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From pop culture to beauty to powerful interviews, 11 00:00:38,726 --> 00:00:41,126 Speaker 1: there's something for everyone. Check out the link in the 12 00:00:41,126 --> 00:00:49,685 Speaker 1: show notes. Hi, I'm Cassania Lukicic and this is Diary 13 00:00:49,806 --> 00:00:53,326 Speaker 1: of a Birth. We've all heard the story of a 14 00:00:53,366 --> 00:00:59,045 Speaker 1: whoopsie baby, those happy little accidents that turn all of 15 00:00:59,086 --> 00:01:03,646 Speaker 1: our plans upside down. But what happens when you find 16 00:01:03,645 --> 00:01:07,886 Speaker 1: out you're pregnant after being diagnos with pre cancerous cells. 17 00:01:08,286 --> 00:01:10,766 Speaker 2: And I booked in for his directomy, so. 18 00:01:10,926 --> 00:01:14,006 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, we've got two beautiful, happy, healthy children. 19 00:01:14,326 --> 00:01:16,366 Speaker 3: That's it. I think we're done. And we agreed we 20 00:01:16,606 --> 00:01:18,886 Speaker 3: were done with two, and that was the future was 21 00:01:18,886 --> 00:01:20,566 Speaker 3: looking bright. So I booked in a hysterectomy. 22 00:01:21,806 --> 00:01:25,086 Speaker 1: Today's mum faced a decision on whether to continue her 23 00:01:25,166 --> 00:01:29,086 Speaker 1: pregnancy or terminate, but after seeing her baby was healthy 24 00:01:29,166 --> 00:01:32,086 Speaker 1: and growing well, she felt like it was a sign. 25 00:01:32,846 --> 00:01:34,446 Speaker 1: So let's make today's mum. 26 00:01:35,206 --> 00:01:37,006 Speaker 3: Hi. My name is Courtney and this is a diary 27 00:01:37,046 --> 00:01:38,326 Speaker 3: of my birth with Lockie. 28 00:01:40,846 --> 00:01:44,286 Speaker 1: So, Courtney, I feel like there's quite a lot going 29 00:01:44,366 --> 00:01:48,926 Speaker 1: on in your story. You've got three kids now, Lucky 30 00:01:49,086 --> 00:01:53,046 Speaker 1: being your third. We're going to focus on his birth today, 31 00:01:53,286 --> 00:01:56,246 Speaker 1: but can you just tell me a little bit about 32 00:01:56,606 --> 00:02:00,686 Speaker 1: what your life looked like before Lucky's surprised you? 33 00:02:01,406 --> 00:02:06,006 Speaker 3: Sure? Look, you know terrible favorite hashtags west like that was. 34 00:02:06,366 --> 00:02:08,966 Speaker 3: I had a great life, and you know, the end 35 00:02:09,006 --> 00:02:11,806 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four was going to 36 00:02:11,805 --> 00:02:14,245 Speaker 3: be my year. I had two kids. I had one 37 00:02:14,245 --> 00:02:17,085 Speaker 3: who was four, who was almost two. I was thirty eight. 38 00:02:17,286 --> 00:02:19,606 Speaker 3: I have an amazing husband, Michael, who's a paramedic. We 39 00:02:19,645 --> 00:02:22,206 Speaker 3: live on the Gold Coast. You know, I work remotely 40 00:02:22,286 --> 00:02:25,126 Speaker 3: on the Gold Coast. Life is great, and so for me, 41 00:02:25,925 --> 00:02:28,246 Speaker 3: I was now getting to focus two kids, you know, 42 00:02:28,405 --> 00:02:30,645 Speaker 3: sort of under four, and I was getting to focus 43 00:02:30,645 --> 00:02:32,486 Speaker 3: on me. And I was like Okay, it's my year 44 00:02:32,726 --> 00:02:34,526 Speaker 3: for twenty twenty four. It's a year to get me 45 00:02:34,685 --> 00:02:38,166 Speaker 3: back my health back. Six weeks after I had given 46 00:02:38,206 --> 00:02:41,125 Speaker 3: birth to Jack, I had had my normal six week 47 00:02:41,166 --> 00:02:44,326 Speaker 3: postpartum check and the GPS said, looks, let's do a 48 00:02:44,365 --> 00:02:47,085 Speaker 3: patsmere because I'd actually conceived Jack when we were living 49 00:02:47,125 --> 00:02:49,166 Speaker 3: over in England, and so I hadn't had a Patsmer 50 00:02:49,166 --> 00:02:51,486 Speaker 3: in Australia for a while, despite having won in England 51 00:02:51,685 --> 00:02:56,686 Speaker 3: the previous year. And unfortunately that threw up the complication 52 00:02:56,805 --> 00:03:01,846 Speaker 3: of AIS or adino castnomo in situ, and so that 53 00:03:01,925 --> 00:03:04,126 Speaker 3: was removed with the cone biopsy. And that's all fine, 54 00:03:04,446 --> 00:03:07,486 Speaker 3: but the surge and sort of the gynecologists and everyone 55 00:03:07,606 --> 00:03:10,206 Speaker 3: sort of post and as well has always advised, look, 56 00:03:10,486 --> 00:03:13,365 Speaker 3: you're better off once you complete your family if you're 57 00:03:13,405 --> 00:03:15,245 Speaker 3: planning to have more children, because he was my first 58 00:03:16,046 --> 00:03:19,165 Speaker 3: to have a completion hysterectomy, just to make sure, because 59 00:03:19,166 --> 00:03:22,366 Speaker 3: it's a higher chance of it developing into cervical cancer, etcetera. 60 00:03:22,486 --> 00:03:24,406 Speaker 1: So I just want to pause you there just for 61 00:03:24,486 --> 00:03:26,886 Speaker 1: one second. Can you tell us a little bit more 62 00:03:26,925 --> 00:03:29,805 Speaker 1: about what AIS is? What does that mean? 63 00:03:30,446 --> 00:03:33,926 Speaker 3: Sure? So I guess there's a few ways to describe it, 64 00:03:34,006 --> 00:03:37,686 Speaker 3: but it's essentially pre cancer cells. In some situations it's 65 00:03:37,686 --> 00:03:41,846 Speaker 3: sometimes described as like a stage zero cancer. It essentially 66 00:03:41,926 --> 00:03:45,646 Speaker 3: is like abnormal cells of the cervix, and there's a 67 00:03:45,766 --> 00:03:49,326 Speaker 3: much greater chance of those cells turning into cancer cells 68 00:03:49,406 --> 00:03:53,006 Speaker 3: later on, or turning into a malignancy. And so when 69 00:03:53,046 --> 00:03:56,806 Speaker 3: you've got that sort of cell or ais all different 70 00:03:56,846 --> 00:04:01,046 Speaker 3: types of pre cancer cells, normally it's a better indication 71 00:04:01,086 --> 00:04:03,206 Speaker 3: and there's a higher risk of later on of you 72 00:04:03,326 --> 00:04:06,526 Speaker 3: actually being diagnosed with like a stage one or later. 73 00:04:07,206 --> 00:04:10,686 Speaker 3: Particularly with the CERFX. It's an easy one to monitor 74 00:04:10,726 --> 00:04:13,366 Speaker 3: sort of the opening of the cervix with the patsmere, 75 00:04:13,446 --> 00:04:16,286 Speaker 3: and that's certainly gotten better, but there is always a 76 00:04:16,406 --> 00:04:19,246 Speaker 3: risk that it can actually go higher up and there's 77 00:04:19,246 --> 00:04:22,766 Speaker 3: no way of determining that it is actually higher up. 78 00:04:22,846 --> 00:04:27,086 Speaker 3: And because of that, they normally at this point sort 79 00:04:27,126 --> 00:04:29,366 Speaker 3: of say, look, if you're happy to have a completion 80 00:04:29,406 --> 00:04:33,286 Speaker 3: hysterectomy and sort of take everything out, then you're minimizing 81 00:04:33,325 --> 00:04:34,086 Speaker 3: your risk later on. 82 00:04:34,406 --> 00:04:38,526 Speaker 1: Okay, so you found that out after your first child 83 00:04:38,606 --> 00:04:39,566 Speaker 1: or a second. 84 00:04:39,765 --> 00:04:43,126 Speaker 3: First Yeah, so about I think six weeks I found 85 00:04:43,126 --> 00:04:45,445 Speaker 3: out that I had it, and then probably before he 86 00:04:45,565 --> 00:04:48,126 Speaker 3: was three months old, I had the cone biopsy, which 87 00:04:48,166 --> 00:04:51,686 Speaker 3: sort of removes the iis And so that's taking like 88 00:04:51,726 --> 00:04:54,885 Speaker 3: a chunk, a two centimeter chunk off the cervix to 89 00:04:54,966 --> 00:04:57,246 Speaker 3: kind of make sure it's all removed and excised completely. 90 00:04:57,646 --> 00:05:01,486 Speaker 3: And then that obviously does mean that you've got a 91 00:05:01,486 --> 00:05:04,085 Speaker 3: shorter cervix, and you've got risk of you know, shorter 92 00:05:04,166 --> 00:05:06,926 Speaker 3: cervix and you know, incoporate and at cervix complications with 93 00:05:07,206 --> 00:05:10,166 Speaker 3: latter pregnancies. But the point is that they try to 94 00:05:10,166 --> 00:05:12,366 Speaker 3: maintain as much of it as possible because at that stage, 95 00:05:12,445 --> 00:05:14,606 Speaker 3: I still wanted to have more kids. I wanted to 96 00:05:14,646 --> 00:05:17,765 Speaker 3: have a second. Yeah, but was advised even by my 97 00:05:18,206 --> 00:05:21,325 Speaker 3: ob when I was pregnant with Margo, even at the 98 00:05:21,325 --> 00:05:23,325 Speaker 3: first check I went in there, you know, seven a 99 00:05:23,325 --> 00:05:26,286 Speaker 3: week check, and you know, she started the conversation with 100 00:05:26,325 --> 00:05:28,045 Speaker 3: like a half an hour chat about how I should 101 00:05:28,046 --> 00:05:31,325 Speaker 3: have a hysterectomy after I'd finished. So so I'm like, 102 00:05:31,325 --> 00:05:34,325 Speaker 3: we focus on the baby, you know, this one right now. 103 00:05:34,486 --> 00:05:37,526 Speaker 3: So I'd always it was always on my cards too, 104 00:05:37,606 --> 00:05:40,606 Speaker 3: That's what I needed to consider once we decided. 105 00:05:40,966 --> 00:05:45,766 Speaker 1: Yeah, so after you had your second, was that the conversation. 106 00:05:45,885 --> 00:05:47,966 Speaker 1: You were like, Okay, well we're done having kids. Now 107 00:05:48,126 --> 00:05:50,926 Speaker 1: we're going to start thinking about doing the hysterectomy. 108 00:05:51,406 --> 00:05:53,726 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think I was never we kind of 109 00:05:53,726 --> 00:05:55,686 Speaker 3: got to the EDG of twenty twenty three, and I 110 00:05:55,726 --> 00:05:58,525 Speaker 3: didn't want to sort of in you know, hormonal state, 111 00:05:58,726 --> 00:06:00,686 Speaker 3: really make that decision. Are we done around We've done? 112 00:06:00,726 --> 00:06:02,286 Speaker 3: So I waited till I felt like we were in 113 00:06:02,325 --> 00:06:05,806 Speaker 3: a really good position. You know, Margo was almost two, 114 00:06:05,926 --> 00:06:09,726 Speaker 3: and I thought, okay, let's now have that conversation decide 115 00:06:09,966 --> 00:06:12,286 Speaker 3: what do we think we're going to do. And I'm 116 00:06:12,646 --> 00:06:16,006 Speaker 3: thirty eight at this stage, like I'm not young. Pregnancy 117 00:06:16,366 --> 00:06:19,166 Speaker 3: isn't my ideal state of being. So, you know, we 118 00:06:19,206 --> 00:06:23,246 Speaker 3: had the conversation and Michael's a paramedic and he works 119 00:06:24,086 --> 00:06:26,005 Speaker 3: sort of four and a half days on, four and 120 00:06:26,005 --> 00:06:28,566 Speaker 3: a half days off. And when he's working, although he's 121 00:06:28,565 --> 00:06:31,445 Speaker 3: still here, he's not five though. He's up before the 122 00:06:31,486 --> 00:06:33,806 Speaker 3: kids get up in the morning, he's away and he's 123 00:06:33,846 --> 00:06:35,405 Speaker 3: back once they're in bed at night. So I'm a 124 00:06:35,445 --> 00:06:37,566 Speaker 3: solo mum for you know, the better part of five 125 00:06:37,646 --> 00:06:41,126 Speaker 3: days a week and they work full time. So I 126 00:06:41,246 --> 00:06:43,765 Speaker 3: was really like, I'm fearful of whether or not I 127 00:06:43,806 --> 00:06:47,965 Speaker 3: can do three children, given that, you know, I'll be 128 00:06:47,966 --> 00:06:50,486 Speaker 3: looking after three kids, you know, five days out of 129 00:06:50,486 --> 00:06:52,686 Speaker 3: ten on my own. And so I thought, you know, 130 00:06:52,726 --> 00:06:56,085 Speaker 3: we've got two beautiful, happy, healthy children. That's it. I 131 00:06:56,086 --> 00:06:58,806 Speaker 3: think we're done. And we agreed we were done with two, 132 00:06:58,846 --> 00:07:00,846 Speaker 3: and that was the future was looking bright. So I 133 00:07:00,885 --> 00:07:01,926 Speaker 3: booked in a hysterectomy. 134 00:07:02,486 --> 00:07:05,126 Speaker 2: And then something happened. 135 00:07:05,526 --> 00:07:10,006 Speaker 3: Then and then life intervened and said, haha, silly you 136 00:07:10,166 --> 00:07:11,366 Speaker 3: making plans. 137 00:07:11,046 --> 00:07:12,486 Speaker 2: And you found out you were pregnant. 138 00:07:12,726 --> 00:07:15,246 Speaker 3: I did, which was historic to me, was book for 139 00:07:15,326 --> 00:07:19,206 Speaker 3: March and in February. Early February, I was late, like 140 00:07:19,286 --> 00:07:23,046 Speaker 3: five days late, and I thought, nah, like, I thought, 141 00:07:23,086 --> 00:07:25,926 Speaker 3: there's no chance. There's no chance are pregnant. We had 142 00:07:25,926 --> 00:07:28,726 Speaker 3: been using protection. I thought, there's no chance, but just 143 00:07:28,766 --> 00:07:32,606 Speaker 3: in case, I'm gonna do a pregnancy test. And honestly, 144 00:07:32,686 --> 00:07:34,846 Speaker 3: the line came up ten seconds before the control line 145 00:07:34,886 --> 00:07:38,126 Speaker 3: came up, and I just thought, oh my god. I 146 00:07:38,206 --> 00:07:40,726 Speaker 3: was in absolute shock. I thought, how on earth has 147 00:07:40,726 --> 00:07:43,766 Speaker 3: this happened. I only learned when I was fifteen weeks 148 00:07:43,806 --> 00:07:49,326 Speaker 3: pregnant that my two year old liked to chew on 149 00:07:49,406 --> 00:07:52,526 Speaker 3: the condoms in daddy's straw because she thought they were chocolates. 150 00:07:53,086 --> 00:07:56,046 Speaker 2: So yeah, oh my god. 151 00:07:56,286 --> 00:08:03,366 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have Margot to thankful lot your daughter. Yep. Wow, yeah, yeah, 152 00:08:03,366 --> 00:08:06,606 Speaker 3: so that's a great story for their eighteen But yeah, so. 153 00:08:06,926 --> 00:08:10,726 Speaker 1: Your daughter basically pin pricked your condoms. 154 00:08:11,126 --> 00:08:12,606 Speaker 3: Yep, that's what happened. 155 00:08:13,286 --> 00:08:15,206 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, because. 156 00:08:14,966 --> 00:08:17,326 Speaker 3: Before only that, for the first fifteen weeks, I thought 157 00:08:17,566 --> 00:08:19,606 Speaker 3: we can't be the one percent, Like there's no way, 158 00:08:19,646 --> 00:08:22,046 Speaker 3: Like I know they're not. You know they say ninety 159 00:08:22,086 --> 00:08:24,126 Speaker 3: nine percent effective rate. It was like, there's no way, 160 00:08:24,486 --> 00:08:25,246 Speaker 3: there's no way. 161 00:08:25,686 --> 00:08:29,446 Speaker 1: Okay, So when you found out you were pregnant with Lucky, 162 00:08:30,286 --> 00:08:31,486 Speaker 1: what went through your mind? 163 00:08:32,046 --> 00:08:38,846 Speaker 3: Oh a lot. Honestly, I just thought, no, I can't 164 00:08:38,886 --> 00:08:41,086 Speaker 3: do this. Whilst even at that stage it was like, 165 00:08:41,126 --> 00:08:43,846 Speaker 3: oh my god, we'd already like we've decided I can't 166 00:08:43,846 --> 00:08:46,766 Speaker 3: do three kids. I certainly can't do three kids on 167 00:08:46,766 --> 00:08:49,126 Speaker 3: my own. Even at that point, I was like, I 168 00:08:49,126 --> 00:08:51,565 Speaker 3: can't be pregnant again. I can't go through this again. 169 00:08:51,646 --> 00:08:54,726 Speaker 3: I just I think I was. I had made my decision, 170 00:08:54,966 --> 00:08:57,445 Speaker 3: you know, I was like, hey, that's why I was 171 00:08:57,486 --> 00:08:59,726 Speaker 3: so looking forward to the hysterectomy. That's my path. This 172 00:08:59,846 --> 00:09:02,726 Speaker 3: year was about me. You know, I'm good, and so 173 00:09:02,806 --> 00:09:05,486 Speaker 3: I think for me it was really about it wasn't planned, 174 00:09:05,486 --> 00:09:09,286 Speaker 3: and I had such a loss of control and normally 175 00:09:09,366 --> 00:09:12,966 Speaker 3: I'm I'm really super decisive. So you know, I think 176 00:09:13,366 --> 00:09:16,006 Speaker 3: life is made up of moments and they give you meaning, 177 00:09:16,086 --> 00:09:18,606 Speaker 3: and momentum moves you between those moments, and I think 178 00:09:18,646 --> 00:09:21,606 Speaker 3: being decisive helps give you that momentum. So even if 179 00:09:21,646 --> 00:09:23,686 Speaker 3: it turns out to be the wrong decision, I don't 180 00:09:23,726 --> 00:09:25,445 Speaker 3: regret it because at least I've made a decision and 181 00:09:25,486 --> 00:09:28,085 Speaker 3: I've moved on and I don't have any paralysis of procrastination. 182 00:09:29,326 --> 00:09:32,526 Speaker 3: And so obviously, like my first thought was termination. Honestly, 183 00:09:32,646 --> 00:09:36,205 Speaker 3: I thought I can't do this. This is not what 184 00:09:36,246 --> 00:09:39,486 Speaker 3: we were what we were planning. But I found I 185 00:09:39,606 --> 00:09:42,566 Speaker 3: just I couldn't make that decision. I had such a 186 00:09:42,686 --> 00:09:46,606 Speaker 3: fear of well what does that mean for me in 187 00:09:46,686 --> 00:09:49,446 Speaker 3: terms of well I have lots of relief post that 188 00:09:49,526 --> 00:09:51,606 Speaker 3: decision of the termination and be like, Okay, now I 189 00:09:51,646 --> 00:09:53,846 Speaker 3: can go back to what was planned, or would I 190 00:09:53,886 --> 00:09:56,526 Speaker 3: feel like, oh my god, I regret this, and you know, 191 00:09:56,526 --> 00:09:59,326 Speaker 3: I won't be able to live with making that decision 192 00:09:59,446 --> 00:10:03,566 Speaker 3: and I was just paralyzed by the thought of what 193 00:10:03,686 --> 00:10:07,846 Speaker 3: to do next. And I'm super lucky because obviously, like 194 00:10:07,926 --> 00:10:11,285 Speaker 3: I realize, we have enormous fertility privilege, Like not only 195 00:10:11,566 --> 00:10:14,486 Speaker 3: have we not had any troubles with our fertility journey, 196 00:10:14,886 --> 00:10:17,886 Speaker 3: and I have so many close friends who've had such 197 00:10:17,886 --> 00:10:20,806 Speaker 3: a struggle to parenthood and have had some of the 198 00:10:20,806 --> 00:10:26,366 Speaker 3: worst outcomes imaginable, and here I am not having any struggles. 199 00:10:26,566 --> 00:10:30,046 Speaker 3: But also I'm so lucky because I have I have 200 00:10:30,126 --> 00:10:32,646 Speaker 3: access to termination up to twenty two weeks in Queensland 201 00:10:32,686 --> 00:10:35,606 Speaker 3: and up to term for medical reasons. And you know, 202 00:10:35,686 --> 00:10:40,246 Speaker 3: I had really wonderful discussions with the medical team and 203 00:10:40,526 --> 00:10:43,846 Speaker 3: they were all incredibly supportive and very factual, so it's 204 00:10:43,886 --> 00:10:46,566 Speaker 3: not like anyone was pushing me one way or the 205 00:10:46,606 --> 00:10:51,325 Speaker 3: other or trying to color that choice. And Michael was fantastic, 206 00:10:51,405 --> 00:10:54,366 Speaker 3: and you know he was I think initially in the shock, 207 00:10:54,446 --> 00:10:56,086 Speaker 3: he was there with me in the oh my god, 208 00:10:56,285 --> 00:10:58,246 Speaker 3: we can't do this. This wasn't what was planned, and 209 00:10:58,285 --> 00:11:02,566 Speaker 3: then pretty quickly he moved towards whatever you feel like 210 00:11:02,606 --> 00:11:05,445 Speaker 3: you need to do. Then I'm one hundred percent by 211 00:11:06,686 --> 00:11:08,286 Speaker 3: you know, if this is something that you are putting 212 00:11:08,285 --> 00:11:10,406 Speaker 3: your hand, I'm going you can't do it, then absolutely, 213 00:11:10,486 --> 00:11:12,766 Speaker 3: that's that's the right thing to do. So I was 214 00:11:12,886 --> 00:11:15,966 Speaker 3: pretty depressed, to be honest, And I know that sounds awful. 215 00:11:16,206 --> 00:11:18,445 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I don't. I don't think it's awful. 216 00:11:18,526 --> 00:11:22,726 Speaker 1: I think it's it's very realistic and a decision that 217 00:11:22,886 --> 00:11:27,126 Speaker 1: a lot of women face when it's not planned, and 218 00:11:27,165 --> 00:11:29,966 Speaker 1: it is a really difficult decision and one hundred percent 219 00:11:30,566 --> 00:11:34,805 Speaker 1: yours and your family's decision to make. If your initial 220 00:11:35,606 --> 00:11:42,446 Speaker 1: feeling was termination, what ultimately made you decide to continue 221 00:11:42,446 --> 00:11:43,206 Speaker 1: with the pregnancy? 222 00:11:44,246 --> 00:11:48,646 Speaker 3: Honestly, I find it hard probably to say that there 223 00:11:48,726 --> 00:11:54,046 Speaker 3: was a decision to proactively continue. It was probably more 224 00:11:54,086 --> 00:11:58,606 Speaker 3: like an inability to make the decision to terminate. And 225 00:11:58,686 --> 00:12:01,846 Speaker 3: so I kind of felt like, you know, the weight 226 00:12:01,926 --> 00:12:04,126 Speaker 3: on me to make that call was too big. So 227 00:12:04,246 --> 00:12:06,406 Speaker 3: I was sort of looking for an excuse. So we 228 00:12:06,606 --> 00:12:11,926 Speaker 3: pursued every medical test available. We hadn't done it with 229 00:12:11,966 --> 00:12:13,646 Speaker 3: our previous two kids, and we did the you know, 230 00:12:13,686 --> 00:12:17,405 Speaker 3: reproductive carrier screening, and I did genetic testing on me, 231 00:12:17,686 --> 00:12:21,566 Speaker 3: and we did everything, and eventually, finally, I guess at 232 00:12:21,566 --> 00:12:24,206 Speaker 3: that seventeen week mark, they were like, look, we can't 233 00:12:24,246 --> 00:12:28,686 Speaker 3: find anything, You're fine. Bub's fine. And at that stage, 234 00:12:28,846 --> 00:12:31,805 Speaker 3: despite being really depressed all about it, I thought, Okay, 235 00:12:31,806 --> 00:12:34,366 Speaker 3: we've got to tell the kids, because Jack was for 236 00:12:34,446 --> 00:12:37,526 Speaker 3: about your third child, like I'm showing. So Jack was 237 00:12:37,606 --> 00:12:39,406 Speaker 3: kind of like, what if you got in your belly? 238 00:12:39,566 --> 00:12:44,006 Speaker 3: And the answer cheese wasn't cutting it anymore. So we 239 00:12:44,086 --> 00:12:46,406 Speaker 3: told the kids that now I was having a baby, 240 00:12:46,446 --> 00:12:50,606 Speaker 3: and honestly, they were so excited that it was really 241 00:12:50,686 --> 00:12:54,726 Speaker 3: really hard for me then not to get excited with 242 00:12:54,806 --> 00:12:58,646 Speaker 3: them and sort of start that journey of acceptance. And 243 00:12:58,686 --> 00:13:01,846 Speaker 3: so that was probably the turning point. But I know 244 00:13:02,045 --> 00:13:04,486 Speaker 3: still to be honest. Still, even right up until the birth, 245 00:13:04,526 --> 00:13:07,366 Speaker 3: there were still moments where I was like, oh, I 246 00:13:07,405 --> 00:13:11,285 Speaker 3: don't know, have we made the right call here? So yeah, 247 00:13:11,366 --> 00:13:11,806 Speaker 3: it's tough. 248 00:13:12,285 --> 00:13:14,126 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being so honest with us, 249 00:13:14,165 --> 00:13:17,846 Speaker 1: because I think it's actually really important for people to 250 00:13:17,966 --> 00:13:23,686 Speaker 1: hear this because while falling pregnant is absolutely a blessing, 251 00:13:23,886 --> 00:13:27,046 Speaker 1: and when you're in a committed relationship, you have kids, 252 00:13:27,086 --> 00:13:31,046 Speaker 1: like you're in a happy, healthy home, you can do it. 253 00:13:31,045 --> 00:13:34,886 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that it's the easy choice. And I 254 00:13:34,926 --> 00:13:39,686 Speaker 1: think that having that questioning about it is really normal 255 00:13:40,646 --> 00:13:42,366 Speaker 1: and I think people do need. 256 00:13:42,246 --> 00:13:44,006 Speaker 2: To hear that a little bit more. 257 00:13:44,926 --> 00:13:48,206 Speaker 1: So, did you get to a point where you were 258 00:13:48,285 --> 00:13:51,806 Speaker 1: kind of accepting a little bit more of this, Like 259 00:13:52,126 --> 00:13:55,646 Speaker 1: did you allow yourself to get excited about having another baby? 260 00:13:56,045 --> 00:13:59,366 Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't know if I ever got to the 261 00:13:59,405 --> 00:14:04,166 Speaker 3: point of excited. I definitely got to acceptance sort of. 262 00:14:04,165 --> 00:14:07,285 Speaker 3: Really from about seventeen weeks was always accepting of fat. 263 00:14:07,285 --> 00:14:10,806 Speaker 3: That was fine, But yeah, it wasn't really until he 264 00:14:10,926 --> 00:14:14,646 Speaker 3: was born that suddenly I just immediately I was like, 265 00:14:14,806 --> 00:14:17,326 Speaker 3: there was never any other decision apart from this, Like 266 00:14:17,405 --> 00:14:20,806 Speaker 3: this was one hundred percent the best thing that ever 267 00:14:20,846 --> 00:14:26,086 Speaker 3: happened to us coming up. I'm not even confident that 268 00:14:26,126 --> 00:14:28,846 Speaker 3: I pushed. I'm not even sure that it was actually 269 00:14:28,886 --> 00:14:31,406 Speaker 3: any type of effort on my behalf, but he shot 270 00:14:31,446 --> 00:14:32,845 Speaker 3: out of me like a rocket. 271 00:14:36,846 --> 00:14:42,166 Speaker 1: So, considering your medical history and the pre cancerous cells 272 00:14:42,246 --> 00:14:45,246 Speaker 1: and your plan to get a hysterectomy, did that make 273 00:14:45,286 --> 00:14:47,926 Speaker 1: your pregnancy look different a little? 274 00:14:48,246 --> 00:14:51,526 Speaker 3: There was also one small other complication. I had a 275 00:14:51,646 --> 00:14:54,846 Speaker 3: polyp that they'd found in my uterus that my surgeon, 276 00:14:55,486 --> 00:14:57,566 Speaker 3: in the month before I was due to the hysterectomy, 277 00:14:57,926 --> 00:15:00,246 Speaker 3: had decided that she may want to take it out 278 00:15:00,246 --> 00:15:03,486 Speaker 3: on its own pride of hysterectomy, just in case there 279 00:15:03,526 --> 00:15:07,126 Speaker 3: was risk of malignancy. And so I had an ultrasound 280 00:15:07,886 --> 00:15:10,606 Speaker 3: to see whether or not that had grown, which was 281 00:15:10,686 --> 00:15:12,846 Speaker 3: kind of the best way to determine if it was 282 00:15:12,886 --> 00:15:15,326 Speaker 3: something that was a bit sinister, and it had grown 283 00:15:15,926 --> 00:15:18,006 Speaker 3: interestingly enough. At that point, there was also a little 284 00:15:18,006 --> 00:15:18,926 Speaker 3: Lockie in there. 285 00:15:19,446 --> 00:15:21,406 Speaker 2: So we had a friend in there. 286 00:15:22,526 --> 00:15:25,926 Speaker 3: He had a buddy. Pretty soon then they couldn't see 287 00:15:25,966 --> 00:15:28,166 Speaker 3: the polyp penny war as Lockie got bigger and bigger, 288 00:15:28,206 --> 00:15:30,926 Speaker 3: and obviously, you know, unless I was going to make 289 00:15:30,926 --> 00:15:34,326 Speaker 3: a decision, they weren't doing anything about that. But because 290 00:15:34,566 --> 00:15:37,926 Speaker 3: of the previous as because of the previous cone biopsy, 291 00:15:38,206 --> 00:15:42,086 Speaker 3: which obviously can cause a shorter cervix or incompetent cervix, 292 00:15:42,926 --> 00:15:45,926 Speaker 3: there was very quickly a decision that I should be 293 00:15:46,006 --> 00:15:49,806 Speaker 3: looked after by Maternal Fetal Medicine so MFM, and so 294 00:15:50,006 --> 00:15:52,766 Speaker 3: right from the start I was with that team, and 295 00:15:53,846 --> 00:15:57,366 Speaker 3: you know, that was great, and they are very experienced 296 00:15:57,366 --> 00:16:01,526 Speaker 3: in everything, so that just it meant really regular checkups 297 00:16:01,526 --> 00:16:05,246 Speaker 3: and scans and checks. So sixteen weeks I did have 298 00:16:05,606 --> 00:16:08,126 Speaker 3: the short cervix and it's sort of shortened to about 299 00:16:08,326 --> 00:16:12,326 Speaker 3: one point five centimeters. So I started the progesterone pessories 300 00:16:12,726 --> 00:16:16,926 Speaker 3: and thankfully that managed to keep the cervix in check, 301 00:16:17,326 --> 00:16:20,526 Speaker 3: so I didn't need the stitch, which is the other 302 00:16:20,566 --> 00:16:22,806 Speaker 3: thing that they would tend to do if you've got 303 00:16:22,806 --> 00:16:25,046 Speaker 3: a short cervix to try and because obviously the risk 304 00:16:25,086 --> 00:16:26,486 Speaker 3: of the short cervix is preterm birth. 305 00:16:27,006 --> 00:16:27,246 Speaker 2: Yeah. 306 00:16:27,246 --> 00:16:32,205 Speaker 1: Because basically, when you're having a traditional healthy pregnancy, your 307 00:16:32,206 --> 00:16:36,326 Speaker 1: cervix is long, thick, and very closed. Yes, and then 308 00:16:36,406 --> 00:16:42,446 Speaker 1: as pregnancy progresses that starts to open, drop, shorten, and flat. 309 00:16:42,446 --> 00:16:44,606 Speaker 1: That's like what they talk about when you go into labor. 310 00:16:45,406 --> 00:16:49,046 Speaker 1: They say, your cervix is shortened, it's open, So it's 311 00:16:49,086 --> 00:16:52,406 Speaker 1: not just about it being dilated, it's also about it shortening. 312 00:16:53,006 --> 00:16:54,566 Speaker 2: So they want to avoid. 313 00:16:54,246 --> 00:16:56,366 Speaker 3: That absolutely because the end of the day, the baby 314 00:16:56,366 --> 00:16:57,526 Speaker 3: has to come out. Yeah. 315 00:16:57,566 --> 00:16:57,886 Speaker 2: Okay. 316 00:16:57,966 --> 00:17:00,286 Speaker 3: So apart from the pessaries, they're also you know, at 317 00:17:00,326 --> 00:17:02,926 Speaker 3: sixteen weeks, they're like, hey, you can't lift anything heavier 318 00:17:02,966 --> 00:17:03,966 Speaker 3: than three kilos. 319 00:17:04,326 --> 00:17:08,366 Speaker 2: Oh that's great with two d Yeah. 320 00:17:07,806 --> 00:17:09,886 Speaker 3: I can't do that and two kids, like on my 321 00:17:10,006 --> 00:17:13,205 Speaker 3: own five days a week, so my beautiful dad. He 322 00:17:13,246 --> 00:17:15,766 Speaker 3: lives in prison, so he would come down when Michael 323 00:17:15,886 --> 00:17:19,526 Speaker 3: was working and he would do the lifting and the 324 00:17:19,726 --> 00:17:21,926 Speaker 3: in and out of the bath and the daycare runs. So, 325 00:17:22,526 --> 00:17:24,286 Speaker 3: you know, he really stepped up for the plate. 326 00:17:24,606 --> 00:17:25,646 Speaker 2: Oh bless him. 327 00:17:26,086 --> 00:17:30,606 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I definitely was a bit pampered during this pregnancy, 328 00:17:31,126 --> 00:17:33,086 Speaker 3: and thankfully the rest of it was a pretty run 329 00:17:33,086 --> 00:17:36,046 Speaker 3: of the mill. Yeah, there was cervix held. It was short, 330 00:17:36,126 --> 00:17:38,286 Speaker 3: but it was still closed, it was still hard, it 331 00:17:38,326 --> 00:17:41,286 Speaker 3: was still good, and I didn't have any other concerns. 332 00:17:41,646 --> 00:17:46,326 Speaker 1: Yeah, so did you have any expectations? Did your medical 333 00:17:46,326 --> 00:17:49,726 Speaker 1: team have expectations about when you were to give birth 334 00:17:49,886 --> 00:17:51,686 Speaker 1: or how you were going to give birth? 335 00:17:52,326 --> 00:17:55,166 Speaker 3: Luckily, none of the conditions or issues that I had 336 00:17:55,286 --> 00:17:59,086 Speaker 3: sort of indicated a cesaian anyway. Previously, I'd had a 337 00:17:59,206 --> 00:18:02,286 Speaker 3: you know, spontaneous vaginal delivery with Jack, and I'd had 338 00:18:02,606 --> 00:18:06,566 Speaker 3: a vaginal induction with Margo. I prefer the spontaneous to 339 00:18:06,606 --> 00:18:10,606 Speaker 3: the induction, so I was kind of gunning for, Hey, 340 00:18:11,006 --> 00:18:13,326 Speaker 3: can we just see how we go and you know, 341 00:18:13,406 --> 00:18:16,806 Speaker 3: hopefully it all just happens pretty naturally, and they were 342 00:18:16,806 --> 00:18:19,446 Speaker 3: happy to support that. So once I'd got past the 343 00:18:20,206 --> 00:18:21,766 Speaker 3: you know, it was kind of every mark. It was 344 00:18:21,806 --> 00:18:23,486 Speaker 3: twenty eight, then it was thirty two, then it was 345 00:18:23,486 --> 00:18:25,686 Speaker 3: thirty five, then it was thirty seven, just to kind 346 00:18:25,726 --> 00:18:27,886 Speaker 3: of can we keep getting the cervix to that point? 347 00:18:28,286 --> 00:18:31,166 Speaker 2: Okay, so did you go into labor spontaneously. 348 00:18:31,166 --> 00:18:35,566 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I did, and then it lasted for a 349 00:18:35,726 --> 00:18:39,966 Speaker 3: very long time. It was my birthday. I was thirty 350 00:18:40,006 --> 00:18:44,286 Speaker 3: seven plus three, and it had been a really stressful 351 00:18:44,326 --> 00:18:48,126 Speaker 3: week because Michael had had literally the day before, Michael 352 00:18:48,166 --> 00:18:51,246 Speaker 3: had had a melanoma removed from his forehead. God thankfully, 353 00:18:51,286 --> 00:18:53,406 Speaker 3: he was on sickly so that was helpful, but he 354 00:18:53,566 --> 00:18:56,566 Speaker 3: was stitch He had like fifty five stitches on his face. 355 00:18:56,846 --> 00:19:00,326 Speaker 3: He was bruised and black and bloody and looked like Frankenstein. 356 00:19:00,846 --> 00:19:03,726 Speaker 3: And it was my birthday and I was working because 357 00:19:03,726 --> 00:19:06,046 Speaker 3: I was planning to work up until thirty eight weeks. 358 00:19:06,406 --> 00:19:09,006 Speaker 3: And I started to feel tightenings in the morning while 359 00:19:09,046 --> 00:19:11,526 Speaker 3: I was on like virtual meetings, and they sort of 360 00:19:11,606 --> 00:19:14,646 Speaker 3: kept coming, and they kept getting a little bit spicier 361 00:19:15,126 --> 00:19:17,326 Speaker 3: to the point where I was not really able to 362 00:19:17,446 --> 00:19:19,726 Speaker 3: talk through them, and I kept joking with people I 363 00:19:19,766 --> 00:19:21,686 Speaker 3: was having meeting with, being like, oh, I'm a labor 364 00:19:23,206 --> 00:19:24,606 Speaker 3: and then by the end of the day that Joe 365 00:19:24,646 --> 00:19:29,126 Speaker 3: got less funny because by around five pm, I was like, ooh, 366 00:19:29,326 --> 00:19:32,526 Speaker 3: these feel like the tightenings I had with Jack, with 367 00:19:32,606 --> 00:19:35,526 Speaker 3: my first and with him, I turned up to hospital 368 00:19:35,566 --> 00:19:39,206 Speaker 3: because I had reduced fegal movements and I had been 369 00:19:39,206 --> 00:19:41,606 Speaker 3: having the tightenings, but I didn't think there were contractions, 370 00:19:41,606 --> 00:19:43,606 Speaker 3: that they're just tight. There wasn't a lot of pain, 371 00:19:44,086 --> 00:19:46,046 Speaker 3: and you know, I turned up to hospital like can 372 00:19:46,086 --> 00:19:47,846 Speaker 3: you check him out? And they're like yeah, no worries, 373 00:19:47,886 --> 00:19:50,606 Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, you're four centimeters dilated. So I 374 00:19:50,646 --> 00:19:52,406 Speaker 3: went straight to the birth suite and he was born 375 00:19:52,486 --> 00:19:54,806 Speaker 3: like four hours later. So I was like, oh, this 376 00:19:54,846 --> 00:19:57,366 Speaker 3: now feels exactly like what it did like when I 377 00:19:57,406 --> 00:19:59,686 Speaker 3: just arrived to hospital. So I took myself to the 378 00:19:59,726 --> 00:20:01,406 Speaker 3: hospital because I was like, look, I'm gonna get checked out. 379 00:20:01,446 --> 00:20:03,806 Speaker 3: And they did an internal exam and they're like, oh, yeah, 380 00:20:03,806 --> 00:20:07,646 Speaker 3: you're three centimeters dilated. So I'm like, oh, my gosh, okay, amazing, 381 00:20:08,206 --> 00:20:09,886 Speaker 3: and they said, you know, they knew it was my 382 00:20:09,926 --> 00:20:12,086 Speaker 3: birthday and so they're like, okay, well do you want 383 00:20:12,086 --> 00:20:14,486 Speaker 3: to go home, have some cake? Come back when it 384 00:20:14,526 --> 00:20:17,886 Speaker 3: gets a bit further along, so yeah, sure. So that 385 00:20:17,966 --> 00:20:20,686 Speaker 3: so I did it, came home, you know, had the shower, 386 00:20:20,846 --> 00:20:24,406 Speaker 3: had some cake, and then at about ten o'clock I 387 00:20:24,526 --> 00:20:26,526 Speaker 3: was like, okay, this is I think this is going 388 00:20:26,606 --> 00:20:28,406 Speaker 3: to happen now, Like I feel like this is getting 389 00:20:28,726 --> 00:20:32,526 Speaker 3: more intense. They were lasting for longer, and I said 390 00:20:32,526 --> 00:20:34,206 Speaker 3: to Michael's like, let's go, and he's like, are you sure. 391 00:20:34,326 --> 00:20:36,526 Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, it's like he's sure, though, Like I 392 00:20:36,526 --> 00:20:38,686 Speaker 3: think he was super reluctant because he's got a massive 393 00:20:38,686 --> 00:20:40,886 Speaker 3: scar on his head and he's like, do I have 394 00:20:40,926 --> 00:20:41,966 Speaker 3: to turn up and see people? 395 00:20:42,126 --> 00:20:45,286 Speaker 1: It's not about you, you ye some labor, I know, 396 00:20:45,526 --> 00:20:47,166 Speaker 1: forget about your scar, a. 397 00:20:47,126 --> 00:20:50,126 Speaker 3: Little bit more empathy. Yeah. So we turned up and 398 00:20:50,286 --> 00:20:53,006 Speaker 3: the midwife checks again and she's like, yeah, look, I 399 00:20:53,006 --> 00:20:55,646 Speaker 3: think you're a bit closer than four centimeters now up 400 00:20:55,686 --> 00:20:58,126 Speaker 3: to you. You can stay and we can just put 401 00:20:58,126 --> 00:20:59,886 Speaker 3: you in a side room and monitor you for the 402 00:20:59,926 --> 00:21:01,646 Speaker 3: next couple of hours, or you can go home and 403 00:21:01,646 --> 00:21:04,726 Speaker 3: get some sleep. And knowing my my births have both 404 00:21:04,766 --> 00:21:07,446 Speaker 3: been very quick births in a scheme of things, so 405 00:21:07,646 --> 00:21:10,446 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I'm not going home again, Like 406 00:21:10,486 --> 00:21:12,246 Speaker 3: this isn't this is not a good dear. I was like, 407 00:21:12,286 --> 00:21:14,006 Speaker 3: I'll take your side room. But I sent Michael home. 408 00:21:14,166 --> 00:21:15,806 Speaker 3: You know, at least one of us will be arrested. 409 00:21:16,046 --> 00:21:18,846 Speaker 3: So he left and they sort of checked me again 410 00:21:18,886 --> 00:21:21,486 Speaker 3: about four am in the morning, and I was still 411 00:21:21,526 --> 00:21:24,366 Speaker 3: four centimeters and so the midwife was like, what do 412 00:21:24,406 --> 00:21:26,846 Speaker 3: you want to do, hun, and I was like, oh, man, 413 00:21:26,886 --> 00:21:28,686 Speaker 3: I haven't slept. I was like, I'm gonna go home. 414 00:21:28,766 --> 00:21:32,166 Speaker 3: She said, cool. Probably from about that ten PM, the 415 00:21:32,206 --> 00:21:35,006 Speaker 3: pay level had stayed like, the intensity had stayed the 416 00:21:35,046 --> 00:21:39,486 Speaker 3: same level, so I hadn't felt it continually escalating. I 417 00:21:39,526 --> 00:21:40,446 Speaker 3: went home and went to bed. 418 00:21:40,646 --> 00:21:41,806 Speaker 2: You were able to sleep? 419 00:21:42,286 --> 00:21:44,926 Speaker 3: I was, yeah, I was able to sleep, which probably 420 00:21:44,926 --> 00:21:48,766 Speaker 3: should have been the first education. And then I woke 421 00:21:48,886 --> 00:21:49,486 Speaker 3: up and they'd. 422 00:21:49,326 --> 00:21:52,566 Speaker 2: Gone, oh so it stopped, Yeah. 423 00:21:52,326 --> 00:21:57,406 Speaker 3: It stopped. It just it stopped. And I thought, oh, okay, fine, 424 00:21:57,526 --> 00:21:59,726 Speaker 3: and I think I was due that day. Anyway. I 425 00:22:00,246 --> 00:22:03,166 Speaker 3: had an appointment within their family that day with my midwife, 426 00:22:03,166 --> 00:22:04,766 Speaker 3: and so she did another check and she was like, yeah, 427 00:22:04,766 --> 00:22:07,446 Speaker 3: well you forced and I'm like, okay, but it's stopped now. 428 00:22:07,526 --> 00:22:10,526 Speaker 3: She's like okay, well, yeah, i'd put money on it, 429 00:22:10,606 --> 00:22:14,246 Speaker 3: like starting up again, you know, this evening or tomorrow morning. 430 00:22:14,486 --> 00:22:17,966 Speaker 3: You know you're going to be having it soon. It's okay, fine, yep. 431 00:22:18,926 --> 00:22:22,526 Speaker 3: They did keep coming back regularly to the point where 432 00:22:23,006 --> 00:22:25,926 Speaker 3: I really couldn't walk around, and sometimes I was having 433 00:22:25,966 --> 00:22:28,046 Speaker 3: it like, you know, three or four hours at a 434 00:22:28,086 --> 00:22:32,205 Speaker 3: time during the day, but it never progressed, and so 435 00:22:32,246 --> 00:22:34,686 Speaker 3: it went on like that for almost three weeks. 436 00:22:35,286 --> 00:22:39,886 Speaker 1: Okay, Courtney, I'm sorry. Why didn't you just get the 437 00:22:39,926 --> 00:22:41,606 Speaker 1: potocin in an epidural. 438 00:22:41,806 --> 00:22:42,766 Speaker 2: I don't understand. 439 00:22:43,566 --> 00:22:46,606 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think because I think because the 440 00:22:46,686 --> 00:22:51,166 Speaker 3: whole state of my pregnancy, at least from like the 441 00:22:51,206 --> 00:22:54,686 Speaker 3: progesterone and short cervix had been the mantra was trying 442 00:22:54,806 --> 00:22:56,606 Speaker 3: keep him in there for as long as possible, like 443 00:22:56,766 --> 00:22:58,806 Speaker 3: make it to the latest date you can. So that 444 00:22:58,886 --> 00:23:00,286 Speaker 3: was the kind of that was the goal that I 445 00:23:00,286 --> 00:23:03,046 Speaker 3: had focused on. I was like, okay, i'll think about that. 446 00:23:03,126 --> 00:23:04,726 Speaker 3: I'll just try and keep him in for as long 447 00:23:04,766 --> 00:23:07,326 Speaker 3: as possible. And I think it was really hard to 448 00:23:07,366 --> 00:23:08,246 Speaker 3: switch that off. 449 00:23:08,566 --> 00:23:09,406 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. 450 00:23:09,486 --> 00:23:12,326 Speaker 3: Maybe I was really just wedded to that. I really 451 00:23:12,406 --> 00:23:14,646 Speaker 3: just want it to happen naturally. I don't want to 452 00:23:14,686 --> 00:23:16,646 Speaker 3: go for the induction because I found that a lot 453 00:23:16,686 --> 00:23:19,606 Speaker 3: more painful than the you know, spontaneous one. 454 00:23:19,886 --> 00:23:21,526 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sorry, I don't want that to sound 455 00:23:21,606 --> 00:23:27,205 Speaker 1: judgmental at all, Like I'm so people should have their 456 00:23:27,286 --> 00:23:29,606 Speaker 1: kids exactly how they want to, but I know that 457 00:23:30,246 --> 00:23:34,126 Speaker 1: I've had that before, that really long labor and by 458 00:23:34,166 --> 00:23:36,366 Speaker 1: the end of it, I was like, just get this 459 00:23:36,486 --> 00:23:39,686 Speaker 1: child out of me. So it's more me taking my 460 00:23:39,766 --> 00:23:42,766 Speaker 1: hat off to you for dealing with that for three weeks. 461 00:23:43,086 --> 00:23:46,166 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't deserve any medals. I genuinely also think too, 462 00:23:46,206 --> 00:23:48,646 Speaker 3: I think because everyone every time, like and I saw 463 00:23:48,766 --> 00:23:52,046 Speaker 3: heaps of people during that, like I kept having checkups 464 00:23:52,046 --> 00:23:54,326 Speaker 3: and stretch and sweeps and everything else like that, and 465 00:23:54,366 --> 00:23:56,926 Speaker 3: everyone just kept saying any day now, like you're not 466 00:23:57,046 --> 00:24:01,006 Speaker 3: making due date. And eventually, after about you know, like 467 00:24:01,086 --> 00:24:03,846 Speaker 3: ten days of it, I was too afraid to push 468 00:24:03,846 --> 00:24:05,286 Speaker 3: hard on the toilet because I thought I was like 469 00:24:05,286 --> 00:24:08,246 Speaker 3: an push him out and it just it didn't happen. 470 00:24:08,326 --> 00:24:10,806 Speaker 3: So eventually I was like, hey, okay, let's let's book 471 00:24:10,846 --> 00:24:14,086 Speaker 3: this induction because like clearly it's you know, and then 472 00:24:14,086 --> 00:24:17,205 Speaker 3: they're like, oh, yeah, we haven't got me fl So 473 00:24:18,366 --> 00:24:22,726 Speaker 3: the end, the induction got booked for the day after 474 00:24:22,806 --> 00:24:25,886 Speaker 3: I was due so forty plus one, and they were like, 475 00:24:25,926 --> 00:24:28,326 Speaker 3: oh and still this is after being in a state 476 00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:30,846 Speaker 3: for like, you know, ten days, twelve days. They're like, oh, 477 00:24:30,846 --> 00:24:33,326 Speaker 3: doubt you'll make it. There's no way you'll make it 478 00:24:33,366 --> 00:24:36,326 Speaker 3: to the induction day. You'll definitely have the baby before them. 479 00:24:36,646 --> 00:24:38,446 Speaker 2: And I think the key thing here is your water 480 00:24:38,566 --> 00:24:41,606 Speaker 2: hadn't broken. No, it happened, which is why they were 481 00:24:41,726 --> 00:24:44,166 Speaker 2: allowing you to go for that sort of three. 482 00:24:44,006 --> 00:24:47,166 Speaker 1: Weeks because absolutely if your water had broken, they would 483 00:24:47,206 --> 00:24:50,206 Speaker 1: have insisted on you delivering the baby. But you were 484 00:24:50,246 --> 00:24:54,606 Speaker 1: just having contractions and you had that prodromial labor for 485 00:24:54,926 --> 00:24:56,086 Speaker 1: three weeks. 486 00:24:56,286 --> 00:24:58,686 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I was basically walking around like with adult 487 00:24:58,726 --> 00:25:01,486 Speaker 3: diapers on because I was really conscious. I was like, hey, 488 00:25:01,526 --> 00:25:04,486 Speaker 3: I want to be mindful that if I do actually 489 00:25:04,526 --> 00:25:07,486 Speaker 3: feel like I've lost some you know, amniotic fluid or 490 00:25:07,486 --> 00:25:09,846 Speaker 3: some waters like, that's where it now tends to get 491 00:25:10,006 --> 00:25:13,326 Speaker 3: very risky. So I wasn't doing much. I couldn't couldn't 492 00:25:13,326 --> 00:25:16,366 Speaker 3: do anything, couldn't walk anywhere. Yes, all I really, all 493 00:25:16,406 --> 00:25:18,806 Speaker 3: I could really do during that period was just go 494 00:25:19,326 --> 00:25:22,566 Speaker 3: on ten hooks, is it happening? Is it happening anyway? 495 00:25:22,566 --> 00:25:25,526 Speaker 3: I didn't So on the induction day, I waited and 496 00:25:25,566 --> 00:25:27,686 Speaker 3: waited and waited for them to call me and tell me, okay, 497 00:25:27,686 --> 00:25:29,486 Speaker 3: you can come in now. And finally at three pm 498 00:25:29,526 --> 00:25:31,526 Speaker 3: they were like coming out, and I was so ready. 499 00:25:31,566 --> 00:25:34,126 Speaker 3: I was like, I am birthing this baby to day. 500 00:25:34,486 --> 00:25:37,606 Speaker 2: I bet it is happening. So they hook you up. 501 00:25:37,646 --> 00:25:39,926 Speaker 1: Do they just give you the protosins throw away or 502 00:25:39,926 --> 00:25:41,206 Speaker 1: did you have like the tap? 503 00:25:42,046 --> 00:25:43,726 Speaker 3: Now I didn't need any of that because I was like, 504 00:25:43,766 --> 00:25:47,126 Speaker 3: I was four centimeters, So I think they were convinced 505 00:25:47,126 --> 00:25:49,206 Speaker 3: that actually, you know, I really wouldn't be on it 506 00:25:49,326 --> 00:25:50,686 Speaker 3: for very long and then all of a sudden they 507 00:25:50,726 --> 00:25:53,286 Speaker 3: would be showtime. But once I got in there, actually 508 00:25:53,326 --> 00:25:55,086 Speaker 3: before I even before they even did even to me, 509 00:25:55,286 --> 00:25:57,046 Speaker 3: there was a lovely student mid wife who did my 510 00:25:57,126 --> 00:26:00,206 Speaker 3: canular and I'm a bleeder and anyway I bled and 511 00:26:00,446 --> 00:26:02,686 Speaker 3: I think she'd had a long day. So she came 512 00:26:02,686 --> 00:26:05,606 Speaker 3: over a bit funny and sort of fainted, and the 513 00:26:05,686 --> 00:26:08,526 Speaker 3: other beautiful midwife, Plasha she was She was like, oh, 514 00:26:08,526 --> 00:26:10,526 Speaker 3: it's okay, and Michael's like, oh, look, I think she's 515 00:26:10,566 --> 00:26:12,246 Speaker 3: just you know, she's okay, Like I think she's had 516 00:26:12,326 --> 00:26:15,406 Speaker 3: a vasovagel or something, and anyway, one of the ward 517 00:26:15,486 --> 00:26:17,966 Speaker 3: leaders came in and saw that obviously that the midwife 518 00:26:18,046 --> 00:26:20,246 Speaker 3: was on the floor, so she's pushed the you know, 519 00:26:20,366 --> 00:26:24,326 Speaker 3: emergency call button. Well, well that was high drama because 520 00:26:24,326 --> 00:26:28,286 Speaker 3: suddenly there's twenty to thirty people inside the room, like 521 00:26:28,366 --> 00:26:30,726 Speaker 3: coming in everyone like you know, crash carts and being 522 00:26:30,806 --> 00:26:32,366 Speaker 3: like and looking at me on the bed. At this point, 523 00:26:32,446 --> 00:26:35,846 Speaker 3: I'm still like fully dressed, like just happy as Larry 524 00:26:35,846 --> 00:26:37,726 Speaker 3: on the bed. Nothing has started, but looking at me, 525 00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:39,726 Speaker 3: like you know, thinking, and I'm like, it's not me, 526 00:26:39,766 --> 00:26:42,606 Speaker 3: it's the lady behind behind the bed that sort of fainted. 527 00:26:43,086 --> 00:26:46,246 Speaker 3: So unfortunately that delayed things by about an hour. And 528 00:26:46,286 --> 00:26:48,806 Speaker 3: she was fine, she was absolutely fine. It was just 529 00:26:48,966 --> 00:26:52,486 Speaker 3: sort of a dramatic start to the evening. But it 530 00:26:52,526 --> 00:26:55,086 Speaker 3: also meant that by the time like we actually got 531 00:26:55,406 --> 00:26:59,406 Speaker 3: the drip in, it was like five o'clock and I 532 00:26:59,486 --> 00:27:01,926 Speaker 3: was like, this is it's happening today. It has to 533 00:27:01,966 --> 00:27:04,286 Speaker 3: happen today. He's getting born to bury it. I was 534 00:27:04,366 --> 00:27:07,206 Speaker 3: raising myself and I kept Pasha. I was like, turn 535 00:27:07,286 --> 00:27:10,205 Speaker 3: that trip up, let's get this going. I'm having this baby. 536 00:27:11,006 --> 00:27:14,646 Speaker 3: And by six point thirty she checks and I'm like, 537 00:27:14,686 --> 00:27:16,086 Speaker 3: what am I net what am I? Check? What am I? 538 00:27:16,126 --> 00:27:17,086 Speaker 3: She's like five centimeters. 539 00:27:17,126 --> 00:27:21,726 Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, man, okay, and you're still no EPI dural. 540 00:27:21,806 --> 00:27:23,926 Speaker 2: You're still just doing this sign. 541 00:27:24,166 --> 00:27:27,246 Speaker 3: Yeah. It still hadn't really escalated beyond what I've been 542 00:27:27,246 --> 00:27:29,926 Speaker 3: feeling for the last you know, three weeks. So I'm 543 00:27:29,926 --> 00:27:31,606 Speaker 3: sitting there going, no, this is fine. I can chat. 544 00:27:31,646 --> 00:27:34,366 Speaker 3: It's not a problem. And then forty five minutes later, 545 00:27:34,406 --> 00:27:36,766 Speaker 3: she goes, you know, you want an EPI durol because 546 00:27:36,766 --> 00:27:38,566 Speaker 3: I'd had an EPI durol with my previous two and 547 00:27:39,206 --> 00:27:41,806 Speaker 3: that is my birth plan EPI dural. So I was like, 548 00:27:42,006 --> 00:27:44,526 Speaker 3: just EPI dural is on the carts and I made 549 00:27:44,526 --> 00:27:46,286 Speaker 3: her write that up on the board and I was like, Pasha, 550 00:27:46,366 --> 00:27:48,006 Speaker 3: you need to know that I'm having an EPI drool 551 00:27:48,766 --> 00:27:50,846 Speaker 3: at seven. Yeah, quarter past seven. She's like, hey, you 552 00:27:50,846 --> 00:27:52,486 Speaker 3: going and I'm like, yeah, look at this is still okay. 553 00:27:52,526 --> 00:27:54,606 Speaker 3: I think I'm still okay. And she's like, look, you 554 00:27:54,646 --> 00:27:56,846 Speaker 3: want an EPI durol. We perhaps order it up anyway, 555 00:27:57,086 --> 00:27:59,006 Speaker 3: just you know, it might take a little while just 556 00:27:59,046 --> 00:28:00,526 Speaker 3: to make sure. So I was like, cool, go do that. 557 00:28:00,526 --> 00:28:02,926 Speaker 3: That's fine. So she went out, she came back in 558 00:28:03,326 --> 00:28:05,326 Speaker 3: and then it's sort of as she she came back in, 559 00:28:05,606 --> 00:28:08,166 Speaker 3: you know, five minutes later, I was like, oh, okay, 560 00:28:08,206 --> 00:28:11,686 Speaker 3: this is yeah, mm hmm, this is really this is 561 00:28:11,686 --> 00:28:14,406 Speaker 3: really going on now. And I was like, oh okay, yeah. 562 00:28:14,526 --> 00:28:17,046 Speaker 3: I was like, Pasha, I need that EPI durol now, 563 00:28:17,206 --> 00:28:19,166 Speaker 3: like can you get back out there and saw it 564 00:28:19,166 --> 00:28:21,526 Speaker 3: out and she's like okay, all right. So she left 565 00:28:21,566 --> 00:28:23,966 Speaker 3: and thankfully I had a beautiful student middlewife with me, Gabby, 566 00:28:23,966 --> 00:28:25,486 Speaker 3: so there's still someone in the room and Michael, we're 567 00:28:25,486 --> 00:28:27,846 Speaker 3: still there. And as she left the room, you know, 568 00:28:27,846 --> 00:28:30,686 Speaker 3: they were trying to move me position wise and they're like, 569 00:28:30,686 --> 00:28:32,606 Speaker 3: I'll get back up on the bed. And I was like, oh, Gabby, 570 00:28:32,686 --> 00:28:34,646 Speaker 3: this isn't comfortable. I can't this is not working. I 571 00:28:34,686 --> 00:28:36,926 Speaker 3: can't do this. But I can't sit. And as I 572 00:28:36,966 --> 00:28:38,326 Speaker 3: was starting to get off the bed, I was like, 573 00:28:38,406 --> 00:28:42,286 Speaker 3: ohh and I've had nothing, like I've had no pain, relief, 574 00:28:42,406 --> 00:28:44,446 Speaker 3: no gas, no nothing at this point. So I could 575 00:28:44,486 --> 00:28:47,446 Speaker 3: really feel it and I was like, oh my god, Gabby, 576 00:28:47,486 --> 00:28:50,166 Speaker 3: I can feel it, like I could feel the head 577 00:28:50,286 --> 00:28:52,526 Speaker 3: down now. So I'm standing next to the bed and 578 00:28:52,566 --> 00:28:55,286 Speaker 3: I've got my legs like press so hard together because 579 00:28:55,286 --> 00:28:56,726 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, Oh my god. And she 580 00:28:56,846 --> 00:28:58,646 Speaker 3: was like, don't be silly, it's not the head yet. 581 00:28:58,646 --> 00:29:01,726 Speaker 3: You're fine, like it's you're okay, and I was like no, genuinely. 582 00:29:01,766 --> 00:29:03,526 Speaker 3: She was like, just pull your legs apart, and I 583 00:29:03,566 --> 00:29:05,766 Speaker 3: was like, I can't. He's gonna fall out, like head 584 00:29:05,846 --> 00:29:08,166 Speaker 3: is there and anyway, so she managed to sort of 585 00:29:08,206 --> 00:29:09,406 Speaker 3: get it a little bit apart and have a look. 586 00:29:09,446 --> 00:29:13,806 Speaker 3: She's like, oh, yeah, the head's there. I was in 587 00:29:13,846 --> 00:29:16,486 Speaker 3: shock because I was like, I can't. I can't do this. 588 00:29:17,046 --> 00:29:18,806 Speaker 3: I can't do this without an EPI driol. I've never 589 00:29:18,806 --> 00:29:20,646 Speaker 3: done this out an EPI driol. I need an EPI driol, 590 00:29:20,646 --> 00:29:22,926 Speaker 3: Like I can't do this. And the pain was so 591 00:29:22,966 --> 00:29:26,006 Speaker 3: intense and I've never felt that before, and I was screaming. 592 00:29:26,126 --> 00:29:28,046 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I can't do it. 593 00:29:28,086 --> 00:29:30,566 Speaker 3: And so I'm yelling at Michael. I'm like, yet, Pasha 594 00:29:30,646 --> 00:29:33,006 Speaker 3: back in here. And so Pasha came back in and 595 00:29:33,086 --> 00:29:35,526 Speaker 3: she was like, oh, okay, what's going on. So I 596 00:29:35,526 --> 00:29:37,526 Speaker 3: think she got behind me and Gabby was in front 597 00:29:37,526 --> 00:29:40,726 Speaker 3: of me and they were like, okay, we're both in position. 598 00:29:40,846 --> 00:29:44,326 Speaker 3: Now open your legs a bit and then just see 599 00:29:44,366 --> 00:29:46,166 Speaker 3: if you can just do a little just do a 600 00:29:46,206 --> 00:29:49,566 Speaker 3: little push. And so I managed to, like, you know, 601 00:29:49,646 --> 00:29:53,446 Speaker 3: get my legs apart. And I'm not even confident that 602 00:29:53,486 --> 00:29:56,206 Speaker 3: I pushed. I'm not even sure that it was actually 603 00:29:56,246 --> 00:29:59,206 Speaker 3: any type of effort on my behalf. But he shot 604 00:29:59,246 --> 00:30:01,926 Speaker 3: out of me like a rocket, and all of the 605 00:30:02,006 --> 00:30:05,206 Speaker 3: amniotic fluid like came out behind him. And they did 606 00:30:05,246 --> 00:30:07,166 Speaker 3: so well that they caught him because I was standing 607 00:30:07,246 --> 00:30:09,566 Speaker 3: and they like they just they did such a great 608 00:30:09,606 --> 00:30:14,046 Speaker 3: job of catching him. And I just had that flood 609 00:30:14,046 --> 00:30:17,566 Speaker 3: of relief that pain was over because it had been 610 00:30:17,966 --> 00:30:20,006 Speaker 3: I mean, it's so embarrassing. It had been twelve minutes. 611 00:30:20,046 --> 00:30:21,646 Speaker 3: That's it. It had been twelve minutes of pain. That 612 00:30:21,726 --> 00:30:22,486 Speaker 3: is all I had felt. 613 00:30:22,846 --> 00:30:23,486 Speaker 2: Wow. 614 00:30:24,006 --> 00:30:27,566 Speaker 3: But I was just aside myself that it was so painful, 615 00:30:27,926 --> 00:30:30,886 Speaker 3: and I had actually forgotten there was a baby, Like 616 00:30:30,926 --> 00:30:33,086 Speaker 3: I'd forgotten that that was the result at the end 617 00:30:33,086 --> 00:30:35,446 Speaker 3: of it. And then he cried, and I got shocked 618 00:30:35,446 --> 00:30:37,806 Speaker 3: because I was like, oh my god, there's a baby. 619 00:30:37,886 --> 00:30:40,446 Speaker 3: Like I was in such relief that the pain was over, 620 00:30:41,326 --> 00:30:43,086 Speaker 3: and then they're sort of handing him up to me 621 00:30:43,126 --> 00:30:46,086 Speaker 3: and I'm still standing and like it's super awkward. To 622 00:30:46,166 --> 00:30:48,366 Speaker 3: be standing and then like them handing you a baby 623 00:30:48,446 --> 00:30:50,526 Speaker 3: after you've just given them, and I was like, oh okay, 624 00:30:51,006 --> 00:30:52,646 Speaker 3: and I held him and I remember thinking and I 625 00:30:52,646 --> 00:30:54,966 Speaker 3: said to them, I'm like, he's so little, he's so little. 626 00:30:55,486 --> 00:30:57,206 Speaker 3: My other two went this little, he's so little, and 627 00:30:57,206 --> 00:31:00,366 Speaker 3: they're like, he's not that little. And he wasn't that little. 628 00:31:00,406 --> 00:31:02,966 Speaker 3: He was three point seven or something. So yeah, I 629 00:31:03,046 --> 00:31:05,926 Speaker 3: was in shock still that he was actually there. And 630 00:31:05,966 --> 00:31:12,126 Speaker 3: then unfortunately I had torn significantly because he had come 631 00:31:12,206 --> 00:31:12,686 Speaker 3: so quickly. 632 00:31:12,886 --> 00:31:13,406 Speaker 2: Yeah. 633 00:31:13,486 --> 00:31:14,886 Speaker 3: Wow, so we had to deal with that. 634 00:31:15,566 --> 00:31:18,166 Speaker 2: Well, well done to you for doing it. 635 00:31:18,286 --> 00:31:20,966 Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing what we can do when we 636 00:31:21,006 --> 00:31:24,006 Speaker 1: don't realize it. But it really went from zero to 637 00:31:24,046 --> 00:31:25,606 Speaker 1: one hundred very quickly for you. 638 00:31:26,166 --> 00:31:28,446 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it escalated, and I mean for me it 639 00:31:28,526 --> 00:31:31,486 Speaker 3: was kind of honestly, I know it's awful, but that 640 00:31:31,566 --> 00:31:33,486 Speaker 3: twelve minutes and I was like, oh my god. You 641 00:31:33,526 --> 00:31:35,926 Speaker 3: know those women who do do it pain free, Oh 642 00:31:35,966 --> 00:31:37,446 Speaker 3: my god, and do it and do it a second 643 00:31:37,446 --> 00:31:39,326 Speaker 3: time pain free. My hat's off to you. If I 644 00:31:39,366 --> 00:31:41,326 Speaker 3: had done that with my first child, I would be 645 00:31:41,366 --> 00:31:43,926 Speaker 3: avoiding every I'd be like asking for the epiduralist. And 646 00:31:43,926 --> 00:31:45,886 Speaker 3: as I present to the hospital because that was it 647 00:31:45,926 --> 00:31:48,086 Speaker 3: was not fun. Yeah, it was twelve minutes, which is 648 00:31:48,166 --> 00:31:50,126 Speaker 3: ridiculous because you can do anything for twelve minutes. No, 649 00:31:50,406 --> 00:31:52,566 Speaker 3: I would have traded anything in that position to have 650 00:31:52,646 --> 00:31:54,486 Speaker 3: had the fordural on board. 651 00:31:54,566 --> 00:31:58,526 Speaker 1: But you recovered, okay, they obviously stitched you up when 652 00:31:58,566 --> 00:32:01,086 Speaker 1: you finally kind of realized what had happened. 653 00:32:01,886 --> 00:32:05,166 Speaker 2: What was it like to see him for the first time. 654 00:32:05,966 --> 00:32:10,166 Speaker 3: I really can't remember him being on my chest for 655 00:32:10,286 --> 00:32:12,646 Speaker 3: very I can't really remember that sort of first cuddle 656 00:32:12,966 --> 00:32:15,446 Speaker 3: because I'd torn quite badly and they were stitching that up, 657 00:32:15,766 --> 00:32:19,286 Speaker 3: and then I was also getting cord blood collection happening, 658 00:32:19,566 --> 00:32:23,046 Speaker 3: and I was bleeding quite a lot, and I passed 659 00:32:23,046 --> 00:32:25,766 Speaker 3: a clock the size of my fist, and so the 660 00:32:25,846 --> 00:32:29,446 Speaker 3: decision was made pretty quickly for Michael to take Lockie, 661 00:32:29,486 --> 00:32:31,606 Speaker 3: and they were just sort of, you know, they were 662 00:32:31,646 --> 00:32:35,126 Speaker 3: doing lots of fundle massage and stitching me and trying 663 00:32:35,126 --> 00:32:37,166 Speaker 3: to get the bleeding under control and trying to get 664 00:32:37,206 --> 00:32:40,246 Speaker 3: the tear sitch up as best as possible. And I'd 665 00:32:40,246 --> 00:32:44,046 Speaker 3: always had the epidural like on board for that after birth. 666 00:32:44,326 --> 00:32:47,686 Speaker 3: That was horrific. It was horrific. I had the fundle 667 00:32:47,686 --> 00:32:49,886 Speaker 3: massage for like up to three or four hours after 668 00:32:50,126 --> 00:32:52,686 Speaker 3: and it was just I was crying through it, like 669 00:32:52,726 --> 00:32:56,366 Speaker 3: it was. It wasn't probably really until kind of the 670 00:32:56,406 --> 00:33:00,406 Speaker 3: next morning that I really had that moment of being like, oh, 671 00:33:00,446 --> 00:33:03,526 Speaker 3: you're here and we have you and your and everything's 672 00:33:03,566 --> 00:33:06,926 Speaker 3: fine and you know now it's now you're in our 673 00:33:06,926 --> 00:33:09,526 Speaker 3: lives and you know, and from then on, like it was, 674 00:33:09,886 --> 00:33:10,726 Speaker 3: it was beautiful. 675 00:33:11,046 --> 00:33:14,886 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Lucky is nine months old. You've recovered. 676 00:33:15,606 --> 00:33:19,886 Speaker 1: Now that you've I'm assuming finished having children, what is 677 00:33:20,006 --> 00:33:21,886 Speaker 1: the next steps with your health? 678 00:33:22,326 --> 00:33:25,126 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so the hysterectomy has been rebooked. It is 679 00:33:25,166 --> 00:33:29,286 Speaker 3: now also in like three weeks time. So yes, very 680 00:33:29,366 --> 00:33:32,006 Speaker 3: much looking forward to getting that done and sort of 681 00:33:32,046 --> 00:33:35,326 Speaker 3: closing that chapter and returned to okay, you know, making 682 00:33:35,486 --> 00:33:38,846 Speaker 3: healthy decisions that they suit me. And yeah, but he's 683 00:33:38,886 --> 00:33:43,006 Speaker 3: an absolute delight. He is a dream baby. Oh wonderful 684 00:33:43,086 --> 00:33:44,126 Speaker 3: we got so lucky. 685 00:33:44,366 --> 00:33:48,966 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, congratulations and hopefully Margo hasn't gotten into the 686 00:33:48,966 --> 00:33:51,806 Speaker 1: bedside table over the last. 687 00:33:53,566 --> 00:33:56,526 Speaker 3: Wait, no, trust me, I don't know. We very much 688 00:33:56,846 --> 00:33:58,566 Speaker 3: made sure that that was not going to be a 689 00:33:58,606 --> 00:34:02,886 Speaker 3: repeated mistake. And yeah, there's no chance and no chance 690 00:34:02,926 --> 00:34:03,806 Speaker 3: of that happening again. 691 00:34:04,006 --> 00:34:07,646 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Well has some great stories to tell when 692 00:34:07,686 --> 00:34:10,526 Speaker 1: he is a little bit older. It's been a delight 693 00:34:10,605 --> 00:34:14,325 Speaker 1: to talk to you and hear about Lockie, and I 694 00:34:14,406 --> 00:34:18,566 Speaker 1: hope that your surgery goes well and that you recover well. 695 00:34:18,846 --> 00:34:22,165 Speaker 1: Thank you and thank you so much for sharing your 696 00:34:22,205 --> 00:34:22,966 Speaker 1: story with us. 697 00:34:23,366 --> 00:34:25,646 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much. It's been my obswort pleasure. 698 00:34:27,605 --> 00:34:30,565 Speaker 1: Diary of a Birth was hosted by me kiss Enya Lukic. 699 00:34:31,326 --> 00:34:33,205 Speaker 1: We are going to be taking a little bit of 700 00:34:33,246 --> 00:34:35,886 Speaker 1: a break from Diary of a Birth for now, and 701 00:34:36,085 --> 00:34:38,605 Speaker 1: I wanted to say personally thank you so much to 702 00:34:38,766 --> 00:34:43,205 Speaker 1: everybody for listening and enjoying this podcast as much as 703 00:34:43,246 --> 00:34:47,326 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed recording it. We do want to keep hearing 704 00:34:47,406 --> 00:34:49,886 Speaker 1: your story, so if you have anything you want to share, 705 00:34:50,085 --> 00:34:51,846 Speaker 1: please send us an email. 706 00:34:52,165 --> 00:34:55,526 Speaker 2: The details are in the show notes. 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