1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,934 --> 00:00:22,134 Speaker 2: Hi. 5 00:00:22,254 --> 00:00:25,574 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mummamy's twice daily news podcast, 6 00:00:25,614 --> 00:00:29,774 Speaker 1: The Quickie. Have you ever thought about faking your own death? No, 7 00:00:30,374 --> 00:00:32,694 Speaker 1: then you'd be in the majority. But there are a 8 00:00:32,694 --> 00:00:35,374 Speaker 1: few real life people out there, not just characters in 9 00:00:35,454 --> 00:00:38,814 Speaker 1: movies or TV shows, who have legitimately taken steps to 10 00:00:38,854 --> 00:00:41,974 Speaker 1: convince the world they're no longer with us for financial gain, 11 00:00:42,134 --> 00:00:45,014 Speaker 1: to escape a potential conviction, or because of life they 12 00:00:45,014 --> 00:00:48,294 Speaker 1: were living just got a little too complicated. Today, we'll 13 00:00:48,294 --> 00:00:50,734 Speaker 1: find out what happens to those who have busted faking 14 00:00:50,774 --> 00:00:52,894 Speaker 1: it and why a perk woman found out the hard 15 00:00:52,894 --> 00:00:55,254 Speaker 1: way that trying to convince the world you're dead in 16 00:00:55,294 --> 00:00:58,454 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four is no easy feat. But before we 17 00:00:58,534 --> 00:01:00,814 Speaker 1: do that, let's get the latest from the Quikie newsroom. Friday, 18 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:04,734 Speaker 1: November eight, people in the crowd shed tears as Kamala 19 00:01:04,814 --> 00:01:07,614 Speaker 1: Harris officially conceded the US election yesterday. 20 00:01:07,774 --> 00:01:10,774 Speaker 3: The outcome of this election is nice. What we wanted, 21 00:01:11,814 --> 00:01:16,414 Speaker 3: not what we fought for, not what we voted for 22 00:01:17,534 --> 00:01:22,774 Speaker 3: but hear me when I say the light of America's 23 00:01:22,854 --> 00:01:33,934 Speaker 3: promise will always burn bright as long as we never 24 00:01:34,134 --> 00:01:38,334 Speaker 3: give up and as long as we keep fighting. 25 00:01:39,454 --> 00:01:42,854 Speaker 1: President Joe Biden also delivered a speech calling for unity 26 00:01:43,014 --> 00:01:45,214 Speaker 1: and to turn down the temperature campaigns. 27 00:01:45,214 --> 00:01:50,654 Speaker 4: Your contest of competing visions, the country chooses one or 28 00:01:50,694 --> 00:01:55,774 Speaker 4: the other. We accept the choice the country made. I've 29 00:01:55,814 --> 00:02:01,094 Speaker 4: said many times, you can't love your country only when 30 00:02:01,134 --> 00:02:01,574 Speaker 4: you win. 31 00:02:02,134 --> 00:02:04,254 Speaker 1: Now that the dust has settled on the twenty twenty 32 00:02:04,254 --> 00:02:07,614 Speaker 1: four presidential election, with Donald Trump returning to the White House, 33 00:02:07,854 --> 00:02:10,054 Speaker 1: the focus is now shifting as to what a Trump 34 00:02:10,094 --> 00:02:13,494 Speaker 1: administration two point zero will look like. Emilia Lester is 35 00:02:13,534 --> 00:02:16,614 Speaker 1: the deputy editor of Foreign Policy magazine and Muma Me's 36 00:02:16,734 --> 00:02:20,174 Speaker 1: US correspondent. She says RFK, who's been called an anti 37 00:02:20,294 --> 00:02:22,974 Speaker 1: vaccerine in recent years and who decided to throw his 38 00:02:23,014 --> 00:02:26,414 Speaker 1: support behind Trump after initially running as an independent, will 39 00:02:26,454 --> 00:02:27,774 Speaker 1: most likely play a role. 40 00:02:27,934 --> 00:02:30,774 Speaker 2: There was some thinking that maybe Trump had just brought 41 00:02:30,814 --> 00:02:33,414 Speaker 2: him in in a strategic way to sort of get 42 00:02:33,454 --> 00:02:36,614 Speaker 2: his votes, but it does look like he's pretty serious 43 00:02:36,654 --> 00:02:40,454 Speaker 2: about giving him a role in the administration, possibly as 44 00:02:40,654 --> 00:02:42,814 Speaker 2: the head of the Health Department. As you mentioned, he 45 00:02:42,934 --> 00:02:47,134 Speaker 2: has reassured us that he won't take away anybody's vaccines. 46 00:02:47,574 --> 00:02:50,494 Speaker 2: He's rejected the idea that his anti vaccine, but he 47 00:02:50,574 --> 00:02:53,814 Speaker 2: has repeated claims that vaccines are linked to autism, which 48 00:02:53,854 --> 00:02:57,654 Speaker 2: is not an accurate thing to say. He's also talked 49 00:02:57,654 --> 00:03:01,534 Speaker 2: about removing fluoride from drinking water, and he's also talked 50 00:03:01,574 --> 00:03:05,014 Speaker 2: about various ingredients in America's foods that he wants to 51 00:03:05,054 --> 00:03:08,254 Speaker 2: remove which are making kids sick. He hasn't gone into 52 00:03:08,294 --> 00:03:10,814 Speaker 2: detail about those ingredients. 53 00:03:10,454 --> 00:03:13,134 Speaker 1: Are, she says. While Ivanka was standing next to her 54 00:03:13,214 --> 00:03:15,894 Speaker 1: dad on the stage on election night, it's doubtful she'll 55 00:03:15,934 --> 00:03:17,174 Speaker 1: again return to Washington. 56 00:03:17,414 --> 00:03:20,654 Speaker 2: It was interesting that Ivanka showed up on stage with 57 00:03:20,814 --> 00:03:24,494 Speaker 2: Jared Kushner. My sense is, though, that she likes the 58 00:03:24,494 --> 00:03:28,814 Speaker 2: photo opportunity. She attempted something of a rebrand on Instagram 59 00:03:28,814 --> 00:03:31,734 Speaker 2: the day before the election. She has been pretty quiet 60 00:03:31,774 --> 00:03:34,494 Speaker 2: on social media, but she posted this quite long post 61 00:03:34,534 --> 00:03:37,574 Speaker 2: about things she's learned ahead of her birthday. 62 00:03:37,934 --> 00:03:38,374 Speaker 5: They were all. 63 00:03:38,334 --> 00:03:41,494 Speaker 2: Pretty ada dyne lessons, but it was interesting that she 64 00:03:41,574 --> 00:03:45,094 Speaker 2: took such a defiantly anti political stance so close to 65 00:03:45,134 --> 00:03:47,894 Speaker 2: the election on Instagram, which seems to me to indicate 66 00:03:47,974 --> 00:03:51,134 Speaker 2: that she's in no hurry to join a second administration, 67 00:03:51,214 --> 00:03:54,014 Speaker 2: and why would she be. Jared Kushner, by all accounts, 68 00:03:54,494 --> 00:03:58,654 Speaker 2: his private equity fund is doing great business, particularly with 69 00:03:58,734 --> 00:04:01,734 Speaker 2: golf states. I don't think they need the money. They 70 00:04:01,774 --> 00:04:04,774 Speaker 2: seem to be enjoying life in Florida and Palm Beach, 71 00:04:05,014 --> 00:04:07,774 Speaker 2: and I just can't see her giving that up to 72 00:04:07,814 --> 00:04:09,014 Speaker 2: move to Washington, DC. 73 00:04:09,014 --> 00:04:13,134 Speaker 1: Again, says billionaire Elon Musk has also been promised a role. 74 00:04:13,454 --> 00:04:17,334 Speaker 2: Elon Musk's an interesting one. There are over twenty active 75 00:04:17,414 --> 00:04:22,454 Speaker 2: investigations into his business ventures at various government departments right now. 76 00:04:22,494 --> 00:04:24,854 Speaker 2: One of the ones that I think he's most anxious 77 00:04:24,854 --> 00:04:28,494 Speaker 2: about is the Department of Transportation's investigation into his self 78 00:04:28,574 --> 00:04:32,334 Speaker 2: driving autonomous vehicles and whether or not they're safe. Trump 79 00:04:32,374 --> 00:04:35,174 Speaker 2: has said that he's going to give Mask a senior 80 00:04:35,254 --> 00:04:38,334 Speaker 2: role in the administration, and one would imagine that Mask 81 00:04:38,414 --> 00:04:42,654 Speaker 2: would be eager to oversee these various investigations into whether 82 00:04:42,774 --> 00:04:45,534 Speaker 2: or not he can proceed into big new business ventures. 83 00:04:45,854 --> 00:04:48,694 Speaker 1: Australia is set to ban social media for children aged 84 00:04:48,774 --> 00:04:51,654 Speaker 1: under sixteen in a bid to prevent young people from harm, 85 00:04:51,774 --> 00:04:55,054 Speaker 1: as the Prime Minister prepares to introduce new laws. Anthony 86 00:04:55,054 --> 00:04:58,214 Speaker 1: Albinezi announced on Thursday the government had agreed to introduce 87 00:04:58,254 --> 00:05:01,814 Speaker 1: a minimum aid for social media access, saying social media 88 00:05:01,894 --> 00:05:04,374 Speaker 1: is doing harm to our kids and he's calling time 89 00:05:04,414 --> 00:05:06,774 Speaker 1: on it. The Prime Minister saying he wants parents to 90 00:05:06,814 --> 00:05:09,094 Speaker 1: be able to say sorry, mate, it's against The law. 91 00:05:09,614 --> 00:05:11,934 Speaker 1: Proposal will go to a virtual meeting of the nation's 92 00:05:12,014 --> 00:05:15,614 Speaker 1: leaders today. The opposition earlier in twenty twenty four called 93 00:05:15,614 --> 00:05:19,134 Speaker 1: for children under sixteen to be restricted from accessing social media. 94 00:05:19,454 --> 00:05:23,014 Speaker 1: The E Safety Commissioner will provide oversight and enforcement, with 95 00:05:23,054 --> 00:05:26,254 Speaker 1: the legislation to kick in twelve months after it passes Parliament. 96 00:05:27,014 --> 00:05:29,814 Speaker 1: The plotline of the movie Outbreak is happening in real 97 00:05:29,854 --> 00:05:32,254 Speaker 1: life in the US state of South Carolina, but the 98 00:05:32,254 --> 00:05:35,414 Speaker 1: local police chief says there's almost no danger to the public. 99 00:05:35,854 --> 00:05:39,494 Speaker 1: Forty three reesis macaque monkeys have escaped from a compound 100 00:05:39,574 --> 00:05:42,894 Speaker 1: used for medical research after a new employee failed to 101 00:05:42,934 --> 00:05:46,254 Speaker 1: shut their enclosure properly. All the monkeys are female, weighing 102 00:05:46,254 --> 00:05:49,014 Speaker 1: in at about three kilos each. They're too young and 103 00:05:49,134 --> 00:05:51,654 Speaker 1: too small to have been used for testing at this stage, 104 00:05:51,734 --> 00:05:54,894 Speaker 1: so have not been infected with any diseases. The employees 105 00:05:54,894 --> 00:05:57,294 Speaker 1: of the company are now tracking them all down, enticing 106 00:05:57,294 --> 00:06:00,414 Speaker 1: them to return with treats, setting traps, and using thermal 107 00:06:00,414 --> 00:06:03,014 Speaker 1: imaging cameras to spot them out in the wilds of 108 00:06:03,054 --> 00:06:07,574 Speaker 1: the suburbs of South Carolina. One of Australia's oldest citizens 109 00:06:07,654 --> 00:06:11,054 Speaker 1: is celebrating her birthday today, turning one hundred and ten 110 00:06:11,534 --> 00:06:15,654 Speaker 1: down to choreographer, costume designer, artist and writer. Eileen Kramer 111 00:06:15,894 --> 00:06:18,534 Speaker 1: will celebrate her one hundred and tenth birthday at an 112 00:06:18,534 --> 00:06:22,654 Speaker 1: event organized by friends. An original member of the Bodenweiser Ballet, 113 00:06:22,774 --> 00:06:25,854 Speaker 1: Australia's first modern dance company, which she joined back in 114 00:06:25,974 --> 00:06:29,094 Speaker 1: nineteen forty as a twenty six year old, Eileen would 115 00:06:29,094 --> 00:06:32,574 Speaker 1: too of the world, spending sixty years living and working overseas. 116 00:06:32,934 --> 00:06:35,974 Speaker 1: She returned to Australia in twenty thirteen, saying she'd missed 117 00:06:35,974 --> 00:06:38,374 Speaker 1: the sound of kookaburrahs and the smell of gum trees, 118 00:06:38,694 --> 00:06:41,334 Speaker 1: but her career wasn't over. The then ninety nine year 119 00:06:41,334 --> 00:06:44,094 Speaker 1: old working in the dance and film industries, something she 120 00:06:44,254 --> 00:06:47,454 Speaker 1: enjoys to this day. Happy birthday, Eileen, That's what's happening 121 00:06:47,454 --> 00:06:49,654 Speaker 1: in the world today. Next, a Perth woman has found 122 00:06:49,654 --> 00:06:52,734 Speaker 1: out faking your own death for the cash will inevitably 123 00:06:52,934 --> 00:07:05,854 Speaker 1: bring you undone. Karen Steulkild was sitting on her couch 124 00:07:05,894 --> 00:07:10,134 Speaker 1: watching a movie one day when inspiration struck. What she 125 00:07:10,294 --> 00:07:13,214 Speaker 1: was watching has never been revealed, but the plotline of 126 00:07:13,254 --> 00:07:16,214 Speaker 1: that movie inspired her to do something many of us 127 00:07:16,294 --> 00:07:18,574 Speaker 1: might have maybe wandered about when life got a little 128 00:07:18,614 --> 00:07:22,774 Speaker 1: bit too much or too complicated. But realistically, no only 129 00:07:22,814 --> 00:07:27,534 Speaker 1: works in the movies, right, Yes, Karen faked her own death. 130 00:07:28,254 --> 00:07:31,854 Speaker 1: Maybe Karen had watched nineteen ninety nine's Double Jebardy, where 131 00:07:31,894 --> 00:07:35,694 Speaker 1: Ashley Judd's character Libby Parsons is accused of murdering her husband, 132 00:07:35,854 --> 00:07:38,094 Speaker 1: only to find out he'd faked his death to cash 133 00:07:38,134 --> 00:07:39,654 Speaker 1: in on an insurance policy. 134 00:07:39,934 --> 00:07:42,894 Speaker 2: Why aren't you listening to me? I am innocent. 135 00:07:43,614 --> 00:07:46,174 Speaker 1: Nick Fury pulled off faking his own death in Captain 136 00:07:46,214 --> 00:07:47,454 Speaker 1: America The Winter Soldier. 137 00:07:47,774 --> 00:07:50,654 Speaker 5: I'm glad you're hearing it, really, because I thought you 138 00:07:50,934 --> 00:07:53,214 Speaker 5: had Mick Kidd, you know how the game works. 139 00:07:53,814 --> 00:07:56,814 Speaker 1: And Robert Downey Junior Sherlock Holmes also pulled it off, 140 00:07:57,094 --> 00:07:58,174 Speaker 1: although we don't know how. 141 00:07:58,654 --> 00:07:59,174 Speaker 4: I agree. 142 00:07:59,214 --> 00:08:00,934 Speaker 3: It's not my best disguise. 143 00:08:01,134 --> 00:08:04,374 Speaker 1: As but the one that lives rent free in the 144 00:08:04,414 --> 00:08:06,814 Speaker 1: minds of anyone who grew up in the nineties. Is 145 00:08:06,814 --> 00:08:09,774 Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety one Julia Roberts Jump Scare through Rilla 146 00:08:09,854 --> 00:08:13,814 Speaker 1: Sleeping with the Enemy. Here, Robert's character Laura Williams Bernie 147 00:08:13,854 --> 00:08:16,494 Speaker 1: smashes a coastside light and then fakes her death by 148 00:08:16,534 --> 00:08:19,254 Speaker 1: falling overboard at sea and then making her way back 149 00:08:19,254 --> 00:08:22,534 Speaker 1: to shore using that broken light as her guide. For Laura, 150 00:08:22,774 --> 00:08:26,054 Speaker 1: a wedding ring that refused to flush would become her undoing. 151 00:08:27,414 --> 00:08:30,014 Speaker 1: People have actually faked their deaths in real life too, 152 00:08:30,134 --> 00:08:32,894 Speaker 1: and some, if they are true, have actually gotten away 153 00:08:32,934 --> 00:08:36,774 Speaker 1: with it, like an in law relative of Princess Diana. 154 00:08:36,974 --> 00:08:40,814 Speaker 1: Lord Lucan, the seventh Thirarl of Luken, disappeared in November 155 00:08:40,894 --> 00:08:44,334 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, leaving behind a murdered nanny and a 156 00:08:44,334 --> 00:08:48,014 Speaker 1: wife accusing him of assault. His car was found abandoned 157 00:08:48,014 --> 00:08:51,294 Speaker 1: with an empty bottle of prescription pills inside, making it 158 00:08:51,374 --> 00:08:54,614 Speaker 1: look like Lucan had died by suicide. But with wealthy 159 00:08:54,654 --> 00:08:58,094 Speaker 1: connected friends and no body ever found, the rumor is 160 00:08:58,414 --> 00:09:01,014 Speaker 1: Lord Lucan might still be on the run. His son 161 00:09:01,134 --> 00:09:03,934 Speaker 1: announced in twenty fourteen that they had legally declared his 162 00:09:03,974 --> 00:09:07,374 Speaker 1: father dead, but says his disappearance remains a mystery. 163 00:09:08,014 --> 00:09:11,254 Speaker 5: Mister, my father, known to most people as Lord Lucan, 164 00:09:11,414 --> 00:09:14,414 Speaker 5: as to be dead for all legal purposes from nineteen 165 00:09:14,454 --> 00:09:17,414 Speaker 5: eighty one. This does not mean that he or any 166 00:09:17,454 --> 00:09:20,374 Speaker 5: other person will escape prosecution for the murder of Sandra 167 00:09:20,414 --> 00:09:23,294 Speaker 5: Rovette in nineteen seventy four, should the police wish to 168 00:09:23,374 --> 00:09:26,374 Speaker 5: raise a prosecution. I want to take this time to 169 00:09:26,414 --> 00:09:29,374 Speaker 5: applaud the efforts to mister Neil Berrimant. You're justice for 170 00:09:29,454 --> 00:09:32,854 Speaker 5: his mother, our beloved family, Nanni. We extend our sympathy 171 00:09:32,934 --> 00:09:35,694 Speaker 5: to him and his broader family over and above that 172 00:09:35,734 --> 00:09:38,654 Speaker 5: our family has no idea how our own father met 173 00:09:38,654 --> 00:09:40,654 Speaker 5: his own end and whether he did, say at his 174 00:09:40,694 --> 00:09:43,334 Speaker 5: own hand or the hand of others, And that fake 175 00:09:43,414 --> 00:09:44,374 Speaker 5: for leaving. 176 00:09:45,174 --> 00:09:49,734 Speaker 1: Another british Man, this time politician John Stonehouse drowned in Florida, 177 00:09:49,774 --> 00:09:52,734 Speaker 1: also in nineteen seventy four, but two months later he 178 00:09:52,814 --> 00:09:56,174 Speaker 1: was found right here in Australia, living under an assumed name. 179 00:09:56,774 --> 00:09:59,134 Speaker 1: Now they originally thought that he might be the missing 180 00:09:59,174 --> 00:10:02,174 Speaker 1: Lord Lucan who we mentioned earlier, but after tracking him 181 00:10:02,174 --> 00:10:04,534 Speaker 1: back and finding he left behind some hefty debts. In 182 00:10:04,574 --> 00:10:07,734 Speaker 1: the UK, they convicted Stonehouse of fraud and he did 183 00:10:07,774 --> 00:10:11,014 Speaker 1: three years behind bars, having this interview on his release. 184 00:10:11,734 --> 00:10:13,134 Speaker 6: I don't want to go over my in case, but 185 00:10:13,174 --> 00:10:15,214 Speaker 6: I think as you've raised the point, I should make 186 00:10:15,294 --> 00:10:20,334 Speaker 6: this reply. I disappeared in extraordinary circumstances. I granted that, 187 00:10:20,534 --> 00:10:22,894 Speaker 6: which was part of the breakdown. I did not add 188 00:10:22,934 --> 00:10:26,414 Speaker 6: scone for any charges, and no charges were brought against 189 00:10:26,494 --> 00:10:30,054 Speaker 6: me until nearly four months after I had disappeared. 190 00:10:31,454 --> 00:10:34,534 Speaker 1: There's also the mysterious case of Olivia Newton John's ex 191 00:10:34,574 --> 00:10:37,774 Speaker 1: boyfriend Patrick McDermott. He went on a fishing trip in 192 00:10:37,854 --> 00:10:39,894 Speaker 1: June two thousand and five and was on a charter 193 00:10:39,974 --> 00:10:43,334 Speaker 1: boat off the coast of California when he reportedly went overboard. 194 00:10:43,654 --> 00:10:47,774 Speaker 1: His body has never been recovered. The cameraman also left 195 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:51,214 Speaker 1: behind some pretty substantial debts, including a backlog of child 196 00:10:51,254 --> 00:10:55,094 Speaker 1: support payments to his ex wife. Jemma bath Muma Mere's 197 00:10:55,134 --> 00:10:58,294 Speaker 1: news editor and host of the True Crimes Conversations podcast, 198 00:10:58,534 --> 00:11:01,414 Speaker 1: spoke to Poppy Damon, who followed the story for case 199 00:11:01,414 --> 00:11:04,374 Speaker 1: File and found there were some suspicious threads that could 200 00:11:04,374 --> 00:11:06,774 Speaker 1: be seen as someone setting up their own disappearance. 201 00:11:07,734 --> 00:11:11,294 Speaker 7: Philip Klein, this private investigator that you know, Olivia's bodyguard 202 00:11:11,494 --> 00:11:13,614 Speaker 7: had given him a copy of this and it said 203 00:11:13,694 --> 00:11:16,094 Speaker 7: I love you, I'll always love you, but ultimately we 204 00:11:16,174 --> 00:11:18,414 Speaker 7: have to end things here. We tried, so you track 205 00:11:18,494 --> 00:11:20,854 Speaker 7: that letter down, We couldn't. We went to that same bodyguard. 206 00:11:20,854 --> 00:11:23,814 Speaker 7: They couldn't confirm or deny its existence. So, just like 207 00:11:24,294 --> 00:11:26,534 Speaker 7: many parts of this story, it could be a red 208 00:11:26,574 --> 00:11:30,054 Speaker 7: herring and very hard to ever hold onto something solid 209 00:11:30,134 --> 00:11:31,334 Speaker 7: that proves something either way. 210 00:11:32,494 --> 00:11:35,654 Speaker 1: So which story was Karen Seal killed inspired by we 211 00:11:35,774 --> 00:11:38,334 Speaker 1: may never know, but her story is one that highlights 212 00:11:38,454 --> 00:11:40,774 Speaker 1: just how difficult it is to fake your death in 213 00:11:40,854 --> 00:11:44,654 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Most of these real life stories date 214 00:11:44,694 --> 00:11:49,454 Speaker 1: back decades before smartphones, before internet, banking and photoshop. But 215 00:11:49,614 --> 00:11:52,574 Speaker 1: Karen last year felt trapped. She was working as a 216 00:11:52,574 --> 00:11:55,814 Speaker 1: fitness instructor in Perth and was facing some serious debts. 217 00:11:56,894 --> 00:11:59,534 Speaker 1: A few years earlier, her partner, who she lived with 218 00:11:59,574 --> 00:12:03,534 Speaker 1: in Broome, had sadly passed away, leaving her the beneficiary 219 00:12:03,694 --> 00:12:07,214 Speaker 1: of a five hundred thousand dollars life insurance payout. A 220 00:12:07,294 --> 00:12:09,574 Speaker 1: year later, the mother of two returned to Perth and 221 00:12:09,694 --> 00:12:11,934 Speaker 1: bought an F forty five Jim as well as going 222 00:12:11,934 --> 00:12:14,294 Speaker 1: into partnership with her mother on a farm. She would 223 00:12:14,334 --> 00:12:16,334 Speaker 1: end up selling the farm for less than the value 224 00:12:16,374 --> 00:12:18,974 Speaker 1: to cover some of her mounting dead But it was 225 00:12:19,014 --> 00:12:22,854 Speaker 1: then the forty three year old became desperate. Her lawyer says, 226 00:12:22,974 --> 00:12:25,974 Speaker 1: inspired by the unnamed movie, she claimed she died in 227 00:12:26,014 --> 00:12:28,734 Speaker 1: a car crash in Broome in December twenty twenty three, 228 00:12:29,334 --> 00:12:32,454 Speaker 1: lodging a life insurance claim in February this year using 229 00:12:32,494 --> 00:12:36,814 Speaker 1: falsified documents, including a death certificate, funeral documentation and a 230 00:12:36,894 --> 00:12:40,974 Speaker 1: letter from the corridor. The insurance company paid out handing 231 00:12:40,974 --> 00:12:44,814 Speaker 1: the better fishery miss Selkild's ex partner, who had broken 232 00:12:44,894 --> 00:12:47,614 Speaker 1: up with her three years prior, more than seven hundred 233 00:12:47,614 --> 00:12:50,574 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, but that ex would never see a cent 234 00:12:50,614 --> 00:12:55,014 Speaker 1: of that money. Selkild had also falsified ID documents using 235 00:12:55,054 --> 00:12:58,974 Speaker 1: her ex's details, which she had access to after organizing 236 00:12:59,014 --> 00:13:02,694 Speaker 1: an overseas trip when they were still together. She superimposed 237 00:13:02,694 --> 00:13:05,454 Speaker 1: her own photo onto a driver's license and created a 238 00:13:05,454 --> 00:13:08,294 Speaker 1: fake email address, and with that she opened a new 239 00:13:08,294 --> 00:13:11,454 Speaker 1: bank account with a love life insurance funds would eventually drop. 240 00:13:12,134 --> 00:13:15,014 Speaker 1: It all seemed to be going to plan. She had 241 00:13:15,054 --> 00:13:17,694 Speaker 1: the money in her hands, but she had to use 242 00:13:17,734 --> 00:13:22,214 Speaker 1: it to pay off those debts. After transferring funds from 243 00:13:22,214 --> 00:13:25,694 Speaker 1: that account to creditors and then herself, alarms started to 244 00:13:25,734 --> 00:13:28,054 Speaker 1: ping at the bank and they flagged that account and 245 00:13:28,094 --> 00:13:31,974 Speaker 1: froze the funds. But Karen was determined to pull this off. 246 00:13:32,534 --> 00:13:34,494 Speaker 1: She went to a local police station to have her 247 00:13:34,614 --> 00:13:38,534 Speaker 1: ID documents verified, which they did, but then she would 248 00:13:38,574 --> 00:13:40,894 Speaker 1: alter them and try to submit them to the bank, 249 00:13:41,134 --> 00:13:44,254 Speaker 1: where they would foul the verification process, so she would 250 00:13:44,294 --> 00:13:46,654 Speaker 1: go back to the police to have them verified again. 251 00:13:47,454 --> 00:13:50,974 Speaker 1: Officers were unsurprisingly curious as to why she needed to 252 00:13:51,054 --> 00:13:53,974 Speaker 1: keep verifying those IDs, and in March this year, she 253 00:13:54,054 --> 00:13:58,454 Speaker 1: was promptly arrested. Then her story unraveled. Karen saukid Michael 254 00:13:58,454 --> 00:13:59,854 Speaker 1: Stamp from Channel nine News. 255 00:13:59,974 --> 00:14:01,614 Speaker 5: I'm just wondering why you fake your own death? 256 00:14:02,574 --> 00:14:04,254 Speaker 2: Who the hell? 257 00:14:04,414 --> 00:14:06,054 Speaker 5: Who are you guys? I'm not talking to you guys. 258 00:14:06,094 --> 00:14:07,174 Speaker 2: Why did you fake your own death? 259 00:14:08,694 --> 00:14:11,374 Speaker 1: Karen was charged with gains benefit by fraud and was 260 00:14:11,414 --> 00:14:14,934 Speaker 1: recently sentenced to three years behind bars. While her lawyer 261 00:14:15,014 --> 00:14:18,334 Speaker 1: described his client's behavior as a brain snap, Karen's sister, 262 00:14:18,414 --> 00:14:21,054 Speaker 1: who's been estranged from her for many years, told Channel 263 00:14:21,134 --> 00:14:23,574 Speaker 1: nine she wasn't surprised that she was capable of doing 264 00:14:23,614 --> 00:14:27,294 Speaker 1: something like this. Karen will be eligible for parole after 265 00:14:27,334 --> 00:14:30,734 Speaker 1: she serves half of that three year sentence. Thanks for 266 00:14:30,774 --> 00:14:32,574 Speaker 1: taking the time to feed your mind with us today. 267 00:14:32,734 --> 00:14:35,334 Speaker 1: The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy and our 268 00:14:35,374 --> 00:14:39,094 Speaker 1: executive producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by Lou Hill.