WEBVTT - EXTRA: Bruna Papandrea on Hollywood, Lupus, and The Body Saying No 0:00:08.234 --> 0:00:15.514 You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Hello, it's Holly Wayne 0:00:15.594 --> 0:00:16.034 right here. 0:00:16.154 --> 0:00:18.994 One of the great things about Unleashed is how much 0:00:19.034 --> 0:00:22.714 you've fallen for the hosts, these brilliant, brilliant women. And 0:00:22.834 --> 0:00:27.474 if you love Bruna Papenrea, her stories, her opinions, her 0:00:27.594 --> 0:00:30.234 very casual. Oh yes, when I was making Wild with 0:00:30.354 --> 0:00:34.354 Reese Witherspoon energy, I have something just for you because 0:00:34.394 --> 0:00:37.954 before Bruna pap Andrea was Ununleashed, I interviewed her for 0:00:38.153 --> 0:00:40.514 mid and yes we know she's one of the most 0:00:40.553 --> 0:00:45.233 successful Australians in Hollywood. She's the super producer behind Gone Girl, Wild, 0:00:45.314 --> 0:00:47.873 Big Little Lies and Strife. But there's a part of 0:00:47.873 --> 0:00:50.873 Bruna's story you might not know so much about. Looking 0:00:50.913 --> 0:00:53.434 at what a power house she is, you would never 0:00:53.513 --> 0:00:57.594 guess what she lives with privately. So as requested by you, 0:00:58.114 --> 0:01:00.673 more Bruna and a deeper look at the women you've 0:01:00.674 --> 0:01:10.354 come to love Ununleashed. Here is my conversation with Bruna Papenrea. 0:01:11.034 --> 0:01:15.674 What you see a capable woman that most unsurprising of things, 0:01:15.874 --> 0:01:18.474 She's got it together, she gets shit done. She's a 0:01:18.514 --> 0:01:21.754 swirl of perpetual motion, a blur of texts and chat 0:01:21.794 --> 0:01:26.234 and pinging, calendar alerts. Want something done, ask a busy woman. 0:01:26.594 --> 0:01:29.514 That's what they say. That's what you see. What you 0:01:29.634 --> 0:01:33.874 don't see is what it takes. Because the toll is invisible, 0:01:33.914 --> 0:01:37.714 and sometimes so is the pain. Some of the busiest 0:01:37.794 --> 0:01:40.954 women you know are also the ones pushing through the most. 0:01:41.634 --> 0:01:46.554 You look fine to me, people say as they observe her, moving, fixing, caring, sorting. 0:01:47.434 --> 0:01:51.874 What's underneath the unending motion for some a tactical battle 0:01:51.874 --> 0:01:56.554 with a wily enemy. The careful scheduling, the relentless appointments, 0:01:56.914 --> 0:02:00.874 a search for the latest cure, the supplements, the meds, 0:02:00.914 --> 0:02:05.354 the strict sleep rules often broken, the carefully counted spoons, 0:02:05.834 --> 0:02:11.394 portions of energy carefully spent, the payoffs, the collapse, the rebuild. 0:02:12.554 --> 0:02:15.794 By mid Often our bodies have found new and dastardly 0:02:15.874 --> 0:02:18.954 ways of getting our attention. If you won't slow down, 0:02:19.114 --> 0:02:22.194 they mutter, as our hormones rage, I will put you 0:02:22.314 --> 0:02:26.314 on your ass. But our minds they're not slowing. They're 0:02:26.314 --> 0:02:31.074 pumping creativities up. Wisdom is surging. For many, energy is 0:02:31.114 --> 0:02:33.754 returning after being handed to others for so long. 0:02:34.034 --> 0:02:36.554 We don't want to lie down, And yet. 0:02:36.914 --> 0:02:41.234 Women living with invisible quiet chronic conditions are in a 0:02:41.314 --> 0:02:44.394 constant conflict with how much their bodies must cost them. 0:02:45.194 --> 0:02:49.714 They're ambition perhaps that time with the kids, maybe, but 0:02:49.794 --> 0:02:53.914 most likely not the work, the caring. It gets done 0:02:54.154 --> 0:02:58.513 because busy driven women do, even when their bodies are shouting. 0:02:59.194 --> 0:03:02.154 Don't hello. 0:03:02.434 --> 0:03:07.034 I'm Holly Wainwright and I am mid mid life, mid family, 0:03:07.474 --> 0:03:12.194 mid strive. Today I'm talking about ambition with one of 0:03:12.194 --> 0:03:16.554 the most successful Australian women in Hollywood. But it's not 0:03:16.594 --> 0:03:19.194 a simple story because, as she might have gathered from 0:03:19.194 --> 0:03:24.034 today's introduction, Bruna pap Andrea's success and it's significant success 0:03:24.074 --> 0:03:25.634 she runs through an production company. 0:03:25.754 --> 0:03:29.034 She is the woman behind movies like Wild and Gone 0:03:29.114 --> 0:03:29.794 Girl and The. 0:03:29.834 --> 0:03:33.154 Dry, and TV shows like Big Little Lies and The Undoing, 0:03:33.194 --> 0:03:36.594 and of course Strife, which was Mia Friedman's memoir brought 0:03:36.594 --> 0:03:39.994 to life. All this success comes despite of or she 0:03:40.114 --> 0:03:43.434 might suggest, because of the fact she lives with lupus. 0:03:43.834 --> 0:03:48.034 Lupus is a chronic autoimmune disease, and like other forms 0:03:48.034 --> 0:03:52.354 of insidious invisible illnesses and conditions, it makes everything harder 0:03:53.114 --> 0:03:55.714 for Brunna, who lives in Sydney with her family now 0:03:55.754 --> 0:03:58.194 but has lived and still works all over the world. 0:03:58.714 --> 0:04:00.914 It means that some days getting out of bed is 0:04:01.034 --> 0:04:05.994 almost impossible, and every morning she wakes with pain. It 0:04:06.154 --> 0:04:08.314 means for Bruna that she has to watch her diet 0:04:08.354 --> 0:04:10.874 her stress levels. Not that easy when you employ whole 0:04:10.874 --> 0:04:13.754 crews of people and are juggling multimillion dollar budgets. 0:04:14.034 --> 0:04:16.354 That having her longed for kids was difficult. 0:04:16.553 --> 0:04:19.834 That she's always trialing new treatments, always hoping for a cure, 0:04:19.993 --> 0:04:23.833 always dreading an escalation. But the thing is, Bruna is 0:04:23.873 --> 0:04:26.953 the least self pitying person you can imagine. She is 0:04:27.034 --> 0:04:30.313 intensely driven, an enormous fun. She thinks that the things 0:04:30.313 --> 0:04:32.393 that have challenged her from a childhood growing up in 0:04:32.433 --> 0:04:35.474 housing commission to her loopus are actually. 0:04:35.113 --> 0:04:36.953 The superpowers that drive her. 0:04:37.594 --> 0:04:39.594 And the reason I was so keen to get her 0:04:39.633 --> 0:04:42.154 on the mid is because I'm fascinated by two things 0:04:42.154 --> 0:04:44.193 that Bruna is in a unique place to tell me. 0:04:44.794 --> 0:04:48.553 Does ambition dissipate or intensify in midlife when you've already 0:04:48.594 --> 0:04:51.794 achieved so much? And how do you do all that 0:04:51.834 --> 0:04:55.474 she does when you live in chronic discomfort? The last 0:04:55.474 --> 0:04:57.794 bit I knew would resonate with so many of you 0:04:57.914 --> 0:05:00.073 listening because although you might not be hanging out with 0:05:00.154 --> 0:05:01.874 movie stars in Hollywood. 0:05:01.553 --> 0:05:03.234 I don't know your life. Maybe you are. 0:05:03.633 --> 0:05:08.314 It's perfectly possible and likely considering a very large percentage 0:05:08.313 --> 0:05:11.354 of mid life women do live with a conditioned disability 0:05:11.433 --> 0:05:15.954 or illness that make sure every day a sometimes insurmountable challenge. 0:05:16.193 --> 0:05:17.354 This one is for you. 0:05:19.993 --> 0:05:28.154 Welcome to mid the irrepressible Bruna Papenrea, Bruna Holly. To 0:05:28.234 --> 0:05:30.913 prepare for this chat today, I went back and listened 0:05:30.914 --> 0:05:32.753 to the chat you did with mea on No Filter 0:05:32.873 --> 0:05:35.314 a while ago now, and we'll put a link in 0:05:35.313 --> 0:05:36.833 the show notes to it so people can listen. 0:05:36.914 --> 0:05:37.834 Yeah, it was. 0:05:37.794 --> 0:05:41.713 Pre pandemic, you were living in La Still. Yeah, you 0:05:41.914 --> 0:05:46.273 had just I think finished filming Big Little Lies the 0:05:46.354 --> 0:05:47.113 first season. 0:05:47.513 --> 0:05:49.674 Wow, Yes it was. It was back then, and I 0:05:49.714 --> 0:05:54.193 think it was your first TV adaptation. Yes, right. 0:05:55.034 --> 0:05:57.674 Since that interview, I went and did my little, very 0:05:57.873 --> 0:06:03.034 in depth IMDb research. You have apparently brought around sixteen 0:06:03.073 --> 0:06:06.794 other projects all the way to the screen, which include 0:06:06.834 --> 0:06:10.113 movie like The Dry of Course, and lots more TV shows. 0:06:10.513 --> 0:06:11.873 You were saying in that interview, I want to do 0:06:11.873 --> 0:06:13.873 more of those, Yeah, and of course you have the undoing, 0:06:13.953 --> 0:06:16.113 I'm perfect, strangers, lost of Lars, balance, hut, and of 0:06:16.154 --> 0:06:20.113 course strife. Yes, the adaptation of me is bemoir. You've 0:06:20.113 --> 0:06:25.393 also moved your family back to Australia, and I'm tired 0:06:25.753 --> 0:06:28.594 just saying all of those things, which is why I 0:06:28.633 --> 0:06:32.954 wanted to talk to you about work, ambition and just 0:06:33.354 --> 0:06:35.513 leaning into it at this phase of our lives. Do 0:06:35.553 --> 0:06:38.433 you feel as ambitious now as you did at twenty five? 0:06:39.993 --> 0:06:42.674 Yes, I would say I feel more ambitious now, actually 0:06:42.794 --> 0:06:45.633 much more. I'd say I'm more ambitious in this moment 0:06:45.674 --> 0:06:48.194 in time than I've ever been. Why do you think 0:06:48.234 --> 0:06:52.634 that is? I think because I feel I mean, I've 0:06:52.633 --> 0:06:54.793 heard it talked about a lot on your show. Actually 0:06:54.834 --> 0:06:57.873 because I think what I didn't realize when I was 0:06:57.953 --> 0:07:02.313 younger is that you know, it kind of sneaks up 0:07:02.354 --> 0:07:04.794 on you, like not the knowledge that the you know, 0:07:04.873 --> 0:07:08.073 kind of institutional knowledge that you know we all learn 0:07:08.154 --> 0:07:12.114 and then carry. And I feel like I know more, 0:07:13.074 --> 0:07:15.994 I know my taste more, I know more, I have 0:07:16.034 --> 0:07:21.393 bigger relationships. So I feel really just emboldened and kind 0:07:21.434 --> 0:07:23.794 of on fire. And I think that's a sad thing 0:07:23.953 --> 0:07:26.833 about getting older. That's the good thing about getting older. 0:07:26.834 --> 0:07:29.393 But what's hard is like your body is getting older, 0:07:29.554 --> 0:07:33.834 particularly as you go into menopause, but you've never felt 0:07:33.914 --> 0:07:38.473 more clarity a vision and vision itself and creatives and 0:07:38.514 --> 0:07:41.874 so it's a strange time. I also have young children, 0:07:41.994 --> 0:07:45.593 so that's also strange at fifty three to have young children. Still. 0:07:45.914 --> 0:07:48.434 You and Iron similar boats with that. We were both 0:07:48.634 --> 0:07:52.234 late as it were. Do you think though, when you 0:07:52.274 --> 0:07:54.953 think about how your ambition and your drive has morphed, 0:07:54.953 --> 0:07:57.754 because there's no way that you would ever be who 0:07:57.794 --> 0:07:59.914 you are without having also been very ambitious. 0:07:59.953 --> 0:08:00.874 Yes, yes I was. 0:08:00.914 --> 0:08:03.434 I was ambitious from like a kid, being any kid 0:08:03.594 --> 0:08:05.794 you've talked about. You said to me or in that 0:08:05.874 --> 0:08:09.074 interview that you think part of that was your upbringing. 0:08:09.194 --> 0:08:12.874 I'm the fact that you grew up without money, in home, 0:08:13.034 --> 0:08:16.234 in public housing, a single mum, And you said that 0:08:16.234 --> 0:08:19.674 that background has made you fearless because you had nothing 0:08:19.674 --> 0:08:20.153 to lose. 0:08:20.234 --> 0:08:21.354 Yep, I still feel like that. 0:08:21.594 --> 0:08:24.074 And it's funny because some people from a similar background 0:08:24.114 --> 0:08:26.234 say the opposite. They say they're so afraid of ever 0:08:26.274 --> 0:08:29.434 being back there that it makes them risk averse. 0:08:29.874 --> 0:08:32.234 Why do you think so different for you? Yeah? I 0:08:32.274 --> 0:08:35.514 mean I understand both sides of that. I think that 0:08:36.394 --> 0:08:39.874 you know ultimately, I think that I talk about this 0:08:39.954 --> 0:08:41.674 a lot. If I was ever going to do a 0:08:41.674 --> 0:08:44.234 Ted talk, my Ted talok would be called like invisible superpower, 0:08:44.354 --> 0:08:47.354 because I think that your upbringing can be your superpower. 0:08:47.954 --> 0:08:52.034 And I think because I know the value of just 0:08:52.034 --> 0:08:54.634 not the value, but I think I'm such a believer 0:08:54.754 --> 0:08:57.954 because I came from you cannot imagine. Like if I 0:08:57.954 --> 0:09:01.194 look now and I go, how did that girl get here? 0:09:02.314 --> 0:09:04.154 I think it's kind of even I look back and go, 0:09:04.234 --> 0:09:05.754 how did that happen? 0:09:05.554 --> 0:09:08.234 When people will ask you that all the time very curiously, yeah, 0:09:08.314 --> 0:09:08.914 no they do. 0:09:08.914 --> 0:09:11.114 Do you have a simple like do you have a 0:09:11.154 --> 0:09:13.874 pat answer for that? Or not? Really? No, I mean, look, 0:09:13.914 --> 0:09:17.194 the answer I always give to young people is expose 0:09:17.274 --> 0:09:20.234 yourself and put yourself in the way of any opportunity, 0:09:20.274 --> 0:09:23.434 even if you think it's not the one that will 0:09:23.514 --> 0:09:25.194 lead you to where you want to be. But expose 0:09:25.234 --> 0:09:29.354 yourselves to as many opportunities as possible. Because you know, 0:09:29.914 --> 0:09:32.994 working in a restaurant, for instance, taught me how to communicate, 0:09:33.474 --> 0:09:36.034 you know, and how to interface with people. You know. 0:09:36.074 --> 0:09:38.234 You wouldn't think that would be a natural progression to producing, 0:09:38.274 --> 0:09:40.634 but actually it is, you know, and I think that, 0:09:41.314 --> 0:09:44.034 you know, I do think in a creative field particularly, 0:09:44.074 --> 0:09:45.994 I've never let money be my driver. I think that's 0:09:46.034 --> 0:09:48.154 the key, you know, and some things have been very 0:09:48.154 --> 0:09:51.034 successful for me. But I still make things where I 0:09:51.074 --> 0:09:55.434 invest reinvest in my entire fee because again, I'm not 0:09:55.514 --> 0:09:58.794 driven by money. I'm driven by you know, wanting to 0:09:58.834 --> 0:10:01.834 put something great and creative into the world. So, you know, 0:10:01.914 --> 0:10:03.874 I think it is a superpower I think. I mean, 0:10:03.914 --> 0:10:05.874 I worry a bit for my kids actually, because they're 0:10:05.874 --> 0:10:07.514 going to go very differently to how I grew up. 0:10:07.994 --> 0:10:11.434 You know. I remember my first you know, borroing money 0:10:11.434 --> 0:10:13.794 to buy my first thousand dollar car. I remember buying 0:10:13.834 --> 0:10:17.674 my first five thousand dollar car. I really remember buying 0:10:17.674 --> 0:10:20.394 my first brand new car and the sense of achievement 0:10:20.514 --> 0:10:23.154 I had from that. So I think that that's the 0:10:23.234 --> 0:10:25.874 kind of superpower I'm talking about. I think it drives 0:10:25.874 --> 0:10:28.594 you in a way because we're survivors, right, you have 0:10:28.714 --> 0:10:31.674 to survive. It's you know. I think it's very different 0:10:31.674 --> 0:10:35.314 when you have to make a decision based on paying 0:10:35.394 --> 0:10:39.154 bills other than you know, or just like based on 0:10:39.314 --> 0:10:42.834 sometimes people with too much money, have too many choices. Yeah, 0:10:42.834 --> 0:10:43.714 that's interesting. 0:10:43.834 --> 0:10:47.634 I wanted to ask you about money because, as we've said, 0:10:47.714 --> 0:10:50.434 you talk about coming from nothing, and your work is 0:10:50.634 --> 0:10:53.394 constant risk in a way, as she just said, you know, 0:10:53.434 --> 0:10:56.634 you might have a massive success and then reinvest and 0:10:56.674 --> 0:11:00.274 then the payback in all ways is often long term. 0:11:00.874 --> 0:11:04.434 As having money now changed you and your relationship to ambition. 0:11:04.834 --> 0:11:06.714 Still don't know as much as you're thinking now I'm 0:11:06.714 --> 0:11:09.634 getting because in all seriousness, I think I have pulled 0:11:09.714 --> 0:11:12.794 so much back in because I feel like we're just 0:11:13.114 --> 0:11:15.714 you know, growing and growing the company. And I've also 0:11:16.034 --> 0:11:20.154 survived through six years of a pandemic and two massive 0:11:20.154 --> 0:11:24.314 work stoppages without letting one single person go, you know, 0:11:24.354 --> 0:11:26.474 without letting a staff member go, which was you know, 0:11:26.554 --> 0:11:28.714 probably the most I would say, business wise, the most 0:11:28.714 --> 0:11:30.594 stressful few years in my life. 0:11:30.754 --> 0:11:33.154 Does that say something about your priorities that you were like, 0:11:33.234 --> 0:11:37.154 we're keeping everybody together and we're keeping these projects moving 0:11:37.274 --> 0:11:38.514 rather than rationalization. 0:11:38.914 --> 0:11:41.714 Shit, this is scary. Yeah, I think it's too Bactually 0:11:41.754 --> 0:11:43.874 not just me. I mean Steve is my partner, my husband, 0:11:43.914 --> 0:11:45.634 and my co founder, and he and I I cut 0:11:45.634 --> 0:11:48.514 from exactly the same cloth. We I think would both 0:11:48.914 --> 0:11:51.394 give our friends our last dollar if they needed it. 0:11:51.394 --> 0:11:53.474 Like we are just both like cut from that cloth, 0:11:53.514 --> 0:11:56.234 where you know, if there is a need, then we 0:11:56.274 --> 0:11:57.994 can help in any way we can. So I think 0:11:58.074 --> 0:12:02.074 there's that. But also I think I definitely have restructured 0:12:02.114 --> 0:12:03.714 things a bit in the last few years. I've definitely, 0:12:03.714 --> 0:12:06.874 as I've gotten older, kind of taken AM one thousand 0:12:06.914 --> 0:12:09.634 four view, and I have gotten a little bit to 0:12:09.634 --> 0:12:11.314 the point where I'm like anyone who runs a business. 0:12:11.314 --> 0:12:13.274 I mean, I just have so much respect for anyone 0:12:13.314 --> 0:12:15.154 who runs a business because I think until you do 0:12:15.914 --> 0:12:19.834 the stress of, like you know, just maintaining and paying people. 0:12:20.434 --> 0:12:22.874 So and I definitely do feel like sometimes, you know, 0:12:22.954 --> 0:12:25.794 through some of the more difficult times, I have worked 0:12:25.874 --> 0:12:27.914 to pay other people when I'm not paying myself, and 0:12:28.194 --> 0:12:30.794 that you know, that can just put an enormous amount 0:12:30.794 --> 0:12:32.954 of stress on your own life. And we are the 0:12:33.034 --> 0:12:36.674 lucky ones, like we have not stopped filming through any 0:12:36.714 --> 0:12:41.874 of these periods. Constant adaptation, right, yeah, yeah, rules, yes, 0:12:42.114 --> 0:12:44.794 And that's I think partly what I mean by the superpower. 0:12:44.794 --> 0:12:48.594 When COVID hit, I feel like I was okay because 0:12:48.714 --> 0:12:50.994 I was like Okay, well what do we do? How 0:12:50.994 --> 0:12:53.514 do we? You know? We you know, we started a 0:12:53.514 --> 0:12:55.194 fund to raise some money for cruise. We raised a 0:12:55.194 --> 0:12:58.034 million dollars for crews who couldn't work. We were able 0:12:58.074 --> 0:13:00.234 to come to a straighter and work. Steve and I 0:13:00.234 --> 0:13:03.274 are both very flexible and very adaptable, and that's the 0:13:03.314 --> 0:13:05.634 one thing I've realized in business, you just have to 0:13:05.674 --> 0:13:08.674 be you have to be flexible. And in fact, that's 0:13:08.754 --> 0:13:13.034 just something parenthood, all of it, all of it. Health 0:13:13.274 --> 0:13:15.354 do just have to be flexible. Have you ever been 0:13:15.354 --> 0:13:19.794 burnt out? Oh? Yeah, well you know, yes, yes, yes 0:13:19.874 --> 0:13:21.874 you have. I mean, I think the problem with me 0:13:22.354 --> 0:13:26.274 is that this is again I'm just I'm going to say, 0:13:26.274 --> 0:13:28.234 I'm such a fan of your podcast because I've there's 0:13:28.274 --> 0:13:31.194 so many touch points for me, and I think one 0:13:31.194 --> 0:13:35.434 of the biggest ones is realizing that just at the 0:13:35.434 --> 0:13:38.434 point you kind of feel like you know, are just 0:13:38.514 --> 0:13:42.514 getting started, you are dealing with you know, not me 0:13:42.674 --> 0:13:44.114 so much in this moment, but like I have so 0:13:44.154 --> 0:13:46.994 many friends dealing with aging parents, parents who are dying. 0:13:47.794 --> 0:13:51.354 I'm also dealing with, you know, a pretty extreme health condition, 0:13:51.994 --> 0:13:55.834 and I'm dealing with two eleven year olds and also 0:13:55.954 --> 0:13:59.194 running a business. So yes, because I'm a very high 0:13:59.234 --> 0:14:01.954 functioning person with lupus. And every time I meet another 0:14:02.034 --> 0:14:04.274 high functioning person or meet them, even when I hear 0:14:04.314 --> 0:14:07.874 about one, you know, Selena Gomez, you know, one of 0:14:07.874 --> 0:14:11.354 the Willen's sisters. You know, it gives me. It just 0:14:11.594 --> 0:14:14.314 kind of makes me feel good because I'm like, well, 0:14:14.354 --> 0:14:17.474 they can do it. So yeah, sometimes I will just crash, 0:14:17.554 --> 0:14:20.634 and just because if I'm not looking after myself, which 0:14:20.674 --> 0:14:23.954 is crucial and as women, I think we do often. 0:14:24.794 --> 0:14:26.554 I think there's some crazy stat that women go to 0:14:26.554 --> 0:14:28.954 the doctor and look after themselves so much less after 0:14:28.994 --> 0:14:31.994 they have children. We just prioritize things in a different way. 0:14:32.514 --> 0:14:37.554 So I think all that combined with perimenopause and then menopause, yeah, 0:14:37.634 --> 0:14:41.994 it's been that. Lupus is also which I've really found 0:14:42.034 --> 0:14:46.474 in those years. It's really triggered for me by hormonal changes. Right, 0:14:46.794 --> 0:14:50.194 So pregnancy, most people go into remission. I didn't. I 0:14:50.234 --> 0:14:52.154 was one of the unlucky ones that it got worse 0:14:53.354 --> 0:14:56.874 through my twin pregnancy at forty one. And then of 0:14:56.914 --> 0:15:00.714 course menopause brings on a whole lot of other such challenges. 0:15:00.914 --> 0:15:03.034 I want to ask you about what that looks like, right, 0:15:03.114 --> 0:15:06.994 because you have said, you know, you have tried lots 0:15:07.034 --> 0:15:10.914 of different treatments. Let's explain a little bit for people 0:15:10.954 --> 0:15:12.314 what lupus is if. 0:15:12.194 --> 0:15:15.874 They don't know. You were diagnosed with it in about 0:15:15.914 --> 0:15:18.754 twenty ten, Is that right? Exactly? There was diagnosed literally 0:15:18.874 --> 0:15:21.034 days before I got married. That's how I always remember. 0:15:21.194 --> 0:15:24.074 And what led you to that? Like what was had? Yeah, 0:15:24.154 --> 0:15:25.754 so I was having a lot of pains in my 0:15:25.834 --> 0:15:28.154 hands and feet that I couldn't explain. So I was 0:15:28.154 --> 0:15:30.034 having my hands X rayed and I was having my 0:15:30.114 --> 0:15:33.034 feed x ray and you know those people who pushed 0:15:33.074 --> 0:15:35.514 through things usually like yeah, because I do think I 0:15:35.594 --> 0:15:37.954 actually have a pretty high pain tolerance. But it was 0:15:38.154 --> 0:15:41.154 very consistent. I mean, that's when you realize what loopers is. 0:15:41.194 --> 0:15:43.354 You realize it's just very consistent. It's like, you know, 0:15:43.954 --> 0:15:47.194 the closest thing that people will understand is the you know, 0:15:47.274 --> 0:15:51.434 the symptoms of mimic rheumatoidithritis. So I was X raying 0:15:51.434 --> 0:15:54.514 all these things and nothing was showing up. And finally 0:15:54.554 --> 0:15:56.794 they just kept testing, you know, various blood tests and 0:15:56.834 --> 0:15:59.354 then you know, you get enough markers and I tested 0:15:59.514 --> 0:16:02.554 positive for both this thing called an SSA marker and 0:16:03.354 --> 0:16:06.354 the Loopers marker. Then it was clear. So that's when 0:16:06.354 --> 0:16:09.834 I was kind of a to a rheumatologist. And it's 0:16:09.874 --> 0:16:11.554 so such a funny one. You know, if you watch 0:16:11.554 --> 0:16:13.554 a lot of medical TV shows, they're like, it's loopers. 0:16:13.594 --> 0:16:15.074 Like when they can't explain what it is, I'm like, 0:16:15.114 --> 0:16:17.554 oh my god, it's so funny. What cause is it? 0:16:18.314 --> 0:16:21.954 They don't really know. I can tell you what causes 0:16:22.274 --> 0:16:27.234 for me flares and to be exacerbated. It's obviously inflammation 0:16:27.354 --> 0:16:28.954 in your whole body. And when I say your whole body, 0:16:28.954 --> 0:16:31.434 like sometimes my eyes will be sore. I have inflammation 0:16:31.474 --> 0:16:34.594 on my brain. Unfortunately, I have inflammation on my heart. 0:16:34.754 --> 0:16:37.754 What does that mean? So loopers? Right now, I have 0:16:37.914 --> 0:16:43.514 non organ interfering Loopers. And what that means is like 0:16:44.114 --> 0:16:47.714 it's not interfered with organ so much that I need 0:16:47.714 --> 0:16:50.074 like a liver transplant or a kidney transplant. So you 0:16:50.114 --> 0:16:51.514 have to keep an eye on it. So when I 0:16:51.554 --> 0:16:54.114 first got diagnosed, I was getting blood work every eight weeks, 0:16:54.114 --> 0:16:58.634 say to nine weeks, just testing for everything. So one 0:16:58.674 --> 0:17:00.154 of the the you know, I suppose one of the 0:17:00.194 --> 0:17:03.554 bigger things is the inflammation of my brain which just 0:17:03.594 --> 0:17:05.954 means white matter on your brain. So it's just inflammation 0:17:06.074 --> 0:17:07.394 like like it could be in the body, can be 0:17:07.434 --> 0:17:11.033 on the brain. So basically, for me, what that means 0:17:11.074 --> 0:17:13.754 is I get a brain MRI every year to make 0:17:13.754 --> 0:17:17.154 sure that it's stable, and so far it has been stable. 0:17:17.434 --> 0:17:19.194 And then the same with the heart. I'm on a 0:17:19.194 --> 0:17:21.914 low dose statin because it's very minor, but I just 0:17:21.954 --> 0:17:23.834 have to keep a check on it. I mean, I 0:17:24.074 --> 0:17:25.954 always say to my friends, well, you know, at least 0:17:25.994 --> 0:17:27.634 if I'm ever going to get anything, they're going to 0:17:27.674 --> 0:17:30.194 find it because I get checked a lot, and I'm 0:17:30.234 --> 0:17:33.513 pretty I'm pretty good now about being religious about getting checked. 0:17:33.634 --> 0:17:36.394 When that first happened to you and you were your 0:17:36.434 --> 0:17:39.513 careers in full flight, You're about to get married, was 0:17:39.554 --> 0:17:41.274 there ever a moment where you went, oh, my god, 0:17:41.274 --> 0:17:43.114 I'm going to have to stop, like I'm going to 0:17:43.194 --> 0:17:46.194 have this is going to stop me from doing the 0:17:46.234 --> 0:17:47.034 things I want to do. 0:17:48.034 --> 0:17:50.194 Yeah, I don't think so. I mean it definitely, I 0:17:50.234 --> 0:17:52.954 still get freaked out about it. It's still kind of 0:17:53.434 --> 0:17:55.154 I'm really optimistic about it because I think there's a 0:17:55.154 --> 0:17:56.874 lot of great research and I think there will be 0:17:56.874 --> 0:17:57.194 a cure. 0:17:57.234 --> 0:17:59.874 In my lifetime. Do you take you obviously, I know 0:17:59.874 --> 0:18:00.594 you've tried heaps. 0:18:00.754 --> 0:18:03.234 No, I don't take anything right now. No. For a 0:18:03.394 --> 0:18:04.994 very short amount of time, I took pred in the 0:18:05.074 --> 0:18:09.033 zone and then for me personally, it helps the symptoms, 0:18:09.074 --> 0:18:11.793 but it doesn't cure you. So I felt like for 0:18:11.874 --> 0:18:14.634 me that the long term use of steroids was more 0:18:14.674 --> 0:18:17.674 of a negative. And what I found for me was 0:18:17.674 --> 0:18:20.474 that if I ate kind of an anti inflammatory diet 0:18:20.474 --> 0:18:24.354 and if I exercised, and if I kept my stress 0:18:24.434 --> 0:18:26.474 levels down, that I could keep it under control. Stress 0:18:26.514 --> 0:18:30.074 levels down exactly. It's actually the worst. 0:18:30.154 --> 0:18:32.714 I can't imagine that the stress levels that we were 0:18:32.754 --> 0:18:36.754 just discussing, the people you employ, the money, the high stakes. 0:18:36.754 --> 0:18:39.794 I don't think that like working in Hollywood has ever 0:18:39.834 --> 0:18:40.994 been considered. 0:18:41.274 --> 0:18:45.954 Well, in a weird way, I think that that stresses. 0:18:45.954 --> 0:18:48.594 I would say for me and other people I know 0:18:48.634 --> 0:18:51.754 with Loper's And I know if you stress is the biggest, 0:18:52.154 --> 0:18:54.834 you know, kind of a fender and biggest stress drives 0:18:54.874 --> 0:18:57.513 up your blood pressure, blood pressure, you know, is it 0:18:57.634 --> 0:18:59.914 really puts me in danger for certain things? So my 0:18:59.994 --> 0:19:03.114 blood pressure. So I actually I think I reached a 0:19:03.154 --> 0:19:06.194 certain point. I would say not not when I got diagnosed, 0:19:06.194 --> 0:19:08.593 but I think within the line five years where I 0:19:08.674 --> 0:19:11.994 just don't stress this small stuff anymore. And I think 0:19:11.994 --> 0:19:14.874 that's exactly how I started off saying that. I think 0:19:14.914 --> 0:19:18.434 that in a way, as you get older, you learn 0:19:18.474 --> 0:19:21.794 that the smaller stuff doesn't matter and you can't change things. 0:19:21.874 --> 0:19:24.594 My husband's very good at reminding me, particularly in Hollywood, 0:19:24.634 --> 0:19:27.874 when you know, look, it's none of it's personal, number one. 0:19:28.354 --> 0:19:31.554 You know, an actor's availability, the stress on their lives, 0:19:31.914 --> 0:19:33.914 whether a filmmaker can do it, whether someone's going to 0:19:33.954 --> 0:19:36.394 give you the money to make something. You know, it's 0:19:36.394 --> 0:19:38.874 not personal. It's business. And so I really, I think 0:19:39.074 --> 0:19:42.474 learned to put that in perspective. And so I've been 0:19:42.514 --> 0:19:46.314 pretty good about keeping my stress under control. But more 0:19:46.354 --> 0:19:50.513 recently i've you know, I'm such a fan of It's like, 0:19:50.554 --> 0:19:52.474 you know, years ago, when like everyone was eating kale 0:19:52.474 --> 0:19:54.354 and you're like, did k We'll get a publicist, or 0:19:54.434 --> 0:19:56.994 like suddenly it was gogieberries and you're like, did you know? 0:19:57.234 --> 0:19:59.594 So the most recent thing we're all talking about, which 0:19:59.594 --> 0:20:01.874 has been a game changer for me is infrared saunas 0:20:01.874 --> 0:20:02.874 and confin. 0:20:02.834 --> 0:20:04.674 I was going to ask you, what, yeah, what your 0:20:04.874 --> 0:20:07.154 sort of routine is look like this is new. And 0:20:07.234 --> 0:20:10.114 also having lived in LA for a long time, I'm 0:20:10.154 --> 0:20:13.194 sure that you also like you're exposed to a lot 0:20:13.274 --> 0:20:17.514 of really interesting therapy is and every famous person's podcast 0:20:17.554 --> 0:20:19.513 I listened to, they're doing a lot of things every year. 0:20:20.354 --> 0:20:22.833 So tell me about the routines that help you. 0:20:22.994 --> 0:20:25.354 Yeah, so I was lucky enough, and I do think 0:20:25.514 --> 0:20:28.274 and in fact, I would love to see Australia open 0:20:28.314 --> 0:20:31.154 a clinic like this. There is a clinic that I 0:20:31.154 --> 0:20:33.634 discovered really early into my loopers called a Tune and 0:20:33.674 --> 0:20:36.674 it's an auto It's a clinic only for autoimmune diseases 0:20:37.354 --> 0:20:41.634 and they believe in not just the scientific based medications, 0:20:41.674 --> 0:20:44.194 but they had a full time nutritionist on staff. They 0:20:44.274 --> 0:20:47.274