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Speaker 1: We're going to share some episodes of Little Love Stories.

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Speaker 1: Little Love Stories is an open hearted conversation with someone

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Speaker 1: who has love to share that love can be anything,

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Speaker 1: a time in someone's life, a person, or even an object.

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Speaker 1: It's all about discovering the magic everywhere you look. So

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy this episode of Little Love Stories.

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Speaker 3: I love you how you live with them?

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Speaker 1: From Mamma Mia and This Glorious Mess. Welcome to Little

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Speaker 1: Love Stories. I'm Grace Rufrey. Have you ever met someone

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Speaker 1: new and felt that undeniable spark, Not a romantic one,

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Speaker 1: but the spark of friendship like a lightning strike. It

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Speaker 1: tells you this person is going to play a special

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Speaker 1: role in your life. Well, that's exactly what happened when

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Speaker 1: Damian Callanan met Cal Wilson in two thousand and one.

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Speaker 4: You're one of the few responsible ones, can you look

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Speaker 4: after Cal Wilson? And Cal was standing next to her,

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Speaker 4: and she was this little bouncy blonde with significant trousers

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Speaker 1: It's been almost a year since the world lost the vibrant,

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Speaker 1: glowing spark of the ever funny kiwek comedian Cal Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Cal and Damien went on to collaborate on comedy shows

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Speaker 1: like ski House and live performances across the country. Damien,

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Speaker 1: who had the honor of being the MC at both

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Speaker 1: Cal's wedding and her funeral, what he calls one of

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Speaker 1: the most hotant gigs of his life, says that amidst

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Speaker 1: the pain of losing her, the moments that bring him

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Speaker 1: joy is hearing the countless stories people feel compelled to

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Speaker 1: share with him, and he's gathered an endless collection of

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Speaker 1: cal Wilson moments.

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Speaker 3: So even in death.

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Speaker 4: Kelle is kind of bringing people together and people, as

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Speaker 4: you say, randoms or vocals. When I was doing media

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Speaker 4: after she first died away, I'd have producers like on

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Speaker 4: the line saying I had one experience with Cal.

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Speaker 3: And it was this.

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Speaker 4: The most interesting one was a producer who said, I

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Speaker 4: and she was just tepping around a computer for the

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Speaker 4: who are you?

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Speaker 5: What do you do?

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Speaker 1: Cal had a way of making people feel like her

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Speaker 1: best friend, with so much room in her heart to

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Speaker 1: she had for her husband, Chris and their son Digby.

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Speaker 1: When someone's life touches so many it can feel unjust

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Speaker 1: and unfair to lose them. But that's not the part

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Speaker 1: Damien chooses to focus on.

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Speaker 3: Why. That's not how I think about life.

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Speaker 4: I think if you get into the cruelties and disappointments

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Speaker 1: Cow brought immeasurable joy to Damien's life. Decades of friendship

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Speaker 1: have now become memories full of warmth and the pang

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Speaker 1: silly little jokes that keep her legacy alive. But before

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Speaker 1: we get there, here's some love that people want to

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Speaker 6: The person that fills my cup is my nine year

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Speaker 6: old sister, Ellie May. Every time I see her, even

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Speaker 7: So it's not so much a person that fills my cup,

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Speaker 9: I've known my friend Claire since we were eleven years old.

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Speaker 9: We live in different hemispheres and have done for the

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Speaker 4: So I start everything by procrastinating. Everything starts with procrastinating. Absolutely,

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Speaker 4: I'd already done that. I'd already written a piece about

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Speaker 4: knowing that there were going to be a lot of

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Speaker 4: people saying things. But I still had to introduce myself

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Speaker 4: And it's actually quite howful to do that in a way.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think there's been many deaths in my

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Speaker 4: When hell did pass away, I was on tour but

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Speaker 4: which is about grief. Largely, it's Mum and Dad's story

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Speaker 4: We found this diary on the night of Dad's funeral

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Speaker 4: to a version of my mum. I never possibly knew

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Speaker 4: got back on the plane that night, slept for three hours,

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Speaker 3: Everything went wrong.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to the beginning because like

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Speaker 1: all good love stories, and a friendship is a love story.

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Speaker 1: I would love you to tell the story of when

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Speaker 1: you met Cal Wilson.

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Speaker 4: Cal and I met at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival.

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Speaker 4: It was opening night party and I suspect the year

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Speaker 3: Can you look after Cal Wilson?

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Speaker 4: And Cal was stand next to her, and as I

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you continued to both work on your own careers,

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Speaker 4: Well, the main one which really solidified the friendship was

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Speaker 4: I think we'd done one season and col wasn't in

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Speaker 4: Cal was invited to join, and that's what prompted her

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Speaker 4: to move to Australia. She had done other things in

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Speaker 4: we just played so much together. We're just I makeing

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Speaker 4: its sound that the friendship was just play. It wasn't,

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Speaker 4: because there was no one in the world more capable

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Speaker 4: in the first decade of this millennia, I went through stuff,

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Speaker 4: you know, my mum's tragic accident and end of relationship

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Speaker 4: quite close to it, and cal was just always she

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Speaker 4: knew exactly what to do and how to support you

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Speaker 4: all parties, she go, I'm here for you, and so

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Speaker 4: I'm here to celebrate you and what's going on and

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Speaker 4: whatever decisions you make. She had like every tap that

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Speaker 4: I wrote of it this and the piece, and I

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00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:06,170
Speaker 4: guess it was the moment that caught me the most

440
00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:09,290
Speaker 4: was it was very tricky because it was on the

441
00:22:09,330 --> 00:22:12,050
Speaker 4: first floor and the coffin had to leave doesn't just

442
00:22:12,090 --> 00:22:13,450
Speaker 4: go out the door. It had to wait at the

443
00:22:13,450 --> 00:22:16,050
Speaker 4: lift lobby, and I had no idea that there was

444
00:22:16,050 --> 00:22:18,810
Speaker 4: going to be thirty or forty people going with cal.

445
00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:20,730
Speaker 4: But I had to hold the other people because the

446
00:22:20,730 --> 00:22:23,250
Speaker 4: reception drinks were happening on the other side of the room,

447
00:22:23,290 --> 00:22:26,330
Speaker 4: so they couldn't walk through the coffins. So I kind

448
00:22:26,330 --> 00:22:28,250
Speaker 4: of flagged that with them and I said, look, can

449
00:22:28,290 --> 00:22:31,010
Speaker 4: one of you just let me know when it's okay

450
00:22:31,010 --> 00:22:33,050
Speaker 4: to let people go? So I had to just stand

451
00:22:33,410 --> 00:22:36,650
Speaker 4: and I became the entire focus. Then I forgot though,

452
00:22:37,330 --> 00:22:42,530
Speaker 4: what happens when it coffin leaves church. It's the cork

453
00:22:42,570 --> 00:22:46,170
Speaker 4: out of the bottle. But normally what happens is that

454
00:22:46,490 --> 00:22:50,730
Speaker 4: people's congregations start to follow, so they don't really have

455
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:53,570
Speaker 4: time to emote, say oh, we're getting out and we're going.

456
00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:56,170
Speaker 4: In this instance, they all just sat there and as

457
00:22:57,090 --> 00:23:01,290
Speaker 4: they left the room completely just disintegrated.

458
00:23:01,770 --> 00:23:04,730
Speaker 3: I was watching dear friends literally.

459
00:23:04,330 --> 00:23:08,490
Speaker 4: Collapse on the ground in grief and wrapping their arms

460
00:23:08,490 --> 00:23:14,490
Speaker 4: around each other and just complete raw grief that just

461
00:23:15,090 --> 00:23:17,890
Speaker 4: cascaded through the room, and I just had to stand

462
00:23:18,010 --> 00:23:18,850
Speaker 4: like a bollard.

463
00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:23,130
Speaker 3: Holy I got the word to let people go.

464
00:23:24,010 --> 00:23:26,570
Speaker 4: That was by far the hardest moment I had to

465
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:30,530
Speaker 4: control my grief at that moment, like it was I think.

466
00:23:30,370 --> 00:23:32,450
Speaker 3: If I had got if I had gone, like, I

467
00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:37,490
Speaker 3: don't know what would happen. Was holding that, yeah, just

468
00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:42,170
Speaker 3: holding it. And then once people started to move, thankfully.

469
00:23:41,730 --> 00:23:43,490
Speaker 4: There were toilets just kind of at the back of

470
00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:47,290
Speaker 4: where I was, and I just walked into the bathrooms

471
00:23:47,290 --> 00:23:48,290
Speaker 4: and just stood.

472
00:23:48,570 --> 00:23:50,490
Speaker 3: I knew it'd it to myself. People were going the

473
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:52,490
Speaker 3: other way, and I just howled.

474
00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:55,730
Speaker 4: I was able to kind of just like, yeah, you

475
00:23:55,770 --> 00:23:57,370
Speaker 4: know when it's like there are those moments where you

476
00:23:57,490 --> 00:23:59,730
Speaker 4: just have the full throttle.

477
00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:02,370
Speaker 1: Release yeah, shoulder cryes, I called them.

478
00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:04,810
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, just it's not coming out of partsy body.

479
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:09,130
Speaker 4: It shouldn't come out or before. And it was so

480
00:24:09,250 --> 00:24:11,450
Speaker 4: kind of abrupt, it was like just like the top

481
00:24:11,490 --> 00:24:13,250
Speaker 4: off the volcano. And then I had to kind of

482
00:24:13,290 --> 00:24:15,810
Speaker 4: compose myself a little bit and go back into the room.

483
00:24:15,970 --> 00:24:19,370
Speaker 4: I did do a bit in and about cals frustrating

484
00:24:19,450 --> 00:24:27,530
Speaker 4: ability to always be empathetic all circumstances, and so exhorted

485
00:24:27,570 --> 00:24:30,330
Speaker 4: everyone to write, You've got to be more like Cal Wilson.

486
00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:32,690
Speaker 4: Since she just passed away, I've been doing that. I've

487
00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:36,490
Speaker 4: bought seventeen copies of the Big Issue a crowdfunded a

488
00:24:36,490 --> 00:24:38,130
Speaker 4: comedian show who I don't really rate.

489
00:24:54,010 --> 00:24:56,530
Speaker 1: Cal's last job was bake Off, and you say in

490
00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:58,610
Speaker 1: your letter that you've still not watched it because, and

491
00:24:58,650 --> 00:25:00,570
Speaker 1: I think the reason you haven't is one of the

492
00:25:00,570 --> 00:25:03,130
Speaker 1: most beautiful quotes about grief that I've ever heard. You said,

493
00:25:03,130 --> 00:25:06,050
Speaker 1: it's because the joy of seeing her shine is still

494
00:25:06,050 --> 00:25:08,890
Speaker 1: outweighed by the pain. So I wanted to know what

495
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:11,970
Speaker 1: are the days or the moments where the joy of

496
00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:13,410
Speaker 1: Cal outweighs the pain.

497
00:25:13,650 --> 00:25:16,370
Speaker 4: Look at the moment, it's when I'm talking about her

498
00:25:16,450 --> 00:25:20,770
Speaker 4: with my friends and recalling moments. That's the time she

499
00:25:20,770 --> 00:25:23,330
Speaker 4: feels the most alive to me. Because You'll always have

500
00:25:23,490 --> 00:25:26,850
Speaker 4: new Cal anecdotes tell and we relish in hearing them.

501
00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:30,850
Speaker 4: I have watched some clips of her. I remember when

502
00:25:31,370 --> 00:25:34,090
Speaker 4: I started working with you and Bridy. Bridy sent me

503
00:25:34,170 --> 00:25:37,330
Speaker 4: a couple of clips of her working with Cal on

504
00:25:37,330 --> 00:25:40,410
Speaker 4: whose line is in any way Australian version. So I

505
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:43,610
Speaker 4: kind of went through and found some sketches from Skihouse

506
00:25:43,930 --> 00:25:46,490
Speaker 4: of Cal and I together, and I found that kind

507
00:25:46,530 --> 00:25:48,250
Speaker 4: of company, just going oh yeah, we did that one,

508
00:25:48,330 --> 00:25:50,930
Speaker 4: did that one and shared them with Bridy. I found

509
00:25:50,970 --> 00:25:52,690
Speaker 4: that easy. I think it was more because it was

510
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:55,970
Speaker 4: a more historic version of Cal. It's the more recent

511
00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:59,370
Speaker 4: ones I think are the artist to watch. And I

512
00:25:59,410 --> 00:26:01,450
Speaker 4: did try and watch the previous season of The Bakeoff.

513
00:26:01,690 --> 00:26:05,290
Speaker 4: I did watch one episode, but I found it incredibly.

514
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:10,530
Speaker 1: Hard seeing them so full and moving and bright is confronting.

515
00:26:10,890 --> 00:26:13,130
Speaker 4: Bakeoff is interesting too because it was a bit of

516
00:26:13,170 --> 00:26:15,610
Speaker 4: a drained job for her and it's what she was

517
00:26:15,650 --> 00:26:18,250
Speaker 4: working on when she got sick. And as we know,

518
00:26:18,290 --> 00:26:21,410
Speaker 4: this second season with her as one of the host

519
00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:24,570
Speaker 4: has just started to air. This is a beautiful story.

520
00:26:25,290 --> 00:26:29,010
Speaker 4: Earlier in the year, I was trying to find ways

521
00:26:29,010 --> 00:26:32,970
Speaker 4: to get Chris out about doing things, says, making sure

522
00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:35,810
Speaker 4: Digby was all right. Nothing thinking about him and Call

523
00:26:35,850 --> 00:26:38,450
Speaker 4: and I have very similar music tastes. Both had a

524
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:42,530
Speaker 4: great love for New Zealand independent music, Flying Nun Records

525
00:26:42,530 --> 00:26:45,570
Speaker 4: and so on, and we are constantly introduced music to

526
00:26:45,610 --> 00:26:47,890
Speaker 4: each other. It was actually a band that I really

527
00:26:47,890 --> 00:26:50,370
Speaker 4: wanted I spoke to Cal about and she hadn't heard

528
00:26:50,410 --> 00:26:52,210
Speaker 4: of him and my guy, I can't believe you don't

529
00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:55,050
Speaker 4: know the orb Weavers, and I just kept going to

530
00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:57,290
Speaker 4: message her to send her a linked songs that she

531
00:26:57,330 --> 00:27:00,170
Speaker 4: got sick and I never did so now now the

532
00:27:00,250 --> 00:27:03,250
Speaker 4: orb Weavers are like I just I love them. It's

533
00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:08,210
Speaker 4: like the band that I didn't share anyway. Chris is

534
00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:11,090
Speaker 4: a DJ. He does kind of like beats. He hosts

535
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:13,930
Speaker 4: a show like Internet Dolph Music, you know, but kind

536
00:27:13,930 --> 00:27:17,170
Speaker 4: of slightly the chill end of Dolf. So our music

537
00:27:17,250 --> 00:27:21,010
Speaker 4: convergence is quite separate, but there's like little middle grounds. Anyway,

538
00:27:21,010 --> 00:27:24,610
Speaker 4: there was this German jazz band called connic Rose touring

539
00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:26,690
Speaker 4: Australia and I was listening to him and going.

540
00:27:26,690 --> 00:27:27,730
Speaker 3: You know what, I reckon?

541
00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:29,890
Speaker 4: That might be summer in the middle of Chris and

542
00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:32,810
Speaker 4: my interest. So I told him and I said, they

543
00:27:32,890 --> 00:27:34,650
Speaker 4: played at the Jazz Lab in Brunswick. Do you want

544
00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:35,130
Speaker 4: to go anywhere?

545
00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:38,090
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, let's do that. So we went. I could

546
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:39,690
Speaker 3: tell he was really pleased.

547
00:27:39,490 --> 00:27:41,090
Speaker 4: You know, to be out about doing it and it

548
00:27:41,210 --> 00:27:44,250
Speaker 4: was a new experience both and they were fantastic. But

549
00:27:44,410 --> 00:27:46,450
Speaker 4: just before they started, it was very dark in the

550
00:27:46,530 --> 00:27:48,090
Speaker 4: jazz Lab and there was a couple sitting next to

551
00:27:48,170 --> 00:27:49,570
Speaker 4: us and Chris land.

552
00:27:49,410 --> 00:27:51,090
Speaker 5: Ode and he said, do you reckon that?

553
00:27:51,170 --> 00:27:53,770
Speaker 4: Warm was on bake Off and I said, mate, I've

554
00:27:53,770 --> 00:27:56,650
Speaker 4: only watched one episode, finding it hard. He said, yeah, same,

555
00:27:57,050 --> 00:27:58,770
Speaker 4: and I said, so I can't tell any sort of

556
00:27:59,010 --> 00:28:00,330
Speaker 4: Google showing a phone.

557
00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:02,090
Speaker 3: Do you reckon that to her? And I think it is?

558
00:28:02,770 --> 00:28:04,490
Speaker 4: Said should I say it? And I said, yeah, yeah,

559
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:06,890
Speaker 4: I think that would be lovely. So he leaned around.

560
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:08,650
Speaker 4: Of course he had to start by saying, Hi, are

561
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:10,890
Speaker 4: you off, bakeoff? And she went and oh yeah, And

562
00:28:10,930 --> 00:28:12,690
Speaker 4: I could tell by the face that she was quite.

563
00:28:12,490 --> 00:28:13,730
Speaker 3: Pleased to be recognized.

564
00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:16,490
Speaker 4: But then the next question, well, the next thing I

565
00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:19,970
Speaker 4: had to be said was ah, Gor Wilson's husband, And

566
00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:23,130
Speaker 4: then I just this woman's face just and then they

567
00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:28,090
Speaker 4: hugged for about a minute and then cried, and then

568
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:31,570
Speaker 4: we all sat down together, and of course she started

569
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:33,970
Speaker 4: to reveal more wonderful stories about Cal.

570
00:28:34,330 --> 00:28:37,210
Speaker 5: During the season, her husband, who was with her his.

571
00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:41,290
Speaker 4: Brother had passed away. Cal organized a card and checked

572
00:28:41,290 --> 00:28:43,610
Speaker 4: in with her every day. She said, she was just

573
00:28:43,770 --> 00:28:47,730
Speaker 4: incredibly kind and because this woman, like a lot of people,

574
00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:50,770
Speaker 4: not close enough to know the full story, and just

575
00:28:50,810 --> 00:28:52,890
Speaker 4: hearing him the shock of it, but then never being

576
00:28:52,930 --> 00:28:56,370
Speaker 4: able to connect to the story of what happened to her.

577
00:28:56,610 --> 00:28:59,330
Speaker 4: And then Chris very graciously, as he often does, He's

578
00:28:59,410 --> 00:29:02,770
Speaker 4: very open talked about what had gone on, so she

579
00:29:02,850 --> 00:29:05,170
Speaker 4: got the full picture, and we spent the whole night

580
00:29:05,210 --> 00:29:08,570
Speaker 4: with this couple watching a band somewhere in the middle

581
00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:09,650
Speaker 4: of our music interests.

582
00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:11,810
Speaker 1: It's when you hear stuff like this where you, like

583
00:29:12,130 --> 00:29:13,170
Speaker 1: Calm Wilson, you're.

584
00:29:13,050 --> 00:29:15,370
Speaker 3: A witch, absolute witch.

585
00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:18,050
Speaker 1: And you orchestrated it this whole thing, didn't you.

586
00:29:18,290 --> 00:29:19,970
Speaker 4: And I don't think it's over. I think that's just

587
00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:21,890
Speaker 4: going to be throughout my life. It's just going to

588
00:29:21,890 --> 00:29:25,250
Speaker 4: be little things. She's just planted ready to happen.

589
00:29:25,530 --> 00:29:28,890
Speaker 1: One of the cruel parts of grief is torturing yourself

590
00:29:28,890 --> 00:29:32,890
Speaker 1: and looking at last messages. But you and I'm only

591
00:29:32,970 --> 00:29:35,170
Speaker 1: laughing because I know what the answer to this question is.

592
00:29:35,890 --> 00:29:39,210
Speaker 1: You and cal shared a last message that I guess

593
00:29:39,370 --> 00:29:43,810
Speaker 1: perfectly captures your friendship, a very mature game that you

594
00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:45,970
Speaker 1: have with each other. Could you tell me the game

595
00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:48,850
Speaker 1: that you have and then also what your last message was.

596
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:52,810
Speaker 4: She introduced me to what is colloquially known as the

597
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:56,170
Speaker 4: cock game. It's very simple and very mature game where

598
00:29:56,730 --> 00:30:00,610
Speaker 4: the abbreviation often a Creek sign is ck rather than

599
00:30:00,730 --> 00:30:05,450
Speaker 4: full Creek word. Very simply, you just replace ck with

600
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:10,930
Speaker 4: cock and joy ensues. So it leads to things like

601
00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:15,490
Speaker 4: nine mile cock, Mother's cock. So my wife saw the

602
00:30:15,490 --> 00:30:20,170
Speaker 4: Holy Grail in California, big cock, some of my favorites.

603
00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:26,010
Speaker 4: Considerable cock, it's dainty, two muckcock, just one letter away

604
00:30:26,010 --> 00:30:30,090
Speaker 4: from being brilliant, but still two muckcock. Oh punk Bill's cock.

605
00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:34,810
Speaker 4: Cal and I, whenever we saw one, we would usually

606
00:30:34,810 --> 00:30:36,850
Speaker 4: just text the name. If it could stop and take

607
00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:40,010
Speaker 4: a photo, we would faithful cock. There's so many and

608
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:41,850
Speaker 4: again spread a course. I've got a couple of other

609
00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:44,610
Speaker 4: friends who play the game will send it to me.

610
00:30:44,650 --> 00:30:46,530
Speaker 4: But it was very much a call, and I think

611
00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:49,130
Speaker 4: I believe she talked about it in one of her shows.

612
00:30:49,450 --> 00:30:51,450
Speaker 4: It was not just a secret, but it was certainly

613
00:30:51,490 --> 00:30:53,130
Speaker 4: very much a call, and I think so. Yeah, So

614
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:57,210
Speaker 4: the last message I texted Cal was circular cock.

615
00:30:57,610 --> 00:30:59,050
Speaker 3: We had a couple of exchanges.

616
00:30:59,090 --> 00:31:02,130
Speaker 4: She was just before she was basically sedated, Just a

617
00:31:02,130 --> 00:31:04,930
Speaker 4: couple of exchanges about looking after the cats and things.

618
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:06,610
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was like circular.

619
00:31:06,290 --> 00:31:08,610
Speaker 5: Cock, a mental love heart from her.

620
00:31:09,050 --> 00:31:12,130
Speaker 3: Do you know it's beautiful day Grace. I talked about it.

621
00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:14,090
Speaker 5: At the memorial, and a lot of people saw the memorial.

622
00:31:14,170 --> 00:31:17,570
Speaker 4: I now have random people reach out to me on

623
00:31:17,770 --> 00:31:21,010
Speaker 4: whatever social media when they've come up with a found

624
00:31:21,010 --> 00:31:23,970
Speaker 4: a cock name or just a weird Australian place name

625
00:31:24,410 --> 00:31:26,930
Speaker 4: that fits in that Uber did say on the time,

626
00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:29,410
Speaker 4: on the day of the memorial that we should try

627
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:32,650
Speaker 4: and get a creek named after her Cow's cocks Cock

628
00:31:33,090 --> 00:31:35,650
Speaker 4: Tum Ballard was there and he saw me at the

629
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:38,090
Speaker 4: Comedy Republic afterwards and he said, I know someone on

630
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:40,410
Speaker 4: marraban and Council dat we can make this happen.

631
00:31:43,770 --> 00:31:45,050
Speaker 1: Is that the perfect legacy?

632
00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:46,130
Speaker 3: I think so.

633
00:31:46,290 --> 00:31:47,890
Speaker 4: I don't want it to be a shitcock, though I

634
00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:50,730
Speaker 4: wanted to. I don't want to just be like such

635
00:31:51,170 --> 00:31:54,930
Speaker 4: a drain coming out of an industrial part of Westwoods Gray.

636
00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:59,410
Speaker 1: It's got to be a good cock, good cock all right.

637
00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:02,730
Speaker 1: If anyone from the council is listening, any council, any

638
00:32:02,770 --> 00:32:03,930
Speaker 1: council will take anything.

639
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:05,570
Speaker 3: She probably tour he to every council.

640
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:08,690
Speaker 1: So Col Wilson Cox of Australia and there's just one

641
00:32:08,730 --> 00:32:09,690
Speaker 1: in every state.

642
00:32:09,690 --> 00:32:11,130
Speaker 3: Where it could be. Yeah.

643
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:14,770
Speaker 4: Yeah, at the end of the year they get a

644
00:32:14,850 --> 00:32:16,410
Speaker 4: ribbon for be the best col cock.

645
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:20,410
Speaker 1: Now, the question that we ask at the end of

646
00:32:20,410 --> 00:32:24,410
Speaker 1: every little love stories is what does love mean to you.

647
00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:29,610
Speaker 4: I think the ultimate happiness comes from being surrounded by

648
00:32:29,650 --> 00:32:33,090
Speaker 4: as much love as possible. But to do that, you

649
00:32:33,170 --> 00:32:36,210
Speaker 4: have to love yourself. You have to love things that

650
00:32:36,250 --> 00:32:39,090
Speaker 4: are hard to love, people that are hard to love,

651
00:32:39,370 --> 00:32:42,370
Speaker 4: situations that are hard to love, because if you just

652
00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:44,970
Speaker 4: take the love shrinks. And Cow was kind of the

653
00:32:45,010 --> 00:32:47,730
Speaker 4: embodiment of that, surrounding herself with love, and she left

654
00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:51,770
Speaker 4: all that love behind. So I think that is, you know,

655
00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:54,530
Speaker 4: my definition of it, and there's different kinds of love within.

656
00:32:54,650 --> 00:33:00,690
Speaker 4: That's passion and commitment and adoration that I have you

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Speaker 1: Danie, thank you for coming on Little Love Stories and

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Speaker 1: sharing your love for Cal and letting me into all

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Speaker 1: of these stories of Cal. It's just been a pleasure

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Speaker 4: To my pleasure, Grace, and it was a delight to

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Speaker 1: You can read Damien's full Little Love Story essay, which

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Speaker 1: will be dropped into our episode show notes. If you

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Speaker 1: for great stories and new perspectives around this glorious mess

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Speaker 1: site no matter where you come from and who you are.

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Speaker 1: To submit your story, you can leave us a voice

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Speaker 1: our show notes. Little Love Stories is produced by me

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Speaker 1: Grace Reorey with audio production by Leah Porge's. If you're

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Speaker 1: looking for something else to listen to, Mumma Me who

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Speaker 1: is presenting one hundred hours of summer listens from meaningful conversations,

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Speaker 1: incredible stories, fashion, beauty, and a bit of silliness. There's

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