1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,704 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,744 --> 00:00:30,344 Speaker 1: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick, 6 00:00:30,384 --> 00:00:32,904 Speaker 1: and today we are joined by a very special guest. 7 00:00:33,064 --> 00:00:35,704 Speaker 3: I'm Kelly mccaren. You might have heard me over on 8 00:00:35,744 --> 00:00:39,584 Speaker 3: the You Beauty podcast. Poor m is poorly this week, 9 00:00:39,664 --> 00:00:41,944 Speaker 3: so I am lucky enough to be filling in and 10 00:00:42,024 --> 00:00:43,384 Speaker 3: chatting all things celebrity. 11 00:00:43,704 --> 00:00:45,184 Speaker 1: Well, we love when Kelly's on the show because she 12 00:00:45,224 --> 00:00:47,384 Speaker 1: always has some hot takes. And it has been said 13 00:00:47,384 --> 00:00:49,624 Speaker 1: before the two of us talk too much when we're together, 14 00:00:49,784 --> 00:00:52,504 Speaker 1: wait to be separated. So if you look at this 15 00:00:52,544 --> 00:00:54,984 Speaker 1: podcast and the runtime is an hour and twenty minutes, 16 00:00:55,024 --> 00:00:55,784 Speaker 1: then we're sorry. 17 00:00:55,824 --> 00:00:57,184 Speaker 2: Can't blame it sick because everyone knows. 18 00:00:57,224 --> 00:00:59,944 Speaker 1: Everyone knows if we don't talk here or coming up 19 00:00:59,944 --> 00:01:02,544 Speaker 1: on the show today, lots to talk about. We are 20 00:01:02,544 --> 00:01:05,384 Speaker 1: giving our review on Joker Joker. 21 00:01:05,824 --> 00:01:08,944 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, Laura was just saying off much. She goes oh. 22 00:01:08,984 --> 00:01:11,704 Speaker 3: People keep saying that I am not pronouncing it properly, 23 00:01:11,744 --> 00:01:13,384 Speaker 3: and I said, we're not French why would you be 24 00:01:13,384 --> 00:01:13,864 Speaker 3: pronouncing it? 25 00:01:14,344 --> 00:01:17,184 Speaker 1: Actually just tried to say the name of it French 26 00:01:17,384 --> 00:01:20,504 Speaker 1: like a fool, so exactly because I am not from France. 27 00:01:20,544 --> 00:01:24,304 Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, joker for their do is that how a 28 00:01:24,344 --> 00:01:27,544 Speaker 1: French people? If we have any French listeners, they are 29 00:01:27,584 --> 00:01:29,064 Speaker 1: screaming into their cars right now. 30 00:01:29,784 --> 00:01:31,864 Speaker 2: Trust me, it sounds way worse when we try. 31 00:01:32,544 --> 00:01:35,704 Speaker 1: Well, we're giving our review on that movie because everyone 32 00:01:35,784 --> 00:01:36,944 Speaker 1: is talking about it. It's going to be one of 33 00:01:36,984 --> 00:01:38,864 Speaker 1: the biggest, not one of the best movies of the year, 34 00:01:38,904 --> 00:01:41,104 Speaker 1: one of the biggest talking points of the year, and 35 00:01:41,264 --> 00:01:44,504 Speaker 1: a very high profile celebrity divorce is on the horizon, 36 00:01:44,544 --> 00:01:47,224 Speaker 1: and we need to get into that. But first, some 37 00:01:47,384 --> 00:01:50,504 Speaker 1: very exciting movie news came out over the long weekend 38 00:01:50,544 --> 00:01:53,104 Speaker 1: for us. Kelly, are your Princess Diaries fan? I feel 39 00:01:53,104 --> 00:01:54,704 Speaker 1: like I can't tell this about you because you're the 40 00:01:54,784 --> 00:01:57,184 Speaker 1: right age to be one, But also I don't know 41 00:01:57,224 --> 00:01:58,464 Speaker 1: if that kind of movie is your jam. 42 00:01:58,704 --> 00:02:01,344 Speaker 2: No I loved it the first one, not the second one. 43 00:02:01,424 --> 00:02:02,504 Speaker 1: Oh you didn't like the second one? 44 00:02:02,704 --> 00:02:04,264 Speaker 2: No, I thought it was really boring. 45 00:02:04,424 --> 00:02:06,824 Speaker 1: I thought so many people love the second one. 46 00:02:07,704 --> 00:02:10,504 Speaker 3: I think I've seen the second one maybe once or 47 00:02:10,784 --> 00:02:12,184 Speaker 3: once and a half or you know, if it was 48 00:02:12,224 --> 00:02:14,864 Speaker 3: just playing on TV. But the first one. I love it. 49 00:02:15,144 --> 00:02:17,464 Speaker 3: I've watched it so many times. I even watched it recently, 50 00:02:17,504 --> 00:02:19,744 Speaker 3: like with my niece. I think, oh, really, yeah, it's 51 00:02:19,784 --> 00:02:21,104 Speaker 3: just it's really cute. 52 00:02:21,544 --> 00:02:24,064 Speaker 2: Didn't we all think that we were the painter the mom? 53 00:02:24,344 --> 00:02:26,984 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and so we'd like literally, my parents will 54 00:02:26,984 --> 00:02:29,224 Speaker 3: always talk about me like blowing up balloons with paint 55 00:02:29,264 --> 00:02:32,264 Speaker 3: in them and like throwing things at them in the backyard. 56 00:02:32,304 --> 00:02:34,704 Speaker 3: And then once it like spurted all over our cat, 57 00:02:35,104 --> 00:02:37,384 Speaker 3: and then our cat was like running around covered in paint. 58 00:02:37,544 --> 00:02:38,104 Speaker 2: The cat was fine. 59 00:02:38,104 --> 00:02:40,304 Speaker 1: I've never heard that be anyone's takeaway from the movie. 60 00:02:40,344 --> 00:02:41,944 Speaker 1: But I love it. No, I love that that. I 61 00:02:41,984 --> 00:02:44,784 Speaker 1: love that you relate to the mom I am. Everyone 62 00:02:44,864 --> 00:02:47,984 Speaker 1: else is like, maybe I'm a princess. Maybe Julie Andrews 63 00:02:47,984 --> 00:02:49,184 Speaker 1: will be my grandmother. 64 00:02:49,224 --> 00:02:51,344 Speaker 2: You know, I was the unhinged ARTI mum okay. 65 00:02:51,344 --> 00:02:53,464 Speaker 1: I mean she had a great house. So that's the 66 00:02:53,544 --> 00:02:57,104 Speaker 1: loft that's important. I feel. So the actual news story here, 67 00:02:57,144 --> 00:02:59,144 Speaker 1: apart from us just talking how much we love this movie, 68 00:02:59,184 --> 00:03:01,784 Speaker 1: is that Anne Hathaway actually officially broke the news herself 69 00:03:01,824 --> 00:03:04,624 Speaker 1: over the weekend, where she posted a screenshot of the 70 00:03:04,664 --> 00:03:07,544 Speaker 1: official announcement from Variety announcing the third film was in 71 00:03:07,584 --> 00:03:10,344 Speaker 1: the works, and also worked in some iconic lines from 72 00:03:10,424 --> 00:03:16,184 Speaker 1: the film A Princess Shut Up. She had talked about 73 00:03:16,224 --> 00:03:19,504 Speaker 1: before the fact that her production company was working on something, 74 00:03:19,544 --> 00:03:22,024 Speaker 1: but there was nothing to report. But now it's officially 75 00:03:22,024 --> 00:03:25,304 Speaker 1: going ahead. There's a production schedule, there's a script in 76 00:03:25,344 --> 00:03:28,144 Speaker 1: the works. And Adele Lim who wrote Crazy Rich Asians, 77 00:03:28,184 --> 00:03:30,024 Speaker 1: I think we can agree one of the best words 78 00:03:30,144 --> 00:03:32,824 Speaker 1: the last ten years at least, and who also directed 79 00:03:32,824 --> 00:03:35,184 Speaker 1: the movie joy Ride, is directing this movie. 80 00:03:35,344 --> 00:03:37,664 Speaker 2: So it might not be a flop if it's got 81 00:03:37,664 --> 00:03:38,344 Speaker 2: a good director. 82 00:03:38,544 --> 00:03:41,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got a great director, same producers as the 83 00:03:41,264 --> 00:03:43,624 Speaker 1: first movie, so kind of bringing that same vibe. The 84 00:03:43,664 --> 00:03:46,024 Speaker 1: only kind of wild card is that people are very 85 00:03:46,304 --> 00:03:49,624 Speaker 1: insistent on Chris Pine reprising his role from the second 86 00:03:49,624 --> 00:03:51,344 Speaker 1: movie of being her love interest, because you know it 87 00:03:51,424 --> 00:03:54,664 Speaker 1: ended with them together but not getting married, and so 88 00:03:54,704 --> 00:03:56,904 Speaker 1: people want the third movie because I haven't revealed any 89 00:03:56,904 --> 00:03:59,344 Speaker 1: plot points yet. People want the third movie to be 90 00:03:59,384 --> 00:04:02,264 Speaker 1: their wedding. And he has said previously that he would 91 00:04:02,264 --> 00:04:03,664 Speaker 1: do a third Princess. 92 00:04:04,464 --> 00:04:07,784 Speaker 3: Get a few kids involved, or maybe maybe she's actually 93 00:04:08,184 --> 00:04:11,544 Speaker 3: childless and focused on her career to be a plot twist. 94 00:04:11,224 --> 00:04:13,744 Speaker 1: Because it was quite interesting that the first movie ended 95 00:04:13,744 --> 00:04:15,664 Speaker 1: without a wedding. Spoiler alert from a movie that came 96 00:04:15,704 --> 00:04:18,544 Speaker 1: out like ten years ago, so more than that long yeah, 97 00:04:18,624 --> 00:04:20,704 Speaker 1: way longer than that. Well that's all we know so far, 98 00:04:20,744 --> 00:04:22,824 Speaker 1: but we'll keep you up to date with Princess Diary's 99 00:04:22,824 --> 00:04:24,544 Speaker 1: news as an unfold. 100 00:04:24,184 --> 00:04:29,384 Speaker 3: And please let it not be a musical. Kanye West 101 00:04:29,384 --> 00:04:33,304 Speaker 3: has reportedly split from his wife, bianquir Sen Sorry. TMZ 102 00:04:33,544 --> 00:04:36,344 Speaker 3: claims that the famous rapper and his silent wife have 103 00:04:36,424 --> 00:04:39,264 Speaker 3: been on the arts for quite some time and possibly 104 00:04:39,384 --> 00:04:42,424 Speaker 3: planned to file for divorce. While no direct statement has 105 00:04:42,464 --> 00:04:46,784 Speaker 3: been released, multiple sources with direct knowledge tell TMZ Yee 106 00:04:47,464 --> 00:04:50,864 Speaker 3: Easy Ye and Bianca have been telling people around them 107 00:04:50,904 --> 00:04:52,464 Speaker 3: that they split up a few weeks ago, with the 108 00:04:52,584 --> 00:04:55,704 Speaker 3: yeasy architect heading down to Australia to spend time with 109 00:04:55,904 --> 00:04:59,224 Speaker 3: her family. Since the split, the duo haven't been photographed 110 00:04:59,224 --> 00:05:01,744 Speaker 3: together for almost two months, but neither party is yet 111 00:05:01,744 --> 00:05:03,824 Speaker 3: to comment on the allegation and rumors. 112 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:06,304 Speaker 1: Yes, so, I'm seeing all of these stories around the 113 00:05:06,344 --> 00:05:07,984 Speaker 1: last couple of days, and it's hard to kind of 114 00:05:07,984 --> 00:05:09,944 Speaker 1: know what's happening, because it feels that they're not in 115 00:05:09,984 --> 00:05:13,584 Speaker 1: the business of sort of planting stories here or talking 116 00:05:13,584 --> 00:05:14,904 Speaker 1: to sources all that sort of thing. 117 00:05:15,024 --> 00:05:18,304 Speaker 2: And TMZ generally are kind of on the money. 118 00:05:18,544 --> 00:05:21,144 Speaker 1: Well they usually they have sources everywhere, you know, all 119 00:05:21,184 --> 00:05:24,344 Speaker 1: the different legal offices, hospitals, pr firms, all that sort 120 00:05:24,384 --> 00:05:26,624 Speaker 1: of stuff, so they usually do know. But usually I 121 00:05:26,624 --> 00:05:28,784 Speaker 1: feel like something like this with Kanye West, he would 122 00:05:28,824 --> 00:05:30,304 Speaker 1: be the one to put the news out there, although 123 00:05:30,304 --> 00:05:32,424 Speaker 1: he's been a lot quiet at the last couple of months. 124 00:05:32,744 --> 00:05:35,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, actually that is so true. Usually you would 125 00:05:35,704 --> 00:05:36,584 Speaker 2: just think that he would. 126 00:05:36,384 --> 00:05:39,744 Speaker 3: Go on like an unhinged rant online and just start 127 00:05:39,784 --> 00:05:41,064 Speaker 3: like posting weird stuff. 128 00:05:41,184 --> 00:05:42,624 Speaker 1: There have been a lot of rumors in the past 129 00:05:42,624 --> 00:05:44,984 Speaker 1: that they've been about to divorce, and that's never come 130 00:05:45,024 --> 00:05:47,424 Speaker 1: to fruition. So but I think what people are really 131 00:05:47,504 --> 00:05:50,384 Speaker 1: latching on too is that their relationship has been so 132 00:05:50,504 --> 00:05:53,504 Speaker 1: much of a spectacle ever since it came out that 133 00:05:53,544 --> 00:05:56,184 Speaker 1: they were together and this young Australian woman who had 134 00:05:56,584 --> 00:05:59,744 Speaker 1: gone over to work in his company had married him 135 00:05:59,784 --> 00:06:02,744 Speaker 1: shortly after him and Kim Kardashian had broken up, and 136 00:06:02,784 --> 00:06:04,944 Speaker 1: the biggest story around them is that we've never really 137 00:06:04,984 --> 00:06:07,184 Speaker 1: heard her speak, but we see her doing. 138 00:06:07,024 --> 00:06:10,024 Speaker 2: Weird out and about with him, not weird but public. 139 00:06:10,904 --> 00:06:13,144 Speaker 1: Yes, we see them out and about together, and she's 140 00:06:13,184 --> 00:06:17,264 Speaker 1: wearing very revealing clothing, statement clothing and things, yes, all 141 00:06:17,304 --> 00:06:18,904 Speaker 1: those sort of things. And there's been a lot of 142 00:06:18,904 --> 00:06:21,544 Speaker 1: headlines and backlash around that. And the stick of that 143 00:06:21,584 --> 00:06:25,464 Speaker 1: has always been that, unlike other women who get photographed 144 00:06:25,544 --> 00:06:28,184 Speaker 1: their outfits become stories, is that we don't hear from her, 145 00:06:28,264 --> 00:06:30,224 Speaker 1: so we don't know what her personality is, what her 146 00:06:30,304 --> 00:06:32,544 Speaker 1: side of the story is, if she's invested in this, 147 00:06:32,664 --> 00:06:34,664 Speaker 1: because she seems like to be just this very silent 148 00:06:34,664 --> 00:06:35,784 Speaker 1: participant in the whole thing. 149 00:06:36,104 --> 00:06:38,664 Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I don't think anyone would be surprised 150 00:06:38,664 --> 00:06:40,104 Speaker 3: if they broke up, including them. 151 00:06:40,384 --> 00:06:42,024 Speaker 1: I think what the cracks of this is is that 152 00:06:42,504 --> 00:06:45,304 Speaker 1: her version of events and her idea of like what 153 00:06:45,464 --> 00:06:48,504 Speaker 1: happened behind the scenes, and her take on this would 154 00:06:48,504 --> 00:06:50,864 Speaker 1: be kind of like the biggest story that people. 155 00:06:51,184 --> 00:06:54,704 Speaker 3: Imagine, Oh my goodness, imagine if we could get her 156 00:06:54,704 --> 00:06:55,184 Speaker 3: on the pod. 157 00:06:55,624 --> 00:06:58,624 Speaker 1: I mean, I would just love to know, because I 158 00:06:58,664 --> 00:07:00,664 Speaker 1: honestly have no idea. There's a lot of times when 159 00:07:00,704 --> 00:07:03,304 Speaker 1: these sort of celebrity stories unfold and you can piece 160 00:07:03,344 --> 00:07:05,744 Speaker 1: together different bits of information. 161 00:07:05,504 --> 00:07:07,824 Speaker 3: To hear from the horse's mouth when she has been 162 00:07:07,944 --> 00:07:12,024 Speaker 3: so silent through so many different con traverses and no 163 00:07:12,064 --> 00:07:14,784 Speaker 3: one even really knows what she sounds like when she speaks. 164 00:07:14,984 --> 00:07:17,944 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, but I do think that to make a mystery, well, 165 00:07:18,024 --> 00:07:19,864 Speaker 1: yeah exactly, And it's little I guess has kept her 166 00:07:19,904 --> 00:07:22,424 Speaker 1: almost protected in a way because there's been a few 167 00:07:22,424 --> 00:07:24,504 Speaker 1: instances where she and Kanye West have been out together 168 00:07:24,584 --> 00:07:27,464 Speaker 1: and paparazzi are chasing him or journalists are chasing him, 169 00:07:27,464 --> 00:07:30,144 Speaker 1: and he's yea ye, I know his official name is 170 00:07:30,224 --> 00:07:31,264 Speaker 1: y but we still call him Kanya. 171 00:07:31,264 --> 00:07:32,144 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, is it? 172 00:07:32,224 --> 00:07:33,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, he officially changed it. 173 00:07:33,904 --> 00:07:34,984 Speaker 2: He changed his name to Eye. 174 00:07:35,304 --> 00:07:37,744 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. That's why all the publications have that, because 175 00:07:37,744 --> 00:07:41,064 Speaker 1: that's his whole name. But no one would know Kanye West. 176 00:07:41,144 --> 00:07:41,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, no one. 177 00:07:41,824 --> 00:07:45,304 Speaker 3: If someone said, oh, Yee, I'd be like, yes, I'd 178 00:07:45,304 --> 00:07:48,504 Speaker 3: think that they were saying, like, yeah, I don't know, yeah. 179 00:07:48,144 --> 00:07:50,624 Speaker 1: That is his official name. But I think we've seen 180 00:07:50,664 --> 00:07:53,464 Speaker 1: him have these like outbursts with paparazzi and journalists before, 181 00:07:53,504 --> 00:07:55,784 Speaker 1: and you hear this kind of like all of his 182 00:07:55,904 --> 00:07:58,384 Speaker 1: thoughts and emotions and what he's thinking. But she's always 183 00:07:58,384 --> 00:08:00,704 Speaker 1: beside him so quiet, and I would love to tell 184 00:08:00,744 --> 00:08:02,224 Speaker 1: all from her, but I don't think it's going to 185 00:08:02,264 --> 00:08:04,864 Speaker 1: happen because it doesn't seem to be her style from 186 00:08:04,904 --> 00:08:05,264 Speaker 1: what we know. 187 00:08:05,464 --> 00:08:08,624 Speaker 2: She's probably also signed like a million and has. 188 00:08:08,544 --> 00:08:11,584 Speaker 1: So many NDAs and legal docums that she can't speak on, 189 00:08:12,024 --> 00:08:14,944 Speaker 1: and the power and balance behind the scenes is quite extreme, 190 00:08:14,984 --> 00:08:17,784 Speaker 1: like it's different with Kim Kardashian because she has her 191 00:08:17,824 --> 00:08:20,424 Speaker 1: own powerful empower in her own right. And the only 192 00:08:20,464 --> 00:08:22,864 Speaker 1: reason I think she hasn't spoken out more is because 193 00:08:22,944 --> 00:08:25,184 Speaker 1: of the kids that they share together. But then with 194 00:08:25,304 --> 00:08:27,624 Speaker 1: Julia Fox, like she and Kanie West were only together 195 00:08:27,664 --> 00:08:30,184 Speaker 1: for a brief amount of time, but she has since 196 00:08:30,344 --> 00:08:33,064 Speaker 1: their relationship ended, has shared a lot of different information, 197 00:08:33,704 --> 00:08:35,384 Speaker 1: and so I think that she was like one of 198 00:08:35,424 --> 00:08:37,704 Speaker 1: the few people in his life who didn't sign an NDA, 199 00:08:37,824 --> 00:08:40,584 Speaker 1: so she was able to say that he bought all 200 00:08:40,624 --> 00:08:42,944 Speaker 1: her friends' bags, but also films them in a weird 201 00:08:42,944 --> 00:08:45,064 Speaker 1: way and made them reenact over and over and made 202 00:08:45,104 --> 00:08:46,784 Speaker 1: them like film it over and over again to get 203 00:08:46,784 --> 00:08:51,184 Speaker 1: the reaction he wanted and was like very controlling behind na. Yeah, 204 00:08:51,224 --> 00:08:53,424 Speaker 1: exactly dressing her up, and the fact that they also 205 00:08:53,504 --> 00:08:55,544 Speaker 1: just never had sex or hooked up or anything like that, 206 00:08:55,904 --> 00:08:58,224 Speaker 1: so it was very much a show for the paparazzi 207 00:08:58,224 --> 00:09:00,744 Speaker 1: and for his image. But again, I think again, she 208 00:09:00,944 --> 00:09:03,904 Speaker 1: has her own kind of like space in the entertainment 209 00:09:03,944 --> 00:09:05,944 Speaker 1: industry and is like that's her kind of. 210 00:09:05,984 --> 00:09:09,384 Speaker 2: She has her own brand and own personality. 211 00:09:08,744 --> 00:09:11,304 Speaker 1: And has a certain amount of protection with Bianca. I 212 00:09:11,384 --> 00:09:13,144 Speaker 1: just don't know if we'll here if this actually does 213 00:09:13,184 --> 00:09:15,184 Speaker 1: happen in Divorce Goes story, if we'll hear her side 214 00:09:15,184 --> 00:09:15,624 Speaker 1: of the story. 215 00:09:15,744 --> 00:09:18,784 Speaker 3: I would love too, though, Like let's all stay tuned 216 00:09:18,824 --> 00:09:20,864 Speaker 3: because you never know. She might be a wild bit 217 00:09:20,904 --> 00:09:23,384 Speaker 3: of gear, loves to party, loves to have a bit 218 00:09:23,424 --> 00:09:26,664 Speaker 3: of a yap about They think she is Australian, Yeah, exactly, 219 00:09:26,784 --> 00:09:27,344 Speaker 3: So you never know. 220 00:09:30,464 --> 00:09:32,304 Speaker 2: The Sow's a joke. 221 00:09:33,744 --> 00:09:40,184 Speaker 1: Pack and everyone loves when he's done. Well. A movie 222 00:09:40,224 --> 00:09:42,144 Speaker 1: that we have been talking about for years here on 223 00:09:42,184 --> 00:09:44,624 Speaker 1: the Spill, since it was first announced it was going ahead, 224 00:09:44,784 --> 00:09:47,624 Speaker 1: is finally out in cinemas this week. Hopefully this is 225 00:09:47,624 --> 00:09:49,744 Speaker 1: the last time I have to say this movie because 226 00:09:49,744 --> 00:09:50,544 Speaker 1: people have been calling it. 227 00:09:50,664 --> 00:09:51,864 Speaker 2: Just call it The Joker too. 228 00:09:52,024 --> 00:09:54,144 Speaker 1: But it's not Joker too. It's Joker for. 229 00:09:55,784 --> 00:09:58,424 Speaker 2: People know what you're talking about, Joker too. 230 00:09:58,424 --> 00:10:00,384 Speaker 1: And that's the last time I'll attempt a French accent. 231 00:10:00,784 --> 00:10:02,984 Speaker 1: So when the original Joker first came out, there was 232 00:10:03,024 --> 00:10:05,784 Speaker 1: a bit of controversy around it of taking this very 233 00:10:05,824 --> 00:10:10,024 Speaker 1: classic DC villain and making it a more grounded, realistic story. 234 00:10:10,424 --> 00:10:11,584 Speaker 1: But it also became that. 235 00:10:11,664 --> 00:10:12,864 Speaker 2: Was the one with the big smile. 236 00:10:12,904 --> 00:10:16,824 Speaker 1: Heath led you, right, the original Joker movie. No, not 237 00:10:16,944 --> 00:10:18,704 Speaker 1: even a little bit. It was the one with work 238 00:10:18,704 --> 00:10:21,064 Speaker 1: in Phoenix and he went and he won an oscar 239 00:10:21,104 --> 00:10:21,464 Speaker 1: for it. 240 00:10:21,784 --> 00:10:23,704 Speaker 2: But he goes way so serious. 241 00:10:24,064 --> 00:10:26,704 Speaker 1: That's a different movie. That's a Joker. No, but there's 242 00:10:26,784 --> 00:10:29,184 Speaker 1: multiple Jokers. This is a completely different movie. It came 243 00:10:29,184 --> 00:10:31,824 Speaker 1: out a few years ago and it stars Working Phoenix 244 00:10:31,864 --> 00:10:35,544 Speaker 1: and there's no Batman, no DC villains, nothing like that. 245 00:10:35,624 --> 00:10:38,144 Speaker 2: Holy you've actually just blown my mind. 246 00:10:38,704 --> 00:10:40,224 Speaker 1: Actually couldn't tell if you were joking. 247 00:10:40,304 --> 00:10:42,624 Speaker 3: No, no, no, I genuinely I was like, they left 248 00:10:42,624 --> 00:10:44,344 Speaker 3: it so long between films. 249 00:10:44,624 --> 00:10:46,544 Speaker 1: No, So this is a different movie. So this movie 250 00:10:46,584 --> 00:10:49,864 Speaker 1: came out in twenty nineteen and it was Working Phoenix 251 00:10:49,904 --> 00:10:53,144 Speaker 1: playing Arthur Fleck, who does become the Joker, but it's 252 00:10:53,184 --> 00:10:56,904 Speaker 1: more of like there's no superheroes, no superpowers, nothing like that. 253 00:10:57,184 --> 00:11:00,744 Speaker 1: It's just a man who has pretty extreme mental health issues. 254 00:11:00,784 --> 00:11:02,544 Speaker 1: And it's kind of weird when you see him be 255 00:11:02,624 --> 00:11:05,624 Speaker 1: like pushed to the brink by society. How he kind 256 00:11:05,624 --> 00:11:08,344 Speaker 1: of lashes out and becomes a murder and becomes his character. 257 00:11:08,544 --> 00:11:10,664 Speaker 1: He's also a stand up comic and becomes this of 258 00:11:10,704 --> 00:11:13,064 Speaker 1: the joker. I'm really boiling that down to kind of 259 00:11:13,064 --> 00:11:13,544 Speaker 1: a very. 260 00:11:13,384 --> 00:11:15,224 Speaker 2: Series, really selling it to me though, I kind of 261 00:11:15,224 --> 00:11:16,144 Speaker 2: want to go home and watch it. 262 00:11:16,144 --> 00:11:17,784 Speaker 1: Well, it was a huge deal when it came out, 263 00:11:17,824 --> 00:11:19,904 Speaker 1: not for you apparently, but for everyone else, because he 264 00:11:20,024 --> 00:11:23,384 Speaker 1: became the highest grossing R rated film of all time 265 00:11:23,584 --> 00:11:25,744 Speaker 1: until Deadpool came out this year and overtook it. 266 00:11:26,024 --> 00:11:28,024 Speaker 2: I would have just thought it was like a Marvel. Oh, 267 00:11:28,184 --> 00:11:29,104 Speaker 2: one of those movies and. 268 00:11:30,464 --> 00:11:32,584 Speaker 1: Not one of those DC Marvel. Two different things we 269 00:11:32,584 --> 00:11:36,664 Speaker 1: were giving. But there was a lot of controversy here 270 00:11:36,704 --> 00:11:38,624 Speaker 1: at the time because there was a lot of critical 271 00:11:38,624 --> 00:11:41,504 Speaker 1: acclaim instead of these box office records. People loved it, 272 00:11:41,664 --> 00:11:44,504 Speaker 1: but there's also this idea that it was glamorizing violence 273 00:11:44,584 --> 00:11:46,384 Speaker 1: and kind of like mail ego and all that sort 274 00:11:46,424 --> 00:11:47,144 Speaker 1: of stuff. 275 00:11:46,864 --> 00:11:49,304 Speaker 2: And it's about health, wasn't it Well? 276 00:11:49,384 --> 00:11:52,264 Speaker 1: Yes, but also there was a conversation about like it 277 00:11:52,384 --> 00:11:54,464 Speaker 1: was more nuanced conversation than this this idea of like 278 00:11:54,504 --> 00:11:56,144 Speaker 1: saying like if you push men too far, this is 279 00:11:56,144 --> 00:11:57,904 Speaker 1: what they can do, and all that sort of stuff. 280 00:11:57,904 --> 00:11:59,784 Speaker 1: And there's some violence against women. There's a lot of 281 00:11:59,824 --> 00:12:02,584 Speaker 1: different players to it, and some people didn't like it, 282 00:12:02,784 --> 00:12:06,064 Speaker 1: but Waquin Phoenix did win a Best Actor Oscar for it, 283 00:12:06,464 --> 00:12:09,344 Speaker 1: and so when it was announced they were making a sequel, 284 00:12:09,464 --> 00:12:12,184 Speaker 1: it kind of seemed like a no brainer. That's the 285 00:12:12,264 --> 00:12:16,144 Speaker 1: interesting thing about this movie is that on paper, everything's right, 286 00:12:16,584 --> 00:12:19,304 Speaker 1: like everything should work. You have this movie come out, 287 00:12:19,344 --> 00:12:22,384 Speaker 1: it's a critical success, everyone loves it. It feels like 288 00:12:22,384 --> 00:12:25,784 Speaker 1: there's enough story there for another movie. Wack In Phoenix 289 00:12:25,784 --> 00:12:27,784 Speaker 1: won an Oscar for it. Everyone agreed that it was 290 00:12:27,824 --> 00:12:30,544 Speaker 1: his greatest role ever and the acting was incredible. And 291 00:12:30,584 --> 00:12:33,264 Speaker 1: then you bring in Lady Gaga, who has also been 292 00:12:33,264 --> 00:12:35,264 Speaker 1: nominated for an Oscar and is trying to sort of 293 00:12:35,304 --> 00:12:37,184 Speaker 1: find her traction with acting. 294 00:12:37,304 --> 00:12:41,184 Speaker 2: I think she's incredible. All I've seen about this film 295 00:12:41,424 --> 00:12:42,264 Speaker 2: is funny memes. 296 00:12:42,664 --> 00:12:44,704 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, which is interesting because it's not really a 297 00:12:44,704 --> 00:12:45,264 Speaker 1: funny movie. 298 00:12:45,264 --> 00:12:46,864 Speaker 2: No no, but people making fun. 299 00:12:46,904 --> 00:12:49,984 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly, because the backlash has been pretty extreme. 300 00:12:50,064 --> 00:12:52,584 Speaker 1: So it's done quite badly at the box office. The 301 00:12:52,664 --> 00:12:55,184 Speaker 1: reviews are terrible, and they were terrible from the moment 302 00:12:55,224 --> 00:12:57,304 Speaker 1: it started coming out at film festivals. But I went 303 00:12:57,384 --> 00:12:59,104 Speaker 1: with a clear mind to sort of of course have 304 00:12:59,224 --> 00:13:01,584 Speaker 1: my own thoughts on it. So wack in Phoenix's back 305 00:13:01,584 --> 00:13:04,184 Speaker 1: as Arthur, and it picks up a few years after 306 00:13:04,224 --> 00:13:05,984 Speaker 1: the events of the first movie. He's been in prison 307 00:13:06,024 --> 00:13:08,064 Speaker 1: for a long time and his lawyer is trying to 308 00:13:08,104 --> 00:13:12,104 Speaker 1: prove that he has mental health condition where he like 309 00:13:12,344 --> 00:13:14,664 Speaker 1: he has a secondary personality pretty much, and he becomes 310 00:13:14,704 --> 00:13:18,224 Speaker 1: the Jacker and he meets Lady Gaga, who's playing Harley Quinn, 311 00:13:18,264 --> 00:13:20,744 Speaker 1: but they mostly call her Lee in the prison slush 312 00:13:20,824 --> 00:13:21,784 Speaker 1: mental health facility. 313 00:13:21,824 --> 00:13:25,424 Speaker 2: That is that in the same character that Margot Robbie played. 314 00:13:25,224 --> 00:13:29,384 Speaker 1: Yes, but a very different version of the character. This 315 00:13:29,584 --> 00:13:32,224 Speaker 1: dclash Marvel World. And I think also it was hard 316 00:13:32,224 --> 00:13:35,464 Speaker 1: because Margo Robbie really made that character her great in 317 00:13:35,544 --> 00:13:37,984 Speaker 1: those Suicide Squad movies, and she was great. 318 00:13:38,064 --> 00:13:39,584 Speaker 2: I've never seen them. 319 00:13:39,504 --> 00:13:41,184 Speaker 1: Oh well, but you think she looked great. 320 00:13:41,024 --> 00:13:42,864 Speaker 2: And that's the I really liked her costumes. 321 00:13:42,984 --> 00:13:44,904 Speaker 1: Yes, well, I can say she was great in those 322 00:13:44,944 --> 00:13:47,664 Speaker 1: movies and both Suicide Squad movies, and she also did 323 00:13:47,824 --> 00:13:51,344 Speaker 1: the Harley Quinn spinoff movie, which was amazing, and so 324 00:13:51,544 --> 00:13:53,344 Speaker 1: there was a lot against Lady Gaga, but I think 325 00:13:53,384 --> 00:13:55,744 Speaker 1: she does bring something interesting to the role. So they meet, 326 00:13:55,824 --> 00:13:59,784 Speaker 1: they kind of have this very intense relationship. She's trying 327 00:13:59,784 --> 00:14:01,584 Speaker 1: to get him out of prison. He's trying to prove 328 00:14:01,704 --> 00:14:05,744 Speaker 1: himself in court that he's innocent and dispersed. In amongst 329 00:14:05,824 --> 00:14:08,944 Speaker 1: all the darkness and the violence of this movie are 330 00:14:08,984 --> 00:14:13,304 Speaker 1: some musical moments. So just bang our old school musical moments. 331 00:14:12,824 --> 00:14:14,944 Speaker 3: Like in a fun way, like because like I'm not 332 00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:18,264 Speaker 3: a musical fan, but if it's fun and well done. 333 00:14:17,904 --> 00:14:19,824 Speaker 1: You no. I know how much you loved Angeliet, but 334 00:14:19,944 --> 00:14:21,944 Speaker 1: this is not that kind of vibe. So they have 335 00:14:22,064 --> 00:14:24,344 Speaker 1: these moments where they are singing to each other in 336 00:14:24,384 --> 00:14:26,824 Speaker 1: real life, but then they kind of go into these 337 00:14:26,864 --> 00:14:30,304 Speaker 1: fantasy sequences. Oh no, And I mean those were some 338 00:14:30,344 --> 00:14:32,824 Speaker 1: of the greatest moments from the movie. So it's like, 339 00:14:32,824 --> 00:14:34,504 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're in this dreary prison and 340 00:14:34,504 --> 00:14:37,664 Speaker 1: there's violence and upset and it's all very dark and 341 00:14:38,024 --> 00:14:39,704 Speaker 1: very kind of difficult to watch, and then all of 342 00:14:39,744 --> 00:14:43,024 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're in this old school, big musical kind 343 00:14:43,024 --> 00:14:46,104 Speaker 1: of thing where they're like Lady gagas and flares and makeup, 344 00:14:46,184 --> 00:14:49,384 Speaker 1: or they're dancing, or they're having these big musical moments, 345 00:14:49,424 --> 00:14:50,784 Speaker 1: but it's like a fantasy sequence. 346 00:14:50,824 --> 00:14:54,104 Speaker 3: Do you think the logic was Lady Gaga has one 347 00:14:54,144 --> 00:14:57,144 Speaker 3: of the most incredible voices, let's just intertwine some music. 348 00:14:57,264 --> 00:14:58,624 Speaker 1: I think what it is is that they wanted to 349 00:14:58,664 --> 00:15:01,984 Speaker 1: sort of show that we're seeing this very serious eide 350 00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:03,664 Speaker 1: of their story, but in their minds they're having this 351 00:15:03,784 --> 00:15:07,224 Speaker 1: very epic romance and they do that through song. And 352 00:15:07,224 --> 00:15:10,344 Speaker 1: the thing is, I really I appreciate the effort. I really, 353 00:15:10,544 --> 00:15:12,624 Speaker 1: I don't say that lightly. I appreciate the idea of 354 00:15:12,704 --> 00:15:15,504 Speaker 1: taking a big swing and like going with an idea 355 00:15:15,544 --> 00:15:18,424 Speaker 1: that could be a bit dangerous. But I think what 356 00:15:18,904 --> 00:15:21,104 Speaker 1: Baby didn't work as much is that they haven't really 357 00:15:21,144 --> 00:15:24,504 Speaker 1: committed to it. That they have these little musical moments 358 00:15:24,824 --> 00:15:27,384 Speaker 1: sprinkled through, and then it's like they kind of get 359 00:15:27,424 --> 00:15:29,584 Speaker 1: nervous about how off the rails the movie could go 360 00:15:29,624 --> 00:15:31,624 Speaker 1: in that direction, so they pull it back. It's kind 361 00:15:31,624 --> 00:15:33,944 Speaker 1: of like whiplash going back and forth between these two 362 00:15:33,944 --> 00:15:35,224 Speaker 1: different forms of storytelling. 363 00:15:35,464 --> 00:15:38,944 Speaker 3: Okay, do you remember does it remind you of did 364 00:15:39,024 --> 00:15:42,864 Speaker 3: you ever watch Gray's Anatomy? Yes, the infamous car accident 365 00:15:42,984 --> 00:15:44,864 Speaker 3: episode that they turn into a song. 366 00:15:44,904 --> 00:15:46,264 Speaker 2: That's what is playing in my mind. 367 00:15:46,304 --> 00:15:47,264 Speaker 1: Did you like that episode? 368 00:15:47,424 --> 00:15:50,344 Speaker 2: Nod it? Oh my god, I love it. 369 00:15:50,424 --> 00:15:54,144 Speaker 1: I listened to that soundtrack the time it was It's 370 00:15:54,224 --> 00:15:56,504 Speaker 1: very jarring to start off with awful. You have to 371 00:15:56,544 --> 00:15:59,184 Speaker 1: watch it like six times. It really gets into your head. 372 00:15:59,304 --> 00:16:01,304 Speaker 3: I don't know who thought it was a good idea, 373 00:16:01,344 --> 00:16:02,944 Speaker 3: but they just thought, you know what, some of the 374 00:16:02,984 --> 00:16:05,904 Speaker 3: actors can kind of sing. Let's just like make one 375 00:16:05,944 --> 00:16:09,264 Speaker 3: episode a musical episode. Yeah, that's what I feel like 376 00:16:09,304 --> 00:16:11,344 Speaker 3: they've sort of done with this. 377 00:16:11,984 --> 00:16:13,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard because I think the idea for like 378 00:16:13,944 --> 00:16:16,824 Speaker 1: Grey's Anatomy and shows like Buffy the Vampire Slagher doing 379 00:16:16,904 --> 00:16:20,144 Speaker 1: musical episodes is that the idea is strange. Yes, but 380 00:16:20,184 --> 00:16:22,744 Speaker 1: the idea is that the characters are always so heightened. 381 00:16:22,824 --> 00:16:24,824 Speaker 1: It's like that moment in a musical where it's like 382 00:16:24,864 --> 00:16:28,024 Speaker 1: they could burst into song and so but again also 383 00:16:28,024 --> 00:16:30,224 Speaker 1: wanting to take like a big swing and try something different. 384 00:16:30,264 --> 00:16:32,024 Speaker 1: So even though I know that the musical episode and 385 00:16:32,064 --> 00:16:33,584 Speaker 1: Grey's Anatomy didn't really. 386 00:16:33,384 --> 00:16:35,344 Speaker 2: List stating people's minds. 387 00:16:35,384 --> 00:16:37,064 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly, it's like you got it. Especially when 388 00:16:37,104 --> 00:16:38,464 Speaker 1: you're on the air for twenty years, you've got to 389 00:16:38,464 --> 00:16:40,824 Speaker 1: take a big swing. And I think with this Joker 390 00:16:40,864 --> 00:16:42,584 Speaker 1: movie too, it's like they made this movie the first 391 00:16:42,624 --> 00:16:44,664 Speaker 1: time that it's seen by many people as a perfect 392 00:16:44,664 --> 00:16:46,744 Speaker 1: movie and the ending of a story and stuff. So 393 00:16:46,784 --> 00:16:49,264 Speaker 1: if you're going to go back again to the same idea, 394 00:16:49,784 --> 00:16:52,024 Speaker 1: you have to bring something different to the table. So 395 00:16:52,064 --> 00:16:54,264 Speaker 1: I kind of get it. But the biggest sin of 396 00:16:54,264 --> 00:16:55,744 Speaker 1: this movie, I've got to say, is not that it's 397 00:16:55,744 --> 00:16:58,584 Speaker 1: got musical moments, not that it's violent. It's just that 398 00:16:58,744 --> 00:17:01,344 Speaker 1: it's actually just a bit boring. Okay, so that was 399 00:17:01,384 --> 00:17:05,264 Speaker 1: my biggest thin. My next question was did you like it? Like, 400 00:17:05,344 --> 00:17:10,064 Speaker 1: would you recommend people going, say, God, it's hard, because if. 401 00:17:09,584 --> 00:17:11,864 Speaker 2: The cell is, but it's boring, probably not. 402 00:17:12,304 --> 00:17:14,264 Speaker 1: It just needed a really tight edit. And I say 403 00:17:14,264 --> 00:17:16,424 Speaker 1: that as someone who needs a tight edit across all 404 00:17:16,464 --> 00:17:18,384 Speaker 1: her work, Like I'm really bad at coming down my 405 00:17:18,424 --> 00:17:21,104 Speaker 1: podcast and my writing, So I understand what it feels 406 00:17:21,144 --> 00:17:22,784 Speaker 1: like is that they've got a bunch of people together 407 00:17:23,024 --> 00:17:25,704 Speaker 1: and everyone had heaps of ideas that didn't kind of 408 00:17:25,784 --> 00:17:28,304 Speaker 1: gel together, and they said, yes, let's do all of them. 409 00:17:28,304 --> 00:17:31,624 Speaker 2: And then anything well, and the really good point. 410 00:17:31,504 --> 00:17:33,504 Speaker 1: Doesn't just it just doesn't land. I think, so I 411 00:17:33,544 --> 00:17:36,144 Speaker 1: wouldn't they don't see it like it's definitely it's an 412 00:17:36,144 --> 00:17:38,904 Speaker 1: interesting take. It's an interesting form of filmmaking. And I 413 00:17:38,944 --> 00:17:40,904 Speaker 1: think like some sources behind the scenes have said, like 414 00:17:40,904 --> 00:17:43,384 Speaker 1: who is this movie for, and people said it's for 415 00:17:43,544 --> 00:17:47,184 Speaker 1: Waquin Phoenix, like this is his vision and his show piece, 416 00:17:47,664 --> 00:17:50,864 Speaker 1: and so people if you should just act, well, yeah, exactly. 417 00:17:50,944 --> 00:17:53,944 Speaker 1: But the thing is, like it looks amazing. The performances 418 00:17:53,944 --> 00:17:57,224 Speaker 1: from both Joaquin and Lady Gaga are incredible. It just 419 00:17:57,344 --> 00:17:58,224 Speaker 1: it just doesn't land. 420 00:17:58,384 --> 00:17:59,624 Speaker 2: So I'm going to sum that up. 421 00:17:59,664 --> 00:18:03,224 Speaker 3: There, see it but when it comes out on TV 422 00:18:03,424 --> 00:18:05,504 Speaker 3: and you can kind of like do a puzzle. 423 00:18:05,264 --> 00:18:07,064 Speaker 1: Or cook at the same time, potentially, yes, that's a 424 00:18:07,064 --> 00:18:08,784 Speaker 1: great way to look at it. Well, thank you so 425 00:18:08,864 --> 00:18:10,984 Speaker 1: much for listening to this bill today, And if you're 426 00:18:11,024 --> 00:18:14,024 Speaker 1: looking for even more recommendations of what to watch, you 427 00:18:14,064 --> 00:18:16,984 Speaker 1: should check out our episode from this week, the most 428 00:18:17,144 --> 00:18:19,784 Speaker 1: Underrated Movies of twenty twenty four. Because we know there 429 00:18:19,784 --> 00:18:22,624 Speaker 1: are so many movies coming out the moment, it's hard 430 00:18:22,624 --> 00:18:24,904 Speaker 1: to keep track. Emily and I went through our favorite 431 00:18:24,944 --> 00:18:27,624 Speaker 1: movies from this year that we know enough people haven't seen, 432 00:18:27,664 --> 00:18:29,864 Speaker 1: and exactly where to watch them. So check that out 433 00:18:29,864 --> 00:18:32,224 Speaker 1: in your spill feed and we'll see you back here 434 00:18:32,264 --> 00:18:39,424 Speaker 1: at three pm tomorrow. Bye bye Lan