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Speaker 2: It just feels like I've got my life in order.

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Speaker 3: Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 4: Hello and welcome do You Beauty? The daily podcast for

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Speaker 4: your Face. I'm Aaron Dockerty, and welcome to the formula.

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Speaker 4: Every week I sit down with celebs and some of

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Speaker 4: the biggest names in beauty and take a look into

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Speaker 4: their skincare routines and u vies.

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Speaker 2: In case you.

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Speaker 4: Missed it, there's now a whole slew of body products

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Speaker 4: on the market embracing all things we once hid, from

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Speaker 4: fiery chafed thighs to spicy, sweaty under boobs and ingrown hair.

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Speaker 4: Because size and body inclusivity is finally shifting across into

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Speaker 4: the beauty world and we are here for it. One

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Speaker 4: person leading the way Melbourne based Jess King. She's one

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Speaker 4: of the country's leading curve models and has been one

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Speaker 4: of the biggest influential figures within Australia's fashion industry for

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Speaker 4: over a decade, helping pioneer the body positivity movement within Australia.

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Speaker 4: Jess uses her growing digital platforms to speak on the

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Speaker 4: importance of size inclusivity and body diversity.

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Speaker 1: When I was eight years old, I also went on

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Speaker 1: I grew up in the magazine era, and I was

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Speaker 1: led to believe that women's bodies came under two categories,

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Speaker 1: you had boobs, you were toned. She had a flat

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Speaker 1: complete opposite. I lived and breathed these unofficial guidelines like

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Speaker 1: there was some kind of bible. If they told me

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Speaker 1: When they said that Jessica Simpson was fat, or Lindsay

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Speaker 1: Lohan looked the best she'd ever looked despite a well

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Speaker 1: publicized addiction, I believe them I never saw people celebrated

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Speaker 4: Having walked in Australia's first ever curve runway in twenty

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Speaker 4: us at Mamma Mia. Today we're stripping it all back

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Speaker 4: and talking about her journey with self love, skin and

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Speaker 4: body acceptance, plus a bunch of insider tricks, tips and

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Speaker 4: products for curvy bodies, including the one product that's actually

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Speaker 4: going to help with underboob sweat. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: You are such beautiful skill.

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Speaker 3: But how.

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Speaker 4: Jess, thank you so much for joining us today. I

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Speaker 4: cannot wait to chat to you about your skincare routine. Look,

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Speaker 4: you've made a name for yourself as an advocate for

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Speaker 1: A lot of the time, my skin and body journey

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Speaker 1: was about eradicating something, whether that was cellular or my

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Speaker 3: I guess I think that's so true.

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Speaker 4: I think the beauty industry in particular has come such

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I think I'm loving that we're seeing the

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Speaker 4: That's like the perfect into this next bit. I want

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Speaker 4: to hear about the products that you use. Tell me

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Speaker 3: I mean, what is your self curty, give us the

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Speaker 1: One of my hero products which I've told a lot

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Speaker 1: the Megababe Thigh Rescue chafe Stick. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: It just keeps your thighs really nice and nourished. I've

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Speaker 4: I love how many chafe sticks are on the market

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Megababe actually have another product which I love.

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Speaker 4: that's like a powder formula, like.

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Speaker 1: A powder puff sort of thing, and it just sprays

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Speaker 4: Okay, that sounds so cool. I think I need to

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Speaker 4: get that. It sounds like a volumeizing myth, but like

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Speaker 2: but yeah, I know what you mean, tell me more. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So on the topic of sweating, I often get breakouts

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Speaker 1: love the Dermalogica Clear Start Spray. I've just started using that.

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Speaker 4: I have just started using this, and you are so right.

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Speaker 4: It is a game changer because you can just flip

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Speaker 4: think it's got salicylic acid, so it helps to exfoliate

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Speaker 1: So I love is Love Paradise. I know a lot

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Speaker 1: for their ethos and their marketing. Jewels is such a

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Speaker 4: So I love that those formulas are insanely gorgeous, ultra thick,

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Speaker 1: It's from Bioderma. Their at ADRM range, which I believe

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Speaker 1: Louis razor. Now, if you haven't seen this, you need

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Speaker 4: different from a normal raisers? You mentioned that it's weighted.

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Speaker 4: Do they have just disposable razorheads that you just buy

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Speaker 1: So it comes with a disposable head, and I believe

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Speaker 1: you can buy the replacement packs online. But it is

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Speaker 4: Tell me, do you use any kind of body moisturizers

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Speaker 1: It smells incredible, and I find that if I put

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Speaker 4: You end up smelling like a little treat after that.

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Speaker 2: I honestly feel like a new woman.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing better. Honestly, I could be super anxious, sort

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Speaker 3: Never never.

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Speaker 4: I want to know the skincare technique or ingredient that

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Speaker 4: So much stuff in the beauty world that is really

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Speaker 4: Half of this stuff is BSL for.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for coming on the show today.

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Speaker 4: It was so amazing having you. Where can everyone find

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Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram, Jess Raking. I'm normally just posting about

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift and my cat, So if you're into those things,

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Speaker 1: come along.

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Speaker 3: That is all of our audience. That's all for today's show.

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Speaker 4: The producer of You Beauty is Cassie Merritt, with audio

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Speaker 4: editing by Lou Hill. Tune in tomorrow for Beauty Besties,

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Speaker 4: where Lucy and Key answer all your questions and if

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Speaker 4: five star review on Apple Podcast and I'll see you

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Speaker 4: next Tuesday for another interview talking all things skincare.

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Speaker 3: Bye,