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Speaker 1: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop

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Speaker 1: culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura bretnick Hand.

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Speaker 1: On today's show, get your horses and carriages out, because

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Speaker 1: we're diving deep back into the BC time or is

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Speaker 1: Roman Empire where Paul Mescal killed everyone. We are going

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Speaker 1: to be doing much anticipated, broadly honest review of Gladiator too.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and we can watch us always in there if

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Speaker 3: you're not across our brilliant honest reviews, they are where

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Speaker 3: we let you the audience know they're coming. So you

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Speaker 3: a space for us to give our honest thoughts, behind

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Speaker 3: this thing that has we have been obsessing over us

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Speaker 3: since we saw it. And obviously spoiler alert, we're going

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Speaker 1: A full week which we are very kind people. We'll

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Speaker 1: give you a week to watch it.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, spoilers, yes, I mean Paul mescal said he

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Speaker 3: disappointed Paul, I'm just going to say that's on you.

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Speaker 1: You disappointed us.

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Speaker 3: So Gladiator two with what we're here today to discuss.

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Speaker 3: So first of a life to ask you a very

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yes? But I saw the original after it was announced. Yes,

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Speaker 1: how you went to the premiere. Many did not beas

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Speaker 3: We were sitting in the premiere and Paul Mescale had

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Speaker 1: What is Gladiator the first one about? Right? You can't

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Speaker 3: Well, just in case some of our listeners all also

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Speaker 3: the original movie is. No, no, your points did.

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Speaker 1: I was in that boat until like a month ago.

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Speaker 3: I just thought that everyone was sitting in the cinema

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Speaker 3: and that's the piece you'd made with what over God

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Speaker 3: So just in case anyone else is in that boat.

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Speaker 3: Gladiator came out in the year two thousand.

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Speaker 1: You've had twenty four years to watch it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, time is it digging historical epic drama directed by

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Speaker 3: the original movie, Russell Crowe plays a Roman general called

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Speaker 3: It's you know, It'siler four spoilers, classic guy, staff, betrayal, revenge.

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Speaker 3: henceforth instead of their character names. So Russell Crowe reduced

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Speaker 3: First of all, no talking during the movie.

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Speaker 1: You're interrupting me watching men kill themselves.

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Speaker 3: Second of all, I hate it when like, I guess

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Speaker 1: But it's more so when I want to see like

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Speaker 3: There's so many movies I go to and listen to

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Speaker 1: My mom does that all like opening credit. Yeah, She'll

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Speaker 1: gonna tell us. Okay, now we put that gripe out there.

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Speaker 3: Just a love letter to all of our friends and

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Speaker 3: Gladiator two takes place many many years, like well over

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Speaker 3: a decade after Gladiator one. And we know this because

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Speaker 3: the son of Maximus Lucius. Lucius was a child in

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Speaker 3: It must be said and will be said many times

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Speaker 1: So that is the biggest spoiler in the entire film.

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Speaker 3: I think people knew that growing in, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew it, But that's because, like we're Gladiator fans,

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Speaker 3: So after Maximus was killed, Lucius was like spirited away

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Speaker 1: Sure, I was watching an interview when they were doing

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Speaker 3: He's an angry, angry man. It has to be said.

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Speaker 3: He would agree with that. He would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I Oh, I feel bad for Paul, but you know what,

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Speaker 3: A rumor that we are starting here on this very podcast.

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Speaker 3: I mean the bad blood. This one's been around for

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Speaker 3: much sooner than twenty years. But Russell Crowe well, allegedly

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Speaker 3: It's funny because they kept having all these almost like

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Speaker 1: They tried so hard to make her look like Russell

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Speaker 1: My god, I wonder whose hand that was. I wonder

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Speaker 3: Know, to be Russell Crowe's hand. So that all happened, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Russell Crowe. He's still alive. But is his career? I

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Speaker 3: don't know. No, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. I

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Speaker 3: once bumped into Russell crow at a premiere and because

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Speaker 1: And that's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: And he looked angry at me, but he looked angrier

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Speaker 3: at all the people around us who were there to

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Speaker 1: So it starts off with Paul feeding some chickens, right,

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Speaker 1: He's like in his beautiful country home with his beautiful wife,

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Speaker 1: his hot hot They're the most good looking people in

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Speaker 1: And they wanted people to take them seriously. It reminded

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, And I think we talked about.

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Speaker 1: just ten times bigger than I imagine.

432
00:19:01,224 --> 00:19:03,104
Speaker 3: It's the sequel too, of the biggest movies in the world.

433
00:19:03,104 --> 00:19:04,904
Speaker 3: It's funny because really it's like, oh yeah, I jumped

434
00:19:04,904 --> 00:19:06,384
Speaker 3: on the zoom with Paul and gave him the role

435
00:19:06,464 --> 00:19:08,384
Speaker 3: after he saw him with normal people. And I'm just

436
00:19:08,424 --> 00:19:11,424
Speaker 3: imagine how that conversation went. Is like Scott saying, so,

437
00:19:11,464 --> 00:19:13,024
Speaker 3: do you want to be in Gladiator too? And Paul

438
00:19:13,024 --> 00:19:17,384
Speaker 3: going yeah, all right then and look it worked out.

439
00:19:17,584 --> 00:19:20,864
Speaker 3: And then Pedro Pascal I think he's in Gladiator. He's

440
00:19:20,864 --> 00:19:23,584
Speaker 3: in the Gladiator that the film. Pascal's like, shut up,

441
00:19:23,704 --> 00:19:26,584
Speaker 3: I'm the Gladiator. He's in the movie that the Gladiator

442
00:19:26,584 --> 00:19:28,304
Speaker 3: team want us think we're seeing, which is a very

443
00:19:28,344 --> 00:19:31,624
Speaker 3: prestige drama but very you know, based on history and

444
00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:35,024
Speaker 3: character development all those things. And then Denzel Washington is

445
00:19:35,024 --> 00:19:39,624
Speaker 3: an a Ryan Murphy TV show camp, crazy over the top,

446
00:19:40,024 --> 00:19:42,744
Speaker 3: having the time of his life playing a villain, and somehow,

447
00:19:42,784 --> 00:19:44,264
Speaker 3: all these men, it just works.

448
00:19:44,104 --> 00:19:47,624
Speaker 1: It just works, and somehow Denzel Washington is still the best.

449
00:19:47,904 --> 00:19:48,104
Speaker 3: Yeah.

450
00:19:49,784 --> 00:19:51,824
Speaker 1: Probably he's probably like now taking as a joke and

451
00:19:51,944 --> 00:19:53,864
Speaker 1: is trying like maybe I'll just try to like chill,

452
00:19:53,944 --> 00:19:56,144
Speaker 1: chill with this one. You're still Denzel watching.

453
00:19:56,464 --> 00:20:00,104
Speaker 3: There's such an opulent like kind of flair to his character. Macreatus,

454
00:20:00,144 --> 00:20:02,384
Speaker 3: we should say, although we just call him Denzel as

455
00:20:02,384 --> 00:20:04,064
Speaker 3: he goes through because you can see that.

456
00:20:04,024 --> 00:20:05,664
Speaker 1: He plays like a queer icon.

457
00:20:06,104 --> 00:20:09,304
Speaker 3: He's plotting, and he's dangerous, and he's moving all the

458
00:20:09,304 --> 00:20:10,864
Speaker 3: pieces around, and he's the.

459
00:20:10,784 --> 00:20:12,624
Speaker 1: One who he thought was safe and then we realize

460
00:20:12,624 --> 00:20:15,384
Speaker 1: he's not safe and he's actually insane.

461
00:20:15,104 --> 00:20:17,304
Speaker 3: And he'll shake your hand, pour your drink, and then

462
00:20:17,424 --> 00:20:19,544
Speaker 3: kill you. That kind of a villain because so many times,

463
00:20:19,584 --> 00:20:21,624
Speaker 3: just before he takes someone out does something, he's so

464
00:20:21,624 --> 00:20:23,544
Speaker 3: soothing and he's so calm, and he'll give you a

465
00:20:23,624 --> 00:20:25,304
Speaker 3: kiss on the cheek and he patting your head and

466
00:20:25,344 --> 00:20:27,704
Speaker 3: next met it, he'll stab you through the heart or

467
00:20:27,704 --> 00:20:30,064
Speaker 3: have your brother slit your throat or turn you out

468
00:20:30,104 --> 00:20:32,384
Speaker 3: of your home, like there's no stopping there. So true.

469
00:20:32,464 --> 00:20:36,064
Speaker 1: And also because Denzel Washington plays such like wholesome, like

470
00:20:36,104 --> 00:20:38,424
Speaker 1: the good guy, like he's the main good but he's got.

471
00:20:38,264 --> 00:20:38,864
Speaker 3: A lot of villains.

472
00:20:38,864 --> 00:20:40,544
Speaker 1: Over he had a lot of villains, but he's always

473
00:20:40,584 --> 00:20:42,864
Speaker 1: like the guy that everyone just wants to be. Like.

474
00:20:42,904 --> 00:20:43,864
Speaker 3: He's a good action hero.

475
00:20:44,104 --> 00:20:45,024
Speaker 1: He's so good.

476
00:20:45,104 --> 00:20:47,784
Speaker 3: He's a good, quiet dramatic actor, which is why it's

477
00:20:47,784 --> 00:20:49,904
Speaker 3: interesting that he chose to like he's one of those

478
00:20:49,944 --> 00:20:53,104
Speaker 3: actors where he can just like be very like very

479
00:20:53,224 --> 00:20:55,424
Speaker 3: still in a scene, but he can still carry the

480
00:20:55,464 --> 00:20:57,144
Speaker 3: drama of it, and you see the camera just like

481
00:20:57,224 --> 00:20:58,544
Speaker 3: finds him wherever he is.

482
00:20:58,584 --> 00:21:00,864
Speaker 1: He doesn't amag saying he makes everyone lean, then yeah.

483
00:21:00,664 --> 00:21:02,864
Speaker 3: He makes everyone leaning to him. I just imagine I've

484
00:21:02,864 --> 00:21:07,064
Speaker 3: got a yell for everything. Imagine people leading. But in

485
00:21:07,104 --> 00:21:08,824
Speaker 3: this you didn't just see he came in and he

486
00:21:08,904 --> 00:21:11,104
Speaker 3: was like, I can see other people around me maybe

487
00:21:11,144 --> 00:21:14,104
Speaker 3: going smaller and quieter, and I'm gonna go big and

488
00:21:14,144 --> 00:21:16,064
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stay big for the whole movie.

489
00:21:16,304 --> 00:21:18,544
Speaker 1: He comes across firstly as someone you feel like you

490
00:21:18,584 --> 00:21:22,664
Speaker 1: can trust, Like he almost is like a mentor to Lucius,

491
00:21:22,704 --> 00:21:25,224
Speaker 1: to like Paul Mescal where he wants Paul to be

492
00:21:25,304 --> 00:21:27,784
Speaker 1: like his best fighter. Yeah, and he's like, what do

493
00:21:27,864 --> 00:21:33,224
Speaker 1: you want? And Paul's like and then Delz and Washington's

494
00:21:33,264 --> 00:21:35,304
Speaker 1: like too much. But then he does it. He gives

495
00:21:35,384 --> 00:21:37,904
Speaker 1: him and he's like, here's your army. I've done my job.

496
00:21:38,104 --> 00:21:39,144
Speaker 1: What are you going to do for me now?

497
00:21:39,184 --> 00:21:40,664
Speaker 3: And then he's like, I want the head of General

498
00:21:40,704 --> 00:21:42,024
Speaker 3: Acacius and then yeah, and then.

499
00:21:41,904 --> 00:21:43,944
Speaker 1: Paul had to go and be like, actually, this is

500
00:21:43,984 --> 00:21:45,624
Speaker 1: not what I want. It's like, well, too late.

501
00:21:46,024 --> 00:21:47,744
Speaker 3: So I've drawn you away from your favorite part of

502
00:21:47,784 --> 00:21:49,144
Speaker 3: the movie, which I have to circle back to. So

503
00:21:49,184 --> 00:21:51,704
Speaker 3: that's that's where our players sit at this part. And

504
00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:53,904
Speaker 3: then they have the first task where they have to

505
00:21:53,944 --> 00:21:57,024
Speaker 3: even just see if all these slaves who they've brought in,

506
00:21:57,104 --> 00:21:58,704
Speaker 3: who was going to be strong enough to even be

507
00:21:58,944 --> 00:22:01,464
Speaker 3: up for auction as a gladiator, And that's where some

508
00:22:01,624 --> 00:22:02,424
Speaker 3: creatures come in.

509
00:22:02,704 --> 00:22:05,504
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, so I got really confused in

510
00:22:05,544 --> 00:22:09,264
Speaker 1: this scene because the first gladiator scene where the gladiators

511
00:22:09,264 --> 00:22:12,024
Speaker 1: are fighting, you think they're going to fight each other,

512
00:22:12,144 --> 00:22:15,584
Speaker 1: but then like there this herd of monkeys just come

513
00:22:15,624 --> 00:22:18,904
Speaker 1: out of nowhere ready to attack them. And I was

514
00:22:18,904 --> 00:22:22,864
Speaker 1: looking at these monkeys, and I was like, the monkeys

515
00:22:23,024 --> 00:22:23,864
Speaker 1: like this back then?

516
00:22:24,224 --> 00:22:24,824
Speaker 2: What do you mean?

517
00:22:25,144 --> 00:22:27,464
Speaker 1: They were like they were insane monkeys. They were like

518
00:22:27,504 --> 00:22:28,384
Speaker 1: dinosaur monkeys.

519
00:22:28,464 --> 00:22:32,424
Speaker 3: They I'm not completely sure that surely is not what

520
00:22:32,704 --> 00:22:35,064
Speaker 3: they look like back then. I mean potentially, I don't

521
00:22:35,064 --> 00:22:36,744
Speaker 3: know how much monkeys have changed over time. I guess

522
00:22:36,784 --> 00:22:38,424
Speaker 3: they have. Like the thing is, where would they have.

523
00:22:38,344 --> 00:22:40,744
Speaker 1: Got in shots? So I'm jumping her head, I'm jumping ahead.

524
00:22:41,264 --> 00:22:44,104
Speaker 3: Going back to the monkeys. So it's hard because they they.

525
00:22:43,984 --> 00:22:47,984
Speaker 1: Were smart monkeys as well. Yeah, like they knew they

526
00:22:48,064 --> 00:22:50,384
Speaker 1: knee to kill a man, and they knew they had

527
00:22:50,464 --> 00:22:52,624
Speaker 1: to kill a man in the first place. If I

528
00:22:52,704 --> 00:22:54,104
Speaker 1: was just a monkey there, I'd be like, oh what

529
00:22:54,104 --> 00:22:54,584
Speaker 1: am I doing?

530
00:22:55,144 --> 00:22:56,784
Speaker 3: How have they thought the monkeys from fighting each other?

531
00:22:56,904 --> 00:23:01,864
Speaker 3: Because each monkey an individual fighter a game.

532
00:23:02,984 --> 00:23:05,704
Speaker 1: They were sitting with Denzel Washington and watching it was

533
00:23:05,704 --> 00:23:06,584
Speaker 1: giving them a fight.

534
00:23:06,584 --> 00:23:09,224
Speaker 3: And they were weirdly like cgi monkeys, but in a

535
00:23:09,224 --> 00:23:12,904
Speaker 3: weird way. They like could that have been real? Apparently

536
00:23:12,904 --> 00:23:15,344
Speaker 3: they actually did. Used to put many different animals in

537
00:23:15,384 --> 00:23:16,624
Speaker 3: those arenas.

538
00:23:16,144 --> 00:23:19,904
Speaker 1: So troubles exist back like, yes, Emily, monkeys had been

539
00:23:19,904 --> 00:23:22,184
Speaker 1: around for a long time. But those kind of monkeys

540
00:23:22,184 --> 00:23:22,744
Speaker 1: were crazy.

541
00:23:22,824 --> 00:23:24,664
Speaker 3: The CGI monkeys, I think they knew.

542
00:23:24,584 --> 00:23:27,704
Speaker 1: They looked insane. They look like monkeys from like Planet

543
00:23:27,744 --> 00:23:29,544
Speaker 1: of the Apes, if the Planet of the Apes took

544
00:23:29,584 --> 00:23:32,024
Speaker 1: place in like twenty thirty four.

545
00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:35,544
Speaker 3: Yeah, they was an alien element to the monkeys. You're right.

546
00:23:35,584 --> 00:23:37,664
Speaker 3: And even though they were throwing those darts at them

547
00:23:37,704 --> 00:23:40,664
Speaker 3: through the different cracks in the coliseum to make them angrier,

548
00:23:40,944 --> 00:23:42,864
Speaker 3: they still I guess we're very targeted. But then also,

549
00:23:42,944 --> 00:23:45,944
Speaker 3: poor Mescal has a very kind of throw down moment

550
00:23:45,984 --> 00:23:47,304
Speaker 3: with the monkey that he's fighting.

551
00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:50,104
Speaker 1: He first tried to protect his friend, who tragically died.

552
00:23:50,264 --> 00:23:52,584
Speaker 3: Yeah he was, but he was ready to die.

553
00:23:52,664 --> 00:23:55,344
Speaker 1: He was like, it's my time. And then yeah, poor Mescal,

554
00:23:55,384 --> 00:23:56,944
Speaker 1: I don't know, pulled out some chain.

555
00:23:57,144 --> 00:23:59,144
Speaker 3: You're forgetting the moment where he bit the monkey's arm

556
00:23:59,464 --> 00:24:00,544
Speaker 3: and the monkeys screamed.

557
00:24:00,544 --> 00:24:03,624
Speaker 1: That was and they didn't have rabies shots back then,

558
00:24:04,104 --> 00:24:05,744
Speaker 1: so that was a gambling itself.

559
00:24:06,784 --> 00:24:09,104
Speaker 3: I just remember going, ew, what, I'm like, it's literally

560
00:24:09,144 --> 00:24:11,624
Speaker 3: germs the least if his proper imagine putting your mouth

561
00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:13,824
Speaker 3: on a monkey. I was like Poorman Scale, I would never.

562
00:24:14,824 --> 00:24:17,104
Speaker 1: And the monkey then like kind of respected him. For

563
00:24:17,144 --> 00:24:19,104
Speaker 1: a little bit, like there was a hot second with

564
00:24:19,184 --> 00:24:21,544
Speaker 1: a monkey looked at him and he was like, I

565
00:24:21,624 --> 00:24:24,944
Speaker 1: cannot believe he just did that to me. But honestly, reprospect,

566
00:24:25,224 --> 00:24:27,824
Speaker 1: he's like, he fights sturdy and I'm loving it. Somewhere

567
00:24:27,864 --> 00:24:30,224
Speaker 1: in the universe there is an alternate script where poor me,

568
00:24:30,304 --> 00:24:33,944
Speaker 1: Scale and the monkey form an alliance. And then we

569
00:24:34,024 --> 00:24:35,304
Speaker 1: have Land of the Apes.

570
00:24:36,704 --> 00:24:39,544
Speaker 3: This is actually the prequel prequel series put in the Apes.

571
00:24:39,584 --> 00:24:41,744
Speaker 3: Even though they've made lots of those, No one talks

572
00:24:41,784 --> 00:24:43,904
Speaker 3: about it. No one's going to talk about it except.

573
00:24:43,664 --> 00:24:46,104
Speaker 1: Us, okay. And then they had a few more animals,

574
00:24:46,104 --> 00:24:48,544
Speaker 1: so there were a lot of fight scenes, all like

575
00:24:48,744 --> 00:24:51,544
Speaker 1: one step bigger than the last ones. We had monkeys.

576
00:24:51,824 --> 00:24:54,144
Speaker 1: Then we had the rhinos scene, yeah, which.

577
00:24:54,024 --> 00:24:55,784
Speaker 3: I notize, I do believe they had back then in

578
00:24:55,824 --> 00:24:57,504
Speaker 3: the policy fights.

579
00:24:57,144 --> 00:24:58,784
Speaker 1: And we talked about how it's okay to use a

580
00:24:58,824 --> 00:25:01,024
Speaker 1: rhino because back then they weren't extinct and they didn't

581
00:25:01,024 --> 00:25:02,504
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen to rhinos now in twenty

582
00:25:02,544 --> 00:25:04,624
Speaker 1: twenty four, So they were like, it's fine to use.

583
00:25:06,304 --> 00:25:10,344
Speaker 4: I own you now, but whose head could I give you?

584
00:25:10,464 --> 00:25:15,784
Speaker 1: Satisfy your fury in general? Will do Rome has taken

585
00:25:15,864 --> 00:25:23,904
Speaker 1: everything from me, but I will have my vengeance. Yeah,

586
00:25:23,904 --> 00:25:26,784
Speaker 1: there's clinic of paying meeting for you in the next life.

587
00:25:27,464 --> 00:25:29,424
Speaker 1: I don't know why you are so greedy for it.

588
00:25:29,464 --> 00:25:32,664
Speaker 1: In this one, it will clear my path to the throng.

589
00:25:33,744 --> 00:25:34,944
Speaker 4: You will be my instrument.

590
00:25:35,864 --> 00:25:39,264
Speaker 2: I will never be your instrument in this life or

591
00:25:39,264 --> 00:25:39,864
Speaker 2: the next.

592
00:25:40,144 --> 00:25:42,624
Speaker 1: We then had the ship scene.

593
00:25:42,784 --> 00:25:45,704
Speaker 3: Yes, and now this brings me to my favorite part

594
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Speaker 3: of my notes I've made under a subheading called Ridley

595
00:25:48,704 --> 00:25:53,504
Speaker 3: Scott and the Sharks v. The Internet on No so really,

596
00:25:53,504 --> 00:25:56,264
Speaker 3: Scott does not like when people question his movies in

597
00:25:56,304 --> 00:25:58,984
Speaker 3: any way. He particularly doesn't like when people question the

598
00:25:59,104 --> 00:26:00,944
Speaker 3: historical accuracy of his movies.

599
00:26:01,184 --> 00:26:02,384
Speaker 1: He's protective of his art.

600
00:26:02,784 --> 00:26:05,784
Speaker 3: So when he released Napoleon, Remember did Napoleon movie? He

601
00:26:05,864 --> 00:26:08,744
Speaker 3: kind of didn't didn't really take off. Yeah, with Jaquing

602
00:26:08,784 --> 00:26:11,384
Speaker 3: in Phoenix, there were a scene that tended out to

603
00:26:11,384 --> 00:26:14,744
Speaker 3: be quite controversial. He does love a water scene. He

604
00:26:14,784 --> 00:26:17,024
Speaker 3: also loves a cannon scene. So in the scene he

605
00:26:17,064 --> 00:26:20,584
Speaker 3: has Napoleon fire cannons at the Pyramids and people got

606
00:26:20,664 --> 00:26:23,184
Speaker 3: very upset about it and saying it wasn't historically accurate.

607
00:26:23,544 --> 00:26:25,664
Speaker 3: How dare you? He wouldn't have done that. They didn't

608
00:26:25,664 --> 00:26:27,384
Speaker 3: have those type of cannons back then. Like people got

609
00:26:27,504 --> 00:26:28,264
Speaker 3: very intense.

610
00:26:27,984 --> 00:26:30,024
Speaker 1: Anything Napoleon respected the pyramids.

611
00:26:30,944 --> 00:26:33,504
Speaker 3: That was like, Dapoleon actually do that, You're like tarnishing

612
00:26:33,544 --> 00:26:36,584
Speaker 3: his name. And then really Scott didn't into the times

613
00:26:36,784 --> 00:26:39,144
Speaker 3: and they asked him, like big backlash to the cannon scene,

614
00:26:39,144 --> 00:26:41,144
Speaker 3: do you want to speak on that? And he said,

615
00:26:41,624 --> 00:26:44,264
Speaker 3: excuse me, mate, were you there? No? We'll shut the

616
00:26:44,264 --> 00:26:48,864
Speaker 3: fuck up then, And anytime anyone has asked me about

617
00:26:48,864 --> 00:26:50,624
Speaker 3: the cannons, he's like, were you fucking there? Were you

618
00:26:50,704 --> 00:26:53,224
Speaker 3: fucking there? No? Oh my god, And look he makes

619
00:26:53,264 --> 00:26:55,824
Speaker 3: it louse, you know what, We weren't there, and also

620
00:26:55,984 --> 00:26:57,744
Speaker 3: neither were you. But he's just saying we should all

621
00:26:57,784 --> 00:26:59,384
Speaker 3: like leave act making scenes.

622
00:26:59,384 --> 00:27:02,184
Speaker 1: No, unless you're making your alternative cannon scene, leave them alone.

623
00:27:02,584 --> 00:27:05,264
Speaker 3: So the scene in the movie, they flood the coliseum

624
00:27:05,344 --> 00:27:08,624
Speaker 3: with water and they have two different ships coming in.

625
00:27:08,704 --> 00:27:10,944
Speaker 1: So I thought the water would just sink through the well.

626
00:27:11,024 --> 00:27:13,944
Speaker 3: Apparently they actually did that. Yes, I went, Brad, I

627
00:27:13,984 --> 00:27:16,704
Speaker 3: went to the Colisseum this year. Whoa, that's right, Yeah,

628
00:27:16,944 --> 00:27:18,704
Speaker 3: And as I walked around, I was trying to just

629
00:27:18,744 --> 00:27:20,264
Speaker 3: listen to the history from the guy because it was

630
00:27:20,304 --> 00:27:21,144
Speaker 3: amazing and.

631
00:27:21,104 --> 00:27:23,344
Speaker 1: I'm going through a drought.

632
00:27:24,344 --> 00:27:26,504
Speaker 3: As I was doing the tour of the Colisseum in Rome,

633
00:27:26,544 --> 00:27:27,704
Speaker 3: I was trying to listen to the guide. I was

634
00:27:27,704 --> 00:27:29,384
Speaker 3: also trying to look for the cat that lives there

635
00:27:29,384 --> 00:27:31,744
Speaker 3: that apparently it like attacks people, but if you scratch

636
00:27:31,824 --> 00:27:34,424
Speaker 3: it's tummy, it rolls over. So that was really taking

637
00:27:34,504 --> 00:27:36,024
Speaker 3: up a lot of my time. But I also I

638
00:27:36,064 --> 00:27:38,344
Speaker 3: was thinking about poor Mescal and Pedro Pascal because I

639
00:27:38,384 --> 00:27:39,944
Speaker 3: knew this movie was coming out, and so I was

640
00:27:39,984 --> 00:27:41,904
Speaker 3: trying to store all the thoughts in my mind. And

641
00:27:41,944 --> 00:27:43,584
Speaker 3: the guy was saying that they did used to fill

642
00:27:43,624 --> 00:27:46,184
Speaker 3: the Colisseum with water. They did used to bring boats in,

643
00:27:46,384 --> 00:27:48,464
Speaker 3: and they did used to have a gladiators with different

644
00:27:48,504 --> 00:27:52,744
Speaker 3: people fight like a stage naval battle, either constructed in

645
00:27:52,784 --> 00:27:54,944
Speaker 3: a body of water natural or man made, or in

646
00:27:54,944 --> 00:27:56,864
Speaker 3: a building. And so there is some evidence that they

647
00:27:56,864 --> 00:27:57,984
Speaker 3: did fill the Colosseum.

648
00:27:58,184 --> 00:28:00,384
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, I mean tragic, but cool.

649
00:28:00,584 --> 00:28:02,264
Speaker 3: I don't want to see one be killed for fun.

650
00:28:02,344 --> 00:28:05,384
Speaker 3: But apparently when this movie came out, because as we

651
00:28:05,384 --> 00:28:07,264
Speaker 3: were watching, even though I had that in my head

652
00:28:07,304 --> 00:28:09,024
Speaker 3: that they had filled the Colisseum with water, as we

653
00:28:09,024 --> 00:28:12,624
Speaker 3: were watching this scene in glad Too, I was like, guys,

654
00:28:13,024 --> 00:28:15,144
Speaker 3: you've literally jumped the shark. And not just because there

655
00:28:15,144 --> 00:28:17,784
Speaker 3: are sharks on screen, but like it just seems so

656
00:28:17,904 --> 00:28:19,424
Speaker 3: silly of the way they were doing it with like

657
00:28:19,464 --> 00:28:22,424
Speaker 3: the sharks swirling around them, and then the boats were

658
00:28:22,424 --> 00:28:25,144
Speaker 3: on fire, and then different like gladiators kept getting knocked

659
00:28:25,144 --> 00:28:27,744
Speaker 3: off the boat, and then the sharks were like viciously

660
00:28:27,784 --> 00:28:31,144
Speaker 3: like them. Yeah, which we know unless they were like

661
00:28:31,144 --> 00:28:32,384
Speaker 3: I don't know, but like that's not sharks.

662
00:28:32,384 --> 00:28:34,264
Speaker 1: That's not real shark behavior. I don't get the sharks

663
00:28:34,264 --> 00:28:36,824
Speaker 1: in there. How did they find so many sharks? You're

664
00:28:36,864 --> 00:28:38,424
Speaker 1: all like big size sharks.

665
00:28:38,664 --> 00:28:40,184
Speaker 3: Family so many sharks.

666
00:28:40,584 --> 00:28:42,944
Speaker 1: Where were the baby sharks? I guess they have the

667
00:28:42,984 --> 00:28:45,304
Speaker 1: sharks before putting them, maybe because maybe that's why they

668
00:28:45,464 --> 00:28:47,944
Speaker 1: ate the men so quickly. The sharks eat themselves.

669
00:28:47,664 --> 00:28:50,424
Speaker 3: Because like sharks don't just see any kind of human

670
00:28:50,464 --> 00:28:52,144
Speaker 3: being and being like I'm just going to instantly, like

671
00:28:52,424 --> 00:28:54,064
Speaker 3: revenolessly attack that person.

672
00:28:54,504 --> 00:28:57,864
Speaker 1: Like there's different like eating people. I was listening to

673
00:28:57,904 --> 00:29:00,704
Speaker 1: an episode of The Quickie and they had a shark.

674
00:29:01,624 --> 00:29:03,984
Speaker 3: And they asked him where they're sharks in the Callers there. No.

675
00:29:04,064 --> 00:29:06,384
Speaker 1: They asked him like about like shark attacks on people,

676
00:29:06,864 --> 00:29:10,024
Speaker 1: and they said that shark attacks happen out of accident,

677
00:29:10,024 --> 00:29:12,064
Speaker 1: not because the shark wants to eat the person. Apparently,

678
00:29:12,104 --> 00:29:15,344
Speaker 1: people for sharks kind of like how we smell perfume,

679
00:29:15,424 --> 00:29:17,344
Speaker 1: like it smells good, so they kind of taste it

680
00:29:17,344 --> 00:29:18,864
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, but I can't actually eat that

681
00:29:19,304 --> 00:29:21,424
Speaker 1: for me, so doesn't make sense to me.

682
00:29:21,744 --> 00:29:24,264
Speaker 3: Well, really, Scott would beg to differ because I would.

683
00:29:24,144 --> 00:29:28,664
Speaker 1: Not tell Redley Scott, if you're listening, sharks, I love

684
00:29:28,664 --> 00:29:30,984
Speaker 1: the cgo sharks. I think it's completely believable.

685
00:29:31,024 --> 00:29:32,904
Speaker 3: Well, during the press too, someone did ask him from

686
00:29:32,904 --> 00:29:35,584
Speaker 3: Collider and they said the sharks weren't there in real life,

687
00:29:35,664 --> 00:29:39,144
Speaker 3: and Ridley Scott said, you're dead wrong. The colosseum did

688
00:29:39,184 --> 00:29:41,704
Speaker 3: flood with water and there were sea battles. Dude, if

689
00:29:41,704 --> 00:29:43,864
Speaker 3: you can build a colosseum, you can flood it with

690
00:29:43,944 --> 00:29:46,184
Speaker 3: fucking water, are you kidding? And to get a couple

691
00:29:46,264 --> 00:29:48,344
Speaker 3: of sharks in a net from the sea, are you kidding?

692
00:29:48,424 --> 00:29:53,224
Speaker 3: Of course they can, Yeah, you're idiot. I love how

693
00:29:53,264 --> 00:29:54,704
Speaker 3: we just had a conversation about how to get the

694
00:29:54,744 --> 00:29:56,224
Speaker 3: sharks in and he's just like, what do you mean,

695
00:29:56,264 --> 00:30:00,664
Speaker 3: I got a net no further question. So Ridley Scott

696
00:30:00,704 --> 00:30:02,824
Speaker 3: says it's historically accurate, So we're going to say it's

697
00:30:02,864 --> 00:30:05,264
Speaker 3: historically accurate, even though it was very funny to watch.

698
00:30:05,824 --> 00:30:08,664
Speaker 1: So I also want to talk about Colie Nielsen's role,

699
00:30:08,784 --> 00:30:13,664
Speaker 1: the role that she reprised Lucilla, who played Maximus's lover

700
00:30:14,024 --> 00:30:18,264
Speaker 1: and then Paul Mescal's mom in this new movie.

701
00:30:18,344 --> 00:30:19,104
Speaker 3: I mean, what a woman.

702
00:30:19,904 --> 00:30:24,304
Speaker 1: I found her role quite interesting. It feels like her

703
00:30:24,424 --> 00:30:27,264
Speaker 1: role was the one that kind of pieced everything together

704
00:30:27,384 --> 00:30:31,904
Speaker 1: because she had like a few dramatic scenes, but it

705
00:30:32,024 --> 00:30:35,224
Speaker 1: also felt weirdly rushed, Like I felt like her scenes

706
00:30:35,224 --> 00:30:39,064
Speaker 1: in particular were very rushed, especially between the second and

707
00:30:39,144 --> 00:30:44,024
Speaker 1: third act. It was just very confusing because if you

708
00:30:44,144 --> 00:30:47,584
Speaker 1: took out all the fighting and all the like bleeding

709
00:30:47,664 --> 00:30:50,184
Speaker 1: and the staring and the politics and stuff, and you

710
00:30:50,304 --> 00:30:54,184
Speaker 1: just focused on, like the heartfelt storyline between Paul finding

711
00:30:54,184 --> 00:30:56,304
Speaker 1: out who he really is and like his mom and

712
00:30:56,344 --> 00:31:01,064
Speaker 1: his dad and mourning his wife, it feels quite disjointed.

713
00:31:01,624 --> 00:31:04,664
Speaker 1: So the part where she goes visits him for the

714
00:31:04,704 --> 00:31:08,224
Speaker 1: first time and kind of he figures out while she's

715
00:31:08,264 --> 00:31:11,304
Speaker 1: there that he is her son like she is his

716
00:31:11,424 --> 00:31:13,464
Speaker 1: birth mother. He yells at her.

717
00:31:13,944 --> 00:31:16,104
Speaker 3: He's like, well, of course, because he feels like, just

718
00:31:16,104 --> 00:31:18,784
Speaker 3: to defend Paul Mescal for a moment, he feels like

719
00:31:18,904 --> 00:31:21,984
Speaker 3: he was sent away and then forgotten about. And he's

720
00:31:22,024 --> 00:31:24,024
Speaker 3: looking at this woman and you can kind of feel

721
00:31:24,024 --> 00:31:25,584
Speaker 3: like he knew soightaway that was his mum, but he

722
00:31:25,624 --> 00:31:27,744
Speaker 3: was kind of repressing it. And then he's looking at

723
00:31:27,744 --> 00:31:29,984
Speaker 3: this woman who he sees living this life of luxury

724
00:31:30,264 --> 00:31:32,464
Speaker 3: with the people that killed his wife, and he's pretty

725
00:31:32,544 --> 00:31:34,544
Speaker 3: much like, you forgot about me, and you left me

726
00:31:34,584 --> 00:31:36,344
Speaker 3: out there to die, and now I want nothing to

727
00:31:36,384 --> 00:31:39,264
Speaker 3: do with you. And I understand marry the general. Yeah,

728
00:31:39,264 --> 00:31:41,704
Speaker 3: he killed my wife. Yeah, it's actually quite a good setup.

729
00:31:41,784 --> 00:31:44,184
Speaker 1: It's good. And he yells, he's like, get out of

730
00:31:44,224 --> 00:31:46,064
Speaker 1: my room. And then she tries to say something. He's

731
00:31:46,064 --> 00:31:50,504
Speaker 1: like gout and them they don't talk again. And then

732
00:31:50,544 --> 00:31:52,584
Speaker 1: the next time they talk, I'm like, oh no, he's

733
00:31:52,624 --> 00:31:54,864
Speaker 1: gonna yell at her again. He's gonna yell. They haven't

734
00:31:54,864 --> 00:32:00,264
Speaker 1: talked since that first yelling situation. Immediately forgive him. He's like, okay, well, he's.

735
00:32:00,064 --> 00:32:02,184
Speaker 3: Got a lot going on. He's trying to save Rome

736
00:32:02,384 --> 00:32:04,984
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, he's trying to enemy get out of

737
00:32:05,064 --> 00:32:05,544
Speaker 3: my room.

738
00:32:05,984 --> 00:32:08,984
Speaker 1: So she like they suddenly make up randomly, and she

739
00:32:09,064 --> 00:32:11,904
Speaker 1: gives him Max and Missus ring that she's been wearing,

740
00:32:11,904 --> 00:32:13,664
Speaker 1: and he was like, I will wear this ring next

741
00:32:13,704 --> 00:32:14,544
Speaker 1: to my wife's ring.

742
00:32:14,824 --> 00:32:16,664
Speaker 3: That's actually meant to be a really beautiful moment, and

743
00:32:16,704 --> 00:32:18,464
Speaker 3: I just feel like you haven't taken it in. It's

744
00:32:18,544 --> 00:32:20,704
Speaker 3: so every time I see you recently, you'll just say

745
00:32:20,744 --> 00:32:21,944
Speaker 3: that randomly, oh.

746
00:32:22,144 --> 00:32:23,624
Speaker 1: This ring next to my wife's.

747
00:32:25,024 --> 00:32:26,384
Speaker 3: He's trying to be nice about it.

748
00:32:26,464 --> 00:32:29,824
Speaker 1: Thank you mom, I forgive you. I forgive you Mom.

749
00:32:29,984 --> 00:32:32,064
Speaker 3: Because it's because Paul Beskil doesn't have a lot of

750
00:32:32,104 --> 00:32:33,984
Speaker 3: lines that a lot.

751
00:32:34,344 --> 00:32:37,064
Speaker 1: I think that's a except for that one poem yes,

752
00:32:37,104 --> 00:32:38,744
Speaker 1: which is like the one line that he says that

753
00:32:38,824 --> 00:32:39,704
Speaker 1: everyone remembers.

754
00:32:40,184 --> 00:32:41,864
Speaker 3: That's a creative choice and it does kind of work.

755
00:32:41,904 --> 00:32:44,544
Speaker 3: He's meant to be you know, he's always watching and

756
00:32:44,624 --> 00:32:46,144
Speaker 3: reacting and.

757
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:49,144
Speaker 1: Ask him to speak He's like he's speaking English.

758
00:32:49,144 --> 00:32:52,144
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, sure, whatever. Yeah, he doesn't have a

759
00:32:52,144 --> 00:32:53,784
Speaker 3: lot of dialogue in the film, but I think that

760
00:32:53,904 --> 00:32:55,024
Speaker 3: kind of works to his character.

761
00:32:55,184 --> 00:32:57,424
Speaker 1: It does a lot of breathing and some a lot of.

762
00:32:57,384 --> 00:33:00,464
Speaker 3: Brooding and a lot of just like what strength.

763
00:33:00,104 --> 00:33:02,424
Speaker 1: And on ah and then everyone's like, yeah, I guess

764
00:33:03,024 --> 00:33:03,584
Speaker 1: sure what he.

765
00:33:03,584 --> 00:33:05,024
Speaker 3: Said with both of those. But a lot of it

766
00:33:05,064 --> 00:33:07,304
Speaker 3: is just like close ups of his face and his body,

767
00:33:07,544 --> 00:33:09,704
Speaker 3: like reacting to things and taking things in. And I

768
00:33:09,744 --> 00:33:11,784
Speaker 3: think that's interesting choice, Like you can convey a lot

769
00:33:11,784 --> 00:33:14,104
Speaker 3: without dialogue. Sometimes in these movies they can be too

770
00:33:14,144 --> 00:33:16,304
Speaker 3: much dialogue if you get into historical drama and there's

771
00:33:16,304 --> 00:33:18,744
Speaker 3: a lot of exposition, a lot of explaining, a lot

772
00:33:18,784 --> 00:33:20,904
Speaker 3: of men walking around and brooding.

773
00:33:21,024 --> 00:33:23,784
Speaker 1: Is he educated because they like so you see a

774
00:33:23,824 --> 00:33:26,424
Speaker 1: scene where like he's a young boy and then they

775
00:33:26,424 --> 00:33:28,744
Speaker 1: come to find him and then he gets sent away

776
00:33:28,784 --> 00:33:29,944
Speaker 1: by himself on a horse.

777
00:33:30,464 --> 00:33:33,664
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the different community, but he still was like

778
00:33:33,824 --> 00:33:36,344
Speaker 3: educated while he was like living in Rome with his family.

779
00:33:36,704 --> 00:33:38,584
Speaker 3: He does speak well. Okay, weird thing for us to

780
00:33:38,584 --> 00:33:41,664
Speaker 3: be debating, but I think that's maybe just how they've

781
00:33:41,744 --> 00:33:45,024
Speaker 3: kind of done his character. It's interesting because with Gladiator too,

782
00:33:45,104 --> 00:33:47,224
Speaker 3: like I just think like if it wasn't done properly,

783
00:33:47,264 --> 00:33:49,544
Speaker 3: it just would have been the most boring movie. And

784
00:33:49,624 --> 00:33:52,584
Speaker 3: I think the original scripts around it very much center

785
00:33:52,624 --> 00:33:56,264
Speaker 3: on like the politics and the internal power struggles, and

786
00:33:56,304 --> 00:33:57,904
Speaker 3: I'm like, when I went to this movie, I'm like,

787
00:33:57,904 --> 00:33:59,344
Speaker 3: if this is going to be a bunch of white

788
00:33:59,344 --> 00:34:02,784
Speaker 3: men standing around in rooms monologuing about their importance, I'm

789
00:34:02,824 --> 00:34:04,504
Speaker 3: out of here. I've had a long day. There's a

790
00:34:04,544 --> 00:34:06,424
Speaker 3: long line to get in here. I'm out. But the

791
00:34:06,424 --> 00:34:09,304
Speaker 3: movie caters to I think what people want from a

792
00:34:09,304 --> 00:34:11,304
Speaker 3: movie in terms of like action packed.

793
00:34:11,304 --> 00:34:13,944
Speaker 1: It's very fast, fast paced, and the stakes are there.

794
00:34:14,024 --> 00:34:15,304
Speaker 3: It's kind of like the stakes are out there, of

795
00:34:15,344 --> 00:34:16,944
Speaker 3: like this is a really bad guy and this is

796
00:34:16,944 --> 00:34:20,224
Speaker 3: the good guy, and that's it. Everyone's stay in their lane.

797
00:34:20,264 --> 00:34:23,264
Speaker 3: But it kind of does work because it's a cadence

798
00:34:23,304 --> 00:34:25,864
Speaker 3: of storyline that we really recognize.

799
00:34:25,384 --> 00:34:28,024
Speaker 1: The characters are still developing in their lane.

800
00:34:27,944 --> 00:34:30,064
Speaker 3: To an extent. It's almost like if you had taken

801
00:34:30,104 --> 00:34:32,504
Speaker 3: out to the Vicious Killing. This is a kid's movie

802
00:34:32,944 --> 00:34:35,264
Speaker 3: about an orphan. This is Disney movie about an orphan

803
00:34:35,384 --> 00:34:38,184
Speaker 3: taken away from his parents, coming back and fighting the

804
00:34:38,224 --> 00:34:41,144
Speaker 3: bad guys and saving everyone, Like if he took out

805
00:34:41,144 --> 00:34:43,824
Speaker 3: the killer monkeys and the killer sharks and the statistic

806
00:34:44,144 --> 00:34:46,904
Speaker 3: and the sadistic emperors, and the fact that one of

807
00:34:46,944 --> 00:34:49,424
Speaker 3: them is dying from syphilis. This is a kid's movie.

808
00:34:51,064 --> 00:34:53,944
Speaker 3: It's very good versus bad, but adults need that sometimes too.

809
00:34:54,104 --> 00:34:57,464
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just such a good watch. Like I definitely,

810
00:34:57,704 --> 00:35:00,184
Speaker 1: as you said, wouldn't watch it because I do feel

811
00:35:00,224 --> 00:35:02,944
Speaker 1: like Gladiator one was more of a drama, like there

812
00:35:03,024 --> 00:35:05,504
Speaker 1: was so much It was more intense in that way

813
00:35:05,584 --> 00:35:07,984
Speaker 1: where the plot line felt like there was so much

814
00:35:08,024 --> 00:35:11,024
Speaker 1: at stake, whereas like with Gladiated two, because it's kind

815
00:35:11,064 --> 00:35:13,784
Speaker 1: of like the same storyline as Glad eight or one,

816
00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:15,784
Speaker 1: you kind of know what's at stake already so you

817
00:35:15,824 --> 00:35:16,664
Speaker 1: can just like enjoy.

818
00:35:16,824 --> 00:35:19,504
Speaker 3: It just feels like more like an action, popcorn summer

819
00:35:19,664 --> 00:35:21,824
Speaker 3: kind of movie. Okay, do you want to get into ending,

820
00:35:21,824 --> 00:35:24,264
Speaker 3: which is actually quite sad because you think a lot

821
00:35:24,264 --> 00:35:26,384
Speaker 3: of people are gonna you think like they're gonna do this,

822
00:35:26,464 --> 00:35:28,224
Speaker 3: They're going to, you know, get out of here, and

823
00:35:28,264 --> 00:35:30,144
Speaker 3: then the death after death after death.

824
00:35:30,224 --> 00:35:32,264
Speaker 1: I got quite confused.

825
00:35:32,504 --> 00:35:33,424
Speaker 3: What were you confused by?

826
00:35:33,984 --> 00:35:36,144
Speaker 1: I was confused right at the end when he was

827
00:35:36,144 --> 00:35:38,424
Speaker 1: giving that speech and there was thousands of people, and

828
00:35:38,424 --> 00:35:39,864
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I hope the guys at the

829
00:35:39,864 --> 00:35:41,904
Speaker 1: back can hear him and they don't just start killing

830
00:35:41,944 --> 00:35:44,544
Speaker 1: people because there's no way they can hear him, they're

831
00:35:44,624 --> 00:35:47,464
Speaker 1: so far bad, Like how do they all know that

832
00:35:47,544 --> 00:35:49,984
Speaker 1: we're not fighting? Like, I don't think that message has

833
00:35:50,024 --> 00:35:51,144
Speaker 1: been passed on accurately.

834
00:35:51,224 --> 00:35:54,424
Speaker 3: Okay, So in armies they have like systems in back

835
00:35:54,464 --> 00:35:55,944
Speaker 3: in the olden days, and they have like walkie talkers

836
00:35:56,024 --> 00:35:57,464
Speaker 3: or you think of how to like pass that along,

837
00:35:57,544 --> 00:35:59,184
Speaker 3: Like you have a person who's in charge of like

838
00:35:59,464 --> 00:36:00,344
Speaker 3: each section.

839
00:36:01,504 --> 00:36:02,704
Speaker 1: Pass it on, pass it on.

840
00:36:02,944 --> 00:36:03,224
Speaker 2: Stop.

841
00:36:03,264 --> 00:36:07,824
Speaker 1: You're feeling you're getting a message going kill and you're like, wait, kill.

842
00:36:07,904 --> 00:36:11,384
Speaker 3: Just because one guy forgot to say stop killing. Okay.

843
00:36:11,384 --> 00:36:14,904
Speaker 3: But before that, we have Denzel Washington rising to the

844
00:36:14,944 --> 00:36:16,264
Speaker 3: power of emperor because.

845
00:36:16,184 --> 00:36:17,584
Speaker 1: Quickly he tricks overnight.

846
00:36:17,864 --> 00:36:19,824
Speaker 3: That was an intense scene. How he tricks the brothers.

847
00:36:19,824 --> 00:36:21,784
Speaker 3: He tricks the little Emperor. This is how we can describe.

848
00:36:21,864 --> 00:36:24,344
Speaker 3: He tricks the little Emperor, whose brain is at all

849
00:36:24,384 --> 00:36:26,824
Speaker 3: by syphilis, which is very sad for him, tricks him

850
00:36:26,824 --> 00:36:30,264
Speaker 3: into killing his brother because Denzel's thinking like the younger one,

851
00:36:30,264 --> 00:36:32,344
Speaker 3: the little one is easier to control out of these

852
00:36:32,384 --> 00:36:36,464
Speaker 3: two crazy emperors. And then Denzel wrangles it so that

853
00:36:36,744 --> 00:36:40,024
Speaker 3: the little Emperor, who's the one who's ruling now, I guess,

854
00:36:40,064 --> 00:36:43,064
Speaker 3: names his monkey first, which everyone was a bit stressed about,

855
00:36:43,264 --> 00:36:45,864
Speaker 3: which is fair enough. It was there for long and

856
00:36:46,064 --> 00:36:48,864
Speaker 3: then named Denzel, and then when Denzel stabbed him through

857
00:36:48,904 --> 00:36:52,504
Speaker 3: the ear, him yeah, that's a bad way to go.

858
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:53,784
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to go that way.

859
00:36:54,064 --> 00:36:55,944
Speaker 3: And leaving him to be in power. But then they're

860
00:36:55,944 --> 00:36:58,264
Speaker 3: having the big three down fight, and then we have

861
00:36:58,504 --> 00:37:01,184
Speaker 3: the death of Acacius, which I actually thought was really sad,

862
00:37:01,424 --> 00:37:04,744
Speaker 3: but I thought that it was very satisfying to have

863
00:37:04,944 --> 00:37:08,224
Speaker 3: that big throwdown fight between Pedro and Paul, because the

864
00:37:08,224 --> 00:37:12,504
Speaker 3: whole movie had been building to that. Pedro trying to say, okay, shist,

865
00:37:12,504 --> 00:37:14,864
Speaker 3: I need told them the character names, being like no,

866
00:37:14,984 --> 00:37:16,664
Speaker 3: like we're fighting for the same thing, and being like,

867
00:37:16,704 --> 00:37:18,424
Speaker 3: I won't kill you. And then I think the big

868
00:37:18,464 --> 00:37:21,544
Speaker 3: emotional turning point for Paul Mescal was him also putting

869
00:37:21,584 --> 00:37:23,544
Speaker 3: down his sword because the only thing I'd been getting

870
00:37:23,744 --> 00:37:25,784
Speaker 3: up in the morning and getting him through this was

871
00:37:25,864 --> 00:37:28,304
Speaker 3: killing that man, this man who was in front of him.

872
00:37:28,344 --> 00:37:29,664
Speaker 3: And then he had to make the choice to put

873
00:37:29,664 --> 00:37:30,304
Speaker 3: his sword down.

874
00:37:30,424 --> 00:37:33,064
Speaker 1: Oh and then but they killed him anyway. And then

875
00:37:33,064 --> 00:37:36,824
Speaker 1: Paul went, look what you do? Do you like this?

876
00:37:37,584 --> 00:37:39,064
Speaker 1: You're the killing of your general.

877
00:37:40,184 --> 00:37:42,104
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, I feel like Paul's in the room.

878
00:37:42,184 --> 00:37:44,424
Speaker 3: That's right. I think they were trying because one of

879
00:37:44,424 --> 00:37:47,224
Speaker 3: the most infamous scenes from the original Gladiator, and the

880
00:37:47,224 --> 00:37:49,264
Speaker 3: one that people still repeat to this day is are

881
00:37:49,304 --> 00:37:51,704
Speaker 3: you not Entertained? And so I think they were trying

882
00:37:51,704 --> 00:37:54,064
Speaker 3: to make that happen. But she said that how good

883
00:37:54,104 --> 00:37:55,864
Speaker 3: would that have been? Might have been two on the

884
00:37:55,904 --> 00:38:00,264
Speaker 3: notes was an understanding ovation. But you know what I

885
00:38:00,264 --> 00:38:02,664
Speaker 3: thought was the real kind of just the one of

886
00:38:02,704 --> 00:38:06,544
Speaker 3: the ugly kills is when Lucilla Connie Nielsen, his character

887
00:38:06,664 --> 00:38:09,184
Speaker 3: is tied out on the thing in the middle, like.

888
00:38:09,184 --> 00:38:12,704
Speaker 1: She was the last living person for him. Yes, like

889
00:38:12,784 --> 00:38:15,784
Speaker 1: the last person who like probably had love for him.

890
00:38:15,984 --> 00:38:18,104
Speaker 3: Yeah, he lost his wife, he lost all of his friends,

891
00:38:18,104 --> 00:38:20,184
Speaker 3: he lost his mentor, and that was like just when

892
00:38:20,184 --> 00:38:25,544
Speaker 3: he got to Rome and then he was losing. The

893
00:38:25,624 --> 00:38:26,464
Speaker 3: credits are still.

894
00:38:28,264 --> 00:38:29,904
Speaker 1: He loves all people.

895
00:38:32,024 --> 00:38:34,584
Speaker 3: Opening scene, and then he's lost a lot of people

896
00:38:34,624 --> 00:38:36,464
Speaker 3: that he'd made friends with since he got there. He's

897
00:38:36,464 --> 00:38:41,424
Speaker 3: lost Acacius, who was like a new friend. Danzel he

898
00:38:41,504 --> 00:38:44,184
Speaker 3: thought he was going to be there, trained betrayed, and

899
00:38:44,224 --> 00:38:47,064
Speaker 3: then he's only got Connie Nilsen left, and the way

900
00:38:47,104 --> 00:38:49,704
Speaker 3: she dies with Denzel Washington acting. I'm just going to say,

901
00:38:49,784 --> 00:38:52,064
Speaker 3: like a little spoiled brat, like he's losing the war

902
00:38:52,144 --> 00:38:53,984
Speaker 3: and he could just run, he could leave, he could

903
00:38:54,024 --> 00:38:54,664
Speaker 3: find his army, and.

904
00:38:54,744 --> 00:38:57,504
Speaker 1: He wanted to take everything from Paul Mascot and she's like,

905
00:38:57,544 --> 00:39:01,944
Speaker 1: this is not your movie. Movie, Denzel Washington.

906
00:39:01,824 --> 00:39:05,064
Speaker 3: And then Denzel Washington, the man, the actor, takes the

907
00:39:05,104 --> 00:39:07,784
Speaker 3: bowl and arrow and shoots her through the heart in

908
00:39:07,864 --> 00:39:11,264
Speaker 3: the same way that Paul Paul mass Girl lost his

909
00:39:11,304 --> 00:39:13,344
Speaker 3: wife in the opening scenes of the film with an

910
00:39:13,464 --> 00:39:14,304
Speaker 3: arrow through the heart.

911
00:39:14,424 --> 00:39:18,624
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he's not traumatized by I think he is traumatized,

912
00:39:18,984 --> 00:39:20,864
Speaker 1: is what we see throughout the film.

913
00:39:21,064 --> 00:39:22,984
Speaker 3: And then it's really on I think is a cinematic

914
00:39:23,024 --> 00:39:25,944
Speaker 3: way to describe it in terms of the battle King.

915
00:39:25,824 --> 00:39:26,664
Speaker 1: The horse chase.

916
00:39:26,944 --> 00:39:29,384
Speaker 3: Yes, but then we have what everyone has been waiting for,

917
00:39:29,424 --> 00:39:32,024
Speaker 3: which is the epic threw down between Denzel and Paul

918
00:39:32,224 --> 00:39:32,864
Speaker 3: in the river.

919
00:39:33,064 --> 00:39:34,944
Speaker 1: You know what I reminded me of what Black Panther.

920
00:39:35,304 --> 00:39:39,024
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bit of a men fighting in waters. Dangerous

921
00:39:39,064 --> 00:39:42,224
Speaker 1: game because like when there's drowning involved, that takes it

922
00:39:42,264 --> 00:39:43,024
Speaker 1: to a whole new life.

923
00:39:43,304 --> 00:39:45,544
Speaker 3: Stabbing through the water, stabbing you can't see who's moving

924
00:39:45,544 --> 00:39:47,704
Speaker 3: where or who's doing what. That would be very intense.

925
00:39:47,864 --> 00:39:49,504
Speaker 3: People just rises.

926
00:39:49,224 --> 00:39:54,504
Speaker 1: Yes, Aquaman, he did look like and became victorious. And

927
00:39:54,544 --> 00:39:57,344
Speaker 1: then he had to stand between the Roman army and

928
00:39:57,824 --> 00:39:59,024
Speaker 1: the other army, which I'm.

929
00:39:58,864 --> 00:40:01,064
Speaker 3: Guessing with other Roman army, the.

930
00:40:01,064 --> 00:40:05,384
Speaker 1: Friendly Roman army and the other Roman army and say, look, guys,

931
00:40:05,624 --> 00:40:07,864
Speaker 1: it's been a day. Yeah, well, let's just put the

932
00:40:07,864 --> 00:40:10,304
Speaker 1: swords down, like we're all fighting for the same theor

933
00:40:10,944 --> 00:40:12,864
Speaker 1: sometimes as men we need to like let out our

934
00:40:12,904 --> 00:40:15,344
Speaker 1: emotions in a different, more healthier way. I feel like,

935
00:40:15,344 --> 00:40:17,504
Speaker 1: if we just talked about it and didn't kill each other,

936
00:40:17,624 --> 00:40:19,424
Speaker 1: this could be a really beautiful friendship.

937
00:40:19,464 --> 00:40:20,824
Speaker 3: I really want a version in the movie where he

938
00:40:20,824 --> 00:40:21,424
Speaker 3: says that.

939
00:40:21,624 --> 00:40:22,944
Speaker 1: And then the guys at the back are like, what.

940
00:40:25,064 --> 00:40:27,344
Speaker 3: Killing or not? Someone tell us and we're killing great

941
00:40:27,384 --> 00:40:29,704
Speaker 3: and then they kill poor Mescal. How unfortunate with that

942
00:40:29,784 --> 00:40:30,024
Speaker 3: for me?

943
00:40:30,064 --> 00:40:30,904
Speaker 1: Fie, god damn it.

944
00:40:30,984 --> 00:40:32,984
Speaker 3: And after that you want to have this real victorious

945
00:40:33,024 --> 00:40:35,104
Speaker 3: moment of like they won, the good guys won, but

946
00:40:35,584 --> 00:40:38,344
Speaker 3: there are no winners in war. A series Animalphs taught

947
00:40:38,384 --> 00:40:39,944
Speaker 3: me that there are no winners in more. It's all

948
00:40:39,984 --> 00:40:42,824
Speaker 3: really ugly. And so then we have these scenes of

949
00:40:42,824 --> 00:40:46,144
Speaker 3: poor Mescal looking absolutely fucking devastated and broken because he's

950
00:40:46,144 --> 00:40:48,024
Speaker 3: staying in that arena and he was like, that's where

951
00:40:48,064 --> 00:40:50,504
Speaker 3: my dad died, that's where my mom died. Still there,

952
00:40:50,584 --> 00:40:54,024
Speaker 3: that's where Acacius died and my wife also dead.

953
00:40:54,144 --> 00:40:56,984
Speaker 1: Pulls out the little arrow and then he does that

954
00:40:57,184 --> 00:40:58,784
Speaker 1: touchy dirt thing that he loves.

955
00:40:58,704 --> 00:41:00,864
Speaker 3: And yes, because he's remembering, he's trying to feel like

956
00:41:00,904 --> 00:41:02,784
Speaker 3: tied to his father and how he died in that

957
00:41:02,824 --> 00:41:05,744
Speaker 3: moment and how he's standing there. And this is because

958
00:41:05,784 --> 00:41:08,184
Speaker 3: Paul Mescal is a good actor. You see in his

959
00:41:08,264 --> 00:41:10,464
Speaker 3: eyes that his character is thinking, I am alive, but

960
00:41:10,544 --> 00:41:13,264
Speaker 3: I am dead inside. And even though everyone is celebrating

961
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,544
Speaker 3: around me, there is no celebration for Paul.

962
00:41:15,384 --> 00:41:17,544
Speaker 1: Mescal until Gladiator three.

963
00:41:17,624 --> 00:41:19,744
Speaker 3: Do you know? They're talking about that and it's going

964
00:41:19,824 --> 00:41:24,064
Speaker 3: to follow in his next like through this next part

965
00:41:24,064 --> 00:41:26,984
Speaker 3: where he's been given this big power that he doesn't want.

966
00:41:27,104 --> 00:41:30,424
Speaker 1: But you know the main you're you're the emperor now

967
00:41:30,424 --> 00:41:31,784
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, we talked about this.

968
00:41:31,904 --> 00:41:34,264
Speaker 3: Boys, there's no empress. And he's like, you're the emperor.

969
00:41:34,384 --> 00:41:36,784
Speaker 3: And they're like, it's either you or the monkey. Because

970
00:41:36,784 --> 00:41:40,304
Speaker 3: the monkey is officially taken in charge, so one of

971
00:41:40,304 --> 00:41:42,144
Speaker 3: you is going to have to step up. But you know,

972
00:41:42,184 --> 00:41:45,184
Speaker 3: one of the reasons that people really want Gladiator three,

973
00:41:45,224 --> 00:41:47,784
Speaker 3: besides the fact that we all really loved Gladiator two

974
00:41:47,864 --> 00:41:49,544
Speaker 3: and we want to see we want to see what

975
00:41:49,544 --> 00:41:51,904
Speaker 3: other animals they can put in at Coliseum. We want

976
00:41:51,904 --> 00:41:53,344
Speaker 3: to see more death and blood.

977
00:41:53,424 --> 00:41:54,904
Speaker 1: Is it because they want to rub it into Russell

978
00:41:54,904 --> 00:41:56,864
Speaker 1: Crowe for more Russell cross at home.

979
00:41:57,184 --> 00:41:59,664
Speaker 3: No, he's He's like, how about comeback? And it goes now.

980
00:41:59,824 --> 00:42:02,224
Speaker 3: He's like, if you could have blood thirsty, mechanical sharks

981
00:42:02,224 --> 00:42:04,304
Speaker 3: and alien monkeys, you can have Russell Crowe back.

982
00:42:04,384 --> 00:42:06,504
Speaker 1: I'm saying, my mafussa pitch is pretty good.

983
00:42:06,504 --> 00:42:07,984
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. We should send that to them. No,

984
00:42:07,984 --> 00:42:09,864
Speaker 3: they want to see Paul mescal have a love story,

985
00:42:10,024 --> 00:42:13,144
Speaker 3: ah boring. I want to see my girl kill more men. Yeah.

986
00:42:13,264 --> 00:42:17,184
Speaker 3: I just think give the guy a minute, widow. Yeah.

987
00:42:17,304 --> 00:42:19,024
Speaker 3: I think it's because people just want killing and they

988
00:42:19,024 --> 00:42:19,384
Speaker 3: want sex.

989
00:42:19,424 --> 00:42:22,264
Speaker 1: They just want normal people what they want.

990
00:42:22,544 --> 00:42:27,504
Speaker 3: Daisy Ridley appears, so Daisy egg Jones appears.

991
00:42:27,624 --> 00:42:30,424
Speaker 1: Well, that's why they cast Joseph Quinn because he Joseph

992
00:42:30,464 --> 00:42:32,944
Speaker 1: Quinn's dead, So Paul's like, well, who's gonna be Oh

993
00:42:32,984 --> 00:42:35,624
Speaker 1: my god, Daisy Edgar Jones can appear as the sister

994
00:42:35,824 --> 00:42:38,584
Speaker 1: of the emperors, and even though women can't have power

995
00:42:38,584 --> 00:42:40,984
Speaker 1: at that time, it's going to be her evil husband

996
00:42:41,544 --> 00:42:45,904
Speaker 1: who like the evil husband, and him and Daisy get

997
00:42:45,944 --> 00:42:49,984
Speaker 1: together and then they make normal people too. In Rome.

998
00:42:50,104 --> 00:42:51,984
Speaker 3: It's like Emily in Paris. In Rome, normal people do

999
00:42:52,064 --> 00:42:54,464
Speaker 3: in Rome. It's all happening anyway. Thank you for listening

1000
00:42:54,544 --> 00:42:59,144
Speaker 3: to our very very unhinged, brutally honest review of Gladiator too.

1001
00:42:59,464 --> 00:43:02,624
Speaker 3: Feel like the movie the movie because we really enjoyed it.

1002
00:43:02,784 --> 00:43:04,824
Speaker 3: We urge you all to see it. And yeah, look,

1003
00:43:04,824 --> 00:43:07,024
Speaker 3: any day where we're seeing a mustly poor mess girl

1004
00:43:07,064 --> 00:43:09,744
Speaker 3: and his perfect teeth even though historically and accurate run

1005
00:43:09,784 --> 00:43:18,464
Speaker 3: across the screen is a good day. The weekend watch, Well,

1006
00:43:18,504 --> 00:43:21,384
Speaker 3: that was our brittly honest review of Gladiator. Sorry, even

1007
00:43:21,424 --> 00:43:23,584
Speaker 3: though Emily isn't here this week, she had to jump

1008
00:43:23,584 --> 00:43:25,424
Speaker 3: in and do that one because she's been dreaming of

1009
00:43:25,504 --> 00:43:28,464
Speaker 3: talking about it for so long. But Ash London and

1010
00:43:28,504 --> 00:43:31,344
Speaker 3: I are here to give you some weekend watch recommendations.

1011
00:43:31,424 --> 00:43:33,024
Speaker 3: And actually you had to be on the show because

1012
00:43:33,104 --> 00:43:34,944
Speaker 3: you have a movie that a new movie that you

1013
00:43:34,984 --> 00:43:36,144
Speaker 3: are dying to talk about.

1014
00:43:36,424 --> 00:43:39,784
Speaker 4: Yes, now, obviously more Power to Ridley Scott and More

1015
00:43:39,824 --> 00:43:43,824
Speaker 4: Powered Gladiator and whatever. I'm sure it was fine. But

1016
00:43:43,904 --> 00:43:46,824
Speaker 4: if we're gonna talk about cinematic accomplishment, I need to

1017
00:43:46,824 --> 00:43:49,544
Speaker 4: talk about my weekend watch, which is The Married Gentleman

1018
00:43:49,664 --> 00:43:52,544
Speaker 4: on Netflix. If you know me, you'll know that I'm

1019
00:43:52,584 --> 00:43:56,944
Speaker 4: obsessed with Christmas films. This one I legitimately have had

1020
00:43:56,984 --> 00:44:01,024
Speaker 4: a reminder in my calendar for our Wednesday this week.

1021
00:44:01,424 --> 00:44:04,744
Speaker 4: It just says, Chad Michael Murray Stripper movie out.

1022
00:44:04,904 --> 00:44:05,864
Speaker 3: And that's all you need to know.

1023
00:44:06,064 --> 00:44:08,304
Speaker 4: That's all you need to know. So it's Britt Robertson,

1024
00:44:08,344 --> 00:44:10,104
Speaker 4: who is in The Longest Ride, which I still think

1025
00:44:10,184 --> 00:44:12,224
Speaker 4: is the hilarious name for any film because it just

1026
00:44:12,344 --> 00:44:14,864
Speaker 4: sounds like a porn movie. And of course our boy

1027
00:44:15,224 --> 00:44:18,464
Speaker 4: CMM Chad Michael Murray, who you'll know from every Netflix

1028
00:44:18,504 --> 00:44:21,144
Speaker 4: Christmas film ever, and of course Wandry Help. So she's

1029
00:44:21,144 --> 00:44:23,424
Speaker 4: a big city dancer. She's in like, you know, like

1030
00:44:23,544 --> 00:44:25,464
Speaker 4: the Rockets, Like she's in that kind of like a thing.

1031
00:44:26,024 --> 00:44:28,824
Speaker 4: The movie version of that loses her gig returns to

1032
00:44:28,864 --> 00:44:31,704
Speaker 4: her hometown where her parents' pub is obviously going down

1033
00:44:31,744 --> 00:44:35,584
Speaker 4: the drain. The local handyman comes to fix a leak. Obviously,

1034
00:44:35,624 --> 00:44:38,344
Speaker 4: he gets wet. Obviously it eggs his top off, and

1035
00:44:38,384 --> 00:44:42,344
Speaker 4: then boom. An idea is hatched for a PG because

1036
00:44:42,344 --> 00:44:43,024
Speaker 4: it's still a net.

1037
00:44:42,944 --> 00:44:44,104
Speaker 3: Mixed person film.

1038
00:44:44,264 --> 00:44:50,104
Speaker 4: Her PG all male review to save the pub. We

1039
00:44:50,144 --> 00:44:56,384
Speaker 4: are going to make this show something truly special, something

1040
00:44:56,464 --> 00:44:59,944
Speaker 4: this town has never seen before. Who was ready to

1041
00:44:59,984 --> 00:45:04,624
Speaker 4: make some prismas magic? Christmas at the Rhythm Room used

1042
00:45:04,624 --> 00:45:07,184
Speaker 4: to be a tradition around here, but now it's on

1043
00:45:07,344 --> 00:45:10,304
Speaker 4: life supporting. There's got to be a way to get

1044
00:45:10,344 --> 00:45:11,984
Speaker 4: people excited about this place again.

1045
00:45:12,544 --> 00:45:14,704
Speaker 1: Well you think male strippers? Quite the answer?

1046
00:45:14,704 --> 00:45:17,144
Speaker 4: Its male dance review, men taking her curls off. It's

1047
00:45:17,184 --> 00:45:18,944
Speaker 4: men taking their shirts off.

1048
00:45:19,104 --> 00:45:20,264
Speaker 1: Oh it's a different.

1049
00:45:19,984 --> 00:45:24,304
Speaker 4: Story then, really, No, I don't know what more you need.

1050
00:45:24,384 --> 00:45:26,064
Speaker 3: That's a perfect plot, no notes on that.

1051
00:45:26,344 --> 00:45:28,744
Speaker 4: What more do you need to go? Okay, I've got

1052
00:45:28,864 --> 00:45:30,984
Speaker 4: my child's first birthday today. I'm not going to go

1053
00:45:31,024 --> 00:45:32,664
Speaker 4: to that. I'm going to watch this instead because as

1054
00:45:32,664 --> 00:45:35,104
Speaker 4: far as I'm concerned, as you said, it's perfect.

1055
00:45:35,624 --> 00:45:38,624
Speaker 3: And out on Netflix now. Yes, so just but the

1056
00:45:38,664 --> 00:45:40,784
Speaker 3: whole week and decide to watch it many many.

1057
00:45:40,584 --> 00:45:43,904
Speaker 4: Times, the kids to bed live your Best Life, Babes.

1058
00:45:44,024 --> 00:45:46,824
Speaker 3: Tad, Michael Murray, what a perfect man. Well, actually, I've

1059
00:45:46,864 --> 00:45:49,584
Speaker 3: also got a bit of a sexy throwback from the teens.

1060
00:45:49,584 --> 00:45:52,184
Speaker 3: Were very nostalgic at the moment. So if you cast

1061
00:45:52,184 --> 00:45:54,824
Speaker 3: your mind back to nineteen ninety nine, a very important

1062
00:45:54,904 --> 00:45:57,944
Speaker 3: movie was released, and that is Cruel Intentions. I don't

1063
00:45:57,944 --> 00:46:00,464
Speaker 3: know if you remember the first time you saw Cruel Intentions, but.

1064
00:46:00,704 --> 00:46:02,744
Speaker 4: I learned so much about sex from this film.

1065
00:46:02,824 --> 00:46:04,504
Speaker 3: Everything a lot about sexist from this movie. I was

1066
00:46:04,544 --> 00:46:06,304
Speaker 3: about to worl because I didn't understand half of what

1067
00:46:06,344 --> 00:46:07,984
Speaker 3: was going on. I still don't.

1068
00:46:08,264 --> 00:46:12,544
Speaker 4: I still don't because I'm still very very much the

1069
00:46:12,584 --> 00:46:17,184
Speaker 4: sheltered Lebanese Christians, lay Selma Blair and the Dixie.

1070
00:46:16,864 --> 00:46:19,024
Speaker 3: Pop No, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.

1071
00:46:19,424 --> 00:46:20,704
Speaker 4: They're talking about blood jobs.

1072
00:46:20,944 --> 00:46:24,184
Speaker 2: Eat me, Sebastian. It's all right for guys like you

1073
00:46:24,264 --> 00:46:26,104
Speaker 2: in court to fuck everyone, but when I do it,

1074
00:46:26,144 --> 00:46:28,464
Speaker 2: I get dumped for any little twitch like cecial.

1075
00:46:29,544 --> 00:46:30,264
Speaker 4: God forbid.

1076
00:46:30,304 --> 00:46:34,264
Speaker 2: I exued confidence and enjoy sex. Do you think I

1077
00:46:34,344 --> 00:46:36,544
Speaker 2: relish the fact that I have to act like Mary

1078
00:46:36,584 --> 00:46:39,184
Speaker 2: Sunshine twenty four to seven? So I can be considered

1079
00:46:39,184 --> 00:46:43,024
Speaker 2: a lady. I'm the Marsha fucking Brady of the Upper

1080
00:46:43,024 --> 00:46:45,464
Speaker 2: east Side, and sometimes I want to kill myself.

1081
00:46:45,784 --> 00:46:48,264
Speaker 3: So when Cral Intentions came out, it was and I'm

1082
00:46:48,384 --> 00:46:50,104
Speaker 3: assuming neither of us thorret in theaters because we were

1083
00:46:50,104 --> 00:46:52,104
Speaker 3: too young. I saw in a VHS that my friends

1084
00:46:52,104 --> 00:46:54,144
Speaker 3: I would play a Sleepovers over and over again many

1085
00:46:54,224 --> 00:46:56,984
Speaker 3: years later. But it caused such a stir because it

1086
00:46:57,104 --> 00:47:00,024
Speaker 3: was based on this rovel that came out in seventeen

1087
00:47:00,104 --> 00:47:03,904
Speaker 3: eighty two called Les Lisson's Dangerous which was set in

1088
00:47:03,984 --> 00:47:07,824
Speaker 3: a pre revolutionary French court, and they took that idea.

1089
00:47:07,904 --> 00:47:10,224
Speaker 3: It was the error of taking like classic stories and

1090
00:47:10,344 --> 00:47:13,144
Speaker 3: putting teens in them, which actually resulted in lots of

1091
00:47:13,144 --> 00:47:16,744
Speaker 3: great movies. And the reason this movie made so many

1092
00:47:16,784 --> 00:47:20,104
Speaker 3: waves is that it was like so overtly sexual and

1093
00:47:20,544 --> 00:47:23,824
Speaker 3: gossip Girl and like Euphoria today could absolutely never but

1094
00:47:23,944 --> 00:47:26,704
Speaker 3: it really like showed us all these teen stars in

1095
00:47:26,744 --> 00:47:29,464
Speaker 3: a very iconic way. So like Sarah Michelle Geller was

1096
00:47:29,504 --> 00:47:31,864
Speaker 3: no one as being the blonde hero on Buffy and

1097
00:47:31,944 --> 00:47:34,984
Speaker 3: all of a sudden she's brunette, which was mind blowing,

1098
00:47:35,304 --> 00:47:37,784
Speaker 3: and she's this sexy villain, and then you.

1099
00:47:37,744 --> 00:47:41,824
Speaker 1: Had that what you just hate her but you want

1100
00:47:41,944 --> 00:47:42,464
Speaker 1: but she's.

1101
00:47:42,304 --> 00:47:45,464
Speaker 3: So smart, and her iconic monologue about why she wants

1102
00:47:45,544 --> 00:47:47,704
Speaker 3: to just be herself and have sex but she can't. Sorry,

1103
00:47:47,744 --> 00:47:50,584
Speaker 3: still holds up today. And then you've got Ryan Philippi,

1104
00:47:50,704 --> 00:47:52,944
Speaker 3: who is in his very young and hot era, who

1105
00:47:53,024 --> 00:47:54,664
Speaker 3: felt like he was going to be way bigger than

1106
00:47:54,704 --> 00:47:56,904
Speaker 3: Leonardo DiCaprio. He wasn't, but he had a perfect movie.

1107
00:47:56,904 --> 00:47:59,024
Speaker 3: It was also when he and so Reese Witherspoon's in

1108
00:47:59,024 --> 00:48:01,424
Speaker 3: the movie too, and it was when Ryan and Reese

1109
00:48:01,464 --> 00:48:04,824
Speaker 3: were just falling madly in love. This is peak pop culture.

1110
00:48:04,944 --> 00:48:07,344
Speaker 3: I like devoured this story as a kid, that Ryan

1111
00:48:07,344 --> 00:48:09,504
Speaker 3: Philippi was so in love with Reese with a spoon

1112
00:48:09,864 --> 00:48:12,664
Speaker 3: during the and when his character has to do awful

1113
00:48:12,664 --> 00:48:15,024
Speaker 3: things to her, he would go outside and cry and

1114
00:48:15,064 --> 00:48:16,904
Speaker 3: shake and throw up because the thought of hurting her

1115
00:48:17,384 --> 00:48:18,384
Speaker 3: hurt him too much.

1116
00:48:18,664 --> 00:48:20,824
Speaker 4: Now, when you are thirteen or fourteen years old and

1117
00:48:20,864 --> 00:48:23,304
Speaker 4: you read that story, you want to die inside because

1118
00:48:23,264 --> 00:48:23,704
Speaker 4: you're like.

1119
00:48:23,704 --> 00:48:24,344
Speaker 1: That is love.

1120
00:48:24,464 --> 00:48:27,184
Speaker 3: That's love. Yeah, I still think that's love. Sorry. Anyway,

1121
00:48:27,184 --> 00:48:29,224
Speaker 3: this is all a long way to say that cruel

1122
00:48:29,224 --> 00:48:32,504
Speaker 3: intentions has been made into a TV show, which please let.

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00:48:32,384 --> 00:48:32,864
Speaker 1: It be good.

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00:48:32,904 --> 00:48:34,824
Speaker 4: For the love of God, please let us not be

1125
00:48:34,864 --> 00:48:35,464
Speaker 4: disappoint that.

1126
00:48:35,664 --> 00:48:37,304
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I wanted to bring it up because

1127
00:48:37,344 --> 00:48:39,784
Speaker 3: I think it is a good watch if you're looking

1128
00:48:39,864 --> 00:48:42,064
Speaker 3: for just like a bit of a sexy teen show

1129
00:48:42,144 --> 00:48:44,624
Speaker 3: to watch. Obviously, nothing is ever going to be the

1130
00:48:44,664 --> 00:48:48,624
Speaker 3: original Cruel Intentions. Also Joshua Jackson as an evil gay man,

1131
00:48:48,664 --> 00:48:50,464
Speaker 3: and that me like the hits just keep on coming.

1132
00:48:50,544 --> 00:48:54,184
Speaker 3: Selma Blair and Sarah Michelle Geller winning Best Kiss and

1133
00:48:54,224 --> 00:48:55,984
Speaker 3: then recreating it on stage.

1134
00:48:56,264 --> 00:48:57,344
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my.

1135
00:48:57,264 --> 00:48:59,304
Speaker 4: God, I feel like I feel like a teenager again

1136
00:48:59,384 --> 00:48:59,944
Speaker 4: just talking.

1137
00:48:59,704 --> 00:49:00,424
Speaker 1: About it, I know.

1138
00:49:00,664 --> 00:49:03,304
Speaker 3: So what I want people to do is, like, obviously

1139
00:49:03,384 --> 00:49:06,864
Speaker 3: watch the new Cruel Intentions TV series because it's eight episodes.

1140
00:49:06,904 --> 00:49:09,024
Speaker 3: It's all come out on Prime video this week, but

1141
00:49:09,144 --> 00:49:11,184
Speaker 3: either before or after that, make sure you watch the

1142
00:49:11,224 --> 00:49:13,064
Speaker 3: original movie just to you know, you get a sense

1143
00:49:13,064 --> 00:49:15,704
Speaker 3: of it. So they've changed up this time around because

1144
00:49:16,344 --> 00:49:18,984
Speaker 3: back to our talk from Yesday's episode about not having

1145
00:49:18,984 --> 00:49:21,624
Speaker 3: you know, sexy stuff around anymore, the creators thought they

1146
00:49:21,664 --> 00:49:23,624
Speaker 3: couldn't really set it in a high score as the

1147
00:49:23,904 --> 00:49:26,984
Speaker 3: movie was set, so instead it's set and a university

1148
00:49:27,504 --> 00:49:32,024
Speaker 3: a very fancy university called Manchester College, and this time

1149
00:49:32,104 --> 00:49:35,544
Speaker 3: around the leads are called Caroline and Lucian. So that's

1150
00:49:35,584 --> 00:49:38,304
Speaker 3: the rules that Sarah, Michelle Gella and Ryan Felippe paid

1151
00:49:38,304 --> 00:49:41,504
Speaker 3: in the original. There's still step siblings this time around,

1152
00:49:41,544 --> 00:49:42,104
Speaker 3: so that happens.

1153
00:49:42,224 --> 00:49:44,024
Speaker 4: I forgot there were step siblings as well. Oh my god,

1154
00:49:44,024 --> 00:49:46,384
Speaker 4: there were so many whizz sexual layers to this film.

1155
00:49:46,744 --> 00:49:47,824
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

1156
00:49:47,984 --> 00:49:50,744
Speaker 3: So there's step siblings once again, but they're at college,

1157
00:49:51,024 --> 00:49:54,024
Speaker 3: and much like the original movie, they have a bet

1158
00:49:54,104 --> 00:49:56,864
Speaker 3: to seduce Annie in this film, who is the kind

1159
00:49:56,864 --> 00:49:59,464
Speaker 3: of you know, outside of their crazy world. But in

1160
00:49:59,504 --> 00:50:02,064
Speaker 3: the original movie, the bet to seduce like the young

1161
00:50:02,144 --> 00:50:05,424
Speaker 3: virginal Annette, was made pretty much to get back at

1162
00:50:05,464 --> 00:50:07,504
Speaker 3: her in power and also just because they were bored.

1163
00:50:07,904 --> 00:50:10,664
Speaker 3: In this movie, Lucian makes a bet that he can

1164
00:50:10,704 --> 00:50:13,304
Speaker 3: seduce the very virginal Annie and this is quite funny

1165
00:50:13,304 --> 00:50:15,904
Speaker 3: because they're in a sorority and some bad stuff has

1166
00:50:15,944 --> 00:50:19,424
Speaker 3: happened and she is the daughter of the US Vice President.

1167
00:50:19,664 --> 00:50:21,624
Speaker 3: So if they think that if they seduce her and

1168
00:50:21,664 --> 00:50:24,424
Speaker 3: get her into the sorority, that then they will be

1169
00:50:24,464 --> 00:50:26,904
Speaker 3: allowed to continue their mnanigans.

1170
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Speaker 2: Being one of us has been holding the key to

1171
00:50:29,184 --> 00:50:30,384
Speaker 2: any door worth entering.

1172
00:50:30,784 --> 00:50:33,584
Speaker 1: It's about getting what we want, and trust me, I

1173
00:50:33,584 --> 00:50:37,104
Speaker 1: always get what I want. Their sister step sister, so.

1174
00:50:37,704 --> 00:50:40,264
Speaker 4: Andy Grover is the key. You know what they're not

1175
00:50:40,304 --> 00:50:43,784
Speaker 4: going to do? Kick the vice president's daughter sorority off campus.

1176
00:50:44,104 --> 00:50:46,384
Speaker 1: She's not even rich because her dad's on like a

1177
00:50:46,424 --> 00:50:47,304
Speaker 1: government salary and.

1178
00:50:47,464 --> 00:50:50,664
Speaker 3: More important things than money. SISSI since one. Yeah, so

1179
00:50:50,824 --> 00:50:53,544
Speaker 3: Cruel Intentions, there's eight episodes. It's the kind of thing

1180
00:50:53,584 --> 00:50:56,064
Speaker 3: like if you're just looking for like a sexy, fun watch.

1181
00:50:56,344 --> 00:50:57,864
Speaker 3: All the actors who are in the main cast are

1182
00:50:57,904 --> 00:51:00,024
Speaker 3: quite good if you're just looking for like a sexy

1183
00:51:00,024 --> 00:51:02,424
Speaker 3: watch to sit down and like just binge. Eight episodes

1184
00:51:02,424 --> 00:51:05,664
Speaker 3: on a Sunday. Cruel Intentions on Prime Video would be that,

1185
00:51:05,824 --> 00:51:07,624
Speaker 3: But just make sure you watch the original movie.

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00:51:07,744 --> 00:51:11,344
Speaker 1: Is one. Agree, Agree, Thank you so much for listening

1187
00:51:11,424 --> 00:51:14,944
Speaker 1: to this episode of the Spill. We do so many

1188
00:51:15,064 --> 00:51:17,824
Speaker 1: really honest reviews. We're gonna link a bunch of them

1189
00:51:17,904 --> 00:51:20,304
Speaker 1: in the show notes. Make sure you watch them first

1190
00:51:20,384 --> 00:51:23,144
Speaker 1: because we do talk about spoilers and get in deep.

1191
00:51:23,424 --> 00:51:25,304
Speaker 1: But we will be back here in your podcast speed

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00:51:25,344 --> 00:51:32,904
Speaker 1: at three pm on Monday. Bye Byel