1 00:00:11,744 --> 00:00:14,624 Speaker 1: From Mamma Mia, welcome to The Spill, your daily pop 2 00:00:14,624 --> 00:00:17,864 Speaker 1: culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Tina Provis, and 3 00:00:17,864 --> 00:00:20,313 Speaker 1: coming up on the show today, the America's Next Top 4 00:00:20,313 --> 00:00:23,263 Speaker 1: Model documentary came out just over a week ago on Netflix. 5 00:00:23,544 --> 00:00:25,583 Speaker 1: We did a big deep dive on it then, but 6 00:00:25,583 --> 00:00:29,384 Speaker 1: since then, there has been so much fallout, contestants have 7 00:00:29,384 --> 00:00:32,134 Speaker 1: gone rogue posting things. Everyone who was featured on the 8 00:00:32,134 --> 00:00:32,683 Speaker 1: show has given, 9 00:00:32,939 --> 00:00:35,758 Speaker 1: Tell all interviews. We found out Tyra wasn't even supposed 10 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:38,079 Speaker 1: to be in the documentary. There's so much to unpack, 11 00:00:38,138 --> 00:00:40,588 Speaker 1: so we're gonna be talking about the fallout from the documentary, 12 00:00:40,998 --> 00:00:44,028 Speaker 1: plus a story a little closer to home. Kyle and 13 00:00:44,028 --> 00:00:46,958 Speaker 1: Jackie O, the most famous radio duo in Australia, have 14 00:00:46,958 --> 00:00:49,517 Speaker 1: had a big falling out on air. It's playing out 15 00:00:49,518 --> 00:00:51,837 Speaker 1: now in real time. We're gonna talk about that. Is 16 00:00:51,837 --> 00:00:55,338 Speaker 1: it a publicity stunt, what the stakes are. But first, 17 00:00:55,599 --> 00:00:56,837 Speaker 1: I woke up this morning, I feel like so many 18 00:00:56,837 --> 00:00:57,599 Speaker 1: of our pods. 19 00:00:59,264 --> 00:01:01,503 Speaker 1: I feel like so many of our pods start with 20 00:01:01,503 --> 00:01:03,544 Speaker 1: me going, I woke up this morning and freaked out 21 00:01:03,544 --> 00:01:04,544 Speaker 1: when I looked at my phone. 22 00:01:05,354 --> 00:01:06,683 Speaker 1: I love all those things that like don't look at 23 00:01:06,683 --> 00:01:09,033 Speaker 1: your phone straight away in the morning, it's not, it's 24 00:01:09,033 --> 00:01:11,203 Speaker 1: not healthy, but you have to, 25 00:01:11,344 --> 00:01:12,164 Speaker 2: I need the phone 26 00:01:12,164 --> 00:01:15,044 Speaker 2: time in the morning to catch up on everything and 27 00:01:15,044 --> 00:01:16,084 Speaker 2: then I'm good to start my day. 28 00:01:16,124 --> 00:01:18,084 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I just feel like because especially with our 29 00:01:18,084 --> 00:01:20,164 Speaker 1: job because like we record this podcast in the morning, 30 00:01:20,283 --> 00:01:22,364 Speaker 1: goes out daily, it's like working on a radio show, 31 00:01:22,444 --> 00:01:23,804 Speaker 1: so you have to, when you look at your phone 32 00:01:23,804 --> 00:01:25,823 Speaker 1: in the morning and you see the entertainment news cycle, 33 00:01:26,203 --> 00:01:28,474 Speaker 1: it often defines like am I gonna have a, I'm 34 00:01:28,474 --> 00:01:30,243 Speaker 1: I'm working my cortisol level. 35 00:01:30,536 --> 00:01:33,405 Speaker 1: Through the roof. But anyway, I did open my phone 36 00:01:33,406 --> 00:01:36,127 Speaker 1: today and had a panic attack because the very first 37 00:01:36,127 --> 00:01:40,807 Speaker 1: teaser trailer for Netflix's upcoming adaptation of Pride and Prejudice 38 00:01:40,807 --> 00:01:44,646 Speaker 1: by Jane Austen dropped, and I've got a lot of thoughts. 39 00:01:44,887 --> 00:01:47,677 Speaker 1: Here's the thing about Pride and Prejudice, which, so this 40 00:01:47,677 --> 00:01:51,006 Speaker 1: particular one has been adapted by Dolly Alderton, and she 41 00:01:51,006 --> 00:01:53,286 Speaker 1: herself has said every time she speaks about this because 42 00:01:53,286 --> 00:01:55,116 Speaker 1: I think she knows crazy women like me are gonna 43 00:01:55,116 --> 00:01:55,567 Speaker 1: have a meltdown. 44 00:01:56,169 --> 00:01:59,570 Speaker 1: Every generation has their pride and prejudice. So there are 45 00:01:59,570 --> 00:02:02,330 Speaker 1: some dating back to like 40, 50 years ago, like 46 00:02:02,330 --> 00:02:05,530 Speaker 1: filmed adaptations, and every generation I feel like has the 47 00:02:05,530 --> 00:02:08,689 Speaker 1: one that they really connect to and because of that, 48 00:02:08,769 --> 00:02:12,250 Speaker 1: you hate all other adaptations. So I was raised on 49 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:16,330 Speaker 1: the 90s BBC version, which is the most faithful adaptation. 50 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:20,889 Speaker 1: So Colin Firth as Mr. Darcy, Jennifer Elle as Elizabeth Bennett. 51 00:02:21,364 --> 00:02:24,003 Speaker 1: And to me that is the one true Pride and Prejudice. 52 00:02:24,563 --> 00:02:26,444 Speaker 1: To me the Keira Knightley one, and I know people 53 00:02:26,444 --> 00:02:27,164 Speaker 1: like him that's fine. 54 00:02:27,203 --> 00:02:28,203 Speaker 2: I've merged them in my 55 00:02:28,203 --> 00:02:30,513 Speaker 2: mind. Oh, have you really? I thought Colin Firth was 56 00:02:30,513 --> 00:02:32,244 Speaker 2: with Keira Knightley. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, 57 00:02:32,364 --> 00:02:32,403 Speaker 2: no, 58 00:02:32,474 --> 00:02:33,434 Speaker 1: no, no, no, I made a fan. 59 00:02:33,884 --> 00:02:34,043 Speaker 2: Yeah, 60 00:02:34,084 --> 00:02:36,123 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I can understand you put them together. 61 00:02:36,164 --> 00:02:37,543 Speaker 1: The BBC was more like a long. 62 00:02:37,688 --> 00:02:41,089 Speaker 1: For like a miniseries and it's a bit more like 63 00:02:41,089 --> 00:02:44,289 Speaker 1: kind of classic British TV whereas the Keira Knightley version 64 00:02:44,289 --> 00:02:47,608 Speaker 1: was kind of like the big blockbuster adaptation of Pride 65 00:02:47,608 --> 00:02:50,127 Speaker 1: and Prejudice. To me, the Keira Knightley one, no shade 66 00:02:50,128 --> 00:02:53,888 Speaker 1: to Her, is an abomination and the BBC one is correct. 67 00:02:55,268 --> 00:02:58,009 Speaker 1: But again, every, every generation has theirs, and for a 68 00:02:58,009 --> 00:03:00,509 Speaker 1: lot of people they might be watching this Netflix adaptation, 69 00:03:00,559 --> 00:03:02,248 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a six-part series, so you get to 70 00:03:02,248 --> 00:03:03,869 Speaker 1: see more than the Keira Knightley movie. 71 00:03:04,313 --> 00:03:05,994 Speaker 1: For a lot of people this will be their pride 72 00:03:05,994 --> 00:03:06,153 Speaker 1: and 73 00:03:06,153 --> 00:03:07,873 Speaker 2: prejudice. I think this will be for me because I 74 00:03:07,873 --> 00:03:11,194 Speaker 2: love Dolly Alderton. I love her books, I love when 75 00:03:11,194 --> 00:03:14,393 Speaker 2: she brought Everything I Know About Love into the series, 76 00:03:14,483 --> 00:03:17,914 Speaker 2: so I'm really excited. also how she's kind of spoken 77 00:03:17,914 --> 00:03:20,354 Speaker 2: about it. I think in an interview she did not, 78 00:03:20,513 --> 00:03:23,434 Speaker 2: you know, that it is like the perfect story to 79 00:03:23,434 --> 00:03:25,994 Speaker 2: bring into like a rom-com, which is interesting because I 80 00:03:25,994 --> 00:03:27,434 Speaker 2: don't believe the past one. 81 00:03:27,669 --> 00:03:30,550 Speaker 2: Have been rom-coms in like a traditional sense. 82 00:03:30,630 --> 00:03:33,419 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, not the Keira Knightley version. The original 83 00:03:33,419 --> 00:03:37,309 Speaker 1: BBC one is a little bit more rom-com-esque, yeah, because 84 00:03:37,309 --> 00:03:39,990 Speaker 1: the novel itself does have a lot of rom-com tendencies 85 00:03:39,990 --> 00:03:42,669 Speaker 1: and it's also a romantic drama, but I think the 86 00:03:42,669 --> 00:03:45,349 Speaker 1: BBC one has a bit more of a vibe. It's 87 00:03:45,349 --> 00:03:48,069 Speaker 1: interesting how much heavy lifting Dolly Alderton's name is doing 88 00:03:48,069 --> 00:03:50,869 Speaker 1: with this adaptation because like you said, you're a huge fan. 89 00:03:51,026 --> 00:03:53,106 Speaker 1: Of her, I'm a huge fan of her. We're basic 90 00:03:53,106 --> 00:03:55,746 Speaker 1: bitch millennials, no offense, but I think like we all 91 00:03:55,746 --> 00:03:58,306 Speaker 1: just love Dolly Alderton because we listen to the High Low, 92 00:03:58,425 --> 00:04:01,065 Speaker 1: her podcast, which was like a huge cultural moment, as 93 00:04:01,065 --> 00:04:03,546 Speaker 1: you said, she's written a bunch of books, but everything 94 00:04:03,546 --> 00:04:05,985 Speaker 1: I Know About Love was really kind of like, it's 95 00:04:05,985 --> 00:04:09,746 Speaker 1: like our book, like this generation book that we all 96 00:04:09,746 --> 00:04:11,785 Speaker 1: read over and over again, and then it got adapted 97 00:04:11,785 --> 00:04:14,125 Speaker 1: into a TV show. If anyone hasn't watched that TV show, 98 00:04:14,696 --> 00:04:16,086 Speaker 1: it's on Stan, it's amazing. 99 00:04:16,783 --> 00:04:20,224 Speaker 1: And, yeah, it's so good, right, it's one of those 100 00:04:20,224 --> 00:04:22,123 Speaker 1: ones you can just watch over and over again, like 101 00:04:22,123 --> 00:04:24,503 Speaker 1: it's just everything about it is just like I haven't 102 00:04:24,503 --> 00:04:26,823 Speaker 1: really seen a show depict female friendship like that in 103 00:04:26,823 --> 00:04:28,774 Speaker 1: recent years and love and moving out of home and 104 00:04:28,774 --> 00:04:31,662 Speaker 1: all those things, and so when I heard Dolly was 105 00:04:31,662 --> 00:04:33,503 Speaker 1: doing Pride and Prejudice, I have to say I was 106 00:04:33,503 --> 00:04:36,863 Speaker 1: initially a little disappointed because I was like, that's what 107 00:04:36,863 --> 00:04:39,344 Speaker 1: you're doing, I want you to like, write more memoirs, 108 00:04:39,383 --> 00:04:40,904 Speaker 1: I want you to make another podcast, I want you 109 00:04:40,904 --> 00:04:41,912 Speaker 1: to write an original screenplay. 110 00:04:42,053 --> 00:04:44,534 Speaker 1: Like I don't need to see Pride and Prejudice adapted again, 111 00:04:45,383 --> 00:04:45,943 Speaker 2: far from 112 00:04:45,943 --> 00:04:48,053 Speaker 2: what she has already done and the kind of work 113 00:04:48,053 --> 00:04:50,344 Speaker 2: she's worked on, so I'm really intrigued to see how 114 00:04:50,344 --> 00:04:52,743 Speaker 2: she actually brings it to life, um, because it does, 115 00:04:52,863 --> 00:04:56,642 Speaker 2: it does look very cinematic, um, and like this big 116 00:04:56,642 --> 00:05:00,113 Speaker 2: production which is so far from what she's done previously. Yeah, 117 00:05:00,263 --> 00:05:01,783 Speaker 1: that, and that was the thing about the teaser trailer, 118 00:05:01,823 --> 00:05:03,623 Speaker 1: I did try to watch it with really fresh eyes 119 00:05:03,623 --> 00:05:05,303 Speaker 1: even though as I'm saying, I had so many conflicting 120 00:05:05,303 --> 00:05:07,243 Speaker 1: impressions without prejudice. 121 00:05:08,313 --> 00:05:10,274 Speaker 1: The theme of the book, and so I did try 122 00:05:10,274 --> 00:05:12,513 Speaker 1: to watch it with fresh eyes and I did think 123 00:05:12,513 --> 00:05:16,594 Speaker 1: that she has somehow had a unique interpretation of Pride 124 00:05:16,594 --> 00:05:18,524 Speaker 1: and Prejudice, which is hard to do for a story 125 00:05:18,524 --> 00:05:20,594 Speaker 1: that I know every line of that book and I 126 00:05:20,594 --> 00:05:22,873 Speaker 1: know so many people do. So it starts with Emma 127 00:05:22,873 --> 00:05:25,313 Speaker 1: Corran who is playing Elizabeth Bennett sitting on the roof 128 00:05:25,313 --> 00:05:27,473 Speaker 1: of the house, a place where she has never been 129 00:05:27,472 --> 00:05:30,433 Speaker 1: pictured before. I say she for the character because Emma Corn, 130 00:05:30,472 --> 00:05:33,702 Speaker 1: the actor uses they them pronouns. So you see Elizabeth 131 00:05:33,702 --> 00:05:35,633 Speaker 1: Bennett sitting on the roof of the house and you see, 132 00:05:35,830 --> 00:05:38,561 Speaker 1: Shots of Jack Loudon who plays Mr. Darcy, but it's 133 00:05:38,561 --> 00:05:41,580 Speaker 1: a very kind of quick back and forth, but it 134 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:44,121 Speaker 1: was interesting because a lot of trailers for Pride and 135 00:05:44,121 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: Prejudice show like the chaos of the Bennett house and 136 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,740 Speaker 1: all the sisters, and they show like sweeping shots of like, 137 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:52,762 Speaker 1: Darcy and Elizabeth in the mansions that they live in 138 00:05:52,762 --> 00:05:54,601 Speaker 1: and they show all the balls and stuff where, you know, 139 00:05:54,681 --> 00:05:56,681 Speaker 1: where they're all dancing in these crazy dresses and doing 140 00:05:56,681 --> 00:06:00,121 Speaker 1: these crazy choreographed dances, and that's very Pride and Prejudice, 141 00:06:00,181 --> 00:06:02,202 Speaker 1: whereas I thought this was interesting that she sort of 142 00:06:02,202 --> 00:06:03,201 Speaker 1: made it a bit more of an intimate, 143 00:06:03,460 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: Drama, at least in this first look where you like 144 00:06:06,359 --> 00:06:09,369 Speaker 1: see Elizabeth on the roof and then him like through 145 00:06:09,369 --> 00:06:11,610 Speaker 1: like a keyhole and then it's like a bit of 146 00:06:11,609 --> 00:06:13,969 Speaker 1: tense music and then it's like pretty music and then it, 147 00:06:14,169 --> 00:06:17,128 Speaker 2: yeah, it does feel like it is a teaser in 148 00:06:17,128 --> 00:06:19,890 Speaker 2: a true form, and I enjoy that because I feel 149 00:06:19,890 --> 00:06:22,029 Speaker 2: like a lot of teasers these days give away too 150 00:06:22,029 --> 00:06:23,890 Speaker 2: much and that's usually a sign for me that it's 151 00:06:23,890 --> 00:06:24,179 Speaker 2: gonna be a 152 00:06:24,179 --> 00:06:24,620 Speaker 2: bad movie. 153 00:06:24,909 --> 00:06:26,289 Speaker 1: Yes, well, I guess the thing is like you can't 154 00:06:26,289 --> 00:06:27,770 Speaker 1: give away too much in Pride and Bred just because 155 00:06:27,770 --> 00:06:30,770 Speaker 1: we know how it ends, although, well, oh my God. 156 00:06:30,856 --> 00:06:32,498 Speaker 1: I would actually love that, so this is what I 157 00:06:32,498 --> 00:06:35,698 Speaker 1: said with Wuthering Heights is that there's so many adaptations 158 00:06:35,698 --> 00:06:38,616 Speaker 1: of Wuthering Heights, there's over 30. There's no need to 159 00:06:38,616 --> 00:06:42,097 Speaker 1: remake that page for page, which Emerald Fennell did it 160 00:06:42,097 --> 00:06:44,016 Speaker 1: because God bless her heart, I don't think she remembers 161 00:06:44,017 --> 00:06:45,137 Speaker 1: how Wuthering Heights end. 162 00:06:45,258 --> 00:06:45,977 Speaker 2: She was like, I'm 163 00:06:45,977 --> 00:06:46,978 Speaker 2: doing the version I 164 00:06:46,977 --> 00:06:47,736 Speaker 2: remember. Yeah, 165 00:06:47,808 --> 00:06:49,416 Speaker 1: I love that. I, I don't mind that. I just 166 00:06:49,416 --> 00:06:51,098 Speaker 1: thought there needed to be a bit more substance there, 167 00:06:51,217 --> 00:06:52,517 Speaker 1: but that we've already done a whole podcast on that, 168 00:06:52,527 --> 00:06:54,617 Speaker 1: so I won't say anything else. But I would love 169 00:06:54,616 --> 00:06:57,058 Speaker 1: if Dolly had mixed it up a little bit, which 170 00:06:57,058 --> 00:06:58,336 Speaker 1: I don't think she will because, 171 00:06:58,426 --> 00:07:01,304 Speaker 1: She keeps saying it's a faithful adaptation, but I would 172 00:07:01,304 --> 00:07:02,815 Speaker 1: love to see her kind of mix it up, but 173 00:07:02,815 --> 00:07:04,985 Speaker 1: maybe she's done that in just the way she's interpreted 174 00:07:04,986 --> 00:07:07,784 Speaker 1: the dialogue and the casting because Emma Corn is one 175 00:07:07,784 --> 00:07:09,755 Speaker 1: of my favorite actors at the moment. Like I think 176 00:07:09,755 --> 00:07:11,304 Speaker 1: a lot of people got to know them from playing 177 00:07:11,304 --> 00:07:13,744 Speaker 1: Princess Diana in The Crown, and they were so incredible 178 00:07:13,744 --> 00:07:16,725 Speaker 1: in that, but then they played this crazy villain in Deadpool, 179 00:07:16,946 --> 00:07:20,166 Speaker 1: and there was such a, such like a scene stealing moment, 180 00:07:20,176 --> 00:07:22,775 Speaker 1: and then in Nosferatu, like that was one of the 181 00:07:22,775 --> 00:07:25,886 Speaker 1: best performances, so I'm excited to see how they, 182 00:07:26,244 --> 00:07:29,314 Speaker 1: Interpret this classic character that's been played so many times before. 183 00:07:29,883 --> 00:07:30,233 Speaker 2: I'm 184 00:07:30,233 --> 00:07:32,133 Speaker 2: excited because this will kind of be my intro in. 185 00:07:32,203 --> 00:07:34,043 Speaker 2: I think I should just go in raw, like I'm 186 00:07:34,042 --> 00:07:34,464 Speaker 2: not gonna 187 00:07:35,554 --> 00:07:37,733 Speaker 1: I would actually love if you just watched this and 188 00:07:37,733 --> 00:07:39,482 Speaker 1: experienced it for the first time, so like don't read 189 00:07:39,483 --> 00:07:42,124 Speaker 1: the book, yeah, yeah, yeah, let me know. Well, we 190 00:07:42,124 --> 00:07:43,804 Speaker 1: don't have a date yet, we just know the six-part 191 00:07:43,804 --> 00:07:46,494 Speaker 1: series is coming out later this year, Pride and Preds 192 00:07:46,494 --> 00:07:49,034 Speaker 1: on Netflix. Stay tuned. I'm gonna be so emotional that week, 193 00:07:49,084 --> 00:07:50,422 Speaker 1: I might need to take personal leave, 194 00:07:50,534 --> 00:07:50,543 Speaker 2: yeah. 195 00:07:52,784 --> 00:07:55,453 Speaker 2: OK, so last week we did a brutally honest review 196 00:07:55,453 --> 00:07:58,633 Speaker 2: of Reality Check Inside America's Next Top Model, the new 197 00:07:58,633 --> 00:08:01,504 Speaker 2: docuseries on Netflix, and now there is a lot to 198 00:08:01,504 --> 00:08:03,033 Speaker 2: unpack off the back of it. 199 00:08:03,233 --> 00:08:05,983 Speaker 1: Absolutely. So when the dotco came out, a lot of 200 00:08:05,983 --> 00:08:07,882 Speaker 1: people were getting into like the behind the scenes of 201 00:08:07,883 --> 00:08:10,233 Speaker 1: this world for the first time. There was a lot 202 00:08:10,233 --> 00:08:12,834 Speaker 1: of joy of seeing like familiar faces, so we had 203 00:08:12,834 --> 00:08:16,232 Speaker 1: all the main judges from the 1st 2 years, whatever 204 00:08:16,233 --> 00:08:17,713 Speaker 1: it was, of America's dachshund Models. 205 00:08:17,826 --> 00:08:21,546 Speaker 1: So Jay Manuel, Miss Jay, Nigel Barker, we had all 206 00:08:21,546 --> 00:08:25,016 Speaker 1: of these different contestants from different cycles of America's Next 207 00:08:25,016 --> 00:08:27,826 Speaker 1: Top Model come out and share their stories, and for 208 00:08:27,826 --> 00:08:30,625 Speaker 1: a lot of people it was quite harrowing viewing of 209 00:08:30,625 --> 00:08:33,146 Speaker 1: if you hadn't watched America's Next Top Model, which I 210 00:08:33,146 --> 00:08:34,696 Speaker 1: know you hadn't, so you were coming to this world 211 00:08:34,696 --> 00:08:36,665 Speaker 1: with fresh eyes and you were like, what the hell, 212 00:08:36,826 --> 00:08:37,606 Speaker 1: how did this happen? 213 00:08:37,706 --> 00:08:39,736 Speaker 2: So confronting. I think I'd seen a lot of it, 214 00:08:39,775 --> 00:08:42,965 Speaker 2: you know, pop back up in viral moments over the years. 215 00:08:43,337 --> 00:08:46,915 Speaker 2: Seeing it collated like all together really paints a picture of, 216 00:08:47,017 --> 00:08:50,697 Speaker 2: I guess, reality TV and also the industry, and it 217 00:08:50,697 --> 00:08:52,056 Speaker 2: was really quite disturbing. 218 00:08:52,296 --> 00:08:54,337 Speaker 1: Yes, so you had that coming from fans who hadn't 219 00:08:54,337 --> 00:08:56,176 Speaker 1: seen it and then also people who had grown up 220 00:08:56,176 --> 00:08:58,817 Speaker 1: with this show, seeing a different story, seeing where a 221 00:08:58,817 --> 00:09:01,697 Speaker 1: lot of these women whose stories they had followed ended 222 00:09:01,697 --> 00:09:03,856 Speaker 1: up and like getting all this information that we hadn't 223 00:09:03,856 --> 00:09:06,217 Speaker 1: had before. So it really became this kind of like 224 00:09:06,217 --> 00:09:08,356 Speaker 1: almost like a global talking point which is so interesting. 225 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:11,410 Speaker 1: But since then, since we did our Brutally Honest review 226 00:09:11,410 --> 00:09:13,730 Speaker 1: and everyone was just like reacting to the show, a 227 00:09:13,730 --> 00:09:15,770 Speaker 1: lot of people on the show have been doing press tours, 228 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,449 Speaker 1: they've gone on social and shared their thoughts, and there's 229 00:09:18,449 --> 00:09:20,770 Speaker 1: been a lot of fallout from the America's Next Top 230 00:09:20,770 --> 00:09:25,009 Speaker 1: Model documentary, particularly for Tyra Banks. So one thing I 231 00:09:25,009 --> 00:09:27,770 Speaker 1: thought was interesting is a lot of the contestants, especially 232 00:09:27,770 --> 00:09:31,090 Speaker 1: the ones who weren't in the documentary, sharing their thoughts, 233 00:09:31,359 --> 00:09:33,049 Speaker 1: and there are a few themes that came up, a 234 00:09:33,049 --> 00:09:33,989 Speaker 1: few of them were like, 235 00:09:34,593 --> 00:09:37,043 Speaker 1: I knew I was never meant to be a model 236 00:09:37,043 --> 00:09:39,273 Speaker 1: and they put me on the show for my backstory 237 00:09:39,273 --> 00:09:41,673 Speaker 1: and it's becoming really clear now. There's a few of 238 00:09:41,673 --> 00:09:44,894 Speaker 1: them who said I knew they were choosing my worst photos, 239 00:09:44,913 --> 00:09:46,793 Speaker 1: and they would never admit it to me. There's people 240 00:09:46,793 --> 00:09:49,114 Speaker 1: who came out that's what I say about my friends. Yeah, 241 00:09:49,124 --> 00:09:51,114 Speaker 1: exactly Instagram I'm like you chose that was a bad 242 00:09:51,114 --> 00:09:53,273 Speaker 1: photo of me, exactly, and they probably learned that from 243 00:09:53,273 --> 00:09:56,074 Speaker 1: the Top Model show. Uh, a lot of contestants who 244 00:09:56,074 --> 00:09:58,514 Speaker 1: came out and talked more about bullying behind the scenes 245 00:09:58,514 --> 00:10:00,153 Speaker 1: and like what Tyra was really like. 246 00:10:00,234 --> 00:10:03,035 Speaker 1: Everyone was sharing these stories. One person in particular I 247 00:10:03,035 --> 00:10:05,715 Speaker 1: thought was really interesting was the winner of the first season, 248 00:10:05,795 --> 00:10:08,424 Speaker 1: Adrianne C Curry, who's gone on to become like quite 249 00:10:08,424 --> 00:10:11,025 Speaker 1: a big name, especially like in different reality shows, she 250 00:10:11,025 --> 00:10:13,754 Speaker 1: does a lot of that, who wasn't in the documentary, 251 00:10:14,074 --> 00:10:17,035 Speaker 1: but she put out an interview on, she like, well 252 00:10:17,035 --> 00:10:18,554 Speaker 1: she did some interviews but then she put out a 253 00:10:18,554 --> 00:10:21,715 Speaker 1: social media post and basically is the one who has 254 00:10:21,715 --> 00:10:25,265 Speaker 1: called Tyra out the hardest and said of Tyra Banks, 255 00:10:25,434 --> 00:10:25,915 Speaker 1: that bitch is, 256 00:10:26,075 --> 00:10:29,116 Speaker 1: Not effing sorry, she won't bend the knee, and a 257 00:10:29,116 --> 00:10:31,775 Speaker 1: lot of contestants then joined in the fray being like, 258 00:10:31,785 --> 00:10:34,556 Speaker 1: that was the most disappointing thing for them is they 259 00:10:34,556 --> 00:10:37,465 Speaker 1: expected an apology from Tyra Banks when they watched the 260 00:10:37,465 --> 00:10:38,975 Speaker 1: documentary and then they didn't get it. 261 00:10:39,116 --> 00:10:41,356 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she also had some comments that she'd 262 00:10:41,356 --> 00:10:44,756 Speaker 2: left online, you know, while she does condemn like some 263 00:10:44,756 --> 00:10:47,155 Speaker 2: of the things that Tyra's done, she also was just 264 00:10:47,155 --> 00:10:50,145 Speaker 2: calling out the wider entertainment industry and you know, there 265 00:10:50,145 --> 00:10:51,595 Speaker 2: was a point made around, you know, 266 00:10:51,846 --> 00:10:54,756 Speaker 2: Tyra is the main one everyone is going to with 267 00:10:54,757 --> 00:10:57,996 Speaker 2: like pitchforks but at the same time, it's the industry 268 00:10:57,996 --> 00:11:01,035 Speaker 2: as a whole and like how the producers really exploited 269 00:11:01,036 --> 00:11:05,096 Speaker 2: them and humiliated based on how much they were given. Um, 270 00:11:05,356 --> 00:11:08,796 Speaker 2: so it's interesting to see how she understands what Tara 271 00:11:08,796 --> 00:11:10,757 Speaker 2: did is bad but it's also like, they 272 00:11:10,757 --> 00:11:11,186 Speaker 2: all are. 273 00:11:11,397 --> 00:11:13,837 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, which I think is like a really interesting 274 00:11:13,837 --> 00:11:15,467 Speaker 1: common thread that's come out from a lot of the 275 00:11:15,467 --> 00:11:17,436 Speaker 1: contestants and a lot of them, 276 00:11:17,557 --> 00:11:20,478 Speaker 1: Have also sort of seen how their story played out 277 00:11:20,478 --> 00:11:23,067 Speaker 1: in the documentary and then have sort of doubled down, 278 00:11:23,077 --> 00:11:25,038 Speaker 1: and I, I guess because they were all interviewed for 279 00:11:25,038 --> 00:11:26,997 Speaker 1: a few hours by the documentary crew is what we 280 00:11:26,997 --> 00:11:30,038 Speaker 1: know now. And even though the documentary itself was 3 episodes, 281 00:11:30,108 --> 00:11:33,158 Speaker 1: you're only getting little snippets of these women who sat 282 00:11:33,158 --> 00:11:35,057 Speaker 1: in these chairs for hours. So a few of them 283 00:11:35,478 --> 00:11:38,178 Speaker 1: have come out and put out additional comments to sort 284 00:11:38,178 --> 00:11:40,918 Speaker 1: of back up the stories they shared. One was Tiffany, 285 00:11:40,997 --> 00:11:43,197 Speaker 1: who was the model at the center of probably, 286 00:11:43,478 --> 00:11:46,918 Speaker 1: Next Top Model's most viral moment where she left the 287 00:11:46,918 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: show for bad behavior, they brought her bad behavior. She's 288 00:11:50,199 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: like being immature or something. They brought her back and 289 00:11:52,319 --> 00:11:54,389 Speaker 1: it was this whole redemption story of like now she's 290 00:11:54,389 --> 00:11:56,798 Speaker 1: ready to be a model and she was sent home 291 00:11:56,798 --> 00:11:59,898 Speaker 1: and Tyra Banks didn't think that she was taking it seriously, 292 00:12:00,079 --> 00:12:01,918 Speaker 1: and that's when she stood up and did the classic, 293 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,769 Speaker 1: we were all rooting for you, yeah, we're rooting for you. 294 00:12:06,119 --> 00:12:08,639 Speaker 1: I've never yelled at a girl like this before and 295 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:08,958 Speaker 1: the most, 296 00:12:09,119 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: quotable line from Top Model. And so she sort of 297 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: said that when she saw Tyra speak in the documentary, 298 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: she didn't feel it rang true and actually sort of 299 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: came out with a statement about her and she said 300 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,119 Speaker 1: about Tyra, you are one lying ass bitch, you know 301 00:12:24,119 --> 00:12:26,790 Speaker 1: how you treated me the whole time on and off camera, 302 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: you was a bully, you treated me like shit, and 303 00:12:29,319 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: this is the most telling thing which wasn't in the documentary, 304 00:12:31,489 --> 00:12:33,999 Speaker 1: she said, and you said the nastiest things about me 305 00:12:33,999 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: and my son. 306 00:12:35,103 --> 00:12:38,213 Speaker 1: It's kind of like how Danielle, who was in the documentary, 307 00:12:38,574 --> 00:12:40,874 Speaker 1: talked about the fact that she and Tyra had continued 308 00:12:40,874 --> 00:12:44,514 Speaker 1: to speak after Top Model was filmed, and Tyra admitted 309 00:12:44,514 --> 00:12:47,554 Speaker 1: to her later on that she knew that she wasn't 310 00:12:47,554 --> 00:12:49,314 Speaker 1: going to make it as a model because of the 311 00:12:49,314 --> 00:12:52,074 Speaker 1: taint of Top Model kind of ruining her reputation. 312 00:12:52,233 --> 00:12:52,913 Speaker 2: This is again 313 00:12:52,913 --> 00:12:54,593 Speaker 2: where I'm like guys, it was on for 20 years, 314 00:12:54,673 --> 00:12:57,634 Speaker 2: did we not notice like not everyone was becoming models 315 00:12:57,634 --> 00:12:57,913 Speaker 2: off the 316 00:12:57,913 --> 00:12:58,423 Speaker 2: back of it? 317 00:12:58,543 --> 00:13:00,473 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like quite a few of them did, 318 00:13:00,514 --> 00:13:03,353 Speaker 1: like there are some success stories from Top Model, but 319 00:13:03,353 --> 00:13:04,434 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting because, 320 00:13:04,556 --> 00:13:07,116 Speaker 1: For most of the contestants we learned afterwards Tyra just 321 00:13:07,116 --> 00:13:09,517 Speaker 1: like never communicated with them again, which I guess is 322 00:13:09,517 --> 00:13:12,236 Speaker 1: fair enough because there's like it's over 20 cycles of 323 00:13:12,236 --> 00:13:13,035 Speaker 1: that show. Totally. 324 00:13:13,197 --> 00:13:13,556 Speaker 2: There's 325 00:13:13,556 --> 00:13:16,516 Speaker 2: so many contestants and also I guess it's just the 326 00:13:16,517 --> 00:13:19,796 Speaker 2: expectation around the format of the show, like at the 327 00:13:19,796 --> 00:13:22,036 Speaker 2: end of the day like it is a reality show 328 00:13:22,036 --> 00:13:25,366 Speaker 2: but it was positioned as a documentary and I think 329 00:13:25,397 --> 00:13:29,176 Speaker 2: that is hard and how was that communicated to contestants 330 00:13:29,356 --> 00:13:32,556 Speaker 2: and like obviously like their well-being wasn't really front of 331 00:13:32,556 --> 00:13:33,587 Speaker 2: mind after the show. 332 00:13:33,686 --> 00:13:34,036 Speaker 1: Yeah. 333 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,239 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's just interesting now we're having these like little 334 00:13:36,239 --> 00:13:40,809 Speaker 1: pockets of information come out that with some contestants, Tyra 335 00:13:40,809 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: continued to have almost like a secretive communication with them 336 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,230 Speaker 1: behind the scenes and with the case of Danielle and Tiffany, 337 00:13:48,359 --> 00:13:50,989 Speaker 1: both of them have come out and now said that 338 00:13:51,319 --> 00:13:54,239 Speaker 1: the relationship they had with Tyra Banks years later that 339 00:13:54,239 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: was off camera was almost more toxic than the relationship 340 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: we saw on camera, and we need another documentary, that's 341 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: what we need about about the fallout from it. 342 00:14:04,043 --> 00:14:06,913 Speaker 1: Something else has been interesting is all the judges who were, 343 00:14:07,043 --> 00:14:09,903 Speaker 1: so the two Jay's and Nigel have been doing a 344 00:14:09,903 --> 00:14:11,783 Speaker 1: lot of press since the documentary came out. 345 00:14:12,204 --> 00:14:15,644 Speaker 2: It's interesting as well because I think there was another judge, 346 00:14:15,744 --> 00:14:17,983 Speaker 2: but she hasn't been as as part of that tour 347 00:14:17,983 --> 00:14:19,364 Speaker 2: and the press that they've been doing. She wasn't in 348 00:14:19,364 --> 00:14:23,014 Speaker 2: the documentary, Kelly Cattrone? Catrone? Oh 349 00:14:23,014 --> 00:14:24,403 Speaker 1: yeah, Kelly Cattrone. 350 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:26,624 Speaker 1: That's a famous, OK, you're like, I don't know who 351 00:14:26,624 --> 00:14:29,343 Speaker 1: that is. Kelly Cattrone, yeah, no, no, no, I'm not 352 00:14:29,343 --> 00:14:31,333 Speaker 1: a Bravo girl, but I am a whatever this is, 353 00:14:31,423 --> 00:14:35,023 Speaker 1: early millennial noughts. Kelly Cattrone's a really famous name because 354 00:14:35,023 --> 00:14:38,103 Speaker 1: she was on The Hills. She was a huge personality 355 00:14:38,103 --> 00:14:40,853 Speaker 1: on that. She was Lauren Conrad's boss and Stephanie Pratt's 356 00:14:40,853 --> 00:14:43,144 Speaker 1: boss and a huge figure, and then she was on 357 00:14:43,144 --> 00:14:46,083 Speaker 1: The Hills, which is Whitney Port when she moved from 358 00:14:46,264 --> 00:14:48,783 Speaker 1: the Hills to New York to film the city, and 359 00:14:48,783 --> 00:14:51,223 Speaker 1: she's Whitney's boss in the city, and she is this, 360 00:14:51,543 --> 00:14:52,273 Speaker 1: and she's a real, 361 00:14:52,329 --> 00:14:55,298 Speaker 1: Life fashion publicist, like one of the most famous fashion publicists, 362 00:14:55,569 --> 00:14:57,379 Speaker 1: and then she went on to have her own show, 363 00:14:57,489 --> 00:14:59,478 Speaker 1: now she's best friends with Anna Delve, it's a whole thing, 364 00:14:59,528 --> 00:15:01,608 Speaker 1: but she's a huge iconic and she, yeah, I know, 365 00:15:01,668 --> 00:15:04,509 Speaker 1: it's crazy. No, no, this woman is like golden TV 366 00:15:05,369 --> 00:15:06,929 Speaker 1: just the whole, you wanna cry, you cry on your 367 00:15:06,929 --> 00:15:10,038 Speaker 1: lunch break. She's like you're getting proposed to any fashion 368 00:15:10,038 --> 00:15:11,848 Speaker 1: girl worth her salt is like nice ring, I'll be back, 369 00:15:11,929 --> 00:15:14,809 Speaker 1: I've got to make this delivery, like she's the whole, yeah, no, no, 370 00:15:15,009 --> 00:15:18,288 Speaker 1: she is Miranda like so much rougher and more intense 371 00:15:18,288 --> 00:15:19,749 Speaker 1: than the Devil Wears Prada. 372 00:15:19,994 --> 00:15:22,074 Speaker 1: I remember just watching her as a teen like on 373 00:15:22,074 --> 00:15:24,153 Speaker 1: the hills and stuff and being like I'm obsessed with her, 374 00:15:24,194 --> 00:15:26,343 Speaker 1: but I would burst into tears if she ever looked 375 00:15:26,343 --> 00:15:28,833 Speaker 1: in my direction make me cry. So yeah, I'm, oh 376 00:15:28,833 --> 00:15:30,593 Speaker 1: my God, I forgot she went on to Top Model 377 00:15:30,593 --> 00:15:32,833 Speaker 1: to be a judge because she was such a big 378 00:15:32,833 --> 00:15:35,194 Speaker 1: personality that when they were getting new judges in, they 379 00:15:35,194 --> 00:15:37,353 Speaker 1: brought her in because it's almost like she was gonna 380 00:15:37,353 --> 00:15:40,114 Speaker 1: be the new Janice Dickinson because she's like, I will 381 00:15:40,114 --> 00:15:42,014 Speaker 1: tell you straight and be cutting, 382 00:15:42,434 --> 00:15:44,713 Speaker 2: get to the point. Yeah, yeah, so she has since 383 00:15:44,713 --> 00:15:46,533 Speaker 2: come out and she has kind of like poked a 384 00:15:46,533 --> 00:15:47,473 Speaker 2: hole in, 385 00:15:47,619 --> 00:15:50,528 Speaker 2: Jay's story and you know how convenient that he's got 386 00:15:50,528 --> 00:15:53,939 Speaker 2: like this whole book on Tyra and and the show 387 00:15:53,939 --> 00:15:55,658 Speaker 2: and now he's got this press tour off the back 388 00:15:55,658 --> 00:15:58,119 Speaker 2: of it and so she's kind of come to Tyra's 389 00:15:58,119 --> 00:16:01,098 Speaker 2: aid to defend her. So it's interesting that you know 390 00:16:01,098 --> 00:16:02,559 Speaker 2: she didn't have to play a part at all. I 391 00:16:02,559 --> 00:16:04,398 Speaker 2: mean she didn't need to be in the docuseries probably. 392 00:16:04,699 --> 00:16:06,939 Speaker 1: I mean but that would have been freaking amazing. That 393 00:16:06,939 --> 00:16:09,019 Speaker 1: woman has no filter in like the I I I 394 00:16:09,019 --> 00:16:10,778 Speaker 1: know she's destroyed a lot of lives, but I love 395 00:16:10,778 --> 00:16:13,619 Speaker 1: her so much. She's just, the thing is you work 396 00:16:13,619 --> 00:16:14,958 Speaker 1: for Kelly Grow, you know what's gonna happen. 397 00:16:15,204 --> 00:16:18,684 Speaker 1: She's really good TV. Yeah, the Jay Manuel thing is 398 00:16:18,684 --> 00:16:21,684 Speaker 1: really interesting because out of all the judges, he is 399 00:16:21,684 --> 00:16:23,043 Speaker 1: the one doing a lot of the press, but I 400 00:16:23,043 --> 00:16:26,923 Speaker 1: guess also like Nigel Barker is still in the public eye, 401 00:16:26,963 --> 00:16:29,124 Speaker 1: but he's more of a photographer now and obviously Miss 402 00:16:29,124 --> 00:16:32,403 Speaker 1: Ja so sadly suffered a stroke and is, is still 403 00:16:32,403 --> 00:16:34,723 Speaker 1: in rehabilitation for that, and I think that was one 404 00:16:34,723 --> 00:16:37,764 Speaker 1: of the heartwarming moments from the dock and Miss Jay 405 00:16:37,764 --> 00:16:40,004 Speaker 1: has come out and said that seeing fans react to 406 00:16:40,004 --> 00:16:42,684 Speaker 1: their news and all the lovely messages has been really hard. 407 00:16:42,829 --> 00:16:45,588 Speaker 1: Heartwarming of that whole like I used to teach women 408 00:16:45,588 --> 00:16:47,208 Speaker 1: to walk and now I can't walk, but I will, 409 00:16:47,668 --> 00:16:52,148 Speaker 1: was really lovely and seeing those men come together, um 410 00:16:52,148 --> 00:16:54,468 Speaker 1: having their moment. Yeah, they have come out of this 411 00:16:54,468 --> 00:16:58,629 Speaker 1: looking quite well for three men who were definitely a 412 00:16:58,629 --> 00:17:02,788 Speaker 1: part of all the terrible things that happened, them coming 413 00:17:02,788 --> 00:17:06,619 Speaker 1: together in that documentary and then doing joint interviews afterwards, 414 00:17:06,989 --> 00:17:09,869 Speaker 1: talking about their friendship and every and like also the 415 00:17:09,869 --> 00:17:10,388 Speaker 1: fact that, 416 00:17:10,763 --> 00:17:13,193 Speaker 1: It was like gay men of color at the time 417 00:17:13,193 --> 00:17:15,693 Speaker 1: was still like a radical thing to be on TV 418 00:17:15,693 --> 00:17:18,973 Speaker 1: and they had a lot of criticism, and I saw 419 00:17:18,973 --> 00:17:21,323 Speaker 1: an interview with Jay Manuel the other day saying that 420 00:17:21,323 --> 00:17:23,333 Speaker 1: after the documentary came out, cos they hadn't seen it 421 00:17:23,333 --> 00:17:25,394 Speaker 1: in full until it aired, so they watched it with 422 00:17:25,394 --> 00:17:28,092 Speaker 1: the rest of us, with the public, and Jay said 423 00:17:28,093 --> 00:17:31,154 Speaker 1: that Nigel called him like really emotional and was like, 424 00:17:31,494 --> 00:17:33,693 Speaker 1: I wish I was the friend to you then that 425 00:17:33,693 --> 00:17:35,374 Speaker 1: I am now so I could have helped you, but 426 00:17:35,374 --> 00:17:37,533 Speaker 1: I just didn't know how bad things were. 427 00:17:37,914 --> 00:17:38,963 Speaker 2: Oh that's really sweet. 428 00:17:39,114 --> 00:17:40,563 Speaker 1: It feels real, but it's also 429 00:17:40,563 --> 00:17:43,744 Speaker 2: they're doing good PR. That is good PR because they're 430 00:17:43,744 --> 00:17:46,703 Speaker 2: banding together, they're playing on the friendship. I think it's 431 00:17:46,703 --> 00:17:50,343 Speaker 2: so easy now to paint Tyra in a certain light 432 00:17:50,343 --> 00:17:53,004 Speaker 2: and like use her as like the scapegoat, like everything's 433 00:17:53,004 --> 00:17:55,513 Speaker 2: on her, it's so easy like to pile on, and 434 00:17:55,514 --> 00:17:58,343 Speaker 2: I think that's what a lot of audiences are doing. Um, 435 00:17:58,483 --> 00:18:01,654 Speaker 2: so them banding together, while it is really lovely and sweet, 436 00:18:01,764 --> 00:18:04,203 Speaker 2: I do feel like it is a move to. 437 00:18:04,339 --> 00:18:06,409 Speaker 2: Kind of have that positive PR 438 00:18:06,410 --> 00:18:09,849 Speaker 1: around. Yeah, absolutely, and the interesting thing about the documentary 439 00:18:09,849 --> 00:18:12,650 Speaker 1: because when we did our Brutally Honest review, we obviously 440 00:18:12,650 --> 00:18:14,849 Speaker 1: were just reacting to the TV show, like nothing had 441 00:18:14,849 --> 00:18:16,849 Speaker 1: come out about how it was made really or anything 442 00:18:16,849 --> 00:18:19,489 Speaker 1: like that, and the question that we were talking about 443 00:18:19,489 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: that a lot of people have is, why did Tyra 444 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,489 Speaker 1: agree to do this, why did she come off, she 445 00:18:24,489 --> 00:18:27,609 Speaker 1: comes off so like kind of like detached and old 446 00:18:27,609 --> 00:18:30,770 Speaker 1: school reality TV and not wanting to take accountability and, 447 00:18:30,855 --> 00:18:34,484 Speaker 1: Didn't she know how bad that would look when all 448 00:18:34,485 --> 00:18:37,295 Speaker 1: these other contestants were sharing these huge stories when all 449 00:18:37,296 --> 00:18:40,096 Speaker 1: the other judges were speaking, and we now know that 450 00:18:40,096 --> 00:18:42,576 Speaker 1: she was a last minute addition and no one who 451 00:18:42,576 --> 00:18:44,895 Speaker 1: was in the documentary knew who else was gonna be 452 00:18:44,895 --> 00:18:48,274 Speaker 1: in it. So like the three judges, so Jay, Miss Jay, 453 00:18:48,285 --> 00:18:51,775 Speaker 1: and Nigel Barker knew because they were the first ones 454 00:18:51,775 --> 00:18:54,576 Speaker 1: contacted and once they agreed to make the documentary, it 455 00:18:54,576 --> 00:18:57,035 Speaker 1: was greenlit by Netflix and given global distribution. 456 00:18:57,774 --> 00:19:00,414 Speaker 1: And they said they didn't talk amongst each other before 457 00:19:00,414 --> 00:19:02,614 Speaker 1: they went on the documentary. Whether that's true or not, 458 00:19:02,693 --> 00:19:04,914 Speaker 1: we'll never know unless we see the group chat. Um, 459 00:19:04,933 --> 00:19:06,813 Speaker 1: they said they just went on and share their stories, 460 00:19:06,853 --> 00:19:09,254 Speaker 1: but they didn't know which of the former contestants were 461 00:19:09,254 --> 00:19:11,683 Speaker 1: gonna be included, they didn't know what they were gonna say, 462 00:19:11,693 --> 00:19:15,333 Speaker 1: and they didn't know Tyra was gonna be included. So apparently, 463 00:19:15,414 --> 00:19:17,693 Speaker 1: I haven't seen Tyra confirm this, but this is what 464 00:19:17,693 --> 00:19:21,213 Speaker 1: Jay said. Jay said that Tyra was brought in when 465 00:19:21,213 --> 00:19:23,973 Speaker 1: the documentary was already filming, so it was already, 466 00:19:24,169 --> 00:19:26,688 Speaker 1: Happening, everyone had already given their interviews and then she 467 00:19:26,688 --> 00:19:28,789 Speaker 1: was kind of brought in like almost last moment. 468 00:19:28,928 --> 00:19:29,039 Speaker 2: I 469 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:31,169 Speaker 2: wonder if she caught wind of it and her people 470 00:19:31,169 --> 00:19:33,928 Speaker 2: kind of reached out or whether they started to chat 471 00:19:33,928 --> 00:19:36,108 Speaker 2: to everyone and go, we need her side of the story. 472 00:19:36,249 --> 00:19:39,249 Speaker 2: I think it's an awful PR move for her. Like 473 00:19:39,249 --> 00:19:41,808 Speaker 2: I don't think this has done her any help. I 474 00:19:41,808 --> 00:19:44,149 Speaker 2: almost wonder if it would have been better for her 475 00:19:44,409 --> 00:19:46,529 Speaker 2: to not have taken part of it and then be 476 00:19:46,529 --> 00:19:49,049 Speaker 2: able to control the narrative in her own way because 477 00:19:49,049 --> 00:19:50,448 Speaker 2: I think whatever power. 478 00:19:50,683 --> 00:19:53,483 Speaker 2: She thought she had has completely been swiped off 479 00:19:53,483 --> 00:19:53,994 Speaker 2: the table. 480 00:19:54,433 --> 00:19:57,443 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's the interesting thing. I, I definitely 481 00:19:57,443 --> 00:19:59,244 Speaker 1: think they tried to get her. They were like, if 482 00:19:59,244 --> 00:20:01,524 Speaker 1: we're gonna do this documentary, we need to get Tyra Banks. 483 00:20:01,573 --> 00:20:03,843 Speaker 1: They put the request in, but it was going ahead 484 00:20:03,843 --> 00:20:06,164 Speaker 1: with or without her. And so then she came in 485 00:20:06,164 --> 00:20:08,443 Speaker 1: last minute and I guess because she didn't know who 486 00:20:08,443 --> 00:20:10,504 Speaker 1: else was being interviewed, what they were doing, what they 487 00:20:10,504 --> 00:20:13,004 Speaker 1: were talking about, she thought she could just give these 488 00:20:13,004 --> 00:20:16,154 Speaker 1: big platitude statements and it would play against like the 489 00:20:16,154 --> 00:20:16,842 Speaker 1: glossy black drop. 490 00:20:16,958 --> 00:20:19,759 Speaker 1: Of the show and it would be fine and if 491 00:20:19,759 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 1: she had known that like Shandy was gonna be talking 492 00:20:22,239 --> 00:20:24,259 Speaker 1: about her sexual assault, Danielle was going to be talking 493 00:20:24,259 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: about like, how they like took her body autonomy away, 494 00:20:26,919 --> 00:20:30,388 Speaker 1: then I'm assuming she would have reacted differently. It's interesting, 495 00:20:30,438 --> 00:20:32,999 Speaker 1: I was listening to Jay Manuel on the Lady gang 496 00:20:32,999 --> 00:20:35,598 Speaker 1: podcast this morning, the episode just came out, and I 497 00:20:35,598 --> 00:20:37,039 Speaker 1: knew that would be a good interview cos he's like 498 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:38,989 Speaker 1: friendly with the host Kelsey Knight, you know how sometimes 499 00:20:38,989 --> 00:20:41,039 Speaker 1: you just tell your friend a bit more, and he 500 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:43,177 Speaker 1: was saying that Tyra hasn't reached out to anyone. 501 00:20:43,784 --> 00:20:46,233 Speaker 1: He said that he believes that she's probably in crisis 502 00:20:46,233 --> 00:20:49,414 Speaker 1: mode at the moment and damage control, and he was 503 00:20:49,414 --> 00:20:52,754 Speaker 1: also saying just like on looking back at the set now, 504 00:20:53,254 --> 00:20:55,973 Speaker 1: that she is such like a detached person and she 505 00:20:55,973 --> 00:20:58,983 Speaker 1: doesn't have many friends and she doesn't have many close confidants, 506 00:20:59,294 --> 00:21:02,414 Speaker 1: and that she probably didn't have anyone in her life 507 00:21:02,414 --> 00:21:06,813 Speaker 1: to tell her that, this, how this is gonna roll out. 508 00:21:06,933 --> 00:21:08,614 Speaker 1: He's like looking back now and he was being really 509 00:21:08,614 --> 00:21:09,614 Speaker 1: nice about her, he's like I don't, 510 00:21:09,794 --> 00:21:12,394 Speaker 1: So many things about that woman, I'm paraphrasing here, but 511 00:21:12,394 --> 00:21:13,504 Speaker 1: he was like, I know things that the woman could 512 00:21:13,504 --> 00:21:16,394 Speaker 1: destroy her, I'm never gonna say it. But he's like 513 00:21:16,394 --> 00:21:19,233 Speaker 1: looking back now, she wasn't my best friend, she was 514 00:21:19,233 --> 00:21:21,274 Speaker 1: my friend, but I was her best friend because she 515 00:21:21,274 --> 00:21:24,593 Speaker 1: doesn't have many people around her and she kind of 516 00:21:24,593 --> 00:21:26,874 Speaker 1: doesn't really know how to like move in those social 517 00:21:26,874 --> 00:21:31,093 Speaker 1: circles and things, and so that's why she acted so 518 00:21:31,093 --> 00:21:33,072 Speaker 1: like strangely when he emailed and wanted to get off 519 00:21:33,073 --> 00:21:34,933 Speaker 1: the show and that's why they haven't been in contact 520 00:21:34,933 --> 00:21:35,953 Speaker 1: and all these, 521 00:21:36,124 --> 00:21:38,933 Speaker 1: Different things and and was talking about the fact that 522 00:21:38,933 --> 00:21:41,473 Speaker 1: they didn't know she was gonna be in the documentary, 523 00:21:41,614 --> 00:21:44,213 Speaker 1: so all this stuff we're learning is just about how 524 00:21:44,213 --> 00:21:45,332 Speaker 1: it came together as crazy. 525 00:21:45,414 --> 00:21:46,103 Speaker 2: I don't feel like it's 526 00:21:46,103 --> 00:21:46,553 Speaker 2: over yet. 527 00:21:47,053 --> 00:21:48,933 Speaker 1: No, I don't think it is either. I mean, we 528 00:21:48,933 --> 00:21:51,693 Speaker 1: know that there's another documentary kind of in the works 529 00:21:51,693 --> 00:21:53,134 Speaker 1: but with different people, we haven't got a lot of 530 00:21:53,134 --> 00:21:56,374 Speaker 1: info on that. We know that like Jay Manuel is 531 00:21:56,374 --> 00:21:59,134 Speaker 1: now in full like, because he's got that book reality 532 00:21:59,134 --> 00:22:00,933 Speaker 1: check and stuff, he's like there's stuff happening with that, 533 00:22:01,014 --> 00:22:02,213 Speaker 1: he's doing promo. 534 00:22:02,593 --> 00:22:05,023 Speaker 1: There's a lot more contestants are coming out, I think 535 00:22:05,024 --> 00:22:07,114 Speaker 1: a lot more will come out. I think everyone's just 536 00:22:07,114 --> 00:22:10,073 Speaker 1: really waiting for Tyra to speak, and I don't think 537 00:22:10,073 --> 00:22:12,374 Speaker 1: she will. I think she'll do an ice-cream commercial or something. 538 00:22:13,313 --> 00:22:16,394 Speaker 1: I honestly think she's churning butter, yeah, something like that. 539 00:22:16,553 --> 00:22:18,473 Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll link our review of the doco in 540 00:22:18,473 --> 00:22:19,994 Speaker 1: the show notes if you haven't listened to that. We 541 00:22:19,994 --> 00:22:22,353 Speaker 1: talked about it for like an hour, but yeah, the 542 00:22:22,353 --> 00:22:24,333 Speaker 1: fallout is immense and still happening. 543 00:22:25,703 --> 00:22:27,794 Speaker 1: So onto a story a little closer to home, but 544 00:22:27,794 --> 00:22:30,634 Speaker 1: equally as scandalous I would say, and that is the 545 00:22:30,634 --> 00:22:35,313 Speaker 1: current fallout between Australia's most famous radio duo Kyle Sandilands 546 00:22:35,313 --> 00:22:38,513 Speaker 1: and Jackie O. Henderson. So a couple of days ago now, 547 00:22:38,614 --> 00:22:41,273 Speaker 1: they were just doing their normal show, bantering away, they 548 00:22:41,274 --> 00:22:43,654 Speaker 1: were talking about Prince Andrew and the whole situation. 549 00:22:44,004 --> 00:22:49,034 Speaker 1: And then what was a normal segment quickly evolved into 550 00:22:49,453 --> 00:22:52,364 Speaker 1: what feels like their most personal and cutting fight that 551 00:22:52,364 --> 00:22:53,553 Speaker 1: they've ever had on air. 552 00:22:53,973 --> 00:22:57,453 Speaker 2: It's affecting other things like your fixation on this has 553 00:22:57,453 --> 00:22:59,994 Speaker 2: made you almost unworkable. 554 00:23:00,494 --> 00:23:04,513 Speaker 2: Oh, it's not that bad, Brooklyn. I'm not, you're not talking. 555 00:23:04,614 --> 00:23:07,973 Speaker 2: I'm talking that like that's not fair. Like I, it's 556 00:23:07,973 --> 00:23:10,614 Speaker 2: but it's, but it's actually true. Like you, you, you, 557 00:23:10,733 --> 00:23:12,534 Speaker 2: you might have done that in 5 minutes, but you're 558 00:23:12,534 --> 00:23:15,293 Speaker 2: off with the fairies with tell me where, no, no, no, 559 00:23:15,414 --> 00:23:17,223 Speaker 2: tell me where I've been off with the fairies during 560 00:23:17,223 --> 00:23:18,654 Speaker 2: the show. I don't have to. I don't have to 561 00:23:18,654 --> 00:23:21,534 Speaker 2: prove anything. You can't accuse me of doing something. Listen 562 00:23:21,534 --> 00:23:23,693 Speaker 2: to the, listen to the program, you'll. 563 00:23:24,139 --> 00:23:27,789 Speaker 2: I would never say things like that about you. You 564 00:23:27,789 --> 00:23:30,217 Speaker 2: have no idea how much because I'm not doing that. Yeah, 565 00:23:30,539 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: because you make out like you sit there like you're perfect. 566 00:23:33,619 --> 00:23:35,978 Speaker 2: There are so many things that you don't do. It's 567 00:23:35,978 --> 00:23:37,908 Speaker 2: a lot, it's very heated. Yeah, 568 00:23:38,019 --> 00:23:40,458 Speaker 1: it's a lot, and obviously this is a radio duo 569 00:23:40,458 --> 00:23:42,499 Speaker 1: and they've been on air together for like well over 570 00:23:42,499 --> 00:23:45,898 Speaker 1: 20 years now, and I think the listeners are really 571 00:23:45,899 --> 00:23:47,138 Speaker 1: used to hearing the. 572 00:23:47,223 --> 00:23:48,614 Speaker 1: He's very, that's their thing 573 00:23:48,614 --> 00:23:49,213 Speaker 2: is 574 00:23:49,213 --> 00:23:51,223 Speaker 2: known for being like confrontational and 575 00:23:51,223 --> 00:23:51,504 Speaker 2: like 576 00:23:51,504 --> 00:23:53,583 Speaker 1: a lot of people know him, yeah, he's, yeah, he's 577 00:23:53,583 --> 00:23:56,543 Speaker 1: puts out controversial comments. He and Jackie O have clashed 578 00:23:56,544 --> 00:23:58,983 Speaker 1: on air many times before. That's kind of their thing, 579 00:23:59,024 --> 00:24:01,624 Speaker 1: they have very different interests and they seem to make 580 00:24:01,624 --> 00:24:03,884 Speaker 1: it work because there's been this whole like friendship and 581 00:24:03,884 --> 00:24:06,843 Speaker 1: like love between them for many years, like platonic friend 582 00:24:06,843 --> 00:24:10,323 Speaker 1: work love that really shines through their partnership, but at 583 00:24:10,323 --> 00:24:10,543 Speaker 1: the same, 584 00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:13,608 Speaker 1: they have a lot of on-air clashes, but it felt 585 00:24:13,608 --> 00:24:16,108 Speaker 1: so kind of like you can feel the shock I 586 00:24:16,108 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: think from Jackie Yo, 587 00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:17,629 Speaker 2: like we should 588 00:24:17,629 --> 00:24:20,228 Speaker 2: be listening, like if you're bringing someone that you work with, 589 00:24:20,308 --> 00:24:23,299 Speaker 2: someone that you're supposedly friends with to tears on air, 590 00:24:23,629 --> 00:24:25,828 Speaker 2: it just feels extremely inappropriate, 591 00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:28,259 Speaker 1: and it feels like she was really very caught off 592 00:24:28,259 --> 00:24:30,549 Speaker 1: guard because they were just doing a normal segment, to 593 00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:32,869 Speaker 1: have what was obviously something that he has been thinking 594 00:24:32,869 --> 00:24:34,049 Speaker 1: about for a long time. 595 00:24:34,353 --> 00:24:36,764 Speaker 1: Um, kind of just brought up in that context and 596 00:24:36,764 --> 00:24:38,833 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're having one of the most 597 00:24:38,833 --> 00:24:42,244 Speaker 1: serious conversations they've ever had about their career and their 598 00:24:42,244 --> 00:24:45,683 Speaker 1: life and everything on air, unplanned, and then they had 599 00:24:45,683 --> 00:24:47,044 Speaker 1: to go on with the rest of the show and 600 00:24:47,044 --> 00:24:49,322 Speaker 1: then after that it was confirmed that Jackie O would 601 00:24:49,323 --> 00:24:52,483 Speaker 1: be taking a few days off the show. Kyle said 602 00:24:52,483 --> 00:24:54,683 Speaker 1: that he's like, he didn't infer that he'd spoken to 603 00:24:54,683 --> 00:24:56,203 Speaker 1: her or anything like that, he just said on air 604 00:24:56,203 --> 00:24:58,154 Speaker 1: that he's been told she'll be taking a few days 605 00:24:58,154 --> 00:25:01,114 Speaker 1: off and she'll be back, so we're waiting for that moment, 606 00:25:01,124 --> 00:25:01,683 Speaker 1: but it has, 607 00:25:01,889 --> 00:25:05,619 Speaker 1: This huge talking point in Australia and because of the 608 00:25:05,619 --> 00:25:07,299 Speaker 1: industry they're in and because of the timing of the 609 00:25:07,299 --> 00:25:09,578 Speaker 1: year and all these things, a lot of people do 610 00:25:09,578 --> 00:25:11,458 Speaker 1: think it's a publicity stunt. Yeah, 611 00:25:11,578 --> 00:25:11,858 Speaker 2: I don't 612 00:25:11,858 --> 00:25:14,348 Speaker 2: think it is because at the end of the day, like, 613 00:25:14,499 --> 00:25:17,218 Speaker 2: she's not an actor and she can really hear the 614 00:25:17,218 --> 00:25:20,539 Speaker 2: emotion in her voice, like, imagine how frustrating it would 615 00:25:20,539 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: be to have spent your whole career defending this man 616 00:25:24,259 --> 00:25:27,218 Speaker 2: who is constantly coming out with like outlandish like shock 617 00:25:27,218 --> 00:25:29,358 Speaker 2: jock comments for him to turn around and say, 618 00:25:29,784 --> 00:25:32,703 Speaker 2: You're not good at your job, and when he mentioned 619 00:25:32,703 --> 00:25:35,342 Speaker 2: that everyone's saying this about you, everyone in this room 620 00:25:35,343 --> 00:25:36,733 Speaker 2: thinks that you're doing a bad job, 621 00:25:36,864 --> 00:25:39,263 Speaker 1: yeah, it was confronting to listen to. The thing is though, 622 00:25:39,343 --> 00:25:41,183 Speaker 1: when I first saw the headlines about this cos I 623 00:25:41,183 --> 00:25:43,504 Speaker 1: didn't listen to it live, but like because a lot 624 00:25:43,504 --> 00:25:45,384 Speaker 1: of people have the recording, it's now, you know, sort 625 00:25:45,384 --> 00:25:47,443 Speaker 1: of everywhere, you can easily find it to listen to. 626 00:25:47,744 --> 00:25:50,124 Speaker 1: When I first saw the headlines, Kyle and Jackie O have, 627 00:25:50,183 --> 00:25:51,973 Speaker 1: you know, fight on air, she leaves the show, I 628 00:25:51,973 --> 00:25:52,342 Speaker 1: was like if I, 629 00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: A dollar, you know what I mean, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 630 00:25:55,081 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: because I just thought they had like a little, you know, 631 00:25:56,681 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: beef in the studio as she walked out, but then 632 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,921 Speaker 1: she came back and like, they and other radio stars 633 00:26:00,921 --> 00:26:05,390 Speaker 1: often do play up these dramatic moments for ratings, but 634 00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:07,041 Speaker 1: I don't think, I, I agree with you that I 635 00:26:07,041 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: don't think this particular one is a publicity stunt just 636 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,201 Speaker 1: because it's like we always say with celebs and publicity 637 00:26:13,201 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: stunts like fake relationships or stuff like that. 638 00:26:15,618 --> 00:26:18,118 Speaker 1: You've got a team working on these stunts, so everything's 639 00:26:18,118 --> 00:26:22,257 Speaker 1: well thought through, and the payoff has to be more 640 00:26:22,258 --> 00:26:25,557 Speaker 1: than the stakes of like what they're putting out there. Like, 641 00:26:25,577 --> 00:26:28,057 Speaker 1: if you're gonna pretend to date someone or something or 642 00:26:28,057 --> 00:26:30,777 Speaker 1: pretend to break up or something like that, the payoff 643 00:26:30,777 --> 00:26:33,608 Speaker 1: that you get has to be bigger than like, the 644 00:26:33,608 --> 00:26:35,537 Speaker 1: weight of what that story will be attached to you 645 00:26:35,537 --> 00:26:37,138 Speaker 1: and like what you have to go through to get it. 646 00:26:37,218 --> 00:26:37,797 Speaker 1: So I think, 647 00:26:38,084 --> 00:26:41,315 Speaker 1: With this, like, yes, everyone's talking about the show, but 648 00:26:41,315 --> 00:26:43,594 Speaker 1: everyone talks about the show a lot, and then Jackie O, 649 00:26:43,714 --> 00:26:46,055 Speaker 1: who has prided herself for many years and has a 650 00:26:46,055 --> 00:26:48,594 Speaker 1: reputation in the radio industry, in the media industry of 651 00:26:48,594 --> 00:26:51,234 Speaker 1: being a really hard worker and being really professional, then 652 00:26:51,234 --> 00:26:53,874 Speaker 1: she has to live with the stigma of being essentially 653 00:26:53,874 --> 00:26:56,915 Speaker 1: called out for letting her team down and being unprofessional, 654 00:26:56,954 --> 00:26:59,234 Speaker 1: and that's really bad, and I just don't think either 655 00:26:59,234 --> 00:27:00,795 Speaker 1: of them would have signed off on that. 656 00:27:01,313 --> 00:27:04,703 Speaker 1: And had their brand kind of tarnished in this way, 657 00:27:04,843 --> 00:27:07,404 Speaker 1: when they could have got headlines by like, having a 658 00:27:07,404 --> 00:27:10,803 Speaker 1: controversial celebrity on or like having a like or doing 659 00:27:10,803 --> 00:27:13,404 Speaker 1: like a big personal reveal or that something that wasn't 660 00:27:13,404 --> 00:27:13,924 Speaker 1: like that 661 00:27:13,924 --> 00:27:14,203 Speaker 2: builds 662 00:27:14,203 --> 00:27:16,483 Speaker 2: on the brand in like a positive way or like 663 00:27:16,483 --> 00:27:19,303 Speaker 2: makes people not like, definitely when Jackie O does return, 664 00:27:19,394 --> 00:27:21,404 Speaker 2: there'll be like that uplift, but then it will just 665 00:27:21,404 --> 00:27:22,943 Speaker 2: be back to business as usual, 666 00:27:23,223 --> 00:27:25,093 Speaker 1: yeah, and having her off the show is quite a 667 00:27:25,093 --> 00:27:27,884 Speaker 1: big deal too, like that is a big play for 668 00:27:27,884 --> 00:27:28,404 Speaker 1: a publicity. 669 00:27:29,047 --> 00:27:30,696 Speaker 1: I understand why people are saying it though, because they're 670 00:27:30,697 --> 00:27:33,937 Speaker 1: in that time of year with the ratings, radio ratings 671 00:27:33,937 --> 00:27:35,537 Speaker 1: is like such a mystery to me and it's such 672 00:27:35,537 --> 00:27:38,417 Speaker 1: a wild system where people still fill in those booklets 673 00:27:38,417 --> 00:27:40,776 Speaker 1: and people fill in the electronic booklets and like, you 674 00:27:40,777 --> 00:27:42,457 Speaker 1: have to remember to fill them in and all this 675 00:27:42,457 --> 00:27:44,457 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, like it's such a crazy system. It's 676 00:27:44,457 --> 00:27:46,437 Speaker 1: not like with our podcast downloads where we can just 677 00:27:46,697 --> 00:27:49,177 Speaker 1: look at the number and see exactly how many people 678 00:27:49,177 --> 00:27:52,598 Speaker 1: have listened in real time every second of the day. So, 679 00:27:53,258 --> 00:27:55,037 Speaker 1: from what I can see from a lot of media 680 00:27:55,037 --> 00:27:55,817 Speaker 1: outlets who, 681 00:27:56,151 --> 00:27:58,391 Speaker 1: the media have said about this is like we're at 682 00:27:58,391 --> 00:28:01,832 Speaker 1: the end of like one ratings period, coming into a 683 00:28:01,832 --> 00:28:04,151 Speaker 1: new one, so if you were gonna have a publicity 684 00:28:04,151 --> 00:28:06,791 Speaker 1: stunt this would be the time to do it, but 685 00:28:06,791 --> 00:28:07,992 Speaker 1: this doesn't feel like one. No, 686 00:28:08,072 --> 00:28:10,031 Speaker 2: and I think he actually did come back with a 687 00:28:10,031 --> 00:28:12,192 Speaker 2: comment on that, so when he was asked if it 688 00:28:12,192 --> 00:28:14,351 Speaker 2: was a stunt, he said, we don't put much effort 689 00:28:14,352 --> 00:28:16,071 Speaker 2: into anything, we would never plan 690 00:28:16,072 --> 00:28:16,712 Speaker 2: something like that. 691 00:28:16,832 --> 00:28:18,791 Speaker 1: I mean, he, from what we know about that show, 692 00:28:18,832 --> 00:28:20,192 Speaker 1: and the thing is we know so much about this 693 00:28:20,192 --> 00:28:22,381 Speaker 1: show because he doesn't, he doesn't plan to put effort 694 00:28:22,381 --> 00:28:23,352 Speaker 1: in and she does. 695 00:28:23,726 --> 00:28:26,206 Speaker 1: Um, and that's I, I guess because like their show 696 00:28:26,206 --> 00:28:29,025 Speaker 1: is so successful and it's such a cornerstone of Australian media, 697 00:28:29,125 --> 00:28:31,365 Speaker 1: whether you love it or not, we know so much 698 00:28:31,365 --> 00:28:33,885 Speaker 1: about how their show works, one because they share so 699 00:28:33,885 --> 00:28:36,436 Speaker 1: much of it, like they talk to each other about 700 00:28:36,436 --> 00:28:38,365 Speaker 1: things that are going on during the day, they have 701 00:28:38,365 --> 00:28:41,166 Speaker 1: their producers in there and their staff, like, you know 702 00:28:41,166 --> 00:28:42,995 Speaker 1: the names of the staff of people who are working 703 00:28:42,995 --> 00:28:44,645 Speaker 1: on the Kyle and Jackie O show because they get 704 00:28:44,645 --> 00:28:46,865 Speaker 1: brought on air for better or for worse, and so 705 00:28:47,245 --> 00:28:49,686 Speaker 1: we kind of know that like Jackie has always been 706 00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:50,726 Speaker 1: like the, she, 707 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,219 Speaker 1: He's the one who comes in like I've planned the 708 00:28:52,219 --> 00:28:54,660 Speaker 1: segments and stuff and then we know that Kyl often 709 00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:57,420 Speaker 1: says like, I just come in and talk, but he's 710 00:28:57,420 --> 00:29:00,300 Speaker 1: just magic on radio, like I don't, I disagree with 711 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:03,259 Speaker 1: so much of what that man says. I've only ever 712 00:29:03,259 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 1: been on his side once is when he came, oh, 713 00:29:05,979 --> 00:29:07,780 Speaker 1: he came into the mummy studio and said it's too 714 00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:09,219 Speaker 1: hot in here, and I was like, thank you, it 715 00:29:09,219 --> 00:29:10,499 Speaker 1: is really hot in here. 716 00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:11,820 Speaker 2: He's been fighting that he's like 717 00:29:11,820 --> 00:29:13,940 Speaker 1: I do a podcast, this is our old, old studio, 718 00:29:14,060 --> 00:29:16,140 Speaker 1: not this one. And I was like, why am I 719 00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:17,979 Speaker 1: agreeing with Kyle Sandilands, he's the only one who. 720 00:29:18,593 --> 00:29:19,313 Speaker 1: Listens to me. 721 00:29:19,933 --> 00:29:20,353 Speaker 2: Um, he might need 722 00:29:20,353 --> 00:29:21,193 Speaker 2: a new host. Well, 723 00:29:21,443 --> 00:29:24,233 Speaker 1: there you go, I'll fill in for Jackie O, and 724 00:29:24,233 --> 00:29:26,154 Speaker 1: we'll just talk about the temperature in the room, which 725 00:29:26,154 --> 00:29:28,274 Speaker 1: I could talk about for a long time. And I 726 00:29:28,274 --> 00:29:29,664 Speaker 1: don't know Jackie that well, but I've met her a 727 00:29:29,664 --> 00:29:33,463 Speaker 1: few times at events and she's absolutely lovely. So welcoming. 728 00:29:33,514 --> 00:29:34,833 Speaker 1: Like I, I was on a standing on a red 729 00:29:34,833 --> 00:29:36,264 Speaker 1: carpet once and I was having just, to be honest, 730 00:29:36,323 --> 00:29:38,553 Speaker 1: the worst time, and I wasn't getting my interviews and 731 00:29:38,553 --> 00:29:40,713 Speaker 1: people were ignoring me and stuff, and she came past 732 00:29:40,713 --> 00:29:41,874 Speaker 1: and I said, oh hi Jackie, can I ask you 733 00:29:41,874 --> 00:29:43,593 Speaker 1: a question? I'm from Mamma Mia, and she's like, oh 734 00:29:43,593 --> 00:29:44,994 Speaker 1: my God, Mamma Mia, and she gave me a big 735 00:29:44,994 --> 00:29:45,713 Speaker 1: hug and it just made. 736 00:29:45,807 --> 00:29:47,327 Speaker 1: It made me feel so good for the rest of 737 00:29:47,327 --> 00:29:49,687 Speaker 1: the night. So we don't know these people, but we 738 00:29:49,687 --> 00:29:50,927 Speaker 1: kind of know a little bit. She seems 739 00:29:50,927 --> 00:29:54,128 Speaker 2: really sweet. Like I read her book, um, yeah, so 740 00:29:54,128 --> 00:29:56,608 Speaker 2: it's so interesting kind of to hear that back in, 741 00:29:56,927 --> 00:30:00,047 Speaker 2: you know, her experience with Kyle, they've been working together 742 00:30:00,047 --> 00:30:02,527 Speaker 2: for so long, like they met in their early 30s, 743 00:30:02,807 --> 00:30:06,807 Speaker 2: and also just knowing how much that relationship changes in 744 00:30:06,807 --> 00:30:10,207 Speaker 2: that time. Like if that's a 20 year working relationship, 745 00:30:10,327 --> 00:30:13,128 Speaker 2: not many people have that experience with a colleague. 746 00:30:13,563 --> 00:30:16,014 Speaker 2: So, it'll be interesting to see how they kind of 747 00:30:16,014 --> 00:30:19,573 Speaker 2: pick things back up because it just feels like they're 748 00:30:19,573 --> 00:30:22,014 Speaker 2: kind of bound by contract now because they've got this 749 00:30:22,014 --> 00:30:26,254 Speaker 2: massive 10-year contract, it's like to the value of $200 750 00:30:26,254 --> 00:30:29,644 Speaker 2: million and that's going until 2034. 751 00:30:29,933 --> 00:30:32,093 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my God, 20234. 0 my God, 752 00:30:32,183 --> 00:30:33,244 Speaker 2: how old will I be then? 753 00:30:33,453 --> 00:30:34,973 Speaker 1: I don't want to think about that. I'm not gonna, 754 00:30:35,093 --> 00:30:36,723 Speaker 1: I've stopped telling people my age, so I'll be the 755 00:30:36,723 --> 00:30:37,833 Speaker 1: same age I am now, I guess. 756 00:30:39,154 --> 00:30:41,693 Speaker 1: I just, yeah, that, that is honestly the more interesting 757 00:30:41,693 --> 00:30:43,634 Speaker 1: part of this conversation I think is not the publicity 758 00:30:43,634 --> 00:30:46,233 Speaker 1: stunt conversation because I feel like it's clear that it's 759 00:30:46,233 --> 00:30:50,473 Speaker 1: not and that's kind of like the expected conversation. The 760 00:30:50,473 --> 00:30:52,593 Speaker 1: more interesting one I think when she comes back on 761 00:30:52,593 --> 00:30:55,154 Speaker 1: air and how people kind of perceive this show is 762 00:30:55,154 --> 00:30:57,473 Speaker 1: like watching in real time. 763 00:30:57,884 --> 00:31:00,483 Speaker 1: This kind of not it's probably not the downfall but 764 00:31:00,483 --> 00:31:04,313 Speaker 1: it could be watching in real time, Australia's most, you know, 765 00:31:04,483 --> 00:31:09,723 Speaker 1: famous entertainment duo really, who have built their entire brand 766 00:31:09,723 --> 00:31:13,983 Speaker 1: on their relationship, watching that relationship falter in real time 767 00:31:13,983 --> 00:31:16,203 Speaker 1: and what the fallout will be, I think is the 768 00:31:16,203 --> 00:31:17,534 Speaker 1: more interesting conversation. 769 00:31:17,644 --> 00:31:19,703 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of pressure on them, like obviously 770 00:31:19,703 --> 00:31:22,504 Speaker 2: the ratings in Melbourne, I can imagine like they, 771 00:31:22,774 --> 00:31:25,524 Speaker 2: So much pressure to live up to the expectation of 772 00:31:25,524 --> 00:31:28,713 Speaker 2: this massive contract they have, so I'm not surprised the 773 00:31:28,713 --> 00:31:30,433 Speaker 2: joy has been sucked out of it. 774 00:31:30,634 --> 00:31:33,164 Speaker 1: Yeah, it, it seems like something that was happening behind 775 00:31:33,164 --> 00:31:35,044 Speaker 1: the scenes just bubbled over in front of the cameras, 776 00:31:35,114 --> 00:31:37,544 Speaker 1: which usually is their brand, but it didn't land this time, 777 00:31:37,754 --> 00:31:40,164 Speaker 1: and I think it's, it's also weird because I kind 778 00:31:40,164 --> 00:31:42,644 Speaker 1: of understand both sides of them. When you're like an 779 00:31:42,644 --> 00:31:46,713 Speaker 1: on-air duo, you really rely on the other person, like, 780 00:31:46,723 --> 00:31:47,683 Speaker 1: I'll never forget listening to, 781 00:31:47,764 --> 00:31:50,644 Speaker 1: This interview with Andy of Hamish and Andy, and he 782 00:31:50,644 --> 00:31:52,963 Speaker 1: was saying like the biggest thing for him is always 783 00:31:52,963 --> 00:31:56,044 Speaker 1: to set Hamish up for a really good joke or 784 00:31:56,044 --> 00:31:58,083 Speaker 1: for a really good moment and Hamish does that for him, 785 00:31:58,124 --> 00:32:00,044 Speaker 1: but he was like, even if I don't get the 786 00:32:00,044 --> 00:32:02,244 Speaker 1: laugh or the moment, if he gets the laugh then 787 00:32:02,244 --> 00:32:04,044 Speaker 1: we both get it. And I think about that a 788 00:32:04,044 --> 00:32:06,644 Speaker 1: lot too of like you're, yeah, it's like you're like 789 00:32:06,644 --> 00:32:08,244 Speaker 1: I I feel like when you're doing like a radio 790 00:32:08,244 --> 00:32:10,364 Speaker 1: show or a podcast with two people, it's like you're 791 00:32:10,364 --> 00:32:12,563 Speaker 1: in a life raft holding it. 792 00:32:13,174 --> 00:32:14,983 Speaker 1: And like if one of you lets go, you're both 793 00:32:14,983 --> 00:32:17,544 Speaker 1: gonna drown. And I, so I understand Kyle's being like, 794 00:32:17,624 --> 00:32:19,333 Speaker 1: well you let go of the life raft now we're 795 00:32:19,333 --> 00:32:21,784 Speaker 1: both gonna drown, like cos it's not the best metaphor, 796 00:32:21,823 --> 00:32:23,494 Speaker 1: but like, you know, you let go of the rope 797 00:32:23,494 --> 00:32:25,343 Speaker 1: that's holding us both over the cliff, now we're both 798 00:32:25,343 --> 00:32:28,223 Speaker 1: gonna fall, and so I understand his frustration, but then 799 00:32:28,223 --> 00:32:30,864 Speaker 1: with Jackie O I understand her frustration because if you're 800 00:32:30,864 --> 00:32:33,624 Speaker 1: a really professional person and like your life is your job, 801 00:32:33,703 --> 00:32:35,823 Speaker 1: the worst thing someone can say to you is like, 802 00:32:35,864 --> 00:32:36,784 Speaker 1: you're not showing up. 803 00:32:36,914 --> 00:32:39,044 Speaker 1: You're not caring, you're letting the team down. 804 00:32:39,053 --> 00:32:39,874 Speaker 2: And on air, 805 00:32:39,953 --> 00:32:43,754 Speaker 2: like this is an off-air private conversation with management, it's 806 00:32:43,754 --> 00:32:46,103 Speaker 2: not something you should be doing with the whole of 807 00:32:46,103 --> 00:32:50,634 Speaker 2: Australia listening and also just really personal attack, like while 808 00:32:50,634 --> 00:32:53,843 Speaker 2: he is talking about her work ethic and her professionalism. 809 00:32:54,034 --> 00:32:56,233 Speaker 2: There are a few little comments like he was saying 810 00:32:56,233 --> 00:32:59,593 Speaker 2: something about how this astrology obsession has like taken over 811 00:32:59,593 --> 00:33:00,713 Speaker 2: her life and obviously, 812 00:33:01,073 --> 00:33:04,124 Speaker 2: As someone that has had struggles that is extremely below 813 00:33:04,124 --> 00:33:06,563 Speaker 2: the belt, so I'm not surprised that she was so 814 00:33:06,764 --> 00:33:09,443 Speaker 2: upset by it. For someone you've got a working relationship, 815 00:33:09,524 --> 00:33:10,683 Speaker 2: I just keep bringing it back to that, 816 00:33:10,764 --> 00:33:14,044 Speaker 1: like it's just, yeah, it's such an interesting like kind 817 00:33:14,044 --> 00:33:17,164 Speaker 1: of like media cultural entertainment story that we're watching unfold 818 00:33:17,164 --> 00:33:19,333 Speaker 1: in real time, and I guess we won't really know 819 00:33:19,333 --> 00:33:22,004 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen until she comes back on air, which 820 00:33:22,004 --> 00:33:23,963 Speaker 1: we've kind of heard is next week if that plan 821 00:33:23,963 --> 00:33:24,644 Speaker 1: still goes ahead. 822 00:33:25,044 --> 00:33:27,644 Speaker 1: And I'm so interested cos you know they're all working 823 00:33:27,644 --> 00:33:30,223 Speaker 1: behind the scenes now like, how do we, not just 824 00:33:30,223 --> 00:33:31,723 Speaker 1: conversations like how do we get the show going but 825 00:33:31,723 --> 00:33:33,544 Speaker 1: how do we handle her return. 826 00:33:33,914 --> 00:33:36,563 Speaker 1: And I wonder if maybe like, obviously the top segment 827 00:33:36,563 --> 00:33:38,624 Speaker 1: will be about that, will the whole show be them, 828 00:33:38,764 --> 00:33:42,264 Speaker 1: like will they unpack it live on air session? Yeah, maybe. 829 00:33:42,723 --> 00:33:44,524 Speaker 1: I just, if I was them, and again I don't 830 00:33:44,524 --> 00:33:47,244 Speaker 1: really know breakfast radio, so don't take this advice, but 831 00:33:47,244 --> 00:33:49,514 Speaker 1: I would just make the whole show just them unpacking 832 00:33:49,514 --> 00:33:52,433 Speaker 1: it live. That's how they've built their brand, that's what 833 00:33:52,433 --> 00:33:54,083 Speaker 1: will make this like a big moment, and it's the 834 00:33:54,083 --> 00:33:55,323 Speaker 1: only way I think the audience will, 835 00:33:55,399 --> 00:33:57,879 Speaker 1: Kind of believe, if they come back and say they 836 00:33:57,879 --> 00:34:00,198 Speaker 1: reconcile behind the scenes and gloss over it, I feel 837 00:34:00,198 --> 00:34:02,279 Speaker 1: like their audience, especially the audience they're trying to get 838 00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:05,958 Speaker 1: in Melbourne and other states, that's not their original Sydney audience, 839 00:34:05,999 --> 00:34:08,458 Speaker 1: will kind of feel like let down, shut out by them, 840 00:34:09,067 --> 00:34:11,159 Speaker 1: and so they have to bring them in, but yeah, 841 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:11,358 Speaker 2: I 842 00:34:11,357 --> 00:34:13,198 Speaker 2: think they have to address it because otherwise it's just, 843 00:34:13,308 --> 00:34:13,438 Speaker 2: oh 844 00:34:13,438 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 1: they'll address it, can you imagine if they just came 845 00:34:14,919 --> 00:34:16,859 Speaker 1: on like nothing happened, that would be quite funny. 846 00:34:17,614 --> 00:34:19,634 Speaker 2: I just feel like this poor woman, 847 00:34:19,734 --> 00:34:22,224 Speaker 1: I know and paparazzi following her everywhere. I'm just like, 848 00:34:22,234 --> 00:34:23,694 Speaker 1: let the woman go out in Bondi in her white 849 00:34:23,694 --> 00:34:26,414 Speaker 1: top and get a coffee. Leave her alone, so I 850 00:34:26,414 --> 00:34:28,033 Speaker 1: guess we'll see what happens next week. 851 00:34:28,694 --> 00:34:30,674 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening to the spill today. If 852 00:34:30,674 --> 00:34:33,292 Speaker 2: you want more, head over to our YouTube channel for 853 00:34:33,293 --> 00:34:36,313 Speaker 2: exclusive behind the scenes content, link in the show notes, 854 00:34:36,573 --> 00:34:39,013 Speaker 2: and Morning Tea drops a new episode Monday to Thursday 855 00:34:39,013 --> 00:34:40,974 Speaker 2: to keep you up to speed on all the celebrity 856 00:34:40,974 --> 00:34:43,373 Speaker 2: headlines before you get into work. You can find it 857 00:34:43,374 --> 00:34:46,243 Speaker 2: right here in this feed. We'll see you back here tomorrow, bye, 858 00:34:46,333 --> 00:34:46,813 Speaker 2: bye.