 3: Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously disturved 10 00:00:39,513 --> 00:00:43,553 Speaker 3: laols for spraying groundbreaking, Oh my god, you have to 11 00:00:43,634 --> 00:00:45,233 Speaker 3: do it. You live for fashion. 12 00:00:46,634 --> 00:00:48,833 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome for Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 13 00:00:48,873 --> 00:00:51,833 Speaker 2: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee 14 00:00:51,954 --> 00:00:55,434 Speaker 2: Campbell and I have a gift for you today. Someone 15 00:00:55,474 --> 00:00:58,714 Speaker 2: came into the office incognito. I snuck them in before 16 00:00:58,754 --> 00:01:01,834 Speaker 2: anyone could pick up who it was. It's fashion and critical. 17 00:01:02,314 --> 00:01:04,514 Speaker 2: If you don't know who I'm talking about, well no 18 00:01:04,554 --> 00:01:08,394 Speaker 2: one really does, because they are a non They're an enigma. 19 00:01:08,714 --> 00:01:11,034 Speaker 2: They have three hundred and fifty thousand people in their 20 00:01:11,034 --> 00:01:13,554 Speaker 2: community on Facebook and about one hundred and twenty thousand 21 00:01:13,594 --> 00:01:19,074 Speaker 2: on Instagram, and they're basically Australia's fashion gossip girl Anonymous. 22 00:01:19,114 --> 00:01:22,114 Speaker 2: They commentate any red carpet from the logis Here in 23 00:01:22,154 --> 00:01:26,354 Speaker 2: Australia right through to the Oscars and recently Fashion Critical 24 00:01:26,474 --> 00:01:29,154 Speaker 2: also wrote a book about just that. And they're joining 25 00:01:29,194 --> 00:01:33,234 Speaker 2: me today incognito in disguise to talk all things fashion 26 00:01:33,274 --> 00:01:35,474 Speaker 2: and red carpet, the things that go on behind the scenes, 27 00:01:35,554 --> 00:01:38,194 Speaker 2: and the celebrities that get very cranky when she comments 28 00:01:38,194 --> 00:01:42,514 Speaker 2: on their outfits. Fashion Critical Welcome to Nothing to Wear. 29 00:01:43,274 --> 00:01:45,514 Speaker 2: I couldn't tell anyone in the office that you were 30 00:01:45,554 --> 00:01:48,674 Speaker 2: coming because you would have been attacked and that thing 31 00:01:48,714 --> 00:01:50,314 Speaker 2: would have been taken off your head and your true 32 00:01:50,354 --> 00:01:51,354 Speaker 2: identity revealed. 33 00:01:51,794 --> 00:01:54,194 Speaker 1: But it is so exciting to have you here. Now. 34 00:01:54,514 --> 00:01:56,474 Speaker 2: Before we get into the topic, which is basically you, 35 00:01:57,074 --> 00:02:01,234 Speaker 2: I ask new guests the same few questions. Describe your 36 00:02:01,274 --> 00:02:03,794 Speaker 2: style Fashion Critical in three words. 37 00:02:03,914 --> 00:02:13,513 Speaker 4: Eclectic, unpredictable and unhinged. Yes at times, Yeah. 38 00:02:13,314 --> 00:02:15,234 Speaker 1: I love it. I was going to say extravagant. 39 00:02:16,114 --> 00:02:19,633 Speaker 4: I'm not extravagant visually but not financially. 40 00:02:20,234 --> 00:02:23,754 Speaker 1: Yes. No, but like the lot, it can be a lot, 41 00:02:23,874 --> 00:02:25,714 Speaker 1: it can be a lot. I like it. 42 00:02:26,274 --> 00:02:28,394 Speaker 2: Okay, this is going to be interesting to hear, how 43 00:02:28,434 --> 00:02:32,274 Speaker 2: you answer this. Most people have a wardrobe, but they 44 00:02:32,274 --> 00:02:35,154 Speaker 2: wear ten percent of that wardrobe ninety percent of the time. 45 00:02:35,554 --> 00:02:37,234 Speaker 1: The rest they love but don't really reach for. 46 00:02:37,474 --> 00:02:40,513 Speaker 2: There's a core amount of items that they wear over 47 00:02:40,554 --> 00:02:41,073 Speaker 2: and over again. 48 00:02:41,114 --> 00:02:43,114 Speaker 1: Fashion critical. What do you wear over and over again? 49 00:02:43,154 --> 00:02:45,914 Speaker 4: I don't know if I should admit to this active 50 00:02:45,954 --> 00:02:48,674 Speaker 4: where lies not joking. I don't know if I should 51 00:02:48,674 --> 00:02:52,234 Speaker 4: say that. If I'm not seeing anyone, I'm all about 52 00:02:52,434 --> 00:02:55,434 Speaker 4: being comfy. But I would say in summer, it's very 53 00:02:55,514 --> 00:02:58,274 Speaker 4: much like little summer addresses. I love just having like 54 00:02:58,434 --> 00:03:01,274 Speaker 4: putting on one thing, not having to put bottom and top, 55 00:03:01,474 --> 00:03:03,314 Speaker 4: just the one thing, and it's all like loose and 56 00:03:03,354 --> 00:03:04,314 Speaker 4: floating and nice. 57 00:03:04,474 --> 00:03:06,474 Speaker 2: And so you've got your little floaty sum address on 58 00:03:06,594 --> 00:03:09,554 Speaker 2: what if you got covering faith, Well. 59 00:03:09,314 --> 00:03:12,034 Speaker 4: You'd be surprised to know that I am able to 60 00:03:12,074 --> 00:03:15,474 Speaker 4: walk around freely in public without my head covering because 61 00:03:15,474 --> 00:03:16,554 Speaker 4: nobody knows who I am. 62 00:03:16,674 --> 00:03:19,154 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you're like sea. It was it cea yes, 63 00:03:19,234 --> 00:03:20,233 Speaker 1: you're grug yes? 64 00:03:20,434 --> 00:03:21,233 Speaker 3: Or like blanket. 65 00:03:21,274 --> 00:03:23,474 Speaker 4: When Michael Jackson used to put the blanket over his 66 00:03:23,554 --> 00:03:24,714 Speaker 4: face and then he could. 67 00:03:24,514 --> 00:03:25,954 Speaker 1: Go to pre school, it's called blanket. 68 00:03:26,034 --> 00:03:27,634 Speaker 3: He was called blanket that's what I thought. 69 00:03:27,834 --> 00:03:28,394 Speaker 1: He's your name. 70 00:03:29,034 --> 00:03:30,514 Speaker 3: No, his name's Prince Michael. 71 00:03:30,754 --> 00:03:33,913 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, fashion critical. Let's start with your backstory. 72 00:03:34,754 --> 00:03:37,674 Speaker 2: You started out as a street sweeper in Gunda, guys, 73 00:03:37,874 --> 00:03:40,594 Speaker 2: so tell me about that. Is the family business? How 74 00:03:40,594 --> 00:03:41,874 Speaker 2: did you get into street sweeping? 75 00:03:41,914 --> 00:03:43,674 Speaker 4: Look, I try not to talk too much about my 76 00:03:43,714 --> 00:03:46,114 Speaker 4: personal life because I don't want people, you know, turning 77 00:03:46,194 --> 00:03:47,554 Speaker 4: up when I'm on a council shift. 78 00:03:47,714 --> 00:03:50,154 Speaker 3: So I'm not going to divulge that. 79 00:03:51,914 --> 00:03:55,234 Speaker 4: But that is my day job when I'm not, you know, 80 00:03:55,274 --> 00:03:57,914 Speaker 4: critiquing the fashions of the rich and fayment still street 81 00:03:57,954 --> 00:03:58,754 Speaker 4: see indeed? 82 00:03:58,874 --> 00:04:02,274 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, So street sweeping is a far cry 83 00:04:02,394 --> 00:04:04,514 Speaker 2: from red carpets in Hollywood. 84 00:04:04,554 --> 00:04:06,234 Speaker 1: You know, they're quite different. Well, I don't know, I've 85 00:04:06,274 --> 00:04:07,034 Speaker 1: never sweep. 86 00:04:07,714 --> 00:04:10,394 Speaker 2: Have you always loved fashion and how did your commentary 87 00:04:10,514 --> 00:04:11,834 Speaker 2: of celebrity outfits begin? 88 00:04:12,194 --> 00:04:15,874 Speaker 4: Firstly, I would say yes, I've loved fashion in a 89 00:04:15,914 --> 00:04:20,794 Speaker 4: way that is fun and not based in any particular knowledge. 90 00:04:20,873 --> 00:04:24,713 Speaker 4: So probably wasn't someone that would read Vogue magazine or 91 00:04:24,914 --> 00:04:27,833 Speaker 4: no which designer was witch, But really have always loved 92 00:04:27,834 --> 00:04:30,234 Speaker 4: clothes and the joy of picking outfits and being able 93 00:04:30,234 --> 00:04:31,153 Speaker 4: to have a different. 94 00:04:30,834 --> 00:04:31,354 Speaker 3: Look every day. 95 00:04:31,393 --> 00:04:33,113 Speaker 2: Y you just sometimes have a vergue on your coffee 96 00:04:33,154 --> 00:04:34,634 Speaker 2: tape so you look fancy correct. 97 00:04:34,873 --> 00:04:37,674 Speaker 3: Yes, and they're like the big Vogue books. Oh on 98 00:04:37,753 --> 00:04:39,514 Speaker 3: my eyes. Yeah, it never opened it. 99 00:04:39,674 --> 00:04:44,513 Speaker 4: And how it started was really not a very exciting story. 100 00:04:44,553 --> 00:04:44,873 Speaker 3: I think. 101 00:04:44,914 --> 00:04:47,433 Speaker 4: I you know, when we were all on Facebook a 102 00:04:47,474 --> 00:04:49,833 Speaker 4: lot back in the day, those were the days they were, 103 00:04:50,234 --> 00:04:54,034 Speaker 4: they were heady days. I made an album I think 104 00:04:54,073 --> 00:04:56,914 Speaker 4: of the oscars and I just wrot this. 105 00:04:57,073 --> 00:04:57,634 Speaker 3: I don't know. 106 00:04:57,753 --> 00:05:00,553 Speaker 4: I keep saying twenty eleven because I think that's about right. 107 00:05:00,633 --> 00:05:01,713 Speaker 1: That feels about ran. 108 00:05:01,633 --> 00:05:03,753 Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that, and that would have been Facebook 109 00:05:03,834 --> 00:05:06,193 Speaker 4: prime time. Oh when you used to say you know 110 00:05:06,274 --> 00:05:06,834 Speaker 4: what you ate for? 111 00:05:06,914 --> 00:05:10,193 Speaker 3: Line? Yeah, God's humiliating. And anyway, so I made this album. 112 00:05:10,234 --> 00:05:11,113 Speaker 3: I really don't know why. 113 00:05:11,113 --> 00:05:14,113 Speaker 4: I was procrastinating, probably and it was kind of funny 114 00:05:14,193 --> 00:05:16,314 Speaker 4: and people laughed and commented, and then maybe I did 115 00:05:16,354 --> 00:05:17,154 Speaker 4: one more and then. 116 00:05:17,034 --> 00:05:19,354 Speaker 1: I had you started an account as fashion Crew. 117 00:05:19,474 --> 00:05:21,633 Speaker 3: Not at this point it was just on my personal. 118 00:05:21,354 --> 00:05:25,594 Speaker 4: Page and then gunder correct and then I thought, oh, 119 00:05:25,633 --> 00:05:27,594 Speaker 4: I'll make a page, you know, because. 120 00:05:27,313 --> 00:05:29,433 Speaker 1: That was also like very exit to have a page. 121 00:05:29,474 --> 00:05:31,793 Speaker 4: So I made a page and I called it fashion creticon. 122 00:05:32,073 --> 00:05:34,674 Speaker 4: Zero thought was put into the name of that, and 123 00:05:34,714 --> 00:05:37,353 Speaker 4: then I started putting them on the page because I thought, 124 00:05:37,834 --> 00:05:40,873 Speaker 4: I don't really want it to impact on me professionally 125 00:05:40,914 --> 00:05:42,033 Speaker 4: in my street sweeping career. 126 00:05:42,193 --> 00:05:42,354 Speaker 1: Yees. 127 00:05:42,594 --> 00:05:44,354 Speaker 4: So I made a page and it got to the 128 00:05:44,354 --> 00:05:47,433 Speaker 4: point where I thought, I think I'm onto something here 129 00:05:47,433 --> 00:05:50,754 Speaker 4: because I had two hundred followers, and I promise you, 130 00:05:50,953 --> 00:05:54,393 Speaker 4: I thought this is really something like, I've got something here. 131 00:05:54,794 --> 00:05:55,113 Speaker 3: I guess. 132 00:05:55,154 --> 00:05:57,354 Speaker 4: I just kept doing it, and you know, it was 133 00:05:57,354 --> 00:05:59,914 Speaker 4: a very slow burn when you consider that it's fourteen 134 00:05:59,953 --> 00:06:00,433 Speaker 4: years later. 135 00:06:00,674 --> 00:06:03,353 Speaker 2: Wow, and you're still on Facebook. You've got like three 136 00:06:03,433 --> 00:06:04,993 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand. 137 00:06:04,753 --> 00:06:06,194 Speaker 3: Peace something like that. I think it's three hundred and 138 00:06:06,193 --> 00:06:06,873 Speaker 3: twenty five or something. 139 00:06:07,113 --> 00:06:09,593 Speaker 1: Sorry, at about one hundred and twenty on Instagram. 140 00:06:09,193 --> 00:06:10,473 Speaker 3: One hundred and thirty. 141 00:06:10,674 --> 00:06:13,674 Speaker 2: Oh actually a dare ye your book launch? We'll get there, 142 00:06:13,714 --> 00:06:15,354 Speaker 2: yeah wow. And so it just took off from there. 143 00:06:15,633 --> 00:06:18,433 Speaker 4: Well yeah, I guess it just kind of grew every 144 00:06:18,433 --> 00:06:20,433 Speaker 4: time I'd post an album and people are very funny 145 00:06:20,474 --> 00:06:21,473 Speaker 4: in their comments as well. 146 00:06:21,674 --> 00:06:23,513 Speaker 3: And I've never promoted it. 147 00:06:23,513 --> 00:06:25,794 Speaker 4: It's always been something that you know, maybe someone would 148 00:06:25,834 --> 00:06:27,993 Speaker 4: tag a friend or I think what I wanted to 149 00:06:27,993 --> 00:06:29,993 Speaker 4: make sure is that anybody who was on there kind 150 00:06:30,034 --> 00:06:32,354 Speaker 4: of was there because they got the humor and they 151 00:06:32,354 --> 00:06:33,154 Speaker 4: found it funny. 152 00:06:33,234 --> 00:06:35,273 Speaker 3: I never did any of that. You know, Tiger Friend 153 00:06:35,393 --> 00:06:37,234 Speaker 3: or you know us A competition. 154 00:06:36,993 --> 00:06:38,194 Speaker 1: Wasn't really a thing back then. 155 00:06:38,753 --> 00:06:40,954 Speaker 3: It became a thing. It did become a thing. And yeah, 156 00:06:40,953 --> 00:06:41,514 Speaker 3: and what. 157 00:06:41,553 --> 00:06:46,113 Speaker 2: It's now, twenty twenty five, I think that interestingly, in 158 00:06:46,113 --> 00:06:48,474 Speaker 2: a world where we actually need a bit more lighthearted humor, 159 00:06:48,714 --> 00:06:51,154 Speaker 2: you can really cop it for using Jess, have you 160 00:06:51,193 --> 00:06:53,274 Speaker 2: found the tide has changed it all? With your Commentary's 161 00:06:53,274 --> 00:06:56,674 Speaker 2: always been very witty, I think, very innocent, really fun. 162 00:06:56,834 --> 00:06:58,993 Speaker 2: But have people changed from then to now that like 163 00:06:59,274 --> 00:06:59,954 Speaker 2: you can't say that? 164 00:07:00,193 --> 00:07:04,234 Speaker 4: I think actually I get less criticism now because I 165 00:07:04,274 --> 00:07:08,594 Speaker 4: think I'm better at being funny and satirical without being 166 00:07:09,073 --> 00:07:09,914 Speaker 4: super savage. 167 00:07:10,154 --> 00:07:10,914 Speaker 3: In the beginning, it. 168 00:07:10,874 --> 00:07:13,634 Speaker 1: Was just savage out of my favorite day. 169 00:07:13,794 --> 00:07:16,114 Speaker 4: Yeah it could be savage because like most of the 170 00:07:16,114 --> 00:07:18,833 Speaker 4: people on there are new and it was just like 171 00:07:19,034 --> 00:07:22,114 Speaker 4: kind of like the group chat with your best ears where. 172 00:07:21,953 --> 00:07:24,234 Speaker 1: You didn't really forward things on then and yeah. 173 00:07:24,393 --> 00:07:26,514 Speaker 3: Yeah so but at a time, but it was a 174 00:07:26,514 --> 00:07:26,954 Speaker 3: different time. 175 00:07:26,994 --> 00:07:28,874 Speaker 4: One hundred percent the things that you could get away 176 00:07:28,874 --> 00:07:31,714 Speaker 4: with and I think the landscape of what's acceptable and 177 00:07:31,714 --> 00:07:36,514 Speaker 4: what's not has changed quite rapidly over time. Kerry Anne Kenney, 178 00:07:36,953 --> 00:07:39,913 Speaker 4: the Icon, attended my book launch in Sydney last week 179 00:07:39,994 --> 00:07:43,354 Speaker 4: and she got me to sign her book, and I wanted. 180 00:07:43,194 --> 00:07:44,593 Speaker 1: And she brought her book for you to say. 181 00:07:44,674 --> 00:07:46,074 Speaker 3: She bought one on the night and she asked me 182 00:07:46,154 --> 00:07:46,514 Speaker 3: to sign it. 183 00:07:46,554 --> 00:07:48,594 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry your book. I thought she brought her 184 00:07:48,594 --> 00:07:49,994 Speaker 1: own book, like I wrote this book. 185 00:07:51,274 --> 00:07:53,713 Speaker 3: Now, actually I have written a book. So she she 186 00:07:53,794 --> 00:07:54,354 Speaker 3: got me to. 187 00:07:54,354 --> 00:07:57,194 Speaker 4: Sign my book and I wanted very much for her 188 00:07:57,194 --> 00:07:58,994 Speaker 4: to sign my boobs, but I chickened out. 189 00:07:59,674 --> 00:08:00,914 Speaker 3: But she said to me, you. 190 00:08:00,794 --> 00:08:03,473 Speaker 4: Know, don't go too soft. You know, you've got to 191 00:08:03,474 --> 00:08:05,994 Speaker 4: be like Joan Rivers. You've got to very Jones. Well 192 00:08:06,114 --> 00:08:08,754 Speaker 4: she's away ever going to be Joone Rivers anyway. Oh yeah, 193 00:08:08,834 --> 00:08:10,794 Speaker 4: it has changed and I have changed with it. And 194 00:08:10,834 --> 00:08:13,754 Speaker 4: I think that's your responsibility as someone I don't think 195 00:08:13,794 --> 00:08:16,674 Speaker 4: of it myself as someone who's necessarily an expert on fashion. 196 00:08:16,914 --> 00:08:17,834 Speaker 1: I really median. 197 00:08:17,994 --> 00:08:18,914 Speaker 3: I like to make people laugh. 198 00:08:18,953 --> 00:08:20,394 Speaker 1: You're a chameleon, yeah. 199 00:08:20,194 --> 00:08:22,874 Speaker 4: So I think that you have to be able to 200 00:08:23,034 --> 00:08:24,434 Speaker 4: be fluid with the times. 201 00:08:24,634 --> 00:08:27,314 Speaker 2: Well, I was incredibly disappointed that I had to message 202 00:08:27,314 --> 00:08:29,234 Speaker 2: you the morning of the book launch and I couldn't 203 00:08:29,234 --> 00:08:32,714 Speaker 2: come because I had been to Spotlight. I didn't use 204 00:08:32,754 --> 00:08:35,434 Speaker 2: m chnomi, but I'd bought four meters of red velvet 205 00:08:35,434 --> 00:08:36,833 Speaker 2: and I was going to put it over myself and 206 00:08:36,874 --> 00:08:37,354 Speaker 2: God as there. 207 00:08:37,554 --> 00:08:38,473 Speaker 3: How are you going to do that? 208 00:08:38,754 --> 00:08:39,514 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. 209 00:08:39,874 --> 00:08:41,354 Speaker 3: I hasn't been worked out yet. 210 00:08:41,394 --> 00:08:44,354 Speaker 1: I was just gonna cut to the lialse literally. 211 00:08:44,034 --> 00:08:44,634 Speaker 3: Like a ghost. 212 00:08:44,994 --> 00:08:48,274 Speaker 4: I would have collapsed with joy and happiness. Maybe next time, 213 00:08:48,314 --> 00:08:49,954 Speaker 4: maybe that to be your Halloween costume. 214 00:08:50,034 --> 00:09:00,474 Speaker 1: Oh, it's a great idea. Okay. 215 00:09:00,514 --> 00:09:03,314 Speaker 2: So you use some colorful terms to illustrate your thoughts 216 00:09:03,314 --> 00:09:06,234 Speaker 2: and feelings, and I feel like most of your audience 217 00:09:06,754 --> 00:09:09,634 Speaker 2: no now what they are and what they mean and 218 00:09:09,634 --> 00:09:11,834 Speaker 2: how they started. But there's some people that might not 219 00:09:11,914 --> 00:09:14,833 Speaker 2: be across your fantastic colorful language. So I'm going to 220 00:09:14,954 --> 00:09:16,514 Speaker 2: name a few of them, and then you're gonna tell 221 00:09:16,554 --> 00:09:16,994 Speaker 2: me what they mean. 222 00:09:17,034 --> 00:09:20,594 Speaker 1: Okay, should have caught the bus, So should. 223 00:09:20,274 --> 00:09:23,954 Speaker 4: Have caught the bus means you've got creasing on your garment, 224 00:09:24,154 --> 00:09:27,114 Speaker 4: usually in the sitting area, which is another term which I. 225 00:09:27,154 --> 00:09:28,274 Speaker 3: Photo was crotch whiskers. 226 00:09:28,354 --> 00:09:29,194 Speaker 1: Well, that was on the list. 227 00:09:29,314 --> 00:09:31,594 Speaker 3: Yeah, so these two are inextricably linked. 228 00:09:31,714 --> 00:09:34,914 Speaker 4: So if you have crotch whiskers, it is typically because 229 00:09:34,914 --> 00:09:37,394 Speaker 4: you arrived at the event sitting down in a cab 230 00:09:37,594 --> 00:09:39,554 Speaker 4: or a car or a limo or whatever, which is 231 00:09:39,674 --> 00:09:43,514 Speaker 4: typically how people would arrive at red carpets. And once 232 00:09:43,594 --> 00:09:45,714 Speaker 4: upon a time, I think it was twenty ten, Cape 233 00:09:45,714 --> 00:09:48,754 Speaker 4: Blanchette caught a public bus to the Actor Awards here 234 00:09:48,754 --> 00:09:52,474 Speaker 4: in Sydney because she was wearing a silk gown. Some 235 00:09:52,554 --> 00:09:55,554 Speaker 4: fabrics don't crease a lot, and some creased terribly. So 236 00:09:55,594 --> 00:09:57,514 Speaker 4: she was wearing a silk or a satin sort of 237 00:09:57,554 --> 00:09:59,914 Speaker 4: type gown and she just took a photo on her 238 00:09:59,914 --> 00:10:02,074 Speaker 4: Instagram of her literally standing up holding onto a pole 239 00:10:02,114 --> 00:10:02,314 Speaker 4: on a. 240 00:10:02,314 --> 00:10:03,674 Speaker 3: Sydney Metro bus. 241 00:10:03,674 --> 00:10:05,034 Speaker 1: A boss, so boss. 242 00:10:05,314 --> 00:10:06,994 Speaker 4: Ever since then, I was like, if I saw someone 243 00:10:06,994 --> 00:10:08,554 Speaker 4: with the creased out that, I'd say it should have 244 00:10:08,594 --> 00:10:11,034 Speaker 4: caught the bus, you know, that would have solved that problem. 245 00:10:11,274 --> 00:10:14,314 Speaker 4: And now they do catch the bus. They go in 246 00:10:14,394 --> 00:10:15,194 Speaker 4: big tall van. 247 00:10:15,354 --> 00:10:17,114 Speaker 2: Yes, like Kim Kardashian when she had that course that 248 00:10:17,194 --> 00:10:18,834 Speaker 2: she had to go in a standing van because they. 249 00:10:18,754 --> 00:10:20,634 Speaker 4: All do it now, they all do it. They stand 250 00:10:20,714 --> 00:10:22,314 Speaker 4: up and they hold onto the pole. It's not very 251 00:10:22,314 --> 00:10:24,074 Speaker 4: safe because there's no seat belts on. 252 00:10:24,354 --> 00:10:25,034 Speaker 1: It's America. 253 00:10:25,234 --> 00:10:29,034 Speaker 4: They don't care, or they lie stitchers aboard on the 254 00:10:29,034 --> 00:10:29,554 Speaker 4: back seat. 255 00:10:29,954 --> 00:10:32,794 Speaker 1: I like to think I could get fashion critical vans. 256 00:10:32,794 --> 00:10:36,234 Speaker 3: That I could make my next career, yes, my third career. 257 00:10:36,314 --> 00:10:39,474 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, forget street sweeping, street moving people in dresses. 258 00:10:39,514 --> 00:10:42,554 Speaker 3: I could do both. The van could have street sweepers 259 00:10:42,554 --> 00:10:43,354 Speaker 3: on the bottom. 260 00:10:43,714 --> 00:10:45,554 Speaker 1: This is genius. So crotch whiskers. 261 00:10:45,594 --> 00:10:47,634 Speaker 2: That explains when I first saw that, I thought it 262 00:10:47,634 --> 00:10:49,234 Speaker 2: mean like I remember those jeans we used to buy 263 00:10:49,314 --> 00:10:51,194 Speaker 2: that just had the fake wrinkles that it. 264 00:10:51,154 --> 00:10:53,994 Speaker 3: Was just like the mate they're coming back, have you seen? 265 00:10:54,154 --> 00:10:56,994 Speaker 2: Yes, but we're not worry But you know Keith Urban, 266 00:10:57,034 --> 00:10:59,233 Speaker 2: I feel like he wears crotch whisker jeans. 267 00:10:59,634 --> 00:11:00,114 Speaker 3: Yeah. 268 00:11:00,114 --> 00:11:03,834 Speaker 1: That checks Okay, it checks out. Toes toes toes. 269 00:11:04,314 --> 00:11:06,274 Speaker 3: By the way, there is a glossary of terms at 270 00:11:06,274 --> 00:11:06,834 Speaker 3: the front. 271 00:11:06,594 --> 00:11:08,514 Speaker 1: Of my book, So I'm about to get to your book. 272 00:11:08,554 --> 00:11:13,474 Speaker 3: You will not be lost and confused. So toes. 273 00:11:13,754 --> 00:11:16,434 Speaker 4: Everybody has them. I'm not here to toe shame anyone. 274 00:11:17,034 --> 00:11:18,314 Speaker 4: You know, you can't help it that. 275 00:11:18,314 --> 00:11:20,674 Speaker 3: You've got ten little piggly wigglies down there. 276 00:11:20,714 --> 00:11:23,953 Speaker 4: But what I am looking for is if I am 277 00:11:24,114 --> 00:11:27,074 Speaker 4: noticing your toes, this is not good. 278 00:11:27,674 --> 00:11:28,634 Speaker 3: I don't want. 279 00:11:28,394 --> 00:11:31,874 Speaker 4: Them to be detracting attention from the overall look. So 280 00:11:32,034 --> 00:11:33,994 Speaker 4: there's a couple of ways that they will do this, 281 00:11:34,194 --> 00:11:37,354 Speaker 4: and sometimes despite your best efforts, it will happen. So 282 00:11:37,394 --> 00:11:39,314 Speaker 4: if you're wearing a very high heel and it's not 283 00:11:39,434 --> 00:11:41,914 Speaker 4: a really great fit, like it's a little bit big, 284 00:11:42,234 --> 00:11:44,314 Speaker 4: your toes are going to splay out the front like 285 00:11:44,314 --> 00:11:45,713 Speaker 4: it's not narrow enough. 286 00:11:46,154 --> 00:11:47,234 Speaker 1: Or hang over the edge. 287 00:11:47,474 --> 00:11:50,074 Speaker 4: Yeah, they can actually make contact with the carpet, which 288 00:11:50,154 --> 00:11:52,714 Speaker 4: we don't want that, or your shoes too small, and 289 00:11:52,714 --> 00:11:54,714 Speaker 4: then you see them all like folded up. 290 00:11:54,794 --> 00:11:56,994 Speaker 2: Can I ask what about genetically if someone doesn't have 291 00:11:57,074 --> 00:11:59,634 Speaker 2: big toe to little toe, what if they're just born 292 00:11:59,714 --> 00:12:01,354 Speaker 2: with like a long middle toe. 293 00:12:01,554 --> 00:12:06,154 Speaker 4: Well that's something you have to reckon with as a person, 294 00:12:06,674 --> 00:12:09,954 Speaker 4: so correct you can just wear a closed toe shoe. 295 00:12:10,114 --> 00:12:13,114 Speaker 3: So there's nothing wrong with toes, you know, I don't. 296 00:12:12,914 --> 00:12:14,794 Speaker 4: Know if you've ever broken a toe, if you've ever 297 00:12:14,794 --> 00:12:16,754 Speaker 4: broken a pinky til you literally can't walk, you need 298 00:12:16,834 --> 00:12:21,074 Speaker 4: all ten of them. So I'm not here to shame toes. 299 00:12:21,434 --> 00:12:23,554 Speaker 4: But if you are an A list celebrity on the 300 00:12:23,554 --> 00:12:27,154 Speaker 4: red carpet. I don't want to be really noticing your toes, 301 00:12:27,394 --> 00:12:29,354 Speaker 4: So a closed toe shoe or just a shoe that 302 00:12:29,394 --> 00:12:31,194 Speaker 4: fits and paint your toeels. 303 00:12:31,634 --> 00:12:33,594 Speaker 2: Bob's youre, I am so glad I changed into these 304 00:12:33,594 --> 00:12:35,514 Speaker 2: shoes right before you got here, bog. 305 00:12:36,034 --> 00:12:37,634 Speaker 3: Best on ground Best on ground. 306 00:12:37,794 --> 00:12:40,953 Speaker 4: Now, that's a very Victorian term that they use in 307 00:12:40,994 --> 00:12:44,634 Speaker 4: the AFL, which I think every game somebody is awarded 308 00:12:44,674 --> 00:12:46,994 Speaker 4: best on ground, which I guess means the best player 309 00:12:47,074 --> 00:12:49,594 Speaker 4: of the match. Yeah, we don't care about fair, We 310 00:12:49,754 --> 00:12:52,194 Speaker 4: just care about who looks good. So best on ground 311 00:12:52,274 --> 00:12:55,194 Speaker 4: will be whoever I dm at that event to be 312 00:12:55,594 --> 00:12:57,754 Speaker 4: the best dressed person. And there's a few things that 313 00:12:57,794 --> 00:13:01,154 Speaker 4: will influence that. It's not the same criteria for every 314 00:13:01,154 --> 00:13:04,034 Speaker 4: red carpet. So what someone is wearing at the Grammys 315 00:13:04,114 --> 00:13:06,674 Speaker 4: or the VMA Awards obviously has a separate set of 316 00:13:06,714 --> 00:13:08,594 Speaker 4: criteria to someone It can't. 317 00:13:08,954 --> 00:13:10,674 Speaker 2: So the met Gala, like if they just go in 318 00:13:10,674 --> 00:13:12,994 Speaker 2: a boring dress, they haven't played correct. 319 00:13:13,274 --> 00:13:16,434 Speaker 4: And on that note, you know, people get very very 320 00:13:16,434 --> 00:13:18,674 Speaker 4: excited about the Oscars red carpet and they say it's 321 00:13:18,674 --> 00:13:22,354 Speaker 4: it's fashion critical Christmas, it's actually very dull because people 322 00:13:22,434 --> 00:13:25,714 Speaker 4: are so perfectly put together and nobody takes risks at 323 00:13:25,714 --> 00:13:27,874 Speaker 4: the Oscars. It's very very formal, so you have a 324 00:13:27,874 --> 00:13:29,114 Speaker 4: lot more fun at the you know, it's something like 325 00:13:29,154 --> 00:13:29,874 Speaker 4: the Golden Globe. 326 00:13:29,914 --> 00:13:31,354 Speaker 1: Yes, Grammys are good. 327 00:13:31,394 --> 00:13:34,754 Speaker 4: Grammy's are epic. Yeah, you know, anything goes, anything goes. 328 00:13:34,794 --> 00:13:37,274 Speaker 2: What about Australia here with our football awards, That's all 329 00:13:37,274 --> 00:13:38,074 Speaker 2: I can think that we do. 330 00:13:38,314 --> 00:13:41,234 Speaker 3: Yeah, the brown Low, We've got the Logis. Of course. 331 00:13:41,394 --> 00:13:44,474 Speaker 4: Now, back in the day, fashion critical would have a 332 00:13:44,514 --> 00:13:47,914 Speaker 4: marvelous time at the Logis because people would wear all 333 00:13:48,034 --> 00:13:48,794 Speaker 4: kinds of things. 334 00:13:49,354 --> 00:13:53,194 Speaker 3: And now everyone looks pretty good. So it is. 335 00:13:53,354 --> 00:13:54,914 Speaker 2: I did the Logans red carpet once when I was 336 00:13:54,914 --> 00:13:56,034 Speaker 2: at cost one hundred years ago. 337 00:13:56,034 --> 00:13:57,434 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you weren't there then. 338 00:13:57,794 --> 00:13:58,514 Speaker 3: Yeah it was. 339 00:13:58,634 --> 00:14:00,434 Speaker 1: It was a zimmm and dress off a friend. 340 00:14:00,594 --> 00:14:02,194 Speaker 3: But that's what people did, like. 341 00:14:02,274 --> 00:14:05,754 Speaker 4: They did not have stylists, they didn't have whole style teams. 342 00:14:05,794 --> 00:14:08,514 Speaker 4: You see Australian celebrities or the wags and you know 343 00:14:08,554 --> 00:14:10,834 Speaker 4: the amount of people that they thank in their Instagram posts. 344 00:14:10,834 --> 00:14:13,314 Speaker 4: There's a lot of people working to put that look 345 00:14:13,354 --> 00:14:14,474 Speaker 4: together and. 346 00:14:14,434 --> 00:14:16,514 Speaker 1: So Tuesday night. Let alone. The logi is there. 347 00:14:16,594 --> 00:14:18,314 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so the stylists might have been, you know, 348 00:14:18,354 --> 00:14:20,154 Speaker 4: putting that output together for a couple of weeks or 349 00:14:20,274 --> 00:14:24,874 Speaker 4: even longer. So they actually scrub up really well and 350 00:14:24,874 --> 00:14:26,474 Speaker 4: everyone looks good, good, but boring. 351 00:14:26,594 --> 00:14:27,154 Speaker 3: It is sad. 352 00:14:27,274 --> 00:14:30,594 Speaker 4: Yes, it's limiting for me and my humorous whips. 353 00:14:30,714 --> 00:14:32,874 Speaker 1: You manage it, Okay, a few more do your hair? 354 00:14:33,274 --> 00:14:33,874 Speaker 3: Do your hair. 355 00:14:34,474 --> 00:14:36,674 Speaker 4: You'll be surprised to learn that that just means what 356 00:14:36,714 --> 00:14:39,074 Speaker 4: it says. It just looks like the person hasn't done their. 357 00:14:38,954 --> 00:14:41,394 Speaker 2: Hair, but because they're wearing such a fancy dress and 358 00:14:41,434 --> 00:14:43,314 Speaker 2: they just want that editorial bend. 359 00:14:43,714 --> 00:14:47,234 Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's fine, that's done. I'm talking about you'll 360 00:14:47,234 --> 00:14:49,114 Speaker 4: see in my book. You'll see what classifies as do 361 00:14:49,194 --> 00:14:49,474 Speaker 4: your hair. 362 00:14:49,514 --> 00:14:50,074 Speaker 3: It's in there. 363 00:14:50,194 --> 00:14:52,994 Speaker 4: There's section on hair and nails and accessories and all 364 00:14:53,034 --> 00:14:54,234 Speaker 4: the little extra touches. 365 00:14:54,354 --> 00:14:56,754 Speaker 3: So I'm talking about the wet look. It's not for me. 366 00:14:57,354 --> 00:14:58,754 Speaker 3: It's not for me. The wet look hair where you 367 00:14:58,754 --> 00:15:00,354 Speaker 3: look like you've just stepped out of the shower or 368 00:15:00,354 --> 00:15:01,434 Speaker 3: it's just like a hot mess. 369 00:15:01,434 --> 00:15:04,514 Speaker 2: Ever, what a wet looks slipped back high pony, Oh, 370 00:15:04,554 --> 00:15:05,194 Speaker 2: that's stunning. 371 00:15:05,314 --> 00:15:07,914 Speaker 3: Okay, but it we look out look like you did 372 00:15:07,914 --> 00:15:08,234 Speaker 3: your hair. 373 00:15:08,314 --> 00:15:08,914 Speaker 1: Okay, I like it. 374 00:15:09,194 --> 00:15:11,794 Speaker 3: Fraggle okay, so you know all the like, I guess 375 00:15:11,834 --> 00:15:14,354 Speaker 3: it's ostrich feathers that you see on dresses is very 376 00:15:14,434 --> 00:15:15,074 Speaker 3: very common on. 377 00:15:14,994 --> 00:15:15,674 Speaker 1: The Red Carpet. 378 00:15:16,834 --> 00:15:20,274 Speaker 3: Correct, they look like deceased fraggles and so bad. 379 00:15:20,274 --> 00:15:21,914 Speaker 1: People that are younger than us might not know what 380 00:15:22,074 --> 00:15:22,594 Speaker 1: fraggles are. 381 00:15:23,434 --> 00:15:24,834 Speaker 3: They're like muppet cousins. 382 00:15:24,994 --> 00:15:29,554 Speaker 4: Yes, and they're very fluffy, weird, fluffy little fellows. And 383 00:15:29,594 --> 00:15:32,274 Speaker 4: so when I see people wearing those feathers, I will 384 00:15:32,314 --> 00:15:35,234 Speaker 4: always call them out for fragle abuse or fraggle carnage. 385 00:15:35,594 --> 00:15:38,194 Speaker 4: Fraggles are ubiquitous with the Red Carpet, sadly so. 386 00:15:38,114 --> 00:15:40,274 Speaker 3: That they are in peril. Their numbers are way down. 387 00:15:40,394 --> 00:15:43,674 Speaker 2: Oh, they're probably in dangered. Last one here, accessori has 388 00:15:43,674 --> 00:15:45,674 Speaker 2: gone wild. I'm assuming that's human accessories. 389 00:15:45,714 --> 00:15:48,634 Speaker 4: How you style your outfit And for those playing at home, 390 00:15:48,634 --> 00:15:51,074 Speaker 4: probably people that listen to this podcast know things about fashion, 391 00:15:51,354 --> 00:15:54,354 Speaker 4: but the styling refers to how you put together. So 392 00:15:54,394 --> 00:15:56,754 Speaker 4: you've got a dress, and then how do you make 393 00:15:56,834 --> 00:15:59,474 Speaker 4: that whole? You know, how do you make the whole look? 394 00:15:59,554 --> 00:16:02,234 Speaker 4: So you know, your choice of accessories is definitely part 395 00:16:02,274 --> 00:16:05,834 Speaker 4: of that. And so, for example, at my book launch 396 00:16:05,994 --> 00:16:08,674 Speaker 4: last week, I wore a magnificent dress and I had 397 00:16:08,714 --> 00:16:12,074 Speaker 4: quite an elaborate piece of like millinery that was made 398 00:16:12,154 --> 00:16:14,994 Speaker 4: for me by an amazing millinaire who has a millinery 399 00:16:15,354 --> 00:16:17,394 Speaker 4: company called Somewhere Millinery. 400 00:16:18,314 --> 00:16:20,394 Speaker 1: They make head pieces, make head pieces, and. 401 00:16:20,394 --> 00:16:21,794 Speaker 4: There was a lot going on. I didn't wear a 402 00:16:21,834 --> 00:16:25,034 Speaker 4: single piece of jaw. So that was a choice I 403 00:16:25,074 --> 00:16:26,754 Speaker 4: made where I like, I tried it on earrings. I 404 00:16:26,754 --> 00:16:28,914 Speaker 4: tried on rings, and I tried a necklace, and then 405 00:16:28,954 --> 00:16:31,954 Speaker 4: I was like, I actually think it's beautiful just as 406 00:16:31,954 --> 00:16:34,234 Speaker 4: it is. But then there's other cases where you might 407 00:16:34,274 --> 00:16:35,994 Speaker 4: be wearing like quite a simple black dress and then 408 00:16:36,034 --> 00:16:37,874 Speaker 4: you can put a lot with it and it looks 409 00:16:37,954 --> 00:16:38,514 Speaker 4: really really cool. 410 00:16:38,514 --> 00:16:41,034 Speaker 2: And sometimes they haven't really thought about it all in 411 00:16:41,074 --> 00:16:43,754 Speaker 2: one or they're getting paid a million dollars by a 412 00:16:43,794 --> 00:16:46,194 Speaker 2: fancy so and so to be dropping in something correct. 413 00:16:46,234 --> 00:16:47,874 Speaker 4: And if you want to pay me to wear a 414 00:16:47,954 --> 00:16:49,434 Speaker 4: thousand accessories, I'll do it. 415 00:16:49,914 --> 00:16:50,514 Speaker 1: I'll do it. 416 00:16:50,674 --> 00:16:52,954 Speaker 2: Levisa, come out it all right. Have you ever had 417 00:16:52,954 --> 00:16:56,194 Speaker 2: a reply or any discourse from a celebrity or person 418 00:16:56,234 --> 00:16:57,714 Speaker 2: that you've commented on. 419 00:16:57,874 --> 00:17:01,754 Speaker 4: Yes, so you know if it's positive, they'll often share it. 420 00:17:01,794 --> 00:17:03,434 Speaker 4: They'll often say thank you so much. Oh, I was 421 00:17:03,794 --> 00:17:07,073 Speaker 4: so nervous about what you would say. And I find that, Hilaire, 422 00:17:07,394 --> 00:17:11,514 Speaker 4: because literally, who am I but a lowly street sweeper. 423 00:17:11,794 --> 00:17:15,273 Speaker 3: So if it's positive, they're very positive. And then I 424 00:17:15,314 --> 00:17:17,434 Speaker 3: have had people like David Kosh. 425 00:17:17,474 --> 00:17:20,474 Speaker 4: Who you know, is the finance guy I've often made 426 00:17:20,474 --> 00:17:22,794 Speaker 4: who used to be on TV. I will often make 427 00:17:22,954 --> 00:17:25,194 Speaker 4: a joke if someone looks very kind of business like 428 00:17:25,274 --> 00:17:28,154 Speaker 4: that you know that he was styled by David Kosh, 429 00:17:28,194 --> 00:17:30,273 Speaker 4: and I'll tag him and he loves it. He's got 430 00:17:30,314 --> 00:17:32,394 Speaker 4: such a good at sense in him. He'll always reshare it. 431 00:17:32,714 --> 00:17:33,834 Speaker 4: I invited him to my launch. 432 00:17:33,834 --> 00:17:34,313 Speaker 3: He couldn't come. 433 00:17:34,354 --> 00:17:36,273 Speaker 4: He said it was devastating, like he's such a good sport, 434 00:17:36,354 --> 00:17:39,754 Speaker 4: you know. So there's definitely people who get it. There's 435 00:17:39,754 --> 00:17:41,714 Speaker 4: people who've reached out to me and said, do your 436 00:17:41,754 --> 00:17:43,794 Speaker 4: worst with me. Here's me at the logos, here's me 437 00:17:43,834 --> 00:17:46,994 Speaker 4: at the aris, like you know, usually usually people who 438 00:17:47,034 --> 00:17:49,594 Speaker 4: are finding themselves, like Joel Creasy or m Russiano or 439 00:17:49,634 --> 00:17:50,073 Speaker 4: something like that. 440 00:17:50,594 --> 00:17:54,714 Speaker 3: So that's good fun. Yes, So this is a fun story. 441 00:17:54,994 --> 00:17:56,154 Speaker 3: It was quite recent. 442 00:17:56,754 --> 00:17:58,793 Speaker 4: I think I did a little red carpet for a 443 00:17:58,834 --> 00:18:02,154 Speaker 4: play that I was invited to, and Todd McKinney was there. 444 00:18:02,234 --> 00:18:05,594 Speaker 4: We haven't seen him yea quite a while, and he 445 00:18:05,674 --> 00:18:08,634 Speaker 4: was just in a plain blue seat. And I said 446 00:18:08,634 --> 00:18:10,794 Speaker 4: that he had been styled by the David Kosh School 447 00:18:10,834 --> 00:18:14,834 Speaker 4: of Finance, and once again, David Kosh thought that was 448 00:18:14,874 --> 00:18:16,874 Speaker 4: funny and shared it. And Todd mc kenny DMed me 449 00:18:17,354 --> 00:18:19,514 Speaker 4: and he said, I had to go to a restaurant 450 00:18:19,514 --> 00:18:21,834 Speaker 4: and there was you know, requirement for a jacket and tie. 451 00:18:21,874 --> 00:18:24,034 Speaker 3: And I came straight from the restaurant and I. 452 00:18:24,074 --> 00:18:28,114 Speaker 4: Said, cool, Brah, it's all in good fun, like we're 453 00:18:28,154 --> 00:18:29,914 Speaker 4: all having a laugh. Anyway, I didn't hear back. You know, 454 00:18:29,954 --> 00:18:32,074 Speaker 4: if you've not seen it before, it does sound you know. 455 00:18:32,154 --> 00:18:33,994 Speaker 4: I think when you followed the page you get that 456 00:18:34,034 --> 00:18:37,034 Speaker 4: it's kind of funny and it's done in an affectionate way. 457 00:18:37,074 --> 00:18:38,234 Speaker 3: But he didn't care for it. 458 00:18:38,314 --> 00:18:40,553 Speaker 4: And as I have said before, if you were styled 459 00:18:40,554 --> 00:18:42,954 Speaker 4: by the David Kosh School of Finance, you're probably wearing 460 00:18:42,994 --> 00:18:44,114 Speaker 4: a really expensive suit. 461 00:18:44,154 --> 00:18:45,874 Speaker 1: It's not a terrible thing. It's safe. 462 00:18:46,034 --> 00:18:46,553 Speaker 3: I agree. 463 00:18:46,674 --> 00:18:46,994 Speaker 1: Boring. 464 00:18:47,034 --> 00:18:49,714 Speaker 2: It sounds like yeah, Graham from accounts, but it's not terrible. 465 00:18:49,754 --> 00:18:51,514 Speaker 3: It probably costs a lot of money, so. 466 00:18:51,514 --> 00:18:52,754 Speaker 1: It might be tailored to own that. 467 00:18:53,314 --> 00:18:56,914 Speaker 2: What's the best red carpet event overall in terms of 468 00:18:57,394 --> 00:18:59,674 Speaker 2: attendees getting it right? I guess it's hard to answer 469 00:18:59,674 --> 00:19:01,394 Speaker 2: because you just said sometimes getting it right it's boring. 470 00:19:01,834 --> 00:19:05,754 Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, any of the major events I think are 471 00:19:05,794 --> 00:19:10,954 Speaker 4: always amazing. So the Emmys, the Golden Globes, the Oscars, 472 00:19:11,434 --> 00:19:13,474 Speaker 4: they're always which. 473 00:19:13,314 --> 00:19:15,474 Speaker 2: Is good but bad because it's not so much fun, right, 474 00:19:15,674 --> 00:19:17,954 Speaker 2: rageous and great to commentate, And there's a lot of 475 00:19:17,994 --> 00:19:18,714 Speaker 2: good and bad. 476 00:19:19,114 --> 00:19:22,154 Speaker 4: Well, I think if you go to a music awards, 477 00:19:22,274 --> 00:19:25,194 Speaker 4: as we talked about the Grammys the American Music Awards, 478 00:19:25,474 --> 00:19:27,994 Speaker 4: you get some people who have gone quite formal and 479 00:19:28,074 --> 00:19:30,513 Speaker 4: quite elegant, and then you get you know, artists who've 480 00:19:30,514 --> 00:19:33,154 Speaker 4: gone and won something absolutely bananas. 481 00:19:33,194 --> 00:19:34,234 Speaker 3: You know, something. 482 00:19:33,954 --> 00:19:36,394 Speaker 1: Absolutely maybe bananas like actually. 483 00:19:36,194 --> 00:19:39,154 Speaker 4: Correct, So that is always super fun. Whereas if you 484 00:19:39,154 --> 00:19:42,634 Speaker 4: look at something like the MTV vs. Everybody kind of 485 00:19:42,634 --> 00:19:46,513 Speaker 4: looks a little bit wacky, but the Grammys you'll get 486 00:19:46,514 --> 00:19:48,954 Speaker 4: a mix. And then obviously something like the MAT Gala 487 00:19:49,194 --> 00:19:52,033 Speaker 4: is always just exceptional. And when we talk about the 488 00:19:52,034 --> 00:19:54,394 Speaker 4: criteria of what we're looking at, the met gala. There's 489 00:19:54,434 --> 00:19:57,074 Speaker 4: a theme, so it's very much about how have you 490 00:19:57,194 --> 00:19:59,874 Speaker 4: dressed for the theme? Interpret and I don't want to 491 00:19:59,914 --> 00:20:01,634 Speaker 4: see understated that the met gala. 492 00:20:01,794 --> 00:20:03,794 Speaker 3: I want you dressed as a. 493 00:20:03,714 --> 00:20:07,553 Speaker 4: Cat like Jared Alito did, or like carrying your you know, 494 00:20:07,554 --> 00:20:09,674 Speaker 4: he also came wearing his head in his hands. 495 00:20:09,674 --> 00:20:11,394 Speaker 1: And we need to get you to the met Gala. 496 00:20:11,554 --> 00:20:12,954 Speaker 3: I need somebody out there. 497 00:20:13,114 --> 00:20:15,674 Speaker 1: I'll make it happen. So you wrote a book. 498 00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:18,714 Speaker 2: It's pretty impressive considering the streets need sweeping and clothes 499 00:20:18,754 --> 00:20:22,954 Speaker 2: need talking about. Tell us about the book and if 500 00:20:22,994 --> 00:20:24,594 Speaker 2: anyone hasn't got it yet, already yet. 501 00:20:24,594 --> 00:20:26,514 Speaker 1: I mean it's a bit back to the Vogue thing. 502 00:20:26,514 --> 00:20:28,314 Speaker 2: Even if you don't read it, it's it's really chic, 503 00:20:28,474 --> 00:20:30,514 Speaker 2: read like you just want it to look fancy. 504 00:20:30,794 --> 00:20:33,074 Speaker 1: Yeah, but how did you write it? And what's in it? 505 00:20:33,274 --> 00:20:33,634 Speaker 3: Okay? 506 00:20:33,714 --> 00:20:36,634 Speaker 4: So I was contacted by the nice people at Murder Books. 507 00:20:36,914 --> 00:20:37,874 Speaker 1: Did you actually write it? 508 00:20:38,394 --> 00:20:38,874 Speaker 3: Of course? 509 00:20:39,714 --> 00:20:42,994 Speaker 4: Of course, I mean my followers would know immediately they 510 00:20:42,994 --> 00:20:44,234 Speaker 4: I think they said to me, if you want to 511 00:20:44,274 --> 00:20:46,874 Speaker 4: work with someone, and I said, I don't think so, 512 00:20:48,234 --> 00:20:50,074 Speaker 4: no one could replicate this wit. 513 00:20:50,514 --> 00:20:52,434 Speaker 3: So they said, we think you could write a book 514 00:20:52,514 --> 00:20:53,914 Speaker 3: and actually I had been. 515 00:20:53,794 --> 00:20:57,033 Speaker 4: Approached by it to publishers previously at other times, and 516 00:20:57,074 --> 00:20:58,874 Speaker 4: I just I just I don't know. 517 00:20:58,994 --> 00:21:00,554 Speaker 1: I just it's a big thing to do. 518 00:21:00,754 --> 00:21:01,513 Speaker 3: Well that that's it. 519 00:21:01,514 --> 00:21:03,594 Speaker 4: It's a lot of work, and I think I fashion 520 00:21:03,634 --> 00:21:06,434 Speaker 4: critical for me has always been such fun and something 521 00:21:06,514 --> 00:21:09,154 Speaker 4: that I do genuinely for my own entertainment that I 522 00:21:09,234 --> 00:21:11,874 Speaker 4: didn't like the idea of being like then it being 523 00:21:11,874 --> 00:21:12,234 Speaker 4: a job. 524 00:21:12,394 --> 00:21:14,514 Speaker 2: Yeah. It also feels very permanent in a book, where 525 00:21:14,514 --> 00:21:16,434 Speaker 2: it's like just waking up a photo and saying it's sentence. 526 00:21:16,674 --> 00:21:19,194 Speaker 4: Yeah, although you know, the internet is forever these days. 527 00:21:19,234 --> 00:21:21,474 Speaker 4: So anyway, they said, we think you could write a book, 528 00:21:21,474 --> 00:21:23,034 Speaker 4: and then I had to think about what the book 529 00:21:23,034 --> 00:21:26,754 Speaker 4: would be. So it is pretty much an overview of 530 00:21:26,874 --> 00:21:30,994 Speaker 4: red carpet celebrity fashion going back predominantly, I'd say ten 531 00:21:30,994 --> 00:21:32,914 Speaker 4: to fifteen years. You can't go too much further than 532 00:21:32,914 --> 00:21:35,114 Speaker 4: that because the pictures are not good and it's just 533 00:21:35,154 --> 00:21:38,274 Speaker 4: there's just too much content. So it's looking at everything, 534 00:21:38,314 --> 00:21:40,194 Speaker 4: you know, we go through the major events, we go through, 535 00:21:40,194 --> 00:21:42,994 Speaker 4: what are some of the red carpet trends. I distribute 536 00:21:42,994 --> 00:21:45,354 Speaker 4: my own awards. I've got my own awards that I've 537 00:21:45,394 --> 00:21:47,674 Speaker 4: given out to certain people. I look at some of 538 00:21:47,714 --> 00:21:50,353 Speaker 4: the behind the scenes things that we talked about. I 539 00:21:50,394 --> 00:21:53,354 Speaker 4: interviewed Alex Perry, who's followed a fashion critical for a 540 00:21:53,394 --> 00:21:55,714 Speaker 4: long time and was so generous to let me interview him, 541 00:21:55,714 --> 00:21:58,274 Speaker 4: to actually say, what's actually going on back there? 542 00:21:58,274 --> 00:21:59,034 Speaker 3: How does it work? 543 00:21:59,114 --> 00:22:01,194 Speaker 4: You know, if you're a designer, how do your dresses 544 00:22:01,314 --> 00:22:02,954 Speaker 4: end up on these people? Do you know that they're 545 00:22:02,954 --> 00:22:04,714 Speaker 4: going to appear or does it just suddenly. 546 00:22:04,354 --> 00:22:05,914 Speaker 1: Have a buy it? Do you pay them? 547 00:22:06,074 --> 00:22:08,234 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I got to got to ask all of 548 00:22:08,274 --> 00:22:10,234 Speaker 4: those questions that she was really cool, and then it 549 00:22:10,274 --> 00:22:12,994 Speaker 4: finishes with you know my favorite looks of all time, 550 00:22:13,074 --> 00:22:15,674 Speaker 4: the people that I think are the best dressed. And 551 00:22:15,914 --> 00:22:18,714 Speaker 4: it is lots of pictures, so if you don't want 552 00:22:18,714 --> 00:22:21,313 Speaker 4: to read too many words, you'd be very pleased. And 553 00:22:21,394 --> 00:22:24,793 Speaker 4: it kind of harks back to the glory days of magazines, 554 00:22:24,834 --> 00:22:28,514 Speaker 4: Like the design and layout of it is beautiful and yeah, 555 00:22:28,514 --> 00:22:31,234 Speaker 4: it's got a beautiful kind of faux red leather with 556 00:22:31,714 --> 00:22:34,114 Speaker 4: gold foil. So you can also just leave it sitting 557 00:22:34,114 --> 00:22:37,314 Speaker 4: on your coffee table. If you liked great Christmas. 558 00:22:37,034 --> 00:22:40,874 Speaker 2: Gift, great christmabulous, if you could dress one famous person 559 00:22:40,914 --> 00:22:41,754 Speaker 2: for the Red Carpet? 560 00:22:41,754 --> 00:22:42,474 Speaker 1: Who would it be? 561 00:22:42,834 --> 00:22:45,714 Speaker 3: Oh, that's a question I should have read beforehand. I'm 562 00:22:45,714 --> 00:22:47,634 Speaker 3: gonna come back to it. Yeah, hang on, hang on, 563 00:22:47,674 --> 00:22:49,114 Speaker 3: give me a minute, gimme a minute. Who would it be? 564 00:22:49,194 --> 00:22:52,874 Speaker 3: Who would it be? I think I'd like to dress Heidi. 565 00:22:52,674 --> 00:22:55,194 Speaker 1: Klum Oh, and why. 566 00:22:55,034 --> 00:22:59,314 Speaker 4: Because she is so beautiful but her she wins the 567 00:22:59,394 --> 00:23:01,273 Speaker 4: Box of Chocolates award in my book because you just 568 00:23:01,314 --> 00:23:04,033 Speaker 4: never know what you're going to get, and so I 569 00:23:04,074 --> 00:23:06,634 Speaker 4: think that's super fun with her, And I think she'd 570 00:23:06,714 --> 00:23:08,354 Speaker 4: kind of be what would you put her in? Well, 571 00:23:08,354 --> 00:23:10,033 Speaker 4: that's the thing. I think she'd be out for anything. 572 00:23:10,114 --> 00:23:13,834 Speaker 4: Like I think she's sometimes she wears really beautiful formal 573 00:23:13,874 --> 00:23:15,754 Speaker 4: things and sometimes she was really crazy stuff. 574 00:23:15,754 --> 00:23:16,594 Speaker 3: So I think she'd be fun. 575 00:23:16,954 --> 00:23:21,513 Speaker 2: So true, Who is your all time best on ground over? 576 00:23:21,874 --> 00:23:23,154 Speaker 2: How long you ever been doing this? 577 00:23:23,234 --> 00:23:23,434 Speaker 3: Male? 578 00:23:23,554 --> 00:23:24,034 Speaker 1: Female? 579 00:23:24,194 --> 00:23:28,434 Speaker 2: Like the person not look the person that just genuinely 580 00:23:28,874 --> 00:23:30,114 Speaker 2: almost always gets it right? 581 00:23:30,234 --> 00:23:33,073 Speaker 4: There's well, I think there's a series of those MVPs 582 00:23:33,154 --> 00:23:34,674 Speaker 4: in the book and I don't have it in front 583 00:23:34,674 --> 00:23:34,834 Speaker 4: of me. 584 00:23:34,954 --> 00:23:37,754 Speaker 1: But who first came to mind when I said that, Oh. 585 00:23:37,714 --> 00:23:40,754 Speaker 4: Kate Blinchette, you know, like, can you think of a 586 00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:41,834 Speaker 4: time where she didn't. 587 00:23:41,594 --> 00:23:44,594 Speaker 2: Look No, she always looks great. Her skin's beautiful, perfect. 588 00:23:45,274 --> 00:23:45,914 Speaker 2: I'm not bored. 589 00:23:45,954 --> 00:23:47,474 Speaker 4: I know, right, you're right, but I know, you know 590 00:23:47,554 --> 00:23:49,794 Speaker 4: Kate blind Sheet, Nicole Kidman. Yeah, there's you know, a 591 00:23:49,874 --> 00:23:54,314 Speaker 4: Mile Clooney, Oh never puts a foot wrong. Ever, there's 592 00:23:54,394 --> 00:23:56,634 Speaker 4: quite a few, actually, and then there's people who are 593 00:23:56,634 --> 00:23:58,554 Speaker 4: a little bit more edgy. 594 00:23:59,514 --> 00:24:00,634 Speaker 1: What did you say, fair Man? 595 00:24:00,834 --> 00:24:01,994 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly so. 596 00:24:02,474 --> 00:24:05,354 Speaker 4: But there are definitely some MVPs who for years and 597 00:24:05,434 --> 00:24:08,634 Speaker 4: years and years and years just keep churning out the 598 00:24:08,914 --> 00:24:10,994 Speaker 4: great looks. And they probably because they've got very very 599 00:24:10,994 --> 00:24:13,474 Speaker 4: good stylists, and I assume also they've just got really 600 00:24:13,754 --> 00:24:15,354 Speaker 4: excellent taste themselves and. 601 00:24:15,274 --> 00:24:18,553 Speaker 1: Lots of money. Yeah that helps. If you are invited 602 00:24:18,634 --> 00:24:20,194 Speaker 1: to the Oscars, what are you wearing? 603 00:24:20,754 --> 00:24:21,074 Speaker 2: Lord? 604 00:24:21,794 --> 00:24:22,034 Speaker 3: Look? 605 00:24:22,154 --> 00:24:27,114 Speaker 4: I would wear something very timeless. I think when you're 606 00:24:27,114 --> 00:24:31,234 Speaker 4: looking at the Oscars, you don't want anything trendy, you know. 607 00:24:31,314 --> 00:24:34,234 Speaker 4: I think anything that's kind of old Hollywood, you know, 608 00:24:34,314 --> 00:24:38,434 Speaker 4: the old Hollywood wave. I'm a big fan of yellow dresses. 609 00:24:38,474 --> 00:24:41,074 Speaker 4: I don't know if i'd go yellow at the Oscars, 610 00:24:41,434 --> 00:24:44,794 Speaker 4: but something a little bit of vintage, I think is 611 00:24:44,834 --> 00:24:45,434 Speaker 4: where I would go. 612 00:24:45,514 --> 00:24:46,114 Speaker 1: I enjoy that. 613 00:24:57,674 --> 00:24:59,434 Speaker 2: Before we get into bootie budget, I'm gonna ask you 614 00:24:59,514 --> 00:25:01,474 Speaker 2: some quick, rapid fire questions. 615 00:25:01,874 --> 00:25:03,513 Speaker 1: Who's your red carpet spirit animal? 616 00:25:04,154 --> 00:25:05,034 Speaker 3: Coleman Domingo. 617 00:25:05,874 --> 00:25:08,714 Speaker 4: He's a man's but he's he's not a flamingo, but 618 00:25:08,794 --> 00:25:11,553 Speaker 4: he is the best dressed man on the red carpet 619 00:25:11,554 --> 00:25:15,154 Speaker 4: at the moment, and he's I'm obsessed, obsessed. 620 00:25:15,234 --> 00:25:16,954 Speaker 1: If fashion had a smell, what would it be? 621 00:25:18,234 --> 00:25:20,793 Speaker 3: Bubblegum? 622 00:25:20,834 --> 00:25:23,754 Speaker 1: What's the one outfit you'd send straight to fashion. 623 00:25:23,474 --> 00:25:26,194 Speaker 3: Jail hosary with open toad sandals? 624 00:25:26,234 --> 00:25:30,074 Speaker 2: Three words to describe a true best on ground bog. 625 00:25:29,874 --> 00:25:37,634 Speaker 3: Look, timeless, flattering and perfect. 626 00:25:38,834 --> 00:25:41,634 Speaker 1: What's the biggest fashion crime of the decade. 627 00:25:41,794 --> 00:25:44,354 Speaker 3: I'm going to say the naked dress. Yeah, it's just 628 00:25:44,834 --> 00:25:45,474 Speaker 3: it's too much. 629 00:25:45,474 --> 00:25:46,674 Speaker 1: We're getting more and more naked. 630 00:25:46,794 --> 00:25:49,354 Speaker 4: I want to see clothes. I don't want to see nudity. 631 00:25:49,874 --> 00:25:53,834 Speaker 1: Kanye West partner is actually naked naked. Yeah, okay. Last one. 632 00:25:54,234 --> 00:25:58,154 Speaker 2: If you could ban one accessory forever, what would it be? 633 00:25:58,194 --> 00:26:04,514 Speaker 3: The choker? Easy? I don't care for it. 634 00:26:04,514 --> 00:26:12,034 Speaker 1: It's very expensive. How m bougie and budget? So obviously 635 00:26:12,034 --> 00:26:12,874 Speaker 1: your fashion critical. 636 00:26:12,994 --> 00:26:15,554 Speaker 2: So we're kind of going red carpet inspired I mean, 637 00:26:15,634 --> 00:26:18,194 Speaker 2: you've been doing your own red carpet latly. I haven't 638 00:26:18,274 --> 00:26:20,834 Speaker 2: so minor make believe that I would wear. But let's 639 00:26:20,874 --> 00:26:22,033 Speaker 2: start with your bougie. 640 00:26:22,354 --> 00:26:26,874 Speaker 4: Well, I recently bought a Rebecca Valance cutie Patuti mini dress. 641 00:26:27,034 --> 00:26:27,754 Speaker 1: Is that what it's called? 642 00:26:28,234 --> 00:26:30,954 Speaker 4: It is absolutely not called that. Please don't google that. 643 00:26:30,994 --> 00:26:33,513 Speaker 4: You will not find it. People might be surprised to learn. 644 00:26:33,594 --> 00:26:36,434 Speaker 4: I don't spend a lot on myself. I'd rather buy 645 00:26:36,514 --> 00:26:38,154 Speaker 4: lots of things than expensive things. 646 00:26:38,194 --> 00:26:38,394 Speaker 1: Yeah. 647 00:26:38,674 --> 00:26:40,594 Speaker 3: So, but I you know, new. 648 00:26:40,434 --> 00:26:42,434 Speaker 1: Her dresses like are they're about like eight or nine 649 00:26:42,474 --> 00:26:42,714 Speaker 1: for that. 650 00:26:43,074 --> 00:26:46,714 Speaker 4: This one was maybe seven hundred because it wasn't a gown. 651 00:26:46,834 --> 00:26:49,994 Speaker 4: It was a mini kind of day dress. But that 652 00:26:50,194 --> 00:26:51,234 Speaker 4: was a big spend for me. 653 00:26:51,434 --> 00:26:52,834 Speaker 3: And I what colors. 654 00:26:52,874 --> 00:26:55,634 Speaker 4: It's black and white and it looks a little eighties, 655 00:26:55,674 --> 00:26:59,594 Speaker 4: almost like a little bit working women eighties, and it's glorious, 656 00:26:59,674 --> 00:27:01,834 Speaker 4: and I thought, I deserve this. 657 00:27:02,154 --> 00:27:03,794 Speaker 3: I've purchased it on the internet. 658 00:27:03,834 --> 00:27:06,154 Speaker 2: You have lots of things to do. She makes beautiful dresses. Well, 659 00:27:06,194 --> 00:27:09,834 Speaker 2: mine is absolutely in my dream. So I'm going somewhere phenomenal. 660 00:27:09,874 --> 00:27:11,394 Speaker 2: You can tell me where I'm going to wear this. Actually, 661 00:27:11,674 --> 00:27:13,754 Speaker 2: so I am buying and wearing. Actually no, they're going 662 00:27:13,834 --> 00:27:18,714 Speaker 2: to give it to me, that Albina Dialer embroidered corset dress. 663 00:27:18,914 --> 00:27:22,234 Speaker 2: It is two thousand, two hundred and sixty eight dollars 664 00:27:22,234 --> 00:27:26,033 Speaker 2: and ninety five cents. Because I'm a celebrity. So oh, 665 00:27:26,074 --> 00:27:27,874 Speaker 2: I mean it's half naked, but. 666 00:27:28,034 --> 00:27:30,274 Speaker 3: That's not naked. Yeah, that's beautiful. 667 00:27:30,274 --> 00:27:32,034 Speaker 2: Look at the waist, look at the boob. Obviously there'll 668 00:27:32,034 --> 00:27:34,114 Speaker 2: be a link in the show notes. Look, of course 669 00:27:34,114 --> 00:27:36,833 Speaker 2: it is how long dress beat it? Oh my gosh, 670 00:27:36,954 --> 00:27:38,833 Speaker 2: I mean I want to go somewhere. 671 00:27:38,914 --> 00:27:39,754 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's stunning. 672 00:27:39,914 --> 00:27:42,714 Speaker 1: Yeah, I approve, approve, approved, all right, what's your budget? 673 00:27:42,914 --> 00:27:45,714 Speaker 4: It is a Pilgrim dress that I got on the 674 00:27:45,914 --> 00:27:48,313 Speaker 4: Iconic on sale and it was sixty nine dollars and 675 00:27:48,354 --> 00:27:52,954 Speaker 4: it looks vintage, beautiful perfection. And I wore it in 676 00:27:52,994 --> 00:27:55,794 Speaker 4: a photo shoot for a newspaper the other day. Color black, 677 00:27:56,034 --> 00:27:57,954 Speaker 4: black sequin, kind of off the shoulders. 678 00:27:58,234 --> 00:28:00,354 Speaker 3: It looks like Princess Diana's Revenge dress. 679 00:28:00,354 --> 00:28:03,554 Speaker 4: A little bit sixty nine dollars, velvet, no no sequence, 680 00:28:03,554 --> 00:28:06,954 Speaker 4: black sequin and like little bit of rooshy thing here. 681 00:28:07,154 --> 00:28:09,114 Speaker 2: When I was picking my budget, I could not pick 682 00:28:09,154 --> 00:28:12,714 Speaker 2: between Pilgrim and that Chancery is any say that brand? Yes, okay, 683 00:28:12,834 --> 00:28:15,354 Speaker 2: I think so, and I picked a Chancery dress. But Pilgrim, 684 00:28:15,434 --> 00:28:16,554 Speaker 2: you haven't looked at for years. 685 00:28:16,674 --> 00:28:16,914 Speaker 3: Yeah. 686 00:28:17,154 --> 00:28:19,154 Speaker 2: Obviously don't do many reot carpets or fancy things. But 687 00:28:19,194 --> 00:28:20,793 Speaker 2: when I was looking at Pilgrim on the Iconic, I 688 00:28:20,834 --> 00:28:23,194 Speaker 2: was like, wow, Wi, Yeah, we need to go to places. 689 00:28:23,314 --> 00:28:25,674 Speaker 4: Yeah, they've got They've got really beautiful dresses. And I've 690 00:28:25,714 --> 00:28:27,354 Speaker 4: never bought anything from them before. 691 00:28:27,394 --> 00:28:27,874 Speaker 3: I don't think. 692 00:28:28,194 --> 00:28:32,114 Speaker 1: I feel like fifteen years ago, it was not my vibe. 693 00:28:32,314 --> 00:28:32,874 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. 694 00:28:32,954 --> 00:28:35,594 Speaker 4: I mean I don't. Again, I'm not overly. I don't 695 00:28:35,594 --> 00:28:39,514 Speaker 4: really follow particular labels in great way. But I saw 696 00:28:39,514 --> 00:28:41,594 Speaker 4: it online and you know, when you order online you 697 00:28:41,794 --> 00:28:42,714 Speaker 4: kind of hidd and miss. 698 00:28:42,714 --> 00:28:44,994 Speaker 3: You don't know how it's going to fit. Beautiful. 699 00:28:45,274 --> 00:28:47,794 Speaker 2: Well, my budget for my imaginary red carpet that I'm 700 00:28:47,794 --> 00:28:50,074 Speaker 2: going on is from the Iconic as well. Chancery is 701 00:28:50,074 --> 00:28:52,714 Speaker 2: a brand. It's called the Lotus Maxi dress. It's two 702 00:28:52,794 --> 00:28:54,074 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty dollars because it's new. 703 00:28:54,194 --> 00:28:57,234 Speaker 3: Oh, pink and red. Chink and red is a favorite 704 00:28:57,234 --> 00:28:58,074 Speaker 3: colour cumbo of mine. 705 00:28:58,154 --> 00:29:01,114 Speaker 2: I'm blessed kind of that's leading, I know, and look 706 00:29:01,194 --> 00:29:02,874 Speaker 2: you like black and mite, it comes in black and white. 707 00:29:02,994 --> 00:29:04,794 Speaker 3: That's late. That looks a lot like something I wanted. 708 00:29:04,794 --> 00:29:06,834 Speaker 3: The logo is actually, did you go to the logies? 709 00:29:07,234 --> 00:29:09,634 Speaker 3: I got in on the SLY. I was not invited. 710 00:29:10,314 --> 00:29:11,674 Speaker 2: So the black and white's down to one hundred and 711 00:29:11,714 --> 00:29:13,354 Speaker 2: thirty two dollars at the time of recording. 712 00:29:13,714 --> 00:29:14,594 Speaker 3: It need both of them. 713 00:29:14,954 --> 00:29:15,754 Speaker 1: Anyone has got. 714 00:29:15,594 --> 00:29:19,034 Speaker 2: Red carpet events or weddings or whatever chancery choice. 715 00:29:19,074 --> 00:29:19,914 Speaker 1: What was your brand again? 716 00:29:19,994 --> 00:29:20,954 Speaker 3: It was Pilgrim. 717 00:29:20,594 --> 00:29:21,794 Speaker 1: Pilgrim on the Iconic. 718 00:29:21,874 --> 00:29:25,074 Speaker 2: Yeah, affordable, fabulous, love it fashion Critical. I know you 719 00:29:25,154 --> 00:29:28,514 Speaker 2: have streets to sweep and I don't know what else 720 00:29:28,554 --> 00:29:28,874 Speaker 2: you got. 721 00:29:28,754 --> 00:29:31,394 Speaker 3: To places to be influence, probably. 722 00:29:31,194 --> 00:29:34,114 Speaker 1: Some air to get around and I would like that 723 00:29:34,274 --> 00:29:36,234 Speaker 1: very much. Thank you for joining me on it. 724 00:29:36,314 --> 00:29:38,434 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. It was really fun, so fun. 725 00:29:39,714 --> 00:29:41,594 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to Nothing to Air, 726 00:29:41,714 --> 00:29:43,874 Speaker 2: and don't forget you should head over to YouTube to 727 00:29:43,914 --> 00:29:46,714 Speaker 2: watch us to particularly this episode because you'll get to 728 00:29:46,714 --> 00:29:49,994 Speaker 2: see Fashion Critical in a very fancy outfit and disguise. 729 00:29:50,594 --> 00:29:52,394 Speaker 2: We also have a Nothing to Wear newsletter, there's a 730 00:29:52,434 --> 00:29:54,314 Speaker 2: link in the show notes, and of course we're on 731 00:29:54,354 --> 00:29:56,954 Speaker 2: Instagram at Nothing to air pod, See you soon.